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How do wars start?

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Has November 7 started a new war on Bandera Ukraine, or not? This is a continuation of the civil strife of Maidan, or it is the development of democracy on the way to Europe, as Western politicians assure us. Margaret Thatcher at one time gave such a definition of modern democracy - this is a war of all against all, then the Bandera Eurodemocrats are right in their own way!




In general, this is not a simple question, sometimes it does not have an exact answer, like the date of 22 June 1941 of the year. When did the 1917 revolution of the year begin: with the December lines in St. Petersburg for bread, or with the creation of the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Soviet? There is also a question in Ukraine today.

Maidan Saakashvili 7 November passed without serious excesses, but was a step in the radicalization of its requirements. If the Verkhovna Rada does not fulfill the requirements of this third Maidan, Saakashvili promises to organize a "march of millions" and launch the "people's impeachment" of the president: "Poroshenko will leave power, but without money and not far." From the direct call for the overthrow of Poroshenko Maidan separates only one “if”. If he is not, a sequel has already been declared: “The wrong ones were attacked, freaks! I'm Mikhail Saakashvili! The people of Ukraine ... will take you away from power, bastards, freaks! ”

The chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Nazi-Azov, Arsen Avakov, accused the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine of political persecution of his son and the ministry, that is, of political corruption. Ex-Deputy Minister Avakov detained, his son is wearing an electronic bracelet: NABU is clearly approaching Avakov. Who is behind NABU? Some people nod to the US embassy, ​​others to Poroshenko, or maybe this is their joint operation?

The silovik of the third Maidan, the ex-battalion commander of the Donbass seizure, Semyon Semenchenko, assures that they will act peacefully, his people “do not plan to take Rada by storm”. I just reassured: I gave the parliament time to still live ... This means that the Maidan is disciplined, obeys orders — this is a special operation, it is waiting for the command “from above”. Although Shkiryak, Avakov's adviser, was still beaten up on the Maidan, as well as the People's Deputy Barna, but they did not file a lawsuit against the Maidan.

This time, Maidan did not receive an order to storm the Rada, but did not receive an order to disperse either. And he laid the prerequisites for the dual power in the country with his slogan: “The government must withdraw and announce the early presidential and parliamentary elections.”

Power, in the face of Poroshenko, all this is silent. This is paradoxical, but for Poroshenko, like Avakov, he said, calling the third Maidan "rubbish". Peter did not say anything about the Maidan, he made only one loud "rocket" statement on the Donbas.

In general, Saakashvili promises some kind of fiction: “a peaceful change of power at all levels”. How is this? Here it is: the people's deputy and Maidan representative in the Rada Yuri Derevyanko introduced a bill on the removal of Poroshenko from the government by voting in the Rada, without investigation and constitutional dust. Perhaps ... I'm glad under the leadership of Nazi Andrei Parubiy is capable of anything! To declare Russia an “aggressor and occupier” in the law on the reintegration of Donbass - it is already not enough for her, it is decided to sever diplomatic relations, and there it is not far to the declaration of war. Worse, Bandera will not be anymore ...

Russia's position on Bandera Ukraine is also tightening. At the Valdai Club in Sochi, Vladimir Putin said for the first time that “armed seizure of power in Ukraine led to terror,” and Europe is responsible for this. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, one might say, continues Putin, and, no longer embarrassed in expressions, demands from Kiev "to stop the excesses of the neo-Nazi punks." At the same time, “special responsibility is on Washington, which, in the manual mode, directs the Kiev authorities.” It seems that Lavrov responded to Kurt Volker on his peacemaking initiative, which led to the shelling of Donbass and the strengthening of the "neo-Nazi punks" in Kiev around the third Maidan.

“We are at a complete impasse in the negotiation process on the settlement in the Donbas,” admitted OSCE head Tomas Greminger, which summed up the diplomatic fencing of Kurt Walker in the Donbas by peacekeepers. He buried the "Minsk" to get into the peace impasse. Volker, as the plenipotentiary representative of the United States, can also become a political funeral of the Bandera regime, according to the formula: we (USA - V.К.) gave birth to you - we will kill you. In order not to discredit the good name of America. As our US expert Nikolai Zlobin recalled recently, they always have “Plan B” in reserve, that is, they always play a double game, which they sometimes admit through 50 years ...

After the statements and accusations made, all the ways back from the third Maidan are cut off both to its participants and its opponents, now only forward, but where? The artillery war against the Donbass can be continued, but what will it evolve into? Artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Novorossia (VSN) hit the mark very well in response, the artillery batteries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ammunition depots are covered with fire, so one thing is clear: there will be no Bandera Avenue in Donetsk!
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  1. svp67
    svp67 10 November 2017 18: 04 New
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    All that is happening in Ukraine is just pushing the Poroshenko regime to war with Russia. And if someone does not understand this, then I am sorry for this person. And one can only hope that there are no such people in the Russian leadership.
    1. The black
      The black 10 November 2017 18: 31 New
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      The main goal of the West is the collapse and partition of Ukraine. Only Kiev region can remain from Ukraine. How it will happen, through the war with Russia, to which they are pushed in every possible way or through the next "revolution" with provocations against the same Ukrainian Poles, Hungarians, Romanians in order to give an occasion to Poland, Hungary, etc. will rush to "protect" ethnic relatives I do not know. Any scenario is possible.
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2017 18: 40 New
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        Quote: Black
        The main goal of the West is the collapse and partition of Ukraine

        West deeply spit on the Russian citizens BORDER, which we, according to the old tradition, call Ukraine. They NEED WAR, but not with their own hands and now they are able to achieve this
        1. Smog
          Smog 10 November 2017 18: 54 New
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          Quote: svp67
          West deeply spit on Russian citizens

          The West just as deeply spit on all Ukrainians. They need them as long as the west has its own gesheft there. After the deriban, a territory with millions of impoverished people and a completely buried economy will not be needed for them. But they will take her to the last.
          1. volodya
            volodya 11 November 2017 10: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Smog
            The West just as deeply spit on all Ukrainians. They need them as long as the west has its own gesheft there. After the deriban, a territory with millions of impoverished people and a completely buried economy will not be needed for them. But they will take her to the last.

            I agree! But after a complete collapse, they can give the remnants of Ukraine to Russia so that we can restore the broken and ruined territories!
            1. Svetlana Ivanova-NT
              Svetlana Ivanova-NT 11 November 2017 22: 42 New
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              Has everyone restored their territories?
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 11 November 2017 00: 39 New
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          SLAVES - desperate warriors. And the fewer they remain the easier ...
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 11 November 2017 10: 39 New
          +2
          all the way back from the third Maidan is cut off to both its participants and its opponents, now only forward, but where
          ALWAYS TIME GOES FORWARD The outskirts cannot turn the tide of history.
      2. Bosch
        Bosch 10 November 2017 18: 52 New
        +5
        The West’s goal in relation to Russia throughout history has been its capture and destruction of the population. And Ukraine is a bridgehead, as Poland was in 1941.
        1. Victor Kamenev
          10 November 2017 20: 19 New
          +3
          The springboard is of course, but unlike the 1941, now even the American springboard has become the target.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 11 November 2017 10: 15 New
            +6
            Viktor Kamenev Yesterday, 20:19 But unlike 1941, we have more believers in the USA. And these believers are in leadership positions! And unlike 1941, we don’t have comrade Stalin! Unlike 1941, we do not resist the West, but integrate with it! In fact, we give everything we can. What did Oreshkin say there? All privatization documents are ready and waiting for the owners! Reason for preparing documents? Lack of effectiveness! The reason for the lack of effectiveness? Own inefficiency! What is this talking about? The fact that the government fully recognizes its inability to govern the country and is looking for effective managers! And where are our effective managers? According to the government, only in the West! Survived! They recognized the inability to produce quality goods, now we recognize the inability to organize effective management! What a disgrace so disgrace !!! Instead of proving that we are not shaky, we acknowledge our incapacity! Horror! Well, no pride left! Instead of proving that Russian is the best, we offer to give up! Victor! In our country, even in the economic sphere, they do not want to butt and raise their paws (they surrender everything to the enemy partners!). And what will happen if tomorrow is war?
      3. Barshchik-M
        Barshchik-M 10 November 2017 20: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Black
        The main goal of the West is the collapse and partition of Ukraine. Only Kiev region can remain from Ukraine.

        We need all of Ukraine and Poland too ... (just don’t need to kick me in the face right away, etc.)
        And that is exactly what will be ..! And they will pay indemnities to us for everything, and then the Germans ..
        The question is, immediately cutting off (about Israel ..))), everything will be more complicated here ... We will give to the Arabs, they deserve it ... hehe (joke!)))
      4. pvs512
        pvs512 12 November 2017 11: 42 New
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        [/ b] Black [b] The collapse and partition of Ukraine is what we need. These rabid dogs must somehow be pacified. No one will be left in the loser. If not tanks, then at least bringing them to complete poverty (humanitarian catastrophe), let them run to the EU like Arabs.
    2. Barshchik-M
      Barshchik-M 10 November 2017 19: 52 New
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      Quote: svp67
      All that is happening in Ukraine is just pushing the Poroshenko regime to war with Russia.

      That's right ... This is the last chance to stay with the Bandera-Naglosak regime (Israel still stirs up water) .. The war with Russia after the Maidan was planned, but the "cauldrons" created by the miners and ordinary militiamen puzzled Bandera .. hehe

      The war is waged with the Anglo-Saxons and Israel, the invisible and most cruel of all time .. At stake, the souls of our children and grandchildren, etc. And Ukraine will fall under the one who will withstand this confrontation ...
      Hang on guys! drinks
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 11 November 2017 00: 35 New
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        it’s very difficult to convince children and grandchildren, here (Ukraine) after learning the “history” about the heroes of Bandera and Shukhevych. Very rarely heard about Schors and Kovpak.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 11 November 2017 10: 39 New
          +7
          Suhow Today, 00:35. You might not think so in Russia! We already consider the Communists to be criminals. But the White Guards are presented as heroes. Helpers of fascism are already becoming innocently repressed and affected by the regime! Soon Vlasov will try to rehabilitate again. And Solzhenitsyn’s anti-adviser is even taught at school. Russia follows the path of the outskirts, but a bit more slowly. It remains to bury Lenin and demolish the mausoleum. But the process is underway. Through the Windows of Overton there is no longer a mausoleum and Stalin on May 9. There is neither the Soviet nor the Red Army. There is no longer the Soviet flag and the coat of arms of the USSR on May 9. In the 45th, there are already winners with tricolor and St. George ribbon. There is no longer only a red star with a hammer and sickle, there is no longer a star itself. Instead, a white cursor! But before that, as they suggested a white star! Well, that’s it! 51st state of the USA! The outskirts were like a guinea pig where all the events flicker like in accelerated viewing. And what’s interesting. The Slavs of the outskirts easily swallowed the bait! And where is the guarantee that nothing similar will happen in Russia? The elite of Russia, like the elite of the outskirts, is always ready to sell and sell! Russian media continue to hit the USSR from all calibres. They have Lenin the butcher, Stalin the butcher, the White Guards Democrats, Hitler better than Stalin, the USSR prison and so on. What are the Red Commanders? For them, Red, Bolshevik, Communist are equal to criminals!
    3. Victor Kamenev
      10 November 2017 20: 21 New
      +2
      It seems that they are already pushing, so that Muzhenko requested resignation, and Poroshenko announced the Maidan!
    4. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 11 November 2017 00: 02 New
      +1
      I feel sorry for you, sweat, that you think prostenko, and your ambitions are twisted.
    5. Kurochkin
      Kurochkin 11 November 2017 18: 36 New
      +1
      Russia Super Power No. 1 The world with the most powerful Army and Navy.
  2. solzh
    solzh 10 November 2017 18: 32 New
    +4
    This time the Maidan did not receive an order to storm the Rada, but also did not receive an order to disperse

    There will be no such order. All this new farmsmidan is needed to keep Poroshenko in good shape so that he knows his place.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      10 November 2017 20: 15 New
      +4
      But the Maidan cannot stand forever, therefore some order will sometime be ...
  3. 34 region
    34 region 10 November 2017 18: 52 New
    +6
    Perhaps the curators believe that the collapse of Ukraine is too slow and that the process should be accelerated. The most optimal scenario for puppeteers is a scenario like Libyan. Everything will be sick of him. And the Ukrainians themselves and their neighbors. Time passes, and Europe is not yet blazing. Gunpowder has already been brought in abundantly, but there is still no real fire. For whom war and sorrow, and for whom a very good business that must be carefully cultivated.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      10 November 2017 20: 12 New
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      There are too many puppeteers, but there are also spontaneous revolutionary processes, so not everything is definitely predetermined ... Ukraine is quite large, and Russia is quite close.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 11 November 2017 09: 57 New
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        Viktor Kamenev Yesterday, 20:12 I am afraid that the elements are well organized. Why is there no such element in Russia on the outskirts? Yes, and the puppeteer is only one. The rest are puppets. Why are houses and roads not spontaneously built? Why spontaneously Russia did not economically overtake the United States?
  4. venaya
    venaya 10 November 2017 18: 55 New
    +5
    Margaret Thatcher once gave such a definition modern democracy - Is war of all against all

    After this absolutely accurate definition of a rather prominent politician, practically the founder of modern democracy, did anyone else have any questions on this subject?
  5. Antares
    Antares 10 November 2017 18: 55 New
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    "The agents of the Americans must leave and announce the early election of agents of the Americans." The American messenger personally removes the agents of the Americans and sets up new agents of the Americans.
    Analytics..
    "Kamenschinovna"
    Behind the facade of such analytics, they quietly do things that they will never be talked about in such a jingo-analyzer, because of the need for informational noise created by jingo-analytics.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      10 November 2017 20: 03 New
      +4
      Analytics offend every banderlog can, but to say in essence - nothing, because the impotent mind, the reading of the works of its founder has an effect. You have two floors of the CIA in the Security Service on the ears weigh, agents agents.
      1. Antares
        Antares 10 November 2017 22: 52 New
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        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        Analysts can offend every banderlog

        it is unfortunate that you are offended by the representatives of the fictional people of Kipling ... Although, Peter Firchow considers the Kipling banderlogs to be an allegorical depiction of the United States. The damned State Department has reached you.
        In fact, it's hard to say, you have a uniform plate. Everything that has been said in each topic for several years now can be repeated. In Ukrainian troubled waters, you have been trying to fish for a long time, but anyway, Weak analytics. Never come true. Hooray analytics designed for low consumer ratings.
        And our agents of the State Department valiantly fighting with agents of the State Department on all lines and fronts is perhaps the next topic.
        1. Curious
          Curious 12 November 2017 01: 29 New
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          "Weak analytics. Never coming true."
          You understand that those analysts whose analytics come true write their forecasts in completely different places. Someone’s paintings hang in art galleries, someone’s are sold on the ruins at the transitions. Both artists painted.
          1. Antares
            Antares 12 November 2017 15: 07 New
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            Quote: Curious
            Someone’s paintings hang in art galleries, someone’s are sold on the ruins at the transitions. Both artists painted.

            I agree, artists at a price do not draw monotonous paintings 2 times a week with a monotonous plot and colors.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 November 2017 19: 15 New
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      Quote: Antares
      "The agents of the Americans must leave and announce the early election of agents of the Americans." The American messenger personally removes the agents of the Americans and sets up new agents of the Americans.

      Bgggg ... reminded:
      Putin’s agents gathered Maidan to overthrow agent Putin Yanukovych. Well, everyone remembers? There, Putin’s agents shot hundreds of heaven. When the agent of Putin, the oligarch Yanukovych, was overthrown, a peremog came for a minute, Ukraine cleared of the oligarchs and zradniks and chose an honest agent of Putin - Poroshenko.
      But Putin’s agents in the Donbass declared independence, and then Putin’s agents arranged an ATO to pacify Putin’s agents from the DPR and LPR.
      But third Putin’s agents sabotaged the supply and leadership of the army of “cyborg heroes,” who treacherously cheated and sent Putin’s agents to fight Putin’s agents, resulting in two boilers.
      Then Putin’s agents tried to stage a protest (read the provocation. They’re agents) and call Putin’s agents to account. But Putin’s agents brutally dispersed all the protests of Putin’s damned agents. Then, Putin’s agents failed to destabilize the power of Putin’s agents, despite the fact that Putin’s agents brought down the hryvnia.
      ©
      In general, all misunderstandings with the “agents” usually occur due to the fact that for some reason the majority considers both our elite and the western one to be united. And this is far from the case. So the “agents” formally acting on one side can actually wet each other - as a reflection showdown bulldogs under the carpet among their curators.
  6. Gato
    Gato 10 November 2017 21: 38 New
    +2
    About Poroshenko and Avakov, the ditty goes:
    Lived at the granny
    Two funny geese
    One Zhovtiy, another blue
    Glory to Ukraine!
    1. Suhow
      Suhow 11 November 2017 00: 28 New
      0
      communication Avakov in Ukrainian = AZIROV (Azarov)
  7. MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 10 November 2017 23: 07 New
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    the upper part of his head is spilled panin.
  8. Suhow
    Suhow 11 November 2017 00: 27 New
    +2
    whether re-elections are necessary in Ukraine ... - yes, but they will hardly hold them, the piglet and Co. will fly by, if they (elections) are held in honor, if the Natsiks come, yes, but the counterweight will come not weak, but if it is in honor ... There is no king in his own country
  9. high
    high 11 November 2017 02: 10 New
    +1
    If the Verkhovna Rada does not fulfill the requirements of this third Maidan, Saakashvili promises to organize a “march of millions” and launch a “people's impeachment” of the president:[i] [/ i]
    If Saakashvili threatened the authorities of Ukraine, they would fulfill the request of Georgia and send it to the bunkers in Georgia ...
    The Ukrainian authorities show Saakashvili’s weakness, where he gathers “crowds” of 50-100 marginals, while his “party”, according to polls, does not even gain 5% to enter the Rada ...
  10. ImPerts
    ImPerts 11 November 2017 05: 49 New
    +1
    The silovik of the third Maidan, the ex-battalion commander of the Donbass seizure, Semyon Semenchenko, assures that they will act peacefully, his people “do not plan to take Rada by storm”. I just reassured: I gave the parliament time to still live ... This means that the Maidan is disciplined, obeys orders — this is a special operation, it is waiting for the command “from above”. Although Shkiryak, Avakov's adviser, was still beaten up on the Maidan, as well as the People's Deputy Barna, but they did not file a lawsuit against the Maidan.

    Maybe Semenchenko is Plan B (HSP)?
  11. Ural resident
    Ural resident 11 November 2017 08: 38 New
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    The fact that the spring is being tightened there is understandable.
    Europe has practically withdrawn from business - the states are slowly taking everything into their own hands.
    They will not put Bandera people openly on the leadership - they are afraid that this will untie Russia's hands - and this is a loss.
    But "we (USA - V.K.) gave birth to you - we will kill you too" is unlikely to be. Not for that, they organized the whole bucket there to merge. Most likely, Bandera will be quietly held in the government under the external “handshake” president. Ukraine is needed as a long-term ram against Russia, and the Americans will not give up on this.
  12. seacap
    seacap 11 November 2017 15: 37 New
    +1
    Judging by the way pan-legcoles pull their mummies out of the closets as heroes, we can soon become witnesses to the revival of methods and their methods of action, since most of them are already working, death camps remain (Gestapo dungeons already exist) and soon most likely, we will also encounter disbats at the front.
  13. izya top
    izya top 11 November 2017 18: 16 New
    0
    pony and disperse (c) zoryan or skirk, I don’t remember what
  14. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 11 November 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    How do wars start? Elementary! Remember, - Their ampirator, our king showed nevermind. We will die for the king’s priest! At the heart of all wars, a thirst for power and profit.
  15. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 11 November 2017 18: 48 New
    +1
    Avakov is a cowardly jackal, hiding behind his mongrel and sloppy amerses, even blasphemy is compared with his jackal, well, he asks for pindyule and his henchmen, what should be done in this case, of course, we should wait, tolerate, and wait for them to eat each other . The most difficult thing for us is to endure, but in steel it will not leave us.
  16. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 11 November 2017 19: 22 New
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    On the one hand, we must be very tough towards Ukraine, and the more chaos there is, the better for us. On the other hand, it is necessary to continue the systematic deployment of troops along the entire perimeter of the borders of Ukraine, as well as to target cruise missiles at all strategic targets of this distraught country. At the same time, it is advisable to find an opportunity to somehow warn the criminal leadership of this quasi-country about what awaits them if they decide on a crazy and criminal step. It is even better to provoke even greater chaos there, in such a situation they will not be able to decide on a war. But if it happens, then most likely it will be a major provocation on the border with the Crimea or a large-scale offensive in the Donbass, which should end with their total defeat. It is necessary to carry out different scenarios and prepare for different variants of events. In this field, we simply must replay the Americans. After Syria, we can do a lot in this world.
  17. Ksr82
    Ksr82 11 November 2017 22: 54 New
    +2
    What is happening in Ukraine is the fault of our political leadership. From 1991 to 2014 there was no responsible policy in this country. Our liberal clique (I hope no one has doubts about the continuity of power since 1999) completely wiped out this region. What did we have in 1991 in Ukraine and what do we have today ?! We have lost this territory and people (our own, relatives, and not mentally alien imported from the center of Asia and the Caucasus). And this is Russia's greatest foreign policy failure in its entire history. And they throw us a bone about the Crimea. Let's also be proud that Kaliningrad was not given to the Germans ... Today, the only correct vector is work aimed at dismembering this Russophobic swamp together with Poland, Hungary, Romania. Ukraine should remain only the Kiev region and Chernihiv. For a time, perhaps decades. We must return the entire coast and bury the very word "Ukraine" in the minds of our people living there. I'd like to believe that our leadership thinks the same.
  18. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 12 November 2017 08: 22 New
    0
    And they need it, is it a “settlement” in the Donbass? The ukra-image of the enemy, the construction of a "new nation", new victims - "heroes", military orders, fin. aid in dollars, quietly shoved into one’s pockets, loyal servants-rams against Russia, sanctions imposed on Europe, export of its gas there, in short pressure on all fronts
  19. JR-13
    JR-13 13 November 2017 20: 59 New
    0
    The later the war begins, the better. We’ll get angrier and prepare, not hoping for the usual chance, time will be longer. Did you notice that the exercises are underway, and the rearmament of the army is underway, and that combat skills have been acquired in Syria, and we don’t also go to a forest with our firewood? Everyone is talking about Stalin, and I’ll say now about the Russian people. Many do not watch the zombie box - political talk shows, are not interested in Ukraine and America, are busy with their usual affairs. And when they break away from ordinary affairs, someone from the most peaceful work, someone from the family, etc., it can end very badly for someone. Patelka, waiting, donkeyka. The spring twists symmetrically. As much as they want to "come to visit us", we are not happy with these uninvited guests.
    They will get what they deserve.
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 16 November 2017 06: 04 New
    0
    the Yankees achieved their goal, they managed to create a “centuries-old” bleeding ulcer under the belly of Russia, after the destruction of Ukraine as a state, Russia will have to invest for a long time in what is left of it in order to provide itself with the necessary “buffer” from the Euronatian invasion, but it’s expensive economically, it will become very expensive for Russia ...