Turkey is ready to create its own helicopter

Turkish designers have gained enough experience to create a domestic attack helicopter. According to the portal janes.com, the company Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) announced the start of work on the creation of a combat vehicle called ATAK 2.

To date, TAI is already producing attack helicopters T129 for the Turkish army (the car is a licensed copy of the AW129 Italian helicopter Mangusta, developed in 80-e).

Computer model of the helicopter ATAK 2.

TAI indicates that ATAK 2 will be bigger and heavier than T129. The weight of the helicopter will be 6 t, while it will have a high level of booking and can carry both artillery and rocket-bomb armament.

Computer model of the helicopter T625.

To reduce the cost of developing a new rotary-wing machine in the TAI plan to use the developments obtained in the design of the helicopter T625. This multi-purpose 10-ton machine with a capacity of up to 20 people will be made for the army in various versions. Despite differences in configurations and purpose, ATAK 2 and T625 helicopters will be developed in parallel, and their elements will be in many ways similar and even interchangeable, reports "Warspot"

Comments

[Jedi]

I looked at the first photo and thought: deja vu? Poured "mongoose" with an accuracy of several decimal places:

Or will only external resemblance take place?

[maxim947]

I wonder Whose engine?

[Jedi]

It’s hard to say, because this is just a project.

[san4es]

Quote: Jedi

... so far, just a project.

Hi Max .. Translate from Turkish?

[sabakina]

Sanya! Tell me, how can I make a drum from a "truck"? Our KA-50 with such difficulties was born! But then the military "on the ground" asked the pilots to stay on a business trip. It’s a pity I didn’t save an article from the Russian newspaper. They talked about Chechnya and the KA-50.

[san4es]

Hi Slav

Quote: sabakina

... how can one make a drum from a "truck" ?.

... Leave the engine with the gearbox, copy everything else

[sabakina]

Got it. I went from the official focus to put the motor on a personal Zaporozhets!

[maxim947]

They plan to produce this pepelats in a joint venture with the Sikorsky company, respectively, many components and components will be produced under license, but with the wording produced in Turkey, that’s all. "independence"

[san4es]

Quote: maxim947

This pepelats plan to produce in conjunction with Sikorsky

... I thought so ... Looks like CH-53, Sea Stallion

[not main]

Quote: san4es

Quote: maxim947

This pepelats plan to produce in conjunction with Sikorsky

... I thought so ... Looks like CH-53, Sea Stallion

Well, where did you see the resemblance? Nothing in common except single-rotor circuitry!

[san4es]

Quote: non-primary

Well, where did you see the resemblance? !

... purely external forms (in profile)

[Mimoprohodil]

Then S-92

[antivirus]

how far we have gone in 70 years from most countries in the world.
It turns out that it is necessary to catch up with the United States and 2-3 others, and not Turkey and India (by GDP, not the aviation industry).
Who will be responsible for “running on the spot” for 10-15 years?

[Jedi]

Hi Sasha! I am not strong in the Turkish dialect ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: maxim947

I wonder Whose engine?

Can Ukrainians subsidized ??? if finally this helicopter will be !!!

[xetai9977]

The Turkish defense industry has taken a huge step over the past 10 years. From ships and aircraft to riflemen and missiles. Well done!

[Barshchik-M]

Quote: xetai9977

The Turkish defense industry has taken a huge step over the past 10 years. From ships and aircraft to riflemen and missiles. Well done!

Like Azerbaijan ..! Praise each other? Israel praises you too .. But the Russians are working!

[xetai9977]

And what, "gracious," means there is something to praise. Don’t worry about us. And go work too, and not sit on the couch. You are our worker.

[antivirus]

I’m sitting on a bench, from the butt of the oak, like Ilya the Murom’s, I'm sitting.

[mgero]

Azerbaijan has also made one big breakthrough (in agriculture) in recent years, well done

[xetai9977]

"Azerbaijan has also made one big breakthrough (in agriculture) in recent years, well done"
Is it bad? Great! Currency in the country, jobs. By the way, I didn’t create one, but did it.

[sabakina]

Is melon sweeter?

[evil partisan]

Quote: sabakina

Is melon sweeter?

More expensive...

[Barshchik-M]

Quote: sabakina

Is melon sweeter?

And cloves are brighter. in the bazaars.?
And the Turks began to see the turntables during the military coup ...
If not for our special services, Khan Erdogan would have come ..
Buy our turntables And you will be happy!
Reliable security .. And the guys are risky! \
You will not regret ..

[Barshchik-M]

Quote: xetai9977

"Azerbaijan has also made one big breakthrough (in agriculture) in recent years, well done"
Is it bad? Great! Currency in the country, jobs. By the way, I didn’t create one, but did it.

Well, let it be so .. And when are you going to return Karabakh? It’s just interesting to us all ...
Can concede nevertheless ..? Why do you need these mountainous areas ...

[antivirus]

at the beginning of 00, he was traveling with an Azerbaijani in a train, from the capital of our Motherland, Hero of Moscow City: "They sold Karabakh and did not have the strength to buy it back."
the hardest thing is to get money back
and stones watered with blood are more expensive than gold.

[FLOOD]

Whatever flag they sit under, they still scorch themselves. ARRR Rifmetika also they Made therefore, our jerks believe)))

[Pirogov]

Quote: xetai9977

The Turkish defense industry has taken a huge step over the past 10 years. From ships and aircraft to riflemen and missiles. Well done!

A huge step in the riveting of rifles, which are enough for a hundred shots, or the assembly with the euro of American components, various military equipment? Is it possible to hear more about Turkish PEREMOGO in the military-industrial complex? What I can agree with you that the first step has been taken and indeed in Turkey have begun to pay great attention to this issue.

[DMB_95]

Quote: xetai9977

The Turkish defense industry has taken a huge step over the past 10 years. Well done!

"Great Ottoman Empire" with a long history, it is time to finally learn how to create by the at least something decent. Well, even if they take an Italian pinwheel for the sample, since they themselves are "Well done!" ...

[pvv113]

The crew will be Turkish And the rest of the details are one to one

[Jedi]

No, Volodya - the “Mongoose” has a maximum take-off weight of 4,1 tons. And this one has 1,5 times more. Maybe the Turks based on the fuselage "Mongoose" will develop their own, enlarged?

[pvv113]

Increased take-off weight may require a more powerful power plant - and these are the engines and main gearbox. That is, again, the Turks will have to import it.

[Jedi]

Here I am about the same. So the "Turkish" this helicopter will be nominally.

[pvv113]

Well, on the other hand, let them try. As Comrade Beria used to say: attempt is not torture

[Jedi]

As I wrote below: Allah will help them.

[210ox]

The Turks copyright to the Chinese typed ..

Quote: Jedi

I looked at the first photo and thought: deja vu? Poured "mongoose" with an accuracy of several decimal places:

Or will only external resemblance take place?

[hohol95]

To date, TAI is already producing attack helicopters T129 for the Turkish army (the car is a licensed copy of the AW129 Italian helicopter Mangusta, developed in 80-e).

[self-propelled]

Quote: Jedi

TAI says the ATAK 2 will be bigger and heavier than the T129. The mass of the helicopter will be 6 t, With he will have a high level of reservation and will be able to carry both artillery and missile-bomb weapons.

tell me to an ignorant how, with a mass of 6 tons, you can have a high level of reservation (not even security) and carry a cueva cloud of various weapons ?!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: self-propelled

tell me to an ignorant how, with a mass of 6 tons, you can have a high level of reservation (not even security) and carry a cueva cloud of various weapons ?!

Yes easy ... just will not fly

[pvv113]

An example is the Mi-24. It has a high level of armor, various weapons options and a maximum take-off weight of about 11,5 tons. But he has two engines with a capacity of 2500 horses each

[hohol95]

Have you carefully read the article?

To date, TAI is already producing attack helicopters T129 for the Turkish army (the car is a licensed copy of the AW129 Italian helicopter Mangusta, developed in 80-e).

[venik]

Quote: Jedi

I looked at the first photo and thought: deja vu? Poured "mongoose" with an accuracy of several decimal places:

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So she is, dear! It’s just that in the caption to the picture - “one-piece” - not ATAK-2, but T-129! And this same ATAK - will be based on the T625 (second photo).

[Jedi]

If so, then it is clear. And then I already thought that the enlarged fuselage of the Mongoose would be taken as the basis.

[Kasym]

Mongoose looks like a Mi-24.
It seems that the Turks in the military-industrial complex invite foreigners or pay for the development, and then they introduce it at home. It hurts to develop rapidly: tank, armored personnel carrier, turntable, optics, air defense desire. And it looks like NATO no longer really rely on. Let's see how they go on F-35.

[Zaurbek]

So this Mongoose is ... aborted.

[Mountain shooter]

Yes, some garbage. Manufacturing under license, this is not at all the creation of a design school, test benches, and much more ...

[xetai9977]

No bullshit. Russia also began with the assembly of French vehicles and in the tank. and in the aviation fields.

[sabakina]

Do not confuse a finger with the sky. Then aircraft construction and tank building only began. We managed to buy Christie, on the basis of which we developed our school. Just like in aircraft manufacturing. Learn student.

[venik]

Quote: xetai9977

Russia also began with the assembly of French vehicles and in the tank. and in the aviation fields.

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Well yes! Especially in aviation .... "Russian Knight", "Ilya Muromets" .... Well, TYPICAL FRENCH cars !!! ........

[xetai9977]

Russian Knight, Ilya Muromets.
Well yes! "Newpory", "Farmany" - primordially Russian cars . By the way, the creator of "Ilya Muromets" Sikorsky for some reason preferred to work abroad, rather than pull the strap on his homeland. Apparently he escaped from a good life.

[Barshchik-M]

Quote: xetai9977

Russian Knight, Ilya Muromets.
Well yes! "Newpory", "Farmany" - primordially Russian cars . By the way, the creator of "Ilya Muromets" Sikorsky for some reason preferred to work abroad, rather than pull the strap on his homeland. Apparently he escaped from a good life.

Well then repeat all this? There is oil .. and the same money ... heh heh
Not every nation is given this weapon to create, but also the ability to fight!
Azerbaijan would have been silent for a long time and would not have disgraced heh heh .. (I do not want to offend ..)))

[Skifotavr]

Quote: xetai9977

By the way, the creator of "Ilya Muromets" Sikorsky for some reason preferred to work abroad, rather than pull the strap on his homeland. Apparently he escaped from a good life.

Yeah, he blasphemed - he should have been better off running to wonderful Azerbaijan and helping Aborigines copulate with donkeys there.

[avt]

Quote: xetai9977

Russia also began with the assembly of French vehicles and in the tank. and in the aviation fields.

Well, something like that

Quote: sabakina

Do not confuse a finger with the sky.

They did not create either tank building or aviation SCHOOLS. And without them it’s impossible to create your own model really. For the time being, the Turks are replicating the stranger under their own brand. It’s not even a “lego” of components. Assembling customized parts supplied.

[Jedi]

They want to do - let them do it, Allah will help them. Maybe the Turks will have a better helicopter than the Indians’s tank.

[Mamka pula]

Turkey is ready to create its own helicopter

Wow!
Just ripe?
Well, power

[Herculesic]

So, over time, the Turks will also become competitors to us, they should not be underestimated, they will create a spinner in cooperation with someone to start, and then they will! By the way, they can be helped greatly by ukrointsy-engines for starters.

[venik]

Quote: Herkulesich

By the way, they can be helped greatly by ukrointsy-engines for starters.

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Well, what else ???? Found the Air Force ("Great Helicopter Country" !!).

[marshes]

Well, now at prices, if it will be cheaper than the Mi-35 they will take it.
For the “budget” armies, the most is that. An expensive attack helicopter, Ansat-2 could occupy this niche, for military conflicts with low intensity, counter-guerrilla warfare.

[venik]

Quote: marshes

Not an expensive attack helicopter, Ansat-2 could occupy this niche for counter-guerrilla warfare with low intensity.

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Can not! At least in the near foreseeable future !! For one banal reason: There are Pratt & Whitney PW-207K engines (2 x 460 kW) !!! In Russia, this "standard size" is not produced !! And to develop with "0" ...... And to produce WHERE ?? "Klimovsk" capacities are loaded "to the eyeballs" VK-2500 ....

[marshes]

Quote: venik

Can not! At least in the near foreseeable future !! For one banal reason: There are Pratt & Whitney PW-207K engines (2 x 460 kW) !!! In Russia, this "standard size" is not produced !! And to develop with "0" ...... And to produce WHERE ?? "Klimovsk" capacities are loaded "to the eyeballs" VK-2500 ....

That's a shame.
By the way, the EU-145,645 is being assembled in Astana. In the United States, this is a replacement for Kayova, a light reconnaissance and attack helicopter, the UH-72 Lakota. Nearly 50 are already there.
And so there is interest in light attack helicopters.
I saw the work of Kayova, doc. Film, in Afghanistan, that's something. But the flight hour is cheaper than the Mi-8/17, in the Terminator version.

[Going]

To date, TAI is already producing attack helicopters T129 for the Turkish army (the car is a licensed copy of the AW129 Italian helicopter Mangusta, developed in 80-e).

Many start with licensed production and begin to do their projects.

[Monarchist]

Quote: sabakina

Got it. I went from the official focus to put the motor on a personal Zaporozhets!

But seriously, men put engines from the refrigerator to the "humpbacked" one. In my homeland there is one man, from a broken ZIL130 motor pinned to ZIM, inside he pranked and spat on all “Muscovites” and “fungi” (early seventies)

[ukoft]

their tanks, their helicopters now. maybe not all the components do at home. So all the components at home are only Russia and China are trying to do. the rest are looking for where better.
This of course has its drawbacks, such as diesel engines for MTU tanks.
but there are pluses. they choose from the best. they are not going to fight against the whole world, a regional power, so why not take the best?
it seems like they wanted to cut their own plane, but they will not be pulled. it’s not such a big country and economy. something like flu can no longer be combined.

[not main]

san4es,

Quote: san4es

Quote: non-primary

Well, where did you see the resemblance? !

... purely external forms (in profile)

Even externally, the layout of the cab, the location of the engines, which means the entire transmission! Once again, nothing in common, except for a single-screw circuit!

[Zaurbek]

The most difficult thing in a helicopter is transmission and engines. This is a separate production from the assembly of the helicopter and there are not so many players in this market - Americans, Europe, the Russian Federation (Ukraine - engines), China ... Nobody will transfer the license for this. And the most interesting thing is that they do not overlap in terms of capacity and productivity ... Accordingly, the choice of supplier depends on the size of the helicopter.

[gridasov]

Such news should force the country's leaders to search even more diligently for people and developers of innovative projects. which will allow a country like Russia to be one step ahead of everyone. Otherwise, it will be difficult to defend their identity in the global confrontation between countries and politicians and culture and everything, everything that sets us apart as Slavs.

[FLOOD]

Quote: Skifotavr

Quote: xetai9977

By the way, the creator of "Ilya Muromets" Sikorsky for some reason preferred to work abroad, rather than pull the strap on his homeland. Apparently he escaped from a good life.

Yeah, he blasphemed - he should have been better off running to wonderful Azerbaijan and helping Aborigines copulate with donkeys there.

not an option .. if he helped the local natives here copulate with donkeys, then all sorts of Skifotavs would be born, and then their herbs, shoot, etc.