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Trump played all-in in Kiev - Ukraine is at stake

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The detention yesterday of the son of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Kiev regime of Arsen Avakov by the majority was regarded as a confrontation between Poroshenko and Avakov, the president and head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who has the most combat-ready units. As arguments, they recalled the alleged minister’s refusal to disperse Saakashvili’s Maidan, and the desire of the most zealous Nazis, gathered allegedly by Avakov, to seize the staggering power. Versions expressed many, but the essence is different.

First of all, it should be clarified that Avakov never controlled the most outspoken Nazis, who are concentrated around the Azov regiment and paramilitary units such as the Azov Civil Corps, the Eastern Corps, various parties and groups around the now Belitsky deputy (such is the real surname allegedly Biletsky).

In fact, the Americans are behind the Azov created with the money of billionaire Kolomoisky. Not for nothing that the US Congress in the summer of 2014 allocated this then battalion and forbade to pay for its training and equip it with American aid. Why allocate one battalion from the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Why would the parliament of the greatest country in the world go down to a detachment of three hundred bayonets, which did not even have howitzers in the summer of the 14th or tank?

It is precisely because the Yankees have relied on the creation of a number of, but separate from the Kiev regime, a powerful control structure, perfectly trained, armed and blindly ready to carry out orders. That is why the ideology of "Azov" - Great Russian Nazism since pre-Christian times, the basis and the mother of which they consider "Kiev - the mother of Russian cities." Because in the "Azov" so many Russian citizens of Nazi convictions.

This is the only regiment that has branches of its organizations with a minimum company of permanent composition in each regional center. With their own training camps, which are funded independently on the bases provided free of charge by the Kiev regime. With its youth and children's wing, its parties and its deputies.

And the well-known Roman Zvarych is in charge of all these thousands of hundred-headed monsters. Born in the United States in 1953, Greek Catholic, received a course of Sovietology at Columbia University. In 1979, he moved to Munich and became the curator (personal secretary) of the head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) Yaroslava Stetsko, wife of Yaroslav Stetsko (right hand of Stefan Bandera). Engaged in relations with the nationalist underground in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. Stetsko called Zvarych her heir.

In 1991, he was sent to Ukraine, in 93, he refused US citizenship. He has held many posts under any authority, right up to the Minister of Justice in the governments of Yulia Tymoshenko and Viktor Yanukovych. He survived the assassination attempt of unidentified persons in 2015.

Currently, Roman Zvarych is the curator (one of the leaders) of the organization “The Civil Corps of Azov”, which controls the remaining numerous processes and through which the entire activity of the organization is financed.

It was the fighters of “Azov” and its “Eastern Corps” who participated in ensuring the activities of the NABU, when the anti-corruption bureau (created and controlled by the Americans) conducted searches and detentions in the “case of backpacks” including Avakov’s son.

They were not Poroshenko’s orders, they didn’t — the formal head of the Kiev regime doesn’t have such authority. The direct team from Washington was executed after receiving a disappointing report from Kurt Volcker, who met with all the forces in Kiev and reported on what he had seen.
And they see it all.

Poroshenko with 18 billion dollars of gold reserves actually depends exclusively on Moscow today - he has enough dollars to pay off foreign debts for a year, and Russia, with the turnover of the Kiev regime that he has raised by one and a half times, solves the current tasks of filling the budget of the Kiev regime. The objectives are temporarily the same and obvious - to save until the presidential elections in 2019, the remnants of the territory of Ukraine under the unified leadership of Kiev, not allowing defragmentation of the state. After that, Poroshenko can quietly and proudly retire anywhere, leaving the future of these lands to the discretion of the Kremlin.

Donald Trump is absolutely not satisfied. As I wrote almost a year ago, in the fall of 2017, Trump’s hands would reach Ukraine. We got it. Volker reported that Poroshenko was too independent, that Saakashvili, who had been incited against him, had practically failed to shake and intimidate Poroshenko, having banally stolen all the money and not providing extras.

In fact, by now Americans are no longer in control of the mess in Kiev and everything can end not with intimidation and returning control of the Kiev regime, but with a banal fight of everyone with everyone, after which everyone who has broken will be torn apart. And Russia will get the most. And the NATO allies, and Poland is the first, will also get out of control for the sake of Galicia.
Made by the Americans beautifully and flawlessly. The detention of his son, the Minister of the Interior was given to understand that not only he, but also his family are under attack, and Uncle Sam has long hands.

Saakashvili demonstrated that the “Mihomaydan” guards, shot by Avakov several hours before the arrest, did not go unnoticed and the measures were taken. But it’s not Saakashvili who’s accepted, which can cost him dearly (look at Avakov’s son)

Poroshenko made it clear that there are no untouchables for the Yankees in Kiev and they have real armed force capable of demolishing anyone, including Poroshenko himself.

Now, having shown who is the boss and who is able, without any Moscow, which is far away, for a few hours to shuffle the entire political deck in Kiev, the United States can play a "good policeman." Restore the status quo, shake hands with everyone, put down the criminal case of “backpacks” on brakes, punish the switchmen and continue to bend their line - Poroshenko allegedly controls the remnants of Ukraine, Saakashvili allegedly protests, and Avakov allegedly ensures law and order.

And while in the White House, they will think what is more interesting and profitable. Whether it is really closer to the presidential elections in Russia to arrange a Nazi coup in Kiev, pour Ukraine’s blood on Ukraine’s hands and put Azov’s hands on Ukraine’s blood and give Moscow a choice - or it’s powerless to watch or send troops.

And you can continue to continue the long-term process of slow dying of Ukraine under the leadership of such as Poroshenko. Gradually, in the spirit of "Azov," bringing up a new generation of true Russophobes from those who will survive the selection process.

It should be recognized that until recently, the Yankees did almost everything. In 3,5, they achieved more than their predecessors in 20 and more.

Whether the White House will be able to replay the combination played out by the Kremlin, we will see in the near future.

Trump played all-in in Kiev - Ukraine is at stake
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 1 November 2017 15: 18 New
    +3
    Nothing interesting will be there. Arrange under the carpet. Everyone understands everything, but none of them knows what the owner wants, because the owner also has a mess in his head.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 1 November 2017 23: 00 New
      +4
      Why guess there. Americans need the territory of Ukraine. With minerals, with shales, with chernozem. But without a population. And with this government or with any other - no difference. This is what is pushing everyone.
      It is a pity that in Ukraine itself they do not understand this.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 2 November 2017 10: 27 New
        +2
        Americans need the territory of Ukraine. With minerals, with shales, with chernozem. But without a population.
        Without a population ... Will earthworms dig up the earth? Ah, robots!
        1. HDZ
          HDZ 2 November 2017 12: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: BecmepH
          Will earthworms dig up the earth? Ah, robots!

          cyborgs
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 2 November 2017 13: 54 New
          0
          For such purposes, the "digging of the land", obviously the current population is unnecessarily large, if from Russia, in Fashington’s plans for servicing the pipe, there should be no more than 15 million, then for Urkaina the figure should be much less.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 2 November 2017 13: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Stock Officer
        Americans need the territory of Ukraine. With minerals, with shales, with chernozem. But without a population

        Nonsense. The states do not need territory, some kind of fossils and everything else. They need 100% influence and control. Russia seems to be not under America, as Ukraine is for example, but minerals in the form of raw materials go from Russia to the West, for American green papers, in an endless stream and in quantities as much as the West wants. There will be no Russia, and especially Ukraine, in terms of resources, the states have the rest of the world, I don’t want to choose. America needs Ukraine, only as a lever of pressure on Russia, no more.
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 3 November 2017 09: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Orionvit
          Russia seems to be not under America,

          The keyword is "like." We are completely economically under the USG and without systemic changes, we will not succeed. And they, these changes, are not yet visible. They only fool people and clog their head with informational garbage. Woz and now there, we dance to the tune of the West, as before. This is very noticeable.
          The needle from Koshchei must be pulled out so that he could not buy a war on the outskirts, then the adversary would go down.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 10: 13 New
            +8
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Economically completely lie under the USG ...

            More in detail from now on? Why "lie", what is "completely" ...
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            The needle from Koshchei must be pulled out so that he could not buy a war on the outskirts, then the adversary

            Do you know real ways to do this, or just throwing slogans?
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 3 November 2017 11: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Why "lie", what is "completely"

              How many hundreds of billions of dollars, the central bank of Russia, officially withdrawn to the states for which the debt obligations SSHA. instead of investing in your own economy. Note, not in a shady way, what is a crime, but officially, insolently, without hiding.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 14: 22 New
                +8
                Quote: Orionvit
                How many hundreds of billions of dollars, the central bank of Russia, officially withdrawn to the states ...

                Not displayed. Invested in securities. Papers are in the Central Bank, for them (selling them) at any time you can get a deny.

                We learn materiel, only after that - do we write something here ...
                1. andj61
                  andj61 3 November 2017 14: 35 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  How many hundreds of billions of dollars, the central bank of Russia, officially withdrawn to the states ...

                  Not displayed. Invested in securities. Papers are in the Central Bank, for them (selling them) at any time you can get a deny.

                  We learn materiel, only after that - do we write something here ...

                  Liberals from the government say the same thing - they say, at any moment, they say, they pay interest for these denyuzhki. yes
                  It is only that the light elves decide to impose sanctions - and these papers lying in the Central Bank will become papers. And at any time! And we will not determine this moment at all. request
                  And as for the interest - they would give this money to our enterprises (not banks - they will instantly speculate and take them to offshore!) For specific programs even at the refinancing rate - they would receive several times more money to the budget, and even production would develop in Russia but not somewhere over the hill.
                  The question has quite definite answers, you just have to ask yourself - who benefits? Who benefits from withdrawing money in the US? Immediately a lot becomes clear! bully hi
                  So we learn materiel and only after that we write.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 14: 55 New
                    +8
                    Quote: andj61
                    It is only that the light elves decide to impose sanctions - and these papers lying in the Central Bank will become papers. And at any time!

                    That's when they introduce, then we'll talk.

                    There are a hundred reasons why they will not.
                    One of them is China, it has these bamagas at times more than that of the Russian Federation. And he also has relations with the States ... not really.
                    Then everything is simple: freeze the "paper" of the Russian Federation = to trouble China. And if China "stirs", the market for these securities will collapse overnight ...
                    This is only one reason why "not introduced."

                    Quote: andj61
                    ... you just have to ask yourself - who benefits?

                    Ask yourself ... IMHO it is unnecessary, ask someone thread who understands the subject at least a little bit.

                    Quote: andj61
                    Who benefits from withdrawing money in the US?

                    For those who are in an armored train, I repeat: money -
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Not displayed. Invested in securities. Papers are in the Central Bank, for them (selling them) at any time you can get a little money
                2. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 3 November 2017 18: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Not displayed. Invested in securities. Papers are in the Central Bank, for them (selling them) at any time you can get a little money

                  I didn’t think that in the world there exist so many naive people like you. This money is already making ends. Or think in the USA, to set collectors? laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 19: 59 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Orionvit
                    This money is already making ends. Or think in the USA, to set collectors?

                    These papers, you will not believe, are willingly bought by "third" countries. besides the USA yes
                    Quote: Orionvit
                    I didn’t think that there were such naive people in the world as you

                    This is for you. Stand in front of the mirror, and repeat ...
                    1. Orionvit
                      Orionvit 4 November 2017 10: 56 New
                      0
                      I think that for you the sun rises in the USA. Then, to you at the meeting of Navalny, although you probably spend all your free time there. Will you vote for Sobchak in the elections? Judging by your strong beliefs, your candidate.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 4 November 2017 19: 38 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Orionvit
                        I think the sun rises in the USA for you

                        You understand ... wrong (and why am I not surprised, I wonder?).
                        Quote: Orionvit
                        Then, to you at the meeting of Navalny, although you probably spend all your free time there

                        I, unlike some, work. At 12-14 hours a day, it happens.
                        So rallies and other parties are for you. I’ve all this in my youth, ahem ... I love it.
                        I don’t comment on anything else, I’m not a scavenger for you to dig into the products of your, ahem, thought activity no
                3. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 3 November 2017 22: 44 New
                  0
                  By the way, in which banks is the Russian Stabilization Fund?
                  http://voprosik.net/gde-xranyatsya-rezervy-rossii
                  /
  2. Sonet
    Sonet 1 November 2017 15: 48 New
    17
    In the outlined combination, the Russians have a zungzwang-any decision and a losing one.
    1.If Putin does bring in troops, then the entire Russian population will show him why they didn’t bring troops earlier, in the year 14, and calmly watched the Slavs kill the Slavs for 3 (4) years? Why were such sacrifices and destruction necessary?
    2. If he doesn’t ever send troops at all, then an absolutely perfect army will grow up in Ukraine, hating Russia with all his heart and ready to kill Russians. And this process is already underway and this is perhaps the most dangerous in the failure of Putin’s diplomacy in Ukraine.
    (The point is to fight with distant jihadists in Syria, if in 5 years we get the same Bandera across the border? ...)
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 1 November 2017 16: 21 New
      12
      Quote: Sonet
      The point is to fight with distant jihadists in Syria, if in 5 years we get the same Bandera across the border?

      Then we’ll wrap up like Syria, those who will remain in Ukraine.
      And now you can’t wet them, there’s a lot of stench, a little in tension, they themselves are perfectly killed.
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 1 November 2017 16: 58 New
        14
        After 5 years, they will have a combat-ready army and possibly well-armed, and importantly RUSSIAN, (Russian Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people) and this is not the Arabs, firstly the psychological factor, and secondly there are more equal opponents in the war, and this is necessary Anglo-Saxons. It was necessary to take everything in the 14th year, despite the sanctions that had already been announced, and now, in addition to shame, we will get a war.
        1. ando_bor
          ando_bor 1 November 2017 17: 14 New
          11
          Quote: Sailor
          After 5 years, they will have a combat-ready army and possibly well-armed

          Than - spears? Ukrainians are already poorer than the Papuans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_b
          y_GDP_ (nominal) _per_capita
          - and unlike the Papuans, they need both clothes and heating, that's why they are being felled by millions, some in Russia, some in Europe.
          1. Sonet
            Sonet 1 November 2017 17: 50 New
            +8
            For the Russia-Ukraine war, the Ukrainians will give all their weapons for nothing. So it is very, very likely that soon the Americans will arm the Ukrainians to the teeth.
            1. ando_bor
              ando_bor 1 November 2017 18: 56 New
              +5
              Quote: Sonet
              For the Russia-Ukraine war, the Ukrainians will give all their weapons for nothing.

              And what else have not given? - according to their concepts, the war has been going on for four years already.
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 1 November 2017 21: 12 New
                +9
                Give away? Khokhlam? For nothing? So they will sell. And it’s not at all necessary in the DPR-LPR.
          2. Sailor
            Sailor 1 November 2017 20: 47 New
            +3
            As soon as they consider it necessary, they will immediately put up arms and the entire "democratic" environment will support them, and no UN (it is anyway) will stop them, remember Kosovo.
        2. V. Ushakov
          V. Ushakov 1 November 2017 19: 37 New
          12
          The Ukrainian army is not the Russian army at all, the “Ukrainians”, ethnicity is not important here, the broken people, the broken down, scattered, turned into bandits (big goats) by the Tatars, and then - 700 years in the slaves who got it.
          Therefore, with any weapons - this is rabble.
          Therefore, they are so "fighting" in the Donbass.
          This is not a "hat-making", we have something to "shower" with them, except for "hats ...
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 1 November 2017 20: 46 New
            0
            Quote: V. Ushakov
            Therefore, with any weapons - this is rabble.
            Therefore, they are so "fighting" in the Donbass.

            And with whom are they fighting in the Donbass? With the same rabble?
            1. V. Ushakov
              V. Ushakov 2 November 2017 04: 05 New
              10
              In the Donbass, Ukrainians are fighting with real Russians, who for the most part are not even “vacationers,” but local Russians who lived in the north-north-west of Ancient Rus and then only after the Tatars (after defeating the Tatars) - resettled to the south, and who NEVER, NOBLE WERE CONQUERED, OMITTED AND TURNED INTO THE FORGIVEN OF THE GANGS.
        3. Kachesgm
          Kachesgm 2 November 2017 10: 54 New
          +1
          Purely even theoretically, the Ukrainian army does not have the proper amount of aviation, as well as strategic weapons. It will be enough to use several iskander and the question can be closed. I am silent about nuclear weapons.
    2. Stalevar
      Stalevar 1 November 2017 17: 48 New
      +3
      Excuse me, what generation strategist ?. Of course you own information very, very reliable and complete. You naturally know what measures and when to take. And of course, you have a little bit acceptable victorious plan.
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 1 November 2017 20: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Sonet
      .If he doesn’t ever send troops at all, then an absolutely perfect army will grow up in Ukraine, hating Russia with all his heart and ready to kill Russians

      For Ukraine to attack Russia, it’s necessary to be completely brainless! Here the power in Kiev will change, then we will treat them! We won’t cure people who will go to places not so distant! I don’t believe that what the United States did in Ukraine cannot be turned back! It is possible, but it will take time and we will just gain strength.
    4. alma
      alma 1 November 2017 23: 10 New
      +2
      War must be carried over to the Ocean and the English Channel
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 2 November 2017 03: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Sonet
      In the outlined combination, the Russians have a zungzwang-any decision and a losing one.
      1.If Putin does bring in troops, then the entire Russian population will show him why they didn’t bring troops earlier, in the year 14, and calmly watched the Slavs kill the Slavs for 3 (4) years? Why were such sacrifices and destruction necessary?
      2. If he doesn’t ever send troops at all, then an absolutely perfect army will grow up in Ukraine, hating Russia with all his heart and ready to kill Russians. And this process is already underway and this is perhaps the most dangerous in the failure of Putin’s diplomacy in Ukraine.
      (The point is to fight with distant jihadists in Syria, if in 5 years we get the same Bandera across the border? ...)

      everyone imagines himself a strategist .... from his couch !!! lol lol lol I wonder if you attend meetings with Putin every day or only every other day ??? winked winked laughing laughing laughing
    6. your1970
      your1970 2 November 2017 11: 29 New
      +1
      Sonet
      -th third option: that Ukrainians themselves will raise the pitchfork only for "SUGS!" "Is it impossible, in your opinion? The main thing is to close the border only in time - they will be forced to cut the Bandera themselves there. It is unlikely? In my opinion it is much more likely - than the deployment of our troops there ..
      Our economy will not physically pull such a ballast - therefore, there will be no troop deployment. The maximum is if our terrbats are brought to zero (and no matter what - with “Caliber” or knives ...) ...
    7. horhe48
      horhe48 2 November 2017 13: 02 New
      +1
      There is no “tsutswang” and cannot be. And why: as Karl Marx used to say, the mole of history digs slowly, but inexorably. Ukraine is not a historically established state. On the contrary, it is in many ways a random combination of lands and peoples molded by the Bolsheviks in the name of the "class approach" they invented in the national state structure. Created from lands and peoples that have their own history and historically formed neighboring states. (Russia, Poland, Hungary, Romania). In the conditions of the permanent Ukrainian crisis, impoverishment of the population by the suppression of Bandera of any dissent and forced Ukrainization, there are no bonds that would unite the peoples in this under-state (historical, cultural, economic
      political and political) there isn’t and cannot be. Therefore, it will continue to split according to the ethnic principle and, as the events show, this process will not be peaceful and peaceful, but will be accompanied by bloody excesses. And nothing about the states with their Trump and especially Walker, NATO and the EU cannot do this. They can either delay or accelerate this process. But it will go further. As a result, Ukraine will not disappear. But it will become much smaller.
    8. Cynic
      Cynic 2 November 2017 14: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Sonet
      In the outlined combination, the Russians have zungzwang

      As I understand it, you do not relate yourself to RUSSIAN and occupy, as it were, a third-party position.
      Neutral...
  3. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 1 November 2017 16: 01 New
    +5
    Can the White House outplay the combination played by the Kremlin?

    God, how interesting! belay And what is the combination of the Kremlin ?! recourse
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 1 November 2017 16: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: Hlavaty

      God, how interesting! belay And what is the combination of the Kremlin ?! recourse

      Yes, there is no combination. The Kremlin made it clear that he was not interested in Ukraine. Therefore, what difference does what will happen there! All existing connections are broken. This is for a long time. If there were any plans for Ukraine, then breaking ties would not be necessary.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 1 November 2017 17: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Stas157
        Yes, there is no combination. The Kremlin made it clear that he was not interested in Ukraine. Therefore, what difference does what will happen there! All existing connections are broken. This is for a long time.

        I don’t know about the combinations; they didn’t initiate them into plans. Trade with Ukraine has grown. Putin said in an extreme speech that LDNR would not be abandoned and that massacres and murders would not be tolerated; So that your opinion is not entirely justified ... I think it's worth a look request wipe off.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 1 November 2017 17: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: NIKNN
          Trade with Ukraine has grown.

          I would like numbers. And you know, in the general trend of declining hops, too, there are, especially if the trade turnover with DLNR is also included here.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 1 November 2017 18: 46 New
            +5
            Quote: Stas157
            I would like numbers.

            I am always surprised at the ability of people to prove that they would be right by asking for data. And to drive a query into the search engine by yourself, is it not fate? belay This information is constantly going on, in particular.
            http://rkd.dp.ua/2017/04/13/torgovlya-s-agressoro
            m-pochemu-ukraina-rezko-narastila-eksport-v-rf /
            http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/84121
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 1 November 2017 21: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: NIKNN
              I am always surprised at the ability of people to prove that they would be right by asking for data. And to drive a query into the search engine by yourself, is it not fate? belay This information is constantly going on, in particular.
              http://rkd.dp.ua/2017/04/13/torgovlya-s-agressoro
              m-pochemu-ukraina-rezko-narastila-eksport-v-rf /
              http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/84121

              You refute me! So do it reasonably. Unfortunately, the article did not open your link, I was thrown to the main page. Try yourself on your link to go. But in any case, this is a Ukrainian propaganda site. Poraskinte brains, with the current collapse of ties and relations, the trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine, contrary to your statements, is unlikely to be restored to the level of 2014. Therefore, to talk about some kind of growth - from the evil one. This is only possible fragmentary. But the overall trend will only decline. I hope you agree with this?
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 1 November 2017 21: 58 New
                +2
                Actually, you commented on me. Your opinion with questions is not interesting to me, ssflock is full, learn to work with a search engine ... hi
        2. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 1 November 2017 20: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: NIKNN
          Putin said in an extreme speech that LDN will not be abandoned

          In 2014, he talked so fascinatingly about the "Russian world" that people in the Donbass were guilty of his words. And since then they die every day. Unrecognized by Russia. Unlike the Ukrainian authorities, which Russia recognized.
          I think that the rest of the Ukrainians will no longer be so easily led by Putin. They will wait for specific actions confirming the words.

          And the increased turnover indicates that Russia is again beginning to feed the Ukrainian "elites", which are easily sold to the one who pays the most. This rake has already been stepped on repeatedly.
          1. Sailor
            Sailor 1 November 2017 21: 14 New
            +6
            No matter how bitter it is to admit it, but it is so. My colleague lives in Lugansk, he talked about how uplifting people came out looking at the Crimea, and they were merged.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 2 November 2017 14: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Sailor
              and they were leaked.

              Are you from the old set of merchants or a new one?
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 1 November 2017 21: 36 New
            +6
            Quote: Hlavaty
            I think that the rest of the Ukrainians will no longer be so easily led by Putin. They will wait for specific actions confirming the words.

            And not only Ukrainians! Very many in Russia wholeheartedly waited for the Russian Spring, New Russia ... but they did not even wait for the Kremlin to recognize the fragment of Donbass. And all this is done to please partners.
          3. your1970
            your1970 2 November 2017 11: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Hlavaty
            I think that the rest of the Ukrainians will no longer be so easily led by Putin. They will wait for specific actions confirming the words.
            What actions do they need ?? nuclear weapons in the Verkhovna Rada? tanks in Kharkov?
            Nooo, themselves, with their hands - on the forks, then raking themselves - what they messed up for 25 years ...
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 2 November 2017 17: 21 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              What actions do they need?

              Such actions that would clearly speak about Russia's goals regarding the future of Ukrainians. Now Russia generally pretends that it has no supporters in Ukraine, and therefore it seems like there is no one to support. With such a policy, Russia really will not have any supporters. It is difficult to be a supporter of someone who does not see you point blank.
              Apparently, the Kremlin is not able to solve an elementary task:
              Supporters of Russia in Ukraine are now disorganized and unarmed.
              Opponents of Russia in Ukraine are organized and armed.
              Guess three times: what are the actions of Russia?
              Quote: your1970
              do it yourself with your handles

              Tank forks? Well, you old man is a pervert.
              1. your1970
                your1970 2 November 2017 23: 55 New
                0
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Tank forks? Well, you old man is a pervert.
                -And you remember August 1991 - when tankers in tanks were kicked on the head ..... There would be a desire, but it’s just NOT observed ...
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Guess three times: what are the actions of Russia?
                -so share the info !!! what should we do? arm Russian supporters all over Ukraine? hand out money? shoot / blow up terrorist battles?
                WHAT SPECIFICY ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

                Z.Y. and still a visa-free regime is not a clear allusion to the future of Ukrainians?
                1. Hlavaty
                  Hlavaty 3 November 2017 22: 21 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  and you remember August 1991 - when tankers in tanks were kicked on the heads in tanks

                  Extremely incorrect comparison. Especially if you recall a similar situation in 1993, when the corpses were taken out of trucks by trucks from Moscow, and the tanks were beaten up by the State Duma and no one even tried to kick “tankers in tanks over the heads”.

                  Quote: your1970
                  so share info !!! What should we do? Arm Russian supporters throughout Ukraine?

                  Why are you provoking me to anti-state calls? Are you by any chance not from the SBU? And then I recently saw a poster on the street - "a hotline for counteracting a supporter of Russian aggression" and a telephone. I immediately thought that I should carefully monitor my comments. Here we have already condemned several admins of groups in social networks and gave real terms for pro-Russian agitation. Do not forget that you are safe in Russia, and you can afford any comments. I am in Ukraine.
          4. Cynic
            Cynic 2 November 2017 14: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Hlavaty
            In 2014, he talked so fascinatingly about the "Russian world"

            Oh well, and his words about referenda in the DPR and LPR: RANO! You mean did not see and did not hear?
      2. ver_
        ver_ 2 November 2017 10: 39 New
        +2
        ... let the guys * October * get drunk on autonomy by myself I can not .., to vomit only at the word * autostomy * ....
    2. avt
      avt 2 November 2017 10: 08 New
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      Quote: Hlavaty
      And what is the combination of the Kremlin ?!

      According to Akunin, voiced in the film with Mikhalkov in the role of Pozharsky-SDD. Do not wait for a direct invasion of troops until you climb into the same Transnistria with all the dope, where a quarter of a million Russian citizens and our peacekeepers. Well, if the US does not move NATO troops first to the Ruin, then the race will begin, as is now in Syria at Euphrates.
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 6 November 2017 22: 24 New
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        Quote: avt
        According to Akunin, voiced in the film with Mikhalkov in the role of Pozharsky - SDD

        People like to grab a beautiful phrase and drop everything else ...
        You would at least remember what this led to the same Pozharsky. I'm not talking about Russia.
    3. Whaler
      Whaler 2 November 2017 10: 14 New
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      Yes, everything is the same as that of the database - to drive you into the coffin and quickly am )) As in that joke:
      - How many Ukrainians are needed ....
      - Not at all !!!
      - But you have not yet listened !!!
      - Ukrainians are not at all and for what is not necessary !!! bully
  4. Irek
    Irek 1 November 2017 16: 03 New
    +1
    Time will tell, but for now these have achieved their ...
  5. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 1 November 2017 16: 56 New
    +7
    played by the Kremlin

    I didn’t see .... but I saw the complete domination of the United States in Ukraine. sad
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 1 November 2017 17: 08 New
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    The author somehow does not bother to substantiate his findings with facts. If you believe Mr. Onufrienko, then LDNR has been waging a war with Poroshenko, who is “controlled” by the Kremlin, for the fourth year already. The United States has long “lost” control of Ukraine. Biletsky - Great Russian "Natsik", etc. ... and everything is ruled by the "unfinished lawyer" Zvarych ....
    The "degree of initiation" of Master Onufrienko is clearly high. laughing
  7. Sonet
    Sonet 1 November 2017 17: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: Hlavaty
    Can the White House outplay the combination played by the Kremlin?

    God, how interesting! belay And what is the combination of the Kremlin ?! recourse

    ,, Uh, we are deeply concerned and urge ... ,,
    The famous ,, cunning plan ,, Putin :)
  8. polpot
    polpot 1 November 2017 19: 02 New
    +1
    The deadline for the gas contract and the launch of two streams until this moment will be watching the Ukrainian clowning. Europe should receive gas without fail and then we will see what kind of jumps without billions will go for transit.
  9. Sonet
    Sonet 1 November 2017 19: 28 New
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    Quote: ando_bor
    Quote: Sonet
    For the Russia-Ukraine war, the Ukrainians will give all their weapons for nothing.

    And what else have not given? - according to their concepts, the war has been going on for four years already.

    By whose ,, their concepts ,,? Everyone who makes decisions knows perfectly well that in Ukraine Ukrainians are fighting with Ukrainians. But when the goal is to overthrow Ukrainians-Russia, then the weapons of Ukrainians will go in echelons. Well, so that Ukrainians against Russians for at least a week held out ....
    And all these three years, the United States did not have such a goal.
  10. Altona
    Altona 1 November 2017 20: 10 New
    +1
    Some kind of conspirology.
  11. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 1 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +6
    In the 14th year, GDP missed a chance. Now, if such a coup happened in Mexico, did the US act as the Russian Federation? The status quo would be restored immediately, and all the coups would be in Guantanamo.
    1. your1970
      your1970 2 November 2017 11: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      In the 14th year, GDP missed a chance.
      "And then? What to feed 40 million new citizens? What graves to bury a couple of millions of those who" SUGS! "(After all, they will have to be destroyed)? I am silent about our economy ....
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 November 2017 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        how to feed 40 million new citizens?

        Are they dependents?

        Quote: your1970
        in which graves to bury a couple of millions of those who are “SUGS!” (after all, they will have to be destroyed)?

        It could be used on construction sites of the national economy.
        Quote: your1970
        I’m silent about our economy ...

        Our top officials claim that the economy is going uphill. Aren't they right?
        1. your1970
          your1970 2 November 2017 16: 45 New
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          Quote: 16112014nk
          how to feed 40 million new citizens?
          Are they dependents?
          Quote: your1970
          in which graves to bury a couple of millions of those who are “SUGS!” (after all, they will have to be destroyed)?
          It could be used on construction sites of the national economy.
          Quote: your1970
          I’m silent about our economy ...
          Our top officials claim that the economy is going uphill. Aren't they right?
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 November 2017 17: 02 New
            +2
            the answer flew
            1) They ruined the industry
            2) new turns of the rivers / Chograi / BAM, etc. not expected, so the crowds of unmotivated workers (including convicts) we do not need
            3) our industry needs specialists - in Ukraine they exist and ?? if there is no industry, then they will work for us creating social tension-capitalism ... Under socialism, it was possible to kick hard workers for years by the hard workers ..
            3) the labor of unskilled convicts is unclaimed by the industry almost in general - our criminals are unemployed, and you still offer to plant 2-3 million at least ...
  12. akm8226
    akm8226 1 November 2017 21: 36 New
    +8
    GDP does everything absolutely right. Why the hell are we getting in there? What did we forget there? Russian people are everywhere and you won’t bend them over the knee - as in the tribaltics, there are attempts, but there is no sense in them. But it is necessary that the dill begin to eat each other, so that it’s non-sagging across the throat, so that thousands of corpses lay along the kuev - then our army will be received with joy and with flowers. But not earlier. For the shameful nature of Kakloff always makes someone guilty - but not himself. Do not stop dill from cutting each other, especially since, in fact, they have not even started yet - those 10-15 thousand corpses from the ATO are a drop in the bucket. According to my calculations, about ten million Svidomo corpses are needed for the final etching of the Ukrainians virus from the brains. To the corpses hung on Khreshchatyk. And then you can send troops.
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 2 November 2017 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: akm8226
      According to my estimates, about ten million Svidomo corpses are needed for the final etching of the Ukrainians virus from the brains.

      But why is there a little thing to bomb us all together and not be tormented. We are all not human beings, but pan-log banderlogs. Congratulations in your head there has already been a dehumanization of Ukrainians. West applauds.
      Quote: akm8226
      To the corpses hung on Khreshchatyk. And then you can send troops.

      Why then will they be needed?
  13. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 2 November 2017 10: 08 New
    +1
    Well what will you do! Again, this is about nothing, but with a huge claim to something!
  14. astankard
    astankard 2 November 2017 10: 09 New
    +2
    What problems? Shoot Yarosh, and a couple of smaller Fuhrer, with a trace to Avakov ... an attempt on Avakov, with a trace to Poroshenko .... Americans are tortured to restore order in their plans.
  15. voron770247
    voron770247 2 November 2017 10: 25 New
    +2
    The question is: Why all the conspiracy theorists? Why do they need all these patterns ?! The direct route is the shortest and usually cheaper ... Victoria Nuland was not particularly encrypted on the Maidan. Americans tend to act squeamishly and cynically. They don’t need to dance all these pa ... undercover intrigue is inherent in the British ... They are gray cardinals.
  16. SergF123
    SergF123 2 November 2017 11: 29 New
    0
    FSA agents are strong and very motivated, unlike our agents, which, it seems, do not exist in Ukraine at all, besides Donbass
  17. psel
    psel 2 November 2017 12: 53 New
    0
    Posted by Mikhail Onufrienko (Mikle1)
    Afyftoru: Such as you need to hang in turn for the left, and then for the right until you die!
  18. filimonych14
    filimonych14 2 November 2017 14: 20 New
    0
    I can’t understand: there they are Maidan, the States are funding all this: And what does Putin have to do with it? Is it only that you screwed up in full? When the dollar begins to crumble, they will make mistakes such that Mom Do not Cry.
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok 5 November 2017 19: 58 New
    0
    Several similar articles appeared at VO. Again, they give glory to the KhPP and say that tomorrow everything will be changed in Ukraine in Ukraine. And the apple itself will slide into the hands of the Kremlin. Tired of this "alternative to reality reading" 4 year to read.