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Vice-Consul of Poland in Lutsk: Ukraine occupied Crimea and Donbass at the time

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The Ukrainian authorities were clearly confused after the statement of the Vice-Consul of Poland in Lutsk (Volyn region, Ukraine) Marek Zapur. The Deputy Consul of the Consulate General of Poland in Volyn made a statement in which he indicated that Lviv is a Polish city, and also that Ukraine seized the Crimea and Donbass.


It is noteworthy that this kind of statement by a Polish diplomat was made during the conference “Volyn experiment by G. Yuzevsky: the road to Polish-Ukrainian reconciliation in the interwar period ", which took place in the museum of local lore of Rivne. Marek Zapur made a statement after one of the Ukrainian experts announced Poland’s occupation of the territory of the so-called Ukrainian People’s Republic of the UPR in 1919-1920.

Vice-Consul of Poland in Lutsk: Ukraine occupied Crimea and Donbass at the time


The situation is described on the Facebook page by the representative of the Rivne Museum, Igor Marchuk:

Provocative anti-Ukrainian statement of Vice-Consul Marek Zapur in Kiev.

Yesterday, on the basis of the Rivne Regional Museum of Local Lore, a round table discussion entitled “Volyn experiment G. Yuzevsky: the road to Polish-Ukrainian reconciliation in the interwar period” took place. A landing force from Lutsk headed by Vice-Consul Marek Zapur and Professor Mykola Kuchurea arrived at the round table and presented G. Yuzovsky's diaries published in Ukrainian. Ukrainian scientists at the round table clearly stated that the event was provocative and the birthdays of the Polish occupation official Henryk Yuzewski should not be celebrated, since Poland seized part of the territory of the UPR in 1919-1920. In fact, the Volyn Ekspert was sent for the approval of Polish power, Polonization and assimilation of local Ukrainians. In response, the vice-consul stood up and declared that the Ukrainian state did not exist at that time, Lviv is a Polish city and in modern times it can be argued that Ukraine occupied Crimea and Donbass in a similar way.


A few hours later, the Polish Vice-Consul himself commented on the situation. According to him, the Ukrainian side allowed itself anti-Polish biased statements to which it was difficult not to respond. According to Marek Zapur, Ukrainian historians said that during the years of the Commonwealth, the Poles occupied the Ukrainian Lviv.

Zapur:
To this I replied that at that time there was no concept of “Ukrainian Lviv,” not to mention Ukraine itself.


This statement is actively discussed by representatives of the Ukrainian authorities. And the Polish president Andrzej Duda appealed to the president of Ukraine Poroshenko with the demand "to cleanse the Ukrainian government from radical nationalists."
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2017 12: 25
    13
    Lviv is a Polish city, as well as the fact that Ukraine captured Crimea and Donbass.

    This is a twist among the "friends". Ukrainian politicians, by their naivety, believed that Russophobia brought them so close to the Poles that they would forgive Volyn, marches of Bandera, and the law on language. Do not guess the disease.
    1. Vend
      Vend 8 November 2017 12: 30
      16
      at that time there was no concept of “Ukrainian Lviv”, not to mention Ukraine itself.
      What is true is true. However, the Poles forgot that Lviv is a Russian city founded by Daniel Galitsky and named after his son. The time will come to be reminded.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 8 November 2017 12: 36
        +7
        Ha! Well, in a dispute between two parties - the Poles and the Ukrainians - more or less quietly, Ukraine reveals a geopolitical historical truth! Including in relation to Russia!
        1. Going
          Going 8 November 2017 13: 13
          12
          Well, that "peacemaker" replenished with another character or?
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 8 November 2017 14: 35
        +3
        Come on you! When did Lviv suddenly become a Russian city ???
        We don’t need someone else’s. For Lviv let the Poles with Ukrainians wrangle. I would have thrown there the Austrians with the Hungarians for heaps, so that it was more fun. Rusins ​​still do not shine, unfortunately.
        1. Vend
          Vend 8 November 2017 14: 47
          +4
          Quote: Vlad.by
          Come on you! When did Lviv suddenly become a Russian city ???
          We don’t need someone else’s. For Lviv let the Poles with Ukrainians wrangle. I would have thrown there the Austrians with the Hungarians for heaps, so that it was more fun. Rusins ​​still do not shine, unfortunately.

          I repeat with details. Lviv is a Russian city founded by Daniel Galitsky and named after his son. Daniil Romanovich Galitsky conducted the struggle against the local boyars and external aggressors - Poland and Hungary. Some historians attribute the founding date of Lviv to an earlier time - 1247 or 1240 year. And they have the same opinion why the city was given the name Lviv. The history of the name goes back to the son and heir of Daniil of Galich - Lev Danilovich. It was in his honor that the great father named the city, which was destined to become the capital of the principality. from 1269 of the year when Leo became the prince of Galicia-Volyn and the king of Russia. -Or will you say that the Galician-Volyn principality is not Russian? Learn the history of Russia.
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 8 November 2017 23: 53
            +1
            But ho ho not ha ha? Maybe even the Dutch will declare New York a Dutch city on the basis that the Dutch founded this city? Or maybe the Spaniards will declare San Francisco, Los Angeles, Mexico City and Havana Spanish? After all, they were founded by the Spaniards. Or maybe we pass the Portuguese to São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro? Or will Montreal and Quebec become French now? Lviv has been a Polish city for 600 years, so it is a full-fledged Polish city.
            1. Vend
              Vend 9 November 2017 10: 34
              0
              Quote: Lgankhi
              But ho ho not ha ha? Maybe even the Dutch will declare New York a Dutch city on the basis that the Dutch founded this city? Or maybe the Spaniards will declare San Francisco, Los Angeles, Mexico City and Havana Spanish? After all, they were founded by the Spaniards. Or maybe we pass the Portuguese to São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro? Or will Montreal and Quebec become French now? Lviv has been a Polish city for 600 years, so it is a full-fledged Polish city.

              Count how many years Lviv has been a Russian city. laughing smart ass laughing
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 9 November 2017 18: 45
                0
                Lviv was Polish for 600 years. Russian was only 100 years old, and then in hoary antiquity. By your logic, Normandy is Norwegian land, because it was founded by the Vikings, led by Rollon, and to the heap, Norway belongs to Sicily, Iceland, Greenland and Newfoundland.
          2. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 9 November 2017 15: 11
            +1
            With the same success, the cities of Alaska can be called Russian natively.
            You never know who founded what - The composition of the population is important, and membership in a particular state for a long time.
            Russians in Lviv have never been the main component of the population.
            1. Vend
              Vend 9 November 2017 15: 55
              0
              Quote: Vlad.by
              With the same success, the cities of Alaska can be called Russian natively.
              You never know who founded what - The composition of the population is important, and membership in a particular state for a long time.
              Russians in Lviv have never been the main component of the population.

              For your information, in the USA there is still a museum in Fort Ross, founded by Russian immigrants. And they remember who founded it. And also remember whose were Alaska and California. Russians in Lviv were not the majority? Before Lvov came under Polish rule, there was no one there except the Russians. how the ruling dynasty broke off in Galicia, the Polish king Casimir III declared his rights to the principality, and in particular to Lviv. In 1340, his troops captured the city and established royal power there. True, the king granted the city self-government and Magdeburg law, but at the same time, Lviv began to rapidly polonize. So you recognize the capture of the city by the Poles, but there is no foundation for the Russians laughing Well then, we must recognize the last refuge of Lviv in the USSR. In your opinion, then this is correct.
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 9 November 2017 18: 49
                0
                Actually, the right of the strong rules in the world: he who is stronger is right. Or are you so naive and still believe in the UN? Wake up, normal people took off the pink glasses back in 1999, with the beginning of the bombing of Serbia.
                1. Vend
                  Vend 9 November 2017 18: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  Actually, the right of the strong rules in the world: he who is stronger is right. Or are you so naive and still believe in the UN? Wake up, normal people took off the pink glasses back in 1999, with the beginning of the bombing of Serbia.

                  And from what side is the right of the strong here? Who is stronger is not right, but rules the ball. These are different concepts. But if you argue from this approach, then Russia is somehow stronger than Poland.
                  1. Lganhi
                    Lganhi 9 November 2017 19: 15
                    0
                    But behind Poland is a godfather in the person of the United States. It is as before in the 18 century that the Crimean Khanate spoiled us: it seems to be a small mongrel, but the Ottoman Empire stood behind it. Therefore, it was first necessary to give the bream of Turkey in the Russian-Turkish war 1768-1774, and when Turkey abandoned the protectorate over the Crimean Khanate, in 1783 r Russia conquered Crimea.
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 10 November 2017 09: 11
                      0
                      Quote: Lgankhi
                      But behind Poland is a godfather in the person of the United States. It is as before in the 18 century that the Crimean Khanate spoiled us: it seems to be a small mongrel, but the Ottoman Empire stood behind it. Therefore, it was first necessary to give the bream of Turkey in the Russian-Turkish war 1768-1774, and when Turkey abandoned the protectorate over the Crimean Khanate, in 1783 r Russia conquered Crimea.

                      No one is behind her. The United States is friends with the head, they will not start a war with Russia because of the claims of the Poles. The war did not start under Truman, under Kennady, it will not start now. For the United States, it is important to make a profit from the war. You just need a mongrel to initiate the partition of Ukraine, Poland fits this role very well. 18 century should not be touched, then the time was different and the political rules were different. But the needs of Europe always remain alone - to grab land. So they stir up.
    2. bagr69
      bagr69 8 November 2017 12: 31
      +5
      The Poles decided to make a fuss, maybe something will come off ... They don’t need much, well, a couple of areas and that’s it. smile
      And then, on the other side of Ukraine, a neighbor in Transcarpathia began to declare rights and it’s time for them.
      1. volodya
        volodya 8 November 2017 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: bagr69
        The Poles decided to make a fuss, maybe something will come off ... They don’t need much, well, a couple of areas and that’s it. smile
        And then, on the other side of Ukraine, a neighbor in Transcarpathia began to declare rights and it’s time for them.

        In constipation issued! Like Lions chop off! Apparently does not know that all people went from the ancient Ukrov!
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 November 2017 15: 13
          +1
          It looks like the Poles got a command and started trolling Ukraine.
    3. pjastolov
      pjastolov 8 November 2017 12: 32
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This is a twist among the "friends". Ukrainian politicians, by their naivety, believed that Russophobia brought them so close to the Poles that they would forgive Volyn, marches of Bandera, and the law on language. Do not guess the disease.

      most likely mattresses gave the go-ahead to stoke skakuazov
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 8 November 2017 12: 34
        +6
        Hello Volodya! hi We are watching with interest the development of events. Maybe it will reach melee?
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 8 November 2017 12: 39
          11
          Hi Maxim hi will not reach melee, the Poles will be scared laughing
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 8 November 2017 12: 41
            +7
            Quote: pjastolov
            the poles are scared

            If they are such cowards, then how are they going to realize their project of the Commonwealth "from sea to sea"? lol
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 8 November 2017 12: 49
              +5
              Quote: Jedi
              how are they going to implement their project of the Commonwealth "from sea to sea"?

              draw a map laughing
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 8 November 2017 12: 50
                +5
                Yeah, all the heroes on paper. lol
                1. pjastolov
                  pjastolov 8 November 2017 12: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: Jedi
                  Yeah, all the heroes on paper. lol

                  They wrote the Russian threat, now they’ll draw a map, and there will be cooler boiled eggs laughing
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 8 November 2017 13: 13
                    +5
                    "Above Poland - only stars, steeper than Poland - only mountains!" lol laughing wassat
                    1. pjastolov
                      pjastolov 8 November 2017 13: 27
                      11
                      Quote: Jedi
                      "Above Poland - only stars, steeper than Poland - only mountains!" lol laughing wassat

                      and where are the states?
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 8 November 2017 14: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: pjastolov
                        and where are the states?

                        far ahead of pshekiah. not even visible. catch up by smell laughing
            2. Alekseits
              Alekseits 8 November 2017 12: 55
              +1
              Only with the help of the Americans, and of the other signatories.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 8 November 2017 12: 41
          +3
          Quote: Jedi
          Maybe it will reach melee?

          will not reach. different weight categories laughing
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 8 November 2017 12: 43
            +5
            What a pity, that would be a sight. Moreover, regardless of who wins.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 8 November 2017 12: 57
              +3
              Quote: Jedi
              What a pity, that would be a sight. Moreover, regardless of who wins.

              and we are sitting in the VIP box, drinking a beer and loudly cheering the "athlete" laughing
    4. Primoos
      Primoos 8 November 2017 12: 36
      +4
      Soon, these Russophobes will cling to each other's throats, only shreds will fly. Even hatred of Russia will not make these historical enemies friends.
    5. Finches
      Finches 8 November 2017 12: 37
      +6
      I applaud while standing! Although I do not really like the Poles, Lviv with its surroundings - take it away! Galicia is yours, but everything on the left side of the Dnieper is ours ... Odessa - Israel! laughing
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 8 November 2017 12: 43
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        . Odessa - Israel!

        belay this is with a fright the original Russian city of Israel to give? belay
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2017 12: 47
          +4
          Where do you see Russian today?
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 8 November 2017 12: 58
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            Where do you see Russian today?

            it is for today. any infection is cured. even the plague
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 November 2017 13: 04
              +3
              You will ask the inhabitants of Odessa and I will not be surprised that they will still choose my version of the distribution of land ... laughing hi
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 8 November 2017 14: 15
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                You will ask the inhabitants of Odessa and I will not be surprised that they will still choose my version of the distribution of land ...

                and you ask them, they generally want to be distributed if they, like the Kharkovites and many other cities, consider themselves Russian cities. here is an example from Kharkov
                “In the center of the city, in one of the sushi bars, the administrator could not help the“ visitor ”, who asked for a menu in the state language, because she does not speak Russian, writes“ Dialog.UA ”. The waiter said that the central office of the network is in Moscow, therefore They don’t have a Ukrainian menu. "We don’t decide. Our corporate manager (decides - ed.)," the waiter said.

                In Yakitoria, they were surprised by an unexpected request, specifying: "Do you not understand Russian at all?" The institution said that the menu was not translated into the state language, although at the entrance there was a sign in Ukrainian. “Unfortunately, everything was translated into Russian, as well as down to English,” the waiter says. The manager says that they have a Russian brand and the institution does not have a menu in Ukrainian, although the menu has been translated into English.

                The menu was also not found in another establishment, but the waiter spoke Ukrainian. At Kharitonov, the administrator said: “Kharkov has always been considered a Russian city, and still is. We are located at the border.” Two other catering establishments in Kharkov admitted that there is no Ukrainian menu. In one of them, the waiter suggested “ happy to help. ”Another journalist brought coffee at the expense of the institution as an apology for the inconvenience.
                It will remain so, for how can Kharkovites betray themselves? In addition, Bandera is physically not enough to populate all Russian territories, including Russian Kharkov. "
                but if only Israel moves its border to Odessa ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 November 2017 14: 22
                  +2
                  Do you live in Odessa or so, theorizing just ..? hi Donbass and Lugansk wanted to be with Russia, but Kharkov and Odessa didn’t succeed ... Okay, all this from the field of philosophy - Ukraine, is already a different state, its people made a choice - constantly going to the Maidan, including including Odessa. When I write this - I exaggerate, but I see that we don’t need either Odessa or Kiev - Donbass, perhaps Nikolaev, it is quite possible that Kharkov, but no more! hi
              2. Antares
                Antares 8 November 2017 14: 31
                0
                Quote: Finches
                You will ask the inhabitants of Odessa and I will not be surprised that they will still choose my version of the distribution of land ... laughing hi

                alien volosts only strangers easily squander!
                You can’t get enough volosts for you!
                1. Finches
                  Finches 8 November 2017 14: 33
                  +1
                  I’m sarcasm - Your state - do what you want! Just not to the detriment of others - Crimea and Donbass made their choice, Lviv, I think it’s the same ...hi
                  1. Hoc vince
                    Hoc vince 8 November 2017 16: 54
                    0
                    The American state of Idaho officially recognized the reunification of Russia and Crimea.
          2. pjastolov
            pjastolov 8 November 2017 13: 29
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            Where do you see Russian today?

            and sho you wrong there? laughing
            1. Finches
              Finches 8 November 2017 13: 31
              +3
              laughing The picture is called - "And what did you bring us to ask?"
      2. Cruel beaver
        Cruel beaver 8 November 2017 12: 48
        +6
        Horseradish garden you across the entire face and not Odessa!
        From what side-odesk is Israel Israel? Speak a lot of yours there?
        So they are everywhere like fleas on a mutt!
        Do not catch Odessa! Unhealthy! laughing laughing laughing
      3. Dym71
        Dym71 8 November 2017 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Odessa - Israel!

        You, well, my friend, are you squandering our countryman? stop


        Israel has a JAO! yes
      4. Primoos
        Primoos 8 November 2017 13: 06
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        I applaud while standing! Although I do not really like the Poles, Lviv with its surroundings - take it away! Galicia is yours, but everything on the left side of the Dnieper is ours ... Odessa - Israel! laughing

        Wait a bit, and Svidomo of all Jews from Odessa will be sent either to Israel, or to an erotic address. Or maybe Babi Yar will be updated. Natsik however.
        1. Finches
          Finches 8 November 2017 13: 12
          +2
          This is even closer to the truth - wait!
    6. Maz
      Maz 8 November 2017 12: 45
      +1
      Overdone Chegoto in Lutsk
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 8 November 2017 13: 02
        +5
        Quote: Maz
        Overdone Chegoto in Lutsk

        yes no, probably laughing
  2. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 8 November 2017 12: 28
    +5
    Here he is, the bestial grin of the European Union))) are already preparing for the deriban of young European democracy ...
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 8 November 2017 12: 37
      +2
      This is a natural process. Ukraine and Poland will not be able to live in good neighborliness. There are too many old grievances and reproaches.
      Lviv is a Polish city and in modern times it can be argued that Ukraine similarly occupied Crimea and the Donbass.
      Crimea - this was another gift from Russia, which has become a clear "bust".
      And Ukraine itself with the current foreign and domestic policies is unlikely to remain intact.
  3. Uryukc
    Uryukc 8 November 2017 12: 29
    +2
    To this I replied that at that time there was no concept of “Ukrainian Lviv,” not to mention Ukraine itself.

    An amateur, he doesn’t know that the proto-Ukrye drew the Black Sea and the first acquired statehood))
  4. Masya masya
    Masya masya 8 November 2017 12: 32
    +5
    He thought of it or sings with the filing of Europe? And Europe will give Lviv to the Poles for this ...
  5. svp67
    svp67 8 November 2017 12: 33
    0
    In response, the vice consul stood up and stated that the Ukrainian state did not exist at that time, Lviv is a Polish city and in modern times it can be argued that Ukraine invaded Crimea and the Donbass in a similar way.
    The vice consul is wrong ... oh wrong. At that time there were several Ukrainians ... including the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic. And if the Poles really achieved Lvov by force of their weapons, then the Donbass and Crimea were annexed to Ukraine simply by decision of the Soviet leaders
  6. den3080
    den3080 8 November 2017 12: 39
    +6
    Vice-Consul of Poland in Lutsk: Ukraine occupied Crimea and Donbass at the time


    better and impossible to comment))
    from the west Romanian, Hungarian, Polish lands
    Russian lands from the east ...
    Well, that's actually all of what the current 404 country consists of.
    it's time to dismantle this ugly territorial entity.
  7. sgr291158
    sgr291158 8 November 2017 12: 40
    0
    Now the tantrum will begin again, and the Poles will be declared enemies of Ukraine.
  8. 72jora72
    72jora72 8 November 2017 13: 08
    0
    I applaud while standing! Although I don’t really like Poles, Lviv with its surroundings - take it away


    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Finches
    . Odessa - Israel!

    belay this is with a fright the original Russian city of Israel to give? belay

    And with what fright, my hometown of Lviv give zhekam ?? belay
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 8 November 2017 13: 29
      0
      So defend your ties with Russia! !! soldier
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 8 November 2017 13: 28
    +1
    Another spit in the mug of nationalism ukroiny! It would have been more and more often the truth, the "friends" said that everything would fall into place — ukroina and now for Poland only a colony illegally owning Polish lands! !!
  10. BAI
    BAI 8 November 2017 13: 52
    0
    Another stop (after Hungary) on the way to the fraternal family of European nations?
  11. anjey
    anjey 8 November 2017 14: 10
    0
    “To this I replied that at that time there was no concept of“ Ukrainian Lviv ”, not to mention Ukraine itself
    sorry that about "whose Lutsk" also did not argue ...
  12. pjastolov
    pjastolov 8 November 2017 14: 10
    +3
    LSA57,
    Quote: LSA57
    catch up by smell

    hounds however laughing
  13. demo
    demo 8 November 2017 14: 32
    +1
    I can’t wait for the Ukrainian and Polish diplomats to start cleaning their faces.
    For the performances. For thoughts. For the support. Yes, for all that has been and will be.
  14. weksha50
    weksha50 8 November 2017 14: 45
    0
    "at that time there was no concept of" Ukrainian Lviv ", not to mention Ukraine itself"Etc.

    Mdaaaa ... The vice-consul did not think that in response to such a statement, the Ukrainian side could organize the Volyn massacre-2 .....
    PS The forests there, in the Rivne-Volyn region, are frightening ... Even from the road it’s scary to go ... Not one division of partisans can be hidden ...
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 9 November 2017 05: 47
      0
      So non-partisans with forest-forests and ,,, to Poland, wash tails of cows, collect strawberries ...
  15. NEXUS
    NEXUS 8 November 2017 15: 03
    +4
    as well as the fact that Ukraine captured Crimea and the Donbass.

    But there is no EU country, but they are starting to make statements both in the Crimea and in the Donbass, talking about the illegality of Kiev claims on this land.
  16. delvin-fil
    delvin-fil 8 November 2017 16: 28
    0

    I don’t know who makes the RSS file, but he does it with humor! wassat
  17. faiver
    faiver 8 November 2017 16: 30
    0
    by golly a merry day laughing
  18. datur
    datur 8 November 2017 22: 51
    0
    2 morons is POWER !!!!! wink wassat drinks hi good
  19. LeonidL
    LeonidL 9 November 2017 05: 46
    0
    ABOUT! Are brains really turning on? True, well done vice consul!