Two imperialists - Stalin and Putin: how they see it in the West

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Russians again confess "Stalinist imperialism." That is how things are under Putin, some Western analysts say.

Two imperialists - Stalin and Putin: how they see it in the West

Lenin and his colleagues. Photo: Flickr, CC BY-SA 2.0 license




Comrade Lenin is now criticized for Soviet “authoritarianism,” but Lenin’s struggle against Russian and Western imperialism is underestimated. "InoTV" material magazine "The Wire".

The fact is that after the collapse of the USSR and the Yeltsin era, Russia did not return to the “anti-imperialist legacy of Lenin”, but to “Stalin’s imperialism aimed at genocide,” Rohini Hensman reports in The Wire.

Lenin was a champion of the liberation of the peoples of the Russian Empire, and in this he was supported by the majority of the leaders of the Bolshevik Party. But many were opposed, and the first was Joseph Stalin.


Comrade Stalin, 1935 g. Photo: Wikimedia Commons


The policy of Stalin, in the opinion of the author of the publication, turned out to be the “complete opposite” of Lenin's policy. “In 1930-ies, Stalin committed massacres of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and clergy and forcibly seized the grain from the Ukrainian peasants, which led to the death of millions,” quotes Hensmann, “InoTV”.

American historian Timothy Snyder recalls that “in the period from 1943 to 1944. Karachays, Kalmyks, Chechens and Ingushs, Balkarians, Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks were completely relocated - those who could not leave were killed, their villages were burned to the ground. ” In addition, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact had a “strong imperialistic orientation,” and Stalin himself “was an effective accomplice to the Nazis during the first two years of World War II.”

Later, after the Yalta Conference, “subordinate to Moscow regimes” were established in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and East Germany. And this model looks like “American imperialism with the establishment of the power of friendly dictators and military intervention in the event of a threat of overthrow of the regime,” Hensman believes.

Next in the Soviet stories Mikhail Gorbachev appeared. This man tried to return "to Lenin's anti-imperialism." But he did not succeed, because the Stalinist hawks staged a coup and put Gorbachev under house arrest. This strengthened the power of Boris Yeltsin and (paradox) accelerated the collapse of the USSR.

And now Vladimir Putin has returned to “imperialist politics”. According to the author, he began "with a cruel war against independent Chechnya," and ended with "the annexation of the Crimea."

The author’s conclusion: Lenin’s anti-imperialist legacy has been completely “repressed”.

Curiously, we note that one of the key figures in the return from “Stalinism” to “Leninism”, Western experts find Mikhail Gorbachev. However, this general secretary-president was prevented: Yeltsin, in a “paradoxical” way, engaged in the collapse of the USSR, and Putin inherited not the Leninist historical line, but the Stalinist one.

However, the story is the story that she studies the past. Futurists look into the future - and for the most part their predictions are unsuccessful. Let us see how Putin’s role in the history of Russia and the world’s historians of the future will be assessed. To consider him a kind of receiver of Stalin's ideas is at least amusing. With the same success, it can be argued that Russia of the 21st century is leading the people to communism, fighting against religious prejudices and defending the rights of working people all over the world.

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  1. +26
    14 November 2017 07: 47
    It seems that any action aimed at protecting the national interests of Russia causes a form of hysteria in the west ... There is one peculiarity ... if they scold us, then we are doing everything right ...
    1. +7
      14 November 2017 07: 53
      good Logically ... hi The report is completed, because there is nothing to add ...
      1. +5
        14 November 2017 08: 05
        The conclusion of the (foreign) author: Lenin's anti-imperialist legacy is completely “crowded out”.
        Curiously, we note that one of the key figures in the return from “Stalinism” to “Leninism”, Western experts find Mikhail Gorbachev. However, this general secretary-president was prevented: Yeltsin, in a “paradoxical” way, engaged in the collapse of the USSR, and Putin inherited not the Leninist historical line, but the Stalinist one.
        A foreign “storyteller” can “reason” and write whatever he wants about RI / USSR / RF, because he does not live in Russia and is not accountable to her! You can’t shut his mouth with a rag from a distance.
        Therefore, with his "nonsense" to let him wipe for decency objective criticism - and not notice, ignore, his existence as a scientist, after!
        1. +5
          14 November 2017 08: 23
          Long time no see, glad immensely ... feel
          1. +2
            14 November 2017 08: 37
            I recognized you, Alexy Ivanovich, too! hi
            Cheerful and positive for you all day! drinks
            1. +3
              14 November 2017 09: 44
              It’s at least funny to consider him a kind of receiver of Stalin’s ideas.
              I don’t see anything funny, I agree with the comparison - both restore the power after the liberals of the destroyers ... and it's not the name of the party - Lenin is the destroyer like Gorbachev
              for me so the browser is no less nonsense ..
              1. +9
                14 November 2017 11: 34
                Quote: dik-nsk
                for me so the browser is no less nonsense ..

                And I am so proud of Stalin. How many years he has not been, and from his name, these little earplugs still shudder. Yes
              2. +5
                14 November 2017 18: 19
                Quote: dik-nsk
                It’s at least funny to consider him a kind of receiver of Stalin’s ideas.
                I don’t see anything funny, I agree with the comparison - both rebuild power after liberal destroyers..


                I almost agree with you ... hi
                Except one ... Putin himself, personally, publicly, considers himself a liberal ...
                Alas... request
                1. +3
                  14 November 2017 22: 26
                  Quote: weksha50
                  Quote: dik-nsk
                  It’s at least funny to consider him a kind of receiver of Stalin’s ideas.
                  I don’t see anything funny, I agree with the comparison - both rebuild power after liberal destroyers..


                  I almost agree with you ... hi
                  Except one ... Putin himself, personally, publicly, considers himself a liberal ...
                  Alas... request


                  Putin is a Chekist. Not everything he says should be true. Liberalism is a political and philosophical doctrine that advocates reducing government interference in the life of citizens. On the other hand, Putin is strengthening statehood and governance mechanisms in the state. But he is trying to teach citizens that no one will fight for their rights for them. Therefore, we slurp capitalism, but do not choke. It’s just a process of educating people. It is instructive to exhort, as the Communists did, to no avail. The 91st showed. So it is necessary for the population to be vaccinated - to pass on all the rakes, after removing all sharp objects. As the bumps are filled in half force, they themselves will guess what needs to be done. Wise policy. But Putin’s century may not be enough ..
                  1. 0
                    15 November 2017 18: 55
                    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                    it is necessary for the population to be vaccinated - to let go through all the rakes, after removing all sharp objects. As the bumps are filled in half force, they themselves will guess what needs to be done. Wise policy. But Putin’s century may not be enough ..



                    Hmm ... I agree ... hi
                    However ... what about the bumps ... What, haven't they filled a lot yet? recourse
                    But the fact that Putin’s century may not be enough is true ... What I personally regret ...
                    As I imagine that the “newest-most liberal-oligarchic” will come, how it will begin to destroy the remnants of the “plebs,” which prevents the country from being sold out to the end, it becomes so scary ...
      2. +4
        14 November 2017 08: 07
        If you believe the Russian historical events, then something there, beyond the hillock, they didn’t talk about us, they still get it in the face when they themselves come in person.
        1. +16
          14 November 2017 08: 57
          In the 1930 years, Stalin committed the massacres of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and clergy and forcibly seized grain from Ukrainian peasants, which led to the deaths of millions


          The little article is a vulgar and mediocre attempt to denigrate our History. Judging by the wretchedness of the content, the Ukrainians Natsik had a hand in hand.
          1. +3
            14 November 2017 10: 35
            Quote: Monos
            The little article is a vulgar and mediocre attempt to denigrate our History. Judging by the wretchedness of the content, the Ukrainians Natsik had a hand in hand.

            The article is provocative, like: I do not agree with them, but they, bastards, think so, what can I do? The conclusion in the article contradicts the main statements. Maybe enough foreign analysts who are similar in their statements to ancient ukrov, quote? Maybe it's time to publish the analytics of our Russian Fursov?
          2. +6
            14 November 2017 10: 38
            Quote: Monos
            In the 1930 years, Stalin committed the massacres of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and clergy and forcibly seized grain from Ukrainian peasants, which led to the deaths of millions


            The little article is a vulgar and mediocre attempt to denigrate our History. Judging by the wretchedness of the content, the Ukrainians Natsik had a hand in hand.

            The article’s author’s eco hooked, in fact, Stalin struggled with world imperialism, and here he was recorded in the imperialists. The American historian M. Tauger, who showed a true picture of the famine of 1932–1933 on the Holodomor, has: 1) in 1932 there was a very severe crop failure that led to famine; 2) the crop failure was caused by an unusual combination of a variety of reasons, among which drought played a minimal role, the main role was played by plant diseases, the unusually wide spread of pests and grain shortages associated with the 1931 drought, rain during sowing and harvesting; 3) the crop failure led to a severe famine, which spread not only throughout Ukraine, but practically throughout the USSR, especially in the North Caucasus and the Volga region; 4) the Soviet leadership, and in particular Stalin, failed to obtain information on the extent of the famine; 5) because of the drought of 1931, Stalin and the Politburo did not have reserves of bread, but did everything in their power to reduce human losses from hunger, and took all measures so that hunger would not be repeated; 6) the role of resistance of the peasants of collectivization and the role of lack of draft power in the occurrence of hunger were greatly exaggerated in previous publications.
    2. +37
      14 November 2017 07: 58
      Putin is still very far from Stalin, and reading Western idiots and local liberalism No.
      1. +15
        14 November 2017 08: 26
        According to foreigners
        Further in Soviet history arose Mikhail Gorbachev. This person tried to return "to Leninist anti-imperialism". But nothing came out of him, because "Stalinist hawks" staged a coup and put Gorbachev under house arrest. This strengthened the power of Boris Yeltsin and (paradox) accelerated the collapse of the USSR.
        Foreigners deliberately twist the Stalinism scruff of the neck and turn the neoconservatively substitute genuine concepts!
        1. +7
          14 November 2017 08: 43
          As he looked into the water. Everything is exactly about our time.
        2. +3
          14 November 2017 18: 30
          Quote: Tatiana
          genuine concepts!

          Stalin even when he said this, but how ingeniously he foresaw, and this can be said, and how he foresaw that this could happen, because everything he said exactly happened in the 90s ..
      2. +6
        14 November 2017 08: 49
        Quote: 79807420129
        Putin is still very far from Stalin .....


        Putin and Stalin have a multidirectional vector of the country's development, therefore, every year Putin only gets farther from Stalin ... bully
      3. +6
        14 November 2017 10: 11
        Putin is still very far from Stalin ....

        Yes, not just far away ... but, like a crustacean to the moon ...
        Under Stalin I.V. this agency was burned for a long time, regardless of its location, London or San Francisco, and the author was in a local morgue ...
        Gentlemen, the "foreigners" have not yet seen imperial ambitions - from East Berlin to the Sea of ​​China, from the North Pole to Tehran ....
        Roosevelt and Churchill, not a couple of the current clowns Trump and May, spoke in half voice about Stalin in their home in Washington and London ....
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    4. +9
      14 November 2017 09: 18
      Quote: Vard
      if they scold us, then we are doing everything right ...

      The closer the presidential election dates in Russia, the more sophisticated the nonsense of patients of local psychiatric hospitals, hiding under the signs of “honest and independent” experts, will be more sophisticated.
      "The main thing is to carry a blizzard with a smart look, putting one hand on the Bible, and the other in your pocket." A.Rodchenkov.
      1. +1
        14 November 2017 18: 26
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        "The main thing is to carry a blizzard with a smart look, putting one hand on the Bible, and the other in your pocket." A.Rodchenkov.


        Claim Goebbels Laurels? recourse
        1. +4
          14 November 2017 19: 49
          Quote: weksha50
          Claim Goebbels Laurels?

          Not at all....
          The main motivation of Judah from Russian sports ....
    5. +1
      14 November 2017 13: 36
      Quote: Vard
      It seems that any action aimed at protecting the national interests of Russia causes a form of hysteria in the west ... There is one peculiarity ... if they scold us, then we are doing everything right ...


      Yes, everyone there is violet to Russia - except for a couple of dozens of populists of politicians who make a name for themselves on the board.
      Just kick Russia, has become an indicator of loyalty in the political elite of Europe.

      But about the common people, this is not to say - they have enough worries even without distant Russia.
      Some Westerners, of course, are also subject to propaganda, but much less so than in Russia — nevertheless they are used to the fact that politicians “feed” the population with “correct propaganda,” while in Russia many people eat “political propaganda” for the truth.
  2. +12
    14 November 2017 07: 49
    Two imperialists - Stalin and Putin
    Horses mixed in a bunch, people ....
    That's for sure semolina in the heads of these analytes! wassat wassat
    1. +2
      14 November 2017 07: 50
      No ... what semolina doesn’t look like in their heads ... more like a vital product ...
      1. +3
        14 November 2017 08: 01
        Final product ..... You forgot to specify hi
  3. +11
    14 November 2017 07: 49
    Russians confess againStalinist imperialism».
    fool Western clowns reached their limit in their insanity.
    Putin is also secretly in contact with aliens. And Russia uses alien technology. And through the Internet, it irradiates the Western people. bully
  4. +12
    14 November 2017 07: 51
    Commenting on such a margin does not even make sense. Lenin and Stalin pursued the same policy. Here the Nazis were dragged along with the "enslaved" peoples. In general, the whole set of Western patterns and propaganda that are not logically related.
    1. +2
      14 November 2017 08: 04
      Quote: Altona
      Commenting on such a margin does not even make sense. Lenin and Stalin pursued the same policy. Here the Nazis were dragged along with the "enslaved" peoples. In general, the whole set of Western patterns and propaganda that are not logically related.

      No wonder ... A long reading of Western periodicals will inevitably lead to a classic redirect ... well, like a doctor for a long time, who sat in the ward alone.
      1. +2
        14 November 2017 08: 22
        Sources of this opus are taken from social networks and periodicals. Therefore, nothing surprising.
    2. +8
      14 November 2017 08: 10
      Quote: Altona
      and "enslaved" nations.

      By the way, the stamp about "enslaved peoples" has a very specific author - Goebbels
  5. +14
    14 November 2017 07: 53
    Russians again confess "Stalinist imperialism." That is how things are under Putin, some Western analysts say.

    The Western liberation cannot understand that we criticize Putin not because he is “too Putin”, but because he is “not enough Stalin”! Yes
  6. +4
    14 November 2017 07: 56
    Quote: Observer2014
    Russians confess againStalinist imperialism»

    And it pleases, the main thing, that it’s not Gorbachev’s or Yeltsin’s betrayal and idiocy.
  7. +5
    14 November 2017 08: 02
    to “Stalin’s imperialism aimed at genocide»

    Well, if the current policy of Russia is aimed at genocide, then the Western "experts" in our country should go to rest and not stick out their dense stupidity. It is clear that everything that happens in Russia not only infuriates them, but also frightens them with their openness and desire to resolve their issues without someone else's prompting. But do not fall to the same extent.
  8. +4
    14 November 2017 08: 14
    Torchki, as always, are extremely logical from their bell tower. Ivan 4, Nikolai 1, Stalin, now Putin is a villain. Because the bolt was laid on them. Hiss, like a snake, but scary to them, och. fearfully . No, don’t rush, cowardly too.
  9. +6
    14 November 2017 08: 16
    Quote: 79807420129
    Putin is still very far from Stalin, and reading Western idiots and local liberalism No.

    Exactly!
  10. +4
    14 November 2017 08: 18
    Quote: iliitch
    Torchki, as always, are extremely logical from their bell tower. Ivan 4, Nikolai 1, Stalin, now Putin is a villain. Because the bolt was laid on them. Hiss, like a snake, but scary to them, och. fearfully . No, don’t rush, cowardly too.

    They will not rush, for they have long understood, it will not work to take us by force, only from the inside!
  11. 0
    14 November 2017 08: 25
    And do not send this West in Russian, to hell?
    1. +4
      14 November 2017 08: 29
      No way. Partners, their mom so.
      1. +6
        14 November 2017 08: 40
        It's a pity. If they could bend, and even poorer, the floor at 44 - let the local interpreters dismantle them until the blue and white “great and mighty” delights were found. feel
        1. +5
          14 November 2017 08: 44
          Yes, I do not mind, only they still do not understand a damn (a plant). That Kuzma’s mother, that Sidora’s goat, for them is a dark forest. Let them sit cancer behind a stone. laughing
      2. 0
        14 November 2017 08: 54
        Partners, speak? Then write two pages in 5th font, ext. articles in contracts. Will be, consider the same as
        Quote: bratchanin3
        send this West in Russian, where to hell?

        .
        1. +5
          14 November 2017 09: 01
          Dimon does not have enough brains for two pages. Do not wake him, let him sleep. He is tired.
      3. +1
        14 November 2017 13: 18
        Partner, this is when together, in one bundle, and not with the “stone” in the bosom.
  12. +3
    14 November 2017 08: 29
    Quote: Observer2014
    Russians confess againStalinist imperialism».
    fool Western clowns reached their limit in their insanity.
    Putin is also secretly in contact with aliens. And Russia uses alien technology. And through the Internet, it irradiates the Western people. bully

    Well, as Ragozin said, which for some is like a red rag for a bull, if they say, then there is no need to refute anything: Putin and reptilians, yes, now they have a glider! Alien technology, yes, just three full starships brought up! The Russians want to create an empire, they just received petitions to the highest name from ten cosmic nations to join the Russian Federation as subjects of the Federation!
    And let their stupid things burst from their own idiocy!
    1. +3
      14 November 2017 08: 49
      Quote: Evrodav
      Putin and reptilians, yes, now they have a glider! Alien technology, yes, just three full starships brought up! The Russians want to create an empire, they just received petitions to the highest name from ten cosmic nations to join the Russian Federation as subjects of the Federation!
      And let their stupid things burst from their own idiocy!

      wassat There is no stock of coke in Colombia so that they realize this. They will switch to button accordions with gerych. This will be INTERVENTION and DIVERSION, otherwise all the elections, some hackers.
  13. +2
    14 November 2017 08: 34
    Quote: Altona
    Commenting on such a margin does not even make sense. Lenin and Stalin pursued the same policy. Here the Nazis were dragged along with the "enslaved" peoples. In general, the whole set of Western patterns and propaganda that are not logically related.

    According to Lenin: Russia is brushwood for fomenting a world revolution! According to Stalin: socialism in a single country! Well, just the "one" policy?
  14. +2
    14 November 2017 08: 47
    All the same anaLitik Russian word
  15. BAI
    +2
    14 November 2017 08: 53
    All verbiage for the sake of this phrase:
    "Was an effective Nazi accomplice during the first two years of World War II."

    Then “2 years” will disappear, the next step will be to replace the “accomplice” with the “culprit” and the goal will be achieved.
  16. +2
    14 November 2017 08: 55
    This is what an owl looks like it is pulled over a globe .. there is absolutely no desire to discuss the essence of the article ..
  17. +2
    14 November 2017 09: 08
    Under Stalin, the country's resources went into its development, factories were built, education and medicine were free and accessible, and under Putin, the main source of budget revenue was the sale of oil and gas over a hill.
    1. 0
      14 November 2017 10: 33
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Under Stalin, the country's resources went to its development

      that is, the sale of resources - to the budget - the development of the country
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      To Putin, the main source of budget revenue is the sale of oil and gas over a hill.

      ??????? show at least one difference!
      1. +3
        14 November 2017 11: 30
        Quote: sogdy
        ??????? show at least one difference!

        please
        Under Putin, 3,61% for 2016 ... resources under Stalin were not sold abroad, but went to the consumption of their own industry
        1. +2
          14 November 2017 11: 40
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          .. resources under Stalin were not sold abroad, but went to the consumption of their own industry

          Tatycho! Ukrouchebnik? Wiki
          Agricultural products are not resources? Coal, ore, oil?
        2. +1
          14 November 2017 19: 06
          Yes, most of what was done in the USSR in 50 years was spent on providing and feeding half of the world - thanks for that.
  18. +2
    14 November 2017 09: 27
    Article Nonsense. There is no point in discussing.
    1. 0
      14 November 2017 15: 13
      More precisely: the review provided at VO is good, but the reviewed materials are bad! But at the expense of delirium ... The fact is that quantity has the property of turning into quality! The number of such publications is growing statistically - and, accordingly, leads to the formation of public opinion. In fact, such materials, and to the heap and scandals with WADA with varying degrees of obsession and delusionality, there is preparation for the WAR. The present war. By the way, the writer (including) Sergei Anisimov well disclosed this topic in the trilogy "The Day Before Tomorrow"
      1. +3
        14 November 2017 17: 12
        I agree with this, the situation around us is getting closer to a war of one kind or another. They hope that after the start of the database we prefer to give up. That's what they are preparing public opinion in Russia (or rather trying). But we don’t want to give up and it will start .... As they said? Every hundred years, they try Russia for strength? It looks like the time has come ...
  19. +3
    14 November 2017 09: 29
    Quote: Vard
    It seems that any action aimed at protecting the national interests of Russia causes a form of hysteria in the west ... There is one peculiarity ... if they scold us, then we are doing everything right ...

    Correctly we can that the originality of the people is preserved ... but the fact that our bar had a falling out with the bars of the other side, it just happened. Someone turned out to be greedier than the opposite side wanted \ allowed. The people simply turned out to be the most guilty of all, from all sides ... because he, the people, wants to live normally! At the moment, the alternatives are seen as very foggy, and therefore it is necessary to support, although not for the sick people, but their own bars !!!
  20. 0
    14 November 2017 09: 30
    Talking about Lenin and Stalin, comparing them with several paragraphs is extremely unwise. I won’t even comment ...
  21. +1
    14 November 2017 09: 31
    No, well, I understand that their education is even worse than ours! But to be so ahem short-sighted like this Hesman, this must be managed. But where is Putin and where is Stalin! The greatness of the figures is not even close comparable and not in favor of Putin.
  22. 0
    14 November 2017 10: 26
    Quote: Vard
    It seems that any action aimed at protecting the national interests of Russia causes a form of hysteria in the west ... There is one peculiarity ... if they scold us, then we are doing everything right ...

    It doesn’t look like it is.
  23. +1
    14 November 2017 10: 58
    Russians again profess "Stalinist imperialism." Yes, that’s okay.
    The West professes "Hitler fascism" again! What will we do with the West?
    Let's go or will we send Iskander?
    1. +4
      14 November 2017 11: 25
      Yes, they confess a lot of things, in entom enlightened and other West.
      They themselves will get there where it is necessary ... with their then-tolerant, democratic approach!
  24. +2
    14 November 2017 11: 22
    Maybe he should grow a mustache, for greater compliance, so to speak.
  25. 0
    14 November 2017 11: 42
    Responsibility for the expulsion of peoples lies with Suslov! He just in a crowd of people evicted. And he needed to understand the problem. In addition, Stalin was against such a person in such matters and directions. When he was appointed to international affairs, Stalin, learning about this, demanded his removal, since he did not even know a single language. But Stalin was sick from the fall of 45 and was on sick leave for 8 months. He survived 3 strokes and died from 4! Historian Yuri Zhukov!
    1. +1
      14 November 2017 15: 21
      Much has been said about the expulsion of peoples. However, with a careful examination of this dramatic (and tragic as well) topic, it becomes clear that under it it had severe grounds. Collaborationism among individual representatives of the deported peoples, multiplied by the peculiarities of mentality (clan system, mutual responsibility ...) when applying the legislation then in force, would lead to the expulsion of a huge part of these peoples to the camps. A balanced decision was made - to relocate peoples. This decision was tough, but more sparing
  26. +1
    14 November 2017 19: 22
    Yes, it’s for you gentlemen, it’s not Gorbachev’s slapping on the shoulder or pouring a full glass on Yeltsin.