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"He couldn't even get technology from the French!" How Modi Rafale Bought

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In the Indian press, materials appeared about a possible corruption component at the conclusion of a transaction for the purchase of multi-purpose Rafale fighters. This is a deal on the acquisition of French-made fighter jets 36, personally approved by the country's prime minister Narendra Modi.


"He couldn't even get technology from the French!" How Modi Rafale Bought


English edition Indian Defense News It comes out with material that speaks about claims against the Indian leadership about the deal with France. In particular, Randip Suryewala, a representative of the Indian Congress, notes that members of the government have violated the military procurement procedure itself. According to the representative of the congress, the cabinet of the country completely ignored the interests of the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd.

From the statement:
10 April, Prime Minister Modi visited France and announced a deal to buy 36 fighter jets "Rafale". This was done unilaterally without complying with the military procurement protocol, without any intergovernmental agreement and in the absence of the Minister of Defense of India. At the same time in France was Anil Ambani.


For reference: Anil Ambani - one of the richest people in India. His fortune is estimated at nearly 14 billion dollars. Has connections in the USA. He is the owner of Reliance Defense Limited. This company has become one of the parties to the transaction.

The amount of the contract with France amounted to 8,7 billion dollars. According to Suryevaly, this is an overpriced purchase price.

From the material:
The time has come for the Prime Minister to answer, why were the planes bought for such huge money? The deal could be made almost three times cheaper. Why they did not insist on the transfer of technology Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd? Why did the government promote Reliance Defense Limited? This is frank lobbying by the head of the cabinet of interests of his friends-capitalists.
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  1. Dimontius
    Dimontius 14 November 2017 19: 06 New
    10
    Now it’s clear why the paddlers threw info about the amers on the pike, in order to offer hawkers from new submarine orders to the Indians)
    1. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 14 November 2017 19: 19 New
      23
      corruption component in the transaction for the acquisition of multi-role fighter Rafale.

      It was unclean all at once .. Such a sharp change among the Indians, when I remember, we had already agreed on the supply of our fighter jets and suddenly .. hehe For a long time the article was here.
      India, how suckers are bred into brilliant military toys from different countries ..
      Well, the flag is in their hands and the elephants are in control, I will not mind them when all the neighbors start to wet them .. negative
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 14 November 2017 20: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        It was unclean all at once .. Such a sharp change among the Indians, when I remember, we had already agreed on the supply of our fighter jets and suddenly .. hehe For a long time the article was here.
        India, how suckers are bred into brilliant military toys from different countries ..
        Well, the flag is in their hands and the elephants are in control, I will not mind them when all the neighbors start to wet them ..

        Good evening . Vitalik in India, any defense order begins with kickbacks, as in many other countries.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 14 November 2017 21: 24 New
        +2
        Well, the flag is in their hands and the elephants are in control, I will not mind them when all the neighbors start to wet them

        is their way to paradise
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 14 November 2017 22: 37 New
        11
        Quote: Bathhouse attendant-M
        .. when I remember already agreed on the supply of our fighters.

        The MiG was confident about winning the competition for 126 light fighters and for some reason did not even present the aircraft at the exhibition, it seems in Bangalore. This untied the hands of a bunch of Indians + French, but the price even soared without technology so that it was limited to 36 cars.
        Of course, there are a lot of questions: how, having Su established production, can someone else buy a car without technology. The answers are also on the surface ..
    2. stas
      stas 14 November 2017 19: 48 New
      12
      There is only one conclusion: under capitalism, they steal everything to a large extent to the extent of their authority, and under Stalin, and even during Brezhnev’s time, they didn’t steal in the USSR as they do now.
      The death penalty for embezzlement on a particularly large scale and the confiscation with a long term of imprisonment prevented many thefts.
      Why do we need a thieves market flea market in Russia?
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 14 November 2017 20: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: stas
        There is only one conclusion: under capitalism, they steal everything to a large extent to the extent of their authority, and under Stalin, and even during Brezhnev’s time, they didn’t steal in the USSR as they do now.
        The death penalty for embezzlement on a particularly large scale and the confiscation with a long term of imprisonment prevented many thefts.
        Why do we need a thieves market flea market in Russia?

        where under Stalin you will roll your comments ???? winked winked laughing laughing laughing
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 14 November 2017 20: 41 New
          +8
          where under Stalin you will roll your comments ????

          And there will be nothing to comment and no one .....
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 14 November 2017 21: 18 New
            10
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            And there will be nothing to comment and no one .....

            Come on, then fear to catch up with that! Everything would be normal: a thief - sat, a teacher - taught, a peasant - sowed, and all together would be calm for the future of their children. But don’t talk about “bloody Stalin”, since the drunk had a tank company, otherwise they would have washed themselves with a blood, worse than in a civilian one.
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 14 November 2017 21: 32 New
              +3
              So what about the speech - everything will be fine, there will be nothing to comment on .....
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 14 November 2017 21: 35 New
                +5
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                So what about the speech - everything will be fine, there will be nothing to comment on .....

                There may be nothing to comment on, but we can share the news. smile
            2. plotnikov561956
              plotnikov561956 15 November 2017 04: 24 New
              0
              For betrayal of the 90s they paid an order of magnitude more than 37 ... and as a result we have not a powerful state, but a colony ..
            3. Skeptic
              Skeptic 15 November 2017 15: 10 New
              0
              I remember my mother told me that my grandfather was tapped into the organs, and so it was right after the war, and the grandfather himself was in the past from the organs, in general the informer and his family were taken away. I don’t know where. Grandfather did not hide what he was doing, but for one moron did not get it, and so his relatives suffered for him. I don’t think that at that time they were very versed in the organs, they were mostly squeezed by anonymous letters. There were many who returned from the camps and played important roles both in the war and in the development of the country.
        2. Woland
          Woland 14 November 2017 21: 39 New
          +1
          Under Stalin, there would be no need to write them!
        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 15 November 2017 00: 33 New
          +2
          "On the fence" tongue laughing
          1. Sars
            Sars 15 November 2017 08: 50 New
            +1
            Why "on the fence"! “Combat leaflet”: “re-educated Sobchak exceeded the plan for collecting uranium dust by 5% and received a bonus in the form of additional soldering”
  2. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 14 November 2017 19: 13 New
    +8
    Shish to you and not technology. It is only RUSSIA that can supply and looking at you how you have become now related to RUSSIA, no one will give them to you. And why do they need a competitor. soldier
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 14 November 2017 19: 40 New
      +6
      I agree, we also need to behave in a tight fist, otherwise we somehow parted painfully. Aircraft carrier, nuclear submarines, ships, planes, missiles. And you don’t give up technologies at all, you don’t like something, well, go look and maybe someone will share other technologies lol .
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 14 November 2017 21: 27 New
        +1
        The United States will give them a lot, yesterday's, which is quite modern for Asia.
        and the Franks kicked us and Amers
        then they will take theirs (loot taxis) and we ??? - the pariahs will die anyway on the porch or in Rafaly - no difference
  3. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 14 November 2017 19: 15 New
    13
    8 \ 700 = 000. Wow . They will harden, how to drink, give a hilt. Or hara-kiri.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 14 November 2017 19: 20 New
      +6
      This is taking into account the training of technical personnel, spare parts and weapons. Although, the amount is still very impressive.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 14 November 2017 20: 37 New
        +8
        Quote: Kurare
        Rafale

        for some reason, with regard to Russia, all this immediately begins to be called corruption and a cut, and here you even have an excuse !!! winked winked wassat wassat laughing laughing
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 14 November 2017 21: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          and here you even have an excuse !!!

          Fasting for the sake of justifying someone or something I did not write. You just need to consider all aspects of the scope of supply. This does not mean that the French "raped" the Indians in this way. wassat
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 14 November 2017 21: 16 New
            +6
            Quote: Kurare
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            and here you even have an excuse !!!

            Fasting for the sake of justifying someone or something I did not write. You just need to consider all aspects of the scope of supply. This does not mean that the French "raped" the Indians in this way. wassat

            what what it was just necessary to write right away that the storage with India was mired in corruption ... without any pilot training there, etc, etc !!! tongue tongue tongue wassat laughing laughing laughing
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 14 November 2017 21: 35 New
              +2
              So I wrote that an impressive amount turned out, even taking into account all the "shortcomings" wink
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 14 November 2017 21: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Kurare
                So I wrote that an impressive amount turned out, even taking into account all the "shortcomings" wink

                it was necessary without any account immediately about corruption !!! wassat tongue tongue tongue laughing
                1. Kurare
                  Kurare 15 November 2017 01: 01 New
                  +2
                  Well, it was necessary to leave a piece of intrigue, not to spread it all at once ... wink
  4. Simon
    Simon 14 November 2017 19: 22 New
    +6
    When the Indians realize that it’s not necessary to put the rich in power: The richer, the more corrupt! fool
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 19: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Simon
      When the Indians realize that it’s not necessary to put the rich in power: The richer, the more corrupt! They do not care about the country, most importantly money. fool

      Actually, this is not a problem in India alone. wink
      1. Going
        Going 14 November 2017 20: 22 New
        10
        Quote: Simon
        When the Indians realize that it’s not necessary to put the rich in power: The richer, the more corrupt! fool


        A double-edged sword, but what about the poor and the hungry who came to power?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 20: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Going
          and what to do to the poor and hungry who came to power?

          I’ll try to guess: to provide for ourselves and my family and all descendants up to the seventh generation, until they have deprived of the “bread” place? wink
          1. Going
            Going 14 November 2017 20: 33 New
            +8
            Now, there is such a popular wisdom - "our troubles are because our kings are poor."
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 20: 43 New
              +3
              Until there is a strict system of punishments for this, cuts and kickbacks cannot be eradicated.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 14 November 2017 20: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Until there is a strict punishment system

                harsh punishment repels only suckers, the most important thing in punishment is its inevitability. Under the USSR, the death penalty was for murder, embezzlement on a particularly large scale, counterfeiting, currency trading ... so what? They killed, stole, printed, sold ...))))
                1. Going
                  Going 14 November 2017 20: 53 New
                  +8
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Until there is a strict system of punishments for this, cuts and kickbacks cannot be eradicated.


                  Again a trivial question - who are the judges? , this is a complex process of creating a civil society, which goes on endlessly winning or losing.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 20: 57 New
                    +2
                    Yes, without an effective and really functioning judiciary, nothing will come of it.
                    1. Going
                      Going 14 November 2017 21: 09 New
                      +8
                      There is not a single country in the world where there are no judicial errors and, unfortunately, this process is very painful and complicated.
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 21: 14 New
                        +1
                        That's it. But it’s better to make mistakes and not do anything without making mistakes. My opinion is this.
                      2. kirgiz58
                        kirgiz58 14 November 2017 21: 24 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Going
                        There is not a single country in the world where there are no judicial errors and, unfortunately, this process is very painful and complicated.

                        If, in the event that a court error is discovered later, a similar sentence is applied to them, then there will be no mistakes, and the manufacturer of the “wrong” case is twice as much as the “wrong” sentence, then the era of justice will come.
                2. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 20: 59 New
                  +2
                  I just offered a solution to the problem as I see it. And how to make punishment inevitable, I’m not an adviser - I don’t have the appropriate education.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 14 November 2017 21: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    I just offered a solution to the problem as I see it

                    so this is not the solution to the problem
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 14 November 2017 21: 13 New
                      +1
                      Quote: verner1967
                      so this is not the solution to the problem

                      And in what? I am pleased to hear your point of view.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 14 November 2017 21: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        And in what? I am pleased to hear your point of view.

                        so why did our dialogue begin
                        Quote: verner1967
                        harsh punishment repels only suckers, the most important thing in punishment is its inevitability.
                  2. Going
                    Going 14 November 2017 21: 12 New
                    +8
                    This is what politicians use ... like we will tell you, help you, there is only one solution - there is common sense of an adult healthy person.
            2. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 15 November 2017 11: 56 New
              0
              And another wisdom: “Poverty can be different. Some people have stale bread, others have small diamonds” ...
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 14 November 2017 20: 48 New
          +3
          and what to do to the poor and hungry who came to power?

          Poor to power?
          Yes, it's in the fairy tale "Golden Antelope".
          In realities, the posts are divided within the highest caste - the brahmanas, all the Indian capital is cooked there ....
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 14 November 2017 19: 33 New
      +2
      Eh. When the Russians will understand it! ...
  5. SNEAKY
    SNEAKY 14 November 2017 19: 39 New
    +7
    laughing Really funny. The Indians, in addition to the film for the movie, can’t trust anything in their hands. That’s when they catapult while standing, then the shirt is short)
  6. bald
    bald 14 November 2017 19: 59 New
    +1
    And India is overwhelmed at the end. Buy provided, along with technology. Here Ambani throws them doubly - first at the purchase price, well, and then sell the technology (a little later) lol
  7. Sergey53
    Sergey53 14 November 2017 20: 09 New
    0
    If he really wanted to get them. Well, very. As in the proverb: "Love is evil, you will love the goat."
    1. nafanal
      nafanal 14 November 2017 20: 35 New
      0
      Here it is. And ... they use it
  8. Going
    Going 14 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +8
    The amount of the contract with France amounted to 8,7 billion dollars. According to Suryevaly, this is an overpriced purchase price.


    And here kickbacks, everything in the world flows in one direction.
  9. Sergei75
    Sergei75 14 November 2017 20: 30 New
    0
    to shoot the traitor, tore off our deal, ours would have sold them the technology ... though they all already know.
  10. family tree
    family tree 14 November 2017 20: 41 New
    +5
    Yes, our stupidly do not catch up what
    We inflate the price tag, every ten
    We begin to bargain, with screams, clapping on the ears, curses and flattery, but at the end of the end, invite a couple of Jews from Odessa wassat
    We reset the price, weep at a loss.
    Fso! Everyone is happy repeat
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 15 November 2017 11: 53 New
      0
      Like Hasek in Schweik: Some Jew sold vodka tinted with onions, passing it off as French cognac. To which the lieutenant said: "If he still says that the French abandoned this cognac, fleeing from Russia in 1812, then shoot him."
  11. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 14 November 2017 21: 09 New
    +2
    It seems clear why Russia has recently been losing an arms tender in India. Well, keeping the French is no less mean than the Anglo-Saxons in their actions, in order to move us away from good orders. It’s good that the helicopter carriers would not burn with them.
  12. faterdom
    faterdom 14 November 2017 21: 50 New
    +1
    To sell is an art, chess will be more complicated, and we have historically made a sinecure for sons and daughters from this industry since the Soviet era (international trade, and especially the arms business). Well and again about Modi: if we were assured that “a cook can manage the state” (in fact, they didn’t let a single cook go), then Indians, after a thousand-year tradition of caste, Modi, is the first leader from the “untouchables” who recently even the status of peasants did not shine. From dirt to Kings!
    1. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 15 November 2017 00: 04 New
      +2
      Who assured you that a cook could manage the state? Maybe it’s time to leave all these myths from the 90s alone, when the leaders of the Soviet era were credited with what could not be, just to denigrate the Soviet regime.
  13. Domestic cat
    Domestic cat 14 November 2017 23: 24 New
    0
    Airplanes were sold to Indians, now multiplied by 10 and now the happy owners of Rafaley may have technologies. When they compare the total costs with the price that they could pay us ... they will weep and bang their heads about something. crying
  14. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 15 November 2017 00: 02 New
    +2
    Honest and not prone to corruption fair-faced Frenchmen who criticize bribe-taking everywhere, no matter where they go, dumped a rather feeble jackpot to high-ranking Indian leaders.
    1. racha4
      racha4 16 November 2017 13: 30 New
      0
      Are they honest and unwilling?)) In the elections, who flew out of the race in France for nepotism? Wives and other relatives are attached to warm places, when a sheep gives a not weak head start on mental abilities, these relatives.)) And they squeak to the whole world. ..Well, we know who's screaming-hold the thief!
  15. shans2
    shans2 15 November 2017 05: 56 New
    0
    In fact, this is good, the Indian military should compare what% of fitness will be after a couple of years of operation of gentle toad airplanes)). We have an anti-vandal technique against a fool, and then the Indians manage to break it, because they do not comply with either safety precautions or service standards.
  16. SEERforSEER
    SEERforSEER 15 November 2017 10: 10 New
    0
    Quote: SarS
    Why "on the fence"! “Combat leaflet”: “re-educated Sobchak exceeded the plan for collecting uranium dust by 5% and received a bonus in the form of additional soldering”

    "Khodorkovsky overfulfilled the plan for tailoring gloves by 260% and committed to exceed the plan next month by 450%"
  17. SEERforSEER
    SEERforSEER 15 November 2017 10: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Sergei75
    shoot the traitor, tore off our deal, ours would have sold them the technology ...though everyone already knows them.

    Have you sold for a hamburger?
  18. Eflintuk
    Eflintuk 15 November 2017 11: 45 New
    0
    If we don’t know how to trade and who we need to roll back, then why are the Indians to blame? And Hindu corruption is their internal affair.
  19. exo
    exo 15 November 2017 12: 03 New
    0
    India is very inconsistent in its aspirations. And not a single country, being in their right mind, will pass on breakthrough technologies to it. Indians themselves, as life shows, are not able to build. And if a conflict occurs, they will be tormented with this hodgepodge of weapons.
  20. racha4
    racha4 16 November 2017 13: 24 New
    0
    So the Indians got into a corruption scandal! Maybe our "hackers" troll them, so to speak, for abandoning our fighters? In any case, the price of Rafael is sky-high!