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The path of the Donbass: when the republic will be part of Ukraine

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The path of the Donbass: when the republic will be part of Ukraine



Donbass will be part of Ukraine. This version of the development of events, so unpopular in the patriotic environment of Russia and the Donbass, has today become the basis of the "state" policy of the two unrecognized republics. Yes, nobody likes their leadership, but they just don’t see any other development of the situation.

That is exactly the way the Foreign Minister of the LPR and the representative of the republic at the Minsk talks Vladislav Dane said in his interview the other day.



And this is not a “plum”, this is the very version of the development of the situation, to which Moscow inclined all parties to the conflict during the three years of war. And it was obvious at the end of 2014 of the year. It is unfortunate that emotions often overshadow our mind and suppress logic.

The author of these lines, at the end of that terrible year, wrote about such a scenario as the most likely and optimal one. He was not understood and accused of all mortal sins. Meanwhile, in his reasoning, like the current reasoning of the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the LPR, everything was subordinated exclusively to logic.

Once again, everything that you read below was generally described by the author in a series of articles at the end of 2014 - the beginning of 2015.

Initial data

The starting point for building this forecast was the statements and actions of the Russian leadership, starting in the spring of 2014.



Point one, referendum. Moscow did not really want him (in the form in which it was conceived by the organizers). And she managed to convince them to remove the issue of joining Russia. She initially (since March 2014 of the year) was set to preserve the integrity of the territory of Ukraine (not counting the Crimea, of course), and therefore recommended that residents of the South-East of Ukraine tune in to dialogue with Kiev.

This proposal was made by Vladimir Putin four days before the referendum and was repeated by the leadership of Russia several days later, after the appeal of the DPR and the LPR to accept them into Russia.

Point two, Moscow position. At the same time, the leadership of Russia understood that there would be no good will from Kiev, and only a military defeat would force him to change his mind. And this defeat was organized for him at the end of August 2014.

To finish off Kiev regime in 2014 was easy. A strike on Kharkov put the junta on his knees, and the exit to the Dnieper was a sentence for her. But what next? Any division of Ukraine, at least on the administrative borders of Donbass, even on the Dnieper, meant the formation of two Ukrainians, and the smaller the territory remained under the rule of the nationalists, the easier it would be for them to keep it in the long term. And that would mean defeat for Moscow.

To clear the territory of Ukraine from the gangs of nationalists completely, at that time it was impossible to do without the regular army of the Russian Federation. It is obvious that this scenario did not fit into the plans of the Kremlin, and therefore Minsk was invented.



Point three, when Minsk began. Today, somehow everyone has already forgotten that the start of the Minsk process was not given as a result of the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas, but in June 2014 of the year after the meeting between Putin and Poroshenko in the “fields of Normandy”. Even then, in general terms, its basic principles were developed, which were then transferred from project to project, until they were first signed by September 2014 of the year and in the final version for today in February of 2015.

It took Kiev two defeats to understand that each subsequent version of Minsk would not be in their favor, and therefore it is better to stop in time. And he stopped.

How to win Kiev

So, the Minsk agreements were signed. Even then it was clear that they became a strategic loss to Kiev and their implementation was fatal for the regime that signed them.

Therefore, the Poroshenko regime did not make a single real step towards its implementation. On the contrary, immediately after the signing of the agreement, Kiev began to carry out a systematic program to squeeze the Donbass from Ukraine.



The first step towards this was the cessation of activities of all state-owned Ukrainian structures in the territory not controlled by the regime. This was followed by blockades and attempts to completely separate the electricity and gas industry in the region (today the process is almost over).

This decision of Kiev was completely obvious and logical. The separation of Donbass and the suppression of the political activity of its population gave it a chance to preserve the stability of the regime and retain power through pseudo-democratic procedures.

But Moscow has done everything to prevent this process and convince the main European countries that only the preservation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine can resolve the Ukrainian conflict.

There was just a comic situation. Kiev formally demanded respect for its sovereignty, and Moscow shoved back “Ukrainian” territories squeezed out by the nationalists to him.

What Moscow is seeking

The same thing that she sought in the spring of 2014. Dialogue of all parts of Ukraine and rebuilding the country on new principles, which at the same time would help it to solve the problem of Crimea.



Formally, her position is flawless. Russia wants to stop the war. That war, which does not allow it to return to Ukraine. Europe, this position is clear and acceptable. In the loss from such a scenario Kiev nationalists and Washington.

While the US foreign policy was unified, everything worked out in Ukraine. But after the split of the American elite, which involved Ukrainian politicians in their internal clashes, the controllability of the processes in Kiev was largely lost. This immediately strengthened the position of Moscow, which, with the help of European leaders, was able to reach an agreement with Poroshenko (probably promising to give amnesty and peace after his victory).

And as a result, since the summer of 2017, the leadership of the republics has increasingly begun to talk about its possible future in the framework of the new Ukrainian state and projects to build an alternative Ukraine-Little Russia.

US reaction



During the summer and fall of 2017, Kurt Volker reported to his management that urgent and effective intervention was needed.

The plan to return to Ukraine with a special mission of Mikhail Saakashvili looks more like an attempt to gain time and not allow the enemy to consolidate his successes. History The third Maidan showed this with all the evidence. Within a week, Poroshenko was able to neutralize the enemy and was preparing to deliver a final blow to him when Washington threw “heavy artillery” into battle (criminal cases against the Kiev elite and corruption scandals against President Poroshenko).

In general, Washington is trying to seize the initiative from Moscow. The main strategic goal for the coming year is, with the help of peacekeepers in the Donbass, to gradually neutralize the most unpleasant points of the Minsk agreements (for example, the order of implementation of the points). In this case, it is the United States that will be able to have a wide range of decisions, to which Moscow will have to respond.

Up to the preparation of a successful confluence of the political circumstances of the military adventure, similar to the Croatian operation "The Tempest" against the Serbian Krajina.

At the same time, Washington is trying to regain full control over the Kiev regime so that it can fulfill any of their orders, if necessary, as Mikhail Saakashvili did in the 2008 year. As far as he succeeds, we will look. In the meantime, Kiev and Washington agree that more attention should be paid to the re-equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This, as corruption scandals show, is very beneficial to the first and may be useful to the second.

conclusions

You should not be surprised at the words of Vladislav Dane and other leaders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass. Their actions are fully consistent with the plans of Moscow, and these plans are not short-term. As we have seen, Moscow plays “in the long” and immediately to the whole territory of Ukraine. Neither the Donbass, nor even Left-bank Ukraine is satisfied with it.

This plan was developed as a whole back in the 2014 year and is carried out with surprising persistence and allies and opponents. Yes, he may not like him, he may seem wrong, but let's judge by the result. True, we still have to wait for him for a very long time.
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  1. 100502
    100502 8 November 2017 12: 14 New
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    For a long time I have not read such delirious delusions
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 November 2017 12: 27 New
      13
      Moscow persuaded all parties to the conflict during the three years of the war. And it was obvious at the end of 2014. It is unfortunate that emotions often overshadow our minds and suppress logic.


      Where is the logic here ... what to give the population of these republics to be torn to pieces by the admirers of Bandera ... because they do not hide that in case of victory over LDNR they will cut out and hang all the dissenters from these republics.

      Therefore, I categorically disagree with the Kremlin policy ...

      instead of fighting the Kiev Nazi regime
      The Kremlin is trying to squeeze completely alien republics into this pro-Nazi state, why ??? ... where is the logic then?
      1. Yurasumy
        8 November 2017 12: 42 New
        +5
        And why did you decide that the population of the Republics will be given over to the supporters of Bandera? Do you think so linearly?
        1. Fylhtq
          Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 11 New
          10
          Read Minsk, according to it, all units that are illegal according to Urai laws are either being withdrawn or disarmed, now only the LDNR corps, all the dung and aydars in the state of the Interior Ministry and the Ministry of Internal Affairs have been used for a long time. The amnesty law will be repealed the very next day, under the concerns of Laurel.
        2. Fylhtq
          Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 29 New
          +5
          Yurasummy, everyone knows that you, along with Ishchenko and Rogers, paid by curators from the Kremlin, sold your conscience for money. My advice to you, write for your Amount, but don’t do it for Donbass, we’ll somehow live without usrains, and without its supporters like you.
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 8 November 2017 13: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        to give the population of these republics to be torn to pieces by the admirers of Bandera ... because they do not hide that in case of victory over LDNR they will cut out and hang all the dissenters from these republics.

        Cool down. Nobody will cut anyone out, because no one will give anyone away, and it's too late, it’s impossible to just push Donbass back to Ukraine without blood, and it’s too early for Donbass to join Russia, but it’s never too late. It’s easier to take and divide Ukraine, Syria, etc. But what does it give? Saving people? And how many? Agree on the small sacrificing the big, and then what? Strategically, it just does not matter. Donbass has a different role, the role of an antibiotic or a place under a syringe with an injection for the rest of Ukraine, not everything is lost, it’s too early under the scalpel, and for this the donbass should be in its composition, of course, under certain conditions and these conditions are federalization ...
        1. Puma
          Puma 8 November 2017 20: 14 New
          +2
          Just under the scalpel. Gangrene is not treated with antibiotics.
      3. GAF
        GAF 8 November 2017 17: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        Therefore, I categorically disagree with the Kremlin policy ...

        Warriors of the World, and what will you do with the territory of the Outskirts, reaching the western borders of the USSR? Donbass, restoring infrastructure and its economy, plays the role of an antibiotic for the population of the terminally ill Outskirts.
      4. cyberhanter
        cyberhanter 8 November 2017 19: 54 New
        +2
        Actually, the article is true in general. Sex of Ukraine is less than Ukraine. In the Donbass - much less.
        1. Fylhtq
          Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 13 New
          +7
          Such betrayal on the part of the Kremlin and its puppets in the power of LDNR will be perceived unambiguously as a betrayal and residents of Donbass will not have any pro-Russian character in the composition of the country.
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 9 November 2017 05: 58 New
            +3
            Especially when you consider that everything that the Donbass has now (non-war, financing, marketing, providing state institutions, cooks still CANNOT even with a great desire to rule the state) is the patronage of the hated Kremlin. And you will not live on your own, just as you will not live in the open field, even though wheat has grown there.
            Before commenting, send a correction for your age and education., You are our pro-Russian.
            1. Fylhtq
              Fylhtq 9 November 2017 14: 58 New
              0
              You are a cook, I need my age, so I’ll say 37 years old, I’ve got an "education" at a university, what else are you interested in, are you educated?
              1. CT-55_11-9009
                CT-55_11-9009 14 November 2017 09: 08 New
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                Quote: Fylhtq
                "education" at my university

                HIGH SCHOOL. There are such "establishments" (I can’t call it censorship in any way) that one would not even have to study there - just get dumb.
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 9 November 2017 06: 34 New
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            and no pro-Russian character in the composition of the country, the inhabitants of Donbass will not.
            Do you have a choice?
            Will you become a ride or will you?
            1. Fylhtq
              Fylhtq 9 November 2017 15: 00 New
              0
              There is always a choice, and we will certainly not be such a “fucking” you.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 10 November 2017 06: 25 New
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                I am amused by types that, instead of the argument, go down to insults)))) You yourself are angry with yourself. How many of your men are fighting for freedom? According to some estimates, about 1% !!!
                Do you want someone else to win your freedom? This does not happen.
                As for the "pro-Russian" ... You will be (maybe) if you bring freedom on a silver platter. You have the same hohlat mentality developed
                1. Fylhtq
                  Fylhtq 10 November 2017 19: 02 New
                  0
                  First of all, you should be confused by such "types" as yourself. Your arguments are empty. About how many of our men are fighting for freedom, remember how many of your men fought when more than 90 civilian-ethnic Russians were destroyed in Chechnya from 95 to 30. And many of your men came out at least to protest when the fight, the drunk sold the country, or signed the Khasavyurt agreement? So cover the mittens, hohlyatsky mentality, you are ours.
    2. Yurasumy
      8 November 2017 12: 40 New
      +1
      Which one? Vladislav Deinoy? Well, he is an official person and his "delirium". this is the policy of the LPR. if all this seems to you nonsense, then ....
    3. VadimSt
      VadimSt 8 November 2017 13: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: 100502
      For a long time I have not read such delirious delusions
      I support with two hands! I doubt that the author is aware of what trends, moods and other things are in our DLNR. Both Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky have repeatedly stated - there is no return to Ukraine, the people will not forgive! The only way, the accession of Ukraine, to the DLNR!
      1. Yurasumy
        8 November 2017 13: 47 New
        +4
        The author is in the know. Likewise, what the officials of the DPR think and know. He communicates with them, if that. They all terribly dislike it. But they do not decide what to do and what to say.
        1. GAF
          GAF 8 November 2017 19: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: yurasumy
          The author is in the know. Likewise, what the officials of the DPR think and know. He communicates with them, if that. They all terribly dislike it. But they do not decide what to do and what to say.

          Well, not really like that. Zakharchenko has already made suggestions in conversations online with the cities of the Outskirts to join them in the Donbass. The population is ripening. In Kharkov, the “catering” serves visitors only in Russian, including the menu, and despite the betrayal of Judas Kearns, the city considers itself Russian. The author of the article is right that warlike generals from sand pits do not speak there.
          1. Fylhtq
            Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 17 New
            +1
            Whose population is ripening, people in the Donbass will not understand this, not for the sake of this, many fought and sat under the bombing, Zakharchenko’s authority is much lower now than at the age of 14, you can’t even speak for a carpenter.
      2. reservist
        reservist 8 November 2017 19: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: VadimSt
        The only way, the accession of Ukraine, to the DLNR!

        so it’s written in the article, only in completely different words ...
      3. BecmepH
        BecmepH 9 November 2017 06: 37 New
        0
        Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky repeatedly stated
        They said a lot of things ... They won’t even be asked
    4. BAI
      BAI 8 November 2017 14: 32 New
      +2
      Well, Putin did, in fact, always say that he sees LDNR only as part of Ukraine.
      1. aries2200
        aries2200 8 November 2017 17: 17 New
        +1
        talking is the duty of a politician ... and doing it is not always what to say
    5. Mikhail Zubkov
      Mikhail Zubkov 8 November 2017 19: 41 New
      0
      The sent Cossack - it’s time to ban such provocateurs.
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 8 November 2017 12: 31 New
    17
    Nonsense. I speak as a citizen of the LPR. The article is selective nonsense.
    1. Yurasumy
      8 November 2017 12: 41 New
      +2
      That is, the words of Deinoy do not convince you? And Putin’s words, too? Since when? And on what issues? Do you also think that Putin is grinding rubbish?

      P.S. Kstai Zakharchenko also speaks in the same vein and officials of the DPR. What to do with them? Is everyone "crazy"?
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 8 November 2017 12: 54 New
        11
        This is one thing to say, but in fact we are building our own state, where there is no smell of ruin. We have our own connection, our own bank, currency, state apparatus, car numbers, code of laws, customs at the border.

        And yes, where is Deinogo, Putin, Zakharchenko, Plotnitsky saying that the LPR and DPR are Ukraine? Where and when? I wish to see and hear.
        1. Yurasumy
          8 November 2017 13: 49 New
          +3
          Well, I don’t know what exactly you are building, but talking to officials of the DPR (high "rank"), I am aware of what they are building. They do not like it terribly, but their job is to obey orders. I repeat, as in the article. It may terribly not like, but not everything in the world happens as we like.
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 8 November 2017 14: 28 New
            14
            Officials are servants of the people. It doesn’t matter whether it’s high rank or not. So let their discontent cram deeply into their bowels, smile and follow orders. Or "on their own."

            And yes, in order to assess the scale of the reforms in the LPR, it is necessary not to "communicate with the DPR officials", but to live there so that the difference before and after is visible. A person who has not lived in Donbass for at least five years will never understand our mentality, and what drives us.
      2. avt
        avt 8 November 2017 14: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: yurasumy
        And Putin’s words, too?

        By deeds * you will find out who they are.
        Putin during the Crimean Spring, "said here close to the text - do not forget about New Russia. But its size
        Quote: Sands Career General
        In fact, we are building our own state, where the ruin does not smell. We have our own connection, our own bank, currency, state apparatus, car numbers, code of laws, customs at the border.

        and the question of reunification with Russia, the question of many factors and the reaction of the population in the areas of the Ruins adjacent to LDN. TOTALLY Russia can already take the ruin vryatli - too heavy load in terms of finances and the number of Nazi cockroaches.
      3. Fylhtq
        Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 19 New
        0
        Day 0 without a wand, fish is fish, nobody here ever respected him.
        1. 113262a
          113262a 10 November 2017 12: 47 New
          0
          But Cornet is being pressed!
  3. g1v2
    g1v2 8 November 2017 12: 37 New
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    Even if the republics are officially considered to be part of Ukraine, the Ukrainian government will not be there. In fact, these republics now are a vestibule or a gateway between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. And Ukraine really does not want to open it for its part and will not open it. My personal opinion is that now in Ukraine about 30 percent of the pro-Western population, about the same number of pro-Russian and 40 percent of the inhabitants. who just want to live a normal life. In 2014, they were promised pensions of 5 thousand euros and salaries even higher, as well as lace underpants and visa-free travel. And the layman joyfully painted the garbage cans in a yellow-black color. Now this layman understands that he doesn’t shine well with the previous course and the painting of the tanks has stopped. For example, if the pro-Russian electorate has a foothold and leaders (Donbass and Zakharchenko with Plotnitsky), then having consolidated around themselves 30 percent of the pro-Russian electorate and a significant part of the inhabitants (for example, having promised to return the old prices for communal apartments), these leaders will be able to come to power in Ukraine. That's just all the ms understand that side, and therefore Ukraine and its American curators will not let Donbass go back, except after a tough sweep with the elimination of a possible hotbed of pro-Russian forces. To not officially said. The BPP legally will not be able to compete with its 10 percent rating with a possible 30 percent new pro-Russian block. And the opposition bloc, allied with Pete’s piglet, will then lose all of its electorate. Of course, no one will do this — neither a meager-rated BPP, nor an opposition bloc that could lose its electorate, nor the Dnepropetrovsk clan in the form of the Fatherland and the Popular Front. This is not beneficial to anyone. And therefore, Ukraine will not abide by Minsk, which was understandable initially. And Ukraine can take back the Donbass only under the condition of a grave military defeat. But if such a defeat occurs, then there will be no sense in this for the Russian Federation. request
    Personally, my opinion is just like that of Cato. "Carthage must be destroyed!" The country Ukraine should disappear, and the Russian lands will return to Russia, right up to the Russian city of Lviv. Poles will manage. We at one time drew them their eastern borders and enough of them. When will this return be? HZ. As history shows, such things can take years to finish, then finish in a short time. Therefore, my personal opinion is that in the next few years the republics will live in the quality of such Transnistria, but with an open border with the Russian Federation. OFFICIALLY - UKRAINE, AND ACTUALLY - RUSSIA. But in the end, after some time, they will formally become part of the Russian Federation. HOPE TOGETHER WITH OTHER UKRAINE. hi
    In the meantime, I think that only South Ossetia will officially enter the Russian Federation in the next year or two. As soon as the external situation allows. request
    1. aries2200
      aries2200 8 November 2017 17: 22 New
      +2
      everything is true ... and pshekam ... for nothing! Stalin presented the southern part of East Prussia in 1946 .. Gdansk port ... it was a city of Dancing. Lithuania also presented Klaipeda (northern part of the eastern Prussia) it was a city of memel.
    2. Antares
      Antares 8 November 2017 20: 41 New
      0
      Quote: g1v2
      if the pro-Russian electorate has a fulcrum and leaders (Donbass and Zakharchenko with Plotnitsky)

      if the pro-Russian electorate has a fulcrum and leaders (Donbass and Zakharchenko with Plotnitsky)
      if these are such leaders, then pro-Russian affairs have nowhere to go.
    3. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 9 November 2017 14: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      But in the end, after some time, they will formally become part of the Russian Federation.

      So yes, there is no doubt about that. It's a shame another thing - to fool an entire country at a time, and then return and rebuild it for a long time and painfully with huge victims! Doesn't it seem to anyone that the mattress for this mess on our territory, abundantly watered with the blood of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, must answer, and pay a lot of blood and disaster? Geyropecy already have a conditional instinct - do not touch the Russian people - you will live and live. The Amerian geeks do not have this yet, but they must be instilled by all means and means - the Anglo-Zionist nonhumans are simply overthrown! Mad dogs are shot.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 10 November 2017 19: 09 New
        +1
        The Anglo-Saxons do what they consider their national interests, that is, they remove competitors. It's silly to blame them for it. This is a normal imperialist policy. We also need to adhere to this logic and carry out our nakinteres. Emotion has nothing to do with it. The problem is different. The last 500 years they cannot be destroyed by military force and therefore are regularly destroyed from the inside, pitting against each other. Since the time of troubles. And now they are again trying to launch this mechanism. This must be clearly understood. It is precisely the fact that they are trying to pit us again to destroy even more from the inside. To do this, bleed red, white, rich, poor, Russian nationalists and local and so on. We will not let this happen - and every year we will strengthen and sooner or later we will return a significant part of the lost. Let us pit the western circles for fun - and we will be torn into dozens of small pieces fighting each other. hi
  4. avia12005
    avia12005 8 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +4
    In life, as in politics, we must expect the worst, and the result will be the best. In this case, the worst is a war between Ukraine and Russia with thousands of victims. Not now, after a couple of three, maybe more years. States will not give up to Ukraine until they themselves collapse. Russia is here in the deep tsutsvang. This is not a position. This is a defeat.
    1. BAI
      BAI 8 November 2017 14: 37 New
      +1
      If the situation changes (let's say another Lewinsky at the White House or something like that) and it would be advisable to surrender Ukraine, they will surrender (or rather try to sell) without hesitation. Not her first, not her last.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 8 November 2017 16: 40 New
        +2
        Sale is the goal of the United States. we immediately talked about this and continue to refuse to buy, we wait until we ourselves turn around in our direction.
        do not try to solve their problems,
        I’m joking about “Kolyma is waiting for horses” - it’s really possible to use people from the destroyed industry (the whole outskirts) in the Far East.
        There is no work front in our Far East. needed for 10 million hours
        This will strengthen the position of the Russian Federation in front of China and Japan on the growth of the Far East and "unload" the outskirts.
        .
    2. Puma
      Puma 8 November 2017 20: 30 New
      +2
      Why is war the worst? Far worse than war is defeat without war. And there are always more victims in this case, it’s just not so striking.
  5. Alsur
    Alsur 8 November 2017 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: VadimSt
    I support with two hands! I doubt that the author is aware of what trends, moods and other things are in our DLNR. Both Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky have repeatedly stated - there is no return to Ukraine, the people will not forgive! The only way, the accession of Ukraine, to the DLNR!

    And if Plotnitsky becomes the president, Zakharchenko, the prime minister of the new Ukraine (or vice versa), in this case, your opinion will change on the entry of Donbass into Ukraine ?.
    1. Fylhtq
      Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 23 New
      +3
      You cannot be so naive. The myth of a recovering Ukraine is propaganda nonsense of Kremlin propaganda. Ukraine is zombified, the population is becoming more and more radical, so the thought of Zakharchenko - the presidency, causes a smile.
    2. Puma
      Puma 8 November 2017 20: 37 New
      0
      Not. Firstly, it will be just a return to multi-vector. Secondly, nothing will interfere through the cycle to elect conditional Yarosh as president. An objective basis of events will not go anywhere.
      And for clarity. This is purely theoretical reasoning. The probability of the development of events described by you tends to zero.
      1. Fylhtq
        Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 51 New
        +2
        Already a significant part of the population of Usrains is Russophobia, whoever comes to power he will need to portray Russophobe, even if he is not. There will no longer be any multi-vector Ukraine.
  6. Horst78
    Horst78 8 November 2017 15: 09 New
    +1
    I would like to recall that according to the results of the polls, the inhabitants of Donbass wanted no more than a third of Russia.
    1. Fylhtq
      Fylhtq 8 November 2017 20: 24 New
      +3
      Who told you this, the poll was conducted by Ukrainians, or the Kremlin propagandists announced this? The overwhelming percentage of residents of Donbass for reunification with the Russian Federation.
    2. Dmitry Donetsk
      Dmitry Donetsk 8 November 2017 20: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Horst78
      I would like to recall that according to the results of the polls, the inhabitants of Donbass wanted no more than a third of Russia.

      What polls? Who did? fool negative Just to blurt out! am
    3. 113262a
      113262a 10 November 2017 12: 45 New
      0
      First off! Here you have the correct koment! Not last! Silent accustom to thought!
  7. engineer
    engineer 8 November 2017 18: 32 New
    0
    Nonsense is complete and not contested in the article. I haven’t written for a long time, but I won’t stay here. Which Minsk? Are you crazy? This is the political death of Waltzman and company. The West will never do this without military coercion.
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 November 2017 18: 50 New
    +5
    If you imagine the will of the people of Donbass as a weak-willed political "crowd" in the service of political intriguers, then Mr. Podolyaka does not happen to the right. ..
    The lawyer does not want to admit that the political future of Russia depends on the fate of the Donbass. Or it will be independent Russia, or an impersonal territory of "citizens of the Russian Federation" ....
  9. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 8 November 2017 19: 45 New
    +2
    The Kremlin does not need Ukraine as part of the Federation. He (the Kremlin) needs a union state on its border with Europe. Therefore, he will wait until the situation in Kiev reaches the point of absurdity and lower the Donbass from the leash of the Minsk agreements. If the first blow on the borders of Donbass will be knocking out, then the ordinary “knights” will run home, and the “atamans” and “fathers” that appeared on television screens over western borders, without stopping to regroup or rearm their gangs. Like in Syria ...
  10. Boris Mityashin
    Boris Mityashin 8 November 2017 19: 52 New
    +8
    If you agree. that the "plans of Moscow" - all of Ukraine, and not just its Russian part, then it is impossible! Little Russians, the entire young generation have already re-realized themselves Russophobic ukrami! That is, there was a cultural revolution and it is impossible to return them to their former self-consciousness.
    It would be more farsighted to lead the matter towards a split and separation from all of Russian regions from Ukria. But after that, when they lose their access to the sea, they will become silk-silk, because lose their potential. They will be put on our knees and we are not interested.
  11. Puma
    Puma 8 November 2017 20: 11 New
    +7
    This is worse than a crime. This is mistake.
    All Ukraine will never be neither pro-Russian, nor even more so Russian. A-priory. Is Soviet experience not enough for us? No antibiotics and injections for gangrene will help !!! It was possible (and even now it is possible - would have been) to take away the whole of New Russia, at least halving the economic, mobilization and technical potential of the remaining Bandera part. But Moscow reached for a piece that could neither swallow nor digest. As a result, we have a chance to lose everything.
    In addition, according to the latest statistics, 42% of the population of Russia do not see the Donbass as part of Ukraine (only 7% clearly see it). And if at least half of them are against actively, we will also rake the inner turmoil ...
    1. 113262a
      113262a 10 November 2017 12: 41 New
      +1
      Already wrote, they will turn on the CORRECT TV and the approvals will roll over!
      1. Puma
        Puma 11 November 2017 01: 58 New
        0
        The "correct" TV was turned on even before the first Minsk. 3 years have passed. Overwhelming approval is not observed. And not foreseen.
        What Russians think of television is a common Ukrainian misconception.
  12. loaln
    loaln 8 November 2017 20: 25 New
    +1
    This is a strategy from the series: "And eat a fish, and ....." Moreover, to get a fish from the owner’s hands. Chum himself to provide himself with fish is not for the current, indeed, establishment, and not for the country's leadership.
  13. lady.endzhi
    lady.endzhi 8 November 2017 20: 26 New
    +2
    How is he about his beloved - and the author of these lines ... and he understood everything before everyone else ... and everything is subject to strict logic ... it is unpleasant to read such a boast. Wait and see. But I think that many of the DPR and LPR do not dream of such a nightmare, it’s like signing a verdict on yourself.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2017 22: 07 New
      +1
      Praise, praise me, my mouth, otherwise I will rip your gut ...
  14. Antares
    Antares 8 November 2017 20: 45 New
    +6
    A map where the republics-regions-in reality does not exist. (Republics occupy 1/3 of the former territory of the regions)

    Yura Sumy idealist.
    The Kremlin itself does not need Russians, and Ukrainians even more so. But geochemistry is possible with fates, especially strangers, and with their own passion. Wars in the interests of one corporation of national treasure.
  15. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2017 22: 06 New
    +6
    The author is somehow bad with memory. But what about the Novorossiya project? I personally remember very well how the GDP talked about the historical borders, the Kherson, Kharkov, and Nikolaev provinces .... How did everyone unanimously recall "Russian Odessa" ... Temporary sclerosis?
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 9 November 2017 04: 43 New
      +2
      Of course I want to take Little Russia and New Russia back to Russia, but not everything is so simple! Maybe the time has not come yet and we need to wait until G @ Bno wanders in the minds of the horses of the pan-and-leg? And such, according to my observations, is becoming less and less. You do not forget that in these territories there are people who at one time wanted to suppress the Donbass ..... i.e. people with filthy brains, judging by my relatives .....
      1. 113262a
        113262a 10 November 2017 12: 39 New
        +2
        Wrong to watch! Among the youth there are the majority of horses! Ukrogebelsy soldering not in vain!
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 November 2017 22: 06 New
    +4
    It always makes me laugh when the advocates of the DPR and LPR are called the media in Kiev as terrorists. I haven’t heard such a thing,
    so that in Kiev or another large city, peaceful people die from terrorist attacks. On the contrary, most recently Ukrainian planes
    bombed hospitals, schools, peaceful houses. in the DNI and LC. So who are the terrorists? There was someone to learn from. USA lovers of news
    war against civilians. The justification of these murderers is just words Justice, Punishment for the fact that people do not want
    live by their rules.
  17. TOR2
    TOR2 8 November 2017 22: 41 New
    0
    The author was late with the conclusions of some 20 years. Look at the map, who now needs a united Ukraine? If Donetsk and Lugansk region. still able to integrate into the economy of the Russian Federation, then everything else is under a serious question. Who and for what money will rake all this "srach"?
  18. GUSAR
    GUSAR 8 November 2017 23: 21 New
    +5
    We skipped everything in 2014, and now they draw some "cunning plans" and "multi-paths", now it’s not at all clear what to do with this, the chance is missed
  19. SergF123
    SergF123 9 November 2017 04: 37 New
    0
    In my opinion, everything is described in sufficient detail, by the way very visionary! Many may disagree of course, but a game of chess has many combinations and tactical moves with the loss of any initiatives, with the subsequent selection of even more space on the board. So - why not ?!
    1. Puma
      Puma 11 November 2017 02: 01 New
      0
      Because they do not play chess with us. They play poker with us. And they distort and hold the colt under the table.
  20. Limlim
    Limlim 9 November 2017 14: 44 New
    0
    So they will join Ukraine to the Donbass.
  21. 113262a
    113262a 10 November 2017 12: 36 New
    +1
    Yury Podolyaka! Take your family to Lugansk and wait for the arrival of dill! Weak? Scary? And to thousands of militias with their families in this situation, how? Is Russia ready to accept 2–3 million refugees? Or stop the machine guns? It’s clear that now sociologists will pull themselves up and draw approvals, turn on the fool and start turning the IDEAL-RIGHT TV. And given the circus that is going on with the participation of Cornet (by the way, absolutely pro-Russian!), The beginning of this alignment has already been laid. Deynogo confirmed. Pushilin is still refusing. This alone is already sowing panic.
  22. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 10 November 2017 12: 49 New
    +1
    We need ALL Ukraine. And the Ukrainians, too, but with a normal government, which anyway will someday come to replace this treacherous Bandera.
  23. captain
    captain 10 November 2017 13: 03 New
    0
    Dear author. Kiev does not need the Donbass. It is not needed because it can greatly affect the political situation in Ukraine. And if people from the Donbass come to power in Ukraine, then I’m sure that criminal cases will be opened regarding the stolen billions. Which one will put himself in jail.
  24. Type 63
    Type 63 10 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +2
    Posted by. Let him go to the Donbass and tell it to those whose relatives and friends suffered from high school students.