German media: Su-30CM American "Eagle" is not a competitor

The Su-30CM fighter is a really good car, but it is inferior in speed and combat load to the F-15E Strike Eagle, besides the Russian plane is not equipped with stealth technology, the German newspaper Die Welt writes. Article leads InoTV.

“Nesterov’s hinges, cobras — this is what the Military Space Forces boast of,” the material says.

Recently, the Russian Defense Ministry published a video that demonstrates the capabilities of the Su-30CM fighter - “this is the latest and most modern version of the popular Su-30 multi-role fighter,” the newspaper explains.

“Spectacular shots” confirm that Russian fighters are indeed able to perform the most complex aerobatic maneuvers. “Such an air maneuver, like a cobra, is completely able to execute only a few military fighters,” the author notes.

The new Su-30MM is able to pick up the speed of Mach 2. The fighter’s combat load is about 8 tons, and the maximum flight range is 3 thousand km, the newspaper continues, “however, the new Russian military jet airplane has a drawback - there are no masking elements”.

“Su-30CM is considered the answer to McDonnell Douglas’s American F-15E Strike Eagle. According to The Business Insider, this is the first Su-30 with thrust vector control, which makes it very manoeuvrable and easily manageable. The manufacturing company "Irkut" even talks about "super-maneuverability" in an attempt to attract customers. That's just the combat load of the F-15E more than the Su-30CM. In addition, the American fighter achieves the speed of Mach 2,5 and is equipped with “stealth” technology, ”concludes the publication.

Comments

[Uryukc]

German media: Su-30CM American "Eagle" is not a competitor

[Primoos]

Consoled themselves, otherwise it is terrible to live in this world. And they do not need a loop, and other figures. Well, fly on the irons, since the figures are not capable.

[Uryukc]

Since F-15 are so good, they would have at least once won the Hindus in a training battle, and even better would have agreed to a training battle with ours.

[SPACE]

Quote: Uryukc

Since F-15 are so good, they would have at least once won the Hindus in a training battle, and even better would have agreed to a training battle with ours.

Here Kharchevsky claims that a pair of Su 27ub flew to the United States and had joint maneuvers with the Needles, although the Americans deny this.
http://alternathistory.com/ispytano-v-ssha-i-ross
ii-uchebnye-vozdushnye-boi-su-27-ub-protiv-f-15d-
v-lengli

[Anatoly Voron]

Quite and all the same, they flew with full combat equipment, .. They flew to the base, they kissed Sushki, masturbated the control knobs, and ours say to them, “Well, girls, no photo machine guns, the battle is full Seriously, with the use of all weapons and amehas they immediately put them in leggings .. Moreover, our guys offered 4 F-15s, against 2 Dryers ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Uryukc

Since F-15 are so good, they would have at least once won the Hindus in a training battle, and even better would have agreed to a training battle with ours.

And not only F-15, but also F18, F-22 (against the Malaysian SU-30) ... and as for the Indians, they even put MIG-21 Bison against the Eagles ..

Time: 2004
Location: a / b Gwalior, India
Aircraft: F-15C with AN / APG-63 radar from the American side and MiG-21, MiG-27, Mirage-2000 from the Indian
The format of the exercises: aerial battles of the Indian Air Force against the American.
The result of the exercises: Hindus on the Mig-21 bison, using Israeli electronic warfare stations, interfered with the American F-15, broke into the melee zone, and, using their numerical advantages, often won.
Conclusion: the MiG-21 bison in terms of combat effectiveness is not much inferior to the F-15C with the AN / APG-63 radar

And why even against 21 there F-15 showed?

[Igor Krasnov]

nexus say

[Igor Krasnov]

Nex Che is dead?

[Juborg]

Here the most interesting thing about the "stealth" airplane from the 80s. Apparently powdered with powder.

[valerij]

A plane is not even 80, this is an earlier instance ..

[LSA57]

Quote: Primoos

Well, fly on irons, since they are not capable of figures.

as they said at the dawn of aviation "pancake"

[NIKNN]

Quote: LSA57

as they said at the dawn of aviation "pancake"

Here they have deliberate misleading.

That's just the combat load of the F-15E more than the Su-30SM. In addition, the American fighter reaches Mach 2,5 and is equipped with stealth technology, ”concludes the publication.

Firstly, with its full combat load (I don’t know if the suspension units will be enough to load 11 tons), I doubt that he will be able to conquer supersonic. Secondly, stealth technologies besides paint aren’t from the word at all ... The only thing he surpasses ours is the price. $ 100 million ($ 136 for the F-15SA)

[LSA57]

Quote: NIKNN

Secondly, stealth technologies besides paint aren’t from the word at all ...

and even, as far as I know, it is invisible only in front. from other angles we can even see it.
Well, somewhere I read the revelations of an American pilot. in your own words. our pilots in flight do not think the orb limits on aerobatics. American on the contrary, keep them in mind, which is what affects. that is, in this respect, ours are freer in choice. and this leads to an advantage

[NIKNN]

Quote: LSA57

and even, as far as I know, it is invisible only in front.

And in front we see perfectly. On it, only the coating was applied and the tanks were conframny (they seem to shine less) Well, how can an airplane with one of the largest EPRs be made stealth by paint?

If in the 1980s F-15 aircraft had an EPR of more than 10 m2, then the modernized aviation complex has an EPR of 1-1.5 m2

Yes, and then the EPR 1-1.5m2 is far from stealth, if they position the E22 F0.003 as 2mXNUMX and at the same time we also see it Positioned as an advertising stunt for woodpeckers ...

[Anatoly Rukavishnikov]

And we see radars from the 1948 issue from all sides.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: LSA57

and even, as far as I know, it is invisible only in front. from other angles we can even see it.

maybe they meant that it is invisible ... visually at a distance of about 500 km ??? !!!

[NIKNN]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

visually at a distance of about 500 km ??? !!

Why don’t they know that we still give binoculars to a tablet with a card?

[Vlad.by]

These same media confused Strike Eagle with Silent Eagle. Well, experts, what do you take.
And so, yes, with an equal combat load, it is useless to compare the F-15 with the Su-30.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Vlad.by

confused Strike Eagle with Silent Eagle.

This I noticed, only does not fundamentally change the situation.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: NIKNN

The only thing he surpasses ours is the price. $ 100 million ($ 136 for the F-15SA)

[Satanator]

alas, but superior in yet another, but most important - in quantity (((

[Anatoly Rukavishnikov]

Yes, Americans have always PR their products. Only one piracy with a flight to the moon was worth what (it’s good that they didn’t think of showing how brave Americans flew to Mars, or even to the SUN !!!).

[andrewkor]

German pilots cried, passing MiG to Poland, to which they loved the 29th, what can we say about Su!

[Slovak]

They did not take into account the main thing: 1 Russian pilot = 5 American, or 8 German.

[Vladislav Bolshakov_2]

1 Russian = 10 Prussian pilots. And Prussian to all Germans - German!

[Maz]

So what? Ordinary PR

[Bourbon]

Quote: Maz

So what? Ordinary PR

what PR ???? - ordinary trolling !!!

[LSA57]

Quote: Maz

So what? Ordinary PR

the most ridiculous, PR someone else's plane nothing is left of his own. recently there was infa, the last submarine ruined

[Finches]

The Germans write this, I think, from evil, experiencing a huge sense of their own inferiority - remembering that they once had superiority in this area, creating reactive messengers, having the most powerful Air Force in the world, but shaved everything, first to the Russian Yaks and Ilam, and then and generally lay down under the Yankees ... Fu, suckers!

[Grandfather]

battle with the application! one on one! -will never dare. Only scratch your tongues ...

[MoJloT]

one on one now nothing is solved in general, this multifunctional complexes can only work effectively in conjunction with other means.

[Chills]

Not at all. Ideally, it is not solved, but in practice it is still solved.

[weksha50]

Quote: Dead Day

battle with the application! one on one! -will never dare. Only scratch your tongues ...

We want, I think, not one will be found ...
But with the Amers ... Well, what should be a reckless Yankee to go out against a Russian who was told that his plane is against Amers - is worthless?
They do not know Russian nature and will never know ...

[100502]

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

[Dimontius]

But what is it like in movies you can’t dodge missiles? if released already means a sentence? a question without jokes, explain specialists please

[Elephant]

when maneuvering, the rocket will withstand much greater overloads than a pilot in an airplane. And aerobatics will not help ...

[raw174]

Quote: Elephant

when maneuvering, the rocket will withstand much greater overloads than a pilot in an airplane. And aerobatics will not help ...

I am not special, but I think that it will not solve the resistance to overloads, but the reaction. If the pilot timely makes the right decision and maneuvers, the rocket will not be able to respond ...
Maybe it’s wrong, of course, and someone more knowledgeable will correct it ...

[bodzu]

Long-range missiles have larger mass and lower strength. As a result, less maneuverability. So over maneuverability is far from superfluous. And so, get acquainted with the theory of machines and mechanisms and other useful knowledge.

[EvilLion]

The rocket has more speed and, therefore, the radius, in addition, the rocket has fuel for seconds, it loses energy and maneuvers faster, the plane’s fuel can be considered infinite in the time frame of a missile attack, which saves energy, or even increases her.

Medium-range missiles have not shown any ultra-high kill rates according to available data, they dodge from them more often than do not dodge.

[Finches]

Better not to take off at all ...

[gukoyan]

About LTC, do not forget that, along with maneuvers, miracles can be done;)

[Scoun]

Quote: 100502

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

What do you agree with?
If you take, as you put it, “somersaults” and physics with the Doppler effect, then “somersaults” is the same thing on all counts .... if it was only somersaults, then why should there be heat traps?
The totality of all the "arsenals" of protection, increase the chance of survival and not your way.

- Why all this, running away from a rocket, you just get tired running. )))
The eternal struggle of the shield and the sword.

[sir_obs]

just a twist. The rocket has a very short marching section, the rest of the rest it goes by inertia and if you have sufficient maneuverability, like our machines, then the attacking rocket simply can not follow the target, there will not be enough inertia to perform such a maneuver.
And it is tested in practice.
The bet on missiles and long-range aerial combat was already a ball, and it all ended with the fact that the guns were returned and the close air combat did not go away.

[Anatoly Rukavishnikov]

About somersaults. During the war, our cornmen sometimes famously left the Messers. It circled around a tree, and the poor messer is already chasing after a ghost.

[voyaka uh]

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.
Around the same aircraft in all respects.

[svp67]

Quote: voyaka uh

Around the same aircraft in all respects.

Yes, you sho?

Quote: voyaka uh

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.

Yes, you can not read sho? It is said that: "In addition, the American fighter reaches the speed of Mach 2,5 and is equipped with technology" stealth ""

[zivXP]

This is so that you could run away faster from Sushka as soon as she appears nearby.

[Finches]

God's Comrade business says!

[Bourbon]

Quote: Finches

God's Comrade

are those who crucified their god Christ ?? ...

[Finches]

As the Jews themselves say, these are our internal Jewish squabbles! Goyim do not understand!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Finches

God's Comrade

are those who crucified their god Christ ?? ...

)))))))
Jews do not consider Jesus Gd
Moreover, Gd is one for all
Crucified jesus romans

[Bourbon]

Quote: Krasnodar

Crucified jesus romans

Hitler didn’t kill Jews personally .... they did ss, sd ..

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Krasnodar

Crucified jesus romans

Hitler didn’t kill Jews personally .... they did ss, sd ..

And did the Jews order Pilate? ))))
You have your own idea of ​​the hierarchy in the Roman Empire)))
And the New Testament too :)

[Bourbon]

Quote: Krasnodar

And did the Jews order Pilate?

Of course not ... Arabs. ... after all, Jesus was harmless to the Romans ..
of course the Jews insisted in the form of a court ... it was they

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Burbon

Quote: Krasnodar

And did the Jews order Pilate?

Of course not ... Arabs. ... after all, Jesus was harmless to the Romans ..
of course the Jews insisted in the form of a court ... it was they

The followers of the Iroids, who had previously defeated the Hasmoneans (from the clan of David) in the Civil War due to the fact that they called the Romans, gave it to the Romans.
Not after the trial, but after the interrogation, secondly (to judge in Passover haram, without witnesses to the defense of haram and another 70 inconsistencies of what was described in the Gospel to the procedure of the Jewish court of that time)
He was surrendered as the Messiah - that is, the king of Judea from the family of David, who was supposed to free the Jews from the Romans (very harmless to them)
Pilate in his position, besides Jesus, two people who called themselves the Messiah slammed - this is a historical fact. :)
Everything else - let everyone believe what they want, I respect it - but we also know our religion, as well as history.
By the way, if Pilate wanted to spare Jesus, then in the future he would not have any problems for this.

[EvilLion]

Romans - who is this? Pilate? So the Jews demanded of him.

[Gml]

Christ crucified?

Grishka himself was destroyed and they say that the king is not real. The king is anointed after all.

[Grigory_78]

Oh wei, I beg you! Have you forgotten that the New Testament is for the goyim? Kosher Jews recognize only the Old Testament, and there is no Jesus at all, if you did not know.

[edeligor]

Quote: voyaka uh

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.

At exactly At burghers PROGIB is not set off. Yes, but in general, why was this article needed ?!

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.

sho means "about"?
1.Clean F-15C - frontal EPR more than 12 m ^ 2, fonyat OZ and the first stage of the compressor
F-15-n., Well, according to the logic-30%, i.e. 8-9 m ^ 2
If you take the F-15E-1 Silent Eagle (and he IS?), yes. there almost 3-5 m ^ 2:
- RPM
- hidden weapons bays,
radar lockers, etc.
2. ESR Su-27 (basic, clean), in that frontal projection is about 12 meters (so it is considered in the West, but they are mistaken), and the most "licked" of the Russian MiG-35 fighter jets has a frontal EPR around 5 meters.
SU-30MKI approximately 7-8 m ^ 2
3. About "about"
Range radar with a passive response

sqrt from EPR (EPO)
sqrt (9) = 3
sqrt (8) = 2,82
it is quite significant

Quote: svp67

Yes, you can not read sho? It is said that: "In addition, the American fighter reaches the speed of Mach 2,5 and is equipped with technology" stealth ""

It is a
Die Welt.
They have their own criteria for knowledge

[Scoun]

Quote: opus

sqrt from EPR (EPO)
sqrt (9) = 3
sqrt (8) = 2,82
it is quite significant

I understood a little but the comment is impressive!
+ definitely!
PS.
But if possible, with a translation into the proletarian language)))

[opus]

Quote: Scoun

But if possible, with a translation into the proletarian language)))

about square root?


MATLAB

I am different in the comments root square not to write

[Scoun]

Quote: opus

Quote: Scoun

But if possible, with a translation into the proletarian language)))

about square root?


MATLAB

I am different in the comments root square not to write

Eh (((aivse these skrt and scratch?)))

[EvilLion]

From where 5 meters, up to a meter with something, judging by the available statements, they reduce EPR without the use of special stealth technologies.

[EvilLion]

The decrease in the detection range is proportional to the root of the 4 degree from the EPR. To reduce the range by 2 times, it is necessary to reduce the EPR by 16 times.

[bodzu]

I agree a lot depends on the pilot.

[Just a man]

Something from the article, I did not understand who was standing on whom? I thought serious analytical material, but this is just an article of slag, nothing about.

[Mountain shooter]

And where's the F-15 Stealth? Yes, let them think they want. Of course they are better. Because it’s more expensive ... But expensive is never bad

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And where is the F-15 Stealth?

Where, where ... in the tail ....

[LSA57]

Quote: svp67

Where, where ... in the tail ....

not under the tail?

[Grandfather]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Of course they are better. Because more expensive ..

noooo! because american.

[Gale]

about f-15 silent needles heard? it’s true that it will be a prodigy at a price higher than f-35, but nevertheless there is such a device, but that’s not the point ..
f-15 of the latest modifications has afar, advanced avionics and a rich nomenclature of WTO, how can the su-30 respond? somersaults at an air show?)

[Vanek]

In the first round, the role of the target was played by the F-15D, which was attacked by the Su-27UB. In the future, it was supposed to swap places. For the American “eagle” the task of “shaking off” the Russian fighter from the tail turned out to be impossible. But the "twenty-seventh" kept the enemy in sight without much effort.

Change of position further widened the gap in results. Attacked by an American, the Su-27UB with the help of an energetic U-turn with climb at full fast-and-furious detached itself from the enemy, and after one and a half full turns left the tail of the “fifteenth”, capturing the target. True, after the C / -27UB “flunked” the F-15, it turned out that by doing so he “removed” the witness, who turned out to be an innocent F-15D escort aircraft.

After that, the Russian pilot took up his specific opponent - the two-seater F-15D. And he completely lost sight of the Su-27UB and was forced to request an escort aircraft about the location of the enemy. At this time, the "twenty-seventh" went into the tail of the F-15D and, remaining undetected for that, firmly held it in the sight, which was reported from the escort aircraft. The American repeatedly tried to break away from the pursuing "twenty-seventh", but all his attempts were futile.

The change of pilots in the cockpits of the "fighting" aircraft did not bring any surprises to the results. And the second Russian pilot “beat” the new American pilot who occupied the cockpit of the F-15D. The vaunted American “eagle” was put to shame by a Russian Su-fighter, which this time left air superiority at the near approaches to the United States.

Of course, the results of this friendly meeting were not covered by the American media.

They said somersaults, they said the air show.

[opus]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And where is the F-15 Stealth?

F-15E-1 Silent Eagle
here




weapons bays can be replaced with comformed fuel tanks and vice versa.
Keels collapsed out.
RPM
Radar lockers

Positioned as a competitor F-35.

in the frontal plane, under certain conditions, to 3 m ^ 2

Quote: svp67

Where, where ... in the tail ....

so exactly (or rather including) - the collapse

и
General Electric F-110- GE -129 instead of traditional Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220


+ "little things"


APG-63 (V) 3 AESA (AFAR)

[rotmistr60]

The Germans would do well to look at their Air Force, which they have in a deplorable state. Or they also hope that the Americans will protect, so they decided to abandon the bream.

[PROXOR]

The Germans will soon have a Fu-35. NANO-SURVUNDERWAFFLE !!!!

[askort154]

rotmistr60 ..... The Germans would not hurt to look at their Air Force, which they have in a deplorable state.

.... It turned out that out of 30 Tiger attack helicopters, only 10 are suitable for use, out of 33 NH90 helicopters, only 8 are operational, 89 out of 38 Tornado fighters, 56 out of 24 Transall transport ...
(from the report of Helmut Könninghaus, chief inspector of the combat readiness of the armed forces of the FRG, September 24.09.2014, XNUMX)

[Sauron80]

Goering in a coffin spins and wipes away tears.

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

The Germans do not say - they only repeat what the Americans told them. He will say it wrong, he will receive it from the American in the face. The slave awakens to say what the master orders him.

[Livonetc]

Quote: 100502

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

Well, then you probably know about missiles.
How are things going there.
Or all the money pledged, wasted in vain on the "serpentarium"?
Anyway, who established that a particular quality is NOW IMPORTANT?

[aleks26]

Quote: Livonetc

Anyway, who established that a particular quality is NOW IMPORTANT?

By the way, from an interview with air developers (of different) - the benefits of both super-maneuverability and stealth technologies are VERY exaggerated!

[afrikanez]

Actually, a man dreamed of flying like a bird, and not like a brick thrown from a bell tower. So, in our opinion, the F-15 flight is the very fall from a height with a very high speed (in the presence of stealth technology). Well, we will continue to fly like birds, easily and naturally.

[PROXOR]

Poor guys. Only pisyulkami and remains to hide behind. Given the Su-30SM radar and the R-37 missile, a pinched eagle does not even need pirouettes. It will be like in a saying, eyes see and hands are short.

[_Jack_]

In general, everything is true - the combat load of the F-15E is about 11 tons, against 8 for the SU-30SM, the maximum speed is 2655 km / h F-15E, 2350 km / h SU-30SM. Stealth is not in both.
The thrust of the Pratt & Whitney F100F100-229 is slightly more than that of the AL-31FP, apparently due to this advantage.
Maneuverability is better with the SU-30SM. In general, planes are close in terms of characteristics.

[Sauron80]

And all 11 tons in hidden compartments? And he picks up maximum speed with maximum load?

[_Jack_]

And all 11 tons in hidden compartments?

Nobody talked about hidden compartments, this is not the 5th generation. On the pylons, the same as in the SU-30SM.

And he picks up maximum speed with maximum load?

So the SU-30SM will not pick up maximum speed with maximum load, everything is fair.

[vik669]

Our Masha is better than yours, our Masha is the best!

[SergF123]

The mattress and the Russian Federation have different approaches to indicators ......

[ul_vitalii]

It means that the Americans are soon sucking in the Hanses of the “Eagles”, while they are calming themselves, and there they decide what to do with them.

[Mar.Tirah]

Data February 2004 in the Indian Gulior. The ratio of conditional losses was 9: 1 in favor of the Indian Air Force
In long-distance battles, outside of visual visibility, the F-15C and Su-30 detected each other with the help of radar at approximately equal distances, but Indian pilots were the first to carry out conditional launches of the UR-27 and, accordingly, were more likely to win.
In a maneuverable battle, the Su-30, even in the case without an engine with OVT, completely surpassed the F-15C, and not least due to the greater fuel supply, so Indians more often than Americans could include afterburners for a longer time. And if the F-15 uses outboard tanks, to increase the flight range, what kind of stealth are we talking about? Here's the answer!

[d ^ Amir]

Well fso !!!!! Russian funka !!!! ahtung !!!! you have a shit !!!! we have "an American fighter reaches Mach 2,5 and is equipped with stealth technology" ..... I wonder what Die Welt uses before writing ???? it doesn’t look like alcohol, it hurts rich glitches ....

[Alexanast]

Well fso !!!!! Russian funka !!!! ahtung !!!! you have a shit !!!!

This is an offset ...

reaches Mach 2,5

Well, a joke about Maha ...

Rabinovich’s wife comes from the market and tells her husband:
- Oh, Abram, I gave a blunder today!
- What Mach ?! Mach left five years ago!
- Yes, you do not understand me! I gave the taxi driver five rubles and forgot to take
change.
“Oh, Sarah, you'd better give Mach!”

[d ^ Amir]

a joke, also a set-off !!!!

[aleks26]

Quote: d ^ Amir

I wonder what Die Welt use before writing ???? it doesn’t look like alcohol, it hurts rich glitches ....

ANY article is written for a specific audience! It is intended for "cooks" and humanities. But why it was posted on VO is just not clear, almost an insult to VO readers.

[Gale]

this is understandable even without German media, the latest advanced versions of the eagle and the su-35 are not a competitor, well, except for acrobatic tricks at all kinds of air shows, drying is in the lead here

[aleks26]

Quote: GaLe

The latest advanced modifications of the eagle and the self-propelled su-35 are not a competitor,

Well, yes, yes, there’s nothing to do with the vaunted F22 and F35, they are not ORLAM competitors.

[Gale]

f-22 and -f-35 are machines of a different level, much more advanced. For the sushi there is enough an eagle)

[bulvas]

Quote: GaLe

f-22 and -f-35 are machines of a different level, much more advanced. For the sushi there is enough an eagle)

One is not enough, not serious.
One “eagle” will not climb on the SU with a Russian pilot, except perhaps with a flock ...

Maybe share, where does such confidence come from?
Something "the bravest warriors in the world" on the "most advanced" military equipment does not agree to compete with backward barbarians and quilted jackets.

Neither on tanks nor on airplanes.

[NN52]

Gale

And I look at you, everything is not wrinkling ... delirium not substantiated by anything and not supported by anything, continue to write ...

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.
Around the same aircraft in all respects.

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Agree with you. One thing is interesting, why do zhurnalyugs constantly grab comparisons of iron? The brave warrior delivers modern tanks is not the latest grenade launcher. The weapon is of course an important factor, but in this case there are no obvious advantages between the planes and it all depends on the skill and determination of the crews.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Altona

Quote: voyaka uh

The ESR is equally huge, that of the Su-30, that of the F-15.
Around the same aircraft in all respects.

------------------------------
Agree with you. One thing is interesting, why do zhurnalyugs constantly grab comparisons of iron? The brave warrior delivers modern tanks is not the latest grenade launcher. The weapon is of course an important factor, but in this case there are no obvious advantages between the planes and it all depends on the skill and determination of the crews.

Raises patriotism and is of great interest to anyone who doesn’t chop people in this for the most part)))
Our type is better because it is done with us or is in service with us

[CONTROL]

Quote: Krasnodar

Our type is better because it is done with us or is in service with us

The best chewing gum in the Universe is our chewing gum !!!
...and:
What matters is not size, but the ability to use them!

[Sauron80]

Our chips are the largest chips in the world! )))

[SergF123]

Another expert (((How can you compare avionics at all ?! do you know the technical characteristics of their radars, electronic warfare systems, anti-missile traps and all missile systems that oppose electronic warfare and traps ?! Do you also know all kinds of anti-missile maneuvers ?! X. do not write nudes .....

[Herculesic]

Just the opposite, the F15 was not yet a competitor to the Su27, nor a competitor to the Su30! And let the journalists continue to spray their saliva - we re-start! !

[100502]

Only in your imagination

[begemot20091]

Quote: Finches

The Germans write this, I think, from evil, experiencing a huge sense of their own inferiority - remembering that they once had superiority in this area, creating reactive messengers, having the most powerful Air Force in the world, but shaved everything, first to the Russian Yaks and Ilam, and then and generally lay down under the Yankees ... Fu, suckers!

that's for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Equalized]

F-15 is really good, the latest modifications are equipped better than the Su-30 and even the Su-35 in terms of radar and avionics. Only now I do not remember that the F-15 was a stealth plane

There was a Silent Eagle project, but it seemed to be turned off ... where does the Strike Eagle?

[SergF123]

Another expert (((How can you compare avionics at all ?! do you know the technical characteristics of their radars, electronic warfare systems, anti-missile traps and all missile systems that oppose electronic warfare and traps ?! Do you also know all kinds of anti-missile maneuvers ?! X. do not write nudes .....

[Baby sitter]

The most invisible aircraft - Russian! It's like a gopher series ... "Do you see the T-50 in the sky? And I don’t see ... But he is !!!!" :))))

[gorgo]

Quote: 100502

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

Such an opinion already existed in the 50-60x, at the dawn of the rocket era. Vietnam has shown that close air combat remains very relevant. And for close combat maneuverability is everything.

[100502]

You can distinguish a calculator from a smartphone ... comparing rockets from the 60s and 2017th is silly

[driver]

And that all in TTX grabbed? The main thing is what is the "gasket" between the steering wheel and the seat!

[skomfit]

We saw how their stealth burned in Yugoslavia.

[Satanator]

and now in Syria, the F-35 at a meeting with the S-200 drives to the base, and in their press they write about “bird attacks”, well, like the cormorants “zenith-arena” are crumbling)))

[tomket]

According to their logic, neither the f-35 nor the f-22 are competitors of the MiG-23. After all, they have a lower speed)))))))))) And yet, with such stealth technologies The case when the level of media incompetence just rolls over ....

[SergF123]

We must not start like that!)) MiG-31 is the fastest, and therefore the most))

[oldzek]

yes shy! forgot that the main detail of any weapon is the head of its owner, and you Mach, stealth ...

[100502]

However, it’s stupid to go with a pitchfork into a battle against a man with a gun

[Sauron80]

In a dark alley, from behind the corner, forks can be better than an automaton;)

[complete zero]

Quote: Primoos

Consoled themselves, otherwise it is terrible to live in this world. And they do not need a loop, and other figures. Well, fly on the irons, since the figures are not capable.

it’s all a matter of military doctrine (and not of irons) ... the West has relied on stealth and improvement of medium-range missiles (hence the need to be stealth) -we have another doctrine-close maneuverable aerial combat (from this the super-maneuverability and the presence of P- 73 with a helmet-mounted guidance system) - who is the truth? ... yes God knows him (it’s better not to even know when) ... there haven’t been fights between our and American pilots

[Alexander Borisov]

As test pilots say, close maneuverable combat is like a bayonet-knife for an infantryman. Well, it turns out that the bayonet-knife is better with us. But when martial arts of fighters are discussed, the capabilities of electronic warfare equipment are not taken into account, and this is very important, because blinding the enemy is not difficult to destroy him. And of course, the tactics of using aviation is very important, it’s like in chess.

[XXXIII]

German media: Su-30CM American "Eagle" is not a competitor

[Setavr]

Of course, not an expert.
In Lock On on the Su-27 (a pretty serious flight simulator), the F-15 is one of the most dangerous opponents at long range. In close combat is not dangerous.
:)

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

What are you raving about - Russia has missiles that will get the enemy’s plane without entering its zone of destruction.

[SergF123]

Judging by the emulators in the mattress - WELL YOU ......!)))))) Samou is not funny! Refer to the emulator ?!

[Egorovich]

Another Western nonsense. Dogs bark, the caravan goes, i.e. Russia continues to arm and rearm at a good pace. But the liars are paid, they breach. It has always been and will be.

[tchoni]

The Germans are right in their own way. Each machine has strengths and weaknesses. And the effectiveness of their application depends on strategists on aviation. Who doubts this - remember the 41 year when the “Messer” was also inferior to the “donkeys” and “gulls” in maneuverability, but surpassed them in speed and combat load.

[Altona]

Quote: Krasnodar

Raises patriotism and is of great interest to anyone who doesn’t chop people in this for the most part)))
Our type is better because it is done with us or is in service with us

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And here is all that you said? And what is wrong with patriotism, which is also being wound up on American citizens by all means? Characteristics of aircraft on the Internet are available. In addition, we do not know to what characteristics the Eagle is wound, and the Boeing very seriously upgraded it to compete with the same F-35. I personally read all this, though for quite some time now. You are apparently writing in order to fast, to have a fuss. When you don’t have your thoughts, you must first spit on someone like Solzhenitsyn. So you behave like that.
PS Read on the Internet how the Israelis with their airplanes, having developed special tactics, failed our most advanced MiG-25 interceptor, with which they could not compete either in speed, in height, or in anything. And yet.

[EvilLion]

With ambush tactics, you can also catch the MiG-25, but this does not deny the technical difficulties of this process and the high chances that the 25 will fly away as it flew, for example, from the F / A-18 formation (it seemed like 40, although it was bold as that) on the first night of Desert Storm, before sending one to the ground.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Well, how is it ...
There were already battles between the Su-30MKI and the F-15C. the result, to put it mildly ... not very ...
The Americans flew with their hands tied, both in height and in the RVV (AIM-9M), while the Su-30MKI had no restrictions.
Result 3-1, in favor of the Indians. It would seem that only a third of the battles are merged, a victory? Everything would be fine if the Americans were not connected in height and RVV, in contrast to the Indians, who did not have any restrictions, both in RVV and in heights.
And then the comparison goes with the F-15SE. So the title has a right to life.
By the way, then the Indians did not fly to Red Flag, referring to the "radar secrecy".

Well, a little more retreat: there is a lot of writing about maneuverability, that it really solves. Alas, this is not so!
Always steered thrust-to-weight ratio! Recall WWII, where the more maneuverable Yaks fused BF-109F-4, for example, or even FW-190A.
You can also recall the battles between A6M2 and F4F, where "Wildcat"showed better performance!
I'm not talking about the F-4U, or the same F-6F.
And A6M2, he’sZero"- the most maneuverable monoplane! Did it help him much? No.
Recall Korea, F-86 "Saber"against the MiG-15:"Saber"was much more maneuverable than the MiG, but it pulled the MiG, since the thrust-weight ratio is higher!

[NN52]

You are nonsense do not write pzhl ...
You are not in the subject, from the word in any way .. And everywhere ...
From Saber to SM ...

I don’t even know what to tell you ... either to teach history, or materiel ...

[SergF123]

Did you read the brochure from the VarTander game ?! - commendable

[EvilLion]

The height restrictions are the same for everyone, this in particular follows from the safety requirements.

The MiG-15 did not drag against the Sabers, the MiG-15 did not care for the Sabers, either because the bombers were aimed at or because of different conditions for achieving max. advantages because of which the planes often just flew apart, taking advantageous positions, but losing contact.

“Zero” didn’t have protection, but in battle you still get the plush, and most importantly, the Americans made new engines, the Japanese didn’t, they didn’t have the opportunity, as a result, “Zero” was devoured simply due to the growth of the technical characteristics during the war and quantity. At the same time, the problem in the 42 was a serious one.

[Wolka]

speed and armament are important for an airplane, of course, but you also need to be able to fly, but with the proper high-quality personnel, the Yankees, to put it mildly, are not very ...

[1536]

The Germans again want to show us the production of their latest aircraft? And the Americans, probably, hope that we will purchase the F-15 under the new Lend-Lease? Oh well.

[nnz226]

Since when did the F-15 of the development of the 70 of the last century begin to have the "Stealth" technology ??? The Germans do not see the coast? Or mixed up with F-35? So this "miracle" of the US aviation industry still somehow flies badly ...

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

Germany is not an independent country, it is under the hood of the United States. What they say to her, they will write and praise, otherwise they will shut their mouths so that they would not humiliate the United States.

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

As our designers say - how the airplane looks like this is how it flies.

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

The Germans optionally take those planes that are inferior to the "Eagle". They also compared it with the AN - 2 - then the complete victory of a US aircraft. It seems that Russia has one plane, it has no other.

[Vadim Sh.]

Another nonsense of the German zhurnalyuga, as Famusov said - clicker, paper-digger, if only to write something, with the same performance characteristics - the strength of mind wins, but as you know, it is completely absent.

[Andrey Kandakov]

the fascists again begin to hobble, in the end, the victory depends not only on aviation, and against this background I would like to ask the underelicated what you can oppose to the Russian army and navy, except for the outdated ova letaki

[Andrey Kandakov]

but I didn’t understand something, is the word p.i.nd.so.sy here under the ban of the tunnels?

[Serzh_R]

Both aircraft have authority in their own country - so be it.

[Eflintuk]

Really tired of these cobras, bells, tailings ... this will never happen ... is it really not clear - they will leave immediately from such a fight, if there is still someone to fight with.

[SergF123]

Yes, you seem to be an ace pilot ?!))) I love experts))) Sometimes it's better to chew - do you know the advertisement ?!

[Mayorpcela]

Dumb Fritz, to whom to talk about the comparison of aircraft, so only they

[SergF123]

That's just the combat load of the F-15E more than the Su-30SM. In addition, the American fighter reaches Mach 2,5 and is equipped with stealth technology! ”
Buga0gaaaaa ....... I almost torn my stomach ... AAAAaaaa .................
Uff .... sorry for the emotions, but let the whole German consist of F-15E invisibles!))))))

[complete zero]

Quote: Setavr

Of course, not an expert.
In Lock On on the Su-27 (a pretty serious flight simulator), the F-15 is one of the most dangerous opponents at long range. In close combat is not dangerous.
:)

good sim .. long "sat" on it))))))

[complete zero]

Quote: Alexander Abdrakhmanov

What are you raving about - Russia has missiles that will get the enemy’s plane without entering its zone of destruction.

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Quote: Alexander Abdrakhmanov

What are you raving about - Russia has missiles that will get the enemy’s plane without entering its zone of destruction.

missiles that is, but the essence is different ... one will be found in 100 km (roughly) and the other in 10 .. how do you think who will launch the missiles earlier?

[ROM1077]

Russia urgently needs to stamp more air defense and aviation. let the quantity exceed the quality ...

[chief.matros]

when they design an airplane, they naturally make certain demands on it, based on existing and promising ones, I think our specialists are unlikely to start production in a machine that is slightly superior in some respects to the existing machines (planes) of a potential enemy.

[Sands Careers General]

"The Su-30SM is a really good car, but it is inferior to the F-15E Strike Eagle," writes the German newspaper Die Welt.

I wonder from what time the newspaper has become a military expert? And yes, if you want them to lick the Americans, not necessarily blow nonsense and nonsense to the whole world. Experts know how things really are.

[FalconSD]

Quote: 100502

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

a missile, even without evasion maneuvers and missile defense, has a probability of destruction of less than one. somersaults are very useful from missiles, even the uneducated Syrians in the old junk sometimes manage to dodge missiles with maneuvers. what to say about the modern combat complex. fortunately, we will never know whose plane is better.

[complete zero]

Quote: FalconSD

Quote: 100502

I agree with the Germans in this case, now 2017 will not save somersaults from the rocket, now the main thing is who sees further and whose rocket is better and not all cobras, etc.

a missile, even without evasion maneuvers and missile defense, has a probability of destruction of less than one. somersaults are very useful from missiles, even the uneducated Syrians in the old junk sometimes manage to dodge missiles with maneuvers. what to say about the modern combat complex. fortunately, we will never know whose plane is better.

somersaults from missiles? ... well, of course they help (for that they are somersaults) .. only in overload (with these somersaults) .. such that not everyone can withstand ... 8-9 G

[Gomel]

F-15E ....... is equipped with technology "stealth" ???

In which place????

[rodus]

In addition, the Russians reminded the German publication that the analogue of the F-15E in the Russian Aerospace Forces is not the Su-30, but the Su-34, the combat load of which exceeds that of the “American” and amounts to 12 tons. Users also point out that the Su-30SM is never used without support, and the combination of this aircraft with the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system makes it practically invincible....

[complete zero]

Quote: raw174

Quote: Elephant

when maneuvering, the rocket will withstand much greater overloads than a pilot in an airplane. And aerobatics will not help ...

I am not special, but I think that it will not solve the resistance to overloads, but the reaction. If the pilot timely makes the right decision and maneuvers, the rocket will not be able to respond ...
Maybe it’s wrong, of course, and someone more knowledgeable will correct it ...

timeliness is always EARLY DETECTION... based on this, a maneuver is built... that is... If you detect an enemy attack (the "birch" squeaked in the cockpit) at a distance of 100 km.. you make a certain counteraction.. and if ( dear) your system worked for only TEN km... then all your... countermaneuvers (you can score yourself... far).. but the catapult will not save

[Evgeny Zhevlonenko]

Well, there is always the opportunity to shoot heat traps, as Syrian tests have shown, this is a 50/50 chance even from a very close range.

[Evgeny Zhevlonenko]

How much can you load 10t on an eagle? and that, with external hardpoints, any stealth tricks come to naught, in the sense of completely, even in the F-35 the stealth mode only works if the weapons are loaded into the internal compartment, let alone the 15k... and how far and fast it is capable of flying in terms of maximum armament, another question....and in such a situation he will look like a loaded donkey, there is no speed, no maneuverability, no shoot wherever you want....he won’t even have time to dodge, and if he does, he will fall apart....

[Captain Nemo]

A free retelling of some article. If they pay a fee for this, I’m ready to give birth to several of these in a week. IN!!! Awww!!!! Maybe sometimes there will be fewer articles, but more intelligent ones???

[shinobi]

This “Needles” is not a competitor to 30 “crackers”. And in general, the title does not correspond to the content of the article.

[kamski]

It’s funny to read honestly, I’m sure that even the SU 15 will win an air battle against the F 15 of the latest modifications

[Cuba]

Quote: Slovak

They did not take into account the main thing: 1 Russian pilot = 5 American, or 8 German.

What did they do to the Germans??....it feels like a whole nation of warriors was castrated in Nuremberg!...everyone repents before the Jews, then before the Poles, then the wide-faced Pindos - the pilots beat them up!
.... old Goering is probably in the city like a propeller spinning from side to side in writhing!

[EvilLion]

In fact, the F-15E is significantly superior to the Su-30SM in terms of thrust; with equal engines, the Eagle is noticeably lighter, and the PGO does not bode well in terms of dynamics. By max. same speed, the F-15 has always been the fastest of the standard fighters with supersonic speed only sometimes in afterburner. I do not undertake to assess the relevance of this parameter, as a rule, max. speed does not exceed 2400-2500 km/h, with a minimum of 1900 km/h for the F/A-18 and some weak vehicles like the Tejas, and for newer vehicles like the F-22, F-35, Su-57 Max. speed does not occur, at best it remains at the same level (for the Su-57), the emphasis is on dynamic performance without afterburner, and, apparently, acceleration characteristics in the current speed ranges. But the Su-30SM's maximum speed drops very significantly compared to the base model, which apparently indicates large losses from the additional. resistance.

According to flight data, the Su-30SM is not a champion at all. There is an outdated scheme with PGO, weak engines, two-seater design, and maybe something else.

[BEECH 1972]

The German "media" are big liars. And a heated discussion of their latest nonsense is completely equivalent to “self-satisfaction”...

[iliya87]

2005 year. The Indian Air Force Su-30MKI showed superiority over the US Air Force F-16 and F-15 C/D Eagle in training battles in the skies over India[7][8].
2015 In the UK, as part of the international exercise Indrahanush (“Rainbow”), training battles were held between the Eurofighter Typhoon fighters of the British Royal Air Force and the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force [7][8][24][25]. The Indian Air Force defeated the British Royal Air Force with a score of 12:0[26][27].

[Pacifist]

The writing is complete crap. What kind of stealth does the eagle have with its ESR??? The modification of the eagle for work on the ground is compared with our machine aimed at gaining air supremacy!!! Yes, SM will spread it over the clouds in a thin layer.
Let's then compare something comparable, for example 15E and SU-34... well? does the chicken look pale?

[Tolik_74]

equipped with stealth technology"

Laughter, an old S-75, by the way, which shot down a U-1960 near Sverdlovsk in 2, in Yugoslavia destroyed an “invisible” missile with a bet or two from the first salvo. In an air battle, the Su-30 will destroy the vaunted F-15 in one or two.

[andrew42]

As an asymmetrical response, we must wish the Germans to expel the US Zionists, regain independence, and start making excellent German technology again. It's not profitable for us for the pleasure of punching old Hans on the nose.

[colonel manuch]

Well, SU-30 M for export and for yourself are two big differences!

[tezey]

Copyright SU-30SM and F-15E are not competitors. True, the author does not write that these planes are different in purpose. Competitor of the Eagle Su-34. And here the breakdown of combat use capabilities is not at all the same as the article tells us. Indeed, the speed of the F-15E is 2,5M empty at high altitude. And what maximum speed does it develop with external tanks and a combat load of 1,8M? Same as Su-34. The load is as much as 11 tons, but this takes into account the weight of the overhead tanks. The purely combat load is 5 tons. The Su-34 has a maximum capacity of 8 tons. Regarding the stealth of the F-15E, the author confuses it with the Boeing F-15SE Silent Eagle, which is a deep modernization of the 4++ generation aircraft. The Silent Eagle has an EPR of about 0,5 sq.m., taking into account the external suspension - 1,5 sq.m. This is a very good indicator. Radar with AFAR, optical-location station, electronic warfare station. This aircraft should again be compared not with the Su-30SM, but with the Su-35S

[sportacus]

The Su-27SM and Su-35 can also use free-fall bombs and rocket launchers, but no one in their right mind would classify these heavy fighters as bombers. The equivalent of the F-15E Strike Eagle fighter-bomber in the Russian Air Force should be considered the attack Su-34, and not the multi-role Su-30SM.

The fuel supply in the internal tanks of the Su-34 exceeds 12000 kg. The combat radius and ferry range of the Su-34 and F-15E are almost equal, but the Russian bomber can carry a larger bomb load over the same range. The combat radius of the Su-34 when flying at low altitude is somewhat greater.

[Alexander Borisov]

The Su-30SM is a competitor even to the F-22. Only real combat operations will be able to determine who has the advantage in air combat. Also, nothing is said about the effectiveness of electronic warfare systems on both aircraft, and this is very important, because if the electronic warfare system of one aircraft manages to suppress the enemy’s detection and guidance systems, then destroying the enemy will be a matter of technology.

[1536]

During the Great Patriotic War in Russia 1941-1945. The German occupiers were beaten by our U-2s - plywood biplanes. They destroyed manpower and equipment, conducted reconnaissance, entered into battle even with German fighters, rammed them and won. The Germans were afraid of our U-2s like fire.
You can have the most advanced weapons, but with the psychology of invaders, which every European and American possesses, who wants to get booty in foreign lands and countries, they won’t succeed, and their vaunted “Eagles” will burn like candles if they attack Russia.
Let us also remember Korea and Vietnam, where the American evil spirits were defeated by patriotic soldiers who defended their country.

[Shaska]

Quote: Anatoly Rukavishnikov

Yes, Americans have always PR their products. Only one piracy with a flight to the moon was worth what (it’s good that they didn’t think of showing how brave Americans flew to Mars, or even to the SUN !!!).

Why didn't they show it? Is Capricorn alone?

[Vladislav Bolshakov_2]

1 Russian = 10 Prussian pilots. And Prussian is German to all Germans!

[asr55]

Why compare the F-15e fighter-bomber with the Su-30cm multirole fighter. At first, the F-15 Eagle was DESIGNED only as an air superiority aircraft and was not intended to attack ground targets. But the lack of interest from customers forced McDonnell Douglas engineers to develop a fighter-bomber based on the F-15 Eagle. In all wars, it participated only in air strikes. Not a single air battle with him was recorded. As an attack aircraft, it has proven itself on the positive side.

[Oleg Salov]

Stupid Americans will never understand that aerobatics is needed to easily evade enemy missiles, as well as to conduct air combat, and stealth technology for our fighters has long been no longer a problem, our radars see all aircraft and other devices, and ships equipped with stealth , so this is no longer an advantage for us.