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VSU: It will help us to carry out shelling from hidden positions ...

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Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the so-called volunteer movement, which provides assistance to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, continue to publish materials on deliveries made for the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the national battalions to the Donbass. Virtually each of these publications is direct evidence that Ukraine is violating the armistice agreement previously reached by the contact group. It is noteworthy that the reports of Donetsk sources about the shelling of the territory of the DPR in Ukraine are called “fakes”, while they themselves publish confirmations of the shelling of the territory of the people's republic from the available weapons.


Here is the publication of one of the representatives of the "volunteer" movement of Ukraine Yuri Mysygin on the social network:
Not all of my followers and friends will understand what these pieces of iron are in the photo.

We ordered the 53 Brigade and the 43 Infantry Battalion and today received 35 sets of special metal scales, so that our BMP-1 can now shoot at the enemy from closed-hidden positions.

Our BMP observers do not see, and the 73 caliber ammunition, by the way, not prohibited by the Minsk agreements, flies to the dugout or to the support post.


VSU: It will help us to carry out shelling from hidden positions ...



But Mr. Masyagin does not say that much more often Ukrainian ammunition arrives not in dugouts and opornika, but in residential areas of the DPR settlements. This leads to another civilian casualties, the destruction of the housing stock and the infrastructure of Donbass.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 8 November 2017 14: 33 New
    +7
    Rats have rats ... out of the blue they can
    1. Going
      Going 8 November 2017 14: 35 New
      10
      We ordered for the 53rd brigade and the 43rd infantry battalion and today received 35 sets of special metal scales, so that our BMP-1 can now shoot at the enemy


      And before that they shot how? belay
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 8 November 2017 14: 38 New
        +3
        This will help us to carry out shelling from hidden positions.[i] [/ i]

        Always ready to try
        The power that lay under the west
        Steal, betray, sell
        And shit ... from around the corner.
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        Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 8 November 2017 14: 55 New
        11
        Quote: Going
        And before that they shot how? belay


        Just like us sad
        Do you think our Behi-kopeks that we got as trophies or in the form of deliveries on the “military trade”, shine with serviceability and combat readiness?
        Not really, or rather, not at all.
        There is NO repair base, spare parts for YOK, a "fluid" of mechanical drives and operators due to SOCH ...
        And sometimes they shoot at their own ...
        Here is a picture.
        I, just recently on the site, but managed to notice a trend prevailing here:
        DNRovtsy (LNRovtsy), drop caps brainless dill ...

        Alas, not 2014, and not the spirit of the militia. And not brainless dill.
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  • Primoos
    Primoos 8 November 2017 14: 38 New
    +1
    Well, one cannot speak about accuracy here. Plus or minus a kilometer. The main thing is a closed position. Hid and have a sneak, until the otvetka arrives. And she will fly to the closed one.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 8 November 2017 14: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Primoos
      Well, one cannot speak about accuracy here. Plus or minus a kilometer. The main thing is a closed position. Hid and have a sneak, until the otvetka arrives. And she will fly to the closed one.

      That is yes. Well, so it is already necessary to order something new for them, so that they would remotely wash the spit from their grave from the grave ...
    2. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 8 November 2017 15: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: Primoos
      The main thing is a closed position. Hid and have a sneak, until the otvetka arrives. And she will fly to the closed one.

      Until it arrives, beha: Hole-holes, and Tu-bye.
      Once again I am convinced that, unfortunately, the bulk of the people on the site, and indeed in Russia, perceive dill through the prism of Slavyansk and boilers of 2014 ...

      NOT THAT dill went now. No matter how much the engaged media and “political scientists” squealed that the AFU were falling apart and were not capable of anything.
      We have been hearing this song since 2014 ...

      But not merla ...
  • Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 8 November 2017 14: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Shura Perm
    Rats have rats ... out of the blue they can

    Emotionally - I agree. De facto, there is nothing more stupid than requiring the military to observe chivalry on the battlefield of the 21st century. Also ask our VKS pilots to land and fight with Ishilov’s fists, otherwise it’s dishonest to bomb from above like rats.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 8 November 2017 14: 45 New
      +8
      Quote: Young_Communist
      Still require our VKS pilots

      Dear YOUR VKS PILOTS? belay Tell me, when did Bulgaria bomb ISIS? And does Bulgaria have a videoconferencing system? laughing
      1. Yuri. Kaliningrad
        Yuri. Kaliningrad 8 November 2017 14: 57 New
        0
        Why did you get that he is Bulgarian? When I write comments here, the flag of the country where I am located lights up.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 8 November 2017 15: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Young_Communist
      Also ask our VKS pilots to land and fight with Ishilov’s fists, otherwise it’s dishonest to bomb from above like rats.

      some kind of trouble in your head !!! wassat wassat wassat
  • Burbon
    Burbon 8 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Shura Perm
    out of the blue they can

    ???? Now all the wars and conflicts are out of the blue .... they don’t run into bayonet taperes ..... didn’t know?
  • askort154
    askort154 8 November 2017 14: 34 New
    +1
    Here they are, the hohlyacki know-how - looked at the scale - "shot and forgot." wassat
  • demo
    demo 8 November 2017 14: 35 New
    +2
    It was a sinful thing to think that they were holding devices for measuring what Lyashko became famous with each other.
    They have such customs.
    1. Kondratko
      Kondratko 8 November 2017 17: 50 New
      +1
      "devices for measuring what he is famous for"
      Depth gauges chtoli?
      lol
  • polpot
    polpot 8 November 2017 14: 40 New
    +2
    The holiday at the Papuans brought sights to the slingshots
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 8 November 2017 16: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: polpot
      The holiday at the Papuans brought sights to the slingshots

      All banter ...
      But really, these scales will allow for more accurate fire from extreme distances from closed positions ...
      Funny that primitive? And we don’t have such ones ...

      Want to laugh? Laugh from the legendary attack aircraft IL 2 ... He didn’t have a bomb sight at all. He was replaced by a scale drawn on the hood from several lines ...
      1. ochakow703
        ochakow703 9 November 2017 07: 48 New
        +1
        And as Ilyusha bombed, the current warriors can only be sad. Electronics was cut down, but imagine this happens, and not just bomb, it will not be able to land. And Ilya pointed out a striker on the stripes on the hood, the Fritz sometimes even fired themselves, only if they couldn’t get into the sight (stripes) of the Ilyukha.
        1. rin
          rin 12 November 2017 14: 22 New
          0
          Maybe you should get rid of Soviet pathos?
          No matter what the plane may be, being in the zone of its shelling (bombardment), NOBODY wants to get into its sight.
          Maybe you should read the German reports on the effectiveness of the silt attack? Read, the effectiveness was not so great, but when in the 43rd they began to use small and at first glance low-power cumulative bombs, here the effect became the highest, which the Germans themselves wrote with great regret. Moreover, it was not about losses in personnel, but incredible harm to cars and armored vehicles.
          The most effective bombing is done with a dive. True, the Soviet Pe-2 did not have hydraulics, so the flyer did not really strive to "severely speculate", because there was no guarantee that there was enough strength to get out of this dive. But the Germans were not so, so the flyer clearly knew that the plane had enough power, and for what not. Hence the result is severe.
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 8 November 2017 14: 43 New
    +3
    From a closed position from the Thunder ... It seems to me that with the same success you can weld a wind vane to the tower, because no scales will help here, and at least the wind direction will indicate the wind vane, so that later, on the principle of “two bast shoes” to the left to the right and closer, further adjust the shooting. High-precision pancake.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 8 November 2017 15: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Blue Fox
      From a closed position from Thunder ...

      With intensive shelling, that of a behi-kopek, that of a "boot", even if not quite aimed, we, the infantry, have to "press our ears" yes Especially when they hit with shrapnel ...
      And taking into account the fact that almost all (with rare exceptions of the US) guns of more than 100 mm are allotted to the fucking Minsk, such firing makes sense ...
      1. Blue fox
        Blue fox 8 November 2017 16: 57 New
        0
        Personally, I’m not talking about shooting as such and about the effectiveness of the ammunition on the target, but about more or less aimed. Naturally, it is possible and necessary to use all available means, both obsolete and others, but in this case, the effectiveness of firing at a single target causes me doubts.
        PS In your particular case, I heard somewhere from someone I don’t remember where, that in 2015, in the Lugansk direction, quite suitable wooden home-made anti-personnel mines were made of 200 drafts and "covert" UZRGM without a moderator and planted in landings. It seems that some later in Poland did not go for apples.
    2. Maz
      Maz 8 November 2017 15: 39 New
      0
      But what, in calm weather at a distance of 3 km or where does 73mm fly there until it self-destructs? And BMP 1, is it fashionable and can such a view be brought to the line of demarcation?
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 8 November 2017 15: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Maz
        But what, in calm weather at a distance of 3 km or where does 73mm fly there until it self-destructs? And BMP 1, is it fashionable and can such a view be brought to the line of demarcation?

        And what is the "demarcation line" belay ? Front line ? FRONT.
        Front, this is war. And in war, to survive and defeat everything is possible. In the case of the position where we are standing, it is 1550 meters ...
        And besides, have you ever heard that a self-liquidator can be removed from a “carrot”, that SPGshnoy, that “Gromovskaya, that RPGshnoy, through two“ trumpet ”keys, knowledge and some skill?
    3. Maz
      Maz 8 November 2017 15: 45 New
      +1
      With a target height of 2 meters, the direct range of the PG-9 grenade is 765 meters, and the maximum range is 1300 meters [1]. To combat the enemy infantry, an OG-15V high-explosive fragmentation bomb with a maximum range of 4400 meters is used [8]. And to shoot from it is very simple and even comfortable. I do not envy those who fall into calm
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 8 November 2017 15: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        I do not envy those who fall into calm

        We will break through.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 November 2017 15: 01 New
    0
    Not all of my followers and friends will understand what these pieces of iron are in the photo.

    Everything is fine. In the APU the more they will not understand all! They will sell it. And if they don’t buy it, then really, they will measure the pods “in closed positions”.
    1. den3080
      den3080 8 November 2017 15: 18 New
      +1
      I’ve been taken right off the tongue)) I looked at the photo at first and thought: what kind of scribble is that ??
  • Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 November 2017 15: 14 New
    0
    The meaner and more criminal plan, the more likely it is to be embodied in ukroine. ...
  • Sergey53
    Sergey53 8 November 2017 15: 52 New
    0
    Of course, they act like rats, but in general, this is the usual tactics of warfare of the US Army. To cause discontent of the civilian population.
    1. rin
      rin 11 November 2017 12: 51 New
      0
      Rashavatans do not understand ONE - Ukraine is going to RETURN these territories. Well, now think with your softened brains about why she should cause discontent among the civilian population, destroy houses and infrastructure, destroy critical environmental safety objects, etc.
      Just ask, look at the question through the eyes of a normal, sober-minded person, and not from the creation of the Socialist-Revolutionary excrement, when the destruction of one’s own objects is considered heroism (from the war of 1812 to the Chechen war).
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 11 November 2017 13: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: rin
        The Rashavatans do not understand ...

        ABOUT! Fresh troll formed!
        Quote: rin
        Just ask, look at the question through the eyes of a normal sober-minded person, and not from the creation of the Socialist-Revolutionary excrement

        What a greyhound ... belay
        Oh, dear ... come on, return ... and they meet the train yes
        1. rin
          rin 12 November 2017 10: 53 New
          0
          And it is you that hurt you?
          Well, it means "to cause discontent among civilians by shelling them" does not hurt you.
          But someone is firing at them, someone is NECESSARY to “excite”, “anger” this population, etc. Who needs this? I think that you yourself understand this.
  • Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 8 November 2017 15: 54 New
    +1
    Would sell for a long time, but who will buy it?
  • BAI
    BAI 8 November 2017 16: 14 New
    +2
    It has long been known that the Armed Forces of Ukraine consider themselves completely combat-ready and are eager for battle. There is no collapse there. Do not underestimate the enemy. These rulers. Of course, not the Escaliburs that they wrote about today, but also better than nothing.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2017 16: 34 New
    0
    The article is semi-provocation. The fact that the fire does not stop on both sides, even children know. But the anonymous author “with a firm hand” points to the main consequences - the shelling of residential areas. The maximum firing range of “thunder” is 4400 meters. For this distance and scale is not needed. But how many Ukrainians on the front approached this distance to the blocks? Frontier depots suffer without any scales.
    I would not even put “five cents” if the author-thrower indicated material where volunteers developed an active-rocket projectile for “revenge” or “peony”. This weapon is really not for otvetki on a lone machine gunner.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2017 17: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The maximum firing range of "thunder" - 4400 meters

      This is with the regular use of technology. Without artificially increasing the elevation angle of the gun to 45 degrees. Roughly out of proportion, the “splinter” can be abandoned for 6 kilometers by simply installing an IFV in the pit, as the Americans in Korea did with the “Sherman”

      And for the low-speed "shard", which is without a rocket engine. If a “splinter” with an initial of 290 m / s can be thrown for 6 kilometers, then to what distance will the cumulative fly away, which, after the end of the outgoing flight, has a speed of 665 m / s?
    2. German Titov
      German Titov 8 November 2017 20: 12 New
      0
      Well, for example, the area of ​​the "1st site" of Donetsk, Staromikhaylovka, Trudovskie and more is enough ...
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 8 November 2017 17: 43 New
    0
    73 caliber ammunition

    this is what small things?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 9 November 2017 21: 04 New
      0
      BMP-1, an old weapon, but reliable.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2017 18: 44 New
    +1
    This is necessary! Just one crap with holes and a scale. What the hell are all these ballistic computers, rangefinders, target designators, cameras on the UAV you just need ..................
    1. rin
      rin 11 November 2017 12: 46 New
      0
      Is it bad with a rangefinder or UAV? Well, even excellent, but they MUST BE, and also be in good condition. Well, if not. but there are such adaptations, that’s good.
      The fighters told me that at maximum range and only if there are tables they can hit the target with an error of no more than 25 meters. For such a gun and ammunition - this is super.
  • Disorder
    Disorder 8 November 2017 20: 26 New
    +1
    In fact, to shoot from closed positions, you need a spotter, not obscure pieces of iron.
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 9 November 2017 05: 39 New
      +1
      This is if the accuracy of the hit is really required, and not a finger in the duplex. And BMP-1s are not adapted for firing along a hinged trajectory. It's a gun, not a howitzer. Yes, and these pieces of iron, the next peasant folk art, issued as an innovation ... on the principle of bezrybe and APU will become a cancer.
  • adma
    adma 8 November 2017 20: 30 New
    0
    I don't know BMP. But doesn’t it have an azimuth indicator and a side level like in a tank for firing from closed fire positions?
    1. rin
      rin 11 November 2017 12: 41 New
      0
      First, no. And secondly, ask the tankers how often they do it or train during training firing. Or is it simpler - do they have tables for firing from closed firing positions (or, in general, they once saw them)?
      1. adma
        adma 11 November 2017 15: 25 New
        0
        Firstly, I am a professional tanker. Secondly, if I would need to know the nuances of firing from a closed firing position. I would ask about this.
        1. rin
          rin 12 November 2017 11: 12 New
          0
          Well then, they should know that SOMETHING should give the tankman an indication of the azimuth and lateral level setting, and for this, something is needed there (tables, for example). The thing, in general, is not tricky, but only when the war broke out and the need for such a shooting began, it turned out that neither acting officers nor veterans remember about such tables. Most likely they were still there, but it was so long ago ... at least on the T-72 and T-64 they did not even find anything in the libraries.
          In Ukraine, they were instructed to do this at the department of fire training of what was left of the Kharkov Tank School. They did it.
          In general, it is VERY interesting to read blogs and posts related to the repair of Soviet armored vehicles. On both sides the same iron, and the people who in the old days studied at the same schools, discuss the same issues, but from the warring parties ...
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 9 November 2017 05: 37 New
    0
    For every cunning ukakainskoye zhzhzhzhzhpu there is yourself you understand that from the militia of the Donbass!
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 9 November 2017 07: 51 New
    +1
    What about the essence? At least from an open, even from a closed position ... one vegetable is simply the murder of your sisters and brothers. Not much time will pass and all these arrows (by the way from both sides) will regret it, call it a mistake and more ...
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 9 November 2017 21: 06 New
      0
      (by the way on both sides)
      But what did the Republicans do? What didn’t let themselves be killed?
    2. rin
      rin 12 November 2017 16: 52 New
      0
      Have you read a lot about how the Soviet artillerymen (pilots and not only) regretted the destruction of houses, bridges and buildings? They fought the enemy, liberated their territory!
      The Ukrainian military has long regretted that as a result of war and shooting, it was destroyed and killed.
      Bridges across the rivers in Donbass were not blown up by militias, because they didn’t want to do that either, and resisted in every way. Well, the Russian special forces for the happiness of practicing.
      And about the error, you better ask the residents of the DNI, LC and Crimea. First of all, they will tell you that a HUGE mistake is that they were PROMISED to accept them as part of the Russian Federation, to provide work and high salaries with pensions ("like in CRIMEA"), and if this is the territory of the Russian Federation, then Ukrainians will not turn up. But it somehow turned out wrong.
      Do you think the racians acknowledge their behavior as a mistake? Including after the Russian artillerymen and paratroopers, after being taken "for courage", talk about how they fired upon the APU and fought in Ukraine?
      When the inhabitants of Gukovo in the 14th laid out how the Grads are massively shelling Ukraine, is it like jokes or laughter? At all times and in all countries this is called armed aggression.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 17: 14 New
        +7
        Quote: rin
        First of all, they will tell you that a HUGE mistake is that they were PROMISED to accept them as part of the Russian Federation

        Specifically - who promised when and when - to the studio. The link is desirable, not shabby yes
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 13 November 2017 06: 53 New
        +7
        Well, where is the reference?
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: rin
        First of all, they will tell you that a HUGE mistake is that they were PROMISED to accept them as part of the Russian Federation

        Specifically - who promised when and when - to the studio. The link is desirable, not shabby yes

        Broke, break ... bucket (s).
        The language of revenge - do not toss the bags, yeah yes
        1. rin
          rin 13 November 2017 22: 57 New
          0
          And who at that time “communicated” with the local masses?
          I wiped the links to the September rallies a long time ago, because it’s not interesting for me, but if you rummage around, you’ll probably find it. But the most important agitation factor was different - if you repeat all one to one as in the Crimea, then the consequences will be the same. simply put, we are holding a supposedly referendum, voting, we are turning to the Russian Federation and here it is happiness ...
          You probably don’t know what the euphoria of the crowd is. But Nitsche is so, you do not have much time left, feel with your dorsal skin ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 13 November 2017 23: 01 New
            +7
            Whoa ... not so zealous, please ...
            A simple question: the names and positions of those (or those) who, in your opinion, "communicated to the masses to accept them in the Russian Federation."
            Briefly, clearly and without unnecessary words, if Mona ...
  • rin
    rin 11 November 2017 12: 39 New
    0
    I don’t know how to turn to the bulk of "experts", "ignoramuses" or "watapukans" or "spray throwers"?
    Shooting from closed fire positions is the defeat of a target for which there is no visual connection. That's all ... this is the main type of shooting for ALL gunners (except anti-tank).
    From the gun "Thunder" on the BMP-1 and its portable analogue LNG, such firing was not foreseen. Why - well, here the customer in the person of the USSR Ministry of Defense did not provide for this function. And sometimes it’s necessary to shoot, because there’s nothing more to shoot (especially when howitzers are taken out of the 30-kilometer zone).
    That's all, experts are bad.
  • adma
    adma 12 November 2017 14: 37 New
    0
    Quote: rin
    that SOMETHING should give the tankman an indication of the azimuth and lateral level setting

    Or maybe the tanker himself shoots during the day, adjusts the firing and puts the data in the table. With reference to landmarks. At a line of sight or with the help of a spotter.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 November 2017 14: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: adma
      Quote: rin
      that SOMETHING should give the tankman an indication of the azimuth and lateral level setting

      Or maybe the tanker himself shoots during the day, adjusts the firing and puts the data in the table. With reference to landmarks. At a line of sight or with the help of a spotter.

      You, excuse me, know how to read? Again:
      azimuth and side level

      What, to the raven, "shooting at a line of sight" lateral level?? fool
      Quote: adma
      .. tankman himself shoots in the afternoon corrects firing ...

      For kilometers it’s 10+, yeah ...
      Quote: adma
      ... or with the help of a spotter

      So all the same, or "using" ??
      Have played enough in HER, and think that they understood something negative
    2. rin
      rin 12 November 2017 16: 42 New
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      Initially, the question was raised about closed firing positions - there is no direct line of sight.
      So without a spotter accurate shooting and fail, everything else is possible. But first, you need to produce a "shot in the right direction."
      And about the spotter. After all, he should correct not “0,5 to the left, 100 further,” and the tank can stand a little tilted ...
  • adma
    adma 15 November 2017 19: 10 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    What, to the raven, "shooting at a line of sight" at the lateral level ???

    Thanks, laughed.
    About shooting at night and in conditions of poor visibility, according to the landmarks and data of the shooting tables, have you heard? No? Regrettably. lol
  • adma
    adma 15 November 2017 19: 12 New
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    Quote: rin
    Initially, the question was raised about closed firing positions - there is no direct line of sight.

    Initially, the article posed for shooting
    from closed-hidden positions.
    And, as far as I understand, a hidden position does not contradict firing at a line of sight.
  • adma
    adma 15 November 2017 19: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    For kilometers it’s 10+, yeah ...

    Pardonte dear. Did I say anything about adjusting firing for 10+?
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    So all the same, or "using" ??

    I repeat for those who are in the tank. Himself or with the help of spotters. yes