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Import Substitution in Russia: Two Words about Turkish Tomatoes That No One Needs Soon

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Turkish tomatoes will return to the Russian market in December 2017 of the year. True, it may turn out that very soon no one will need them. Over the past two years, Russia has made a tremendous breakthrough in the cultivation of vegetables and by the year 2020 can almost completely abandon their imports.

Growth of growing greenhouse vegetables (tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers) in Russia by the beginning of the turbulent 2014 events of the year was relatively stable, but not sufficient to bring the country to full self-sufficiency in this segment of the food market even in the foreseeable future.

The fact is that production simply did not keep pace with the growth in consumption of the gradually richer Russian population. In the 2014 year, despite the increase in production by 12,3%, the filling of this segment of the food market with the Russian product was only 38,1% (against 35,4% in 2013 year).

The 2015-2016 years were crucial for Russian vegetable production. Because of the devaluation of the ruble, firstly, the purchasing power of the population decreased, and hence the market volume, secondly, the competitiveness of the Russian producer increased, and hence the profitability of its production. A real gift of fate for Russian agricultural producers was the sanctions of Europe and the retaliatory embargo of Russia on agricultural products from EU countries, which removed Spain, the Netherlands, Poland and Ukraine from the Russian vegetable market. Another important factor was the ban on the import of Turkish tomatoes immediately after the provocation with the Russian bomber Su-24.



Since 2015, Russia has sharply increased the construction of modern greenhouses. If in 2013, only 80 ha of new “winter” greenhouses was commissioned, then in 2015-m - already 200 ha, in 2016-m - approximately 250 ha. This year it will be surrendered as much again. Total more than 600 ha greenhouses for three years. Area growth was more than 30% compared to 2014 year. And by 2020, the total area of ​​modern “winter” greenhouses in Russia will be more than 2 thousand hectares (taking into account those that were built before 2014 year).

The greenhouse complex in recent years has become a real investment paradise, where everyone began to invest money, even oil and gas companies.

Already in 2016, the results of the work of "vegetable workers" gave the result. Gross product growth in the industry for greenhouse vegetables (which were mainly imported) amounted to 22%, which made it possible to bring the specific share of domestic products in stores up to 62,2% against the background of some reduction in their consumption by the population.

Over the 10 months of 2017, the growth in the production of Russian greenhouses was still 26%, and there is every reason to believe that the total demand for this product will be closed by the domestic product already by 80%.

Thus, even taking into account the growth in consumption of vegetables by 2020, Russia can almost completely cover its needs for greenhouse vegetables with its own products (plus Belarus), and Turkish tomatoes, which, according to quotas, should bring in total 50 thousand tons (instead of 360 thousand tons in 2014 year) will not be needed at all soon.

In addition, they obviously lose the taste to the Russian tomato.

How are we doing about potatoes?



I want to say a few words about growing open ground vegetables in Russia (potatoes, cabbage, carrots, beets, onions). Initially, the situation with their cultivation was not as depressing as with greenhouse vegetables. A significant part of them were produced in household plots (approximately 70-80% of potatoes), and those that went through the shops, also came from Russian fields (100% Russia provided itself with potatoes, onions, beets, carrots, zucchini).

Let us dwell separately on potato growing as one of the most important branches of the country's food security. As mentioned above, 70-80% of potatoes in Russia are harvested from vegetable gardens. The state sector accounts for the rest of the market. Nevertheless, it is this “public sector” that is the basis of food security, since it produces the so-called seed fund for itself and private owners.

Thanks to the intensification of production and the introduction of new high-yielding varieties in Russia over the past 20 years, the average yield of potatoes has more than doubled.

By the way, this made it possible to reduce the acreage under this crop in the same amount. In Russia, there is no task to overwhelm the world with its potatoes, and it produces as much as it needs for its own consumption.

In order to preserve the trends and create a basis for the sustainable development of the industry, the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation considers the transfer of potato growing to domestic varieties of tubers to be the most important task (they now grow the vast majority of foreign selection in Russia). The program has already been completed and its implementation will begin soon. It will cost the country approximately 10-12 billion rubles, but in the end no one will ever be able to dictate any conditions to Russia in vegetable production.
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 31 October 2017 15: 16 New
    16
    Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.
    1. Yurasumy
      31 October 2017 15: 22 New
      +5
      Do you have a layout for prices to say this? For example, now greenhouse tomatoes in the Moscow Region are a little over 100 rub. Two years ago, the Turkish cost 120 rubles. That’s why talk, just to talk.
      1. alekc73
        alekc73 31 October 2017 15: 32 New
        +7
        For the New 2017 year, he took 380 rubles a kilogram. Beautiful, packed, made in Russia. But the price !!!!
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 31 October 2017 15: 35 New
          +4
          ))) Yes ... I live in Moscow, of course, you can buy tomatoes and for 1200, who doesn’t give? But why? There are many, many cheaper. The average price is about 60 rubles. Of course, it’s tasteless. But 100 can be super buy.
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          2. mirag2
            mirag2 31 October 2017 15: 40 New
            +2
            If we are talking about the economy, go get a picture, the capitalization of all companies (banks and non-financial business) circulating on all exchanges in the United States on Friday exceeded $ 45.5 trillion, of which 37 trillion are of American joint stock companies (31 trillion of which are public).
            For 5 years, +17 trillion dollars, or almost twice!
            How miserable and insignificant is the Dotcom (2008) bubble on the graph compared to the cretinism that we see now?
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 31 October 2017 15: 59 New
              +4
              In fact, in 2008 the mortgage bubble burst, and the Dotcom bubble burst in 2000 and was blown away by 2002.
          3. rpek32
            rpek32 1 November 2017 00: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: mirag2
            . The average price is about 60 rubles.

            a tomato.
            in winter.
            this rofl such chtoli?
          4. Dashout
            Dashout 3 November 2017 17: 30 New
            +3
            Well, what are super cool? All tomatoes are rubber! Well, the bad ones! I’m waiting for Turkish, they must be tasty
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 31 October 2017 21: 30 New
          +6
          Quote: alekc73
          For the New 2017 year, he took 380 rubles a kilogram. Beautiful, packed, made in Russia. But the price !!!!


          Guys! Let's immediately admit - which region is from ... Naturally, prices will be different ... Say, in Kostroma-Yaroslavl, where are the tomatoes - God forbid that they survive in the greenhouses, or the Krasnodar-Stavropol Territory ...
          Do not go to extremes ...
          But do not forget that even at lower prices for Turkish tomatoes, we feed the WTO and Turkish producers, but not ours ...
          Here we have to choose for ourselves ... My wife and I (both pensioners) try to take domestic products (not only tomatoes), regardless of the prices ... Sometimes I can allow taking Belarusian (and only !!!) products ... ALL !!!
      2. Maksus
        Maksus 31 October 2017 22: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: yurasumy
        Do you have a layout for prices to say this? For example, now greenhouse tomatoes in the Moscow Region are a little over 100 rub. Two years ago, the Turkish cost 120 rubles. That’s why talk, just to talk.


        What year is the price? We have pink tomatoes 190 rubles, and the rest taste nothing at all. What nah agriculture, if bell pepper at 290 rubles ???
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 1 November 2017 08: 47 New
          0
          For seven years, the poppy did not give birth - and there was no famine. What are we making noise?
      3. Andrey Barinov
        Andrey Barinov 1 November 2017 05: 38 New
        +3
        Are you all about the Moscow region, and the rest of RUSSIA with Kamchatka? Just to talk? hi
      4. Mackiawelly
        Mackiawelly 1 November 2017 16: 53 New
        +1
        Dear with a salary of 15000 rubles, you don’t hurt to eat tomatoes that are already in October for 100 rubles. Our infinite bursting creatures of the mesmerizing creatures will at least a little bit. And then we will fill up with tomatoes ... a Khrushchevite wrote something?
    2. seti
      seti 31 October 2017 16: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: alekc73
      Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.

      The paper will endure everything clearly .. But bring the documents to write like that. It is clear that not everything is as rosy as the author writes, and in different regions there are different conditions, but progress in agriculture is obvious. The only bad thing is that sanctions were needed to make the shift.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 1 November 2017 15: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: seti
        The only bad thing is that sanctions were needed to make the shift.

        and what's wrong with protecting domestic producers?
    3. ukoft
      ukoft 31 October 2017 17: 15 New
      +7
      you're right. winter tomatoes will always be more expensive, unless you build greenhouses near the thermal power station and all sorts of power plants and other power plants. Today, the efficiency of all energy-producing enterprises is not more than 50%. the rest goes into heat. Someone serves for heating and hot water, but still much remains.
      smart people began to build greenhouses on joint units with these energy-producing enterprises! energy is very cheap and does not have such an effect on cost. they will be competitors for Turkish and other manufacturers. By the way, they can cover the needs of all countries!
      By the way, the consumption of vegetables, fish and poultry will increase, but the meat will decrease. Now people think more about health. less bread and meat, more vegetables, fish and poultry
    4. 210ox
      210ox 31 October 2017 17: 18 New
      +2
      Here I will give an example of Mr. Galitsky. He invested a lot in greenhouses. Only in Turkey ... For taxes and corruption. The article is clearly their "Time Ahead!"
      Quote: alekc73
      Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.
      1. garnik
        garnik 3 November 2017 18: 28 New
        +1
        Galitsky has a greenhouse in the Krasnodar Territory as well, not reaching Korenovsk if traveling from Krasnodar. As for pricing, you need to figure it out. I bought a box of pink tomatoes for 50 rubles a week ago in the wholesale market. And at retail they sell at 80-90 rubles. Too much difference. And prices will skyrocket after the first frost, generally for all vegetables. This is true for the Krasnodar Territory.
        Nevertheless, Turkish tomatoes will hit the hands of our hard workers. To have tomatoes in winter, we need professional greenhouses, of which we have a miserable amount, it takes time. Himself grown tomatoes 40 acres, in the know.
    5. purple
      purple 31 October 2017 21: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: alekc73
      Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.

      Turkish plastic is tasteless? Not even better let our more expensive but the taste is.
    6. Maksus
      Maksus 31 October 2017 22: 03 New
      +3
      If we provide ourselves with potatoes at 100%, then why aren’t our potatoes in stores? And if there is, then some kind of frozen last year. And only in the fall is a fit young fit.
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    7. krops777
      krops777 1 November 2017 02: 40 New
      +1
      In Russia there is no task to fill the world with its potatoes, and it produces it exactly as much as it needs for its own consumption.

      Summer residents and private traders do not make a bad contribution to the food security of the country, and instead of helping their beloved state, everything is trying to tax and other delights to tax them.
    8. BecmepH
      BecmepH 1 November 2017 06: 03 New
      0
      Quote: alekc73
      Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.

      Intermediaries will squeeze out local tomatoes from the market.
    9. Primoos
      Primoos 3 November 2017 17: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: alekc73
      Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.

      Everything is very simple - do not buy Turkish. I haven’t bought anything for a long time. Then the topic itself will close when their tomatoes in the warehouses of retailers rot.
  2. cedar
    cedar 31 October 2017 15: 19 New
    +3
    Food security is one of the most important pillars of a country's sovereignty.
    1. Bastinda
      Bastinda 31 October 2017 17: 24 New
      +4
      Slaves must be fed, otherwise a riot is inevitable! But slaves do not need cars (technologies).
  3. etrofimov
    etrofimov 31 October 2017 15: 21 New
    +4
    This can not but rejoice, but where is the progress in mechanical engineering (civil ???)
  4. senima56
    senima56 31 October 2017 15: 58 New
    12
    "The sanctions of Europe became a real gift of fate for Russian agricultural producers ..." That's for sure: "a gift for Russian agricultural producers ..." And for Russian consumers? If I bought Polish apples for 40 rubles, then why should I pay 80 rubles for ours, “relatives”?
    1. Yurasumy
      31 October 2017 17: 28 New
      +9
      I take on 55. Polish on 40 were in the course of 30. Now they will be if they let 70 minimum. Let’s not to blame but to reproach, but to compare the comparable.
    2. SERGUS
      SERGUS 3 November 2017 17: 48 New
      0
      Quote: senima56
      And for Russian consumers? If I bought Polish apples for 40 rubles, then why should I pay 80 rubles for ours, “relatives”?

      Because if you ban imported vegetables and fruits, then our native agricultural producers will immediately raise prices.
  5. Karen
    Karen 31 October 2017 16: 10 New
    +6
    How disgusting to eat these new varieties of tomato, plastic like, bounce off the floor if you drop ... through my friends I get the old varieties.
    1. garnik
      garnik 3 November 2017 18: 51 New
      0
      Let me disagree with you. I cultivated only Dutch varieties of tomatoes, the taste is excellent. Dutch, red Monroe, pink, Pink Paradise, and Japanese pink Alesi. Although they are considered old, it is unlikely that new varieties will be worse than old ones. Rather, the tomatoes you bought are imported from other countries. In Armenia, the villagers are scrupulous about the varieties of vegetables, because the people are very picky. He lived there for 10 years.
      1. Karen
        Karen 11 November 2017 23: 17 New
        +1
        It is theoretically impossible that the Dutch tomato varieties would be tastier than our Anahit variety. This variety does not take root even in Karabakh.
        By analogy ... The other day, Serge Tankyan urged us not to let us in the American giant GMO (Monsaro or a little differently called). He says that only here he enjoys the crunch of delicious local apples.
        It was also at the festival of apricots in Italy: our apricot was recognized as the most delicious, but it was demanded to conduct selection to bring the appearance to the commodity Mirror usual for geyrops.
        1. garnik
          garnik 11 November 2017 23: 47 New
          0
          Propagate the tomato, you can simply break off the shoot and stupidly shove it in moist soil, protecting the week from direct sunlight. He lived in the village of Araks Echmiadzin district grew tomatoes and cucumbers. Anahit is not a bad variety, but usually tomatoes are valued apart from taste, transportability and resistance to diseases and pests.


          Better apricots than those grown in Armenia do not exist. He could eat half a bucket at a time tearing from his trees, and this is almost every day, living in Armenia.
          1. Karen
            Karen 11 November 2017 23: 56 New
            +1
            When I eat the Anahit variety, I don’t think about its non-transportability ... But the Americans were also smart ... they dry tomatoes like dried fruits, but relish them in vegetable oil. They have it for a harmonious background dessert.
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 31 October 2017 16: 28 New
    +3
    The Ministry of Agriculture of Russia considers the transfer of potato production to domestic varieties of tubers as the most important task (now in Russia the vast majority of varieties of foreign selection are grown)

    It's a good idea. God grant and the seed fund will be the most sovereign.
    Quote: etrofimov
    This can not but rejoice, but where is the progress in mechanical engineering (civil ???)

    2016 thousand tractors were produced in Russia during 7,8, which is 20,3% more than 2015 (6493 pcs.), Including 6,6 thousand tractors manufactured. (+ 27,0%) and 1,2 thousand units (–7,9%) of industrial tractors.
    https://os1.ru/article/11093-rynok-i-proizvodstvo
    -selskohozyaystvennyh-traktorov-v-rossii-v-2016-g

    Not everything is rosy, but there is growth.
    Quote: senima56
    If I bought Polish apples for 40 rubles, then why should I pay 80 rubles for ours, “dear”?

    So the dollar has grown a bit ...
    And so you can remember a joke about Bavarian beer. If it were not for Stalingrad and Kursk, they would now drink natural German beer ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 31 October 2017 16: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      So the dollar has grown a bit ...

      what is the relationship between the dollar and domestic tomatoes?
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 31 October 2017 18: 10 New
        +6
        as Imperz stupidly forgot to remember that in addition to the growth of the Euro, revenues did not increase at all. The euro then doubled in price, but apples and tomatoes also doubled, even the communal apartment clearly grew by the same percentage as the Euro. About the salary, almost not growing, for some reason no one remembers ..
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 31 October 2017 19: 05 New
          0
          Quote: AwaZ
          The Imperz stupidly forgot to remember that in addition to the growth of the Euro

          And?
          Also think that having lost to the Germans in the Second World War, stupidly would you drink Bavarian?
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 31 October 2017 20: 16 New
            +5
            I agree that the situation in the country is aggravated by the well-fed ones.
            However, I do not respect those who justify the actions of the authorities, which lead to the impoverishment of the people.
            In this situation, there are two points. One is due to the fact that the authorities are somehow forced to act in order to preserve the country and prevent the devastation and collapse of the economy caused by cruel sanctions in general of almost the rest of the world. And here they are more likely to perform this task. However, the second point comes out. They carry out this task at the expense of us. What is not good. I would say there is complete shit. First of all, it was necessary to shake our bins and do everything so that the population felt all the charms of sanctions on themselves, and ideally, that they wouldn’t notice at all. However, only banks did not notice the sanctions, although they basically began to put pressure on them. And again, we and you support these banks, although you yourself are forced to eat a little less .. And the banks did not eat even less
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 1 November 2017 08: 56 New
          +1
          Because they don’t remember that there is enough for bread, no one without tomatoes died ....
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 31 October 2017 19: 01 New
        0
        The same as between Polish on 40 and domestic on 80.
        Or did the Polish cost 40, so would they?
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 31 October 2017 20: 30 New
          +5
          look: the Poles sold apples at 40 - this is about one euro. This suits them and covers all expenses and generates income. In Russia, at the same time, apples are also produced and are forced to sell at 40 because the Polish will not be any more expensive. However, the ruble collapsed twice. Polish steels cost 80 and, lo and behold, Russian miracles immediately began to cost 80, too, however, the production costs did not change much, no one doubled their salaries to hard workers. Could chemicals have risen in price? Duck we have almost all of the chemistry for the CX done at home and also sold around the world.
          duck here. Further what else. If the local huckster didn’t double the price, but to about 50 rubles, then through Belarus and Serbia the Poles would not have driven their apples, because it would not have become profitable and difficult to compete. However, the greed of the locals does not allow them to play smartly and as a result, they will soon receive a return from foreign manufacturers and fierce competition and begin to complain and lament that they are not living well ...
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 1 November 2017 15: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: AwaZ
            However, the greed of the locals does not allow them to play smartly and as a result, they will soon receive a return from foreign manufacturers and fierce competition and begin to complain and lament that they are not living well ...

            fine! and how do you propose to convince local "play smart"?
            I have one option. you, you personally, take a loan, build a farm, grow an apple orchard there and start selling apples for 40! God, that could be easier! wink
            but you certainly will not begin to do this, and if you do this, then we will not see 40 apples each. Do you know why? by the fact that these are your apples and you don’t have any reason to sell them for 40 when you can sell them for 80. for 80 of your personal ones you will repay the loan, pay the salary, buy the necessary fertilizers and materials, and of course also to your beloved.
            you will certainly be outraged to feed someone at YOUR expense!
            Now you understand why apples are 80?
            and apples of 40, each and 20, could be in the USSR when it was not YOUR apples but state ones.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 31 October 2017 21: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        what is the relationship between the dollar and domestic tomatoes?


        You will laugh ... But this question must be addressed to the government and the Central Bank and cool to ask: what, mmmllinnn, communication ???
        It's me - frankly without jokes ...
        This connection is poked like ... a drunk dog will not always stick it there, like our government and the Central Bank ...
        PS Let then connect this connection ... laughing ... with indexation of pensions ...... and rising prices ... and not the invented interest rate of ruble inflation ...
    2. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 19: 16 New
      0
      In Russia in 2016, 7,8 thousand tractors were produced
      In Russia - in the sense of Canada? And we have twisted Tajiks.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 31 October 2017 19: 25 New
        +1
        I specifically provided a link. You can read and make sure that not everything twisted by Tajiks is from Canada.
  7. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 31 October 2017 16: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: alekc73
    Everything is not as good as the author writes. How much are tomatoes from greenhouses in winter. Horror. More expensive than import. Turks can take the price.

    We now have 99 p 90 kopecks. Cucumbers as well. They are inferior to home tastes, but it always has been ... drinks
  8. Fox
    Fox 31 October 2017 16: 57 New
    +2
    What nonsense ... I work in trade. Tomatoes, lemons and other greens were ALWAYS sold, despite the "sanctions." Only the country was the importer, such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Crimea, etc. ... who has any fantasies was enough.
    1. garnik
      garnik 3 November 2017 18: 57 New
      0
      And before the sanctions, Turkish tomatoes were mixed with local ones and sold as homemade ones. Almost all dealers do not disdain this.
  9. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 17: 04 New
    +9
    Straight-through article! Everything with our products is excellent! Here are just the prices such that Mama Do not Cry!
    1. Yurasumy
      31 October 2017 17: 30 New
      +5
      Right weeping wall. I realized everything is bad, we will all die tomorrow.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 17: 31 New
        +1
        Not us, but you! Not us, but you!
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 31 October 2017 21: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Straight-through article! Everything with our products is excellent! Here are just the prices such that Mama Do not Cry!


      You and your relatives swell from hunger ???
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 1 November 2017 16: 59 New
        0
        Do not fatten. Let's just say that you have to save on food, although it doesn’t work, because everything that is relatively inexpensive or practically pure chemistry (stew, pastes, sausages, etc.) Either sold with so much ice that it just becomes unprofitable (ice cream fish, vegetable mixtures, frozen mushrooms) Anything else you should write about our products? I just see that you don’t go to the store, or you live alone.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 3 November 2017 11: 50 New
          0
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          Anything else you need to write about our products? I just see that you don’t go to the store, or you live alone.


          It’s a pity that I couldn’t answer in time ... But maybe you will return to your comment and read my answer ...
          I don’t go shopping because I haven’t left the apartment for many years ... But my wife goes, and I know about prices and assortment approximately ...
          Here I will give you an example that he gave to others in conversations when they started to complain (I'm afraid to say: I give you advice ...) ...
          1. Try instead of sausages and pastes to take natural meat and cook various first and second dishes from it ... Now there are both frozen kangaroo antelopes in the guise of beef and chilled farmers local beef-pork-lamb ...
          It seems expensive? And you try, and count ...
          2. Remember ordinary Russian cereals ... Both useful and inexpensive ...
          3. As for vegetables ... I don’t know what region you live in ... If there is no talk in the North, Chukotka, Kamchatka ... You’re talking about frozen vegetables and mushrooms ... But in White Kamchatka then you could dry yourself ...
          4. With fish - yes, a problem ... But it’s not as terrible as you say ... A water ice-maker ALWAYS was present and is present in any frozen product ...
          In general, the devil is not so terrible as he is painted ...
          With respect to YOU, I am a pensioner, disabled person (so that you don’t think about me that I am a pot-bellied bourgeois ... From a bourgeois in me, only a belly) ... laughing hi
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 3 November 2017 16: 36 New
            +1
            :-) No, I didn’t think anything bad about you! In fact, my gardens are saving me. I grow potatoes, carrots, beets, cabbage, onions, garlic and a bunch of greens myself. But here it turns out that I do not eat vegetables thanks to power, but contrary to it. I agree with you on porridge, in the diet there are also oat and rice and buckwheat, because I lead a healthy lifestyle, but this is again not thanks. I have to buy products for three, myself, my wife and a child, he is allergic and a lot of money is spent on special baby food, we turn out we don’t release our good mixes at all! Our meat is expensive, pork an average of 290-370, beef 350-500 per kilogram, these are local producers, and my salary is about 30 thousand, my wife does not work and receives only to care for the child. We are waiting for another child. So I ask you to explain to me how the unemployed to live three together for 30 tr
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 5 November 2017 19: 55 New
              0
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              So I ask you to explain to me how the unemployed to live three together for 30 tr


              Mdaaaaa ... Here recently, one young governor, it seems (or the mayor?) Spoke out on the subject: "If a man receives less than 30 thousand, then he ... khe-khe" ... Well, the prime minister said better: "There is no money but you hold on "...
              What can I tell you? Yes ... As prime minister ... There is nothing left ..
              But you called meat prices reasonable ... We have even a little - a bit more expensive ...
              Your problem is that the child is allergic ... Looking at what the allergy, or even porridge, you can’t feed ...
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 6 November 2017 08: 49 New
                0
                I'm holding on! There is nothing left to do. He has an allergy for almost everything! Eats only zucchini, buckwheat, broccoli, cauliflower and rabbit. A sort of exquisite little boy. These are the deputies who rule us.
  10. Svetlana
    Svetlana 31 October 2017 17: 47 New
    +3
    What is such a provocation with the su-24. Knocked him down. The pilot died. Author, this is not a provocation!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 18: 11 New
      10
      Quote: Svetlana
      What is such a provocation with the su-24. Knocked him down. The pilot died. Author, this is not a provocation!

      But you are an interesting character, however ...

      This is still a provocation, be afraid yes
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 31 October 2017 18: 20 New
        0
        Which is. Provocation is incitement, but in this case it is not it.

        And the passage to the person is fucking right. Keep it up!!!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 20: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: Svetlana
          And the transition to personality is fucking right

          This is not a "passage". I was just a little surprised - I didn’t think that such people still remained ... Who were they? At least - "black foreman", right? wink
          Quote: Svetlana
          Provocation, this is incitement, but in this case it is not it

          On a statewide scale, this is precisely it. And provocation is not incitement at all.
  11. groks
    groks 31 October 2017 19: 13 New
    +3
    Purchasing demand is falling. So it may turn out that the "investors" will be in flight, and the greenhouses will begin to close. Nevertheless, in our climate it is a very serious economy in terms of energy consumption.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 31 October 2017 21: 58 New
      0
      Quote: groks
      Purchasing demand is falling. So it may turn out that the "investors" will be in flight, and the greenhouses will begin to close.


      Hmm ... If they are not on the shelves of WTO products, no one will burn ...
      1. groks
        groks 1 November 2017 08: 05 New
        +1
        In profile. Only slower. What difference does it make if the majority of the population cannot buy enough products to cover growing costs?
  12. groks
    groks 31 October 2017 19: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: ImPerts
    I specifically provided a link.

    But in vain. This is the Canadian Rostselmash.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 31 October 2017 20: 05 New
      0
      And whose iPhones? American or Chinese?
      1. groks
        groks 1 November 2017 08: 06 New
        0
        And who benefits?
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 31 October 2017 20: 23 New
      +4
      the modern tax system is thus arranged that it is absolutely not important whether it is Canadian or Russian. The most important thing is that it works in Russia. Sadly, in any version of taxes Russia would not receive any more from this if it were completely Russian.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 31 October 2017 20: 29 New
        +4
        2000-2017
        In 2000, an investor appeared - the New Commonwealth industrial union.
        In June 2004, the production of the VECTOR combine was launched.
        In 2005, Rostselmash received a medal at the SIMA-2005 innovation competition (France).
        In the spring of 2007, Rostselmash begins mass production of the 5 combine of the ACROS 530 performance class.
        In the fall of 2007, Rostselmash acquired a tractor plant in Canada - “Buhler VERSATILE (Eng.) Russian.”
        In 2008, Klever became a part of Rostselmash, producing fodder harvesting, trailed and mounted equipment.
        In 2009, the company starts production of the new 7 combine harvester in the performance class - the TORUM rotary combine. At the same time as the rotary combine, the company is manufacturing two more types of machines: the RSM 1401 forage harvester and the universal mowing machine (KSU).
        In 2009, Rostselmash acquired part of the assets of the American company Red Ball to develop the production of sprayers.
        Harvester ACROS 530 for harvesting in Transnistria
        In 2010, assets of the American company Feterl Manufacturing Corp. were acquired. In the same year, the Rostselmash lineup consists of 18 types of agricultural machinery and more than 100 models and modifications of combines, tractors, forage trailed and mounted equipment, and equipment for storing and processing grain.
        12-13 On July 2010, the World Record for Tillage was set by Rostselmash (Russia) and Gregoire Besson (France). [9]
        In 2011, Buhler Industries Inc, controlled by Rostselmash, acquired the assets of a Canadian manufacturer of sowing and tillage equipment and other Ezee-On Manufacturing. This allows Rostselmash to provide a full range of equipment that may be in demand during the agricultural year.
        In 2012, Rostselmash launched two new VERSATILE tractor series with up to 575 horsepower. - C 3 and D 2.
        In January 2014, for the first time in the Olympic movement, a combine harvester was used as a torch bearer. ACROS 580 is participating in the Olympic Torch Relay in Rostov-on-Don. [10]
        In October 2014, Rostselmash began production of the new RSM 161 combine harvester. The official presentation of the harvester was held at the international exhibition "Agrosalon" in Moscow. [11]
        In 2014, Rostselmash took the 198 line in the Forbes ranking: 200 of the largest private companies in Russia [12]
        At 2016, Rostselmash launched the first Versatile-2375 tractors in Rostov-on-Don, the production of which was moved from Canada [13]
        In 2017, the Rostselmash plant increased its production. January was marked by the release of more than 500 combines, which exceeded last year's figures by 70%. [14]
        1. groks
          groks 31 October 2017 20: 45 New
          +1
          Well, maybe enough to drive money into Canadian and American production? A screwdriver in Rostov - there is something to brag about, there is.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 21: 03 New
            +8
            Quote: groks
            A screwdriver in Rostov - there is something to brag about, there is

            Well, not only in Rostov, and not only a "screwdriver" ...

            1. groks
              groks 1 November 2017 08: 16 New
              +1
              not just a screwdriver ...
              The photos shown here are not just casting and stamping, there is no processing at all. So the screwdriver is alive.
              This is certainly not bad - 100 people got a job. But they can lose it at once - there are plenty of cases. And the "domestic" motors will end just as instantly.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 2 November 2017 22: 29 New
                +7
                Quote: groks
                The photos shown here are not just casting and stamping, there is no processing at all. So the screwdriver is live

                The production will be carried out machining of the cylinder block, cylinder head, crankshaft and engine assembly. Localization will be 30%, Interfax reported. Cylinder block blanks and block heads cast from domestic aluminum are supplied by the Nemak company from the Ulyanovsk plant ...


                Screwdriver? Yes la la ...
                As for me, for a start it’s not bad ...
                Quote: groks
                This is certainly not bad - 100 people got a job. But they can lose it at once - there are plenty of cases. And the "domestic" motors will end just as instantly

                Everything happens in this life. He was looking for work for two years, until he found request
                And the motors ... but they are unlikely to end so at once. Production is working, profit is dripping ... why would you take it like this and curtail it, it would seem?
                1. groks
                  groks 3 November 2017 08: 29 New
                  0
                  Trollism. Tied up.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 12: 30 New
                    +8
                    Quote: groks
                    Trollism

                    (Censorship). You are already another time when you poke your nose into your heap, frantically trying to keep your face clean.
                    The only way to do this is not do heaps to write nonsense.
                    It’s not available to you.
                    Quote: groks
                    We tie

                    Give commands to your wife in the kitchen. You are nobody to me, and there is no way to call you.
                    That's something like yes
                    1. groks
                      groks 3 November 2017 12: 45 New
                      0
                      Trollism. Tied up.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 3 November 2017 14: 24 New
                        +8
                        Quote: groks
                        Trollism. Tied up.

                        Wedge Hilo, hike ...
  13. Dedall
    Dedall 31 October 2017 19: 32 New
    +3
    We have such a strange country that first of all people think about the benefits of foreigners. That is, as soon as the import of Turkish tomatoes is allowed, the Russians will immediately stop growing. The laws of the market, however! The cost of Turkish will be less.
    And if you think so, then everything is more expensive. And we sell our hydrocarbons only because we only have them. And if not for them, now there would be no our state. And therefore, the restriction on the import of other people's goods into Russia seems to me the only way to maintain statehood.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 31 October 2017 20: 03 New
      +1
      Everything will be complicated. The greed of our "business captains" can ruin any good idea. even if they are given free heat from the CHP. all the same, they will drive prices for clouds for vegetables. An example of this is gas. Gazoviks groan all the time that they have losses in the domestic market. This is how I would go out into my garden and sob as my expensive
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 20: 57 New
        +9
        Quote: Cossack 471
        Gas workers groan all the time that they have losses in the domestic market

        This is true when compared with the profit they receive from exporting.
        Prices for gas and electricity inside the Russian Federation - well, very humane. And if one of the sajchas starts talking about “electricity for China for a penny,” I’ll gobble it up. I'm hungry yeah laughing
    2. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 20: 48 New
      +2
      According to the "laws of the market" our country should not exist at all.
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 31 October 2017 21: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: groks
        our country should not exist at all

        Yes. And she is, and those who break in disappear.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 31 October 2017 22: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Dedall
      And we sell our hydrocarbons only because we only have them. . And therefore, the restriction on the import of other people's goods into Russia seems to me the only way to maintain statehood.


      Hmm ... Look, google ... We only have proven gas reserves - in the first place in the world ... And the rest - including gas - there are many more ...
      But, with the current economic policy of the government-they will stop buying hydrocarbons from us, and then what ???
      Just do not tell me that we will fill the budget by selling weapons and agricultural products ... This is not even funny ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 22: 33 New
        13
        Quote: weksha50
        ... cease to buy hydrocarbons from us, and then what?

        There was a hedgehog. I forgot how to breathe. And died

        This is me about the non-purchase of hydrocarbons, if it is not clear from the context.
        They won’t stop buying. And to buy it "from us" - for this they work ... well, very many. Including VKS in Syria. You don’t think, I hope that the Russian Federation has gone there only in order to protect Assad? wink
        Well, okay, we decided, for example, to buy from us. And who? LNG at the Amertians? Expensive (heifer - half, yes, rupe transportation), and the Americans are partners ... unpredictable ...
        Why, here they shout, the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Russian Federation in general behaves "like suckers and terpils"? Woodpeckers shout it ... The Russian Federation behaves according to the rules and is predictable ... and in trading, the reliability of a partner is perhaps the most important thing. And predictability.
        Therefore, everything will be bought the same ... and most likely, "with us." request
        Everything, naturally, strictly IMHO yes
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 31 October 2017 22: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This is me about the non-purchase of hydrocarbons, if it is not clear from the context


          Ahem ... I, in general, dedicated my commentary answer to Daedalus ...
          And I also had in mind that case - LNG purchases from Amers - that you can foolishly and ... break your arm ...
          BUT - again, I repeat: while the budget of the Russian Federation very much depends on the sale of hydrocarbons ... And in Syria we are again for the same reason that the Qatari gas does not go to Europe ... At least, this is one of the reasons ... hi
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 1 November 2017 10: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: weksha50
            in Syria, we are again for the same reason that the Qatari gas does not go to Europe ...

            In Syria, Russia, first of all, in order to break the American system of global domination, now everyone sees that America can be sent and nothing will come to you if it flies to Russia, and bonuses in the form of pipelines, arms trade, and everything else are attached to it , that is, it is also a profitable business to break Americans off.
  14. weksha50
    weksha50 31 October 2017 21: 25 New
    +1
    " The sanctions of Europe and the Russian embargo on agricultural products from the EU countries became a real gift of fate for Russian agricultural producers, removed Spain, the Netherlands, Poland and Ukraine from the Russian vegetable market "...

    An exit from the WTO will be a more significant gift ... Stop eating carrot-potato and various celery from Egypt-Israel and other obscure "agricultural producers" who produce all this on sand and stones, and our peasant (seemingly) forgot how to do it in their own land, more adapted to these cultures ......
    PS Well, with all due respect to Putin, I just can’t forgive him for the zeal shown during Russia's accession to the WTO ... At least now I understand how this turned out to be? We feed the aliens, ours - let the paw ... There is no money - but you - hold on (this is DAMOVO, but from the same boiler) ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 21: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: weksha50
      A more significant gift will be the exit from the WTO ...

      On the WTO laid cross ... and no matter how since the end of the fourteenth year.
      The Russian “counter-sanctions” are a direct mockery of WTO norms and rules, don’t you? A kind of trolling wink
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 31 October 2017 22: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        On the WTO laid cross ... and no matter how since the end of the fourteenth year.
        The Russian “counter-sanctions” are a direct mockery of WTO norms and rules, don’t you? A kind of trolling


        Nuuu ... Trolling ... Then I am a troll ... More than once I wrote in VO that we even have potatoes, onions, carrots, radishes, peppers ... what else ... from anywhere but not Russian ...
        Well, for what kind of pizza do I need potatoes from Egypt or Israel ??? Or plums and apples from Spain ???
        I understand - pineapples, bananas and everything else, something that doesn’t grow with us ... But just not potatoes, onions, carrots, apples ... hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 1 November 2017 07: 56 New
          +9
          Quote: weksha50
          Well, for what kind of pizza do I need potatoes from Egypt or Israel?

          Not needed - do not buy. For example, I have a store under my house (and within a radius of 200 meters there are three more, all networked), there, if you wish, you can even find a bald dash ("but - in bulk, everything in bulk" (c) this was advertising once) .
          And being driven means profitable, that means someone is buying. They wouldn’t buy, they wouldn’t carry
          Quote: weksha50
          Nuuu ... Trolling ... Then I'm a troll ...

          You did not understand. "Trolling" (the WTO by the state of the Russian Federation) - refers to the "counter-sanctions", which, I repeat, are a direct violation of the WTO rules. But in a situation where the Russian Federation is “under sanctions,” the WTO cannot do anything about it.
          This is exactly what I consider trolling, and I have a very positive attitude towards it. yes
  15. Sivasa
    Sivasa 31 October 2017 23: 56 New
    0
    Forgive us Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov! Putin turned out to be a wimp.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 2 November 2017 10: 20 New
      0
      Before Putin, the goal was not to be strong. His role was to establish inter-elite consensus, he somehow managed to cope with it. But inter-elite consensus is nothing without common citizenship. Here he screwed up. And the times have come very difficult, and blood as a general civil consensus is necessary, but the authorities cannot, and by and large do not want to.
  16. Sakh
    Sakh 1 November 2017 01: 43 New
    +1
    In Sakhalin, Chinese tomatoes cost 150 rubles, and local greenhouse 200-250 rubles. Local certainly tastier and greener. New complexes are being built, some using Japanese technology. This makes me happy.
  17. Lnglr
    Lnglr 1 November 2017 09: 37 New
    0
    To maintain trends and to create a basis for sustainable development of the industry, the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia considers the transition of potato production to domestic varieties of tubers as the most important task (now in Russia the vast majority of varieties of foreign selection are grown). The program has already been drawn up and its implementation will begin soon. This will cost the country about 10-12 billion rubles, but by the end no one will ever be able to dictate any conditions in vegetable growing to Russia

    Firstly, in Russia, varieties of foreign selection are grown not "in the vast majority", but slightly less than half.
    Secondly, it should be borne in mind that the 12 billion program is designed until 2015, next year something about 800 million is planned for it.
    Thirdly, after 2008, we had no particular problems with potato growing. In this area, we have been independent for almost 10 years.
    The people who write here in the comments about the dominance of imported potatoes are corny incompetent empty bells - the volume of imports ranges from 3 to 6% of the average annual potato market
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 2 November 2017 10: 26 New
      0
      And what, potatoes exhaust the whole range of vegetables? And why was it (the program) accepted only in 2012? Have you tried buying in chain stores say Russian turnips, radishes, garlic, etc.?
      1. Lnglr
        Lnglr 3 November 2017 14: 42 New
        0
        I comment on the topic of potato growing. I give some objective clarification of the material.
  18. erofich
    erofich 1 November 2017 09: 57 New
    0
    The benefit will be the same, even if chain stores do not pick up prices as they do now.
  19. Ave_patriam
    Ave_patriam 1 November 2017 10: 04 New
    +1
    I was very happy for all the Russians unfamiliar to me: "production simply did not keep pace with the growth of consumption of the gradually richer Russian population" drinks
    As for prices: in August, farmers sold tomatoes to us at 25 rubles / kg. From the garden, so to speak. The market price was from 60 to "there is no limit to perfection."
  20. estidea
    estidea 1 November 2017 11: 06 New
    0
    and what is better to sell fertilizers than potatoes?
  21. Max Casas
    Max Casas 1 November 2017 20: 27 New
    +1
    strange things say. In Russia, the problem is not in cultivation but in conservation for a year. There are no good storage facilities. After a series of TV shows about how illegal immigrants are grown in the greenhouses of the Volgograd and Astrakhan regions, they are sprayed with obscure chemicals around the clock and are not ready to eat it (illegal immigrants), then the question arises of tomatoes with a lot of current nitrates kill health. The order of cultivation and processing tolerance where ?? Those and liked tomatoes from Europe that they are grown by standards.
  22. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 4 November 2017 11: 37 New
    +1
    "Turkish tomatoes" did not leave the Russian market, they just ..... became "Azerbaijani". And they will remain so in the future, "in order to avoid future misunderstandings."
  23. rumatam
    rumatam 4 November 2017 21: 12 New
    0
    Sly thing? Have you gathered data from Levada?