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Kiev-2017-th: I do not need to protect from Russia

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Kiev 2017 is very unlike Kiev 2014. Let the people in it remain the same, but they are already completely different people. Yes, this is not shown on TV yet, but sometimes in conversations of “patriots” the truth comes out. Reading their current correspondence, we understand how much everything has changed in just three years.

"I do not need to protect." That is exactly what the driver of a fixed-route taxi in Kiev told the “hero” of the ATO. This episode occurred in one of Kiev minibuses 11 November 2017 of the year. A man entered the salon and presented a crust of a III group war invalid. Since this all started.



Driver I refuse provide preferential place in the route and demanded payment. Here you need to make a small digression. Formally, the driver was wrong. By law, any war invalid is entitled to free travel. But as they say, she found a scythe on a stone. Actually the details of this stories absolutely uninteresting. It is interesting here another. The scene was witnessed by a former Ukrainian TV anchorman, and now a reporter for the Ukraina TV channel, Vladimir Timofeychuk.

Kiev-2017-th: I do not need to protect from Russia


It was his Facebook post that raised the wave of information. But I consider the most interesting thing in it is not the message itself, which has already become common in Ukraine, but the comment that the author of the page gave in response to the comment of one odious ex-journalist of Ukraine Konstantin Lokhvitsky.



The same one who, working without a year on the Zik TV channel, during the “Procession of the Unbeaten” in the summer of the current year broke loose and began to press the alleged provocateur who carried a poster in support of Petro Poroshenko.

Lokhvitsky writes: “Vova is well done. I usually go to the final and beat the "face". And after that I call the owner of a minibus. Happened, and he got it. But there is something else worse. People..."

Timofeychuk, he answers: “Everyone was silent, like mice. I would not be surprised if I also took the side of the minibus. This is what we usually do. ”

Already I will not find fault with the "patriots" on the language issue, we are not in the Kiev supermarket. Here it’s important not what language they speak, but what they said. And to lie to them, as we understand, in this case there is no point. It can be seen that the situation for them is like a knife in the heart.

The problem is really not in the so-called caste of drivers, which veterans have been fighting for over two years now. They are just the "patriots" have learned to intimidate. The point is people in Ukraine. The population is no longer just indifferently looking at the disassemblies of "veterans" and route makers, but, according to Vladimir Timofeychuk, more and more often takes the side of the latter. Because these so-called "heroes of the ATO" have already got everyone.

What did they bring in Ukraine? Fear, lawlessness, hopelessness.



These same veterans today are engaged in racketeering, undermine themselves and other grenades, arrange bloody squabbles on the streets, and most importantly, they have no justice. It was they who became the untouchables caste, and it was this untouchability that most of all turns ordinary Ukrainians against them.

The fact that this is exactly what will happen is what we talked about back in 2014. And soon there will be more. After 5-10 years, and maybe even before, you will not only burn your crusts, but also pray to God that no one will ever remember that you once served in the ATO. Because it will be beaten for it, and it is very painful.

“Heroes”, I am even ready to believe that many of you are sincere people in your own way, not such “patriots” as members of the organized criminal group “Aydar”, “Tornado” or “Donbass” and their ilk. But, hiding behind you, Ukraine has been the fourth year of the genocide of its own people. And I personally deeply care whether you know it or not. I really hope you do not know. Because if you know, then you are the real cowards and scoundrels.

It is cowards who are not able to admit their mistakes. It is the cowards who are not ready to correct them. And only cowards can show their strength and fearlessness to defenseless people.

And only scoundrels can continue to impose on the people of Ukraine all the abominations that have occurred on its territory in the past four years.

Yes, they are still afraid of you, but they hate you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 November 2017 12: 11 New
    +3
    they’re still afraid of you, but they really hate you

    But popular hatred is a serious thing. Perhaps they begin to hate it, but so far quietly, to themselves.
    1. horhe48
      horhe48 20 November 2017 13: 09 New
      +9
      Here's what I thought: From these strokes and dashes, a slightly different picture begins to emerge. But Ukrainian society is heterogeneous and multidirectional. And while the resulting vector of all these trends is still anti-Russian, therefore, now and in the future we do not need to get deep into domestic affairs, and even more so, to provide them with any help. It will seem to them all the same that they gave little and not so, and not there, as they think, should have been. To convince them that “Muscovites” are not to blame for everything, and Putin can only have time and real life hardships. Here let the “lads” themselves drag each other by the forelocks and themselves deal with their “heroes, peremogy and zrada.”
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 November 2017 15: 08 New
        +5
        So I didn’t understand what people became different from? What were they and how they remained. Some stuck their tongues in one place, others infinite.
      2. gm9019
        gm9019 20 November 2017 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: horhe48
        And while the resulting vector of all these trends still has an anti-Russian orientation.

        Exactly: you can’t look at what kind of poll on the street, even at the same Sharia, people are happy, but they hate us and blame us only for all their troubles. There is nothing to talk about youth at all - the brainwashed are white-washed, they are considered enemies. fool
    2. shark
      shark 20 November 2017 18: 31 New
      +3
      The author gave out wishful thinking. With the level of reformatting of consciousness that takes place in Ukraine, the occurrence of such situations in 5-8 years is very unlikely. Without good "external" cages, no one will rock the boat. Another thing is if some kind and bright country liberate them from the Bender-fascist government. Then yes, they rush to knock and inform, pushing with their elbows. For such a breed, they say that human beings. But something I doubt.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 27 November 2017 16: 18 New
        0
        “Well then, yeah, they rush to knock and inform, pushing with their elbows. For the breed is such ...” But we need such ... Therefore, only the Crimea, even the population of LDNR was not ready. They hoped to stay inside Ukraine, and reached out to Russia when they began to destroy them, although they said that they were citizens, only with their own opinion. I don’t think that it is necessary, at the earliest opportunity, to add LDNR and Novorossia to the Russian Federation ... They themselves have to figure out themselves so that for what they say: "fat to the heroes," it becomes a sentence to zvizdyul.
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 28 November 2017 21: 42 New
          0
          You obviously do not understand the question. This is even offensive. Of course you do not deign to apologize for such arrogant slander.

          I'll start from the Crimea.
          Crimea was Russian all the time. This is easy to understand, it was necessary to go there at least once. Flags of the Russian Federation on holidays were regular. Ships often met Russian flags.
          The conversation that the Russian Crimea on the Internet was always before the Maidan.
          In Crimea, they did not agree that the peninsula departed from the Russian Federation to Ukraine.
          And for 24 years, Ukraine could not attract Crimeans by anything, so that there was a desire to stay as it is.
          The conclusion is obvious.

          I will continue about the DPR, LPR and, in general, the east of Ukraine.
          In eastern Ukraine, until now, people consider themselves Russian. Who came to Ukraine and had to put up with it. Since that's how it happened already. None of the adequate wanted anarchy and chaos.
          And of course, when the east scrolled around its axis with its own opinion. They took it bluntly, changed the power to what Western Ukraine needs (well, we will simplify the world a bit now), then the East wanted to secede and, if possible, return to the Russian Federation. Since everyone understands that no one will survive on their own. Here either Ukraine, which spins on the axis, or to the Russian Federation, where it may not be paradise, but still there are more freedoms and opportunities.
          I do not understand what is the fault of the East? What did not start the war before it started?
          How were we supposed to reach out to you? What kind of slander?

          And I will end up doubting your apologies, because I will not hear them. And most likely, continue to slander further.
    3. pacific
      pacific 20 November 2017 23: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But popular hatred is a serious thing. Perhaps they begin to hate it, but so far quietly, to themselves.

      Hated before, but quietly and to myself. They were afraid. After what happened in May 2014 in Odessa and Mariupol.
      Now people are tired of being afraid.
      1. ihappy
        ihappy 28 November 2017 21: 43 New
        0
        There is not only fear.
        Just people are demoralized.
        But yes, slowly people come to their senses.
  2. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 20 November 2017 12: 15 New
    0
    Does he want to distort? Let the toilet until the end of his dog life juggles without hope of reproduction!
  3. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 20 November 2017 12: 20 New
    +9
    Kiev of 2017 is very unlike Kiev of 2014. Let the people in him remain the same, but these are completely different people.

    Yes, it’s clear that they have already stopped dreaming about lace shorts! fool As the poet wrote: "Life will put everything in its place. God will reward everyone for their merits." yes
  4. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 20 November 2017 12: 43 New
    +9
    You are strange people, say: “you are executing criminal orders, you are killing your people”, and what choice is left for these guys, who were taken to the RVK-Commission-ATO at 18-20. Talking loudly that they themselves understood, etc.- yes, this is nonsense, at 18 in the boys’s minds, girls, online games, earnings, housing, alcohol. At best, every 10th has money for otmaz. Remember Chechnya 95, those conscripts who didn’t need it, how the state then threw them onto a street that nobody needed. It’s the same there now. Yes, there are creatures. They are everywhere. I do not whitewash the APU, but also do not demonize. The guy had the right to travel, he returned alive and it was not his fault that he was in the position of you or you. There is a separate claim to the driver. And people, this is not a people, and not even a crowd, it is a collective unconscious and the Russians are not very different from Ukrainians in this capacity, the logic of the crowd works here - one yells, the others give in (I'm talking about the minibus). I hope no one is hooked, my opinion; please respect.
    1. raw174
      raw174 20 November 2017 13: 52 New
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      Quote: Dobriy_Chelovek
      my opinion; please respect.

      There is still no Echo, for the opinion they do not stammer and do not brand)))
      Quote: Dobriy_Chelovek
      Remember Chechnya 95, those conscripts who didn’t need it, how the state then threw them onto a street that nobody needed. It’s the same there now.

      No, not the same ... the war itself is different, its idea is different. In Chechnya, nevertheless, the nationalist message came from the separatists, It’s Ichkeria’s supporters who went to the cities with terrorist attacks ... In Russia there was and is no disrespectful attitude towards veterans of Afghanistan, Chechnya and other local conflicts, on the part of citizens, although the state often threw them at Ukraine, on the contrary, seems to be the opposite (as can be seen from similar articles). The result is similar. In the 90s, too, many veterans went to organized crime groups and other crime, but the people always respected the veteran.
      Quote: Dobriy_Chelovek
      And people, this is not a people, and not even a crowd, it is a collective unconscious and the Russians are not very different from Ukrainians in this capacity, the logic of the crowd works here - one yells, the others give in (I'm talking about the minibus).

      I agree, we have the same ...
      Quote: Dobriy_Chelovek
      You are strange people, say: “you are executing criminal orders, you are killing your people”, and what choice is left for these guys, who were taken to the RVK-Commission-ATO at 18-20. Talking loudly that they themselves understood, etc.- yes, this is nonsense, at 18 in the boys’s minds, girls, online games, earnings, housing, alcohol.

      It was rather propaganda that worked, these guys were brought up on new ideals, by and large, they are victims of politicians, but they also have to answer.
    2. stas-xnumx
      stas-xnumx 20 November 2017 14: 51 New
      +8
      Your opinion is respected, but I do not agree that in Germany, at the age of 33, the same boys of 18-year-old Goebels were so fooled that they burned half the world in furnaces, etc.
  5. Scud
    Scud 20 November 2017 13: 40 New
    +9
    Good man!
    On the one hand, yes, everything is known by comparison. But, it’s a stretch to compare the events in Chechnya and the maydonuty, not just the head of the Russophobian-fascist country. Today, unlike the 90s, they can visually see the draftees having Internet access the delights of the war in Donbas, and if they go to war, albeit with reluctance, then they can hold a flag or a wreath in their hands.
    In dill, there is a total zombie of all that is possible, as a result, even those who have grown

    and brought up in Soviet times, many of them are just stupid. loe.
    1. turbris
      turbris 21 November 2017 16: 45 New
      +2
      Sometimes they go to the ATO and are not zombie, but those who clearly want to earn dough, but so as not to be killed, or maybe stole a couple of refrigerators from the gray zone.
  6. BAI
    BAI 20 November 2017 13: 51 New
    +4
    And soon there will be more. In 5-10 years, and maybe even earlier, you will not only burn your crusts, but also will pray to God that no one will ever remember that you once served in the ATO

    So the base of the owners of these crusts was leaked to the Internet. We did everything on purpose with these certificates: first registered, and then published.
  7. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 20 November 2017 14: 51 New
    +8
    During the time when the tires on the damned Maidan were burning, the explosive packets exploded, the first shooting started and in general everything was buzzing and burning, the people of Kiev were quietly eating 100 meters in the Mafia restaurant, looking at all this from the windows of the restaurant, a little covered with shields from chipboard. The institution offered discounts and a feeder to the "revolutionaries", apparently afraid of inciting the anger of the crowd. And half a kilometer from the revolution, in the sleeping areas, they didn’t feel the boom of the “revolution of guildness” except chewing a sandwich in front of the television screen. from apartments for patly for housing and communal services debts.
    1. turbris
      turbris 21 November 2017 16: 48 New
      +1
      And this is the typical behavior of "progressive" youth, they shouted with speeches on the Maidan, and as it got hot, they quickly gave way to the completely maidan and went to a restaurant to discuss how cool they were.
  8. Semenov
    Semenov 20 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +1
    For me, the driver of profitability is necessary, in the 90s and private owners from the military took a scandal from us, which was against the law, then settled down ...
  9. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 20 November 2017 15: 13 New
    +1
    They became the untouchable caste


    The author would need to know who constitutes the untouchable caste so that he no longer uses this expression out of place.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 20 November 2017 23: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
      They became the untouchable caste


      The author would need to know who constitutes the untouchable caste so that he no longer uses this expression out of place.

      At 100% I agree with you. This article is not analytics at all, it is emotions. Those. it was necessary to put it in the "opinion" section.
  10. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 20 November 2017 15: 27 New
    +3
    That cowards are not able to admit their mistakes

    The author ... When you send a bullet to someone, you are not just making a mistake, if that is a mistake. By the way, this is exactly what the hoplophobes do not want to understand. By shooting, you make a choice. Make full use of your right to freedom, but freedom is when you make decisions and are responsible for them.
    So the "heroes of the ATO" act instinctively (their brains are not visible), but in their own way is absolutely correct. They will have to answer for the perfect. And it’s very hard to answer. But they do not want to! They then fight for such freedom, in which they do what they want, and they are always responsible for the consequences! They are fighting for democracy, for the European choice, for the Western World.
    Not really understanding that the West has gnawed this world from the guts of mankind for centuries. And they will have to kill, rape, burn for centuries in order to get closer to the same Anglo-Saxons in terms of "standard of living". Yes, and the Anglo-Saxons laid the battlefields always the weakest ... but where are the weakest ATOs? You can make fun of the installation, but the zoo from the inhabitants of Lugansk, as the Belgians and blacks did not so long ago, cannot be built. If you try something like this, then no Moscow can hold people back ...
    In general, these "veterans" will fight. To death. They just have nowhere to retreat.
  11. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 20 November 2017 15: 33 New
    +7
    Quote: 210ox
    So I didn’t understand what people became different from? What were they and how they remained. Some stuck their tongues in one place, others infinite.

    That's right! People from the very beginning were against the pro-American regime. And they hoped for help from Russia. Crimea, Donbass gave hope. But this hope was quickly torn up in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, Odessa, Kiev, and many other places, with the help of the US special services. and whom they drove under the baseboard. And they cannot do anything without the help of Russia, do not hope. There have not been such cases in the world yet. There is no ideological support for the uprising. I speak with Kiev every week. People die quietly, along with hopes.
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 20 November 2017 16: 21 New
    +2
    you can argue before the atonement, if we assume that the people are worthy of the power that they choose, and if they chose the wrong power, then this is not even the people ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 November 2017 18: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Volka
      . the people deserve the power that they choose, and if they choose the wrong power, then this is not the people even ...

      Yes, there are no choices! The electoral field is tightly controlled by the current government. There are no random ones. You will choose from those who will be given. Putin ... or Ksyusha Sobchak.
      1. polpot
        polpot 20 November 2017 20: 14 New
        0
        The fellow members chose Trump and that the system ate and did not choke, the modern world is that.
      2. turbris
        turbris 23 November 2017 13: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Yes, there are no choices! The electoral field is tightly controlled by the current government. There are no random ones.

        Well, again, you got your barrel organ about the elections, aren't you tired? If there are no elections, why are deputies so frantically fighting for votes? We have elections and no worse than in "civilized" countries, this is recognized even by the West, and you still can not believe it. And who is nominated as a presidential candidate - this you can do if you have babosy or supportive people. Enough to drool over this topic, the second Swamp still will not work.
    2. BMP-2
      BMP-2 23 November 2017 00: 41 New
      +1
      I don’t even know which of the things you’re arguing can challenge: request both conclusions are correct! yes If we proceed from the fact that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, then it becomes pointless to debate whether the people are worthy of the power that they chose, because it turns out that one people chose two different powers that they deserve! laughing Well, or that different parts of the people deserve different powers - which, too, agree, nonsense.
      If we assume that Ukrainians and Russians are two different peoples, then it is impossible to explain why they have 99,9% culture, values ​​and language - the same, and the difference in them within the community “Ukrainians” is greater than the difference between the averages communities "Ukrainians" and "Russians"!
      1. turbris
        turbris 23 November 2017 13: 47 New
        0
        But is it so important - one nation, two nations, and so what? There is Russia along the path of independent development, and this supports its people. There is Ukraine in which nationalists rule the ball, ready to sell themselves out to anyone, just to maintain power and most importantly, this also supports the people. Therefore, what kind of united people are we talking about is not clear to me.
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 23 November 2017 14: 53 New
          +1
          So it’s not clear to me what kind of “Ukrainian people” can be discussed if a bunch of nationalists rule the ball in Ukraine ??? request
          1. Karen
            Karen 23 November 2017 15: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: BMP-2
            So it’s not clear to me what kind of “Ukrainian people” can be discussed if a bunch of nationalists rule the ball in Ukraine ??? request

            It was necessary to write more correctly - a bunch of cosmopolitans.
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 23 November 2017 15: 06 New
              +1
              And one could write even more correctly, but, I think, censorship of the site will not miss! lol wink
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 November 2017 19: 05 New
    0
    Vladimir Timofeychuk zhurnalyuga.
    Well, time has already passed enough, we have already talked with the minibus driver. Timofeychik probably also put in brains, I hope.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 23 November 2017 00: 47 New
      +1
      Yes, there is no brain there and nowhere to insert: there "European values" occupy the entire skull, and even fall out through the mouth opening. yes
  14. polpot
    polpot 20 November 2017 20: 12 New
    +4
    In Russia, this too, you remember the defenders of the White House in 1991, from the beginning they ran and boasted, the Yeltsin invented a medal for them and the common people simply despised them, who now remember the Yeltsin’s heavenly hundred of 3 people and no one except their relatives and how much squealing was, now remember disgusting.
  15. tochila
    tochila 20 November 2017 22: 27 New
    +1
    The medal was called - TO THE DEFENDER OF FREE RUSSIA !!!!! In common parlance - Zack !!!
  16. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 20 November 2017 23: 33 New
    +1
    Here it is required to clarify that Ukraine is a country with 43 million people, we derive the average, it is about 18 - 20 million able-bodied men (16 - 60 years old), of which 3 live in LDNR, another 15 in the rest of the country. The draft age is about 9-11 million in Ukraine and up to a million in the Donbass, of which in the anti-terrorist operation zone from the side of the Armed Forces with rotations from 100 to 115 thousand military personnel, from the two corps of LDNR up to 40 thousand, respectively. We will not go into details about who has the advantage in the aviation component and who has the means of air defense, everything is clear here. The question is why there is so much on the part of the Armed Forces, if the army is only 300 thousand, although the operation should be conducted by the SBU-MVD-NSU, if, in fact, it is an analogue of the Russian KTO; and actually why there is so little on the part of the LPR, where, and so on, up to 40% of the personnel are continuous international. Where is the male population? I personally have the answer to the second question - the men just drifted who were richer and civil servants, those to the Dnieper, Kherson, and most to the Crimea (I saw them in droves, refugees from Donetsk, but all in cars, crossovers yes jeeps), ordinary people, many to Rostov and from there across the Russian Federation (it was not in vain that in 2014-2015 admissions committees for technical specialties in Rostov universities were clogged with guys from the Donbass) others in Ukraine were internally displaced, and there were ideological ones and those who There was nothing to lose or, due to circumstances, were unable to leave the database area. Of course, there is no fly in the ointment in a not so softly sweet barrel of honey. We know who the fighters of NSU are by nature, but we don’t even hide where the battalions of Donbass began. I personally remember OPLOT by the strong Kharkov Fight Club, where they gave 500 bucks for a fight in a cage, where Zakharchenko started his way in 2014, I won’t say who, I don’t know, but I squeezed out a lot of property in the Donbas, as they brought it until 2015 cars to Donbass from the Crimea and interrupted them at the old GAI bases, as in 2015, in the Crimean morgues, they began to give cores to relatives with a couple of extra holes. In such trifles the essence of this war is revealed. There can be no winners in such a war, only losers. These are such rude, silent, but bloody figures of this undeclared war.
  17. gladcu2
    gladcu2 21 November 2017 00: 37 New
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    Well, what is the author?

    Morality again? And how to create this morality? Control?

    Morality, creates and controls macroeconomics, economic system.

    This is currently a market. Speculation. The goods turned, the buyers were heated. They got it. As the saying goes, if you're smart, why not rich.
    Here lies the market system. You cheated or you cheated.

    So it is in life. Someone makes money in the war, and someone was deceived into this war.
    And there are no excuses for either.
  18. ihappy
    ihappy 21 November 2017 01: 12 New
    +2
    The worst thing is that when popular hatred spills out, then the innocent will suffer again.
    And the guilty will suffer at least. And our instigators are most likely to leave the country.
    1. turbris
      turbris 23 November 2017 13: 50 New
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      Of course, they will not suffer much, but the people will leave and how everything will be restored, it is not clear that no one will invest in Ukraine.
  19. datur
    datur 21 November 2017 01: 13 New
    +1
    pots are incorrigible !!!! wink favorites !! sooo !! wassat extinguish so !!! drinks -for me, this holiday in Ukraine and Schaub didn’t end NEVER !!! wink --
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 22 November 2017 05: 13 New
      +1
      I agree with you, let it burn in the fire and then remain square, do not mind! They must drink the cup to the bottom! And they should shut them down, we have an economy, and so, money should remain in the country below the baseboard. So it is with Central Asia.
  20. akm8226
    akm8226 24 November 2017 22: 21 New
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    Nothing will happen. Only when hundreds of corpses begin to wallow across Khreshchatyk and all over Ukraine, only then, hear !! - only then - maybe !! - Panov start! - just getting started !! - think something. Ask yourself the question - if you would now give every dill resident a salary at least as in Russia, would they protest? Yeah. Right now. In the ATO, there would have been a queue already beyond the horizon, and the bucket would have been glorified to heaven. As it was already - three years earlier. And all the current grumbling of the population is dissatisfaction with the lack of sausages, figuratively speaking. Shut their mouths with a piece of "Krakow" - and no one will even squeak. You need to know how nature is.