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Media: Russia can answer the United States at the exit from the INF Treaty with the Courier missile

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Russia has an instant and mirror response to a possible US withdrawal from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF) - the resumption of production of the modernized Courier missile, a source in the rocket and space industry said. We are talking about a mobile soil rocket complex with a compact solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).


The source said that Russia's response could be the compact solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic 15G59 “Courier” developed by the USSR (according to NATO classification - SS-X-26). Its length was only 11,2 meters, weight - 15 tons. The developers also managed to provide intercontinental range and a very fast launch to a rocket with such a small starting mass. And this task was considered almost impossible. Prior to 1991, several successful missile launches were carried out, but as a result of agreements with the United States, the project was curtailed, reports Military Industrial Courier.

Media: Russia can answer the United States at the exit from the INF Treaty with the Courier missile


The development of the Courier missile system (according to the NATO classification - SS-X-26) began on 21 June 1983 at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Physics. To this step, the military pushed the realization of the fact that large-sized self-propelled launchers can not be hidden from US space and optical radar reconnaissance equipment. Initially, a launcher was designed for the complex on the MAZ-7909 four-axle chassis and then on the five-axle chassis.

According to the source, the use of "Courier" is characterized by the multiplicity of basing, and it can threaten the United States from the spaces of the Russian North. “Courier” can be placed on any suitable sites of the Arctic islands and even be on any wintering of Russian polar explorers.

If the Americans take the first step, they will reap what they have sown. They will receive the operation "Anadyr" in a modern format
- summed up the source, recalling the operation to transfer to Cuba during the Caribbean crisis of Russian medium-range ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.

In October, it was reported that experts from the American Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) proposed the Pentagon to deploy dual-purpose missile systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads in Poland. In Russia, this is considered a gross violation of the INF.

October 19 President Vladimir Putin said that if the United States withdraws from the treaty, Russia will respond instantly and mirror.
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  1. The black
    The black 3 November 2017 05: 58 New
    50
    "Courier" - home delivery. Fast and accurate. 100% Guaranteed smile
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 November 2017 06: 14 New
      12
      "Russian Post" on a war footing! .. "Couriers" will arrive on time. The heads of this department can be delivered along with the "mail"!
      Quote: Black
      "Courier" - home delivery. Fast and accurate. 100% Guaranteed smile
      1. insular
        insular 3 November 2017 06: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        "Russian Post" on a military track !! ..

        I hope this is a joke.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 3 November 2017 06: 20 New
          12
          I forgot to leave an emoticon .. "The branch of hell" will not work of course for a serious purpose .. Torn along the road, or not delivered there at all.
          Quote: insular
          Quote: 210ox
          "Russian Post" on a military track !! ..

          I hope this is a joke.
          1. Cutter
            Cutter 3 November 2017 06: 42 New
            19
            however, as a result of agreements with the United States, the project was curtailed

            They didn’t think about the bad, of course, but was it possible to agree with the bastard ...
            If the Americans take the first step, they will reap what they have sown. They will receive the operation "Anadyr" in a modern format

            So maybe they need to carry out a similar operation under his nose, so that these "unfinished" are "CLEARED". soldier
            1. Logall
              Logall 3 November 2017 07: 20 New
              13
              Quote: Cutter
              to "SURROUND"

              What would `` eat ate '', directly hooked on a fish diet!
              In order to forever lose the illusion of “exceptional” impunity ...
              Namesake hi
              1. dik-nsk
                dik-nsk 3 November 2017 07: 45 New
                +7
                VO is delaying something, I read this accordion a week ago, skepticism provokes a "source in the space and rocket industry", Putin announced the instant answer on the 19th, the article appeared immediately .. but in fact, the "instant" answer will not last one year, to reanimate a frozen project 16 years ago this is not for you
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN 3 November 2017 09: 23 New
                  +7
                  Quote: dik-nsk
                  to revive a frozen project 16 years ago this is not for you

                  I don’t think that, in my opinion, after the exodus of the traitors Gorboeltsins from the borders of Russia, the project of this category was in the gutonos to be introduced into production, because normal people understood that to trust partners, do not respect yourself ... request
                  1. Vladimir16
                    Vladimir16 3 November 2017 09: 50 New
                    +7
                    Quote: dik-nsk
                    but in fact, the "instant" answer will last not a single year,

                    Who told you that Putin spoke about this rocket? Are you sure you know what Putin was talking about?
                    Yes, you have no price laughing You read Putin’s thoughts !!! winked
                    Wait for an invitation from the west. With such knowledge you will be at all gold lol
                    Urgently draw up a dough development plan wassat
                    1. dik-nsk
                      dik-nsk 7 November 2017 04: 55 New
                      -2
                      well, if you turn on the brain and vision, and not "petrosyany", then you can see in the article
                      On October 19, President Vladimir Putin said that if the US withdraws from the treaty, Russia will respond instantly and mirror
                      , that is, this author of the article, referring to the mythical "source", pulled the rocket to Putin’s statement .. but of course, it’s easier to place emoticons than to think wink
                2. Xwazilb
                  Xwazilb 4 November 2017 13: 20 New
                  +1
                  did you want to say 26 years ago?
              2. Jedi
                Jedi 3 November 2017 07: 56 New
                +9
                Hi Sasha! hi Exclusivity syndrome is well treated by dipping a muzzle into a bucket. soldier
                1. NIKNN
                  NIKNN 3 November 2017 09: 56 New
                  11
                  Quote: Jedi
                  Exclusivity syndrome is well treated by dipping a muzzle into a bucket.

                  Do not treat idiots
                  Dad brings a moron son to the sea, brought him to the beach and explains:
                  P: You see, son, this is the sea ..
                  S: (stupidly) Where?
                  P: Well, this splashing is the sea ...
                  S: (still stupid) Where?
                  P: (inflamed) Well, we are sitting on such yellow is sand, and there it is
                  blue is the sea ..
                  S: ... where?
                  P: (furious) What you don’t understand, this is dry, yellow is
                  sand, and then it’s blue, splashing, wet-THIS SEA !!!
                  S: (stupidly) Where?
                  Dad’s nerves can’t stand it, he grabs his son in extreme rage,
                  and dunkes his head into the water with a cry "Here is the sea !!! Here it is !!! Here
                  this is the Sea!! Here! "The son is choking, somehow escaping and with difficulty
                  breathing asks
                  -Dad, what was that?
                  -Sea,% * "!!!
                  -WHERE?
                  1. Jedi
                    Jedi 3 November 2017 09: 59 New
                    +6
                    hi Maybe so. And if you try to dunk and at the same time write delicious savory pendels? lol
                    1. NIKNN
                      NIKNN 3 November 2017 10: 02 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Jedi
                      hi Maybe so. And if you try to dunk and at the same time write delicious savory pendels? lol

                      Of course you can try ... There is a clinic, everything is complicated, although the diagnosis seems to be in plain sight, by cutting off the problem, and it would be very nice to isolate in a madhouse ... hi
                      1. Jedi
                        Jedi 3 November 2017 10: 09 New
                        +6
                        Quote: NIKNN
                        would isolate in a madhouse ...

                        The most! Only a loony bin should be with towers in the corners, a PCB and orderlies with dogs and machine guns. soldier
                  2. LSA57
                    LSA57 3 November 2017 11: 25 New
                    +6
                    Quote: NIKNN
                    he is choking, somehow escaping and with difficulty
                    breathing asks
                    -Dad, what was that?
                    -Sea,% * "!!!
                    -WHERE?

                    it seems to me that the mathematical sign "infinity" is appropriate here laughing
                    1. NIKNN
                      NIKNN 3 November 2017 11: 26 New
                      +3
                      Quote: LSA57
                      it seems to me that the mathematical sign "infinity" is appropriate here

                      Totally agree laughing
                2. LSA57
                  LSA57 3 November 2017 11: 23 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Jedi
                  Exclusivity syndrome is well treated by dipping a muzzle into a bucket.

                  documented. there was a businessman Poroshenko, contacted the "exceptional", became parashkin
              3. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 3 November 2017 10: 33 New
                +9
                however, as a result of agreements with the United States, the project was curtailed

                the project is quite powerful and effective, if striped it was one of the first to cover with Humpback ....
                Information on the performance characteristics is very stingy, so there are strong trump cards in Russia ....
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 3 November 2017 11: 26 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Solomon Kane
                  Information on TTX is very stingy,

                  and mattress sometimes just a hint
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 3 November 2017 11: 20 New
              +6
              Quote: Cutter
              but how could you agree with the bastard ...

              Duc, after all, they proved to us that this is a lamp, our lighthouse in the bright future
              Quote: Cutter
              however, as a result of agreements with the United States, the project was curtailed

              They didn’t think about the bad, of course, but was it possible to agree with the bastard ...
              If the Americans take the first step, they will reap what they have sown. They will receive the operation "Anadyr" in a modern format

              So maybe they need to carry out a similar operation under his nose, so that these "unfinished" are "CLEARED". soldier

              Yes, something tells me that everything is ready.% commercials for 99. therefore, such information leaked
        2. mole
          mole 3 November 2017 19: 15 New
          0
          Quote: insular
          Quote: 210ox
          "Russian Post" on a military track !! ..

          I hope this is a joke.

          "Russian Post" - should essentially be the State. monopoly.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 3 November 2017 11: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        Couriers will arrive on time.

        possible without prepayment
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 3 November 2017 07: 48 New
      +3
      Its length was only 11,2 meters, weight - 15 tons.

      Well this will fit in a standard 12-meter container ....
      1. urman
        urman 3 November 2017 08: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: DanSabaka
        Its length was only 11,2 meters, weight - 15 tons.
        Well this will fit in a standard 12-meter container ....

        The standard (and permitted) mass of the cargo, the main truck, with a refrigerator, a curtain or a container of 20 tons.
        The total length of the road train is 17-18 meters,
        Oh, how many road trains can you run from Vladivostok to Smolensk.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 3 November 2017 08: 26 New
          0
          Why do we need a secret, I don’t understand .. He showed a couple of missiles and a couple of charges, and the Americans have already gone awry, but why shouldn’t we show, how many warheads we have in the ranks and a half thousand, and how many carriers? Why hide your power then. .?
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 3 November 2017 09: 19 New
            0
            I agree .... these are not the complexes that need to be shy .... but, here, their location must be hidden ....
        2. DanSabaka
          DanSabaka 3 November 2017 09: 17 New
          0
          and not only the road train .... railway and container shipping ....
        3. dvina71
          dvina71 3 November 2017 09: 42 New
          0
          Quote: urman
          The standard (and permitted) mass of the cargo, the main truck, with a refrigerator, a curtain or a container of 20 tons.

          Nea .. permitted mass of the tractor with a trailer trailer 40 (5 axles) 45 (6 axles)
          1. urman
            urman 3 November 2017 10: 08 New
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            Nea .. permitted mass of the tractor

            I meant the mass of the transported cargo, 20 tons.
            Everything else is the mass of the tractor itself and the trailer.
            The load on the drive axle is 10 tons, the three axles of the trailer are 6 each.
            Plus, in my opinion, an error of up to 200 tons is allowed.
            Well, it’s better to ship less, especially if you go through Tatarstan, there is lawlessness, the transporters arrange it. Manage to weigh so that the empty machine is overloaded.
    3. Govorun
      Govorun 3 November 2017 09: 35 New
      0
      Forgot about the motto "We work without delay" ...
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 3 November 2017 10: 02 New
        +1
        Yeah, all these tons, yes, on these axes, and on a wintering trip with polar explorers? The ice floe will not drown? hi
        Why do we have different types when preparing Sarmat? It is both easier to protect and maintain. And a liquid rocket takes off faster than a solid rocket. And how much is needed for the “Courier” of one guard? hi
    4. BecmepH
      BecmepH 3 November 2017 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Black
      "Courier" - home delivery. Fast and accurate. 100% Guaranteed smile

      I was always surprised by the names of samples of military equipment. In what head did such names originate? But here it is ...
    5. Maz
      Maz 3 November 2017 12: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Black
      "Courier" - home delivery. Fast and accurate. 100% Guaranteed smile

      That’s why Cuba and I actively began a dialogue. And if this courier is sent to Cuba ?! Oh, not evening, oh not a fan!
    6. volot-voin
      volot-voin 27 September 2018 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Black
      Courier "- home delivery. Fast and accurate. 100% Guaranteed

      Do not send us a “Courier” to partners, so to speak)))
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 3 November 2017 05: 59 New
    +3
    Well, do that rocket, and don’t shout what you can! !! Just start the production of such missiles under the heading "secret"!
    1. Shurale
      Shurale 3 November 2017 06: 04 New
      +9
      This is a violation of the treaty, and Russia now plays the role of an “honest” player in international relations, for which America openly despises it, as Russia refuses many effective mechanisms.
      1. alma
        alma 3 November 2017 07: 13 New
        0
        This is a violation of the contract, and Russia now plays the role of "honest"

        What kind of contract? Ban RSMD? Well, the Courier is an ICBM in range. If you are talking about the MGM-134 Midgetman, then the United States will be in the role of catching up in the development of PGRK. It is unlikely that they will go for it, having a powerful underwater component of the strategic nuclear forces.
        1. alma
          alma 3 November 2017 07: 41 New
          +1
          And if PGRK appears in the USA, then this will be a violation of START-3 due to excess quantities. They are already violators, and we can mirror the group. Again, the United States is smaller; PGRK is more vulnerable.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 November 2017 06: 07 New
      +4
      "courier", similar to "midgetman" (also not accepted for service)
      Country United States of America USA
      Midgetman Family
      ICBM designation
      Developer Martin Marietta
      Main characteristics
      Number of steps 3
      Xnumx length m
      Diameter 1,17 m
      Starting weight 13,60 t
      Type of fuel solid mixed
      Maximum range 11 km
      Head Type Monoblock, Mark 21
      Number of warheads 1
      Charge power W87-1 475 ct
      Base method mine, mobile
      Launch history
      Inactive Status
      Adopted -
      MGM-134A is a small-sized intercontinental ballistic missile developed in the USA in response to the deployment of the RT-23 and RT-2PM mobile systems in the USSR. The only American mobile-based ICBM not adopted
      .https: //dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1270772
    3. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 3 November 2017 06: 22 New
      +8
      Well, do that rocket, and don’t shout what you can! !! Just start the production of such missiles under the heading "secret"!

      So maybe they do, who will be distributed to you in the media. And under the neck they all go, and moreover, "owls secret."
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 3 November 2017 06: 51 New
        0
        Gennady hi drinks I also hope that they will do it! !! hi
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 3 November 2017 06: 59 New
          +2
          hi , and where to go when you are running out on all sides.
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 3 November 2017 07: 30 New
            +5
            Quote: Herkulesich
            I also hope that they will do it!
            Quote: rotmistr60
            and where to go when you are running out on all sides.

            As an English politician said after the war: “If you put a lot of pressure on the Russians, then tanks and planes will climb out of them!”
            Hello colleagues! drinks
      2. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 3 November 2017 07: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: rotmistr60
        And under the neck they all go, and moreover, "owls secret."

        This category of information is labeled "Special Importance."
    4. ver_
      ver_ 3 November 2017 07: 04 New
      +1
      ..It’s easier in any creek or to drive the rivulet along the axis and it will be legal, but to any barge ...
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 3 November 2017 09: 39 New
        +2
        "Small-sized solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)" - sounds like a song! laughing
        1. Dorren
          Dorren 3 November 2017 11: 36 New
          +1
          I thought about the same thing - poetry, itch! )))
      2. Izotovp
        Izotovp 4 November 2017 00: 14 New
        0
        Will a river or lake be considered either land or sea based? bully
  3. insular
    insular 3 November 2017 06: 10 New
    +1
    experts at the American Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) suggested the Pentagon deploy dual-use missile systems in Poland

    Well, that’s where it begins, what the realists have long been talking about and what optimists laughed and troll against - About the real function of the American missile defense.
    The world is sliding towards its end.
  4. Sars
    Sars 3 November 2017 06: 23 New
    +5
    Courier is not a violation of the INF Treaty, but an OSV - a missile, then a strategic one.
    It is necessary to do it, but it is necessary to violate the INF Treaty by deploying shorter-range missiles in Cuba, Nicaragua, Yarsov, for example, with a reduced (by Iranian technology) flight range.
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 3 November 2017 06: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: SarS
      Courier is not a violation of the INF Treaty, but an OSV - a missile, then a strategic one.
      It is necessary to do it, but it is necessary to violate the INF Treaty by deploying shorter-range missiles in Cuba, Nicaragua, Yarsov, for example, with a reduced (by Iranian technology) flight range.

      What caused the Caribbean crisis? The deployment of US missiles in Turkey and the timely response of the USSR. And today, the United States already has dual-use launchers in eastern Europe.
      Without adequate opposition, they will push and push. Persistent guys. Kind words do not understand at all, only a revolver attached to one of their places.
    2. Moore
      Moore 3 November 2017 07: 02 New
      0
      Quote: SarS
      It is necessary to violate the INF Treaty by deploying shorter-range missiles in Cuba and Nicaragua, Yarsov, for example, with a reduced (by Iranian technology) flight range.

      Could you reveal - what do you mean by a decrease in the yars range using Iranian technology?
      1. Sars
        Sars 3 November 2017 07: 10 New
        0
        Fuel less to load.
        1. insular
          insular 3 November 2017 07: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: SarS
          Fuel less to load.

          Those. build intercontinental missiles and save on matchsticks (fuel)?
        2. Moore
          Moore 3 November 2017 08: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: SarS
          Fuel less to load.

          Can you imagine how the fuel is “loaded” into the turbojet engine? It is poured there in a mathematically calculated form - for burning with constant intensity, which is achieved by preserving the burning area over the entire area of ​​the solid propellant rocket engine.
          The idea to wind the shells of the size of Yars, but to "load" a smaller charge there is complete nonsense.
          1. Sars
            Sars 3 November 2017 09: 03 New
            0
            Humor must be understood!
            Yars can be deployed tomorrow, and medium-range missiles need to be designed, tested, and production established.
            1. Sars
              Sars 3 November 2017 09: 04 New
              +1
              It is clear that Yars can be left in Siberia, but in Cuba there will be a completely different effect - Americans will choke on tantrums.
            2. Moore
              Moore 3 November 2017 09: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: SarS
              Humor must be understood!

              Yeah, start laughing at the word "shovel." If the very idea of ​​putting Yarsa in Cuba is humor, then, of course, gee, it’s very funny.
    3. insular
      insular 3 November 2017 07: 11 New
      0
      Quote: SarS
      Yars, for example, with a reduced (by Iranian technology) flight range.

      Does Iran have technology to reduce Yars range?
      1. Sars
        Sars 3 November 2017 09: 06 New
        0
        "Iranian technology" is that they stated that their missiles no longer fly further than 2000 km, although they could afford it before.
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 3 November 2017 06: 28 New
    +6
    Quote: insular
    experts at the American Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA) suggested the Pentagon deploy dual-use missile systems in Poland

    Well, that’s where it begins, what the realists have long been talking about and what optimists laughed and troll against - About the real function of the American missile defense.
    The world is sliding towards its end.

    The world is slipping into a new arms race, and nuclear parity is just protecting it from the END! Developed in the USSR!
    1. insular
      insular 3 November 2017 07: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Evrodav
      The world is sliding into a new arms race

      The arms race did not end, it was we who almost stopped on the floor of the road due to understandable events, but other “racers” did not even think to stop.
      If the arms race ceased, there would be neither a missile defense system in Europe, nor the emergence of new generations of all kinds of weapons, especially strategic ones. And not in vain, the Supreme announced the imposition and liquidation of the LAG.
      It’s in vain that you are listening to optimists talking about neither a cold nor a war, and not an arms race.
      Quote: Evrodav
      nuclear parity just protects it from the END!
      Optimistic ... It is a pity that it is not true. Be realistic. What they write about in the article is the Caribbean crisis. Which is called a crisis for a reason.
  6. DPN
    DPN 3 November 2017 07: 06 New
    0
    I didn’t understand that capitalist Russia had nothing to answer with SOSTOSTAT, since we are asking for junk, the USSR has not been there for 30 years, maybe LAPTI recalls good shoes.
    1. insular
      insular 3 November 2017 07: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: DPN
      since we are turning to junk, the USSR has not been around for 30 years, maybe LAPTI recalls good shoes.

      At such moments, I understand that human stupidity is borderline.
      If hegemonic America does not disdain the use of hegemonic bast rockets, then capitalist Russia has nothing to hesitate to use already tested weapons, much more recent than that of an incredible enemy. What does it mean right away, and not after years inventing a bicycle scepter.
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 3 November 2017 07: 30 New
    0
    It is good that we have left such a backlog. The question is how quickly we can build up the required number of such systems. The deployment of missile defense in Europe is already a reality, it already is. It remains only to charge the rockets. I would like to believe that the necessary numbering plants are already working in this direction.
  8. Observer2014
    Observer2014 3 November 2017 07: 53 New
    +2
    Media: Russia can to respond to the US exit from the INF Treaty with the Courier missile
    This is all yesterday. There will be no “Courier.” There will be something completely different.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 3 November 2017 09: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      There will be no Courier. There will be something completely different.

      Not really. Will be heavily modified Courier. If the design is mainly calculated (of which I have no doubt), then the dopilka is not the biggest problem. Here materials - this is a completely different calico. If you change - you have to recount a lot.
  9. corporal
    corporal 3 November 2017 08: 00 New
    0
    Russia has an instant and mirror response

    Oh well...
    Status: USSR / Russia - throw tests of models, tests are not completed, development discontinued.

    - 2011 October - 2012 December - carrying out the works “Liquidation of solid propellant rocket engines and ICBM charges of the Courier, Speed, Topol-M and Bark SLBM missile systems. Engines and charges to be eliminated were located at the Soyuz Federal Center for Dual Technologies (Dzerzhinsky, Moscow Oblast).
    Taken from http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-442.html
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 November 2017 09: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Corporal
      - 2011 October - 2012 December - carrying out the work “Liquidation of solid propellant rocket engines and ICBM charges of the Courier, Speed, Topol-M and Bark SLBM missile systems


      Well, the fact that the engines, which had lain for 10 years in storage, were burned still does not mean anything.
      PS What talented people came up with the names of the systems.
  10. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 3 November 2017 08: 49 New
    +1
    The US withdrawal from the INF Treaty has actually already taken place, so Russia should exit START and start riveting massive cheap ICBMs equipped with a single-warhead warhead. Such a missile will be much cheaper than the Topol missile due to its lower material consumption and simplified missile defense capabilities. I have long expected a similar response from Russia. If one Courier costs as much as a pair of T-14 tanks, then it is much more profitable to make ICBMs. For each enemy anti-missile, there must be one of our small-sized ICBMs!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2017 09: 18 New
      +2
      "Simplified missile defense capabilities." With such simplified means of overcoming - the missile defense system will not overcome the missile defense system.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 3 November 2017 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      The US withdrawal from the INF Treaty has actually already taken place, therefore Russia should step out of START and start riveting massive cheap ICBMsequipped with one-piece warhead.

      And to distribute to everyone who needs it, let the whole world drown in a nuclear dermis, disco will be what you need ..... fellow
    3. ROM1077
      ROM1077 3 November 2017 09: 48 New
      0
      which pair of tanks? billions are needed for the project and where to get them?
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 3 November 2017 09: 17 New
    0
    This is the only way to keep mattresses on a short leash, or in a muzzle if you want .... when they know they are guaranteed to get snot, moreover, so that they may not come to their senses ...... then there comes "mutual understanding and cooperation" ........
  12. win9090
    win9090 3 November 2017 09: 19 New
    +2
    More likely to introduce new taxes on the air and introduce even more bans for mere mortals

    Well, on TV they will say which USA is threshing, and the Russian Federation is a great power and ask for money to treat children of the Russian Federation in the USA)).
    And not "Courier"
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 3 November 2017 09: 34 New
    +2
    For us, this is still a losing option. Americans will be able to deploy thousands of their INF missiles in Europe and strike from there. And we have only Intercontinental BRs left for an answer to retaliate against them.
    There is no base in Cuba right now. The maximum that he can answer - with the same blow to Europe - but it doesn’t bother Amers - the main thing for them is their own security.
  14. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 3 November 2017 09: 39 New
    0
    "Courier" cannot violate a contract with a range of over 5000 km
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 November 2017 19: 46 New
      +1
      It has a range of up to 5500 kilometers, and the range can be from 500 kilometers.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 3 November 2017 09: 43 New
    +3
    The nuclear apocalypse is now guaranteed. just press the appropriate button.
    A “courier” or something to replace it makes this process faster (flight time less) ...
    Oil, instead of guns, of course does not work out, they will make a reserve for the future ... the design idea, in terms of the complete and final destruction of humanity, also does not stand still ...
    All this is sad.
  16. ROM1077
    ROM1077 3 November 2017 09: 46 New
    0
    it is necessary to launch it in a series of billions, but where does the country get such money from now?
  17. weksha50
    weksha50 3 November 2017 09: 49 New
    +1
    It is high time to restore the Strategic Missile Forces to its former state when they consisted of two types - ICBMs (ICBMs) and RSD ...
    In the 70-80s, the whole of Europe was under our guns ...
    And now - insolent ...
    And such an opportunity of “Courier”, how to get not only Europe, but also the USA from the Arctic (from the North of Russia) is generally wonderful !!!
    Hello America !!! I (Courier) - from Russia !!! hi yes
  18. san4es
    san4es 3 November 2017 10: 02 New
    +2

    Rocket 15Zh59 "Courier"
    Design - 3 steps, instrument compartment combat stage, head fairing. The engine casings of the marching stages are made of organoplastics by winding of the Cocoon type; new types of high-strength and high-modulus composite materials are widely used in the rocket design. The head fairing is reset after the end of the 2nd stage of the rocket.
    Engines - on all march stages of solid propellant rocket engines on a new generation of high-density mixed fuel (possibly START). The engines are made of cocoon type.
    The stage of breeding combat units is a propulsion system with a high level of mass excellence. The warhead is likely equipped with a spin solid-propellant rotor.
    TTX missiles: Length - 11.2 m
    Case Diameter - 1.36 m
    Starting weight:
    - about 15000 kg (initial stage of the project)
    - about 17000 kg (final version of the project)
    Thrown weight - 500 kg
    Range - 10000-11000 km
    QUO - no more than 350 m
    Operating temperature - from -40 to + 50 degrees C
    Start-up wind speed - up to 25 m / s
    Types of warheads: nuclear monoblock power 100-150 ct, possibly with a range of missile defense capabilities (PCB).

  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 3 November 2017 10: 22 New
    +1
    Oh, and I used to take part in the liquidation of Pioneer under the INF Treaty signed by Gorbachev in Kapustin Yar. For us it was the end of the country. Americans rummaged through all the nooks and crannies of the landfill as at home.
  20. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 10: 32 New
    12
    Article About nothing. Or rather from the series BULLSHIT

    Can I find out what the author wanted to say by writing this crap?
    Russia has an instant and mirror response to a possible US withdrawal from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF) - the resumption of production of the modernized Courier missile, a source in the rocket and space industry said. We are talking about a mobile soil rocket complex with a compact solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

    How do you start production, albeit small-sized, but INTERCONTINENTAL missiles can be a mirror and instant response to the Americans withdrawing from the INF Treaty ???? Has the author already beguiled the shores? Well, if I still understood, write that in response to the exit, Russia would start production of the complex "Speed", "Agate", "Baikal". At the worst end of the complex Elbrus-M. This can still be understood, but "Courier" .....

    The source said that Russia's response could be the compact solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic 15G59 “Courier” developed by the USSR (according to NATO classification - SS-X-26). Its length was only 11,2 meters, weight - 15 tons. The developers also managed to provide intercontinental range and a very fast launch to a rocket with such a small starting mass. And this task was considered almost impossible. Prior to 1991, several successful missile launches were carried out, but as a result of agreements with the United States, the project was curtailed, reports Military Industrial Courier.

    Yeah. Source. Anonymous. Also UNKNOWN. As in 1991, it was possible to carry out several missile launches, when only in the middle of 1991 the production of experimental launchers at the Volgograd PO Barrikada began with their delivery in the 1st quarter of 1992. LEEs were planned for 1992. The test with real launches was only once, EMNIP in August 1992 and even then with a first stage partially filled with fuel. In fact, it was a throw test combined with a missile control system test. This was the first and only test of the Courier at the Kapustin Yar training ground.

    The military was prompted by this realization of the fact that large-sized self-propelled launchers cannot be hidden from space optical and radar reconnaissance equipment of the United States. The launcher was originally designed for the complex on a four-axle chassis MAZ-7909, and then on a five-axis chassis.

    Poor and unfortunate "Poplar", "Poplar-M" and "Yars". It turns out that they cannot be hidden from the all-seeing gaze of American intelligence. And those who served and still serve them, in addition, read completely stupid literature with the conditional title "On the satellite environment"
    And because the Americans “introduced them into the impossible agreement” introduced an article where, moreover, the regiment could not be taken to field positions in full force (in order to know that it was always in the “Krones”, it was also forbidden for those who left to leave more than about 300 km from the RPM ....
    About the launcher. The four and five-axis launchers were no different from their launchers of the same “Poplar” except for their length. And if it was fixed, then recognize that this was the launcher for the Americans was like "two fingers on the asphalt." The essence of secrecy was that at the very initial stage it was planned in the Sovtransavto truck with the usually triaxial MAZ. But to achieve the necessary conditions, including and security failed

    According to the source, the use of "Courier" is characterized by the multiplicity of basing, and it can threaten the United States from the spaces of the Russian North. “Courier” can be placed on any suitable sites of the Arctic islands and even be on any wintering of Russian polar explorers.

    New "cartoon" of the author. Another "toy" for journalistic games. There was a “gauge” everywhere, including rafts, barges and carts. "Status", which unfortunately is not "Quo" - was also. "Iskander", down to the pontoons was. Now a new toy - "Courier" is called. And most importantly, as wrapped up "the use of multivariate basing." Can I ask "nah ... on the basis of multivariance"? The whole point of the complex was based in launchers disguised as numerous (in the number of thousands) of trucks on the roads. And on suitable sites of the Arctic islands and on any wintering camp for polar explorers it will be like "three poplars on Plyushchikha." Among the bare glade of the plain (or on an ice floe) the launcher “Courier” proudly roars (sorry), the author is actually depicting a fool on the head of this or just posing as a fool ???

    Okay, I would have understood if the author had written that among the instant and mirror response would be the deployment of new mobile systems based on the existing stages of the Yars missiles. There, at least it was clear that in reality a minimum number of tests would be required, because all steps have already been tested and varying steps, it would be possible to obtain an analog of the Pioneer complex using the first and second stages or an analog of the Speed ​​complex using, for example, 2 and 3 steps. But here the question would arise: where to make them?
    The Votkinsk plant produces about half to sixty solid-fuel rockets of all kinds a year. Start to do more and the ballistic missile defense will have to reduce the number of missiles that are now replacing the old Poplars. Reduce the number of missiles for the fleet. Put an end to the "Barguzin" and "Frontier". And it is possible that on the Iskander. For it will require the construction of at least one more assembly plant and the expansion of the production of all other components. Starting from control systems and ending with fuel charges

    Quote: SarS
    Courier is not a violation of the INF Treaty, but an OSV - a missile, then a strategic one.
    It is necessary to do it, but it is necessary to violate the INF Treaty by deploying shorter-range missiles in Cuba, Nicaragua, Yarsov, for example, with a reduced (by Iranian technology) flight range.

    "courier" does not violate any contracts. Unless somewhere in secret articles it is spelled out or spelled out that we cannot create more than one new one.
    The deployment of shorter-range missiles in Cuba is possible, of course, but
    In-1 whether they want (Cuba and Nicaragua) to have these missiles and get all this hemorrhoids.
    In-2that the deployment of shorter-range missiles (namely, with a range of 500-1000 km) will yield when deployed especially in Nicaragua, where the distance to the United States is at least 1100 km (to Key Ust). If you do not know, these are the islands south of Florida. They are very fond of showing in cinema - the road to the sea connects these islands. In other places, this distance is from 1500 to 2000 km. The missiles are uniquely medium range. Deployment of both of these breach of contract.
    IN 3. Iranian technology? Oh, are we already equal to the world's greatest missile power and its missile technology ?. You know, I’ll tell you in great secret how this can be done using Iranian technology. Only shhh. To nobody.
    First option and the only one of this Iranian technology in reducing the firing range, especially the intercontinental missile, is that this was reported without giving any evidence of these words. The original missile in its North Korean version had a range of 4000 km, but the Iranians said no, it was only 2000 km. And believe us ...
    Correctly. Flew for 2000 km. But reducing the distance in such cases is achieved solely by cutting off the engine. True, accuracy is lost, but the missile will not fly above the indicated range. But this, by and large, is not Iranian technology. Our "Topol-E" also flies for 2000 km, although according to TTZ it can fly for 10000 km. The American Trident did the same.

    The second option reduce the range of ICBMs - increase the mass of its warhead. And to make it not 1-ton, for example, but 10 or 15-ton. The calculation range will drop to the necessary. True, how this ugly creature will fly, sorry, no one knows the rocket. And hardly knows. This is not even a designer-designer

    Third Embodiment - change the number or weight and dimensions of the steps. But then it will not be Yars, but a completely new rocket that will violate the agreement
    1. Assyrian
      Assyrian 3 November 2017 11: 36 New
      +2
      "Now, if they explained so intelligibly to me at school" (film "72 meters")
      laughing laughing laughing
    2. IL-18
      IL-18 3 November 2017 11: 44 New
      +3
      Well done! +! You can no longer comment.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 3 November 2017 10: 39 New
    0
    very quickly, this is not Russian Post ...
  22. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 10: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: alma
    And if PGRK appears in the USA, then this will be a violation of START-3 due to excess quantities.

    Even if they reduce a certain number of ICBMs, SLBMs or bombers ?? They will remove, for example, 2 Trident from each boat, bringing their number to 18 - and this is 28 missiles. Each has 4 blocks. Monoblock deployed. And the limits will not exceed and they will receive a reserve of BG ...

    Quote: SarS
    It is clear that Yars can be left in Siberia, but in Cuba there will be a completely different effect - Americans will choke on tantrums.

    Yeah. Especially when you consider that when firing to the north (from Cuba), the minimum range of the rocket is such that it flies over the United States laughing

    Quote: san4es
    Rocket 15Zh59 "Courier"

    This is not a "Courier", but only a drawing, as it is presented on the website "MilitaryRussia". Even the appearance of this product is now under the stamp of the SS.OV ...
  23. Topotun
    Topotun 3 November 2017 11: 04 New
    +1
    * On October 19, President Vladimir Putin announced that if the US withdraws from the treaty, Russia will respond instantly and in a mirror. *
    As for instantly not sure. After all, the Courier project has been curtailed; production facilities have been reoriented to other products. Therefore, even to restore production will take time and not a little, and money is decent. One hope is that there are ready-made medium-range missiles for the Iskander.
  24. Sergey53
    Sergey53 3 November 2017 11: 04 New
    0
    Finally, a sensible, proactive, and really weighty response came out in the media. But we always look catching up and making excuses in this matter.
  25. Egorovich
    Egorovich 3 November 2017 11: 10 New
    +5
    There is a Russian proverb and it is in the subject: "Cheap and cheerful." Accept the gift, mattress.
  26. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 3 November 2017 11: 53 New
    +4
    Most importantly, the Russian Post would have nothing to do with sending these Couriers laughing
    And the fact that there is something to answer is good and right.
  27. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 12: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: CAT BAYUN
    Most importantly, the Russian Post would have nothing to do with sending these Couriers laughing
    And the fact that there is something to answer is good and right.

    These "couriers" are not in the near future and will not be. And maybe it won’t be at all, from the word ABSOLUTELY. Just the author decided to draw up his wet dreams in print. And over 80 posts of ecstasy. In the complete absence of any real hints on the resumption of work. Damn, let the "Boundary" bring to mind. Deployment is already 2 years late. So now for the "experts" is another toy - "Courier"
  28. dim7ka
    dim7ka 3 November 2017 12: 30 New
    +2
    It's funny to read these kvass comments ... about hundreds of new Couriers, yars in Cuba, etc.

    The Americans are sleeping and see how to drag us into a new arms race again. And then it will be wondering why is our gas more expensive than in Europe and what is this new tax belay on the air
    The economy and industry of Russia will not even pull half of the development of the USSR
  29. Icarus
    Icarus 3 November 2017 12: 35 New
    0
    Russia has an instant and mirror response

    It’s time to no longer answer, but to “beat first” if a fight is inevitable, and it is inevitable.
  30. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 13: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: Icarus
    Russia has an instant and mirror response

    It’s time to no longer answer, but to “beat first” if a fight is inevitable, and it is inevitable.

    Is it definitely inevitable? Have Donald and Vladimir already reported to you? Have you ever heard the expression that "a bad world is better than a good quarrel"? Or because of ambitions to show steepness and strike first are ready to sacrifice several tens of millions of human lives? After all, I frankly say to a damn thing that America will be a scorched desert when its own country is burned. Or "spite grandmother frostbitten ears" ???
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 3 November 2017 15: 03 New
      +2
      As for the inferiority, this is not a question for us, but judging by the buildup of NATO forces along the border and all the accompanying rhetoric of the countries bordering Russia, the war has already been paid. In such a way that it should be non-nuclear in Europe and at this eatpe. After all, if Europe begins to fight, what are Russia's claims to the USA? And if you think that there is peace and grandeur around Russia .... Perhaps I don’t notice much ....
    2. Icarus
      Icarus 3 November 2017 21: 36 New
      0
      Is it definitely inevitable? Have Donald and Vladimir already reported to you?

      Waiting for a report? Wait - naive.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 21: 56 New
        +7
        Quote: Icarus
        Is it definitely inevitable? Have Donald and Vladimir already reported to you?

        Waiting for a report? Wait - naive.

        Learn to read the whole text, not "selected fragments."
        And on the way, remember (or google if you don’t know the word) what sarcasm is.
        Writers, damn it ...
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 3 November 2017 22: 13 New
          0
          Smoke less than any nonsense. You just did not see sarcasm.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 22: 16 New
            +8
            Quote: Icarus
            Icarus

            Come on in ... I don’t serve, and on Fridays - especially laughing
  31. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 16: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: Topotun
    but judging by the buildup of NATO forces along the perimeter of the border and all the accompanying rhetoric of the countries bordering Russia, the war has already been paid. In such a way that it should be non-nuclear in Europe and at this eatpe. After all, if Europe begins to fight, what are Russia's claims to the USA? And if you think that there is peace and grandeur around Russia .... Perhaps I don’t notice much ....

    In any case, the war in Europe will develop into a nuclear one. Whoever said that. In terms of total potential, NATO is superior to the Russian Armed Forces. So ... It’s enough to just read the Military Doctrine of Russia. And the escalation of tension around the perimeter - it was always at the whole post-war stage, but it never ended in war. This has always been (periodically). But always on both sides it was smart enough not to cross this line. As for the paid war, one can rather predict some small war in the countries ON THE BORDERS of Russia than a war in Russia.
    Everyone understands that any non-nuclear conflict with Russia will in any case develop first into a nuclear war with tactical nuclear weapons and then strategic ones. And strike the same British from your boats - a blow will follow the United States. Since no one will think, the English are the Tridents who shoot from the North Sea or the American. And the Americans understand this very well.
    That will arrange a conflict in the south-east of Ukraine, so that Russia intervenes in the conflict - this can be assumed. But the fact that Russia will be attacked by armored parts of Poland or the Baltic countries and at the same time American armored parts is such an incredible event that it is unlikely to happen. The game on the nerves is and will be. but not more
    1. Icarus
      Icarus 3 November 2017 21: 32 New
      0
      Everyone understands that any non-nuclear conflict with Russia will in any case develop first into a nuclear war with tactical nuclear weapons and then strategic ones. And strike the same British from your boats - a blow will follow the United States. Since no one will think, the English are the Tridents who shoot from the North Sea or the American. And the Americans understand this very well.

      It is unlikely. It’s necessary to raise rates. A local blow to Tabaki (Jack Khan’s jackal in “Mowgli”), even if he is a NATO member, but a minor one (for example, the Balts), will not lead to a nuclear war. But the jackals will change their minds to pack. The policy of only responding with “reciprocal mirror measures” (at best) is a policy of defeat. We ourselves must formulate new conditions for the international hostel or formulate them for us. The UN has outlived itself, like the League of Nations before the Second World War. Passivity leads to failure.
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 3 November 2017 23: 35 New
        +1
        After such a "rate hike," Russia will be expelled altogether from everywhere. If due to “some kind of Ukraine” sanctions have been received, and - in fact - very serious, then everything will be much more effective here. Drop oil prices will once seem like a fairy tale
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 November 2017 22: 49 New
      0
      "And strike the same British from their boats -" ////

      As far as I read, the British can strike by the Trides only 1) by order from London and 2) with the permission of the Americans (special amer.ofitser on the Premier League). But the opposite is impossible: the Americans cannot give orders to the British without an order from London.
  32. Dark Lord
    Dark Lord 3 November 2017 18: 21 New
    0
    It would be nice if so, at least they will allocate more money to the defense industry, the plants will be loaded with orders and people will have work, but there is, however, in the form of lowering the state budget expenditures for other areas, for example, healthcare, to inflate the military budget given the low growth in industrial production and lower incomes mere mortals will lead to higher prices and the lack of indexation of pensions and salaries, can lead to higher taxes, this is not good. Damn America knows where to hit, first conclude contracts in the 90s that are beneficial to her. wait until the threatening weapon is destroyed then declare withdrawal from the treaties. So industry needs to be developed and there is enough money for everything, and not to drive raw materials over the hill.
  33. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2017 18: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: weksha50
    It is high time to restore the Strategic Missile Forces to its former state when they consisted of two types - ICBMs (ICBMs) and RSD ...
    In the 70-80s, the whole of Europe was under our guns ...
    And now - insolent ...
    And such an opportunity of “Courier”, how to get not only Europe, but also the USA from the Arctic (from the North of Russia) is generally wonderful !!!
    Hello America !!! I (Courier) - from Russia !!!

    Well, restore. What next? If in that life the American Pershing were in the 7 minutes of summer from the territory of West Germany, now new medium-range ballistic missiles (again, American) will no longer be in the western part of Germany, but in the eastern part of Estonia. And this is already 2-3 minutes of flight time to Leningrad and Moscow. On the eastern borders of Poland, In Romania (a little more time). Yes, in the same Ukraine. And we have? What can we oppose this? Get involved in yet another devastating arms race that we won’t win economically?
    Well, we will begin to work on the "Courier". The Americans will begin to work on the Midgetman. On START-3, you can put a bold cross. But here their "Dwarf", unlike our "Courier" has already flown. We will have to do everything from scratch. For what? What, "Yars" from Teykovo or Nizhny Tagil, Yoshkar-Ola and Vypolzovo will not reach the United States? Tell me, what is the sacred meaning of deploying these Courier launchers in the Arctic? To make it easier for Americans to find them on the vast expanses of the tundra or on the ice of the polar explorers, as someone suggested here? In the areas of deployment of the current PGRK they have where to hide, and where to hide the car in the tundra ????
    And what, will we launch a complex with a monoblock in Europe with an engine cut-off not even the third, or maybe the second stage? And with the deterioration of the CVO to the accuracy of "plus or minus bast shoes" on the map? Explain to me the meaning of all this?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 November 2017 00: 26 New
      +1
      In short, there is only one way out - the creation of ICBMs, with orbital warheads of a highly-elective flight path.
  34. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2017 10: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: ver_
    ..It’s easier in any creek or to drive the rivulet along the axis and it will be legal, but to any barge ...

    The most common misconception.

    Quote: Icarus
    Is it definitely inevitable? Have Donald and Vladimir already reported to you?

    Waiting for a report? Wait - naive.

    No. You are naive, you believe that everything. The war will be. These games have been going on for 70 years, and nothing happens beyond games and games on the nerves. Fortunately, all leaders are adequate in this regard, even such as Trump

    Quote: Icarus
    Everyone understands that any non-nuclear conflict with Russia will in any case develop first into a nuclear war with tactical nuclear weapons and then strategic ones. And strike the same British from your boats - a blow will follow the United States. Since no one will think, the English are the Tridents who shoot from the North Sea or the American. And the Americans understand this very well.

    It is unlikely. It’s necessary to raise rates. A local blow to Tabaki (Jack Khan’s jackal in “Mowgli”), even if he is a NATO member, but a minor one (for example, the Balts), will not lead to a nuclear war. But the jackals will change their minds to pack. The policy of only responding with “reciprocal mirror measures” (at best) is a policy of defeat. We ourselves must formulate new conditions for the international hostel or formulate them for us. The UN has outlived itself, like the League of Nations before the Second World War. Passivity leads to failure.

    You read the VD of Russia. Entertaining reading. And it says in black and white, in Russian that Russia will use nuclear weapons against a country that does not have one (or against a group of countries) if it considers that the conflict affects the country's existence and its sovereignty.
    Balts - this is not war. This is a border conflict and no one will fit into them. When the armed forces are smaller in number than one motorized rifle division with you, you will not fight. Conflict with NATO (serious, with the participation of major countries) will not be a priori. For our joint forces cannot withstand the blow of the joint NATO forces without the use of tactical nuclear weapons against NATO. And NATO is well aware of this. And the next round after the tactical is strategic. After that, little on the planet will not seem to anyone.

    A “mirror” response policy is needed about certain areas. In this case, in the field of medium-range missile weapons. It is disadvantageous for us to withdraw from the contract. In other cases, there is no mirror reaction. Especially passivity. Deployment of tactical-tactical complexes where we need is passivity? Re-equipment of the army with new systems - passivity. The UN has not yet outlived itself, although it may not be as effective as we would like. Decision-making mechanisms at the global level allow us to counter certain types of threats to us and our allies. And this already means that the system has not outlived itself, once it works

    Quote: voyaka uh
    "And strike the same British from their boats -" ////

    As far as I read, the British can strike by the Trides only 1) by order from London and 2) with the permission of the Americans (special amer.ofitser on the Premier League). But the opposite is impossible: the Americans cannot give orders to the British without an order from London.

    as far as I remember - the most common misconception. An American officer would be needed if the US Trident had US nuclear warheads. But they have English warheads. Such an officer would be needed in order to unlock nuclear weapons, no more. The British missiles were SOLD, that is, they have all rights to them. Yes, the United States conducts preventive work and control shootings are carried out at US combat training ranges, but from English boats.

    As for the possibility of application. Yes, only London can give an order. And in the case of the transience of the conflict, one boat can be shot and by no means a full ammunition with a full load of warheads. Exit 2 and 3 is provided for several days, boats No. 4 - for a month.

    Quote: Vadim237
    In short, there is only one way out - the creation of ICBMs, with orbital warheads of a highly-elective flight path.

    This way out will get a mirror move on the other hand. Do we need it?
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 4 November 2017 10: 36 New
      +1
      Vladimir, does the VD divide states into possessing or not possessing nuclear weapons? If I am not mistaken, there we are talking about weapons used in aggression against Russia. A response using nuclear weapons is possible if weapons of mass destruction are used against Russia or using conventional weapons, but when the very existence of the state is compromised.
      Conflict with NATO is entirely possible. For example, the Kaliningrad region. The alliance has enough conventional forces and means to conquer the enclave, but at the same time its loss does not pose a threat to the existence of Russia itself. And no one will dare to substitute Russia for a nuclear strike for the sake of Kaliningrad, there will be no nuclear weapons. A similar situation with the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
    2. Icarus
      Icarus 7 November 2017 16: 07 New
      0
      No. You are naive, you believe that everything. The war will be. These games have been going on for 70 years, and nothing happens beyond games and games on the nerves. Fortunately, all leaders are adequate in this regard, even such as Trump
      . If I thought that the war would be tomorrow, I would suggest attacking Washington today, and not the Baltics. Therefore, within the framework of the existing "games", it is necessary to be the first to make moves, and not just be limited to the "mirror response". Of course, there’s no urgent need to strike at the ballets, but, for example, on the part of our unilateral withdrawal (at least practically without announcement) from the INF Treaty, it is high time, since France already has these missiles in addition to the USA and in the UK.
      Decision-making mechanisms at the global level allow us to counter certain types of threats to us and our allies. And this already means that the system has not outlived itself, once it works
      . The fact of the matter is that the system laid down in the UN does not work not only to protect our allies (Syria, Serbia - aren't these examples?), But soon they will not give a damn about us. The beginning has been made - the arrest of the diplomatic property of Russia.
  35. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2017 11: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    Vladimir, does the VD divide states into possessing or not possessing nuclear weapons? If I am not mistaken, there we are talking about weapons used in aggression against Russia. A response using nuclear weapons is possible if weapons of mass destruction are used against Russia or using conventional weapons, but when the very existence of the state is compromised.
    Conflict with NATO is entirely possible. For example, the Kaliningrad region. The alliance has enough conventional forces and means to conquer the enclave, but at the same time its loss does not pose a threat to the existence of Russia itself. And no one will dare to substitute Russia for a nuclear strike for the sake of Kaliningrad, there will be no nuclear weapons. A similar situation with the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.

    Rudolf! Deadly for all the time, the Doctrine states that Russia will use nuclear weapons against states that do not even own them.
    The loss of the Kaliningrad region, of course, will not affect the existence of Russia, but I wrote that if aggression threatens the sovereignty of the country
    But I would not begin to predict that we would not react with tactical nuclear weapons to the losses of Kaliningrad, Kuril or Sakhalin. Here is a snatch to snatch, there. As a result, only a bite from Russia to the Urals and without the South can remain. No, nevertheless the best option is to make the enemy confident in one thing. Climbs - rakes with nuclear weapons. And with the development of the conflict on a global scale and by strategists. Cheaper and more reliable. If the Alliance knows that when they try to capture Warsaw and Berlin with London will turn into a pile of radioactive ruins, this will cool the head
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 4 November 2017 12: 18 New
      +1
      No, Vladimir, I do not agree. To hit TNWs on their own territory is the last. Will have to apply for areas of concentration of forces and means in adjacent territories, at least in Poland. That is a nuclear strike on a NATO member state. If you were the commander in chief, would you decide on this? At stake or a remote enclave or all of Russia. Me not. In any case, in this situation, then the VD should be rewritten, in the current version it will not allow it to be done.
      Regarding specifically Kaliningrad, I see the development of the situation somewhat differently. NATO will not start the conflict first. Too risky. In the next few years there will be an increase in forces and means in the region, the creation of a powerful fist, the development of military logistics. Further, the announcement of a transport blockade by Lithuania and Poland is possible. The blockade is complete, both land and air. Partially marine. All unaccompanied ships are subject to arrest. As the conflict situation develops, it is possible to set minefields in the water area. That is, a set of hostile actions, but without a declaration of war and outright aggression. What should we do in such a situation? Do not feed or warm the enclave alone. Watch how it bends or breaks through the so-called corridors? In fact, we ourselves will have to attack the alliance. The consequences are unpredictable. And it’s not a fact that Alexander Grigoryevich will give a green light to Suwalki through his territory. I doubt it very much.
  36. Sergey Rudov
    Sergey Rudov 4 November 2017 14: 15 New
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    The "instant" answer? And how many years will it take to restore the production of this system? It's not oven pies.
  37. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2017 22: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    No, Vladimir, I do not agree. To hit TNWs on their own territory is the last. Will have to apply for areas of concentration of forces and means in adjacent territories, at least in Poland. That is a nuclear strike on a NATO member state. If you were the commander in chief, would you decide on this? At stake or a remote enclave or all of Russia. Me not. In any case, in this situation, then the VD should be rewritten, in the current version it will not allow it to be done ..

    Rudolf! I do not propose in my own way. But the question is, and those who will lead the group in Poland are not guaranteed whether I will use nuclear weapons or not. But they should be guaranteed that an attempt to "bite" this enclave from us will lead to such consequences that it is better not to try. At least the "puppeteers" I hope they understand ....

    Quote: rudolff
    Regarding specifically Kaliningrad, I see the development of the situation somewhat differently. NATO will not start the conflict first. Too risky. In the next few years there will be an increase in forces and means in the region, the creation of a powerful fist, the development of military logistics. Further, the announcement of a transport blockade by Lithuania and Poland is possible. The blockade is complete, both land and air. Partially marine. All unaccompanied ships are subject to arrest ..

    Building - I agree, creating a fist - yes, really. A complete blockade is very unlikely. Any blockade is a declaration of war. The answer is quite predictable. The ultimatum is not the USA, but Europe. We have a crane. Especially in winter. And no American shale gas will help. Due to the fact that the volumes that are on the gas carrier are not unlimited. By the way, very many do not quite correctly interpret article 5 of the NATO charter. There will be no “Subscribe” automatism.

    Quote: rudolff
    As the conflict situation develops, it is possible to set minefields in the water area. That is, a set of hostile actions, but without a declaration of war and outright aggression. What should we do in such a situation? Do not feed or warm the enclave alone. Watch how it bends or breaks through the so-called corridors? In fact, we ourselves will have to attack the alliance. The consequences are unpredictable. And it’s not a fact that Alexander Grigoryevich will give a green light to Suwalki through his territory. I doubt it very much.

    And mining of the water area is not an act of aggression. Then we can say that the destruction of their “blocker” can be represented as a violation of our, for example, economic zone. Alexander Grigoryevich, of course, can do whatever he wants, but no more than what he will be allowed to do from Moscow. So, I think, besides playing on the nerves, it is unlikely that there will be

    Quote: Sergey Rudov
    The "instant" answer? And how many years will it take to restore the production of this system? It's not oven pies.

    A lot of
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 5 November 2017 11: 08 New
      +2
      "Any blockade is a declaration of war." Not at all. The ban on the transit of goods through its territory, as well as the closure of air corridors, is the sovereign right of the state. The move is definitely unfriendly, but not military at all. There are many examples in history. Remember how in the midst of the events in Kosovo and the throwing of our paratroopers to Pristina, we were blocked by all land and air transit so that we could not strengthen our group there. Well, although Turkey did not block the Bosphorus, the BDK helped out. In such cases, as in diplomatic practice, it is customary to respond symmetrically. You don’t have to go far for examples, Ukraine. They introduced restrictions on air transit, answered the same.
      Sea blockade is more difficult, but it is possible. You can, for example, under any sanctions. By the way, the Americans recently claimed their rights to search for ships heading to North Korea. Remember the story of the delivery of refurbished turntables to Syria, when we were forced to abandon freight and organize a “Syrian express”. Do you want to carry goods to the BDK or accompanied by ships of the Navy, but for God's sake! But do we ourselves have enough strength to provide a whole area with such reincarnation of PQ-17?
      I mentioned minefields only in connection with the development of the conflict. This is already a pre-war step.
      I agree with you that the presence of a threat of tactical nuclear weapons cools the ardor, but it seems that they are less and less afraid, and our responses are becoming more unintelligible. The Turks, generally, have forgotten that we are some kind of nuclear power there, we just shot down an airplane and that’s it. And they didn’t answer with anything but tomatoes. And even then, not for long. Friendship has grown into love, we don’t know what place to kiss yet.
      We will block gas to Western Europe only in the case of World War III, and they know this very well. Well, and if we block it, we will only make the Americans happy. Without oil and gas exports, our economy will come quickly.
      As for Alexander Grigoryevich, but did he ever do what they told him from Moscow? Always played his game and more often in spite of Moscow. The case when the tail wags the dog. Remember the war with Georgia. Immediately after the conflict, Saakashvili became his best friend. Until now, he has not recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, although he promised. Remember the Crimea and the Donbass. He not only did not take the side of Russia, but also did everything possible so that Turchinov would start the ATO. Of course, Turchinov and Poroshenko became sculpted friends. Crimea is also not officially recognized. The statement that: Russia actually owns the Crimea, this is not recognition. Do you think Lukashenko will allow the Russian attack on Suwalki, knowing that he personally will have a paragraph? Russia will remain, but the West will certainly not forgive him for this. Therefore, the placement of the base videoconferencing nevermind showed.
      Not so simple. It is practically impossible to squeeze Crimea back from Russia in any situation, unless the third world war is unleashed. It’s easier with the Kuril Islands. But unlikely. The Japanese live too well to risk their well-being. Yes, and territorial graters with almost all of its neighbors in the region. Tortured to rake. If only some revenge-seekers will not come to power.
      But Kaliningrad, this is our most vulnerable point and its loss is quite real. I am absolutely sure that the formation of a powerful fist in the Baltic states and Poland is now taking place not to protect the Baltic republics from the mythical attack of Russia, but with an eye precisely on the Kaliningrad enclave. The fact that Putin disarmed him to zero, that brought all the heavy armored vehicles, is his stupid step among the like. It will take years to restore the grouping with all infrastructure (including the aerodrome).
  38. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 5 November 2017 12: 49 New
    +2
    All this is certainly wonderful. The only problem is that our economic potentials with the USA are incompatible. We are being drawn into an arms race, where everything is ultimately decided by the economic component. That's exactly what confuses. I remember how the last race ended. I remember, scary, but what to do?)))
  39. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2017 12: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: rudolff
    "Any blockade is a declaration of war." Not at all. The ban on the transit of goods through its territory, as well as the closure of air corridors, is the sovereign right of the state. The move is definitely unfriendly, but not military at all. There are many examples in history. Remember how in the midst of the events in Kosovo and the throwing of our paratroopers to Pristina, we were blocked off all ground and air transit so that we could not strengthen our group there. Well, although Turkey did not block the Bosphorus, the BDK helped out. In such cases, as in diplomatic practice, it is customary to respond symmetrically. You don’t have to go far for examples, Ukraine. They introduced restrictions on air transit, answered the same ..

    Of course, the closure of corridors is the sovereign right of the state. But any such action is always counted on and opposition. The bulk of the routes to Southeast Asia goes through the territory of Russia. It’s enough to close for the passage of the planes of a state that has made such an unfriendly move and you can give up on some airlines
    Direct across Russia or around - prices are different

    Quote: rudolff
    Sea blockade is more difficult, but it is possible. You can, for example, under any sanctions. By the way, the Americans recently claimed their rights to search for ships heading to North Korea. Remember the story of the delivery of refurbished turntables to Syria, when we were forced to abandon freight and organize a “Syrian express”. Do you want to carry goods to the BDK or accompanied by ships of the Navy, but for God's sake! But do we ourselves have enough strength to provide a whole area with such reincarnation of PQ-17?
    I mentioned minefields only in connection with the development of the conflict. This is already a pre-war step.

    but the whole point is that the UN sanctions on inspection were imposed. And we voted for the bottom. As long as there is a veto, sanctions against Russia and the closest allies will not pass

    Quote: rudolff
    I agree with you that the presence of a threat of tactical nuclear weapons cools the ardor, but it seems that they are less and less afraid, and our responses are becoming more unintelligible. The Turks, generally, have forgotten that we are some kind of nuclear power there, we just shot down an airplane and that’s it. And they didn’t answer with anything but tomatoes. And even then, not for long. Friendship has grown into love, we don’t know what place to kiss yet.

    Well, regarding Turkey - I think that sanctions against Turkey still played a role. Yes, the destruction of our aircraft is a tragedy, and to some extent a provocation, but such cases are not isolated. We shot down and we shot down

    Quote: rudolff
    We will block gas to Western Europe only in the case of World War III, and they know this very well. Well, and if we block it, we will only make the Americans happy. Without oil and gas exports, our economy will come quickly.
    .

    In general, yes, but we will delight the Americans or not (and they will have to smuggle gigantic volumes to compensate), but here's what we will squeeze Europe. Yes, you don’t even need to shut it off at 100. Dramatically reduce the volume per day and give a hint .....

    Quote: rudolff
    As for Alexander Grigoryevich, but did he ever do what they told him from Moscow? Always played his game and more often in spite of Moscow. The case when the tail wags the dog. Remember the war with Georgia. Immediately after the conflict, Saakashvili became his best friend. Until now, he has not recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia, although he promised. Remember the Crimea and the Donbass. He not only did not take the side of Russia, but also did everything possible so that Turchinov would start the ATO. Of course, Turchinov and Poroshenko became sculpted friends. Crimea is also not officially recognized. The statement that: Russia actually owns the Crimea, this is not recognition. Do you think Lukashenko will allow the Russian attack on Suwalki, knowing that he personally will have a paragraph? Russia will remain, but the West will certainly not forgive him for this. Therefore, the placement of the base videoconferencing nevermind showed. .

    But it can also "jump". You can "two uterus suck", but not all the time. He understands perfectly well that they can find a more accommodating one. And the west and we

    Quote: rudolff
    Not so simple. It is practically impossible to squeeze Crimea back from Russia in any situation, unless the third world war is unleashed. It’s easier with the Kuril Islands. But unlikely. The Japanese live too well to risk their well-being. Yes, and territorial graters with almost all of its neighbors in the region. Tortured to rake. If only some revenge-seekers will not come to power.
    But Kaliningrad, this is our most vulnerable point and its loss is quite real. I am absolutely sure that the formation of a powerful fist in the Baltic states and Poland is now taking place not to protect the Baltic republics from the mythical attack of Russia, but with an eye precisely on the Kaliningrad enclave. The fact that Putin disarmed him to zero, that brought all the heavy armored vehicles, is his stupid step among the like. It will take years to restore the grouping with all infrastructure (including the aerodrome).

    I agree. But what makes us different is that we can be unpredictable. And we have something with you, Rudolph plunged into political science. Although the topic was about a missile system laughing
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 5 November 2017 15: 17 New
      +1
      This is yes, as long as I’ve gotten into politics, I don’t get involved, but sometimes it breaks through. Better about rockets. Just around our military doctrine constantly spears break. Where is the rubicon, followed by the radioactive desert.
  40. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 November 2017 17: 15 New
    0
    I think that maybe a few Yars are already on the northern islands either
    in constant readiness for transfer there. And the rocket itself from this article is already
    Designed with new technology in mind. And by the way, it’s very similar to Boundary.
  41. Old26
    Old26 5 November 2017 19: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Zomanus
    I think that maybe a few Yars are already on the northern islands either
    in constant readiness for transfer there.

    Well, if you think so, then you can easily answer a few questions.

    So.
    QUESTION №1
    NA.FIGA are they needed there? What, the reach of 11 thousand kilometers is already not enough to hit the enemy even from the European part of Russia, even from Siberia ??

    QUESTION №2
    And how many do you think the Yars should be sent there? Enough division or need a regiment?

    QUESTION №3
    Anything other than launchers, do you think you need to transfer there, or can you do only launchers?

    QUESTION №4
    Do you think that the leadership of the United States will reward you for helping to destroy part of the potential of the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces? Order there, or just money ???

    Quote: Zomanus
    And the rocket itself from this article is already being designed taking into account new technologies ..

    Know exactly what is being constructed? MIT probably has little work, they are sitting without work, so they decided to build a new rocket? Just think, just two new modifications of the “Yars”, a new modification of the “Mace”, “Frontier”, “Barguzin”. This is so little that they are ready to have decided to take on Courier 2

    Quote: Zomanus
    And by the way, it’s very similar to Boundary.

    MASTERPIECE. The appearance of neither Courier nor Boundary is unknown, but they turn out to be similar. crying
    I will tell you a terrible secret. Many ICBMs are similar to each other ... Only you about this to anyone
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 5 November 2017 19: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: Old26
      Well, if you think so, then you can easily answer a few questions

      My admiration.
      You are perhaps one of the few adequate participants this booth discussions in.
      IMHO, naturally.
  42. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2017 16: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Icarus
    Of course, there is no urgent need to strike at the ballets, but, for example, at the expense of unilateral withdrawal from our agreement (at least practically without an announcement) from the INF Treaty, it’s high time, since France already has these missiles in France and in the UK.

    They didn’t try to turn on the brain and think for a change, but what will give us a way out of the INF? That the Western (and more precisely American) BRDS will not appear at our borders? Will the flight time be longer? Can we adequately compensate for the deployment of Western missiles?
    As for the fact that medium-range missiles are available not only for Americans, but also for the French and British, I will be extremely obliged to you if you answer the following questions.
    1. Type of missiles (their names)
    2. The performance characteristics of these missiles
    3. How much is deployed
    4. Where are deployed (bases and their number at the bases)
    It would be especially interesting to listen to all this regarding British and French missiles.

    Quote: Icarus

    The fact of the matter is that the system laid down in the UN does not work not only to protect our allies (Syria, Serbia - aren't these examples?), But soon they will not spit on us. The beginning has been made - the arrest of Russia's diplomatic property.

    The answer, when asking questions as an example, is not the answer. Serbia is by no means here. We owed her nothing and owed nothing

    Syria - literally a week or two ago the veto in the Security Council on the issue of chemical weapons introduced by Russia - this is not the work of this system

    The arrest of Russia's diplomatic property in the United States in no way goes through the UN. It would be worth knowing before you speak
    1. Icarus
      Icarus 9 November 2017 18: 19 New
      0
      They didn’t try to turn on the brain and think for a change, but what will give us a way out of the INF? That the Western (and more precisely American) BRDS will not appear at our borders? Will the flight time be longer? Can we adequately compensate for the deployment of Western missiles?

      I turn on the brain: the deployment of a dual-use missile defense system in Romania (already exists), Poland, the Czech Republic (will be soon) indicates that the INF Treaty has already been violated de facto against Russia. What to do? Answer: If it is “mirror-like”, then it would be necessary to manufacture something the same double, that is, to stock up similarly to the adversary in full. And if it’s not “mirror”: to crash the air-launched missile defense missiles in Romania “by mistake” (which we immediately or in advance to notify the “partner” behind the puddle, we did not think that the “partner” would brazenly violate the agreement without terminating it publicly ) I like the second option.
      As for the fact that medium-range missiles are available not only for Americans, but also for the French and the British, I will be extremely obliged to you if you answer the following questions.

      The fact that the Franks and the Anglo-Saxons had medium-range missiles at the time of the conclusion of the USSR and the USA treaty on the limitation of the INF Treaty is a well-known fact that, apparently, passed you by. Well then, yourself and answer your questions, insignificant for this topic, regarding the performance characteristics of missiles, etc.
      The answer, when asking questions as an example, is not the answer. Serbia is by no means here. We owed her nothing and owed nothing
      .
      Yes, this was not a question, but the most example. Turn on the brain. I chew. Serbia is one of the few countries in Europe that was not a member of NATO and the EU, the vast majority had a population of Orthodox faith. Our friendly country, although it did not have a military alliance agreement with us (due to the lack of our initiative on this), was our closest ally in Europe, with a mentally similar population. Has anyone asked the UN Security Council for its bombardment by the coalition countries? The answer is no. Primakov (God rest him!) Deployed a plane over the Atlantic when they began to bomb Serbia. And you: "we are not her side." Then do not be surprised that your sides will be "bitten off", or rather bitten off in the form of Montenegro.
      Syria - literally a week or two ago the veto in the Security Council on the issue of chemical weapons introduced by Russia - this is not the work of this system
      .
      Are you by any chance an assistant to Peskov? Manipulate facts cleverly. But it's not about that. Firstly, the veto was imposed on the early extension of the powers of the CW committee, and not on the essence of the "problem", and secondly, the main thing is that the coalition forces are in Syria without a UN mandate. Which once again testifies to the fact that when the amers really need it, they at the UN do not stand behind the resolution, but do as they see fit. Because they spit on our veto. We will not “punish” them ?! But we (not you personally, you are an oligarch) have both private and state assets in the SGA and their satellites, including offshore companies. Remind about Cyprus? In general, the UN charter is violated without taking into account our interests, and we either remain silent or lose ambassadors (representatives). Nah such a UN needed?
  43. ver_
    ver_ 9 November 2017 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Izotovp
    Will a river or lake be considered either land or sea based? bully

    ..and our boats with * calibers * that roam both rivers and seas, and rivers from one sea to another, how is it? ..