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Shuvalovs and Dvorkovichs believe that they can escape from Russia when they finish off the economy

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The State Duma began to discuss in the first reading the draft law on the federal budget for 2018 and for the period up to 2020. Already, many politicians and experts argue that the financial document proposed by the Ministry of Finance is in essence the basis for continuing the stagnation of the Russian economy. Moreover, according to the plans of the Siluanov team, the most important articles such as education, health care, the national economy and defense fall under the sequestration.


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  1. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 28 October 2017 09: 46 New
    20
    The Shuvalovs and Dvorkovichi believe that they can escape from Russia

    Under the castle am
    Not quite finished yet
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 28 October 2017 11: 52 New
      11
      It is hoped that after the re-election of the president they will not be! Hopefully ...
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 28 October 2017 12: 41 New
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        Quote: Dashout

        0
        Dashout Today, 11:52 ↑ New
        It is hoped that after the re-election of the president they will not be! Hopefully ...

        Blessed is he who believes, warmth in the world ...
        You cannot burn them out of there with a flamethrower.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 28 October 2017 13: 12 New
        +7
        Dashout
        It is hoped that after the re-election of the president they will not be! Hopefully ...
        Well, if they don’t exist. That will not be Putin. (Judging by your comment.) Ksenia Sobchak will probably bring new boyars to the throne recourse repeat laughing
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 29 October 2017 16: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: Observer2014
          Well, if they don’t exist, then Putin will not be. (Judging by your comment.)

          I do not equate Putin V.V. and the government (both Dvorkovich and Shuvalov are Medvedev’s deputies, as you know. It’s not Putin’s habit to change personnel, whatever they are. It’s enough to recall Zurabov, this ... in science ..., he already forgot ...
          1. parafoiler
            parafoiler 31 October 2017 17: 47 New
            0
            Healthcare ...
            1. Dashout
              Dashout 31 October 2017 19: 19 New
              +4
              Not ... the previous americos was by education and science ... That’s what Putin actually translated to establish Russian-Ukrainian trade relations .. Livanov! butcher his mosquito!
      3. Mourner
        Mourner 28 October 2017 14: 20 New
        +2
        If they stay, demolish them! It is in our power, only it is necessary to tear 5 point from the computer!
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 28 October 2017 14: 51 New
          +8
          Mourner
          If they stay, demolish them! It is in our power, only it is necessary to tear 5 point from the computer!
          So Putin demolish or not? For the above listed Shuvalovs and Dvorkovichs in the team. Or are they on their own? wassat
      4. siberalt
        siberalt 30 October 2017 18: 59 New
        +3
        We hope for 100 years, so what? laughing And as for the demolition of the butlers, then no one will allow this to Putin. Yes, and Putin does not see an alternative. In Russia there are no real parties, but there are fractions with bread places in the Duma and regions. The system needs to be changed. hi
        1. Sergey Kiryushin
          Sergey Kiryushin 31 October 2017 14: 40 New
          +6
          It is not necessary to change the system, but to determine the values ​​in their spirit to educate generations. And with this we have extremes. We’ll smash our foreheads into the blood, proving our Orthodoxness, then we begin to be proud of Stalin’s achievements. And it is necessary to unite it all together, to give in a dosed manner. And it's time to stop criticizing the dead. Mistakes should be mentioned, but the main achievement is the successes of the country in their time, and it is these successes in all historical periods that must be perpetuated without any “buts” and educate generations on them.
          1. Dashout
            Dashout 31 October 2017 19: 21 New
            +3
            And it seems to me that all the leading posts in the ministries were occupied by "sleeping" ...
            how else to explain trampling on the spot ... (except for the defense industry complex)
      5. traktir64
        traktir64 1 November 2017 01: 02 New
        0
        Do not scratch yourself with illusions, Volodya is in charge of everything, he needs these spineless ignoramuses. The king built the whole system. They are like kittens, only meow.)))
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    2. Alikos
      Alikos 29 October 2017 05: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Some Compote
      The Shuvalovs and Dvorkovichi believe that they can escape from Russia

      Under the castle am
      Not quite finished yet

      More than shuval, there are no pests with Dvorkin?
    3. mat-vey
      mat-vey 29 October 2017 09: 59 New
      +3
      And who will close it?
    4. alekc73
      alekc73 29 October 2017 15: 31 New
      +5
      Rather, we all come to a loss than they are brought to justice. What is allowed to the "boyars" is not for ordinary people.
  2. Severok
    Severok 28 October 2017 10: 30 New
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    Confiscate everything from these, even to the extent that they are written on relatives! Make travel abroad and all. It’s just that Vovka won’t do it
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 29 October 2017 10: 01 New
      +1
      Again the same question - who will “confiscate”? Again, call for lawlessness and extremism?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 30 October 2017 19: 14 New
      +1
      In the Russian Federation, confiscation is not provided for by law (except for smuggling, illegal weapons and drugs). What are you about? Confiscation, as an additional form of punishment in criminal law, was abolished by the same Shuvalovs, headed by Yeltsin in the 90s of the last century. lol
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  3. Eurodav
    Eurodav 28 October 2017 11: 39 New
    +9
    Quote: Severok
    Confiscate everything from these, even to the extent that they are written on relatives! Make travel abroad and all. It’s just that Vovka won’t do it

    The beginning is good, but the ending ... Do you think that if you named the President of your country with a vock, and even with a small letter, then you are incredibly cool and will roll up your pluses? I suggest not to fall to the level of cattle ...
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    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 28 October 2017 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Evrodav
      Do you think if you called the President of your country as a foreman
      Please specify what should be called?
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 28 October 2017 18: 00 New
        +5
        Well, at least VV .... and indeed, I read the article, and ... for a long time I could not decide on the reaction to it: I still remember the expression of our guarantor: Government work suits me!... so I’m thinking: who to vote for? Well, there’s no real peasant who can restore order in the country ... it’s offensive, you panim ... for the power!
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 29 October 2017 10: 02 New
          +2
          A man can eat (surely), and who will give him?
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  5. leonid-zherebtcov
    leonid-zherebtcov 29 October 2017 02: 12 New
    +3
    ... you need to do almost Italian, i.e. e. Musolin was hung by the legs, and these figures: shuvalovs, bears, butlers and others, before "leaving for geyrops and the United States," hanged from the "tubers" and properly shredded for prevention ...
  6. andreisib
    andreisib 29 October 2017 03: 23 New
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    It is impossible to defeat stalemate inflation in the economy, as a bear raises energy tariffs and, as a result, tariffs with one hand, while the other fights inflation with the help of nabiulina and economy. government bloc sucking last money out of the economy, they give money to banks only by playing the stock exchange and then they are quickly helped when they lose. All policies of the Central Bank and the government are based on lies. Well, you hold on (for what or for whom?), But you don’t have money (for the people) and you were forbidden to just make money (by tightening the screws), the last territory where you can still be tolerated is Moscow and St. Petersburg, thanks to our excellent SCIENCE STATISTICS we have growth ( from officials) .An average, we eat cabbage rolls, some meat and others cabbage. When these liberals are hanged on the nearest bitch, it is unclear since 1991 that the Chubais, Kudrins, Nabiulins, Shuvalovs, etc. have been harassed by the people, and yes, the new extortionist Oreshkin scoffs at common sense .
    The position of the GDP is not clear, but he sees what this policy leads to if it is mildly wrecking and if it is more rude. With the largest natural resources in the world, estimated at up to $ 800 trillion, RUSSIA exists as a beggar in the United States in the region of 100 trillion. dollars, in 30 years they will have no more than 50 trillion. The global economy is based on lies. The main value now is paper.
    Everything is very simple, the cost has only what can be felt (RESOURCES), and not pieces of paper on the exchange that bring other pieces of paper. The Central Bank needs to be torn off from the Fed urgently.
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 29 October 2017 08: 04 New
      +7
      I agree 100%! There can be no economic growth without, simply, raising the standard of living of the population and, as a result, increasing consumer demand within the state! The fact that we are dishonestly lying is obvious even to the saleswoman in the store, who, clearly sees the increase in food prices, and with the help of simple mathematical calculations can easily prove real inflation!)) So it's funny and sad, and the thief should be in prison, and some -Who will stab ....
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 29 October 2017 10: 03 New
      +7
      GDP position is not clear
      There is a good proverb: say who your friend is and I will say who you are.
      Do you still believe in a “good king”?
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 October 2017 10: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: andreisib
      Ahhhhhhh !!! ...
      The Central Bank urgently needs to be torn from the Fed ...
      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!

      What is this, sorry, for the stream of consciousness? Sweat, blood, sand, and girlish tears ...
      And there are alternatively gifted ones who put pluses there ...
      No, really - "shiz mowed down our ranks" (c) request
  7. Vodila
    Vodila 29 October 2017 07: 53 New
    +6
    I don’t even doubt that it’s ... but castles and palaces over the hill are ready for a long time.
  8. SergF123
    SergF123 29 October 2017 07: 58 New
    +5
    For such a "successful" economy and domestic policy, it is necessary not to imprison, but to punish ...
    1. shvn
      shvn 29 October 2017 09: 13 New
      0
      Sir, are the drop-down lists prepared?
      1. SergF123
        SergF123 30 October 2017 17: 42 New
        +2
        Why do you need eyes, or ears ?! Only a person with limited mental abilities can live in the environment and deny the obvious!) Or you, as in that Soviet list, "Announce the entire list please?" Or are you a provocateur? And are you trying to bring me to a frank call for illegal actions? And what's next? make out the "skin" and start a case of a certain accounting ?!)) Such a ridiculous crap!)))
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 29 October 2017 10: 38 New
      +1
      And Gorbachev seems to have been awarded for the same ...
  9. monah2987
    monah2987 29 October 2017 12: 09 New
    +1
    The Golden Rule of Heroes - Patriots: "First think of the Homeland and then of yourself" !!! Hitlerism crashed into the Firmness of the heroism of sane representatives of the peoples, and now the "greyhounds" and saboteurs-careerists are "loaded". It is a pity the cohesion, mutual assistance, vigilance of ethnic groups and peoples in Russia, the preachers of bloody obscurantism, the capital of the Elites weakened ... But Sanity, Mutual Respect, Mutual Assistance, Human
    the awe is stronger than the "greed of pickpockets" and the colonial plans of capital of the elitists. These are the undeniable "pillars" of victories in VVV !!!
  10. dvornic
    dvornic 29 October 2017 13: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Greenwood
    Quote: Evrodav
    Do you think if you called the President of your country as a foreman
    Please specify what should be called?

    You can’t explain the holy fool. What is the point before throwing beads to pigs?
  11. gendowar
    gendowar 29 October 2017 18: 14 New
    0
    They are no longer in Russia, only fools - they don’t see this!
  12. Abel
    Abel 29 October 2017 18: 17 New
    +2
    An interesting movie with individual comrades: a statement by the prosecutor's office to institute criminal proceedings for embezzlement, departure abroad, a solemn hand-held gesture. A friend of Chubais was stealing, stealing and, apparently, will continue to steal. State representatives in state-owned companies issue themselves multi-million dollar prizes and everything is wonderful
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  13. Sergey Rudov
    Sergey Rudov 29 October 2017 20: 21 New
    +3
    And who will stop them from washing off? They are still successfully washing off. The raven will not peck out the crow's eye.
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    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 29 October 2017 23: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: brats
      An optional shift of climatic zones to one sub, achieved by high-tech - nature-like methods ...

      Did you go to the madhouse, or what?

      Quote: brats
      controlled permacolonial containment ... super-efficient - nature-like resettlement doctrine ... under the order of burry synclitus ... Sobyaninsky genocide generation

      Damn ... but I managed to read it all to the end laughing
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  16. bolkodav68
    bolkodav68 30 October 2017 08: 25 New
    +1
    if the people choose this power, then everything suits him. then the Dvorkovichs and Shuvalovs have nothing to do with it.
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    3. brats
      brats 30 October 2017 09: 25 New
      0
      Everything is much worse, the successor of Ksenia
    4. kalibr
      kalibr 5 November 2017 15: 29 New
      0
      bolkodav68 Finally, at least one clever comment!
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  18. Kazimir Evteev
    Kazimir Evteev 30 October 2017 11: 57 New
    0
    Well, what ... It is quite reasonable. Under the guise of a NATO invasion, sneak into sunny California.
  19. SHAH
    SHAH 30 October 2017 20: 13 New
    +2
    [i] [/ iDvorkovich, Oreshkin and others work under the supervision of Chubais and K * and the feeling that they are also watching the head of state. They write that the economy is growing, the village is getting prettier, but the village is disappearing like the villagers, the economy is slowly skating, oligarchs are stealing, officials are helping them, no one is wetting obvious enemies in the toilet or in Courchevel, there’s nobody to choose from, or ... or the mistress of the brothel DOM-2.
  20. tank64rus
    tank64rus 30 October 2017 21: 42 New
    +1
    Make read Trotsky's biography.
  21. Sergey53
    Sergey53 30 October 2017 23: 01 New
    +1
    I completely agree with the opinion of Delyagin. If they were not sure, they behaved differently.
  22. Damask
    Damask 31 October 2017 13: 14 New
    +1
    It’s interesting and who’s stopping them, for how many years they have been working side by side with the leader and the head
  23. Sergey Kiryushin
    Sergey Kiryushin 31 October 2017 15: 37 New
    +1
    As far as I understand, inflation is not just a rise in prices in a store. As far as I know, inflation is the excess of the money supply over the volume of goods, work and services. Those. The government’s struggle against inflation is not a struggle to lower prices, but to reduce the money supply by increasing these prices. Something like this. Many economists believe that inflation (extra money) can be used as a tool for economic development. Tipo you need to throw in (print more) money and thereby stimulate consumer demand, which will force the manufacturer to work more and produce (sell) more goods. Etc.
    Today, the system is built in such a way that, alas, a decision on the economic issue is made ... The President. Neither Medvedev (obliged), nor Siluanov, nor Oreshkin, nor Nabiullina wants to take responsibility. Although they all must be sure of their own rightness. For this reason, Putin was forced to create for himself an institute of economic advisers, which included completely different economists and they offer him various solutions. This is one of the problems when in the country's leadership, sorry, only one person with eggs. And he cannot be faultless in the absolute.
    But changing the system as many have suggested will not work. It is simply impossible to take and do something there with these officials, because, as in any country in the world, they represent the interests of various financial and industrial groups. And such radical actions overnight can unbalance the whole system. The war of these groups is the "Maidan". Well, one should not expect good from the same Dvorkovich who wrote the tax part of the economic reform of the 2000s under the control of the IMF. Although it is very good that he is only an assistant. But you can whisper in your ear ...
  24. Passed by
    Passed by 1 November 2017 11: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: mat-vey
    so I’m thinking: who to vote for?

    What is bad Kalashnikov Leonid Ivanovich? https://kprf.ru/personal/kalashnikov
  25. Aspan
    Aspan 1 November 2017 16: 48 New
    +1
    And what does Shuvalov and Dvorkovich have to do with the law adopted by the State Duma, the Federation Council and approved by the President? Do you consider all deputies stupid pawns who do not understand anything and do not want to delve into the budget figures?
    And the second: the sequestration would not have included “such most important articles as education, healthcare, the national economy and defense” and, I’ll add, other articles of important expenses, if there weren’t huge, irrevocable, unstoppable expenses for “Krymnash” and its arrangement, to Eastern Ukraine (at least those 70 Humcon convoys that have already been officially committed), to intervene in the war in Syria (hundreds of millions of rubles a day!) ...
    1. Romey
      Romey 2 November 2017 23: 16 New
      0
      And what does Shuvalov and Dvorkovich have to do with the law adopted by the State Duma, the Federation Council and approved by the President? Do you consider all deputies stupid pawns who do not understand anything and do not want to delve into the budget figures?

      Of course, our deputies are not stupid, but the fact that these are pawns, only very wealthy is for sure ...
      And the second: the sequestration would not have included “such most important articles as education, healthcare, the national economy and defense” and, I’ll add, other articles of important expenses, if there weren’t huge, irrevocable, unstoppable expenses for “Krymnash” and its arrangement, to Eastern Ukraine (at least those 70 Humcon convoys that have already been officially committed), to intervene in the war in Syria (hundreds of millions of rubles a day!) ...
      Again 25. Crimea, New Russia. And here the hell. These tasks have been and will continue to be if the current Russian Federation hopes to regain the proud name of the past years - Russia. Well, let's say, in Syria, the operation is really absolutely optional, moreover, harmful and extremely risky, purely from the military-political point of view, diverting forces and means from the main front - the Ukrainian, but the whole salt of our troubles is different, namely in the semi-colonial, comprador way of life economy as a whole. She is not able, in principle, to solve any problem in the country. Here to take the problems of education and health. Yes there now how much money doesn’t swell at the exit will be only a victim of the exam and the "family doctor". But who am I talking about?
  26. serge siberian
    serge siberian 2 November 2017 19: 02 New
    0
    It’s enough to take an accountant from the provinces with experience from 10 years to 30 years, he will formulate new laws for you and make up the budget with dignity, if they allow him. And these people (I apologize for the comparison) are not even able to honestly admit their insolvency for the people, because they consider him "cattle." And that organizations and firms do not earn money, but people without whom these companies are empty words.
  27. Ramzan 01
    Ramzan 01 2 November 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    They will run away and you won’t do anything, as the guarantor of corruption Putin is their friend.
  28. JETFLAG
    JETFLAG 3 November 2017 16: 30 New
    0
    Guys! Well Then it seems we have already hinted who will be the president:
    Vladimir Putin made a bet on Sergei Kiriyenko before the 2018 presidential campaign, not because he was worried about its outcome. Kiriyenko’s appointment is an attempt to modernize the management of the country, and specifically the regions, on the model of Rosatom. read carefully
    http://www.forbes.ru/biznes/351671-yadernaya-ener
    getika-sergeya-kirienko-hvatit-li-emu-sil-izmenit
    -upravlenie-stranoy
  29. Pasha
    Pasha 3 November 2017 18: 45 New
    +1
    They do not believe, but know.
  30. Forever so
    Forever so 15 November 2017 20: 36 New
    0
    Why not believe them ?? they have a WARRANTY for this. Do you think in vain this GUARANTOR has eaten all ears by reconciliation of thieves and people robbed by these thieves ??