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Parliament in Barcelona declared independence for Catalonia

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Guided by the fact that the Spanish authorities deprived Catalonia of autonomy after the referendum held in the region, local parliamentarians by a majority vote declared Catalonia an independent state. In fact, the decision of the Catalan Parliament was the response of Madrid to attempts to ignore the opinion of the majority of Catalans who came to the polling stations earlier.


Parliament in Barcelona declared independence for Catalonia


The decision on independence from Spain in the Parliament of Catalonia was voted 72 MP against 10, voted for the decision to remain in the Spanish kingdom. More 53 parliamentarians previously stated that they will not participate in the voting. However, 72 votes are enough for the resolution on the independence of Catalonia to be finally adopted.

Earlier, the Spanish authorities announced that they were going to introduce direct rule in Barcelona. In one of the cities of autonomy, the king of Spain intended to arrive, but there he was declared persona non grata and was refused admission.

From the messages of Catalans in social networks:
We are now an independent country!


We did what all Catalans have dreamed of for hundreds of years. Yes, hundreds of years! Catalonia became independent!


However, not everyone is delighted with the decision of the parliament. Many believe that parliamentarians have made a serious mistake, which can cost dearly both to them and to the well-being of the entire region.
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  1. Ierarh
    Ierarh 27 October 2017 16: 41 New
    12
    It starts ...
    1. Vend
      Vend 27 October 2017 16: 48 New
      +3
      Very curious.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 27 October 2017 17: 16 New
        16
        Earlier, Spanish authorities announced that they intend to introduce direct rule in Barcelona.

        That's interesting, but the ATO Madrid will not announce. what It is necessary to agree, and not to bend your fingers like a fan, both sides must. yes
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 27 October 2017 17: 42 New
          +8
          Do you propose to negotiate with the independent republic of Siberia or the independent Ichkeria ?!

          Or is it still banal separatism, which is overlooked from the center and leading to the collapse of the state?

          For me, you need to act decisively and quickly, there will be fewer corpses in the end.
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 October 2017 17: 59 New
            +7
            We don’t know too much. but it seems to me that there will not be a big booze, they will make some noise and everything will return to normal.
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 27 October 2017 18: 03 New
              12
              Victor, salute!
              And you take a look at the scenario: the Catalans proclaim independence in a referendum, they immediately join the Russian Federation in a referendum, and in the morning in Iskander and polite green men ...... wassat winked what
              1. Logall
                Logall 27 October 2017 18: 18 New
                16
                Kostya, stop using the 'cunning plan'! Even if Putin himself delivers it ... lol
                1. cniza
                  cniza 27 October 2017 19: 00 New
                  +6
                  So you laugh, and who will guarantee that this will not happen? belay laughing
                  1. Logall
                    Logall 27 October 2017 19: 20 New
                    15
                    After the Russian spring of 2014 and the events of autumn 2015, I can guarantee that it will not be boring! drinks
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 27 October 2017 21: 04 New
                      +3
                      Yeah . but you won’t have to expect anything good from this fun.
                  2. LSA57
                    LSA57 27 October 2017 19: 44 New
                    11
                    Quote: cniza
                    and who will guarantee that this will not happen?

                    world president parashenko. in the morning. with a hangover
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 27 October 2017 21: 07 New
                      +4
                      Sergei hi , he can, or rather, he thinks that he can, but not really ...
              2. Krabik
                Krabik 27 October 2017 19: 32 New
                +2
                I believe in another plan.

                Catalans declare independence and thugs from Syria come to them.
                They are clearing the bridgehead and deploying heavy weapons against Spain.
              3. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 27 October 2017 19: 54 New
                +1
                With 400 Iskanders, fleet lol
              4. BMP-2
                BMP-2 28 October 2017 21: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                Victor, salute!
                And you take a look at the scenario: the Catalans proclaim independence in a referendum, they immediately join the Russian Federation in a referendum, and in the morning in Iskander and polite green men ...... wassat winked what

                And in a week - they switch to Cyrillic! laughing
            2. Stas Snezhin
              Stas Snezhin 27 October 2017 18: 25 New
              +3
              Divide et impera (divide and conquer) is probably beneficial to someone ..
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 27 October 2017 21: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Stas Snezhin
                (divide and conquer) probably this is beneficial to someone ..
                Guess three times. Although the answer is for sure, everyone already knows. There will probably not be a civil war in Catalonia, though, what the hell is not joking. The gentlemen of the CIA, in terms of unleashing civil wars, have reached unprecedented heights. In addition, there are Basques in Spain, and these guys are hotter.
            3. LSA57
              LSA57 27 October 2017 19: 43 New
              +6
              Quote: cniza
              but it seems to me that there will not be a big booze, they will make some noise and everything will return to normal.

              mnu seems so simple it will not end. Catalans people are hot, stubborn. Yes, and the Spaniards are no worse
            4. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 27 October 2017 21: 00 New
              +5
              but we can see something, for example, in Europe itself, they relate to their favorite rattles such as the right of peoples to self-determination, only when it begins with them))
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 27 October 2017 18: 15 New
            11
            Quote: Krabik
            For me, you need to act decisively and quickly, there will be fewer corpses in the end.

            Well, so did the dill in 2014, then Donetsk and Lugansk demanded only autonomy and the status of the Russian language, you can see for yourself what three years later, there are more corpses, and as for Icelter and the Ural Republic named after Rossel, you won’t ask anyone who yelled at everyone corner: - "Take sovereignty as much as you want."
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 27 October 2017 19: 37 New
              +2
              If memory serves me right, then in Ukraine they did everything to kindle the fire of separatism.

              Instead of the scenarios, Strelkova was sent by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who began to bombard the poor city of Slavyansk.

              Pure Yeltsin’s tactics of fomenting civil war.

              I would not be surprised that Poroshenko himself abandoned this Strelkov in Slavyansk at the direction of his overseas friends.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 27 October 2017 21: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Krabik
                Instead of scenaz for the shooting Strelkova sent APU

                They sent SBU employees, who were quickly tied up in Slavyansk then. Such are the specialists.
          3. Tusv
            Tusv 27 October 2017 18: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Krabik
            Do you propose to negotiate with the independent republic of Siberia or the independent Ichkeria ?!
            Or is it still banal separatism, which is overlooked from the center and leading to the collapse of the state?

            We have other realities. No fed. the budget cannot survive, or Borya would draw all these republics on the map. Ichkeria managed to separate everything
          4. sibiryouk
            sibiryouk 27 October 2017 20: 25 New
            0
            Why do you not like the independence of Siberia? Probably the fact that there will be nothing to drag to Moscow! Here the prosperity of the Center will have a bad time! In Moscow, neither oil, nor gold, nor color color is growing!
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 27 October 2017 20: 35 New
              0
              Quote: sibiryouk
              Why do you not like the independence of Siberia?

              Separatist you're not finished bully Economics with logistics at least studied. So damn all the Siberians on duty are recruited and exported good on their hump. But no, they sit on the priest exactly in Novosib, Krasnoyarsk and are not hi
          5. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 27 October 2017 20: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Krabik
            For me, you need to act decisively and quickly, there will be fewer corpses in the end.


            quite right, but Madrid is not the same already. smear the conflict and exacerbate it.

            reported that over all of Spain a cloudless sky.
          6. White and fluffy
            White and fluffy 29 October 2017 06: 52 New
            0
            There can be no independence in principle. All of humanity is interconnected and interdependent.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 27 October 2017 18: 29 New
          0
          it is necessary to repeat the referendum - under the control of KA Sobchak and at the expense of the money of the Vitorganov-Narusov families
          1. stas
            stas 27 October 2017 19: 16 New
            0
            The circus is paid by the King, everyone dances.
        3. Orel
          Orel 27 October 2017 20: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: 79807420129
          That's interesting, but the ATO Madrid will not announce. what It is necessary to agree, and not to bend your fingers like a fan, both sides need.


          These people in the squares do not understand at all what independence is and how much money it costs. Few recognize them, few will do business with them, they won’t have the Euro, and don’t understand what currency that nobody wants to take, will not have Spanish citizenship, and therefore Schengen, goodbye travels around the world plus any trade benefits and preferences with the EU, and this is essentially their entire trade. In general, this is just what immediately came to mind, and there will be even more problems. As a result, after a couple of years of such independence, Catalonia will turn into a backward and impoverished outback and will begin to ask itself back to Spain.
          1. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 27 October 2017 22: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Orel
            In general, this is just what immediately came to mind, and there will be even more problems. As a result, after a couple of years of such independence, Catalonia will turn into a backward and impoverished outback and will begin to ask itself back to Spain.


            you exaggerate. problems will undoubtedly be.
            Catalonia tourist center. its economy is 25% all Spanish.
            One third of foreign campaigns in Spain choose Catalonia to host their representations.

            if Madrid can maintain the integrity of the kingdom, it will benefit Spain.
            if it can’t, then the people of Catalonia will try to revive independence, which is also not bad.

            all, or almost all peoples, fought for the independence of the sea for depressing forecasts.
            those who do not fight are assimilated.
            1. Orel
              Orel 28 October 2017 08: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Maki Avellevich
              you exaggerate. problems will undoubtedly be.
              Catalonia tourist center. its economy is 25% all Spanish.
              One third of foreign campaigns in Spain choose Catalonia to host their representations.


              It will all end the next day if Spain gives independence. Live as you want. Clear sheet. There is nothing. Neither currency, nor their laws, nor border crossing rules, passports, financial systems and government. Someone will go to rest in an unrecognized republic? Yes, someone will go, but very few. Tourists value safety and highly dislike uncertainty and suspense. Tourists will be extremely few. Therefore, the collapse of the economy of Catalonia will be a matter of one to two years. True, they can record themselves as Spaniards, entrepreneurs and pay taxes there, but this is also the path to impoverishment. There is independence, and taxes will go to Spain))) For a long time, too, can not be extended. The option is even worse than it is now. People should strive for unification, globalization eliminates wars, as people have fewer reasons to divide themselves into friends and foes. If there is no harassment then there is no need to separate.
        4. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 27 October 2017 22: 25 New
          0
          That's interesting, but the ATO Madrid will not announce.

          And he will beg for money for the war. laughing
    2. stas
      stas 27 October 2017 16: 49 New
      +2
      The Catalans turned out to be worthy citizens.
      We are waiting for the reaction of corrupt zheks.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 October 2017 17: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: stas
        We are waiting for the reaction of corrupt zheks.

        We did what all Catalans have dreamed of for hundreds of years. Yes, hundreds of years! Catalonia became independent!

        And now it’s very curious to listen to European and mattress politicians about the recognition of Catalonia ... and if they do, then the question of recognizing Crimea as a subject of the Russian Federation will come up immediately.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 27 October 2017 19: 04 New
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          And now it’s very curious to listen to European and mattress politicians about the recognition of Catalonia ... and if they do, then the question of recognizing Crimea as a subject of the Russian Federation will come up immediately.

          And what will the bloody say? They need to reformat Europe, and then hefty greyhounds have become. Everything goes according to plan. Today Catalonia, Tomorrow Basque Country, The Day After Tomorrow Lombardy. In general, a mustache should be like Poland with a bald one.
          Recognition of the Crimea? And why the Yankees will recognize him as a subject of the Russian Federation? In their propaganda, Crimea was brazenly occupied by Russians, and this is a deafening defeat of Yankostan in the post-cold war
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 October 2017 20: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: Tusv
            Today Catalonia, Tomorrow Basque Country, The Day After Tomorrow Lombardy.

            Burgundy, Normandy, Champagne or Provence ..

            1. Tusv
              Tusv 27 October 2017 20: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Burgundy, Normandy, Champagne or Provence ..

              That's it, Andryukha. America does not intend to extinguish the fire. She is a fan of our movie "12 months", only in a perverted form:
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 27 October 2017 19: 39 New
          0
          Do not recognize and do not recognize. there is already a reaction.
        3. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 27 October 2017 20: 24 New
          0
          And now it’s very curious to listen to European and mattress politicians about the recognition of Catalonia ... and if they do, then the question of recognizing Crimea as a subject of the Russian Federation will come up immediately.
          And Transnistria, and Abkhazia, and South Ossetia, and New Russia ...
    3. Logall
      Logall 27 October 2017 16: 50 New
      14
      I think it started! Now they will arm themselves ...
      There was no need to touch autonomy, because they did not declare independence. And now ...
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 27 October 2017 17: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        I think it started! Now they will arm themselves ...

        And I think there will not be any war. They will sit at the negotiating table, they will calve for three years and remain part of Spain. That is, if the Basques began such a process, they would definitely separate, and the Catalans would not have enough spirit. And economically, Catalonia is highly dependent on Spain.
        1. Logall
          Logall 27 October 2017 18: 16 New
          10
          Quote: Pirogov
          Catalonia is highly dependent on Spain.

          Catalonia is heavily dependent on the European Union, not Spain! That's just the membership there is determined by being part of Spain. And if it’s enough spirit to leave the kingdom, and even more so if it economically survives, then in a couple of years it will enter the European Union, and Spain will be on the verge of bankruptcy ...
          Spain is a parasite on the body of the European Union, which only requires money!
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 27 October 2017 19: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Logall
            Spain is a parasite on the body of the European Union, which only requires money!

            Yes, I remember well with what creak in the 80s Spain and Portugal were accepted to the EEC (EU forerunner). Both were openly called rogues and a burden to the European Economic Union. yes
          2. Pirogov
            Pirogov 27 October 2017 21: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Logall
            Spain is a parasite on the body of the European Union, which only requires money!

            Catalonia depends on Spain, or do you think that money goes directly from the EU to Barcelona? And in Spain, the lowest prices in the EU and the keyword, demand money from Brussels and Berlin, and they don’t rip off their people, which is worthy of respect.
            1. Logall
              Logall 28 October 2017 00: 48 New
              +8
              Catalonia is a donor region for Spain! Because of this, the whole `` fuss '' does not want to share!
              If Barcelona leaves, Spain will still need more subsidies. Europe does not need it! Therefore, Brussels is against ...
              If you say the opposite, the question arises:
              Are you generally aware of the reasons and the whole situation? Or so, somewhere heard ...
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 27 October 2017 16: 52 New
      +3
      Again blame Putin! Or who else doubts the collapse of the EU? belay Here even Klimkin-Chugunkin is powerless. laughing
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 27 October 2017 16: 57 New
        +2
        Here even Klimkin-Chugunkin is powerless.

        so he will be the first to blame fellow
      2. Dezinto
        Dezinto 27 October 2017 17: 01 New
        +5
        And how does he manage to do everything !?
        1. BMP-2
          BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: DEZINTO
          And how does he manage to do everything !?

          So his work is this: all his free time is considered working! laughing lol
      3. MIKHA-M
        MIKHA-M 27 October 2017 17: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Putin will be blamed again

        Itself saby ..!
        Or who else doubts the collapse of the EU?

        Everything is going according to plan, first the EU, then NATO! Russia will take revenge on them, the whole planet will tremble hehe
    5. Maz
      Maz 27 October 2017 16: 56 New
      +2
      Storm in a Euro glass of water.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 October 2017 17: 03 New
        +1
        Exactly. "Storm" ... Maybe they will change their mind tomorrow ..
        Quote: Maz
        Storm in a Euro glass of water.
      2. BMP-2
        BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        Storm in a Euro glass of water.

        These are just gases! laughing
    6. Primoos
      Primoos 27 October 2017 16: 59 New
      +7
      When will they bomb Barcelona?
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Primoos
        When will they bomb Barcelona?

        They will not bomb it: there are no monuments to Lenin ... repeat
    7. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 27 October 2017 17: 33 New
      +7
      Catalonia is ours! soldier
  2. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 27 October 2017 16: 46 New
    +3
    That's cool !!!
    1. Kachesgm
      Kachesgm 27 October 2017 16: 48 New
      +3
      Why is it cool? According to the same scenario, our country can also be divided into small principalities.
      Divide and rule!
      1. Kurochkin
        Kurochkin 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
        +5
        Vote in fair elections correctly and will sleep peacefully !!!
        1. stas
          stas 27 October 2017 16: 53 New
          +4
          Kurochkin, and what Rooster told you where there are fair elections.
          Please name, only no offense.
          1. Midshipman
            Midshipman 27 October 2017 17: 33 New
            +3
            There are no fair elections from the word “completely”, because the one who controls the media in one way or another wins (whether it is financially administrative and not important). But you need to vote right, that's right.
            1. stas
              stas 27 October 2017 18: 52 New
              +1
              Why vote if the results are already known, or if you Gardemarin doubts that Putin will remain King. But is it necessary for Russia.
              We need the Chairman of the Supreme Council - Just Social Socialist Russia - the USSR.
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: stas
                We need the Chairman of the Supreme Council - Just Social Socialist Russia - the USSR.

                That is yes. The only question is, who is it? request
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 22: 22 New
                +7
                Quote: stas
                We need the Chairman of the Supreme Council - Just Social Socialist Russia - USSR

                The joke reminded about a bear and a hippopotamus:
                Bear: - Yeah ... with such a piece of bread, but the honey would grunt ...

                They didn’t try to work, stas? It is very distracting from great ideas, I know by myself yes
              3. Midshipman
                Midshipman 1 November 2017 13: 03 New
                0
                Absolutely agree. Supreme Council or State Council, whatever you call it. The president will certainly stay, about the king in England, but he will choose from what is offered to him. By the way, I read the version that it’s just for the elections that it is in mind. I hope that this will be so - and then let Bulk and Sobchachki arrange color revolutions to the limit.
      2. NKT
        NKT 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
        +2
        And the US can also share
        1. Vincent
          Vincent 27 October 2017 16: 55 New
          +4
          But the Texans do not mind ...
          1. win
            win 27 October 2017 17: 03 New
            +3
            But the Texans do not mind ...

            Bavaria has long wanted to separate from Germany.
            Especially now, when there is contention in the coalition.
            But there BMW and Audi ...
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Siegen
              But there BMW and Audi ...

              A BMW from Audi is high time to separate !!! lol yes
          2. NKT
            NKT 27 October 2017 17: 27 New
            0
            To South and North Texas!
        2. win
          win 27 October 2017 17: 33 New
          +8
          In response to an ad for Coca-Cola, which shows Russia without the Crimea and the Kuril Islands on the map,
          "Vyatka Kvass" issued an advertisement with a map of the United States.
          Without Alaska, Hawaii, California and Texas ... laughing
          1. reservist
            reservist 27 October 2017 17: 42 New
            +9
            Without Alaska, Hawaii, California and Texas ...

            At the headquarters of the missile forces:
            - Today came an order to reduce staff by 10%. Does everyone understand?
            - Yes...
            - And now the details: I think we need to start with Texas, Florida, Alabama ... yes
      3. kaban7
        kaban7 27 October 2017 16: 53 New
        +8
        They tried in the 90s - the GDP convinced me not to. But didn’t Crimea depart from Ukraine according to this scenario? If the Catalans do not want to feed Spain, they have the right to self-determination.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 27 October 2017 17: 51 New
          +5
          Thugs were not brought to Catalonia to destroy the population, unlike the Crimea.
          And buses from the Crimea were not shot on the road.

          Well, no matter how many non-matches can be found.
          For example, in Spain there was no state coup with the active participation of Western countries and pies from Mrs. Nuland.
          By the way, Nuland was cooked for a long time, in her youth she hung out at Artek camp and showed herself well by biting the children among themselves.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 27 October 2017 18: 05 New
          +1
          In the situation with Crimea, there was one real difference. He had where to go, Catalonia wants to "swim freely"
      4. your1970
        your1970 27 October 2017 17: 24 New
        +4
        easy and easy !!
        True, then the brain will turn on - when it turns out that Spain can establish a visa regime, add Catalonia to the list of non-RNL countries (this is when the customs duty is paid in double size for goods exported from there to Spain), set tariff tariff rates in 2-5-10 times delivered there goods, but there only through customs and tariff restrictions can you cheat so much if you wish, uuuuuuuu ..... And there is still a non-tariff ... And this is only customs ... And there is also a budget, the EU, taxes and so on .. ...

        Gored share ....
        1. Santjaga_Garka
          Santjaga_Garka 27 October 2017 17: 39 New
          +4
          Stupidly, they will not accept the EU and the Catalans will fall asleep - neither the common market, nor trade quotas, nor help, nor political support, the country is in the center of the eurozone and not the EU, if there are no fools in the EU, then Merkel will push this answer, otherwise Europe will fall apart principalities, as in the Middle Ages, the size of Monaco and Liechtenstein *)
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 27 October 2017 18: 01 New
            0
            The question is different, but is Merkel profitable or not? After all, the smaller the specific principality, the easier it is to put pressure on it in the wake of what and the center.

            Although, of course, now their main infusion is “not letting go,” and even Spain itself is not at all strativistic, like Poland, for example.
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 October 2017 19: 22 New
              0
              from a smaller principality and money can be shaken only less, not more, arithmetic of small countries ....
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 27 October 2017 19: 47 New
                0
                But what about? There is less from one bookshelf, from the few principalities into which the kingdom breaks up - the same. Subject to the preservation of the former economic ties, and they are now all-European
                1. your1970
                  your1970 27 October 2017 21: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Subject to the preservation of the former economic ties, and they are now all-European
                  - during the collapse, the old connections are not saved + managers change + personal connections leave + old contracts die. So with small ones - only a little money or even zero ...
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 27 October 2017 21: 59 New
                    0
                    Well no. After all, they are now economically united in any case within the borders of the entire EU and not of a single country.
                  2. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 28 October 2017 22: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: your1970
                    So with small ones - only a little money or even zero ...

                    That is yes. There is such an thing in the economy. The economies of scale are called: the larger the production (concern, corporation) - the greater the profit and lower the cost of production.
    2. bnm.99
      bnm.99 27 October 2017 17: 14 New
      +3
      What is cool? This is a clear signal to all the large multinational states, including Russia, in any, even well-fed and prosperous country, it is possible to arrange an ethnic conflict fraught with the collapse of the country. Moreover, Spain is not Sudan with Nigeria, not the USSR / Czechoslovakia / SFRY of the late 1980s, and clearly not a Nazi ethnocracy like the Baltic / Belarus / Kazakhstan / Ukraine. What are these Catalan clowns missing? Their problems are not comparable with the ordeals of Russians in the "fraternal" republics. Hence two conclusions for Russia - a) to crush tanks of all independents on their own territory without repeating Rakhoy’s mistakes by flirting with them and b) armed with a manual to shatter the “fraternal” republics with the prospect of defragmentation and disintegration, otherwise we will get new evil, strong and motivated enemies - Ukraine in fact has already become an enemy, Belarus / Kazakhstan will become them in the near future.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 27 October 2017 17: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: bnm.99
        Belarus / Kazakhstan will become them in the near future.

        In theory. But these countries have a good example of Ukraine and Georgia. And Kazakhstan is still close by China with its Uyghur district. Therefore, almost even in the distant future, your assumption is from the realm of fiction. The Americans even understood this when they were “politely” kicked out of the region. Although it would seem that it’s easier to buy the elite of these countries with giblets and turn them into a semblance of the Baltic states. But this is just not the first glance.
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 27 October 2017 17: 50 New
          0
          Nobody and nothing will prevent them from buying up the elite of these countries to China or to someone else for the implementation of anti-Russian geopolitical combinations; the light did not come together in America alone. In Kazakhstan, a consistent nationalist policy with squeezing non-Kazakhs out of the country has been pursued since 1992 and without external sponsorship. However, in Belarus, too, the ideological influence of Poland and Lithuania only complements the local specifics
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 27 October 2017 17: 42 New
        +2
        Is this the outskirts of a strong, motivated enemy? I do not argue with the term worst, although there the population has not yet reached a critical point of Russophobia. Many are alive who lived in the Union. Germany 30s was one such thing, National Socialism gave the Germans a job and what to devour and the national idea. Most of the Führer sincerely adored. And what motivated Ukrainians? The trouble they have is neither work, nor devour, the idea is true, but for them it is unnatural, Western.
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 27 October 2017 18: 07 New
          +1
          Yes, and the worst, and motivated. You do not forget that in Ukraine (as well as in other republics) the generation that grew up to the music of the most atrocious zoological Russophobia and the USSR times, remembering / not seeing because of age and for them the Galician nationalism of Bandera, Konovalets, Dontsov and others is just a natural phenomenon. Do not believe me - look at the cannon fodder Maidan, ATO, OPOU and other bucks.
      3. Santjaga_Garka
        Santjaga_Garka 27 October 2017 17: 43 New
        +2
        It’s not so easy with us, even dumb-drenched Yeltsin (or those who stood behind him) did not allow (and) secession of Chechnya. The Russian elite - both that in sight and that which is hidden - are not fools at all, they themselves are not enough to let others go, but I think that there are no more fools, everyone sees what happened to the periphery after the collapse of the Union, so, hopefully, it’s not going to collapse.
  3. askort154
    askort154 27 October 2017 16: 50 New
    +3
    Damn, you still have to buy a bag of "popcorn". sad
  4. Cartalon
    Cartalon 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
    +3
    Amazing idotism
  5. Vincent
    Vincent 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    I wonder if the fools will support the decision of the people of Catalonia ... Or is it again the machinations of a shaggy Kremlin hand?
    1. A_L_F
      A_L_F 27 October 2017 22: 23 New
      +1
      Here the ears of the Pentagon are more visible, these troubles began after the EU began to slowly send the owner "away"
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
    +1
    Spain take two?
  7. andrew42
    andrew42 27 October 2017 16: 52 New
    +2
    Democracy - it is such a democracy. It happens that in other "democracies" life is much worse than under the monarch. Well, the flag is in their hands, the Catalans. Only who is using them in vain, romantic ones? - This question remains open.
  8. venaya
    venaya 27 October 2017 16: 53 New
    +1
    The king of Spain intended to arrive in one of the cities of autonomy, but there he was declared a persona non grata and refused to be admitted.

    The king is a descendant of "General Francisco Franco" - the usurper of the legitimate government of Spain, a pure fascist. And what is it to him, this descendant of the fascist, to do there?
  9. Holoy
    Holoy 27 October 2017 16: 53 New
    +3
    We are waiting for direct rule and the introduction of troops ...
  10. Severe
    Severe 27 October 2017 16: 53 New
    +2
    We are waiting for the democratizers with tanks and guns!
  11. gladcu2
    gladcu2 27 October 2017 16: 54 New
    +5
    Some of the enlightened ones can give an explanation of why these freaks need independence?

    Independence from WHAT?

    From paying taxes?

    It is a pity when a herd of sheep is beaten off at hand.
    1. Stiletto_711
      Stiletto_711 27 October 2017 18: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: gladcu2
      Some of the enlightened ones can give an explanation of why these freaks need independence?

      Let’s explain. There is such a thing as ethnic self-identification. This is when people for a long time live in any area of ​​geography, create their own special culture, their own language, customs, their own view of the world. Thanks to this, there is a clear division into ours and everyone else, and for one and the desire to manage your life (well, your country) yourself.
      For many hundreds of years, the Catalans have had such an identity and made attempts to create an independent state, but they were not lucky. Now there was such a chance and many were eager to separate from Madrid. And there is absolutely nothing to do with the economy (well, at least this is not the main thing), here the mass unconscious in action, are drawn to the dream smile
      People living in states that emerged according to the colonial principle (it’s either “the whites left, but the local guys don’t understand what they are doing together here” or “a mixed suit came from Europe, killed and stayed all the locals”) it’s difficult to understand the imperative where sweeter feed there and homeland request
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 27 October 2017 19: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Stilett_71
        here the mass unconscious in action, drawn to a dream

        But, damn it, they are sincere in this endeavor, but they don’t want to hear them (central authority) from the word “completely”.
        Quote: Stilett_71
        this phenomenon is difficult to understand in them the imperative, where they feed sweeter there and the homeland

        Well, such even here, on the site, a whole legion regularly appears, from the Israeli deserts to the Canadian tundra. Moreover, which is characteristic, most of the "former". yes But, at times, reading their "promises" is even interesting. They can be funny, although, in fact, they are just flawed people.
  12. goland72
    goland72 27 October 2017 16: 54 New
    0
    Honestly, I did not believe that they would decide!
  13. Ierarh
    Ierarh 27 October 2017 16: 55 New
    0
    Quote: tchoni
    Spain take two?
    History repeats itself. Let's hope not exactly ...
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 October 2017 16: 56 New
    0
    Poor Spain! Once one of the scoundrels was expelled, and they are still being terrified ... Vindictive, hell ...
  15. padded jacket
    padded jacket 27 October 2017 16: 57 New
    +6
    Well, everyone got into democracy, now let's see how they themselves will "strangle" the free will of the people of Catalonia and what the independent and impartial Council of Europe will say lol
  16. Bomb
    Bomb 27 October 2017 17: 03 New
    +1
    All rightly say. They had been dreaming about this all their life ..... was in Barcelona in 2012 and then it was already clear that soon Catalonia would send all the forest.
  17. Topotun
    Topotun 27 October 2017 17: 04 New
    +1
    Wow! We decided the same! This is getting interesting ....
  18. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 27 October 2017 17: 09 New
    +2
    I do not want to rank myself as a conspiracy theorists. But the whole trend on the "parade of sovereigns" was created by the Anglo-Saxons, who carried out a controlled referendum in Scotland, naturally with a safe result for themselves, and now they will watch and help Catalonia, Northern Italy (Feeds South of Italy), then Bavaria, and God forbid Russia, represented by economically developed Tatarstan (Official Madrid, pumped Catalonia with money and factories to bind to the Spanish economy, but it did not help or common sense there is no more in Barcelona, ​​but Barcelona decided that they were feeding Spain. And we have mirror almost, for example, so much money was poured into Tatarstan, especially through the military-industrial complex and industry), ambitious Bashkiria, etc. I wish I was wrong ... sad
  19. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 27 October 2017 17: 10 New
    0
    Yes normul everything lol hi
  20. Essex62
    Essex62 27 October 2017 17: 11 New
    +4
    Nor a good trend. It is a pity to Barcelona, ​​a beautiful city, and football ........ Now it will not do without blood, if Madrid wipes it will start everywhere. Another abscess of geyrop is provided. And who is the customer?
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 27 October 2017 17: 22 New
      +2
      will not rub off .... the Basques are following and the customer obviously understands this ...
  21. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 17: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Primoos
    When will they bomb Barcelona?

    What for?
    There are many air conditioners.
  22. Alexsin
    Alexsin 27 October 2017 17: 16 New
    +4
    The prostitute Europe was in a difficult position. If you recognize Catalonia, then the question arises, why the LPR and the DPR. do not recognize? US not allowed? If Catalonia does not recognize, then the question will arise, why did they recognize Kosovo, but not Catalonia? Again, the United States is not allowed? Kosovo was allowed, but not Catalonia? But Russia warned not to open the Pandora’s Box when NATO bombed Belgrade and, as a result, tore off Kosovo from Serbia, since Serbia did not agree to become a US puppet.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 27 October 2017 17: 21 New
      +2
      Prostitute Europe was in a difficult position.


      I do not see any difficulties at all.

      If you recognize Catalonia, then the question arises, why the LC and the DNI. do not recognize?


      Europe doesn't care about that. No offense. We are Slavs for them an empty place, albeit with a nuclear button. But in the world there is a strong one who has payment systems and whose financial law dominates.

      Quote: Alexsin
      If it does not recognize Catalonia, then the question will arise, why did they recognize Kosovo, but not Catalonia?

      In the same place, evil Milosevic, allegedly carried out the genocide of the Albanians, in contrast to the King of Spain and Madrid.
    2. GUSAR
      GUSAR 27 October 2017 18: 10 New
      0
      Spain by the way, Kosovo’s independence was not recognized, it’s clear why
  23. Des10
    Des10 27 October 2017 17: 17 New
    +1
    Nevertheless, one must first think.
    Without thinking, they will break firewood.
  24. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 17: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Evrodav
    Poor Spain! Once one of the scoundrels was expelled, and they are still being terrified ... Vindictive, hell ...

    I did not understand what kind of scoundrels expelled.
    At one time, the fascist Franco destroyed the Republicans with the support of Nazi Germany.
    I was in Girona, so inscriptions and separate ruins were preserved where the last defenders of the republic wrote like our grandfathers in the Brest Fortress like "I am dying but not giving up."
  25. Viktor777
    Viktor777 27 October 2017 17: 20 New
    0
    They did it right. Decision is needed here, without it there is no way ...
  26. Makarov
    Makarov 27 October 2017 17: 21 New
    +1
    Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy commented on a vote on independence in the Catalan parliament on his microblog on Twitter.

    “I ask the peace of all Spaniards. The rule of law will restore law in Catalonia, ”Rahoy wrote.
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 27 October 2017 17: 31 New
      +2
      The Senate of Spain voted to remove the leadership of Catalonia from power and the introduction of direct control in the region from Madrid. 214 senators voted for this, 47 against, one abstained. This is reported by Medusa.

      At the request of the country's cabinet of ministers, the senators introduced the 155th article of the Constitution of Spain, which spelled out the situation when the autonomous region threatens the order in the country, and therefore its autonomy can be suspended.
  27. Mark68
    Mark68 27 October 2017 17: 25 New
    0
    All this looks ridiculous so far. It has already been forgotten in which year England announced its secession from the European Union, but it still cannot separate. Here the situation will be the same.
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 27 October 2017 17: 27 New
      +2
      Someone? Separated and quite successfully ... but the analogy is not correct ...
      1. A_L_F
        A_L_F 27 October 2017 22: 33 New
        0
        England was formally in the EU and it was easiest for her to separate, when the EU was created, England did not give up her banknotes and everything related to the economy was separate from the EU
  28. wot
    wot 27 October 2017 17: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Essex62
    . No blood will now do, if Madrid wipes it will start everywhere.

    the Catalans have a different mentality, past events: they were beaten as they wanted, a couple of cobblestones from around the corner into a police car and all the resistance
  29. sergo1914
    sergo1914 27 October 2017 17: 41 New
    0
    It's time. "Over the whole of Spain, a sunny sky."
  30. Mozdok 2017
    Mozdok 2017 27 October 2017 17: 45 New
    0
    It was exactly the same in South Ossetia when it proclaimed itself an autonomous republic, notice as part of the Cargo. In response, the Supreme Soviet of Georgia abolished the autonomous region of South Ossetia and declared this region an administrative entity called Samachablo. And after that, it went and went ... that ultimately led to the 2008 war and the loss of Georgia to this territory. History does not teach anything and Spain is probably no exception. In my mind, Catalonia should probably have been given more authority.
    1. seal78
      seal78 27 October 2017 18: 46 New
      0
      Where more authority? The Catalans didn’t live so sourly. Well, now the US is using them blindly to achieve their own goals. Another analysis of the next state for the benefit of the United States. Actually, the Catalans and their "independence" do not bother anyone. They are choking now, grief for Uncle Sam. In the place of Spain, I would not accept them back when they start asking. You must be fully responsible for your choice.
      1. A_L_F
        A_L_F 27 October 2017 22: 37 New
        0
        It looks like the FSA is in the dark on the side of Catalonia, they want to punish the EU for getting out of control
  31. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2017 17: 54 New
    0
    I don’t know how the Spaniards will act, but all these tales about self-determination in Europe do not work, this rule only applies to savages!
    The definition of savages also has a gradation, on their own and others
  32. den3080
    den3080 27 October 2017 18: 05 New
    0
    the next will be the Basques (in Spain), and then it comes to the “sausages” - Bavaria and the rest.
    Give the free city of Hamburg !!
  33. etrofimov
    etrofimov 27 October 2017 18: 06 New
    +2
    PuigDemona swollen, swollen, but not received. Wimp conjunctural! Now other people will make decisions!
  34. den3080
    den3080 27 October 2017 18: 13 New
    0
    people on the streets of Barcelona say “Viva Putin” wink
    1. Igor Pushkino
      Igor Pushkino 27 October 2017 18: 19 New
      0
      The people are sorry: they will have him ...
  35. vvv-73
    vvv-73 27 October 2017 18: 20 New
    0
    Wow, do not piss.
  36. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 27 October 2017 18: 20 New
    0
    New Franco is unlikely to be found.
  37. seal78
    seal78 27 October 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    Well, idiots ... Yugoslavia taught none of them anything.
  38. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 27 October 2017 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Krabik
    with the independent republic of Siberia


    And what, Siberia, is this a republic?
  39. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 27 October 2017 18: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: bnm.99
    What is cool? This is a clear signal to all the large multinational states, including Russia, in any, even well-fed and prosperous country, it is possible to arrange an ethnic conflict fraught with the collapse of the country. Moreover, Spain is not Sudan with Nigeria, not the USSR / Czechoslovakia / SFRY of the late 1980s, and clearly not a Nazi ethnocracy like the Baltic / Belarus / Kazakhstan / Ukraine. What are these Catalan clowns missing? Their problems are not comparable with the ordeals of Russians in the "fraternal" republics. Hence two conclusions for Russia - a) to crush tanks of all independents on their own territory without repeating Rakhoy’s mistakes by flirting with them and b) armed with a manual to shatter the “fraternal” republics with the prospect of defragmentation and disintegration, otherwise we will get new evil, strong and motivated enemies - Ukraine in fact has already become an enemy, Belarus / Kazakhstan will become them in the near future.

    Of the liberals ??? Sokolov Zhirika ??? And what did Belarus not please you: the union state ... the state language is Russian and Belarusian .. And we, then, are the Nazi ethnocracy? Zhirik recently said something similar in one of the programs. And Ukraine has become an enemy because of your kind ...
  40. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 27 October 2017 19: 02 New
    +2
    Freedom to the people of Catalonia from the yoke of the Spanish monarchy.
  41. faterdom
    faterdom 27 October 2017 19: 18 New
    +1
    Sorry, the abbreviation "China" and even "DPRK" are already taken.
  42. aleks700
    aleks700 27 October 2017 19: 21 New
    +1
    The independence of Catalonia is nonsense and nonsense. Catalonia does not have the main thing - the army. Lndr is more a state. They’ll disperse.
  43. freddyk
    freddyk 27 October 2017 20: 02 New
    0
    In the world there is only one independent country - this is North Korea. All others depend on the USA. Only the states will decide whether Catalonia will be independent or not, and no one else.
    1. A_L_F
      A_L_F 27 October 2017 22: 41 New
      0
      The United States and made it independent, the strange thing is that they did not even change the script to create color revolutions
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 28 October 2017 01: 05 New
        0
        But this is another question, let's see what the State Department will say. He will tell Catalonia to let go and the Spaniards will let her go as cute, Europe is supposed to listen to America.
  44. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 27 October 2017 20: 20 New
    0
    However, not everyone is delighted with the decision of the parliament. Many believe that parliamentarians have made a serious mistake, which can cost dearly both to them and to the well-being of the entire region.
    Well, not all the same deb ... s. There are still people who have a head not only to eat into it.
  45. Wolka
    Wolka 28 October 2017 10: 29 New
    0
    events well, just like in 1936 in Spain, only more beautiful
  46. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 28 October 2017 15: 20 New
    +7
    Purely economically crushed, revealing and merciless. And the EU will do this without paying any attention to the whining of Spain itself, which will not seem enough.
  47. kefan
    kefan 29 October 2017 10: 58 New
    0
    Glory to the Catalan People's Republic!