Algerian Armed Forces replace Russian howitzers with Chinese PLU 45 self-propelled guns

The Algerian army places long-range self-propelled howitzers PLZ 45 on the border with Libya, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

ACS were acquired in the PRC in 2014 year. Currently, these self-propelled guns are well mastered by the crews and are actively used in combat training.

Self-propelled artillery installations PLZ 45 replace outdated machines such as 2C1 “Carnation”, 2C3 “Acacia”.

“The choice of the Algerians was not accidental. They already have experience in operating Chinese towed 155-mm PLL01 guns. On self-propelled guns PLZ 45 just installed a similar howitzer. Chinese SAU can compete with the best SAU in the world in most characteristics. For example, the active-missiles of this self-propelled gun are capable of hitting targets at a distance of 39 km, ”writes the author Dmitry Lemeshko.

For example, the Russian ACS Msta with an 152-caliber gun beats only 29 km. “There is an option 2С19М1-155, the projectile of which with a gas generator is able to fly at a distance of up to 41 km, but unfortunately, this export machine is only shown at exhibitions,” the author notes.

The question of the ammunition supply of the Chinese installation is well thought out: for this purpose, a special transport-loading machine capable of carrying 90 shots was created.

Weight SAU - to 33 t. Crew - 5 people. Engine power - 520 HP Maximum speed - up to 65 km / h. Power reserve up to 450 km. PLZ 45 has a sophisticated digital automated fire control system with satellite navigation sensors.

NORINCO Corporation is not standing still, work has been done to increase the firing range as far as 50 km.

Among the drawbacks of SAU, experts note a low rate of fire - 5 rounds per minute.

In addition to Algeria, PLZ 45 purchased Kuwait (54 SAU), Saudi Arabia (54 units) and Bangladesh.

Comments

[Vitas]

A holy place is never empty!

[Scoun]

Quote: Vitas

A holy place is never empty!

This is not the case you wrote that Algerians understand a lot about weapons? )))
PS
Just hunting to listen to their opinions from the guys.

[Vitas]

No, not my comment. As for the sense in weapons ... It seems to me that they have chosen a couple of the main suppliers - Russia, China, and they are equipping the best that comes from export weapons.

[donavi49]

Germany, France, Italy.

[Lopatov]

It's all about the money. It's stupidly cheaper.
As far as I understand, they decided to remove the 122 mm caliber, in which most Algerian artillery currently resides.
They began to choose Or a cheaply modern 155 mm with modular loading, which has prospects. Or a 152 mm obsolete one that has no prospects even in its homeland (the Coalition is already with modular loading, but we will not be ready to sell any self-propelled guns or shots for them for another N years)

Plus, cheapness is a very careful attitude of the Chinese to "related products." Not inherent in ours. In our proposal, only the 155 mm Msta-S itself, the Chinese are selling the entire line. from a set of control vehicles, including firing radars. machines of advanced artillery observers (the "western" version used in Algeria to transfer to our CMU they will have to retrain all gunners and change staff). And ending with all kinds of service staff, from weather stations and technical bullets to transport-loading machines.

[Mih1974]

What is more true that the Chinese simply brought dough and you need to look like they were just "bought" by the Chinese as a whole and a lot of things are being built there. The superiority over the "studs" - it’s even silly to compare different classes for any "tricky * opu, there is a bolt with an even trickier thread" .Alger bought Chinese guns, well so their "probable opponents" can buy from us "a little" MLRS "tornado"

[Lopatov]

Yes, even without any “drifts”, the Chinese are simply more adequate in trading this type of product. Even the Saudis bought these SGs,

[siberalt]

But is 5 rounds per minute not enough? And how many shots can be made without stopping from such a tool so that it does not melt?

[Mih1974]

For the "coalition" the rate of fire is declared - 16, although how they do not "melt" . Apparently there is the option of “quickly throwing the heels of chyumodanov and dumping”. And five times six times (division) of 152 mm “chumodanov” it’s not a cat who’s coughing you While the enemy will calculate, aim - to shoot at "5 rounds per minute" high and the track on the position will cool down . While Chinese crap is clearly designed to work in the absence of opposition from the enemy.

[Uryukc]

Quote: Mih1974

For the "coalition" the rate of fire is declared - 16, although how they do not "melt"

Is there a link to the application? And it seems like quotes must be taken a statement and not a coalition. The barrel of the new howitzer "does not melt", thanks to the active cooling system, see "Military Acceptance" about the Coalition, there is.

Quote: siberalt

But is 5 rounds per minute not enough?

Msta-S has a rate of fire up to 8 rounds per minute, there are also foreign samples with a vigorous rate of fire, such as the Swedish Archer.

Quote: Mih1974

While Chinese crap is clearly designed to work in the absence of counteraction

Give wishful thinking ...

[xetai9977]

"Down jackets, fanariki, and other consumer goods .."
The Chinese prove that they are capable of producing not only consumer goods, but also quite modern weapons, which ALREADY displace Russia from traditional markets

[Chestnut]

China is successfully squeezing the market, the product is cheaper and better than Russia.
Quite sad prospects are emerging for Russian enterprises, there is no income, and there are no enterprises.

In 2018, nobody needs Soviet technology for money, except for a penny, by banana states or for nothing.
Alas, Russia cannot produce anything of its own, with grief in half, only Soviet crafts.

[svp67]

Quote: Chestnut

China is successfully squeezing the market, the product is cheaper and better than Russia.

This is still a TALE. Especially in the field of weapons. Chinese WORSE, for reliability.

Quote: Chestnut

Alas, Russia cannot produce anything of its own, with grief in half, only Soviet crafts.

And there is a desire to check these "crafts" in their own skin?

[shans2]

repatriate from 404 chtol? only they push such enchanting nonsense)

[Lord of the Sith]

But "Iskander-E" bought.

[destination]

Self-propelled artillery mounts PLZ 45 replace obsolete 2C1 Gvozdika vehicles
Well, and we are going to upgrade them ...

[ImPerts]

Quote: destination

Well, and we are going to upgrade them ...

Do you also offer to buy a Chinese?
What for?
Clove - self-propelled regiment, copes with its tasks, after modernization, efficiency will increase.
And PLZ 45 is another level. Why compare camry with phantom?

[Mih1974]

I support, this is how to compare the yard fighter and professional boxer, completely different classes and calibers. And the "cloves" will not go anywhere, because if it were so easy - everyone would have switched to 203 mm guns and beat them from the devil of what far , but the price of the issue and much more compels us to have 122 caliber and mortars in service 82

[The leader of the Redskins]

By the way, and one of the arguments to today's article on extending the life of carnations in Russia - even Algerians consider them obsolete.

[Vitas]

Do they even upgrade something? Loot is, you can litter. And generally speaking -

[Lopatov]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

even Algerians consider them obsolete.

8)))
Like they are noble gunsmiths, versed in the topic?
They, damn it, in the ranks of more than a hundred 122-mm Soviet A-19. Born in 1931 and modernized in 37. And this is actually 1/5 of all their artillery.

[Chestnut]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

By the way, and one of the arguments to today's article on extending the life of carnations in Russia - even Algerians consider them obsolete.

Russia has a situation, we can’t buy imports, because of pride, but from our own, one old junk Soviet.

[Lopatov]

"Old Soviet"? She is more accurate. than American precision munitions 8)))

[The Siberian barber]

Down jackets, fanariki, and other consumer goods ...

[Chever]

Quote: Siberian barber

Down jackets, fanariki, and other consumer goods ...

And where does the "Down Jackets, flashlights and other consumer goods"? How does this relate to the topic of the article?

[tforik]

We are losing competitive advantages in this direction

[iouris]

And in which direction is the Russian Federation with a large territory and a small market competitive? This is all a consequence of downshifting Russia.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Chever

Quote: Siberian barber

Down jackets, fanariki, and other consumer goods ...

And where does the "Down Jackets, flashlights and other consumer goods"? How does this relate to the topic of the article?

In addition, China itself produces competitive products, except for "junk"
Slowly they begin to squeeze on "our" arms markets. Further, more ..
However, the site has long been talked about this.
Ah, flashlights .. so, then thoughts out loud.
Sorry for the confusion :)

[Mih1974]

Actually, these guns are just the "flashlights". Once again - why the hell to Algerians "right NOW" to change artillery, why are they so hot? Moreover, when replacing a callaber, they will essentially have to “throw out” ALL the supplies and replenish them from the beginning. This is clearly not a matter of “oh our guns are out of date”, here is a strategic decision. Most likely this is due to the "purchase" of Algeria by the Chinese "in the bud," and here they are transplanted to their products "voluntarily-forcibly." How many did not encounter Chinese "creativity" - "goods for the poor." Not if I personally need a mobile phone to call, then of course I’m buying Chinese (I don’t accept these subcomputers that you can also call), but motor vehicles, aviation, weapons - fuuu. Moreover, I don’t know why the quality of the Germans and Japanese is “streaming”, but they have already “descended” to the level of the Chinese and here are “yellow-faced” (c) (quote, do not carp ) they were paid at a price.
In arms, the Chinese - beat the bad copyrights, and remained. I don’t know to whom they stole such a long-range cannon and shells, but it’s definitely not theirs. Geo-referencing is also not news, only they are already sculpting it, and so far we have a “flywheel” slowing down.

[faiver]

cars of different classes ...

[san4es]

PLZ 45 has an advanced digital automated fire control system with satellite navigation sensors.

[Mih1974]

God, the Chinese even improved the "art division", from six to ten . Holy is holy the "standby" whale sitting on top of the tower and with some kind of binoculars scowling .If the artillery reached direct fire, wait for trouble, the UAV guidance is good, but then again, "we still have to see what’s going on like that," but we know the Chinese quality, they already returned radars (all four of them).

[Mentat]

Amazed at the comments. What nafig modern weapon characteristics? Algerians bought for cheapness.
Plz-45 - another "miracle" of the Chinese Xerox, a copy of the M109, the gun - a copy of the Austrian GHN-45. What kind of resource, with Chinese material science?
According to its characteristics, it is worse than modern modifications of the M109, and the export Msta-S. But cheaper.

[Franciscan]

Quote: Chestnut

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

By the way, and one of the arguments to today's article on extending the life of carnations in Russia - even Algerians consider them obsolete.

Russia has a situation, we can’t buy imports, because of pride, but from our own, one old junk Soviet.

Which few people need.

[komandir8]

To replace Msta S, Msta M arrives, its trunk is significantly extended - from 47 calibres to 52 and the firing range increased to 41 km. “Msta M is equipped with a digital guidance system, which is able to independently calculate the ballistic trajectory of the projectile. The Concern NPO Mashinostroitel developed eight different shells of 152 mm caliber for the new gun. Among them there are shells with a variety of fuses: radar, programmable electronic and others. In addition, modular propelling charges were also created, which can be combined depending on the current task of the self-propelled guns.
Representatives of the ministry explain the refusal to purchase new shells by the need to free warehouses from obsolete ammunition.

[Mih1974]

Well so, let Iraq buy them from us or Syria, whatever they say, and when the war is on, money for arms is (especially from Iraq). You can sell the Kurds)) or "give" to the Donbass, there is something that lately ukrovermah completely lost fear (it is time for them to throw back "chumodanov").

[Old26]

Quote: destination

Self-propelled artillery mounts PLZ 45 replace obsolete 2C1 Gvozdika vehicles
Well, and we are going to upgrade them ...

Actually, as stated in the article, they are going to replace 2C1 “Carnation” and 2C3 “Acacia”

Quote: Spade

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

even Algerians consider them obsolete.

8)))
Like they are noble gunsmiths, versed in the topic?
They, damn it, in the ranks of more than a hundred 122-mm Soviet A-19. Born in 1931 and modernized in 37. And this is actually 1/5 of all their artillery.

Something like that, although the number has already changed and the A-19 is now about a quarter of all artillery (non-self-propelled)