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Social elevator: life is straight on Marx (part two)

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As it was already emphasized in the first article, there is no science here, but only personal impressions and judgments at the everyday level. As a rule, most commentators on HE also refer to their personal experience, and not to articles in the journal Sociology Issues. Everyone has his own experience and this, however, is valuable, even if deep generalizations in it are usually absent.


While studying at school, I somehow never thought about the preferences given to me from birth, although I understood that I have a lot of things that others do not. But the impact of the events taking place in society felt very good. For example, under Khrushchev, there was a very “good bread”, from the crumb of which it was possible to sculpt anything, like plasticine, and then “this” was petrified tightly.


Now the 6 specialized school with the study of a number of subjects in English has turned into a language gymnasium with an electronic scoreboard above the entrance: “Through thorns to the stars!”

Looking at the huts of my street buddies, I began to value my house more. And especially the bookcase. And what was there just was not, and even the books were in the couch, with my grandfather on the shelf, in the barn and in the closet. There were Niva magazines 1899 of the year and beyond - “back and forth.” "Science and technology" 1929 of the year and 1937-oh, "Light" 50-x and much more. With 1962, I was discharged “Young Technician” and “Young Naturalist”, and from 1968, “Youth Technique” and “Model Designer”. By the way, from the same 1968, we had drastic social changes on the street, which adults called “Kosygin reform”. And, although it began earlier, I personally saw the result this year. All the families who worked in our factory, including the family of two of my comrades, received new apartments in high-rise new buildings, and their parents received a salary in 300 p. I came to visit them and was stunned: lacquered furniture made of chipboard (in those years, the dream and the norm of being our citizens!), The new TV and all that jazz. This, in fact, our friendship is over. We have nowhere to play, and even that - after all, we were already big. Walking to each other was far away. Therefore, all the summer I now devoted to ... reading. When the “wardrobe is over,” he turned to his relatives and began to re-read their wardrobes. All of Jules Verne, Dumas, Sabatini, Haggard, Mayne Reid, Dickens, Zola's novels “Germinal” and “Ladies Happiness” (there was about “this”), of course, Maupassant, Balzac, Alexander Belyaev, Ivan Efremov, Anatoly Dniprov, Sheckley , Lemm, Wells, Strugatsky, Vladimir Savchenko, Sergey Snegov - probably easier to write, which I did not read then. But what I did not like? In the free sale of good books for some reason was quite a few. Especially books from the series “Library of Adventures” with a characteristic ornate gold pattern on the spine and on the cover. They had to "get" or take in the library.


In Soviet times, near this school of ours, there was a technical school or a college for them. Ternovsky. What kind of men and girls there were at the entrance still remember. Now here is a business incubator.

And it all started with the books of this very library. Or rather, from the fact that when I was still in the 9 class, my mom finally got married a second time and, although she chose for a long time, but she chose. The retired colonel of the GRU and the Polish Army, with a bunch of orders (and which ones!), A chic apartment, furnishings and the same associate professor as she, only without a degree. By the way, it turned out that although my grandfather had my last name Taratynov, the first marriage of mother was Shevchenko (every fool at school, and at the institute also tried to ask me: “are you not a relative of Taras Grigorievich” - ugh! ), but I wear the name of my adoptive father. And I chose her, by the way, my future spouse. “What do you prefer to call yourself,” I told her before the wedding — Elena Shevchenko or Elena Shpakovskaya? “Elena Shpakovskaya is somehow more sonorous,” she said. Well, what does a woman want - God wants! So we have a surname and organized. I did not expect, you know, that in the country of proletarian internationalism, anti-Semitism will flourish in such a full color.


The same building from the entrance. It is deserted because it was shot on Saturday evening. Usually there are plenty of cars. But some workaholics, as you see, are still working! Cars are waiting for them!

But here I had to go to college, and my mother and father were taken, and left to rest to the south, "so that no one said that I went to ask for you and you entered through the pull!", And then completely changed their place of residence. And I ended up alone in an old wooden house with a grandmother and grandfather in his arms, who needed to be constantly cared for, ambulances called to him, to go to the hospital with gears and ... a lot more to do. Actually, I got used to this a long time ago, since my mom, arranging her career and personal life, in my opinion, all my years at school were simply absent. Half a year in refresher courses in Minsk, half a year in Leningrad, then three years in graduate school in Moscow, and again courses in Rostov-on-Don, then Riga, then ... well, I learned how to prepare and manage. And having entered the institute, I saw how many around me ... girls! Specifically, on 50 people are students - 25 girls, both from the city and from the village. Of course, many of them were just crocodiles in a skirt, no skin, no faces, no mind, no imagination. But one of them, somehow I immediately recognized it, had an entire library of adventures, including those books that I hadn’t read yet !!!


The remains of the plant management them. Frunze. Once, life was raging here, chandeliers were shining, carpets were laid on the stairs. And now at the entrance there is not even a monument. From time to come into disrepair and dismantled. But under these blue trees the babies in carriages sleep very well, and on the lawns on the left and right dogs play.

He began to accompany her to the house, was visiting, and found out that her father had a foreman at our ... factory, and from here she had a large apartment, a summer house, a car, and my coveted adventure library. She studied - worse than ever (and it is not clear how she entered the institute?), But she did learn somehow. Naturally, even in my thoughts I didn’t have “nothing like that,” but when the young blood began to boil, I found myself among the crocodiles both a clever girl and a beauty, and not to pull, I married her immediately after the second course, and By the way, I don’t regret it at all - this is 43, we live in perfect harmony.

But her family was “lower rank” - her father was a simple engineer in a scientific research institute, not her boss, her mother was a primary school teacher. And my wife told me how hard she came to our university. She studied well, on the five, but in a regular school. I did not pass the language test very well, but I passed by points. However, they took not her, but another girl - the daughter of the plant director! They said, however, you will work at the plant - we will take on one-year courses, and from them a direct road to the university! I went to the factory, or rather to the research institute, I worked as a laboratory assistant, came to the courses, and she was told - “they are only for workers”, and the laboratory assistant is an engineer! It is good that my father managed to identify her in the coilers-winders, and so she found herself on courses for workers. Well, after a year of study, the social elevator took her to the first year of our institute, where, by the will of Providence, we met. Destiny, yes? There were so many obstacles on the way to that, but ... all of them, as it turned out, led to one main goal!


Modern view of the entrance to the plant. Frunze, where 40000 people worked in my childhood. The plant was called cycling, but we joked that it would only release bicycles, the entire population of the USSR would ride only Penza bicycles. And all of Vietnam in addition ...

As for the one “with the library of adventures”, it was like this: after graduating from our university, having received the specialty “teacher stories and English ”, she did not go to the village to teach the teacher. We went with a small child and laughed for a long time: “Lenin and Krupskaya went against the tsar and sent them to the village! And we received diplomas of higher education and there, too, and even under the threat of criminal prosecution in case of non-appearance at the place of distribution. We have a pretty “free higher education”.

But it is us, and she got into the teacher of one city school, where she also worked for exactly three years and ruined relations with everyone there. And then dad gave her ... an engineer to his factory! Well, which of the history teachers and English to hell is an engineer? But ... arranged. And she began to work. And she worked until he died, after which she was immediately fired.


Now there are only horror films to shoot. It's good that at least the doors were pounded with plywood!

By this time, I had already completed graduate school, worked at the PR and Advertising department, and having met her on the street, and having learned about the plight, I offered to work with us as a lead worker. God knows what the salary is, but ... a lot of free time, comfortable working conditions, a good team. What else does a woman with children need and who is married?

Began to work. And ... declare that "it is bad here." That she, too, has a higher education (!!!), and all these professors look at you as if you are nobody. I honestly tell her: “and you are nobody compared to them”. Offended! And then I had to offer her to quit, because the person had overwhelmed her work thoroughly and even made the schedule incorrectly.


The howitzer D-3 testifies to the contribution of the factory workers of this enterprise to the victory in the Great Patriotic War.

Then? Then there were courses liftersh, and work liftershey. But after someone got stuck in her elevator, she was fired from her job. Now she is retired and works as a cleaning woman, which once again proves that he sees everything and “distributes sisters in earrings” to God. Someone, according to his will, the social elevator for some time carries up, but if in fact you are nobody, then, in spite of the former father of the shop manager, he is sent down. That is, while the father was alive, everything was fine, there was no father and the “farm ended” - everything immediately became bad. Of course, I feel sorry for the person, but how can you help him? No


The whole area around the plant ... solid "zone of collapse." Interestingly, on the territory of the plant itself stands a water tower (circled in red in the photo). What is interesting? And the fact that exactly the same tower in the city of Zelenogradsk in the Kaliningrad region was turned, first, into the hotel — the very top, and secondly — the entire spiral staircase leading upward, into the original “Cat Museum”. I wonder when the plant will finally turn into ruins, what will be built in its place and what will this tower turn into? I personally propose to arrange here a chic "Amusement Park", although, of course, this project is not cheap.

And here it’s fit to say how rightly none other than Karl Marx was right when he wrote extremely well in his essay “Reflections of a young man when choosing a profession” (1835) about how exactly this should be done and interfere with circumstances. So, probably, this is his essay and today it is necessary to give not only young men to read, but also girls. It has not lost its relevance! *

* Marx K. and Engels F. From early works. M., 1956. - S. 1 - 5.

To be continued ...
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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 21 November 2017 06: 39 New
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    That she also has a higher education (!!!), and all these assistant professors look at you as if you were nobody.

    Well, higher education, not yet a sign of the mind, had to deal with such. And the rest, as I visited in childhood, they also read and exchanged interesting books, just my interest was a little different. Well, the fact that I lived and live in a border city also left its mark. And thanks, interesting. And the fate of neighbors and classmates evolved a little differently.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 21 November 2017 07: 22 New
      +4
      is borderline Blagoveshchensk?
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 21 November 2017 08: 01 New
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        Quote: long in stock.
        is borderline Blagoveshchensk?

        Yes, my hometown.
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 21 November 2017 08: 22 New
          +5
          almost a countryman. I come from Ekimchan ...
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 21 November 2017 09: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: long in stock.
            almost a countryman. I come from Ekimchan ...

            Why almost? Countrymen. Ogodzh often had to do fuel pumps, and there were acquaintances from Ekimchan.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 November 2017 09: 43 New
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              Quote: Amurets
              Quote: long in stock.
              almost a countryman. I come from Ekimchan ...

              Why almost? Countrymen. Ogodzh often had to do fuel pumps, and there were acquaintances from Ekimchan.

              You can leave forever and not come back! Forget ---- never !!!!! Good day Far Easterners!
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 21 November 2017 11: 44 New
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                Quote: Reptiloid
                Forget ---- never !!!!! Good day Far Easterners!

                Dima. Thank. You know it better than me. You will not forget our land.
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 21 November 2017 19: 02 New
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                You can’t forget in any way .. now I'm sitting and howling .... grandfathers went for sable already ..
            2. long in stock.
              long in stock. 21 November 2017 19: 01 New
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              well yes. there are two bast shoes on the map it's almost there ....
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 22 November 2017 00: 14 New
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                Quote: long in stock.
                well yes. there are two bast shoes on the map it's almost there ....

                Well, two bast shoes are you bent, and the bast shoe for sure. But in the Far East this is not a distance. And for the sable, yes, before the seventh of November they gathered, on the first snow.
  2. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 21 November 2017 06: 40 New
    +9
    Mmmda.
    "Someone is terribly unlucky
    That even the elevator goes to the depot "
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 21 November 2017 12: 52 New
      +9
      There is a well-known video from a surveillance camera, either Korean or Chinese. In some center, people enter the elevator. The doors close, the elevator leaves. At this moment, a wheelchair user with an electric carriage drives up to him. Apparently, in frustrated feelings of deep frustration that he did not have time, he begins to ram the elevator doors with a stroller. angry The first time it doesn’t work, he moves back, rams again, stubborn. In general, on the third or fourth ram, the door of the elevator doors is bent, and the aggressive disabled person flies down into the shaft ... fellow I will not post the video for ethical reasons, and I do not advise others. hi
      Allegorically - and an excessive desire to get into the stream of the "social elevator" can sometimes lead to an unexpected "fall". request
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 21 November 2017 22: 13 New
        +3
        My brother has a friend. He is disabled, no arms and legs. To him, at one time, the state, from bounty, was allocated the Oka. When a brother sees parking lots at hypermarkets, crammed with "ammaroks and tundra" in wheelchairs, with wheelchairs, he says: "Let me take a picture, I'll send Leha! His state has crashed!" I say this is Peter! It’s not even Moscow. "
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 21 November 2017 22: 58 New
          +4
          well, damn it .. when our state did something good just like that .. My uncle was chopped off, we bought him ourselves. Satisfied. But somehow I watched at the "House of Cinema", as those who without parking badges got into the parking lot for them were taken away by fan on tow trucks! request
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 21 November 2017 06: 47 New
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    Interesting and autobiographical
    Thank you!
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 21 November 2017 07: 52 New
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    I wonder if the grandfather’s library has survived — all these Niva 1899 and so forth?
    We also had Niva's binder and other pre-revolutionary literature. There was even a manuscript monastery book about Peter the 1st to be handed over to the museum (a bug was eating).
    Very interesting reading!
    But almost everything was lost when moving, did not really appreciate what a pity today ....
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 21 November 2017 07: 52 New
    +8
    Of course, the elevator is faster ... The stairs are heavier ... The elevator is faster to go down the stairs, it’s more painful to fall ....
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 21 November 2017 08: 06 New
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      And there are high-speed elevators. But there is still a type like in science fiction --- a cabin 0-transition. After such movements, they don’t fall either on the stairs themselves.
      1. your1970
        your1970 21 November 2017 08: 48 New
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        fall - just a little later ..

        Still, the military persuaded R. Mugabe, but how he sat !!
  6. BRONEVIK
    BRONEVIK 21 November 2017 08: 56 New
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    I didn’t want to live according to Marx
    And autobiographical materials are very interesting
    I greet the author and add his material hi
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 21 November 2017 13: 27 New
      +5
      In vain you are so to Karl Genrikhovich. A smart guy and the right thoughts regarding his thoughts
  7. kalibr
    21 November 2017 10: 20 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    I wonder if the grandfather’s library has survived — all these Niva 1899 and so forth?

    No, of course, they sold everything to a Book Buyer. But now I go all the same I read in the library of the museum and in the regional archive.
  8. Curious
    Curious 21 November 2017 11: 04 New
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    "I wouldn’t want to live according to Marx."

    This is the Frunze bicycle factory “ZIF” in those years when Marx lived incorrectly. There was a whole century, releasing ammunition for the army and bicycles for the people. During the Great Patriotic War, every fourth aerial bomb, mine and art. the shell was equipped with pyrotechnics. products zifovtsev.
    1. Curious
      Curious 21 November 2017 11: 14 New
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      And this is the same factory, but after the victory over Marx. The territory of criminal showdowns and raider seizures.
      1. Curious
        Curious 21 November 2017 11: 20 New
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        And this is an example of the action of social elevators since the victory over Marx.
        The current owner of what was before the "ZIF". The approximate size of the bribe, thanks to which you can take a factory elevator by a social elevator and get paid well at the plant for scrap, amounts to 1 rubles.
        Ascended promises to build a shopping center and residential complex on the territory of the former plant.
        1. BRONEVIK
          BRONEVIK 21 November 2017 11: 28 New
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          I reformulate with your permission.
          I had in mind "living according to the naked theory of Marxism," so to speak.
          And to live according to the Soviet modification of this - the Brezhnev-Andropov model is even nothing.
          With our national model, I would like to.
          And dismantling and raider seizures were carried out unfortunately by the pets of the Soviet system. Poorly raised parasites.
          1. Curious
            Curious 21 November 2017 11: 33 New
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            Why "carried out"? The process is on. In relation to ZIF, this is 2016. So these are the “products” of the new time.
            1. BRONEVIK
              BRONEVIK 21 November 2017 11: 54 New
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              Yes, the process is underway
              Sorry
              Now, the products of a new era have really been added to the old generation - people whose everything is completely atrophied. A generation of Ksenia Sobchak, so to speak
              1. Rey_ka
                Rey_ka 21 November 2017 13: 29 New
                +9
                We are waiting for the raider capture of House 2
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 21 November 2017 14: 06 New
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                  Quote: Rey_ka
                  We are waiting for the raider capture of House 2

                  Preferably without the right to broadcast on television.
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 21 November 2017 11: 51 New
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          ... disgusting ... but the market is littered with Chinese bicycles ...
          1. Curious
            Curious 21 November 2017 12: 09 New
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            The market is flooded with China. Is it just bikes. I already wrote once that I went around all the souvenir shops around the Eiffel Tower, so that my boss could buy one in the form of a souvenir, but not Chinese. Barely found, overpaying five times. But, what is especially striking, the quality of Chinese goods in Europe, America and here is heaven and earth. The Chinese immediately realized that our businessmen taking off on social elevators were ready to take any bullshit, if only to earn more.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 21 November 2017 12: 41 New
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              The Chinese immediately realized that our businessmen taking off on social elevators were ready to take any bullshit, if only to earn more.

              Yes, that is right. Features of the "young" by age frenzied business. Stage of development of society and economy.
            2. Amurets
              Amurets 21 November 2017 13: 24 New
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              Quote: Curious
              The Chinese immediately realized that our businessmen taking off on social elevators were ready to take any bullshit, if only to earn more.

              I agree completely.
              1. Curious
                Curious 21 November 2017 13: 36 New
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                Until the state puts up barriers to this “movement”, nothing will change.
                A vivid illustration, constantly exposed here to ridicule by the "hamsters" of the USA, which are one of China's most stringent foreign trade partners. Chinese companies are doing their utmost to avoid the possibility of applying the “long arm” principle to them, which US companies are guided by, in order to file a lawsuit with their courts. The principle of the “long arm of the USA” is the expansion (distribution) of the USA by the sphere of its jurisdiction to persons and things that, in their opinion, have at least the “minimum necessary connection” (“minimum contact”) with their territory. So the Chinese product in the American store is an example of quality.
            3. Rey_ka
              Rey_ka 21 November 2017 13: 34 New
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              I went into the department store as it was necessary to buy a hammer. The seller asked: ours or Chinese? -What is the difference? - Look! takes the board and first the Chinese hammer hits. the nail head drowned in the head of the hammer. I took ours I hope stronger and the metal is not so soft
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 21 November 2017 13: 45 New
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                Quote: Rey_ka
                I took ours I hope stronger and the metal is not so soft

                You read what is written in small print. I also bought an ax. Until the first bitch. The Russian company is written in large print; it is written in very small print, Made in China. By order of the Russian company seller.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 21 November 2017 14: 06 New
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                  You read what is written in small print. I also bought an ax. Until the first bitch. The Russian company is written in large print; it is written in very small print, Made in China. By order of the Russian company seller.

                  Well, you have something, Nikolai, probably, for sure, everything is Chinese - to cross the river. wink yes, however, everywhere it is. It will be necessary to ask the Good Doctor, whose production on it is a bathrobe, hat and slippers. drinks
                  1. Curious
                    Curious 21 November 2017 14: 15 New
                    +3
                    There are options. China supplies medical equipment to 214 countries, but 40% is the United States, Japan, Germany. Russia is in 7th place. However, medical clothing is one of the main export items. So slippers from the Middle Kingdom are not excluded.
                  2. avva2012
                    avva2012 21 November 2017 15: 08 New
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                    Ah, hell knows whose. This is not a store, there are no price tags. The public service buys a tender, which is cheaper, of course. The same trouble, but through another service, with medical equipment. Clothing in the store, one hundred percent China, although they write that "ours." What pleases, it is the Chinese who learned to make lightning on jeans and jackets, otherwise there is one mark. Everywhere, all the same. The Chinese, well done, we are learning from us how not to do it. Both Mao, the helmsman, and Lenin and Stalin are great teachers, and we argue whether the theory of Marx is correct, whether it is worth burying Lenin in the ground, whether it is necessary to put some kind of fascist goat to a tear, a monument.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 21 November 2017 15: 13 New
                      +3
                      Is there any need for some kind of fascist goat to tear a monument?

                      I will not say anything about the last ... Dig up, tear out again, do not erect a monument. am
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 21 November 2017 15: 24 New
                        +2
                        Some anti-government speeches, I hear, Nikolai laughing laughingAre you against the revolution? wassat
                  3. Amurets
                    Amurets 21 November 2017 16: 23 New
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                    Quote: Mikado
                    Well, you have something, Nikolai, probably, for sure, everything is Chinese - to cross the river

                    Chinese to Chinese strife. The wife and daughter brought things from the interior of the PRC when they went on vacation. There, quality is monitored very strictly. Yes, and tools, electronics from special economic zones brought high-quality. Prices were also 2-3 times higher. But where does the trash in the "Free Trade Zones" come from, I don’t know that. Apparently somewhere in fanboys and basements they produce. It is from these zones that this rubbish spreads over our markets.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 21 November 2017 19: 16 New
                      +3
                      Made-in China and Made-in-RRC products are clearly divided - first produced by anyone (geographical China), second state-owned factories and plants with state accreditation (it’s a little more complicated, but the general meaning is that it releases STATE CHINA). And in the second case, the responsibility lies with the state, and the price of such a product is much higher, and I have not seen it on ALI ...
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 21 November 2017 22: 34 New
          +2
          "The barracks sleep in the camps,
          And in them - lads! "....?
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 21 November 2017 12: 17 New
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    Interestingly hi
    Guys, we will live drinks
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 21 November 2017 22: 38 New
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      Yeah, we'll be sure. But not all, and not for long! But, thanks, with a kind word!
  10. BAI
    BAI 21 November 2017 13: 05 New
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    I did not expect, you know, that in the country of proletarian internationalism, anti-Semitism will flourish in such a magnificent color.

    Why unexpected? He was in the Republic of Ingushetia, he was in the USSR, he is in the Russian Federation. It seems everyone knew and knows. Many even actively participated and are participating.
  11. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 21 November 2017 13: 24 New
    +2
    There used to be a social ladder and in order to climb it you had to go through all the steps. And now they talk about the need for social elevators and the fact that in Russia these elevators do not work or do not exist at all. Those. you cannot go into it to press a button and without making any more effort from a school graduate to become chairman of the board of directors. In my opinion, this thing is strange social elevator.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 21 November 2017 14: 03 New
      +3
      There used to be a social ladder and to climb it you had to go through all the steps

      now she is there too. At McDonald's wink everyone starts by washing lettuce leaves. Well maybe all request Free cash desk! fellow
    2. Curious
      Curious 21 November 2017 14: 19 New
      +4
      "That is, you can’t go into it to press a button and without making any more efforts from a school graduate to become chairman of the board of directors. In my opinion, this is a strange social elevator."
      Nonsense you say. If you have Alekperov’s dad, then you don’t need to press a button either, there is a specially trained person there. You look at the children in power have a look at how they, poor, "scramble" on the social ladder.
      It’s just that now there are a lot of different stairs. Workers have their own, officials have their own. Each social group has its own. As in a joke about the generals of the generals. And on the one that already leads to the top it’s sooo difficult.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 21 November 2017 14: 58 New
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        It’s just that now there are a lot of different stairs. Workers have their own, officials have their own. Each social group has its own. As in a joke about the generals of the generals. And on the one that already leads to the top it’s sooo difficult.

        I am afraid that "nature rests on children." That is, the children of officials and bankers will have an advantage in education and career growth, this is an axiom. But .. If a talented dad (of course, there are also such ones) will shove his son into his structure, will this boy be interested in this lesson? request and now the "new nobility" has already taken shape ... With another twenty years - there will already be "three generations of the families of some managers." yes
        1. Curious
          Curious 21 November 2017 15: 08 New
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          If dad is smart and talented, he will never shove a fool into his structure. I myself came across this, I had a general director who let his numerous relatives go through the factory and left as much as one nephew, whom he had mercilessly torn. The rest were driven out in disgrace or quietly, if they understood what was happening. But there are few such cases.
          And the fact that the lad is not interested ... Someone will work for him. In the end, business owners, if things go wrong, will restore order. But government agencies - here it smells of oil products. There is no owner as such. And cutting the budget is one of the most profitable types of activity. Put the agreed ration on time upstairs and you are a manager from God.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 21 November 2017 15: 51 New
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            If dad is smart and talented, he will never shove a fool into his structure.

            not always. Love of lovers - this is love of lovers. Your CEO was just a very principled and visionary man, I think. There are not many of them.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 21 November 2017 22: 53 New
              +4
              Always, Nikolai, always! Any noomalous person wants his offspring to NOT LIVE, BUT IT BETTER !!! And he fights with seed carriers - the enemies sympathize!
      2. your1970
        your1970 21 November 2017 19: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Curious
        As in a joke about the generals of the generals.
        - a joke, to put it mildly from the last century, I heard it in 1984. So by and large nothing has changedb ....
        1. Curious
          Curious 21 November 2017 19: 37 New
          +3
          Only distances have become greater.
      3. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 22 November 2017 09: 03 New
        +1
        I mean, now the opinion that there is only an “elevator” is being propagated. Getting what you want without effort.
  12. Mikado
    Mikado 21 November 2017 15: 27 New
    +5
    avva2012,
    I am against revolutions, but also against idiocy! stop
    if you are talking about Mannerheim, Alexander, the figure doesn’t deserve this monument “smelling the smell of burnt petroleum jelly on time”. The Finns generally got off extremely cheaply on the totality of war crimes and savagery. Then it’s not for him to put boards, but for King Mihai, and God grant him health! hi
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 21 November 2017 15: 30 New
      +2
      No, I’m talking about those who allow these monuments to be erected, who the young generation pours into their heads so that the boys appear a la vlasov.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 21 November 2017 15: 35 New
        +4
        I don’t know what to say about the boy .. recourse at such an age, in the absence of a patriotic upbringing, that you will sing into your ears, you will speak and will. And ten times the point of view will change by thirty years! The question is, who wrote this text to him, and who was generally concerned with this idea of ​​"reconciling" ... negative it’s not necessary to reconcile here, here the Germans should stand in front of us in the lowest half-bow for another hundred years, preferably on our knees, leaning on our elbows! am (moderators - sorry, that’s the sum total of acts, the great-grandfather himself died). And ordinary people will agree among themselves when they need it. hi
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 21 November 2017 15: 43 New
          +2
          And what is there to know. I’m not talking about a boy, although I hear from my voice that I’m not reading to myself, I supposedly went around and was interested .... It’s hard to lie at that age and even with so many adults. I'm talking about those, of course, that this is writing and inspiring the boys. That would be put in that position under the torn goat, God forgive me. These are not people at all! Not only you, Nikolai, someone died, almost everyone. So ashamed to look at it and live in it all
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 21 November 2017 15: 46 New
            +3
            Not only you, Nikolai, someone died, almost everyone. So ashamed to look at it and live in it all

            I agree with the first and second completely. The boy did not look at the speech, he decided to spare his nerves. Not to spare what exactly he says there. From the situation itself ... no "It's .. just .. some kind of .. shame .." belay (Schwonder)
      2. long in stock.
        long in stock. 21 November 2017 19: 15 New
        +2
        are you now remember olgovich?
        1. Curious
          Curious 21 November 2017 19: 40 New
          +2
          No, it’s they who, apparently, remember Kolenka Desyatnichenko.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 21 November 2017 20: 41 New
            +2
            his half-country commemorates.
            1. Curious
              Curious 21 November 2017 20: 56 New
              +2
              As V.V. Mayakovsky said back in 1914:
              "Listen!
              After all, if the stars are lit -
              means - it is necessary for someone?
              So someone wants them to be? "
    2. your1970
      your1970 21 November 2017 19: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Mikado
      avva2012,
      The Finns generally got off extremely cheaply on the totality of war crimes and savagery. hi
      - just ask yourself a question -WHY? Why did Stalin delete him from Nuremberg?Why has Finland ALWAYS been in favor after WWII?
      Z.Y. and don’t mean about the impossibility of picking him out of Finland — in 1945 they would have pulled in a week. Even at the 40th, when they took seriously, they quickly came to Vyborg. And already in the 45th, after the Wehrmacht, they could not have noticed the Finnish army .. ..
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 21 November 2017 20: 25 New
        +3
        don't tell hi Finns were a cruel and skillful opponent at their theater of operations, and further advancement would become the Red Army anyway tens of thousands of victims. It seems that Stalin did smarter: with this gesture (after the defeat of the main forces of Finland - so to speak, the place that they should occupy), he captured an ally who now had to expose the Germans from Finland (and the Germans left, but there were clashes) and after .. for 70 years we have had a country with which we have normal relations. That is, they taught them lessons once and for all, and then developed normal relations, but the Finns knew that it was better to trade with a neighbor than to fight, and in the case of a buchi they would not block Leningrad, but we would be Helsinki. But the fact that not a single Finnish war criminal has been punished is a tribute to politics .... request
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 November 2017 18: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Mikado
          further advancement would become the Red Army anyway tens of thousands of victims.
          Well, firstly, military equipment in 1945 exceeded everything that Finland could put up, secondly, the army was trained to conduct large-scale battles, thirdly, the loss of ten thousand - yes, a lot - only in the period 41-45 there were a lot of days when they lost 10 in DAY and the commanders are used to it. And the notorious - women give birth
          nothing to do with it - just in other ways it was impossible to defeat SUCH an enemy like the Wehrmacht ....
          and the Finns caught it-and wisely even now are sitting between us and NATO, and the Manerheim board is a reminder to them: they say he was wise and we remember that ... politics ...
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 22 November 2017 21: 50 New
            +2
            And the notorious - women give birth

            my friend, where does this phrase come from - the devil knows him, but certainly not from Stalin, and not from Zhukov. A normal commander has never thought in such categories.
            Well, firstly, military equipment in 1945 exceeded everything - what Finland could exhibit

            excelled. But you read inattentively hi in the field would be superior. In the field, anyone would be crushed, mixed with the ground, or with the contents of a night pot, which was done with the Germans at the end of the war. For the Finns was theater of war. Difficult terrain with a large number of swamps, rivers, forests and lakes, with a small number of roads on which sometimes two cars could not miss each other, where it is extremely difficult to apply equipment. And the Finnish army was very well prepared for operations on this site. Yes, to semi-partisan actions: to mine everything that is possible, to make blockages, to prepare ambushes, to attack flanks through the forest. Finnish shooting training was also good, and morale was high. I repeat once again: they were an extremely dangerous opponent at his theater of operations. Yours faithfully, hi
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 22 November 2017 22: 35 New
              +2
              but who argues that the Finns were a strong adversary. but this is a war not so many armies how many economies. but the Finns would definitely not be able to stand it. no guerrilla could have survived through the forests. but the guerrilla movement without state support is doomed. where to get ammunition and so on?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 22 November 2017 22: 40 New
                +1
                yes, the Finns would be doomed. But here, apparently, three concepts played a role - people, time, diplomacy. Saved people, won time, achieved post-war "peaceful" Finland.
            2. Amurets
              Amurets 22 November 2017 23: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Mikado
              my friend, where does this phrase come from - the devil knows him, but certainly not from Stalin, and not from Zhukov. A normal commander has never thought in such categories.

              Well, if you believe Wasserman: “The origin of the myth and its application The phrase came into the cultural life of the authors of the film“ Peter the Great. ”This phrase is trying to console a young king who suffered a catastrophic defeat during the siege of Narva and mourning the dead soldiers, one of his commanders Sheremetev: “Don’t twist, sir, the women will give birth.” According to this legend, by the way, very many of those who attribute this phrase to Sheremetev add that the tsar hit the future field marshal with all his heart in these words.

              Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/71532-anatoliy-vasse
              rman-baby-esche-narozhayut-otkuda-i-zachem-vzyala
              s-eta-rusofobskaya-falshivka.html
              Politikus.ru
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 22 November 2017 23: 58 New
                +1
                Zhukov definitely did not approve of her, Nikolai. hi And Stalin generally called for protecting people. That is, the phrase is taken out from somewhere, walks around the media, half the people believe in it ... no
                1. your1970
                  your1970 23 November 2017 07: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Zhukov definitely did not approve of her, Nikolai. hi And Stalin generally called for protecting people. That is, the phrase is taken out from somewhere, walks around the media, half the people believe in it ... no

                  1) "And notorious - women give birth- nothing to do with it "- apparently it was necessary to single out immediately so that my attitude was clear. Not one commander(NOT a commander! Anyone can do it for those) - you won’t waste your main resource just like that -
                  people. And it does not require evidence.
                  2) The Finns could carry out partisan actions as much as they want, but in 1940 1,5 our months went to Vyborg.WINTER. We are discussing ЛЕТО 1945 .. Landing in Helsinki, use aircraft, strike simultaneously from all directions. Which in reality happened in 1944-10 June launched an offensive almost from the old border, 20 have already been to Vyborg. Front SECONDARY. In 1945, everything would be even more massive ....
                  And if they were sitting on bushes and mining roads - this would not have any fundamental significance.
  13. midshipman
    midshipman 21 November 2017 17: 38 New
    +5
    There were four enterprises in Penza of the USSR in Penza (in my submission, it was 1978-1988). They released specials. equipment and consumer goods. In Kuznetsk (60 km from Penza) there was an excellent factory working for the country's air defense. There are no enterprises. I have the honor.
  14. VladGashek
    VladGashek 21 November 2017 20: 12 New
    +3
    Of course, social elevators existed, but the lifter and the serviceability of the elevator itself are no less important in this process. For some reason, I was not particularly lucky with either the "elevator" or the elevator. Instead of an “elevator” there was, rather, a staircase: first a university, then 2 years in lieutenants, “jackets”, and then, own climb up. So, elevators are not particularly kind memories, rather - under socialism, the alpine conquest of the summit.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 22 November 2017 00: 58 New
      11
      Maybe it depended on whether we climb into our elevator? I knew from childhood that the army is “you are my love and destiny”, but somehow it did not go right up to the point that the IHC in the RVC recognized it as unsuitable in peacetime at all! I didn’t work anywhere, I didn’t study anywhere (twice after entering university I took the documents back). And it happened! An incredible combination of circumstances and I am a cadet. And then there was a fairy tale. Army. I was born and raised in military camps, the barracks was the second home, so I kind of just returned home smile And here I felt my elevator. Everything worked out for me, I was always lucky, even who hated me, respected for the results. Yes, it was difficult, like everyone else, but I reveled in overcoming, so to speak. Acknowledgments, diplomas, awards, career. He barked with commanders and commanders (including once before a fight, one - it came to the pistols laughing ), with testers, but the elevator still worked. There was even a curiosity - they sent me for "flying" to the "pampas", and a year later I meet a personnel officer at the military council of the army who issued me papers there, he "fell into sediment" laughing In short, our love with the army was mutual. To the shell shock. And the elevator got up. "With the exception of military registration." And who I just was not in the civilian life, what successes I did not achieve, there is not that buzz from life, as in the army. Therefore, I work in every new place until success is consolidated and I am leaving - it is no longer interesting. Here, not only is there no elevator for me, here even the staircase is everywhere a stranger.