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"Partners": Putin has experienced cheap oil

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The other day, “presidential candidate” Ksyusha Sobchak gave an interview to CNN, which in itself made a lot of noise. The main wave of indignation rose after Sobchak once again declared that the Crimea - "this is Ukraine", and that it supports the imposed anti-Russian sanctions. That was enough for the already “baseboard” rating of “lady against all” to break through the floor. However, judging by the numerous comments, in our country, they did not catch the interesting thought bit in the statement, or openly ignored it. It is understandable - the figure of the “candidate” is too scandalous and too much heresy has already managed to be applied from the screens by this lady in order to treat her particular utterances.


But here the case, as they say, is delicate.

Firstly, the interview is not for the Russian “consumption”, even if it is super-liberal, but first of all for the American one. After all, it was given not to “Rain”, not “Medusa” and not “Echo”, but CNN. And this means that CNN has an order to probe the extravagant Russian “presidential candidate”, given the fact that this American television channel does not work without orders from “above” in principle.

Secondly, the interview was about the resource, with the help of which Washington tried and is still trying to bring Russia frankly to its knees - about sanctions. So, the question here is not even about who was talking about sanctions for the American audience, but about the effectiveness of sanctions as such.

Recall that in an interview said Sobchak:
I support these sanctions. Another thing is that, for example, now students in Russia cannot get an American visa, this is unfair to them, because why should the Russian people be punished for the policies of a person whom they don’t support.

In other words, Sobchak, as it were, sends a collective-liberal message there — across the ocean. They say, brothers, for three years you make mistakes by repeating them from time to time when you take regular sanctions packages against Russia. Enter the sanctions, but at the same time these sanctions are such that except that students who go to the United States, and act ... The Russian authorities, they say, your sanctions do not apply.

And the leading "party personnel" of the United States did not even guess about this? Oh, come on ... The flag was lifted - sanctions, a hole in the ceiling of the consulate was punched - sanctions, long loans were issued to Russian banks as it were banned - also sanctions, gas, they say, buy from us, but do not buy from Russian - again sanctions. But this is the case: the flag was returned back, a hole in the ceiling was repaired, Russian banks take long credits where the Big Brother’s arms do not reach out for all their length, and American tankers, registered in offshore, are pumped gas in Russia, then to realize Europe market. Plus - the situation with coal, plus - the strangeness of sanctions against the Russian "defense industry", after which this very "defense industry" in the order book for the third year in a row holds record figures.

It may be recalled how the American sanctioned car grated in the direction of the German business, which was in contact and in contact with Russia. Under the distribution got "Siemens", who sold gas turbines for thermal power plants of Russia through their own Russian representative office. Turbines "landed" in the Crimea. Oh, the horror ... Russia put its turbines (and they became Russian after the purchase, which took place in full compliance with international trade standards) on the "occupied" peninsula! Horror! .. Nightmare! .. In the USA they said that they would either “split Siemens” into atoms, or incinerate, or both, three times. The Germans began to fuss - courts, arbitrations, lawsuits, squeaks, screeches - in general, they worked as expected ... Arbitration - to Germans: Friends, do not need to squeal, everything is fine - you didn’t break anything. And immediately passed news that the American “gas turbine” company is trying to occupy the “Siemens” niche in Russia.

The Germans scratched their heads and began to assure the Ministry of Energy that they, of course, fully share the Western sanctions policy towards Russia, which, like Sobchak, consider Crimea to be Ukrainian, which will never, ever, violate all energy packages, combined, but at the same time from the Russian market will not go anywhere. For not for more than a century in the Russian segment of their activities invested.

From the statement of the Deputy Minister of Energy of Russia Andrei Cherezov:
Siemens is considering the possibility of supplying high-power gas turbines to Russian thermal power plants. Including TPP on Taman. We know that they have an interest in this. I must say that other companies offer us the same turbines. For example, the American General Electric, under certain conditions, offers an even cheaper option with the same power.


In general, the Germans in the Russian government made it clear: sanctions against Russia are more than specific.

Those who are more hypocritical have long since learned to support sanctions so that they did not stay at a loss, and even vice versa - increased trade and economic contacts with the Russian Federation. Those who are even more savvy - the sanctions did not initially support, putting the "hegemon" itself in an awkward position and making it clear that the rows of the "hegemon" are not monolithic and even there they have someone to lean on or to whom at least whisper in their ear. Thus, on the Promised Land, sanctions were imposed, for any pressure would immediately be declared fierce anti-Semitism. But father on sanctions also put something like that, after which the seas, full of "salmon" and shrimps self-formed in the republic. Yes, and the “hegemon” itself, as it turns out now, is not averse to reluctant on sanctions, for the wrong scale of the US-Russian trade was initially to bring Russia to their knees, plus - if there are those who refuse to trade with Russia not going a priori.

The special piquancy of the anti-Russian sanctions policy is added by the fact that oil prices are actively creeping up. Although the word "crawled" is not quite correct. Prices have risen clearly above the forecast bar, which gave the American blogosphere a reason to come up with headlines in the style of “Putin survived cheap oil.” And some sarcastically add: "Putin survived, but our (American) shalers did not survive."

"Partners": Putin has experienced cheap oil


Indeed, at a price higher than 60 dollars per barrel, the profitability of American shale production is again actualized, but in the USA it is noted that the recovery process in the shale industry is proceeding at a very unintelligible pace. Waiting for confirmation that no one will “sink” the barrel anymore, which means they are ready to sign that the policy of “sinking the price of oil” did not work this time. But it didn’t work at all, not because the methods were “unfit”, but because Russia today is still not a USSR agonizing pore. It was necessary then to start cutting rockets and sawing planes, withdrawing troops where possible, “the partners” realized that it was possible to collude with the fall in oil prices in order to “help” the Soviet Union to collapse. Now - otherwise. The Syrian party has shown that it is much more difficult for the “partners” to enter into collusion when the Russian military might actually change the strategic position in the whole macroregion, and clearly not in favor of those who originally started the next “color” sabbath with all the consequences. And, I must pay tribute, it was President Vladimir Putin who built and played out the Syrian party since 2015, just as few have expected even in Russia itself. And cheap oil really “survived”. Some "did not worry" ... along with the country ...

In general, in the USA there are not so many people who continue to see as an anti-Russian panacea those sanctions that are still in effect. Is that the elderly Washington "politburo" with McCain and other adherents at the head of the sanctions have become like a pill for evening headache. Swallowed - and convinced themselves that the "health".
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 November 2017 07: 19
    20
    Sobchak once again stated that Crimea is “this is Ukraine” and that it supports the introduced anti-Russian sanctions

    ... what do they do with driven horses ?! bully .... yes, you think correctly ... wink
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 November 2017 08: 18
      30
      Pondering, is it really possible for someone to seriously consider the candidacy of a dog, and even more so to what she says? It is quite clear that Sobchak is a product of pre-election political technologies, and what she was “recommended” to speak on the old square, she broadcasts.
      The second point, relatively “survived low oil prices”, even if it “survived”, it was only due to the long-suffering of the people and precisely at the expense of the people. In other words, there are two “oils” in the Russian Federation, one is an export product, and the second is people and both can squeeze profits.
      And sanctions are the same bugbear to which you can attribute everything! And the increase in prices and tariffs, and the collapse of the ruble, and an increase in the fiscal burden, and if desired, even bad weather.
      Here is my IMHO.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 10 November 2017 09: 23
        23
        You "misunderstood", it clearly says "Putin survived" .... About the "people" there is no question. The "people" "add ..." .... wink
        1. freejack
          freejack 10 November 2017 11: 19
          10
          And you are the “people”? ... They’ve “laid a blame” on you? ... :) Putin would have survived the cost of oil equal to zero ... He is the president. Its resource is inexhaustible ... wink
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        3. Zmei53
          Zmei53 10 November 2017 19: 13
          +4
          You are an Americanosik, think about Trampolitik, but don’t go to Russia, MacDonalds
      2. racha4
        racha4 12 November 2017 11: 07
        +3
        It’s personally violet to me how much oil costs on exchanges. The main thing is the price of a gas station. And it constantly climbs uphill with us, that 40, that 120 bucks per barrel. That’s why, if the cost of production is 5-8 dollars / barrel ??? ?
        1. racha4
          racha4 12 November 2017 11: 09
          +6
          3 years ago I didn’t put gas in the tank for 1000 rubles, now I’ll fit in it!
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 11: 30
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        it is only due to the long-suffering of the people and precisely at the expense of the people. In other words, in the Russian Federation there are two "oils", one is an export product, and the second is the people

        Was the wrong people in the USSR?
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 10 November 2017 10: 42
      14
      The incident with Sobchak is generally muddy. For such statements, a crowd of patriots trampled Makarevich into the mud, and the mare jumps from one channel to another, gives interviews to the right and left, talks with Putin, from whom she probably received the indulgence like the one that Cardinal Richelieu once gave to his agent Lady Winter.
      1. jjj
        jjj 10 November 2017 10: 55
        11
        Friends! Until recently, the politician with the most negative rating was Dmitry Anatolyevich. Now, and this is officially announced, this was Ksenia Anatolyevna. That is, Dmitry Anatolyevich is now oh-go
      2. stas
        stas 10 November 2017 10: 57
        10
        Sobchak would not have appeared in the candidates without Kremlin approval. If her PR means it is beneficial to someone, but certainly not to the people.
        Pre-election fun to powder the brains of the electorate, to come to the polls.
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 November 2017 11: 36
          13
          Quote: stas
          Sobchak would not have appeared in the candidates without Kremlin approval. If her PR means it is beneficial to someone, but certainly not to the people.
          Pre-election fun to powder the brains of the electorate, to come to the polls.

          in bold letters:THE DOG IS NOT A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENT !!!!! GENERALLY!!!!
          It NOT collected documentsNOT served them and NOT currently registered as a candidate .....
          With the same success, declare that he is a candidate can anyone - I, for example, or Sling cutter or V.I. Lenin (he is generally very long time near repeat with the Kremlin, he worked there in senior positions and knows international politics too) ...

          Bullshit, in a word, all its slogans / appeals / speeches / speeches / press conference
          and - moreover, having no legal force (opinion of an individual, no more) ...
        2. pvs512
          pvs512 10 November 2017 17: 47
          0
          It will distract the voices of all liberalists from Navalny.
          1. your1970
            your1970 11 November 2017 19: 10
            +2
            and HOW MUCH will they vote for Navalny? Even if 20% - which will never happen, it still won’t make Lesha the president ... so don’t have to push about “distracting” ...
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 12 November 2017 01: 01
            +3
            Quote: pvs512
            It will distract the voices of all liberalists from Navalny.

            Senya Bakhcha and Aval - "politicians" of the same level !!! yes yes wassat laughing laughing laughing
      3. freejack
        freejack 10 November 2017 11: 27
        +9
        One correction: Lady Winter was smart and beautiful (M. Terekhova - according to our film ... and according to A. Dyum's description) ... And “our Ksyuha” scares children at night! .. And the mind multiplied by zero! hi
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 10 November 2017 12: 07
          +8
          I can’t stand the Horse, but it is not so limited and brainless, as some here think. In any case, some gentlemen from the media spoke about Ksenia as a person who was not devoid of organizational talent and possessing "leadership" qualities. Well, about the “mind”, in any case, despite some odious statements, she was smart enough (after the story of money in the apartment) not to get into the political liberal party crowd (she learned the lesson quickly and correctly). Now she is a type of candidate for obvious reasons and it is understandable with whose permission.
          1. 17085
            17085 10 November 2017 22: 12
            +2
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            I can’t stand the Horse, but it is not so limited and brainless, as some here think. In any case, some gentlemen from the media spoke about Ksenia as a person who was not devoid of organizational talent and possessing "leadership" qualities. Well, about the “mind”, in any case, despite some odious statements, she was smart enough (after the story of money in the apartment) not to get into the political liberal party crowd (she learned the lesson quickly and correctly). Now she is a type of candidate for obvious reasons and it is understandable with whose permission.


            Give the horse to the presidency of the SGA!
            1. Lycan
              Lycan 13 November 2017 12: 50
              0
              You want to squash our competitors from the light ???? And then with whom to compete with the “territory” for the development of the post-Soviet Union? laughing
          2. Foxmara
            Foxmara 11 November 2017 04: 30
            +2
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            she had the mind (after the story of money in the apartment) not to get into the political liberal party cockpit (she learned the lesson quickly and correctly). Now she is a type of candidate for obvious reasons and it is understandable with whose permission.

            For how many years was that enough mind? 5-6? Is the mind or money over?
            They gave you a guarantee there (in the Kremlin) that they allowed her or are you giving us your thoughts for the Kremlin? hi
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Sergey Cojokar
        For such statements, a crowd of patriots trampled Makarevich into the mud, and the mare jumps from one channel to another

        Macarkwich was a phenomenon in the late Union. Who did not order the Blue Bird or the Turn in the tavern? Hence this reaction to betrayal. And Sobchak is an empty place. Nobody takes her seriously ...
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 10 November 2017 07: 33
    +1
    In general, there are not many people left in the USA who continue to see the sanctions that are still in force as an anti-Russian panacea.
    WE ARE CLOSED, INDEPENDENTLY FROM "SANCTIONS- NOT SANCTIONS"
    Asia goes to the world leaders and the West needs to maintain (at least at our expense) its %% in world markets
    1. horhe48
      horhe48 10 November 2017 11: 10
      10
      We have very weak analysts and a clumsy state machine. Yet at the end of that century it was clear that the 21st century was Asian-Pacific. And what? But nothing. As we drove oil and gas to Europe, we continue. Now, when we don’t need to explain anything to anyone, we are a little fussed. And then, not in terms of a turn to the east and cooperation with Asia, but in the sense that we, like the unsuitable owners of that, and look at the "good neighbors" of the land mined by ancestors from under the nose will lead away. In fact, they say correctly that to manage is to foresee. As they predict, they manage. For example, in recent years in Russia it has been significant grain crops have increased, including in Western Siberia (Altai Territory, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo Regions, etc.). Now again a large harvest, but it is perceived by the Siberian peasants no longer as a reward for their labors, but as a punishment. And the elevators are still full of grain last year. Logistics is such that grain can be exported only via Transib, and it is packed to the limit and the tariffs are not high, and in the Far East, berths for transshipment of export grain are still not built in the required quantity. And the Japanese and other Asians would love to buy Siberian grain. There were already messengers from there and trial supplies. But “things are still there.” The question is, what is the government, why is it at all? Or is it again that Uncle Vasya the switchman is to blame? Etc. etc.
      1. your1970
        your1970 10 November 2017 11: 44
        +7
        How many BAM were built under the USSR? !!! with virtually no corruption, kickbacks / bribes, overpricing for industrial products, an almost free labor force — which in addition could be moved around the country with a stroke of a pen ?? !!
        Even the USSR did not master the BAM until the end - and you want more in terms of construction volume and even fast in the current layout?
        Or do you think that the government can stomp your foot / clap your hands - and here is the second Transsiberian for you ???
        For example, in the Volga region, for example, we have 1 year of harvest - five years of drought. Do you have the same thing in Altai. What then, in lean years, should you carry along this second branch ??
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 12: 47
          0
          Quote: your1970
          almost free labor - which, in addition, could be moved around the country with a stroke of the pen ?? !!

          Well, you're exaggerating. Komsomol activists are only in the Time program, and ZK is only with Solzhetsin ... And then, people went to BAM for the "long ruble". And the cost of labor, now, does not take a large% of the cost of construction.
          Transib built in 10 years. BAM (and it is smaller) was built (intermittently) from 1938 to 1984.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 10 November 2017 16: 08
        +2
        analytics is one. other thing is the possibility. from 89g everything went into a scroll-- "do what you want" and there is no goal setting now.
        "Let the corporations plan the market themselves."
        without an independent financial policy, all strategic plans are crushed by a simple refusal to finance - "NO LONG MONEY"
        HOW THE PEASANTS BUILT IN 30-60 GG? -many stupid factories and not a single yacht
      3. Foxmara
        Foxmara 11 November 2017 04: 32
        0
        Quote: horhe48
        again a big harvest, but it is perceived by Siberian peasants no longer as a reward for their labors, but as a punishment.

        Familiar farmers (peasants) grow grain and do not blow in the mustache.
        1. your1970
          your1970 11 November 2017 19: 07
          0
          are blowing repeat -price fell very much on grain: the year before last up to 10 per tonne, the last 000-7, and this year they give 5000 - 2,5 maximum per tonne with us ....
  3. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 10 November 2017 07: 58
    +8
    "... sanctions have become like a pill on duty from an evening headache ..."

    - Grandma, I, I’ll sell this cheap pill for your headache, but explain how you can treat a headache with a condom ?!
    - Duck, the granddaughter when she is going on a date, I put her purse in her purse, her whole head is not so sore ...

    Maybe they, too, should change the “headache relief pills” ?!
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 10 November 2017 08: 06
    +6
    a pill on duty from an evening headache. Swallowed - and convinced themselves that "health".

    What kind of tablet is there, they eat placebo handfuls ... they also tell the whole world how effective ...
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 10 November 2017 08: 13
    +8
    What does “Putin survived cheap oil” mean? Will oil always be expensive now?
    1. We survived due to the devaluation of the ruble - we are now one of the cheapest labor in the world, cheaper than the Chinese. Good or bad time will tell. If the inflow of investments increases, then it’s good, but if not ...
    2. The cost of shale oil production in the USA is constantly decreasing - it was 75 dollars some time ago, now it is approaching 45-50 dollars per barrel. Production is becoming more profitable, which means shale oil production is unlikely to decrease.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 10 November 2017 09: 49
      10
      Uh ... With the "shale oil" the situation is interesting. In the USA, in general, all production hangs on “loans” and it is often (actually always ... unprofitable, yes, yes, unprofitable) and unprofitableness is covered by new loans, which are easier to obtain, in fact, these internal “endless” loans constitute a large the notorious "US public debt." When the “shale fever” started, the state partially sponsored it by compensating part of the loans and interest-free loans. Now this no-program "has ended" you need a new Congressional approval for a new program. In the meantime ... companies have to take loans on a “common basis,” which makes production somewhat more expensive. Everyone is waiting for a war with the DPRK, which is expected to drive oil futures up ....
      1. jjj
        jjj 10 November 2017 10: 57
        +1
        Yes, throwing money at the “shale revolution” leads to a completely different result. And the number of active wells is gradually decreasing even against the background of rising oil futures
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 10 November 2017 11: 08
          +6
          There is still such a joke that when the formation is fractured, everything must be pumped out immediately, otherwise after a short time, the formed oil goes somewhere, through cracks or something else. And interestingly, you need to set up and immediately tear as many wells as possible, as if doing it a little, the yield is greatly reduced. And if you abandoned the formation after breaks, and then returned, started again, then you get oil “from Gulkin’s nose” —the layer must be torn continuously so that its stresses do not have time to “be removed”.
    2. turbris
      turbris 11 November 2017 11: 03
      +2
      Where else are shale oil produced besides the USA? In Europe they don’t want to do this, even in Ukraine they refused, why? Irreplaceable damage is caused to nature, the rupture of layers leads to the fact that oil enters the aquifers, and sometimes comes to the surface, destroying fertile land. But everything is bought in the USA, therefore the “protectors” of nature sit silently, the Congress and the Senate are concerned about who is to blame for the fact that Clinton lost the election, let them continue to become an oil producing country, they will soon begin to buy grain from us.
    3. VladimS
      VladimS 11 November 2017 16: 39
      +1
      They are not only 40-45 but 35 can draw, easily. Party strategy tells ...
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 12 November 2017 01: 08
      +2
      Quote: vlad007
      2. The cost of shale oil production in the USA is constantly decreasing - it was 75 dollars some time ago, now it is approaching 45-50 dollars per barrel.

      what what what this is why you decided so, and what caused such a rapid decline ???? wassat wassat
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 November 2017 09: 00
    11
    And who said it would be easy? They took a part of their territory without blood - turning the strategic situation on the Black Sea over - that’s "annoyed" and the strip-eaves rushed at us. Everyone used what they could. And got the effect of the opposite desired. The same in Syria. In the EU, the cracks ran.
    And then some Xenia Shad something there something says there wassat and oil - everything is growing ... And a barrel in rubles - to 4000! And the ruble is not 100, but only 60. And labor is CHEAPER than in China. With higher qualifications and significantly higher social protection.
    Just do not need about investment. Foreign investments from there - where have you arrived? Right, there! So do not profit "there." And investments are from here, and profits are from here.
    1. turbris
      turbris 12 November 2017 13: 00
      +3
      Everyone who admires China should be interested in working conditions and the absence of pensions, as such. What they breathe in this world factory is also an interesting question.
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 10 November 2017 09: 03
    +3
    Firstly, the interview is not for the Russian “consumption”, even if it is super-liberal, but first of all for the American one. After all, it was given not to “Rain”, not “Medusa” and not “Echo”, but CNN. And this means that CNN has an order to probe the extravagant Russian “presidential candidate”, given the fact that this American television channel does not work without orders from “above” in principle.
    Well, cranberries! it’s simpler than the extravagant Russian “presidential candidate”, just invite to the embassy and have a private chat ... our liberals are ready to rush there at the first signal;laughing
  8. shinobi
    shinobi 10 November 2017 09: 04
    +6
    Russia is returning to itself the old and well-forgotten already, imperial influence of tsarist Russia. Not the USSR, where we fed everyone, but specifically the Russian Empire. Actually, the Darkest one hinted very thickly.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 10 November 2017 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      Russia is returning to itself the old and well-forgotten already, imperial influence of tsarist Russia. Not the USSR, where we fed everyone, but specifically the Russian Empire. Actually, the Darkest one hinted very thickly.


      Hmm ... I would like to believe in the successful outcome of your assumption ... hi
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 12: 55
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      Not the USSR, where we fed everyone, but specifically the Russian Empire.

      Only, for some reason, people lived better in the USSR than in Imperial Russia ...
  9. Deck
    Deck 10 November 2017 09: 19
    +7
    The author simply juggles like a sharpie. The quote is complete: “Keep in mind that Putin is not Russia. Russia is big, and many do not support its policy. It’s one thing when oligarchs from Putin’s entourage are punished. And these sanctions are the right thing, I support them. Quite another is when, for example, students cannot get an American visa. And in general, why should ordinary Russians be responsible for the actions of a person whom they do not support and who does not allow fair elections to take place? ” I do not support the clowning with Sobchak, but to hell is a lie. About Siemens. There is an “end user certificate”. We use it too. The last example is the story of our Shuka on a lease from Indians. In general, the article is a muddy order.
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 10: 34
      +1
      I wrote my answer without reading yours. But it turned out literally. wink
    2. staviator
      staviator 10 November 2017 10: 40
      +4
      We bought Siemens, but there’s a difference in renting a submarine for 10 years? Another thing is the contract didn’t see such a turn, and they still need technology, why merge amers for money right away? How then to trust Rajikapuram?
      1. Standard
        Standard 10 November 2017 11: 23
        +2
        Quote: staviator
        How then to believe rajikapuram?

        In business, everything must be prescribed in the contract. And that is not a fact that they will. That is, penalties are not scary (as with the Mistrals, for example).
        So there is no special need for “faith”.
  10. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 10 November 2017 10: 28
    +5
    Why is the author not fully quoting Sobchak? And this is important, WHAT and against WHO does she support sanctions, despite the fact that it was a different matter, why should those who they are not directed against suffer from sanctions. This is the first.
    Second, Siemens has no representative office in Russia. And there are 100% subsidiaries and joint ventures created with Siemens.
    The third. If there were reservations in the turbine agreement (knowing Siemens from the inside, I am 100% sure that they were) about where this equipment cannot be moved (including for ISIS), then the Russian buyer was obliged to fulfill the terms of the agreement, and Do not try to appeal your own stupidity in court later. I hope that all those who convinced the Ministry of Energy that the Germans will remain silent and shamelessly rudeness have lost their warm places. The standard for last year’s HE article is “about nothing.” In one heap Ksenia, Siemens, Americans
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 November 2017 11: 52
      0
      If what the deputy minister said is true, then Simmens, with his reservations, has lost part of a rather serious market ... No one will work with them again, since there are competitors NOT afraid of sanctions ...
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2017 04: 50
      +3
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Does the author not fully quote Sobchak? And it is important, WHAT and against WHO does she support sanctions

      Indeed?? It is important, against whom does Xu support sanctions? Come on. Well, they showed the horse in the circus, everyone laughed.
      In fact, the Yankees make exceptions for students, but not because they feel sorry for Russian students, but because they don’t want to lose influence on youth - this is a resource. And now, the horse says a clever thing - for the Yankees it is important that our kids can go there.
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      If there were reservations in the turbine agreement (knowing Siemens from the inside, I am 100% sure that they were) about where this equipment cannot be moved (including for ISIS)

      If grandmother had ..
      What do you attribute to the Germans your "knowledge"? Have you read the contract? No. Then for what purpose are you smart?
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Germans are silent and silently rude rudeness

      You dumped something all yourself. What rudeness? Actually shawala already. They refused to leave the market. The Germans, like everyone else, give kickbacks to get contracts, incl. here in Russia, they lie about the characteristics (VW in the USA), and they probably knew about the delivery to the Crimea, but the money is ... they simply can’t say anything against the USA. Oil tankers will collapse and the Germans will forget about the “scandals” at the same speed with which they were excited. They need to "keep a face" in front of the hegemon, that’s all the rhetoric. Between each other, all these issues may have been discussed and are being discussed quite differently than in the media.
      1. turbris
        turbris 13 November 2017 12: 06
        +1
        You know, to quote Sobchak is generally humiliating for the forum participants, so I propose to finish the comments, since there is nothing to talk about.
  11. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 10 November 2017 10: 34
    18
    Putin survived cheap oil. Also a feat for me. I've survived expensive oil. And interestingly, no one will explain to the people why the price of gas rises, regardless of whether expensive or cheap oil
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 16 November 2017 13: 09
      0
      Quote: Sergey Cojokar
      And interestingly, no one will explain to the people why the price of gas rises, regardless of whether expensive or cheap oil

      Because the cost of exploration and production is now only about 9,5 - 10% of the cost of a liter of fuel.
      Income tax - (on the cost of gasoline) - 4,8%
      Excise tax - 12%
      VAT - value added tax - 15,3%
      MET - mineral extraction tax - 16,9%
      Total taxes 49% of the cost of fuel.
      The rest is transportation, processing, retail ...
  12. Whaler
    Whaler 10 November 2017 10: 47
    +3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    You "misunderstood", it clearly says "Putin survived" .... About the "people" there is no question. The "people" "add ..." .... wink

    On your striped people - yes, we’ll gladly put it on and concrete it so that it doesn’t slip laughing
  13. Whaler
    Whaler 10 November 2017 10: 52
    +3
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    Why is the author not fully quoting Sobchak? And this is important, WHAT and against WHO does she support sanctions, despite the fact that it was a different matter, why should those who they are not directed against suffer from sanctions. This is the first.
    Second, Siemens has no representative office in Russia. And there are 100% subsidiaries and joint ventures created with Siemens.
    The third. If there were reservations in the turbine agreement (knowing Siemens from the inside, I am 100% sure that they were) about where this equipment cannot be moved (including for ISIS), then the Russian buyer was obliged to fulfill the terms of the agreement, and Do not try to appeal your own stupidity in court later. I hope that all those who convinced the Ministry of Energy that the Germans will remain silent and shamelessly rudeness have lost their warm places. The standard for last year’s HE article is “about nothing.” In one heap Ksenia, Siemens, Americans

    Haha three times)) apparently the terms of the "contract" to limit the right to use the purchased goods were void, it happens)) yes
  14. Whaler
    Whaler 10 November 2017 10: 56
    +4
    Quote: Deck
    The author simply juggles like a sharpie. The quote is complete: “Keep in mind that Putin is not Russia. Russia is big, and many do not support its policy. It’s one thing when oligarchs from Putin’s entourage are punished. And these sanctions are the right thing, I support them. Quite another is when, for example, students cannot get an American visa. And in general, why should ordinary Russians be responsible for the actions of a person whom they do not support and who does not allow fair elections to take place? ” I do not support the clowning with Sobchak, but to hell is a lie. About Siemens. There is an “end user certificate”. We use it too. The last example is the story of our Shuka on a lease from Indians. In general, the article is a muddy order.

    For you, what is leasing, what is a one-time purchase of goods - is it all the same? ))) lol
  15. Whaler
    Whaler 10 November 2017 10: 57
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
    Putin survived cheap oil. Also a feat for me. I've survived expensive oil. And interestingly, no one will explain to the people why the price of gas rises, regardless of whether expensive or cheap oil

    What do you, with your obscure flags, for the cause, to our prices? )) Are you sick?
  16. kos2910
    kos2910 10 November 2017 10: 59
    +2
    Yes, Sobchak is simply a lightning rod, and it’s not too bad for the candidate to give the dough to the company, unless, of course, she collects the signatures, otherwise the young House-2 suddenly forgot how to write ...
  17. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 10 November 2017 11: 01
    +2
    Quote: Deck
    The author simply juggles like a sharpie. The quote is complete: “Keep in mind that Putin is not Russia. Russia is big, and many do not support its policy. It’s one thing when oligarchs from Putin’s entourage are punished. And these sanctions are the right thing, I support them. Quite another is when, for example, students cannot get an American visa. And in general, why should ordinary Russians be responsible for the actions of a person whom they do not support and who does not allow fair elections to take place? ” I do not support the clowning with Sobchak, but to hell is a lie. About Siemens. There is an “end user certificate”. We use it too. The last example is the story of our Shuka on a lease from Indians. In general, the article is a muddy order.

    100% On “VO” mutant trolls of the INTERNAL mix have been clearly introduced .. There is no place for the dog’s topic at all - this is a 100% Yeltsin project of TRIPLE assignment, but against the strong RF as a whole. Thieves and parasites!
  18. petyaivolk
    petyaivolk 10 November 2017 11: 28
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    ... what do they do with driven horses ?! .... yes, you think correctly ...

    "The scandal erupted on Saturday, February 7. On that day, the Central Election Commission registered Ivan Rybkin as a candidate for the presidency of Russia. And by strange coincidence, on the same day it became known that for almost two days members of the election headquarters of Ivan Rybkin could not find him. Including , Rybkin could not be reached by telephone. "
    You give, motivate. If I’m not mistaken, in the case when the "horse is driven" - they will remove all the candidates and all over again.
    Yes, "Horse" and Co. they understand this very well and therefore we’ll still hear a lot of Oh-oh-why from our Greedy Dyarka, she’s only in the hut, that is, into the “boat” to get into, and there will already start screams from that same comrade Zablitsev :)))
  19. looker-on
    looker-on 10 November 2017 12: 16
    +6
    And is that analytics? laughing pull out of context. Dousing someone and saying that everything is cool with us, Putin will survive even a nuclear winter. I'm not Putin. And my children too. Tired of "worrying" I want to live! Oil is no longer cheap and the ruble is getting cheaper. We have become poorer at least 2 times. And the economy is shrinking. Nafig such a "experience" when you know for sure that in 2018 it will be even worse than in 2017
  20. dDYHA
    dDYHA 10 November 2017 16: 11
    +2
    And what was the use of it? Trump in Beijing has already visited all agreed. Soon we will rush with oil and gas "like an old maid with innocence that no one needs."
  21. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 10 November 2017 17: 47
    0
    Too much attention to this MARE, who is she? An ordinary party girl, with limited views.
  22. Roman 11
    Roman 11 10 November 2017 18: 05
    +2
    Ugh, this smiling snout again .... it's already impossible to watch. It looks like they are watching Putin in kindergartens and rest homes for FSB pensioners (they have a good pension). After switching to cadastral valuation on property, taxes almost doubled !! Well, how to vote for this under-creation ?? Carifans on the lists, they don’t pay taxes! Their taxes have passed on us bastards.

    Critters, God's judgment will come for you, for drinking folk blood for the sake of the rich.

    I voted for Zyuganov and I will vote, but not for these bandits.
  23. Roman 11
    Roman 11 10 November 2017 18: 18
    +2
    Quote: horhe48
    The question is, and the government, why is it at all?

    Raise taxes from your own citizens! fool
  24. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 10 November 2017 18: 50
    0
    Our president is a great man, and it is very necessary for the country to go to the polls and rule the country for another term. For equal to him in wisdom, charisma and patriotism, the successor is not visible even on the horizon. And just a catastrophe can come for a country if a non-patriotic, strong-willed leader comes to power, and even more so if only remotely resembles Sobchak. Another 20 years of stability and Russia will not be recognized. We all must remember the words of the great Stolypin, addressed to those who destroyed the country: "We need a great Russia, and you need great upheavals." The president often repeated these words. We must repeat them, and not just repeat them, but throw them in the face of the liberals who are looking towards the West and are ready to betray the country at any time.
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 10 November 2017 20: 46
      +2
      Quote: andrew 07
      Our president is a great man

      Here, instead of me, and pay taxes ..... great. Senior citizen or what?
      1. raid14
        raid14 10 November 2017 21: 08
        +1
        Not a pensioner, an Internet bot, he has all the first-person comments in the plural. (you, we must, are obligated, etc.)
  25. Vitaly
    Vitaly 10 November 2017 18: 50
    0
    Quote: Vitaly
    They didn’t “impose” him, HE -!

    Quote: freejack
    And you are the “people”? ... They’ve “laid a blame” on you? ... :) Putin would have survived the cost of oil equal to zero ... He is the president. Its resource is inexhaustible ... wink

    8F
    Quote: freejack
    And you are the “people”? ... They’ve “laid a blame” on you? ... :) Putin would have survived the cost of oil equal to zero ... He is the president. Its resource is inexhaustible ... wink

    Quote: freejack
    And you are the “people”? ... They’ve “laid a blame” on you? ... :) Putin would have survived the cost of oil equal to zero ... He is the president. Its resource is inexhaustible ... wink

    He wasn’t “laid on”, HE IS PIND oc!
  26. Yeti
    Yeti 11 November 2017 03: 11
    0
    But what's the difference with the knowledge of the Kremlin Ksyusha got out or not. Is she smart or a fool? At the moment, the situation without Putin will not get any easier. And quite the opposite. Before you moan about the people, it is necessary that the country retains the opportunity to take care of it. And these moronic moans “It would be better if they gave pensioners and children” do not cause anything but vomiting.
  27. Tess
    Tess 13 November 2017 11: 54
    +1
    [i] [/ i] The game began a la election)) we clean our ears and listen to the pearls of Xenoshladka
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