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Ilya Tyshchenko: Does Ilon Musk Hollywood Hire for a Martian Scam?

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Ilya Tyshchenko: Does Ilon Musk Hollywood Hire for a Martian Scam?



Ilon Musk - an American billionaire, inventor and investor announced the flight and disembarkation to Mars, turning it into a shareholder process: they say, take your seats before paying.

Sometimes you just have to marvel at the role of deception and bluffing in American reality. Obviously, technically and physically Mars "take" is impossible. Well, a hundred people arrived. They will not be able to live there and will not be able to return - the rocket simply does not take off from Mars. You can, of course, hire a ship of suicide bombers, but something is hard to believe in them, although those who wish to become the founders and pioneers of a cemetery on Mars can be found. Where does this adventure come from? - And if it sounded to the whole world, having excited many countries, is this an adventure?

An analogue of the Martian bluff Mask in the recent past - the landing of Americans on the moon. Today is a thousand percent clear - there was a hoax, a Hollywood production. And it is not that the Americans allegedly landed, but that they returned. How? On what? If you have seen at least one launch of the rocket (even on television), then imagine that the same thing, with the same rocket, needs to be done from ... the lunar surface. There is no launch pad or launch control panel. Obviously, if the astronauts returned, it means one thing: under such conditions they did not fly anywhere. Cheating? - Cheating. The decisive argument is that the States never gave a hint about their legal and territorial rights to the moon.

But experts in the US will tell us the following:

"With the help of deception, for many years we removed the inferiority complex from the Americans from the successes in the USSR space." Fact? - Fact. Prairie sweepstakes, truck drivers believed the lunar legend because they wanted to believe in the power of their country. Didn’t the uplifted spirit of ordinary Americans become the engine that made the United States really competitive? Yes, the moon landing is a fraud, but what is the psychological effect for the whole nation! Why not now repeat the same success when the nation falls apart? The prospect of "capturing" Mars can warm the souls of active Americans, especially since on Earth now all territories are already reserved.

Further. Scientific work even on a dubious program, and this has already been calculated, gives a huge amount of related innovations. And the fact that under the dream of Americans easily "shell out" is well known. And if you play on ambitions ("you will be the first or among the first!"), Then the amounts, as a rule, are tripled. So you can not underestimate the Bluff Mask.

If humanity survives, then a jerk on the moon and on Mars with the tasks of colonization is a matter of time. Who will start - that will be the favorite of the race. In this sense, the Mask bluff may not be a false start, but a start under the cover of a bluff. This is extremely important.

Proclaiming leadership in the Martian race, the States take the rights of the leader of civilization, the leader of space. One may press them for work on the illusion as much as possible, they will answer: "Whatever it is - we are working on the Project, we are leaders in this, but it is an illusion or not - time will tell."

The point puts the most important point: the legal rights to Mars. Indeed, it is impossible to return the vehicle to Earth from Mars, but if you launch ten vehicles intended for organizing life on Mars, the matter may be left in order to find people who will consciously stay on Mars. Who can be sure that such people will not be found? Enter history and stake a colony for the States - can inspire? Can.

The adventure of I. Mask is a real challenge to us, and this deliberate deception must be taken very seriously, because with the implementation of deception incredible breakthroughs can surface.

The fight has already begun. States pressurize the information space, preparing some big lie. The liquidation of the “RT” broadcasting system is a link in the chain of pupation of the information space for the implementation of the Big Bluff. And Hollywood can help with this “moon” success!

This bluff - a form of dragging us into the Martian race, which is obviously costly, obviously dubious, and since our people are not at all inclined to take a lie for salvation - our tradition is in the formula of salvation only true - makes us take this comic race very seriously and start shaping the solution.

There are two win-win solutions: to form your Martian project or put forward another Global project instead, which will balance our current image costs for Mars.
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  1. Letun
    Letun 7 November 2017 15: 20 New
    11
    Territorial claims on the Moon and Mars ?! The author seems to have a good rest at the holidays. And another question, if you can’t take off from the moon, how did the USSR deliver lunar soil to the earth? Is it really possible to make a fake at Mosfilm ?!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 7 November 2017 15: 26 New
      13
      if it is impossible to take off from the moon, then how did the USSR deliver lunar soil to the earth?

      about lunar soil brought about 100 grams. That is, of course it is possible to take off, but the capabilities of the equipment were such that it was impossible to deliver the device back with people.
      1. Letun
        Letun 7 November 2017 15: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: glory1974
        about lunar soil brought about 100 grams. That is, of course it is possible to take off, but the capabilities of the equipment were such that it was impossible to deliver the device back with people.

        Well, the logic is clear, you can take off, but no more than 100 grams of payload. laughing And so that the ship was necessarily Soviet, and if not, as the author wrote, this is a 1000% fake lol And what isn’t a mullion? smile
        1. viktorch
          viktorch 7 November 2017 15: 46 New
          +5
          the logic of the supporters of the lunar scam is incomprehensible, the Soviet descent module - did it mean the same for averting eyes? where the USSR was going to shoot its landing? on mosfilm?
          if the USSR had real plans, then the United States had real plans, as well as a multiple budget, and cooperation with all developed countries and fascist rocket launchers.
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 7 November 2017 16: 19 New
            +5
            where the USSR was going to shoot its landing? on mosfilm?

            Ironically absolutely in vain ... at one time the USSR was a leader in the special effects of cinema ... so that they could have removed ...


            and further...
            1. viktorch
              viktorch 7 November 2017 16: 23 New
              0
              they were stupid then, was it difficult to make a landing on the moon with space dinosaurs?
              and then some fools jumping - not really interesting, no drive, no enthusiasm.
              1. d ^ Amir
                d ^ Amir 7 November 2017 16: 34 New
                +1
                Well then a matter of taste !!!! here they didn’t have enough artistic taste ... not enough !!!! and then maybe "Avatar" and even then would have looked .....
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 11 November 2017 00: 27 New
            0
            Quote: viktorch
            the logic of the supporters of the lunar scam is incomprehensible, the Soviet descent module - did it mean the same for averting eyes? where the USSR was going to shoot its landing? on mosfilm?

            The point is in technology, if the Russians still do their toilets, what kind of landing on the moon can we talk about?
    2. opus
      opus 9 November 2017 23: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Letun
      And another question, if it is impossible to take off from the moon, then how did the USSR deliver the lunar soil to the earth? But really on Mosfilm fake blind? !!

      Ilya Vladimirovich Tyshchenko

      After graduating from high school in 1989, he entered the Faculty of Architecture and Civil Engineering at Chelyabinsk State Technical University (now South Ural State University).

      In 1994, he graduated from the Urban Planning Department with a degree in Urban Construction and Economy.

      Scientific-legislative activity. Conducting within the framework of the Izborsk Club 7 scientific directions on bills through the system of legislative seminars.
      1. Legislative analysis of the functional and procedural modernization of the State Duma.
      2. Lobby Bill.
      3. Charity Bill.
      4. The bill on the preparation of representatives of small and medium businesses.
      5. Protectionism bill.
      6. Family Code (work on modernization).
      7. Work under the Municipal Code.
      Did I answer your question?
      Shl. Although dad / mom he is from rocket science

      Quote: Letun
      USSR delivered lunar soil to earth? Is it really possible to make a fake at Mosfilm ?!

      At the Roskosmos TV Studio


      Shl. filming of "moon rovers" from the side was really done at Mosfilm

      Quote: glory1974
      about lunar soil brought about 100 grams.

      stations of the E-8 series had a mass of 5600 kg (+/-), included
      landing platform;
      return rocket;
      returned device.

      The mass of the stage launched from the moon was 512 kg.
      The returned apparatus of the Luna-16 station had weight 35 kg

      delivered regolith 101
      Apollo 11 ONLY the lunar module had a mass of 15 095 kg (+ command module 28 806 kg)
      delivered regolith 21,55 kg
      Command compartment (without emergency rescue system) -TOT, then splash down = 5470 — 5500 kg
      + landing on water

      Now it’s clear why they have 21,55 kg, and we have 100g?

      Threat. And there could be no other
      1. "Proton-K" starting mass near 700tons
      2. Saturn-5 (SA-506) Starting weight 2290 tons
      3. The latitude of launch from Canaveral gives in "+" according to PN for NOO about 15% by weight of this PN


      Quote: glory1974
      but the capabilities of the technology were such that it was impossible to bring the apparatus back with people.

      The first calculations made in the Royal Design Bureau-1 at the very beginning of the 1960-s showed that for the crew to land on the moon, it would first be necessary to put about 40 tons of payload into low Earth orbit.
      Practice has not confirmed this figure - during the lunar expeditions, the Americans had to put three times as much load into orbit - 118 item

      The preliminary design of the UR-700-LK-700 KB Chelomea system (in the basic version of the UR-700) could raise into orbit around 150 tons
      So the joint venture Korolev and co planted the party, government and people according to your logic?


      And Cosmos-434, which in the fourth test conducted in 1971, returned to Earth along the wrong path, falling into the airspace of Australia, as a result of which there could be an international scandal: Soviet diplomats allegedly had to convince the Australians that the object falling on them - Is the Cosmos-434 test space module, and not a nuclear warhead, is it a fake?

      1. Setrac
        Setrac 11 November 2017 00: 30 New
        0
        Quote: opus
        Shl. filming of "moon rovers" from the side was really done at Mosfilm

        Cinema just does not prove or disprove anything, because it’s impossible to fly to the moon to shoot a documentary.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 10 November 2017 23: 34 New
      0
      You compare the weight of one astronaut, without a starting module, and the weight of the soil that flew from the moon with us.
  2. Glory1974
    Glory1974 7 November 2017 15: 28 New
    0
    This Bluff is a form of dragging us into the Martian race

    So it seems that a rover has rode there for a long time, which actually (there are articles on this topic) crawls around Devon Island. But we are not getting involved!
  3. viktorch
    viktorch 7 November 2017 15: 33 New
    +6
    What is the photo of the costume ghoul in the article?
    what did the author eat on holidays? let it light, so that normal people do not poison.

    how much you can carry nonsense about the lunar scam, they’ve already figured out ten times that there were Americans on the moon, by the way, ours were going there too, with a budget much smaller than pendas, we did not have time.

    it’s very expensive to fly to Mars, if the ideological order, regardless of the costs, fly to Mars, then it’s feasible, now there is no such order and developed countries will not spend 10% of GDP on 7-10-20 years for one flight.

    if I fly anyone, it will be at best in the 50th-70th year the mission is one person, and only if there will be breakthrough achievements in energy and materials science.
    1. RomanS
      RomanS 7 November 2017 16: 03 New
      +2
      Everyone has the right to believe what he wants. Even in the American on the moon or Dunno in the Solar City. Disputation rests on arguments and evidence.
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 7 November 2017 16: 05 New
        +5
        Do you think Korolev is a fool, since he took up the impossible task? if he had both a lunar module and a rocket, the Americans simply thumped more resources and quickly brought machinery to working condition, and there were no miracles.
        ps I do not understand skepticism, google the money swollen in the lunar race with amers, and then count it in today's grandmothers and compare with the total annual GDP of Russia.

        for the further development of manned space exploration.
        stupidly need an engine with a thrust on the mass of the structure-the supply of fuel-working fluid is 10 times more than now, to replace chemical engines.
        how it will be - the weight thrown into orbit will radically increase, and the mass thrown to other planets will decrease, then there will be enough for the reserve of LSS and the radiation shield.
        in fact, then, a flight to Mars will not look like suicide for crazy grandmas.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 7 November 2017 18: 23 New
          +9
          the author, of course, is slightly bent, but I find sound notes in his message. I will not dwell on the lunar scam - I have long had my opinion on this topic. If the Americans really had the experience of a powerful rocket capable of throwing a lot of iron on the moon, now there would be much less rumor. Well, peppy astronauts after a week-long flight. The Americans simply did not know how prolonged weightlessness affects the body. You can say anything about money. I can even agree that American stations flew to the moon, but stopudovo without people.
          But I'm not talking about the moon, I'm about Mars. What is the problem of flying to Mars in the current situation? The fact that there is no starship - in the first place. There is no way to put this spaceship at least into orbit around the Earth. There are many more points in the third fourth and one hundred and five hundredths. The United States and its allies have nothing to launch to Mars even though a trio of astronauts.
          Even worse, a landing system has not been developed with Mars. On this planet and around it occur the most emergency situations with terrestrial space units, as well as there are often unsuccessful primarsianirovany. Maybe the Americans have already decided on this topic - I do not know. However, before sending people, it would be necessary to send an automatic spaceship there that could primars at least one landing module of the same format as would be with people. And it’s better not to scatter one or two, but to scatter the whole thing, so that the future colonialists would have something to build their colony from and whatever - whatever you might say, we need equipment for movement and construction work.
          This is not all and there is not even a hint that this will appear in the near future.
          Well, the fact that the Russian cranks from Roscosmos are for some reason conducted on Mask’s statements, and they take his statements about Mars in all seriousness, says a lot. Just that in the days of the USSR, the Americans also managed to agree ....
          1. Topgun
            Topgun 7 November 2017 19: 14 New
            +6
            why did the USSR not debunk the myth that the Americans were on the moon?
            for the USSR it was done - just spit, a satellite with a camera in a very low orbit near the moon - take a picture of the "landing site" or lunar rover there and show the world that he was deceived - it would be 100 times worse for America than if The USSR won the "moon race" but didn’t - say why
            people have no elementary logic ...
            1. Awaz
              Awaz 7 November 2017 19: 37 New
              +3
              a lot of things are happening in the world that cannot be explained by common sense. Although, the USSR at that moment really was a leader in the space race and the United States had serious problems in this topic, although they worked on it. However, by the time the Americans began to fly to the moon, the USSR had a lot of problems with the space program, and it wasn’t easy on earth either. You could just agree that the Americans are slaughtering the sector and the USSR does not touch them there and does not troll, in exchange for something more significant for the USSR.
              By the way, even now, there are no high-definition pictures over the territory where, as the Americans say, they landed. Personally, it seems to me that the Americans sent automatic stations there, but they didn’t succeed with people ...
              1. Topgun
                Topgun 8 November 2017 11: 04 New
                +3
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Reconnaissanc
                e_Orbiter
                there is even a photo where you can see the traces left by astronauts ...
                why not even cooler pictures? it’s very simple - the lower the satellite, the less capture of the moon’s territory, people let them in to map the surface, if someone sent a satellite that filmed with an extension that shows footprints with a tread on the surface, such a satellite would not be able to cope with mapping, it’s gone would be forever ...
                And people know how to count money and do not waste it ...
                PS: when the apollons flew, each launch was accompanied by a broadcast, everything weighed as much as possible and no one on the planet doubted that people were flying there - the whole planet was watching, radio fans were watching, and there was no need to talk about space agencies of the countries - it was cool time, but there weren’t much value others eat and sleep ...
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 8 November 2017 19: 41 New
                  +5
                  Topgun, You are not talking about that photo of the rover tracks that you drew with a felt-tip pen? And yet, why do the mattresses have a gray moon and the Chinese have a brown moon? and yet, where did they go shit for a whole week? In general, the film "How Americans Painted the Moon" to help you.
                  1. Topgun
                    Topgun 9 November 2017 00: 35 New
                    +1
                    again
                    why the USSR, and now Roskosmos will not bring "liars" to clean water? what is stopping them? because the effect will be huge ...
                    PS: If the facts cannot be trusted (everything is faked smile ) then you can ask any scientist, any Russian (Soviet) cosmonaut, any employee of the Russian Space Agency, etc. people in general in the "topic", then everyone will say that the Americans flew and not only the Russian Space Agency and the Chinese space agency (I prefer to believe these people and not EXPERIENCES - nooname from the Internet wink ) ...
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 November 2017 00: 34 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Topgun
                      why the USSR, and now Roskosmos will not bring "liars" to clean water? what is stopping them? because the effect will be huge ...

                      The USSR and Russia now do not have such an instrument of propaganda, people want to believe and the facts here are useless. But there will be no effect, the Americans were convicted with their test tubes with anthrax, and where is the effect?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 40 New
          +1
          If we recalculate the then money spent by the Americans on the Lunar Epic, on current funds, then this is more than one trillion dollars, they spent
          1. max702
            max702 7 November 2017 22: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            then this is more than one trillion dollars they spent

            And why is this big money chtol? They have a debt of 20 ... and nevermind it will be 22-23 business then ....
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 7 November 2017 16: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: viktorch
      how much can you carry nonsense about the lunar scam, ten times already figured out that there were Americans on the moon

      Seriously? Taki 10 times? They proved it staged cartoons? Or articles in smart magazines? Or was Leonov flying at this moment? What objective control data can these flyers provide? I can also claim that I flew to the Tau Ceti. And even the Chinese soil to provide.
      IMHO too many inconsistencies in the whole story. I’m not a gentleman, and I don’t believe these friends. Their reputation is not the same.
      1. Just a man
        Just a man 7 November 2017 20: 14 New
        +8
        Well, you are so unbeliever. Everything has already been proved, and the dispute is not appropriate here. They flew to the moon without straining many times, and they took Berlin and hitler in spite of our help to him, and we chose Trump, and their tennis players Williams only drink milk and do not use any dope, and Mask alone organized the production of rockets in the garage, and Hussein was killed because he had WMD (the tube does not lie), and Lehman Brothers had an AAA rating 5 hours before a complete collapse and default. But who knows what has been truthfully declared by the non-polite USA.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 46 New
        +3
        No, they proved it with 10000 HD-quality photographs, as well as Lunar machines and rockets - which actually exist in iron, by a million people - that these machines tested and created, as well as the movement of lunar soil and dust from the shoes of astronauts, which clearly show that the shooting It was produced in vacuum and with minimal gravity - in terrestrial conditions it is impossible to remove it.
        1. max702
          max702 7 November 2017 22: 22 New
          +8
          Yes, there wasn’t a commonplace toilet ... and you were about shooting shoes .. and by the way, their moon hover didn’t climb into the compartment of the ship under any circumstances (based on the presented data), but that didn’t stop the brave guys from making a ride .. A lot of oh a lot ... and yes, dig why the union did not say anything, do not be lazy ..
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 November 2017 00: 42 New
            +3
            Judging by the size of the module, their Lunar Rover completely fit into one of the cargo compartments, because it was most likely collapsible.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 November 2017 00: 57 New
            +3
            And here he is unloaded from the compartment to the right of the stairs - collapsible.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 8 November 2017 19: 49 New
              +2
              Lane, how did they roll it out? By crane Where are at least similar? Compare how we rolled out our moon rover!
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 9 November 2017 09: 37 New
                +2
                They did not roll it out - they collected it.
          3. PPK
            PPK 9 November 2017 23: 00 New
            0
            Quote: max702
            Yes, there was no commonplace toilet ...

            There was no toilet on all Soviet bombers before the Tu-160. And nothing, somehow flew
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 10 November 2017 23: 44 New
              +1
              And you do all the week in underpants without taking off. And write about your impressions to us.
              1. PPK
                PPK 11 November 2017 00: 04 New
                0
                Have you tried, you know?
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 12 November 2017 10: 45 New
                  0
                  I don `t want. I think that real astronauts, and not from Hollywood crafts, had no such desire, as well as a toilet.
  4. gridasov
    gridasov 7 November 2017 15: 35 New
    +5
    all Mask projects are "old goods in new wrappers", therefore they are also disastrous. Without fundamental fundamentals in creating new physical effects, both Mask and others will have the same thing.
  5. RomanS
    RomanS 7 November 2017 16: 01 New
    0
    They flew, the Americans did not fly to the moon. Today it is a matter of faith and argument. And the fact that Musk is an excellent salesman is for sure! Competently soars the whole planet with beautiful ideas, but to take and calculate the calculator, the consumer somehow does not get it. For you need to use your mind, and draw your own conclusions. Then the mass of versions about lunar flights, dead submarines and the Loch Ness monster will disappear.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 48 New
      +5
      PR is not PR - this is the second thing, but the fact that he begins to realize it all is a fact and he makes money on it.
    2. PPK
      PPK 9 November 2017 22: 55 New
      0
      Quote: RomanS
      but take the calculator and calculate, the consumer somehow will not be able to

      Even as he was honored. Guess who the clients went to launch Proton.
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 7 November 2017 16: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Letun
    Territorial claims on the Moon and Mars ?! The author seems to have a good rest at the holidays. And another question, if you can’t take off from the moon, how did the USSR deliver lunar soil to the earth? Is it really possible to make a fake at Mosfilm ?!

    Yeah ... Looks like he partook of an adult ...
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 7 November 2017 16: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: RomanS
    They flew, the Americans did not fly to the moon. Today it is a matter of faith and argument. And the fact that Musk is an excellent salesman is for sure! Competently soars the whole planet with beautiful ideas, but to take and calculate the calculator, the consumer somehow does not get it. For you need to use your mind, and draw your own conclusions. Then the mass of versions about lunar flights, dead submarines and the Loch Ness monster will disappear.

    Well, enlighten about lunar flights, dead submarines and the Loch Ness monster, do you have a calculator? And show the conclusions made by your mind? What is there and how do you get it in numbers? And then somehow everything is on the heap and on top of the calculator !!!
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 7 November 2017 16: 18 New
      +1
      I like the stories of the Norwegian and Swedish Moreman how they tracked Soviet Soviet bottom submarines.
  8. Lnglr
    Lnglr 7 November 2017 16: 15 New
    +2
    The first time I see here is that the author slapped his photo)))) Yes, even the size of a fifth of the text))
    It should be more modest, however .....
  9. pupsik
    pupsik 7 November 2017 16: 21 New
    +7
    God, how similar idiots s @ cf @ whether brains to people! Already a bunch of people are sure that the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth like a moon.

    Bring me back to the USSR, there were fewer idiots !!!
    1. bnm.99
      bnm.99 7 November 2017 20: 18 New
      +5
      Nude Nude. Musk made Falcon 9 - he will, and Heavy + Boeing is messing with SLS. Since 5, we have not been able to bring the A1995 Angara to mind, and they promise their heavyweight only by the 2030s. I don’t know about Mars, but the Americans will return to the moon. Denying their achievements of the 1960s is stupid.
  10. Eurodav
    Eurodav 7 November 2017 16: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: viktorch
    What is the photo of the costume ghoul in the article?
    what did the author eat on holidays? let it light, so that normal people do not poison.

    how much you can carry nonsense about the lunar scam, they’ve already figured out ten times that there were Americans on the moon, by the way, ours were going there too, with a budget much smaller than pendas, we did not have time.

    it’s very expensive to fly to Mars, if the ideological order, regardless of the costs, fly to Mars, then it’s feasible, now there is no such order and developed countries will not spend 10% of GDP on 7-10-20 years for one flight.

    if I fly anyone, it will be at best in the 50th-70th year the mission is one person, and only if there will be breakthrough achievements in energy and materials science.

    With whom did you make out and make sure that the mattresses were on the moon? And why didn’t they give the soil to world scientific institutions, did they drag it, like a lot? Ours without astronauts gathered zhmenka and immediately distributed it around the world for study ... Mattresses only after studying ours, gave their own, what was added / increased there, figs knows, but knowing the nation of peacocks, it should be like the other way around? Must everyone poke it everywhere, look, study and envy !!! But it wasn’t here ... And why did the moon-nafts so suspiciously end their mortal days? Isn’t it because they would have left them in this world, because they would not have concealed such things from old senility / dementia?
    So there is no need for dreams, in this dark story there are more questions than answers ... A simple way is to launch the telescope in the desired orbit and it will show / will not show the traces of Armstrong and everything else ... there is a vacuum, the traces are eternal ...
    1. Topgun
      Topgun 7 November 2017 19: 17 New
      +2
      why did the USSR not debunk the myth that the Americans were on the moon?
      for the USSR it was done - just spit, a satellite with a camera in a very low orbit near the moon - take a picture of the "landing site" or lunar rover there and show the world that he was deceived - it would be 100 times worse for America than if The USSR won the "moon race" but didn’t - say why
      people have no elementary logic ...
      1. max702
        max702 7 November 2017 22: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Topgun
        why did the USSR not debunk the myth that the Americans were on the moon?

        You should have got a closer look at this issue, the United States paid the USSR very well .. And everything went to the natural end of this scam, but Gorbachev’s associates decided to sell the country ...
        1. Topgun
          Topgun 8 November 2017 10: 42 New
          +2
          can you be more specific when and how much you paid?
          and what prevents Roskosmos from debunking now?
  11. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 7 November 2017 16: 42 New
    +3
    Delirium of the disease.
    It was much more interesting to read about Mask pasta, the professional style was felt.
    Immediately from each phrase comes the stale aroma of an amateur.
  12. Astor
    Astor 7 November 2017 18: 34 New
    +2
    They have already visited Mars and even shot the film in 1977. It is called "Capricon-1" (Capricorn-1). Director Peter Hyams was inspired by NASA's moonlight scam.
  13. thinker
    thinker 7 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +4
    Hollywood and PR are great power. Here you are, the first Woman in space yes
  14. bunta
    bunta 7 November 2017 19: 21 New
    +5
    The Americans were on the moon. Here are the satellite tracks:
    http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16708
    http://www.membrana.ru/particle/15700
    Here is the photo archive:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchiv
    e / albums
  15. MadCat
    MadCat 7 November 2017 19: 29 New
    +6
    when his cosmos was re-profiled into a taxi fleet, all that was left was to clown through the grinding of tooth enamel laughing
    Ilya Tyshchenko notably blazes the fifth point wassat
  16. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 19: 40 New
    +5
    Quote: Letun
    Territorial claims on the Moon and Mars ?! The author seems to have a good rest at the holidays. And another question, if you can’t take off from the moon, how did the USSR deliver lunar soil to the earth? Is it really possible to make a fake at Mosfilm ?!

    It’s better if Tishchenko preoccupied with making a TV series called “Angara” on Mosfilm than thinking about Mask.

    Quote: glory1974
    if it is impossible to take off from the moon, then how did the USSR deliver lunar soil to the earth?

    about lunar soil brought about 100 grams. That is, of course it is possible to take off, but the capabilities of the equipment were such that it was impossible to deliver the device back with people.

    Yah??? You would rather read Mukhin and his companions, and you would take and study the monograph of Shuneiko. It would be more useful. Most importantly, they would not write such nonsense about the capabilities of technology ..

    Quote: viktorch
    the logic of the supporters of the lunar scam is incomprehensible, the Soviet descent module - did it mean the same for averting eyes? where the USSR was going to shoot its landing? on mosfilm?
    if the USSR had real plans, then the United States had real plans, as well as a multiple budget, and cooperation with all developed countries and fascist rocket launchers.

    Of course at Mosfilm, where else. Although not. probably for this the Yalta film studio would be better.
    One D.E. beat wrote a little book, which immediately denigrated hundreds of thousands of Soviet scientists who worked in this industry, calling them scoundrels, and now many are already squealing from his little book. But you ask such adepts Mukhin a question, and where did the Americans get the soil, which they provided us with an agreement, they are silent, or they immediately begin to expose scientists from GEOCHEM as scoundrels. stating that they are scoundrels and scum, who went on about the Americans

    The budget, if my sclerosis does not fail me, was approximately 4 billion dollars for the USSR and 26 billion for Americans. We started work about 4 years later. And frankly, the fascist rocket launchers are not quite at work here. Yes, Brown did. But didn’t we have ours? Only here we had confusion and vacillations in this matter, everyone pulled a blanket over themselves, and for them it was a NATIONAL program, regardless of whether Boeing did it, Lockheed or anyone else

    Quote: d ^ Amir
    Ironically absolutely in vain ... at one time the USSR was a leader in the special effects of cinema ... so that they could have removed ...

    What for? Once in a conversation, Alexei Arkhipovich was asked about the possibilities of filming or shooting. He said something like this.
    “Whatever ace you shoot, it is impossible to create the conditions of another planet on earth. Too many details. But you could make a photo on the first page of the magazine in the pavilion, because there could be no guarantee for a 100% quality image”
    COULD AND NOT BE. But it could have been

    Quote: viktorch
    if I fly anyone, it will be at best in the 50th-70th year the mission is one person, and only if there will be breakthrough achievements in energy and materials science.

    No one will send one from a security point of view. I don’t know if you are aware, but unlike the Americans, our astronaut should have been on the moon alone. So, the calculations showed that if he, God forbid, suddenly falls on his back - that's all, he just can’t get up. It will remain on the moon. Therefore, no one will send one. And, in principle, it doesn’t make much difference how many cosmonauts will be - there are no 1 or 6. Food stocks will not particularly affect the mass of the Martian complex. And 6 people are more reliable and safer.
  17. tarragon
    tarragon 7 November 2017 19: 40 New
    0
    Musk is an American businessman, nothing more. One of the principles of doing business in America is: “In any situation in business, even negative, always create the appearance of success. This is written in Soras’s textbooks on economics, they are taught in schools there. After the fantastic statements by Mask, we learn that he has losses with Tesla.
    If you delve into such examples in America a lot.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 53 New
      +3
      And what are his losses with Tesla?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 November 2017 20: 58 New
      +1
      State support will pull him out of any pit.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 8 November 2017 12: 07 New
        +1
        https://m.ru.investing.com/equities/avtovaz-finan
        cial-summary
        https://ru.investing.com/equities/tesla-motors-ba
        lance-sheet
        Tesla assets by years (Assets total value of company assets)
        2016 2015 2014
        22664,08 8067,94 5830,67
        Obesity (the sum of all types of company debts)
        2016 2015 2014
        17911,17 6984,23 4918,96
        For comparison, AvtoVAZ for the same years
        list of Assets
        2016 2015 2014
        124220 135273 164696
        Commitments
        2016 2015 2014
        182461 174475 130144

        So to speak, feel the difference, and most importantly, evaluate the difference between assets and impairments.
  18. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 19: 41 New
    +8
    Quote: AwaZ
    If the Americans really had the experience of a powerful rocket capable of throwing a lot of iron on the moon, now there would be much less rumor. Well, peppy astronauts after a week-long flight. The Americans simply did not know how prolonged weightlessness affects the body. You can say anything about money. I can even agree that American stations flew to the moon, but stopudovo without people.

    Krivotolkov who? Do you have industry experts or Internet readers? And why should astronauts not be peppy? What does a three-day flight so affect muscle mass that they become half-bodies? Our visits from a 2-3-week expedition visit do not look half-corpses. Themselves go ....
    Long-term weightlessness is three weeks of immobility, as in our Soyuz-9 - then yes, the pipe is the thing. And with their volumes of the ship and the lunar module, creating a load on the muscles was very simple ...
    Do you agree that American stations could fly to the moon? You can find out which and when they were launched, so that it coincided with the lunar flights. Further, kilometers of film and audio recordings, thousands of photos in each flight - also to Hollywood ??? After all, all this is fashionable to take and calmly look at the NASA website. One detail - NOT FOR FREE. The cost of EMNIP is 3 or 4 hundreds of dollars. But Mukhin and his followers are trying not to mention this. We simply do not have such extra money to let them “throw it away” for the sake of interest. And the level of knowledge of the language in a huge number of users at the baseboard level ... What to do with these kilometers? Do not consider it as evidence, considering the writings of the author of the book "Lunar scam"?

    Quote: AwaZ
    But I'm not talking about the moon, I'm about Mars. What is the problem of flying to Mars in the current situation? The fact that there is no starship - in the first place. There is no way to put this spaceship at least into orbit around the Earth. There are many more points in the third fourth and one hundred and five hundredths. The United States and its allies have nothing to launch to Mars even though a trio of astronauts.

    3-4 years ago, Roscosmos released a monograph entitled "Manned Flight to Mars." If you delve into the network you can find it. Your arguments seem unsolvable only at first glance. I will not mislead you, but as far as I remember, the Martian complex in mass should be a structure of something in the region from 600 to 1000 tons. The design is modular. It should be assembled in orbit as we once assembled the WORLD and together with the Americans assembled the ISS. Complicated? Yes, of course. It will take dozens of starts of superheavy carriers capable of launching loads of 50-70-100 tons into orbit. But is it so unreal?
    Technically, all this is feasible. The crew of such a complex was supposed to be something about 6 people, but I don’t remember exactly. Flight time is about 1200 days. In the monograph even the side rations are painted, their number, energy and all that.

    Quote: AwaZ
    Even worse, a landing system has not been developed with Mars. On this planet and around it occur the most emergency situations with terrestrial space units, as well as there are often unsuccessful primarsianirovany. Maybe the Americans have already decided on this topic - I do not know. However, before sending people, it would be necessary to send an automatic spaceship there that could primars at least one landing module of the same format as would be with people. And it’s better not to scatter one or two, but to scatter the whole thing, so that the future colonialists would have something to build their colony from and whatever - whatever you might say, we need equipment for movement and construction work.

    The last stations land quite stably. Let's be honest. Most emergency situations occurred not just with terrestrial vehicles, but with Soviet ones. Both “Viking” sat down regularly, later - too. And no one is going to send a manned expedition there after working off the take-off and landing system from the bay. Before the manned are planned several unmanned for various purposes, including and with the take-off module, which should deliver the soil to Earth .. And you are right. First there will be machines. Moreover, copies of manned landing and take-off modules ..

    Quote: AwaZ
    This is not all and there is not even a hint that this will appear in the near future.
    Well, the fact that the Russian cranks from Roscosmos are for some reason conducted on Mask’s statements, and they take his statements about Mars in all seriousness, says a lot. Just that in the days of the USSR, the Americans also managed to agree ....

    What hints do you need? Creation of the SLS carrier and the Orion manned module are hints for you or not? Experience gained during long-term expeditions to the ISS - experience or not? Another thing is that the date 2030 may turn out to be unrealizable - it may well be. But for this date another 18 years ....

    Quote: Winnie76
    Or articles in smart magazines? Or was Leonov flying at this moment? What objective control data can these flyers provide?

    Even you can check it if you do not regret to transfer 200 or 300 dollars to NASA and get access to lunar materials. But as I suspect. You don’t have 150-200 thousand extra rubles, like most of us do. Why, then, talk about objective control data. We also have them, these data, but like all materials in this industry are stamped. So we can’t view them. Even if we have the necessary form of admission ....
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 7 November 2017 20: 38 New
      +1
      Old26 is a matter of religion here, however, the statements of Mask and someone else about flying in the year 22 or 25 are complete bullshit, and there is no need to pull over for the 30s — there are words of the Mask with the exact date — it is definitely not feasible. You yourself understand that there is no starship, all that is is layouts. How many years have the ISS been assembled and built? Until now, it’s still not completed, although it is already working out its own term.
      Imagine that now there is a rocket and modules for assembling a spaceship, at least one (and now there are none at all). He, with all the efforts, will be collected for two years, then set up and look for a window to start, to save time. Even if you start in the next three to four years, then you need to cook the next one, this is a minimum of five years. For anyone without people, at least three flights must be completed if everything is perfect. It is about 20 years old. So it's too early to dream about Mars. Perhaps in the next 50 years something will succeed, and even with a happy set of circumstances, if it is also possible to catch some kind of breakthrough in technology. Musk is unlikely to survive a manned flight to Mars. I think even to the moon hardly anyone will fly away in the near future.
      However, about the four days of the flight, you too distort the sir. Americans flew back there for a week. The first Soviet cosmonauts, circling in orbit for a week, returned in half corpses. The Americans did not have any simulators that are now on the ISS.
    2. NN52
      NN52 7 November 2017 20: 41 New
      +7
      And specify pzhl .. 200-300 dollars, is it 150-200 thousand of our rubles?
      Or is it a typo?
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 10 November 2017 23: 51 New
      0
      Krivotolkov who? Do you have industry experts or Internet readers? And why should astronauts not be peppy? What does a three-day flight so affect muscle mass that they become half-bodies? Our visits from a 2-3-week expedition visit do not look half-corpses. Themselves go ....


      And where did you get all this? And about to the moon and back in three days. And about our vigor. Share the bins.
    4. region58
      region58 12 November 2017 02: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Even you can check it if you do not regret to transfer 200 or 300 dollars to NASA and get access to lunar materials.

      There are a lot of things you can see for free ... for example:
      https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/apollo1
      1.html
      From there:
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 12 November 2017 20: 15 New
        0
        And you, my friend, a comedian. They tell you directly. that NASA is lying, and you offer to turn to his crafts. And read what I asked you about. And then I'm talking about Thomas, and you're talking about Yerema.
        1. region58
          region58 12 November 2017 21: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: NordUral
          And read what I asked you about.

          You did not ask me about anything.
          Quote: NordUral
          NASA is lying, and you propose to turn to his crafts.

          It was a question of paid / free access to information, so, sorry, this is not for you, this is for those interested. For you, this is a matter of faith ... NASA certainly will not help ...
  19. Astor
    Astor 7 November 2017 20: 36 New
    0
    Quote: thinker
    Hollywood and PR are great power. Here you are, the first Woman in space yes

    Definitely the first Woman, because she does not look like a woman.
  20. nmaxxen
    nmaxxen 7 November 2017 21: 07 New
    +2
    With the declared dubious purpose of a flight to Mars sometime in the 30s. NASA has secured a few years of further serene existence.
    Khoja Ishak Emir is a classic.
    The tricky floodlights of the Mask with a flight to Mars in 2022 are just a cheap low-grade hype designed for an audience that after a year does not remember what it was led to.
    Or on the pathos that in 2022 after the classic and repeatedly said on many occasions “well, I couldn’t, I couldn’t” The mask - proclaim the sublime, spiritual calm - “But he set such a goal! He tried! Well, what is it?
    Ugh .. Shame ..
    1. nmaxxen
      nmaxxen 8 November 2017 02: 10 New
      +2
      this does not mean that, I scold foreigners and praise the corrupt, thieving and, as a result, stupid for the most part. Roskosmos.
      In the Russian cosmonautics it is still worse.
      They use the Soviet backlog and have done nothing new except for unprincipled modernizations.
      And this hurt in manned space exploration (the Soyuz spacecraft, which was created to fly to the moon and was mainly developed in the 60s), is enough to serve not only itself, but the rest of the world.
      But the potentially fast, but tied hand and foot comprador authorities of the Russian Federation of Russian Achilles may well be overtaken by a foreign turtle.
      Fortunately, there is still time - about 5 years, because this turtle carries a huge burden of bureaucratic snobbery and red tape by NASA,
  21. spirit
    spirit 7 November 2017 21: 51 New
    +1
    So let's see in 10 years where Musk will be, and where this comrade with a red face lol who will be in outer space and who is under the fence)
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 10 November 2017 23: 53 New
      +1
      But this comrade with a red nose very sensibly outlined the benefits, even from bluffing. And he justified it by the benefits of moon bluffing.
  22. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 22: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: AwaZ
    Old26 is a matter of religion here, however, the statements of Mask and someone else about flying in the year 22 or 25 are complete bullshit, and there is no need to pull over for the 30s — there are words of the Mask with the exact date — it is definitely not feasible. You yourself understand that there is no starship, all that is is layouts. How many years have the ISS been assembled and built? Until now, it’s still not completed, although it is already working out its own term.

    I don’t know what he said there, but from a year ago on the SpaceX website the date was EMNip, nevertheless 2030. For an earlier period, if flight was planned without landing.

    Quote: AwaZ
    Imagine that now there is a rocket and modules for assembling a spaceship, at least one (and now there are none at all). He, with all the efforts, will be collected for two years, then set up and look for a window to start, to save time. Even if you start in the next three to four years, then you need to cook the next one, this is a minimum of five years.

    Assembly - really about 2-3 years. Tune? What exactly? About the "window". here just if you wait for the window, it will not be about 1200 days, but less, EMNIP about 700. But at the same time the mass of the complex will not be much less. Therefore, as far as I remember, they didn’t bother with the “window”

    Quote: AwaZ
    Even if you start in the next three to four years, then you need to cook the next one, it’s a minimum of five years

    Well, if the expedition is international this period can be significantly reduced. Can be built in parallel

    Quote: AwaZ
    For anyone without people, at least three flights must be completed if everything is perfect.

    Why, if everything is ideal to do 3 expeditions? In fact, the Martian complex is the same orbital station, only with food supplies and engines. What, orbital stations launched three unmanned? All possible risks will be tried to minimize, although the risk will always remain. But it is unlikely that it will be possible to achieve a risk of 1-2%. There are those who take the risk. First to Mars, then to Jupiter and beyond. They will go, even if they know that they may not return

    Quote: AwaZ
    So it's too early to dream about Mars. Perhaps in the next 50 years, something will succeed, and even with a happy set of circumstances, if it is also possible to catch a breakthrough in technology. .

    It is necessary to dream. Otherwise, the routine will lead to the fact that we stop looking at the starry sky. First, let's say early to Mars, let's talk in 50 years, then they’ll say, why do we fly into orbit, and so we all know about the influence of weightlessness ... Maybe after 50 years, or maybe after 15. After all, it’s already at the stage let's say works and nuclear engines. If it, the NRE, appears in the next 5 years, then in 10 years it can be brought to the required capacity. But in principle, the main thing in this complex is the engine ...

    Quote: AwaZ
    Musk is unlikely to survive a manned flight to Mars. I think even to the moon hardly anyone will fly away soon ..

    Here we invade the realm of speculation

    Quote: AwaZ
    However, about the four days of the flight, you too distort the sir. Americans flew back there for a week ..

    4 days there, some time on the surface (and this is no longer in a state of weightlessness) and as much back. To be precise, flight A-12 was as follows
    • after 110 hours landing
    • 32 hours on the surface (no longer in zero gravity)
    • start at T + 142 hours
    • Landing at T + 244 hours.
    Four there, four back. Weightless for 8 days

    Quote: AwaZ
    The first Soviet cosmonauts, circling in orbit for a week, returned in half corpses.

    No. After 19 days of flight on Soyuz-9 in a capsule with a diameter of 2 meters, sitting in lodgements - then they really were ....

    Quote: AwaZ
    The Americans did not have any simulators that are now on the ISS.

    Their simulators were already on SKYLEB

    Quote: NN52
    And specify pzhl .. 200-300 dollars, is it 150-200 thousand of our rubles? Or is it a typo?

    Thanks, of course a typo. He wrote about 200-300 dollars, and automatically increased by 1000. Although the dollar took as much as 70 rubles. Of course, 12-18 thousand rubles (rounded)

    Quote: Astor
    Definitely the first Woman, because she does not look like a woman.

    Stop jerking. Not a beauty, of course, but not everyone should be beautiful. In our first set, too, we did not have all the female beauty standards. And the fact that they wrote the first woman in space is a purely American view of things. They always think that they are the first. But the astronauts themselves know very well who was the first. And all these posters are designed for the layman. Like us ....
  23. Rplay
    Rplay 7 November 2017 23: 13 New
    +6
    Not tired? To interfere with a bunch of "Lunar scam", Mask, Hollywood, etc. etc. The article is complete slag. Do not need this.
  24. Fox
    Fox 8 November 2017 01: 47 New
    +1
    about the Mask here is well and detailed painted ... https: //www.atraining.ru/trainers/kar
    manov / powerwall /
  25. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 8 November 2017 06: 33 New
    +4
    Yes, Ilona Mask is a "pasta monster," but we have an RD-180. Or is it not long ago "with us"? Here is what is written here https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/3290279.htm
    l on this occasion: ".... It should be noted that this contract then strongly fell back on the Russian military-industrial complex, because when Russia itself needed a" half "engine for the Rus-M and Angara missiles, it turned out that under the terms of the contract it could not to manufacture the RD-180 for its own purposes, and should purchase it from the American company Pratt & Whitney.
    Now all the key elements of the RD-180 are protected by US patents! Well, offhand, so as not to be unfounded: US Patent 6244041, US Patent 6226980, USPatent 6442931. Moreover, although the "base" of the engine is taken from the Soviet RD-170, all the subtle control mechanics and automation: pumps, valves, control circuits - this is all - American, real American developments owned by Lockheed and Martin.
    And therefore, when Russia needed exactly such an engine as the RD-180 for the Rus-M missiles, it was necessary to start developing the full Russian analogue, the RD-180V, in which American patents and American developments would not be used. This problem could not be solved: by that time there were still specialists in engine production in Russia, but there were no specialists left to develop them.
    As a result, to put on the Angara is not a “half”, but a “quarter” RD-191 engine. ... "
    Well, "- The Americans were sold all the test results of a flying laboratory on the subject of" Cold. "And the last test (in 1998) was conducted with funding from the United States. In return, they gained access to all invaluable research materials. As a result, in 2001, miraculously , without any research potential, in the USA three experimental prototypes of the X-41 hypersonic apparatus were built at once. ".... The space is ours, yeah. wink
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 8 November 2017 14: 18 New
      +3
      so about "our space", they write about the restaurant space and its roof, they can’t share who milks the point.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 November 2017 11: 13 New
      +1
      “Without any research backlog” - For them, this backlog starts back in the 60s, just like ours.
  26. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 8 November 2017 09: 24 New
    +2
    Mask Cheater is certainly great. All Mars, Tesla and hyperloops. And also gigafektori and other batteries ... But what about the reusability of the first stage? Still a scam or what?
  27. PPK
    PPK 9 November 2017 22: 48 New
    +2
    Oh, here it turns out to sectarians - lunar conspirators can post articles ..
  28. Linkor200
    Linkor200 11 November 2017 22: 00 New
    +1
    This Tyshenko accidentally is not a relative of Comrade Sofronkov from the UN - he carries the same crap and heresy. In addition, they are very similar physiognomies. You can’t say better / worse about him.
  29. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 November 2017 00: 47 New
    0
    Do you even know the author that Musk himself recognized the impossible colonization of Mars in the foreseeable future ?! At least read something on the topic before talking nonsense.