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New naval base in the Kuriles: "shock work" for three years?

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"Impact labor" base of the Pacific fleet the Kuril Islands can be built in three years, the admiral says. The senator believes that the creation of the base should go “without rushing jerks.” Why do we need such a base? There is no question for a military expert: this is a preventive measure in case of aggravation of the situation in the Asia-Pacific region.




Recall Kuriles - not just land in the sea. The islands are of military-strategic and economic importance, which is why Japan does not stop the dispute with Russia over the “northern territories”. The dispute stretches for decades; the subject of it are the South Kuril Islands - Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai. In the Kremlin, the islands are considered part of the Kuriles and do not allow a review of their current status.

For Russia, the islands represent the natural front line of the Far Eastern coast of the country and provide for the exit of the Navy ships into the Pacific Ocean. In this regard, the straits between the South Kuril Islands, for which Japan claims, are especially valuable.

Economically, the islands are rich in minerals, fish and seafood.

Because of the protracted “dispute”, relations between Japan and Russia are far from ideal, and each time politicians from Tokyo “express regret” when someone from Russian politicians visits the “northern territories”. Probably soon in Tokyo will be completely upset: the Russians gathered to create a base of the Pacific Fleet in the Kuril Islands.

According to Franz Klintsevich, a member of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, the Navy base in the Kuril Islands will be able to receive any ships, including the first rank. Work to create a base, according to the senator, should begin soon. "Everything goes strictly according to plan, without rush hands", - quotes him RIA News".

Klintsevich also said that the airfield network will be restored on the Kuril Islands, and these works are also associated with the creation of a naval base.

The Russian admiral Valuev estimated: the base of the Pacific Fleet in the Kuril Islands could be built in three years. "Impact work"!

The naval base of the Pacific Fleet in the Kuril Islands by shock work can be created in about three years, says former Baltic Fleet Commander Admiral Vladimir Valuev. “I think that shock labor can create a base in the Kuriles for three years. But it will cost a lot. Before making a final decision on the construction, a serious economic rationale is needed, ”said Valuev RIA News".

He recalled that the Soviet Union had plans to base the forces of the Pacific Fleet on the islands of the Kuril ridge. They were not implemented due to the collapse of the USSR.

According to the admiral, the entry and exit of naval forces from prospective points of basing are problematic: “When I served in the Far East, the issue of locating the ship’s connection of the Pacific Fleet in the Kuril Islands was considered. On the islands it is advantageous to create a base for the only reason - direct access to the ocean. Of the places that were identified as suitable for it by geometry, the difficulties were as follows. The first is a difficult ice situation in winter. The second is the ebb and flow of about six meters. The third is strong winds. ” Hence, the complex infrastructure: the admiral explained that the base must have support forces (icebreakers, tugs), and the piers must synchronize with the water level - to emerge and dive. “The infrastructure that will be needed for the base station is very complex. In addition to the piers, warranty oversight groups and repair facilities are needed to carry out minor repairs on site, ”Valuev told the agency.

Thus, the construction of the Kuriles promises to be costly. Noting that “this situation is costly,” Valuev said that “in order to make a final decision, it is necessary to involve experts and scientists in order to weigh everything”. Otherwise, a new basing point can absorb “all means” allocated for maintaining the combat readiness of all ships of the Pacific Fleet: “This is necessary so that the new basing point, intended to protect the eastern borders of Russia, does not become very costly and does not absorb all the funds allocated for maintaining combat readiness of all ships of the Pacific Fleet ".

Franz Klintsevich’s statement on the establishment of a naval base in the Kuril Islands commented Reedus expert center for strategic conjuncture Oleg Ponomarenko.

In his opinion, the base is a preventive measure in the event of an aggravation of the situation in the Asia-Pacific region. The situation is unstable, and the arms race has recently been going on here. Therefore, construction is as important as ever.

“Relations [between Japan and Russia], in fact, are not settled,” the expert noted. - And all agreements may be irrelevant tomorrow. This may be a worsening of relations with Japan. They can move away from their neat military model to a more aggressive one. In the long term, relations with China may deteriorate. Our current relationship is not forever. ”

Mr. Ponomarenko believes that it is impossible to resolve the protracted dispute over the islands: the Japanese will always claim them. But "the construction of the base closes this question de facto for a long period of time."

"Having built and strengthened, so to speak, we will not leave from there."


In addition, the Russian government takes into account the location of American bases located nearby: “Do not forget about the American bases, Alaska is also close, while they have a serious fleet,” said the expert.

Recall, back in 2016, the Ministry of Defense planned to create on about. Matua's base for the ships of the Pacific Fleet and restore the airfield. The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation spoke of intentions "to restore, and not only restore, but also actively exploit this island."

In February, 2017, Sergei Shoigu, has already announced that a division will be located on the Kuriles. Later, during his visit to Japan, he explained that the division "is being created in the last six years, it is being created not against someone, but exclusively to protect the territory of the Russian Federation."

This is not to say that the plans are not being implemented. Now the Kuril Islands stationed 18-I machine-gun and artillery division of the Eastern Military District. She even has a page on Wikipedia.

It is noted that the headquarters of the division is located in the village. Hot Keys on oh. Iturup. The division itself is remarkable in that it is the only machine-gun and artillery unit in the Russian armed forces.

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The question of the Kuril Islands is a kind of question of honor for Russia. A government that would abandon the islands in favor of Japan for the sake of any foreign policy conjuncture considerations would cause such a decision a storm of popular indignation. “To hand over” the islands would have meant turning the country back to the nineties of the last century, when Russia, this largest fragment of the collapsed USSR, had a very low status in the international arena, and its population turned into “shuttle traders”, homeless, and dying out. Proponents of a strong government in Russia want neither a repetition of the nineties, nor a rejection of the Kuriles.

As for the Japanese, they skillfully use in political games difficult times for Russia, due to Western sanctions and relatively low oil prices. Tokyo talks a lot about economic cooperation with Moscow, however behind these statements an old goal is clearly visible: Russians, return the “northern territories”!

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  1. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 31 October 2017 06: 08 New
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    For starters, at least Mi-14 type PLO helicopters on Matua would be involved! And where were the base moorings for the Mistrals of the memorable? There should be hurts, the Be-12 should still be workers, and generally there should be an accelerated emphasis on amphibious aviation. And if the author trumps the authority of a tongue-tied PR expert, who is often ashamed to listen to, then woe to the author. The bases in the Kuril Islands should be tomorrow, according to the urgent TODAY of pre-war necessity, and only post-Yeltsin admirals can talk about 3 years, which they managed to write off the USSR half-fleet in 3 years at the EBN!
    1. Burbon
      Burbon 31 October 2017 08: 27 New
      +6
      Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
      The bases in the Kuril Islands should be tomorrow

      wassat fool why not yesterday? ... right now, the whole world will throw off 5 rubles and in 3 days we’ll build everything laughing
      1. insular
        insular 31 October 2017 08: 47 New
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        Quote: Burbon
        why not yesterday? ... right now, the whole world will throw off 5 rubles and in 3 days we’ll build everything

        Well, why bother and twist your finger?
        No less strategic point than the same Crimea. Chipped? Not dead?
        1. Burbon
          Burbon 31 October 2017 09: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: insular
          Well, why bother

          are you all right? .... you read the post to which I replied -
          Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
          The bases on the Kuril Islands should be tomorrow, according to the urgent TODAY pre-war need, and only post-Yeltsin admirals should interpret about 3 years,
          , such a nonsense can write a Persian with a childish idea of ​​the plans of the Navy, well, or sofa Kutuzov
          1. insular
            insular 31 October 2017 23: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Burbon
            are you okay?.

            Totally alright.
            Quote: Burbon
            such nonsense can write a Persian with a childish idea of ​​the plans of the Navy

            No. The Far East islands really require fortifications. This need has not ripened now and not even half a century ago. For nothing the Japanese had serious fortifications there. By the way, just on Matua.
            These fortifications are needed yesterday, but it’s clear that it’s fast not to make the conditions wrong. So 3 years is very optimistic.

            Well, to you, in vain you are so sharp. You just didn’t think.
      2. Popovich
        Popovich 31 October 2017 09: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Burbon

        wassat fool why not yesterday? ... laughing

        My dear, the courts are not at your address! they’ve been waiting for you on the censor, there are such builders up to ... (there will be one to the waist.)
        1. Burbon
          Burbon 31 October 2017 09: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Popovich
          My dear, the courts are not at your address!

          in the mirror of your "dear" you will see, learn to read carefully, then think, then write ... eu?
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 31 October 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Do not press, you can and more.
        ...... and there are no other worries.
      4. axiles100682
        axiles100682 31 October 2017 15: 18 New
        +3
        That's right. We had to start building these bases yesterday. Yesterday. But we have what we have. Today it's not too late.
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 31 October 2017 10: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
      only post-Yeltsin admirals could talk about 3 years, which they managed to write off during the last 3 years under the EBN of the USSR half-fleet!

      Breaking - not building! And in 3 years to build a full-fledged Navy base from scratch ?!
      Uncle - you ?!

      "For 3 years" reminded right away:
      5-year-old for 4 years, in 3 shifts, 2 hands, for one salary!
    3. askme
      askme 31 October 2017 12: 21 New
      +5
      All we need to start has already been done: we deployed a runway with all lighting equipment at 1500 m for receiving aircraft up to 30 tons. That is, attack aircraft and Migi-29th Matua can already take. There will be everything else.

      Why Matua, and not the big islands, is elementary: you cannot build a fleet base if it can be covered with MLRS fire from Hokkaido. This is elementary. Hostile aircraft can be completely blocked from Matua in terms of the defense of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Since it is in the center of the ridge. From the extreme islands - no, the flight time is too long. The length of the ridge is 1200 km.
      1. Grits
        Grits 31 October 2017 13: 18 New
        +4
        To accommodate the base VKS, Matua fits perfectly. In addition, thanks to the Japanese, there is already a lot ready. But in terms of arranging the naval base there will be more difficult. There is no suitable bay with depths, complexity of arrangement of moorings. Repair base is not special to create. Therefore, only small mooring piers. Although, even a few RTOs there would be very desirable.
        Yes, and it would be time to replace the tents on the island with the construction of normal, good-quality buildings, since they had already decided on their home base.
    4. 7gor
      7gor 31 October 2017 21: 42 New
      +1
      Don't you think that any action is worse than action
    5. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 31 October 2017 23: 54 New
      0
      Mikhail Zubkov The bases on the Kuril Islands should be tomorrow, according to the urgent TODAY pre-war need

      So why is it necessary to build a naval base, rather than a base station?
      Itself is not local, military academies did not finish ....
      On Wiki found:
      Naval base - the area of ​​the coast and the adjacent section of the sea, providing dislocation (usually dispersed) and a wide maneuver of forces. Able to provide based all types of collateral. Distinguish as a complex of structures and as a formation.

      Base point
      Base point - A section of the sea or river coast with adjacent water area, equipped for parking and all types of support for ships (vessels). Depending on the purpose and nature of the engineering equipment, the basing points are divided into basic, maneuverable basing, supply, and also parking places.
      Main locations Designed for safe parking of ships (vessels) and units in a given degree of combat readiness, restoration of combat readiness, conducting combat training and ensuring versatile activities both in peacetime and in wartime.
      Maneuverable basing points serve for the integrated support of groups (detachments) of formation ships or dissimilar forces and are equipped with coastal and floating basing facilities in ports and in undeveloped bays and bays that have natural protection against waves and winds. In such basing points, supplies, inter-passage repairs and priority emergency and recovery measures, ship parking, maintenance by personnel, and so on are provided.
      Supply Points Intended for replenishment of stocks of certain types of weapons and other materiel of ships in sheltered bays and ports with the help of coastal and floating means. Parking lots are used for tactical dispersal of ships, are organized in bays and on protected raids and are equipped with barrels and “dead” anchors

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%
      D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%
      D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0
      I sort of figured out the terms, now swear that the Russian Navy needs to build a naval base and / or a bunker in the Kuril Islands, taking into account their physical and geographical position, the economic capabilities of the Russian Federation, and the military-political situation in the Asia-Pacific region ....

      Yes, I almost forgot the naval base in Novorossiysk, have modernized, multiply by ..... and get the construction time with "0" built Navy in the Kuril Islands ....

      I hope I have not offended anyone ....

      And the whole 18 PULAD, along with the 68 m AK where it enters, it would be time to transfer the Russian Pacific Fleet, especially since such formations were created on other fleets of the Russian Navy (KChF RF - 22 AK, KBF RF - 11 AK, KSF - 14-th AK), it's time for her to turn into a full-blooded RBS, and not to understand that ....
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 October 2017 06: 09 New
    +4
    In the Kremlin, islands are considered part of the Kuril Islands and do not allow a review of their current status.

    Oleg, hi ! ... this is a very correct foreign policy of the Kremlin regarding the Kuril Islands .. good God forbid, the future president will reconsider this question !!!
  3. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 31 October 2017 06: 37 New
    +5
    Under Stalin would be built twice as fast lol
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 31 October 2017 06: 46 New
      +5
      “Going quietly - the master’s business is afraid” (Fomenko). The main thing is to start and not refuse later on. Here is the "joy" for the Japanese, and the Americans will simply have to be "happy" for us.
    2. midivan
      midivan 31 October 2017 06: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Under Stalin would be built twice as fast lol
      Year maximum! Also bins fellow would dig for "Bastions" Schaub in the wind did not freeze.
    3. insular
      insular 31 October 2017 08: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Under Stalin would be built twice as fast

      Under Stalin, they didn’t build it like that ... They started something and left it right there.
    4. Burbon
      Burbon 31 October 2017 08: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Under Stalin would be built twice as fast

      and during construction they would kill 5 thousand prisoners .....
      1. Military Builder
        Military Builder 31 October 2017 11: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Burbon
        and during construction they would kill 5 thousand prisoners .....

        Burbons
      2. Grits
        Grits 31 October 2017 13: 26 New
        +3
        Better than prisoners. preferably American
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 31 October 2017 23: 57 New
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          Quote: Gritsa
          Better than prisoners. preferably American

          By the way, the idea is that North Korean workers are idle there, and here they will earn money and steal less from our treasury ...
    5. ID90
      ID90 31 October 2017 12: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Under Stalin would be built twice as fast lol

      Now the main thing is not the result, but the development of money.
      and Putin before Stalin, as before China with cancer.
    6. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 1 November 2017 04: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Under Stalin would be built twice as fast

      What’s stopping right now? "Just" increase the number of convicts in the country 2-3 times ..... am
  4. your1970
    your1970 31 October 2017 06: 42 New
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    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Under Stalin would be built twice as fast lol

    Under Stalin, we would all not be in VO, but would wave
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 31 October 2017 09: 01 New
      +1
      It is difficult for the first 10 years, and then they would get used to it. The same DPRK, lives by the precepts of Stalin. In the afternoon, you will not see the teetering people, all plow and sow, plan and saw! With much more modest resources, they managed to create nuclear weapons, contain a huge army, and would not be surprised if they launch an astronaut into space.
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 October 2017 11: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
        It is difficult for the first 10 years, and then they would get used to it. The same DPRK, lives by the precepts of Stalin. In the afternoon, you will not see the teetering people, all plow and sow, plan and saw! With much more modest resources, they managed to create nuclear weapons, contain a huge army, and would not be surprised if they launch an astronaut into space.
        - even me, NOT a liberal, life in North Korea does not inspire ...
        And by the way, even under the living Stalin in the USSR, quite a lot of officials managed to live quite well for the present .. maid(L.Orlova) in the "Cheerful guys" of an official (negative hero) and a disabled wife - in the country of the victorious proletariat ?? Look at old films, there such turns often flash ....
        And how many bugs from the defense industry did all sorts of crap in temporary detention facilities, how much dough of the people went into the pipe, how many dough / bonuses and other benefits were shared, and how sideways it got into the war - a separate big topic ....
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 1 November 2017 03: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          And by the way, even under the living Stalin in the USSR, quite a lot of officials managed to live quite their own life ... Where did the servant (L.Orlova) from the official have “Fun Children”?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 1 November 2017 03: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            And by the way, even under the living Stalin in the USSR, quite a lot of officials managed to live quite their own life ... Where did the servant (L.Orlova) from the official have “Fun Children”?

            Under Stalin, high-ranking officials, party workers were building apartments with a servant’s closet ... the wives of high-ranking officials, party workers were ordered to appear at the “sabantui” in luxurious ball gowns and diamonds (for which diamonds were sold at a great discount. ..).
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 31 October 2017 10: 10 New
      +6
      Well, someone waved a kyle in the country is enough. A whole column 5 there, in a row, maybe 6 I ..... We built in columns and march on the Kuril Islands, with a red reformer at the head.
      1. Grits
        Grits 31 October 2017 13: 30 New
        +4
        I propose to build prisons, zones and other correctional facilities in the Kuril Islands. And no one will run away and get down to business. What for are we feeding such a horde of ogloedov? let them wave Kyle
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 31 October 2017 13: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Gritsa
          What for are we feeding such a horde of ogloedov?

          did you pay a lot of taxes?
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 1 November 2017 03: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          I propose to build prisons, zones and other correctional institutions in the Kuril Islands

          We’ll send you there the first “swallow" ...
    3. Abel
      Abel 1 November 2017 20: 31 New
      0
      1. Everyone will not be imprisoned; 2. You did not look at the statistics: whom and for what? 3 It was not Stalin who planted it.
    4. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 11 November 2017 15: 02 New
      0
      laughing drinks That is exactly what we would build
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 31 October 2017 06: 43 New
    +5
    including first rank.
    on Matua there is no such possibility yet! And will it ...
    1. insular
      insular 31 October 2017 08: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      on Matua there is no such possibility yet! And will it ...

      Hello fellow countrymen hi
      As I imagine the Navy base in the Kuril Islands, it becomes so funny for me.
      Well, there are strengthened points, air defense, and something like that - that's okay. But the climate and weather conditions are such that with the supply it is somehow not for the base of the Navy ...

      In short, bluffing and raising rates on the issue of "northern territories". Like, either you shut up and agree to joint development as a maximum of good neighborly relations and the conditions for signing a “peaceful” one, or you get the island’s militarization. So it looks more real.
      1. user
        user 31 October 2017 10: 17 New
        +2
        But the climate and weather conditions are such that with the supply it is somehow not for the base of the Navy ...


        This did not bother the Japanese, and even now it doesn’t really bother. Although the Japanese islands have to say the climate will be softer.
        1. insular
          insular 31 October 2017 23: 07 New
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          Quote: user
          This did not bother the Japanese, and even now it doesn’t really bother

          Yes, the Japanese fortifications were serious there, for that time.
          Now, this will not work. climate. ice conditions. seismic (and I must say that Matua is a volcano). This does not happen quickly and cheaply.
          Anyway, it’s worth ten times to think about whether there is a need for a 1-rank?
      2. Shadow of darkness
        Shadow of darkness 31 October 2017 19: 59 New
        +1
        In addition to the climate, there is also a seismic environment that will not let you relax, plus that the sleeping volcano is not the skeleton. Somehow it will not work out very well if the base has to be evacuated in the event of a raging volcano, and even during a typhoon or a frozen sea. what
      3. aiden
        aiden 1 November 2017 01: 47 New
        0
        why do we need a peace treaty with them, what will it give Russia? For me it is a filkin letter. Can you explain to me? otherwise nobody says why he is. He will not remove NATO bases from Japan, we have trade with them, we have their plants, they buy goods from us.
  6. midivan
    midivan 31 October 2017 06: 52 New
    +5
    [/ quote] Otherwise, the new basing point may absorb “all the funds” allocated for maintaining the combat readiness of all Pacific Fleet ships: “This is necessary so that the new basing point, designed to protect the eastern borders of Russia, does not become very expensive and does not absorb all the funds dedicated to maintaining the combat readiness of all ships of the Pacific Fleet. "[quote]
    I also have a problem, to collect the oligarchs and offer them to save money like a loan, but as we get rich we will give it back, still their good will be protected smile , GDP already has experience, I recall an appeal to Miller - will you help build the Olympiad? - Of course, help answered Miller. And in the eyes of longing was visible, but there is someone to help, if there was a desire and there would be money yes
    1. aiden
      aiden 1 November 2017 01: 49 New
      0
      for example, Miller can find decent money for the construction. and in particular, to prohibit the financing of football clubs from the budget and state corporations
  7. Oleg Andreev
    Oleg Andreev 31 October 2017 07: 28 New
    +1
    Not Mona, but Nuno for a long time and not only in the Kuril Islands, but also in Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Syria, Serbia, Mongolia, Art.
    wounds BRICS, And then all the same talk about "friendship"!
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 31 October 2017 08: 18 New
      +1
      If we go back to Lourdos it's already gorgeous. We are already in Syria, and Vinisuela and Nicaragua "grandmother wondered for two"
  8. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 31 October 2017 07: 49 New
    +2
    “I think that with shock work, the base in the Kuril Islands can be created in three years. But it will be costly. Before making a final decision on construction, a serious economic justification is needed. ”

    I can imagine how much private construction companies will drink (because there is no "Spetsstroy" already, but he, too, was not averse to stealing) ....
    To begin with, let the base point even be created, there’s still nothing to be based there, except, except for the maritime border forces of the FSB of the Russian Federation ....
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 31 October 2017 08: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    including first rank.
    on Matua there is no such possibility yet! And will it ...

    Who can explain to me: why is this Matua so remarkable that it is only convenient to base there?
    1. insular
      insular 31 October 2017 08: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Monarchist
      Who can explain to me: why is this Matua so remarkable that it is only convenient to base there?

      It is enough to look at the island to understand that the fort cannot be better


      And this is actually the gateway to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk - almost the center


      If unsinkable aircraft carriers exist, they look like Matua.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 31 October 2017 12: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: insular
        If unsinkable aircraft carriers exist, they look like Matua.

        I think that it’s just necessary to build an airfield and base for Pacific Fleet on Matua, and on Kunashir, Iturup and some other islands of the Kuril ridge, it’s enough to strengthen the areas with Iskander, Bastions and Balls, so that all this territory is shot through without any blind That is, to create not just an outpost on one island, but a network of islands in order to have a good cover for our ships in the Pacific Ocean, near the Japanese islands, as well as to seal the Sea of ​​Okhotsk tightly, making it essentially our internal.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 31 October 2017 14: 42 New
          +5
          Not only. Personally, my IMHO is that, on Matua our duel will be based - in whole or in part. Now they are based in Vladivostok, which greatly limits their capabilities. In light of the militarization of the region under the pretext of confrontation with the DPRK, the Sea of ​​Japan will soon be completely under the cap of Poseidons. The main weapon of death = stealth. And in such conditions, it’s impossible to pass through the Laperouse Strait or the Korean Strait. So if they remain in Vladik, they will either be constantly under the hood or they will have to secretly go on patrols of the same Kuril Islands bypasses - past Sakhalin. That is, our diesel players get poor logistics and extremely inconvenient patrol routes. Therefore, based on Matua, they fully control the internal Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the straits between the Kuril Islands, expand the patrol radius and can more fully provide security to our strategists deployed in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. soldier
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 31 October 2017 14: 54 New
            +4
            Quote: g1v2
            That is, our diesel players get poor logistics and extremely inconvenient patrol routes.

            Exactly. And not just DEPL. Frets are ambush submarines and extremely slow-moving, which cannot be said about our nuclear submarines, including multipurpose ones.
            Quote: g1v2
            Therefore, based on Matua, they fully control the internal Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the straits between the Kuril Islands, expand the patrol radius and can more fully provide security to our strategists deployed in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.

            I mean the same. And in this regard, we desperately need the Hunter class nuclear submarines, which the Varshavyanki are not. Since, I am sure that in this region there will be, if not the main confrontation, then one of the most important. And we need effective means that would allow us not to lose.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 31 October 2017 15: 23 New
              +3
              In my opinion, a lot depends on how quickly a submarine project with an anaerobic engine rivets. Most likely, the emphasis will be placed on them, and not on Apple. And the confrontation in this region is of course extremely important. This is largely the future development of the country. These are those gates to the ocean, both for trade and for the fleet, which we cannot block without a serious war. hi
              Personally, my opinion is that now for the Pacific Fleet we need a double batch of Varshavyank and MRK to plug holes. But frets and pr are a prospect, but we cannot build them quickly.
              Now the Pacific Fleet needs an urgent serious increase in the number of ships and the volley density cr. Just to control a fairly large area of ​​the fleet’s area of ​​responsibility. soldier
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 31 October 2017 15: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: g1v2
                In my opinion, a lot depends on how quickly a submarine project with an anaerobic engine rivets. Most likely, the emphasis will be placed on them, and not on Apple.

                No ... it’s the Lira-type submarines ... the submarines with VNEU are also slow-moving and, in essence, are more ambush than real hunters. And our strategists require cover and protection. With the power reserve that Varshavyank and VLEU have, our strategists will not be covered as required. Plus the number of multipurpose submarines at the adversary who rivet the Virgins like pies.
                As for RTOs ... here, I think we need to focus on the project of frigates 22350 and 22350M. Especially at 22350M, as these frigates of increased displacement are close to light destroyers.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 31 October 2017 16: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: g1v2
                Now the Pacific Fleet needs an urgent serious increase in the number of ships and the volley density cr. Just to control a fairly large area of ​​the fleet’s area of ​​responsibility.

                The Russian military leadership will consider the possibility of building atomic submarines-robots with a sharply reduced number of crews by automating ship systems. This was reported on February 24 by Lenta.ru with reference to a source in the defense industry.

                He recalled that such submarines - the atomic torpedo submarines of Project 705 (then 705K) Lira - were previously built in the USSR, and new technologies will make it possible to create their more reliable counterparts. According to the expert, the Soviet submarines of this project were not very successful precisely because of the difficult maintenance, which led to long breaks between trips.

                According to the interlocutor of the media, it seems more rational to create a robot submarine of the usual displacement for this class on the basis of proven technical solutions with increasing automation.

                - The crew of such a submarine can be reduced to 50–55, and later to 30–40 people.

                That's what I'm talking about such a project.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 31 October 2017 17: 01 New
                  +2
                  Even if they start to develop something like this, then before the end of the 20s we will not see the result. So far, no serious sources have said that something like that is embedded in Goz or is being taken seriously. request Maybe some of this will be used in the Husky project - wait and see. Strategists in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will be able to safely cover the base, based on the Kuril Islands - the shoulder is not large and convenient geography. The speed here is still secondary in my opinion - stealth is needed.
                  Frigates 22350 are certainly needed - who would argue, but quickly we will not configure them. Plus they have a different purpose. But MRK, we can stamp dozens. Leaving for a production period of 2 years is also quite realistic. That is, due to them, we can relatively quickly increase the density of volleys of Pacific Fleet. request
    2. user
      user 31 October 2017 10: 32 New
      +5
      Who can explain to me: why is this Matua so remarkable that it is only convenient to base there?


      The base of the fleet is best on the island of Simushir located in the middle group of the Kuril Islands ridge in Broughton Bay, the size of the bay (5,5 kilometers in diameter) allows you to conveniently place dozens of large ships in it, and the depth (more than 200 meters) is sufficient for modern nuclear submarines . The island is small - only about 60 kilometers in length with 13 kilometers across in the widest part. The abandoned village of Kraterny is located there, where the 137th brigade for the protection of the water region was based. In the late 1990s, it was abandoned.

  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 31 October 2017 08: 31 New
    0
    If you obey the admiral: it is better to sit on your couch. I think in the General Staff smart people sit and know how to take into account all the conditions
    1. insular
      insular 31 October 2017 08: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Monarchist
      If you obey the admiral

      The admiral said everything correctly. If you can’t imagine what the Kuril Islands are, then it’s better not to speak. It is really expensive, it is really difficult. And the decision must be balanced.
      "To make a final decision, it is necessary to attract experts, scientists, to weigh everything." Otherwise, a new basing point may absorb “all means” allocated to maintain the combat readiness of all Pacific Fleet ships
      Especially in the face of reduced funding.
  11. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 31 October 2017 08: 54 New
    +6
    ... skillfully use difficult times for political games in Russia, which have come up against Western sanctions and relatively low oil prices

    And who designed these difficult times? Aren't those the characters who sold the USSR, then tearing Russia apart and, still in power, continue these endeavors, exporting a couple of budgets a year from the country?
    It’s completely incomprehensible to me why wagging backwards in front of the Japs and costing them eyes, instead of clearly declaring that you will never see islands, either live or die with this.
    Bases must be built on each of the "controversial" islands. Large, small, symbolic, but on each! Close the topic and do not raise it anymore. Narrow-eyed tackles either do not respond, or harshly upset them, sending them to the mountains.
  12. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 31 October 2017 09: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
    “I think that with shock work, the base in the Kuril Islands can be created in three years. But it will be costly. Before making a final decision on construction, a serious economic justification is needed. ”

    I can imagine how much private construction companies will drink (because there is no "Spetsstroy" already, but he, too, was not averse to stealing) ....
    To begin with, let the base point even be created, there’s still nothing to be based there, except, except for the maritime border forces of the FSB of the Russian Federation ....


    I agree that there will be enough base point for the first time. What exactly needs to be developed in the Kuril Islands is air defense, and in the future, missile defense, for the early detection and destruction of enemy aircraft, and, accordingly, a reliable cover for the entire Far East.
    1. insular
      insular 31 October 2017 09: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Xscorpion
      Kurilakh, so this is air defense, and in the future, missile defense, for the early detection and destruction of enemy aircraft

      RCC required (Ka-52 option). And so yes, 1 rank with all the accompanying fleet, there, completely superfluous .. not in those conditions.
  13. Lganhi
    Lganhi 31 October 2017 10: 01 New
    +1
    I do not understand the delight in the comments from the construction of the Navy base on Matua. For the enthusiastic, I explain: Matua is not included in the disputed islands and the Japanese do not claim this island. That is, the construction of the Navy base in Matua, of course, is unpleasant for the Japanese, but not fatal. There is still a chance that the Russians will give them 4 southern islands. The Japanese react violently precisely to visits by Russian politicians to the four southern islands, which they consider their own. A visit to Severokurilsk by Medvedev or Putin will not excite them at all. Whereas Medvedev’s visit to Kunashir’s island fired up their dupes so much that their tantrum began. Therefore, in order to clearly show the Japanese that the Kuril issue is not discussed, it is necessary to build a navy base in Kunashir, in the immediate vicinity of Japan. Then even the most stupid Japanese politicians will understand that demanding the Kuril Islands is already useless.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 10: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: Lgankhi
      Then even the most stupid Japanese politicians will understand that demanding the Kuril Islands is already useless

      Tell me, why does the state of the Russian Federation need it? To "stupid ... understand"?
      As for me - yes, let them ... vibrate, but lips lick.
      Rђ RІRѕS,
      Quote: Lgankhi
      ... build a navy base in Kunashir, in the immediate vicinity of Japan ...

      ... greatly worsen relations between Japan and the Russian Federation. / And who needs it? You probably? And for what purpose do you need it? wink
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 31 October 2017 10: 28 New
        +1
        So you prefer to give Kunashir and other islands of Japan?
        In fact, relations between Japan and the Russian Federation are nowhere worse, a peace treaty has not been signed between us, the Japanese are essentially at war with us, which is why they allow themselves to react.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 October 2017 10: 42 New
          11
          Quote: Lgankhi
          So you prefer to give Kunashir and other islands of Japan?

          No need to think for me, I myself am quite good at doing this. No. I prefer ... not to give No.
          Quote: Lgankhi
          ... relations between Japan and the Russian Federation are nowhere worse, a peace treaty has not been signed between us, the Japanese are essentially at war with us ...

          The two countries are not at war, trading with each other somehow ... and this, in your opinion, is "worse nowhere"? Nude ...
          Contract? And why, in general? wink
          1. nickgv
            nickgv 31 October 2017 11: 11 New
            +4
            It’s not the Japanese who need them: they somehow found a compromise with the Japanese. The United States seeks to establish its base there closer to the shores of Russia - that’s pushing the Japanese.
        2. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 1 November 2017 01: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Lgankhi
          In fact, relations between Japan and the Russian Federation are nowhere worse, a peace treaty has not been signed between us, the Japanese are essentially at war with us, which is why they allow themselves to react.

          Well, let’s say that Japan has not only no peace treaty with the Russian Federation ... all Asia-Pacific countries very much "love" the Japanese ....
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 31 October 2017 12: 47 New
      0
      With 6000 nuclear warheads, is there any point in bothering with a "demonstration of the power" of your navy
    3. Grits
      Grits 31 October 2017 13: 40 New
      +3
      The base should not be shot from Japan with artillery, MLRS and OTR. Therefore, in the South Kuril Islands, the creation of a base is a risky undertaking.
  14. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 31 October 2017 10: 19 New
    +4
    To be honest, the place is strategically convenient, but from all other points of view - lousy. Volcano acting, earthquakes 20 times a year. Tsunami is quite decent at times roll. I have a distant relative there in 1952 that year died when an avalanche collapsed during an earthquake.
    Here, a short video - the eruption of the Sarychev volcano in 2009:
    1. Lganhi
      Lganhi 31 October 2017 10: 52 New
      0
      It is best to build a base in Kunashir.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 31 October 2017 11: 15 New
        +5
        There and so, almost 40 years of years, the 46 th machine-gun and artillery regiment of the 18 th machine-gun and artillery division (military unit 71435) battles a foolishness. Even the "quiet time" for the soldiers entered: 1h. and 5 minutes - an afternoon nap. On 1,5 thousand sq. Km of 8000 population including military. Expensive, you know, pleasure. The Japanese did not attack the USSR even then, and now even more so. There are plenty of other places to put money. hi
        1. Lganhi
          Lganhi 1 November 2017 01: 23 New
          +1
          Kunashir has an area of ​​1500 sq. Km, and Matua, in general, 50 sq. Km. If for you 1500 sq km trifle, then what are you advocating for 50-km trifle? And by the way, the area of ​​Israel 21 is one thousand sq. Km, and the population is almost 9 million. 9 million people per 21 thousand square km is, in your opinion, not "expensive"?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 November 2017 12: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Lgankhi
            Kunashir has an area of ​​1500 sq. Km, and Matua, in general, 50 sq. Km. If for you 1500 sq km trifle, then what are you advocating for 50-km trifle? And by the way, the area of ​​Israel 21 is one thousand sq. Km, and the population is almost 9 million. 9 million people per 21 thousand square km is, in your opinion, not "expensive"?

            There is no need to attribute to me a non-existent. I do not plead for either 50 or 1500. Reread my posts carefully. About Israel in the subject of the speech there. So do not try, dear, to start here srach. Do not fool your head, neither yourself nor others. Sorry for the time. I wish you well. hi
        2. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 1 November 2017 01: 33 New
          +1
          A. Privalov The Japanese did not attack the USSR then, but now even more so.

          Again, Israeli Jews with their eternal "good" advice, you tell your Government the tales of Bazhov, about the absence of the Iranian threat at the borders of Israel ....
          1. your1970
            your1970 1 November 2017 12: 42 New
            +3
            and in what way does Japan attack? They’ll just land and raise the imperial flag ?!
            The meaning of IM to attack a small island - meaning the opportunity to get the SECOND Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
            In connection with small forces Pacific Fleet - we will be forced to respond to any aggression of Japan in this way. They need to? Shout about the occupied territories can, but attack and squeeze - this is a joke.
            And if not an anecdote, then only in the event of a weak-willed liberal direction coming to power in the Russian Federation ...
            In this case - there is at least a continuous runway to all the islands built, a tank army and ten infantry divisions planted - they will still be given, without options ....
  15. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 31 October 2017 12: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Lgankhi
    Do you prefer to give Kunashir and other islands of Japan?

    Somewhere on the Internet, a message flashed that Iturup had already been leaked. I can’t believe it of course, but ... there is no smoke without fire.
  16. kig
    kig 31 October 2017 12: 18 New
    +4
    provide the exit of ships of the navy in the Pacific Ocean

    If it were that simple, then I’m sure that the base would already be there. Well, in my non-military view, owning such a base does not guarantee a free exit. The author, apparently, did not look at the map. The path from the Sea of ​​Japan to the ocean lies through the Laperouse Strait. Especially for the author I explain: this is the strait between Fr. Sakhailn (Russia) and Fr. Hokkaido (Japan). However, after that you find yourself in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and only after that you can take advantage of the “advantages” of the Kuril Islands. We don’t consider the Sangarskiy Strait and other possibilities (let the author look at the Sangarskiy Strait on the globe), and the width of the Laperouse Strait, by the way, is only 40 km with something. And that means what? This means that in the event of an "aggravation of the situation," they will not be able to use it, it will shoot through it. There is also the Tatar Strait (especially for the author: this is the strait between Sakhalin Island and the mainland), and from there you can go to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and from there choose any of the Kuril Straits. Nobody will interfere (unless, of course, you choose the southern straits close to Japan). But in itself there is a narrow neck - the Nevelsky Strait, with depths of only 7 meters, and this is at high tide. Large ships can be reached if the excavator is driven ahead. What is the conclusion? And this: a shallow base on the island of Matua does not guarantee a safe exit to the ocean. If we want to have such access, we must either transfer all Pacific Fleet surface ships to the Kuril Islands, or deepen the Nevelsky Strait, and constantly keep equipment there to maintain it in a seaworthy state.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 31 October 2017 13: 21 New
      +4
      Tatar Ave and Okhotsk freeze in winter. But Matua and the other Kuril have no uninterrupted supply routes.
      1. kig
        kig 1 November 2017 03: 52 New
        +1
        And for sure. I forgot to say. And they freeze very seriously.
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 1 November 2017 00: 54 New
      +4
      Access to the ocean is provided by Kamchatka. You are absolutely right.
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2017 12: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Military Builder
    Quote: Burbon
    and during construction they would kill 5 thousand prisoners .....

    Burbons

    good drinks
  18. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 31 October 2017 16: 37 New
    +9
    Already only one desire has a psychologically favorable effect on the adversary, and when we score the first peg, and when we draw the perspectives together for the forum ... these 3 years will pass unnoticed.
  19. siemens7774
    siemens7774 31 October 2017 17: 31 New
    +1
    On March 27.10.2017, 26, the An-XNUMX landed on Matua Island.
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 31 October 2017 17: 41 New
    +1
    Navy, basing points, garrisons on the Kuril ridge BE! Stop smiling at the “partners,” the USSR was afraid (and therefore respected, because HE was strong!) Malua was in the 80s, it’s a good place, but there are a lot of such submarines and there are surface ships based there. The islands need to be strengthened urgently and quickly - and yesterday!
    1. your1970
      your1970 1 November 2017 12: 54 New
      0
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      The USSR was feared (and therefore respected, due to the fact that HE was strong!)
      -fear not strong - afraid UNPREDICTABLE.
      "A large closet - falls louder" © gang war 90s ...
      Evidence? In the 20th century, France beautifully demonstrated - when she surrendered in a month, having the best army on the continent. And Hitler was just afraid for unpredictability - who could imagine an army attacking the Czechs on taratayki like T-I and T-II.
      Well this doesn’t fit in my head - HOW? !!! !!! How was it possible to have the audacity to attack a neighboring state with SUCH tanks ?? Well armed enough - THIS ??

      ZY Matua - a good place, but HOW to supply the garrison - in case of the slightest opposition ??
  21. kuz363
    kuz363 31 October 2017 18: 15 New
    +4
    Everyone who begins a conversation with the Japanese about transferring the Kuril Islands, including the president for mythical assistance in ecology, medical services, transport logistics and other nonsense, is immediately arrested and put on trial!
  22. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 1 November 2017 00: 25 New
    +2
    In the event of a protracted war, if Russia does not have dominance in the region, how to supply a base on any Kuril island? If you dream in Manilowski, it would not be bad to build a permanent road from the area north of Magadan to Kamchatka, along its western coast (with branches to Petropavlovsk and where you need more) and build a base somewhere at its tip from the west of it. Judging by the map, there is no ice there, as on Matua? If someone “fell in love” with Matua and definitely wants to arrange something there, then from there, from the tip of Kamchatka, it would be possible to supply Matua with the sea. Such a road would generally give impetus to the development of the region, and auto-tourism, in particular.
  23. Galleon
    Galleon 1 November 2017 00: 52 New
    +3
    Hey, native Pacific Fleet, do you need a weak-current engineer for construction there? Take me! I’ll leave the capital to breathe the familiar air, I’ll do the job, younger ...
  24. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 November 2017 04: 06 New
    +1
    Well ... again, the triumph of the "International"! "Destroy everything to the ground, and then ...." First, reduce the number of troops and armaments, abandon uninhabited military camps, and then .... "turn everything back and forth!"
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 1 November 2017 20: 28 New
    0
    Quote: your1970
    Matua is a good place, but HOW to supply the garrison

    And how did the Japanese supply? If you have a head on your shoulders, everything will work out.
  26. v.nosov100
    v.nosov100 5 November 2017 12: 59 New
    0
    To create a base of the Russian Navy in the Kuril Islands, it was necessary to create yesterday.
  27. Igor Egorov
    Igor Egorov 9 March 2018 06: 36 New
    0
    The man correctly says that it’s extremely stupid to place a large amount of weapons on the island and it’s extremely stupid, the volcano is not a Japanese aircraft carrier, it smells ... and that's all in the trash. There is already an airfield on Matua for light transport aircraft and helicopters, and control of the straits can be solved easier by placing hydroacoustic tracking systems at the bottom that will write everything that passes through the straits and building a network, you can close the access of any sea targets to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The Kuril Islands is an extremely difficult and dangerous region from a climatic point of view and you can not live on them everywhere ... and if someone thinks that you can live comfortably in the middle Kuril Islands I will disappoint you ... therefore, pouring a lot of money into their militarization is simply unreasonable .. Japan, you can simply get out of the game by rockets from Sakhalin and Primorye, because with such a population density the Japanese islands are simply doomed and no missile defense can help them.