Off the coast of Argentina lost the submarine

Fighting submarine "San Juan" Argentine Navy disappeared off the coast of the South American country. Onboard are the crew member 44. This is stated in the message of the Navy in Twitter.

The submarine stopped communicating on the way from the port of Ushuaia to the city of Mar del Plata (the base of the Argentine Navy submarines). Planes and ships were sent to her search. They are in the area where it was recorded last time.

The missing submarine was built in Germany, she entered the Argentine Navy in the 1985 year. The length of the submarine reaches 66 meters, it reaches speeds up to 25 nodes.

Armament: six bow 533-mm (21 -inch) vehicles for 22 wire-guided torpedoes SST-4 or Mk 37; or 34 mines.
Electronic armament: navigation radar "Calypso IV", fire control system "Sinbadz", REER equipment "C Sentry III", active-passive GAS detection and control of fire CSU 3 / 4, passive GAS determining the range DUUX 5.

Comments

[Gray brother]

Let them come home.

[210ox]

Yes, they risk submariners hourly and every minute .. The service is like this. We hope for the best.

Quote: Gray Brother

Let them come home.

[xetai9977]

Sorry for the people. Argentines are essentially European people on ethnic grounds .. Negroes and others there are very few. And so, they have a very worn-out armament park. Technique, like everything and everything, has an expiration date. I hope to be saved.

[Ural resident]

In addition, the opponents of the British

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: xetai9977

Sorry for the people. Argentines are essentially European people on ethnic grounds .. Negroes and others there are very few. And so, they have a very worn-out armament park. Technique, like everything and everything, has an expiration date. I hope to be saved.

interesting you classify the peoples !!! let it be known that the title of "European" is not particularly proud, because most of the troubles in the world were precisely because of them !!!

[Cat Marquis]

Too bad if she died. Another sea secret more.

[79807420129]

I want to believe that they will quickly find and save whoever is possible.

[the most important]

sorry for the sailors ... maybe still alive ..

[Pirogov]

Quote: the most important

sorry for the sailors ... maybe still alive ..

If the depth is not great and they can be found quickly, they can also be saved.

[Thunderbolt]

Courage to the families of submariners, they are your heroes ...

[Herculesic]

Hope dies last! They are not our enemies, I sincerely hope that the crew is alive, and they will find the boat, or will come to their native harbor!

[svp67]

Let's hope that the walkie-talkies just died ... I wish them a happy return.

[japs]

God grant them good luck!

[GPU-M]

Did not the Anglo-Saxons drown her ..? For folklendy, Tipo trained or the United States.

[albert]

And then they say that the Russians are to blame ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: albert

And then they say that the Russians are to blame ..

Not a ride, there is no our interest in creating problems for Argentina. Yes, and their president was pretty, and even breathing towards Russia. And the boat is aging faster than her aunt, all the same 32 years old woman. Could and wiring shorten, resulting in a connection and was lost. Hopefully there are. All the same, they did not participate in the hostilities.

[Aaron Zawi]

"Nowhere and nowhere can there be such equality in the face of death as among the crew of a submarine, on which either everyone wins or everyone dies." M.Gadzhiev hero of the Soviet Union

These words can be the motto of all submariners.

[Svarog51]

Aron, welcome Man by nature was born to walk on the earth, but he managed to break into the other two elements. Water and airspace. Pilots and sailors are representatives of humanity in other elements. Worthy people. IMHO.

[VALERIK_097]

The trouble, however. The exact date of the loss of communication is nowhere to be found.

[VALERIK_097]

Maryat, Orionov, Poseidonov, never been there. And the closest partners will never offer help themselves.
Maybe our IL-38 will be sent, although there the bill goes for minutes

[Setrac]

Quote: Svarog51

Man born by nature to walk the earth

Man is an amphibian creature, born to live on the border of land and water.

[Svarog51]

And air. But after all, man has penetrated far beyond the boundaries of nature’s letting go, is it namesake?

[Setrac]

Quote: Svarog51

And air. But after all, man has penetrated far beyond the boundaries of nature’s letting go, is it namesake?

This is the reason for rationality - to go beyond the boundaries of the familiar ... and survive at the same time.
But still, in human amphibian land there is more land than water.

[Svarog51]

go beyond the boundaries of the familiar ... and survive at the same time.

Here nature takes revenge for the slightest mistake. I do not want to whine about this, since a person was able to go beyond these boundaries, then he will not stop. I admire such people. Good luck to the Argentine submariners.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

These words can be the motto of all submariners.

In my opinion, a gloomy motto, albeit true, and even heroic. Today, submariners like this (it already exists): "We need peace, and preferably all!"

[tlauicol]

from Wednesday on communication does not go. it's too much..

[dzvero]

http://maritimebulletin.net/2017/11/17/argentinia
n-navy-submarine-with-40-crew-lost-contradicting-
news /
Argentina Navy submarine ARA SAN JUAN disappeared in waters of Puerto Madryn, northern Patagonia, Argentina, contact with submarine manned with 40 crew lost since Nov 15. It was said that submarine was already located and taken on tow, being disabled after fire, but according to most recent news, citing Navy officials, submarine wasn't found, her fate, and fate of the crew, unknown.

The first message was about a fire on board and being towed. But the Navy then refuted the Old and say that the fate of the submarine and crew is unknown ...

[Sirius-2]

And if a special group from ISIS captured the submarine? What is not a means of blackmail and terror?

[Svarog51]

Ruslan Why? There is indirect information that such an operation was carried out, although at another time and by the public service. They can and can not be denied. There is a place to be. IMHO.

[Veteran]

Greetings, Sergey! If the boat did not come up, then the matter is awful, at the disposal of submariners of the order of 4 days, two have already passed. And this boat was undergoing modernization, it changed the diesels and AB, so she had to be in good condition.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome you Excuse me for not immediately responding. On the topic - the boat went through modernization, but not a word about the crew. People are the main detail of any technology. An experienced crew can perform the task with the old equipment, but not with the experienced one - and screw up the completely new equipment. In this case, I don’t want to make any verdicts and I won’t; I wish for the sailors to survive and breathe fresh air again and see the sun. I shared your letter with my colleague domnich - he is the commander of a hydrographic ship. If you want - I will give his mail, you will find something to talk with a colleague. I will answer, if you want to talk in the future.

[Veteran]

Thank you, Seryozha! Regarding the professionalism of the crew, you are right.
My mail is open to all your friends.
The information about this boat is contradictory, but if it does not come up, it means that it has some internal problems, there can be many of them. Even if it is discovered under water, the Argentines themselves are unlikely to be able to save her crew, they do not have the appropriate rescue equipment. And God forbid that the boat does not slip into the nearby ocean canyon, where the depths are approx. 2 km, then this is a full paragraph, and there will be another long-term mystery.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, I wish you health! Here's where else to find out what could be in danger of a disaster submarine in that region. Thank you for the interesting suggestion. I’d have guessed about it, there’s no such knowledge as yours. We still hope that help will come on time.

[Veteran]

Hello, Sergey! We’ve already gone the fourth day ... According to the latest information, 7 satellite calls were detected from the boat, they are trying to determine its exact location, which so far is limited to the rectangle 306x216 km, the center of which is approximately 430 km from the nearest Argentine port of Nomodoro Rivadavia (in San Jorge Bay ) Those. the boat is somewhere offshore, but the border of the Argentine basin is nearby. In fact, the boat transmits satellite signals through a retractable special antenna, the "head" of which should be above the water, i.e. being at maximum at periscope depth. Perhaps they have a pop-up version of a satellite dish, I don’t know. The boat is now looking for 2 EM, 6 Krv, 4 - 5 auxiliary. ships, 6 arg. Aircraft + Amer. Poseidon and Orion. But if she is found underwater, the crew rescue operation will be difficult. Deployment of deep-sea equipment requires at least a week.
Yesterday there was significant sea swell, the height of the waves was up to 5 m, which makes search very difficult.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, here I am saying that your comments carry more information than the article itself. Thanks you. All modern means are involved, and the fourth day they are looking for a boat. With all that the crew is trying to give a distress signal, that is, it wants to be found. So what? Nothing happens. But how can they even detect a boat if it is hiding? Here I have more questions. There must be an emergency buoy on the boat. And if the crew has the opportunity, there is also the opportunity to send a signal to hydroacoustics through a hydroacoustic station. Although, if the nasal is flooded, there is no access there, so I understand? Well then, you can knock any piece of iron on the body, the sound is far in the water. Phew, I didn’t seem to confuse much, I hope that I clearly stated my thoughts.

[Veteran]

Seryozha, I already gave a comment in the next post, but I will repeat it here. Judging by the approximate coordinates, the boat is located at the shelf depths, maximum 200 m. Its maximum immersion depth is 300 m, so that until the fate of the Trescher does not threaten it, unless it is carried in the direction of the ocean, where the Argentine basin begins. The autonomy of the "San Juan" 30 days, but this is not related to its position. The main thing is the supply of oxygen-containing air, the operation of its regeneration system, this is the main factor in crew survival, unless there was a fire and flooding of the compartments inside the submarine. In addition, for some reason they have on board a large "re-set" of people, 44 people instead of full-time 26, which further complicates the situation due to the overexpenditure of breathable air.
The satellite signals most likely come from the surfaced radio beacon of the COSPAS-SARSAT system, at a frequency of approximately 406 MHz, but such a buoy can trigger ascent and turn on in automatic mode, i.e. signals are not a sign of crew life. And the intermittent signals, possibly due to the strong sea swell in that area. There is a noise GA station on the boat for supplying an emergency noise signal (at least on our submarines), but its audibility range is small, and it cannot work for a long time (when the AB is seated). Sound communication with the boat can be reached only at a close distance, for this it is necessary to clarify its coordinates, which is now being done.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, well, if you move away from emotions, how would you rate the chances of the crew at the moment? Have time to save at least someone?

[Sirius-2]

In the first Chechen one, Dudaev and Maskhadov planned to seize an atomic submarine with nuclear weapons in all seriousness. And these are former senior officers of the Soviet army. Not amateurs. Did not make it. The mortal end came earlier. And the plans with the calculations came as a trophy of the FSB.

[zivXP]

Yeah, they handed over for scrap. Sawed straight with hacksaws.

[akribos]

Quote: xetai9977

Sorry for the people. Argentines are essentially European people on ethnic grounds .. Negroes and others there are very few. And so, they have a very worn-out armament park. Technique, like everything and everything, has an expiration date. I hope to be saved.

And what about the Europeans? If there are Indians, Armenians, Negroes, Asians, are you less sorry for them?

[Dead duck]

Quote: akribos

And what about the Europeans? If there are Indians, Armenians, Negroes, Asians, are you less sorry for them?

Europeans are always with everyone, like Russians ...
but about blacks you yourself first started ...

[GPU-M]

Quote: LAWNER

I went on a demobilization with a submariner ..... 25 years old, white as Lun .. ... 5 times drowned .....
-Rest, I’ll take a tan and on a hike -... I fucked up

And I believe that it is ..
In Soviet times it was like that, work is first and foremost! We have so Russian, I envy him even ..
Here is the real life of men! Honor and glory to such in Russia, at the expense of them we live in fact ..

[VALERIK_097]

What do you believe? Naive, you can drown 10 times on the simulator. Everything is real there. Points through TA to go out, I agree, but not to gray hair. For information, VSK in the fleet was used only once, on Komsomolets and it was inept. Because because it was. It was.

[VALERIK_097]

I, to you under 100 grams, can tell such tales, whiten like Lun

[shans2]

if there were 2 such submarines near Argentina in 1982, then they would be able to melt the entire fleet of small-brit near the Malvinas Islands.

[Old26]

Quote: svp67

Let's hope that the walkie-talkies just died ... I wish them a happy return.

I would like it to be only in the radio

[Bare]

Yes, a sad fact.
If Juan hadn’t been, maybe she would not have disappeared.

[polpot]

Another reason to order our "Varshavyanka" will be much better than German junk

[Veteran]

Svarog51,
There are almost no chances, Seryozha, if the boat has been at all this time at depths greater than the periscope. If she had the opportunity to go up, at least to the periscopic depth, then the survival time could increase. Now, the first rescue equipment from the United States - the "bell" and the inspected GBA - has been delivered to the nearest Argentine port, other US rescue equipment is being prepared for shipment. But first of all, you need to find the boat itself, and the search area is still very large, about 50 thousand square meters. km It is unlikely that the crew at the depths will survive before the start of rescue operations.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, but if the boat is really at periscope depth, then the crew should have rescue equipment from shallow depths? Well, I do not want to have another mystery in my history again. K-129 - a huge depth, and that is, some kind of information about the causes of death. "Kursk" - the length of the cruiser is greater than the depth of immersion and again no information. Here again - they received signals and can not find. Well, how is that? When will an effective search and rescue service be created? In the 30s, a rescue operation was carried out, a successful operation. And now? Why?

[Veteran]

Seryozha, the emergency boat will not be at periscope depth, she will certainly try to emerge into the surface, but if she cannot do this and she has exhausted such opportunities, she will not be able to stay at the periscope, she will go down and most likely to the bottom. Find a submarine lying without a move at the bottom on an area of ​​500 thousand square meters. km - the task is very difficult, here you need a huge surface fleet and a bunch of search aircraft. Especially if there is a storm at the top, and now, according to the Argentine Navy, the waves have reached the height of 8 - 10 m, and such weather, they say, will be two more days. Much depends on the circumstances. The place of death of K-129 was tracked by the Americans, and they went to the operation with the exact coordinates. "Kursk" was in the range of BP, whose borders are known and small. Now they place great hope on the COSPAS-SARSAT satellite alarm system (this is an international version of the system, there is our domestic one) when a buoy container with a radio beacon that pops up and sends signals to satellites, to the UHF is thrown. Perhaps such a buoy and fired from a boat. But a huge indefinite area of ​​search and a storm element! Can you imagine the waves in 10 m? This is a storm of 8 points. The height of the superstructure of the diesel-electric submarine is of the order of 5 - 6 m.
By the way, the deep-sea equipment that the Americans are now delivering to the Argentine port can work up to sea excitement at 5 points.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, yes, I’ve never even seen a wave above 3 meters. Well, I’m unlucky in life, but I want to look again at the water surface without end and edge. Well, I will not talk about sad things. K-129 - depth over 5000m, Americans could track the exact location if they were involved in its death. “Kursk” - but the training ground is also a storm. So I can’t believe that the boat that carried out a brilliant operation in the Mediterranean, died with accident from the crew. Do not convince me that behind this catastrophe there are no striped ears. And with an Argentine boat, even I am an amateur, and even then I can ask a bunch of unpleasant questions (not for you, of course), but to the Argentine command and some others from the English Admiralty. And then, just that, immediately Russia is accused of all sins. Here, too, will they look for the Russian trace? It is not necessary to look for a trace, but to save people, and this just does not happen, unfortunately. IMHO of course.

[Veteran]

It is unlikely that in this case they dare to look for a “Russian trace”, in any case, the Argentines, they have a grudge against the Britons, but this accusation is also almost unbelievable. Here, the Argentines need to conclude that the search for a submarine that has not gotten in touch should immediately begin to be organized, in 4 hours, and not wait for almost two days. Secondly, a country that wants to have and has its own submarine fleet is simply obliged to have modern means to rescue the crew of emergency submarines. I'm not talking about a thorough check of the technical condition of the boats before the trip. But the search for the missing submarines is simply an international task.
By the way, I’ll add that the COSPAS-SARSAT radio beacon works on its own independent power source for up to two days, then everything is out.
Ah, Seryozha, I’ll tell you later what opportunities we had in the 70 to designate ourselves in case of flooding on a long trip - you’ll be horrified.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, or maybe you write an article on VO on this subject

I will tell you what opportunities we had in the 70s to designate ourselves in case of flooding on a long hike

I think not, I'm just sure that there will be great interest from the participants of the forum. There are very few professionals like you on the site, and you have to catch every bit of information like a gold miner. There is plenty of lies and frank nonsense, but you have to hunt for reliable information. That’s what they survived to.