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Gas capitulation of Ukraine will be signed in 2019 year

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Gas capitulation of Ukraine will be signed in 2019 year



2019 year is inexorably approaching us. It will be the year when Ukraine will no longer depend on Ukraine for the supply of gas to Europe. Moreover, it will never depend again. And Kiev will never receive any more money from this profitable business.

Europe and gas

In 1980's, the first gas pipe connected Siberia and Western Europe. This had two consequences. The first consequence: the USSR, and then Russia received the most important tool of geopolitical pressure on the Europeans. The second consequence: in Europe, formed a powerful pro-Russian lobby.

And the highest level. Let's remember that the ex-Federal Chancellor of Germany, Gerhard Schröder, today works in the top management at Rosneft. And those who right now in Europe are defending Russian interests have not yet been officially named, but I think that in years through 10-15 we will also learn about their merits.



From the very first day of the start of this project, the United States did not like this situation and they did everything to break it. Did not work out. At the beginning of 2000-x it became clear: Russia is selected from a political and economic pit, and oil and gas will be one of the main sources of income for the period of re-industrialization. And Washington did everything to cut off from Moscow the most important and promising markets for their sales.

Ukraine has become one of the most important sections of the gas battle for Europe. As soon as President Viktor Yushchenko came to power, he decided to break off super profitable gas contracts with Moscow. There was no economy in this decision (Ukraine was losing billions of dollars a year), but only a policy acceptable to Washington. It was necessary at all costs to show Europe that Russia cannot guarantee its gas supply there, and Europeans need to attend to the search for other sources of its supplies.

This, in essence, was the leitmotif of all the so-called gas wars between Ukraine and Russia. Kiev, losing colossal money, quarreled with Moscow all the time, creating problems for Europe and thus digging its own grave.

Naturally, all this did not please not only Russia, but also European countries, whose well-being was actually made dependent on Washington’s goodwill, and therefore, as soon as the problem became apparent, it was decided to build workarounds. At the same time, in this direction, Moscow has always found complete understanding with Berlin. And not by chance. While Moscow and Washington were butting and pushing Kiev to their side, taking advantage of the moment, Germany began to build its gas game.

Germany - the gas hub of Europe

Before the first “Maidan”, Kiev could be called the main gas hub of Europe. Through it, more than 100 billion cubic meters of gas were pumped to the west, which made the Ukrainian route the most important at that time and even irreplaceable.

A new gas pipe along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, and even more so the construction of its second stage, completely changed the existing gas balance. They turned Germany into just such a hub and not only completely excluded both Ukrainian and Eastern European gas blackmail (and the United States could have arranged it), but also made many European countries in the future completely dependent on the will of the German monopolist.

Norwegian gas, by the way, is also delivered to many European countries through Germany.



Thus, Germany in this game tried in one fell swoop to replace with itself both Ukraine and the United States. And I must say that with the help of Moscow, which also benefited from this situation, she succeeded.

Now it becomes clear why Berlin always shook Ukraine, and then always betrayed her in everything. Nothing personal, as they say.

Is it any wonder that it was Germany that not only allocated money for Maidan but also at the same time invested huge amounts of money in bypass gas routes from Russia to itself. And then, when it was time to move on, Berlin began to adjust European legislation for these projects and ... even build its own new bypass routes to complement Russian sea routes.

Recently, almost all restrictions of the Third EU energy package have been removed from the continuation of the Nord Stream, the OPAL gas pipeline with a capacity of 36 billion cubic meters. And in February, 2018, a tender will be announced for the construction of another EUGAL gas pipe, which will run in parallel and will have a capacity of 48 billion cubic meters. And, according to European experts, the project will have no problems with investors.

That's right, gentlemen, Ukrainian "patriots", to do business. Your German "partners" simply used you to achieve their goals. By the way, very cheaply used.

Gas hopelessness of Ukraine

At the same time, the processing of Ukraine continued. In order for Europe to receive Russian gas stably and without force majeure, a backup route was needed, which would be used in case of repairs on the new main highways and could pump additional volumes with a sharp increase in gas consumption by European countries (with large frosts).

It is this role that the Europeans INITIALLY prepared the Ukrainian gas pipe. The fact that this is not a forced decision, but a long-term plan becomes clear if you look at when and how much money the same Germans invested in their own and Russian new gas pipelines, and also recall the epic about the dismemberment of Naftogaz of Ukraine ...

Ever since the time of Viktor Yushchenko, Europe has said that it will not give money for the modernization of the Ukrainian gas transport system until it is allocated to a separate legal entity. No persuasion did not act, the Europeans in this matter were adamant. Years passed, Kiev artachilsya, artachilsya (and who wants to just lose billions of dollars every year ... of course), but was forced to surrender. And the last nail in the coffin of the Ukrainian gas monopoly drove the second maidan. And here, as they say, the German gas industry has the color and flooded. After a sharp deterioration in relations with Russia and the acceleration of work on bypass routes (here Moscow was greatly helped by an agreement with Turkey), it was not difficult for Berlin to bring Kiev to the last step of the gas war - the surrender to Moscow.

True, they, having taken everything away from Ukraine, did not begin to deprive official Kiev of “gidnost” in the eyes of their citizens. The very act of surrender for him Europeans will sign themselves. For this, Uktransgaz is allocated to a separate campaign, and its management will be transferred to the European consortium, which will sign all the necessary agreements with 2018-19 with Gazprom. Moreover, Europe will not pay Europe for this, but will take the Ukrainian pipe either in concession or on lease, but with the obligatory condition of full control over it.

This was recently announced by the head of Naftogaz of Ukraine, Andrei Kobolev.



All the puzzles are formed, it remains to take stock.

Very soon, Ukraine will cease to be a subject of the European gas market. All the gas instruments that she has left (very small in fact) are transferred to the management of Europe, which will then decide everything for Kiev itself.

Germany will become the new main gas hub of Europe and thus will completely take over the role of Ukraine in this regard. Russia in Berlin will receive a reliable partner, and at the same time an interested person in order to further increase its share in the European gas market. As a result, the United States is losing the ability to control European gas flows, which means that they can influence the situation on the continent much less.

And this is a different geopolitical alignment. And in this case, we should expect the expansion of economic ties between Russia and Europe, which in the end may end with the formation of the strategic axis Moscow-Berlin, the outlines of which are clearly visible at least in the gas segment.
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 27 October 2017 15: 11 New
    16
    it's too early to dance a jig. It would be nice if there is scrap metal that remains from the GTS to be returned to Russia.
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 27 October 2017 15: 39 New
      10
      I think that there are already scammers who have included income from the sale of scrap metal in their business plan for 2019.
      1. volodya
        volodya 27 October 2017 15: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: kagorta
        I think that there are already scammers who have included income from the sale of scrap metal in their business plan for 2019.

        1. 210ox
          210ox 27 October 2017 17: 06 New
          +6
          Let's live for a start .. And then a statement has already appeared in Gazprom about the possibility of maintaining transit on certain conditions
          Quote: volodya
          Quote: kagorta
          I think that there are already scammers who have included income from the sale of scrap metal in their business plan for 2019.

          1. Dashout
            Dashout 27 October 2017 17: 36 New
            12
            The author writes: "... needed a backup route, which would be used in case of repairs on new main highways and could pump additional volumes with a sharp increase in gas consumption by European countries (in severe frosts). "
            In my opinion, the GTS of Ukraine is not suitable for a backup (one-time) route. The fact is that there it is necessary to fill and maintain (stolen) underground gas tanks. And who will pay for them? If pumping large volumes, then of course it will pay off. And if it’s reserve, then hardly ...
            1. Yurasumy
              27 October 2017 19: 05 New
              0
              The consortium will pay.
            2. dmitry.kashkaryow
              dmitry.kashkaryow 28 October 2017 17: 16 New
              +3
              What kind of a fool did this nonsense dream of? Who will contain the empty “backup” pipe? For these purposes, reserve capacities of the main pipelines are provided!
              1. vik669
                vik669 28 October 2017 21: 07 New
                0
                For the "especially gifted" - GTS is not only a pipe but a pipe is not one but much more. And how much metal is buried and upstairs towards Ukraine and in Ukraine is something.
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 27 October 2017 20: 00 New
            12
            I would like to believe that this is how it will be.
            Yes, only nobody knows the true plans and intentions. But everything is stated logically, of course, Germany would like to be the main gas monopolist in the European market, this is both an economic and political lever.
            But the US is strong and will hinder this in every way. Will the Germans have the courage to survive. That is the question.
            Well, Ukraine has been shooting its own legs over and over for a long time, only the last control shot to the head remains.
            1. Yurasumy
              27 October 2017 20: 40 New
              +4
              They are already announced. An article was written on them
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 27 October 2017 20: 42 New
                +1
                Undoubtedly announced, but I do not think that they are voiced completely.
                No one ever opens the card completely.
          3. Laresh_6
            Laresh_6 29 October 2017 11: 51 New
            0
            Well, on the most favorable conditions for Russia, taking into account moral conditions, this must be weighed slowly
    2. Vend
      Vend 27 October 2017 15: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: zzdimk
      it's too early to dance a jig. It would be nice if there is scrap metal that remains from the GTS to be returned to Russia.

      For some reason it seems to me that it will be so. Europe will not take risks, because Russia may refuse to transport gas through the Ukrainian pipe, even after a change of ownership.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 October 2017 20: 29 New
      +2
      The Germans are very pragmatic. The Nord Stream 2 project can only be stopped by the war with America.
    4. The comment was deleted.
    5. vik669
      vik669 28 October 2017 02: 05 New
      0
      In this situation, the Russian gas transportation system will have more than enough scrap metal and there are a lot of problems too!
    6. SIMM
      SIMM 28 October 2017 08: 39 New
      0
      It’s not worth it to drag this rusty scrap metal to us ... more expensive
    7. Laresh_6
      Laresh_6 29 October 2017 11: 47 New
      0
      Very reasonable and businesslike! Like it!
    8. antivirus
      antivirus 30 October 2017 09: 39 New
      +1
      For this, Uktransgaz stands out as a separate campaign, and its management will be transferred to the hands of the European consortium, which will sign all the necessary agreements with Gazprom in 2018-19. Moreover, Europe will not pay money for this to Kiev, but will take the Ukrainian pipe either in concession or in leasing, but with the obligatory condition of full control over it.


      - surrender will take place in the summer of 18 g
      even in an abnormal country there are life plans (except for patching roads) and they !!!!!!!!!!!!! for 3-5 years (in the minds of the oligarchs of the outskirts) !!!!!!!!!!!
      I wrote about KING SA'S VISIT TO MOSCOW "the circle is closed"
      CYCLE OF 40 YEARS OF LIFE OF THE COUNTRY from the start of oil supplies (the Druzhba and gas pipeline Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod) we did not win - TAKE A DRAW.
      The United States achieved its goals - they did not allow the USSR-RF to grow by 5-7% a year from 76 g (China was able to)
      25 years, out of 40, were a failure or trampling in .. .. out.
      AND NOW WE ARE NOT ATTENDED FOR THE FUTURE.
      THE PURPOSE OF “CAPTURE TO THE EDGE" AND FOR OVER 10-20 YEARS IS IMPOSED TO MINIMIZE DAMAGES FROM ITS ABSORPTION (from 2020 ???)
      The beginning of the next development cycle (about 40 years) was again overslept by nanotechnology, genetic engineering, biotechnology, where ?????
      regional power, without the ambitions of a leader in the world (in some ways the first on the planet).
      until a well-maintained Sweden-Singapore.
      who is between them ??? - Kyrgyzstan!
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 30 October 2017 23: 19 New
        0
        Ha, who cares easy? By the way, we already experienced a default, but we’ll see how the mattress country survives it. repeat
  2. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 27 October 2017 15: 39 New
    13
    Russia and the country seem to be big! And he puffs up and rises from his knees, but in addition to the only pipe, in essence, there is nothing to punish the offenders of their Bendera’s so-called. Again, they don’t add so much money to the new pipes, and suddenly tomorrow Erdogan or the Germans are the same Bandera will be? Will we pull the pipes again ...?
    1. Gamer
      Gamer 27 October 2017 16: 00 New
      +8
      their Bendera so-called and then there is nothing more to punish


      It seems that the leadership of the Russian Federation absolutely does not set such tasks.
    2. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 27 October 2017 16: 13 New
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      Quote: sapporo1959
      Russia and the country seem to be big! And he puffs up and rises from his knees, but in addition to the only trumpet, in fact, there are nothing more to punish the offenders of their so-called Benderaites.

      But Russia does not punish its offenders - it “loves” them, so to speak! The more someone tries to offend her, the more he gets “love,” and it is not for nothing that there is a saying: Russia is a generous soul! laughing laughing laughing
    3. Berber
      Berber 27 October 2017 16: 40 New
      +2
      This is geopolitics. You can not understand. But let me give you an example - to eat bread, you need to grow it. To sell gas, you need pipelines. The analogy is direct and I think it’s clear.
      1. vik669
        vik669 28 October 2017 02: 14 New
        +1
        He laid a gas pipeline - it must be maintained even if you are not selling gas at the moment and accordingly there is no profit, but it is necessary to maintain it!
        1. Berber
          Berber 30 October 2017 09: 49 New
          +1
          Gas is a completely liquid commodity. Gas pipelines will not stand idle.
          1. vik669
            vik669 31 October 2017 04: 26 New
            0
            Even for years they have stood idle from Russia to Ukraine anyway and are gradually turning into scrap metal!
            1. Berber
              Berber 31 October 2017 08: 53 New
              +1
              This is the purpose of the North and South streams.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 30 October 2017 12: 43 New
          0
          gas is a distraction ATTENTION, OIL GIVES 3 -4 TIMES MORE THAN GAS. in PM transits through the outskirts.
          and there are no new oil pipelines; Druzhba is working, and there are no other routes to maintain the eastern European market !!!! This is bad.
          Only markets in the east.
          the loss of markets in Europe --- and 40 years of flawless cooperation down the drain
          1. Berber
            Berber 31 October 2017 08: 52 New
            +1
            No one canceled the tanker fleet. And the Ukrainian oil pipeline, in my opinion, Kolomoisky has long pumped out and filled it with water.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 October 2017 19: 51 New
      12
      Quote: sapporo1959
      And he puffs up and rises from his knees, but in addition to the only trumpet, in fact, there are nothing more to punish the offenders of their so-called Benderaites.

      In fact, the departure from Ukrainian transit began long before the 2014 coup. And the reasons for this are not some kind of “punishment”, but a banal unwillingness to lose money because of the transit country, which is trying to buy goods at a price invented by it, and when the seller does not agree, he simply begins to steal this product.
      Quote: sapporo1959
      Again, there is so much money that pensions do not add to new pipes, and what if tomorrow already Erdogan or the Germans will turn out to be the same Bandera? Will we pull the pipes again ...?

      You can continue to drive gas through Ukraine. Then pensions will also begin to be cut - for Gazprom, in conditions of Ukrainian gas theft and a worn-out gas transportation system, simply cannot bring the contracted volumes of gas to Europe. Fines, penalties, forfeits, etc. - And there’s nothing to pay taxes with.
      New pipes providing direct gas supply to consumers are a guaranteed income including treasury, and it does not depend on any transit country.
    5. Ulan
      Ulan 27 October 2017 20: 04 New
      12
      You all overslept, Russia has long been standing firmly on its feet. This causes tantrum of an overseas uncle in a star-striped top hat. Overlooked.
      Bandera are our offenders?. Yes, what are you, they are small hooligans, where they offend Russia. So shit on the little things. The title of enemy of Russia still needs to be earned.
      1. mgero
        mgero 27 October 2017 20: 46 New
        0
        The downed Tu 22nd in Georgia, in Chechnya how many Ukrainians fought this also petty hooliganism?
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 28 October 2017 09: 14 New
          +8
          Tu-22 is not Bandera, there were acting officers of the Ukrainian army. They fought in Chechnya and it didn’t end with anything good for them.
          True, some have escaped retaliation, but I hope not forever and will "find them in the forehead".
    6. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 04: 57 New
      11
      Quote: sapporo1959
      Russia and the country seem to be big! And he puffs up and rises from his knees, but in addition to the only pipe, in essence, there is nothing to punish the offenders of their Bendera’s so-called. Again, they don’t add so much money to the new pipes, and suddenly tomorrow Erdogan or the Germans are the same Bandera will be? Will we pull the pipes again ...?

      what what you have a poor understanding of the situation !! negative negative wassat wassat wassatfirstly, if you haven’t noticed, then Vova is very reserved and positive about hutskrains, as a result of which hohland still exists relatively tolerably !!! secondly, Russia will be able to crush hohland without any problems and without military methods - purely economic ... noooooooo ..... see the first paragraph !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 28 October 2017 09: 16 New
        +4
        It's right. Russia behaves towards the Kiev junta, very restrained. Although she has enough ways and forces and means to cause this booth big problems.
        It is speaking in diplomatic language.
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    7. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 28 October 2017 10: 11 New
      +6
      And why does the comrade Belarusian of Russia punish the residents of Bender ??? And that’s exactly what you wrote, but rather didn’t write, it was pulled very much by zagomarnost))). And here Erdogan and the Germans - with a LARGE letter H, Karl !! you already have Bandera wink . And, I realized, the Germans with a capital letter is right! Slaves must honor the owners! And all respect to them! Right? Well, you just made a mistake on the site, it happens ... serfs mostly hang out on the censor and puff at pussy Russia, go to you, there, and talk about Bendera. Yes, and servile respect to the panam to express once again there is only welcome. laughing Is it true that they forgot here? Here people are rude, gentle servile soul and can hurt lol
    8. lance
      lance 28 October 2017 19: 10 New
      0
      and who shade it? Germany is becoming the central hub of all of Europe. and the Germans, like Turkey, will not miss. but they will become Ukraine, Bulgaria and Moldova will fit, who will immediately forget their relationship with the Romanians
  3. Sige
    Sige 27 October 2017 16: 46 New
    +8
    The line was especially amused: "Russia in Berlin will get a reliable partner."
    This “reliable” partner will be able to impose sanctions against Russia at any time and nullify all profits recorded in any agreements.
    1. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 27 October 2017 17: 03 New
      +7
      So I'm talking about that! Today, a friend whose patriots are in a hickey, and tomorrow he can turn out to be an enemy. Well, again, hotheads offer Europe to be captured, and then to sell gas to them, so that they don’t sleep? It’s said that it’s not profitable to gasify their country .. Here and where to put it then?
      1. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 28 October 2017 10: 17 New
        +7
        It’s interesting, such a European gossip sits on the site, craps and craps our country, and who puts stars to him ?? For the serf of 1959, I inform you - in 1991 the gasification of the Russian Federation did not exceed 40%, in 2015 - more than 60%. Yes, we have a big country. with the “father’s lackey” it’s comparable and there are a lot of problems .. well, how can we solve it, and the stinks from the adjacent “union” state are in a boot across the servile face. And you see, the Germans have him with a capital letter! am You, zmagars, first give back $ 6,5 billion of credit to us, and then blather, where and from whom is gasified !!
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 29 October 2017 02: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Lev Bronsch
          for 1991, gasification of the Russian Federation did not exceed 40%, for 2015 - more than 60%

          20% in a quarter century is not such an achievement. And the size of the country has nothing to do with it. The bulk of the population lives compactly. The vast expanses of the taiga and tundra, no one is going to gasify! But the fact that we have, near Yekaterinburg 20-30 km from the city there are non-gasified settlements is a fact! And a bunch of those to which the pipe was brought up and that was all over, since the rest of the costs of carrying out the settlement, connecting to the houses, connecting ... fall on the shoulders of consumers. Not to mention gas equipment. Not everyone will pull it ...
          Why in other countries that are not gas exporters, a pipe is put into a consumer’s house for free ???
          1. Lev Bronsch
            Lev Bronsch 31 October 2017 21: 15 New
            0
            But gasification is considered precisely by the number of settlements, even if there are at least two yards and 100 km to the nearest "pipe" .. (The fact that% is low, no one argues, but how much work was done in the 90s ?? then they went to minus - people cut pipes, dug up and sold to ferrous metal, just so as not to die of hunger !! If the wires were cut off under voltage! "Holy Years", edrit them !! am
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 28 October 2017 11: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Sige
        The line was especially amused: "Russia in Berlin will get a reliable partner." This “reliable” partner will be able to impose sanctions against Russia at any time and nullify all profits recorded in any agreements.
        Yes, completeness sir bear you nonsense. Gas went to Germany back in the days of the USSR, when the Berlin Wall stood, and a limited contingent of Soviet troops was comfortably placed behind it, and nothing ..... they took gas without showing off, because this favorably increased their industrial potential. The share of Russian gas in total consumed in Europe is no less than 50% and it is simply not realistic to find a replacement for it in the short term. If you just turn on the valve and not let go, it means that you have to put your own economy with cancer. For example, are you capable of interrupting all the bulbs in your chandeliers and sitting proudly with a splinter?
        Quote: sapporo1959
        So I'm talking about that! Today, a friend whose patriots are in a hickey, and tomorrow he can turn out to be an enemy. Well, again, hotheads offer Europe to be captured, and then to sell gas to them, so that they don’t sleep? It’s said that it’s not profitable to gasify their country .. Here and where to put it then?

        Today, more than half of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline route to China has already been built, and 1,5 years remain before its launch. The volumes of pumped gas will be practically comparable with the volumes sent to Europe. In addition to China, India, South Korea and Japan are interested in extending the gas pipeline to its territory, which will require additional volumes of gas and, in turn, will make China a gas hub in the region. It becomes completely pointless to put pressure on Russia with one European gas market. if they don’t want to take gas, then it can be transferred to the East Asian direction. So, it’s not the only Europe ... And Ukaine is of course a khan, since a pipe without gas becomes a useless asset that no investor even wants to take for nothing . There will be blockchains on this pipe smuggling cigarettes to Europe.
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 28 October 2017 11: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The share of Russian gas in total consumed in Europe is no less than 50%



          Seriously?))




          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The volumes of pumped gas will be practically comparable with the volumes sent to Europe.



          Seriously??))



          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Yes, completeness sir bear you nonsense.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 29 October 2017 02: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          For example, are you capable of interrupting all the bulbs in your chandeliers and sitting proudly with a splinter?

          The fact that you use electricity and pay stably for it makes you reliable consumerbut not a partner ...
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 27 October 2017 17: 41 New
      +2
      They can also click my nose at any time, but let them try .....
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 October 2017 19: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Sige
      This “reliable” partner will be able to impose sanctions against Russia at any time and nullify all profits recorded in any agreements.

      It will not even be a shot in the leg, but a shot at the temple. For after this, the European chemical industry can be closed - with current LNG prices, it will be unprofitable. And given that in the absence of Russian pipeline gas, LNG will become a monopolist in the European market, its price can soar even higher.
      That is why Germany is now cosplaying Japan: they say, politics is separate, and the economy (more precisely, its gas part) is separate. The dances around OPAL are an example.
    4. Ulan
      Ulan 27 October 2017 20: 07 New
      +4
      Well, he will introduce himself and harm himself. If there are such, then this is their choice.
      What is now generally fenced off from everyone and not to trade with anyone? Tea 21st century in the yard. And the risks have always been and will be.
      So you need to turn, as always, to folk wisdom - to be afraid of wolves, not to go to the forest.
      Conclusion - the bear does not need to be afraid of wolves.
    5. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 28 October 2017 11: 20 New
      +3
      Right! Remember the mantras that rushed from everywhere a few years ago: "Yes, this cannot be, so that the Russians and Ukrainians fought against each other, this is impossible." It turned out to be very possible. Yes and the same Deutsch - two wars with us .....
  4. Catherine II
    Catherine II 27 October 2017 16: 51 New
    +4
    Funny, the author considers this as capitulation (he saw other publications, where Gazprom will sign the capitulation) turning everything into a farce (common-ordinary in Russian / Ukrainian affairs).
    Although the interests of Russia are the interests of Gazprom, I will not argue, Germany is our main partner, and this is true (the EU is Russia's largest partner).
    So all for the sake of partners. What is the sacred meaning of the article? Peremoga over Ukraine (calling it a capitulation) is fine ... The victory of Germany over the Russian Federation and Ukraine is impossible; All the same, the interests of the corporation Gazprom, I would not quite attributed to Russia.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 October 2017 17: 27 New
      +5
      Tell me, dear
      Moreover, Europe will not pay money for this to Kiev, but will take the Ukrainian pipe either in concession or in leasing, but with the obligatory condition of full control over it.
      This was recently announced by the head of Naftogaz of Ukraine, Andrei Kobolev.
      It's true? what
      1. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 28 October 2017 10: 19 New
        0
        Yes, it’s true, it’s very popularized by ukros ...
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 28 October 2017 02: 16 New
      +9
      Now the interests of Russia are inversely proportional to the interests of Ukraine. That's all. They’re even better for us. Baska had to think before.
    3. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 28 October 2017 10: 23 New
      0
      Of course, the interests of the corporation, even with state participation, and the state are not identical)). BUT, in the case of a struggle for sales markets, moreover, a struggle by political opponents, I’ll clarify the dirty political one, the interests of the corporation and the state coincide! Moreover, without the state, the corporation will lose this fight at a time, because the propaganda machine acts against it and the majority is watered. forces, simple economic reasons can not be convinced here!
  5. Overlock
    Overlock 27 October 2017 17: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Wend
    Europe will not take risks, because Russia may refuse to transport gas through the Ukrainian pipe,

    the pipe will simply explode and end up in the sky. No pipe, no problem
  6. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 27 October 2017 17: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    Quote: sapporo1959
    Russia and the country seem to be big! And he puffs up and rises from his knees, but in addition to the only trumpet, in fact, there are nothing more to punish the offenders of their so-called Benderaites.

    But Russia does not punish its offenders - it “loves” them, so to speak! The more someone tries to offend her, the more he gets “love,” and it is not for nothing that there is a saying: Russia is a generous soul! laughing laughing laughing

    Politics, she is such a policy!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 October 2017 23: 05 New
      +1
      "NATO HELP !!!" ... Yes, Bear will handle it!
  7. Placebo
    Placebo 27 October 2017 18: 09 New
    +4
    It is clear that Germany is an enemy, centuries-old and recent times are no exception, therefore, relations with it are purely business. But there is no worse enemy than the brother who betrayed. Therefore, Putin is doing everything right ...
  8. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 27 October 2017 18: 14 New
    +2
    Yuri, well, then you are so ... Somehow it’s even embarrassing to say elementary truths to an intelligent person ((. In order:
    1. No geopolitical buns due to the introduction of gas pipelines since the 80s of the USSR and in the 90s of the Russian Federation have NOT been acquired. Or do you consider geopolitical luck the collapse of the USSR and the vassal position of the Russian Federation in the 90s ?? Now we can hardly get out.
    2. In general, all geopolitical players do not give a damn about how gas, as well as oil, will reach the consumer - Europe (in the broad sense of the EU +, ..). Yes, some groups want a gesheft on the "Ukrainian" pipe, others on the Nordic pipes and so on. flows, yes Gazprom correctly proves the purely economic benefits of SP-2. BUT! THE MAIN THING! All current games around gas / Ukraine / flows are a game for whose gas Europe will consume and, accordingly, to whom it will pay for it! AND EVERYTHING !! In general, everything ... They will find a reason to declare a gas / oil embargo on the Russian Federation - and Trump, the US voter, will bring him to the presidency for a second term without elections. Remind what Obama was really proud of? The creation of 2 jobs in the oil and gas industry! And here is the possibility of such an increase for American corporations, and even the EU to put on a short leash, a fairy tale and more! Here is the only significant, once again - economically significant, component of the "Maidan" that explains their participation, their money, their approval of the ATO and their "manual" control of the entire ruling elite of Ukraine, and the downed Boeing (the recipe is Libyan) and that's it all-all (Bulk, the murder of Nemtsov, frantic propaganda and ...). The most sad thing for us is that as far as such a scenario is disadvantageous to Europe in the short and medium term, it is so beneficial to it in the long run. The only thing that stops the Germans and others is the blurring of terms and the general uncertainty in the world, well, + American greed, because costs so far offer to pay only to Europeans. I’ll explain: submit a statement by the US Department of Energy on state subsidies to companies supplying “emergency” liquefied natural gas to the European market due to some force majeure and the cessation of supplies from Gazprom, in order to prevent the price increase on the European gas market. That’s all, after a quarter maximum, the gap between the EU and Russia’s diplomatic relations, and the announcement of the oil and gas embargo. As for oil, the Saudis and Venezuela will get out of hand, do not hesitate. Occasion? Yes, there are a million of them for the Western mass media - they shot down a Boeing, attacked Ukraine, carried out exercises, supported Assad .. continue?
    It is clear that the calculation of the depletion of the budget, the collapse of the Russian Federation into specific territories and the transition to managing territories in the Ukraine style, respectively, are good for Europe from: the oil and gas sector, most likely in the form of privatization (Rosneft, Transneft, Gazprom ..) and PSAs, flight million citizens of the former Russian Federation to Europe and their replacement of African / Arab migrants, well, and China's goat face - NATO on the Amur, what? One sadness, the Americans do not want to pay a decade, and the Europeans do not want to wait so much, but earlier it will not work. So Ukraine is one of the tools here. And by the way, under the scenario of an embargo of transit, there will also be no Ukraine through the GTS)).
    3. In order for there to be a different European geopolitical alignment, the elites of Europe must agree on what they are interested in - our "titmouse in the hand" or the overseas "crane in the sky." And how they are determined, so we will find out right away, they will tell by CNEN laughing
  9. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 27 October 2017 19: 34 New
    +2
    For this, Uktransgaz stands out as a separate campaign, and its management will be transferred to the hands of the European consortium, which will sign all the necessary agreements with Gazprom in 2018-19. Moreover, Europe will not pay money for this to Kiev, but will take the Ukrainian pipe either in concession or in leasing, but with the obligatory condition of full control over it.

    from changing the terms of the terms, the amount does not change. Something like this.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 28 October 2017 11: 33 New
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      Quote: Atlant-1164
      For this, Uktransgaz stands out as a separate campaign, and its management will be transferred to the hands of the European consortium, which will sign all the necessary agreements with Gazprom in 2018-19. Moreover, Europe will not pay money for this to Kiev, but will take the Ukrainian pipe either in concession or in leasing, but with the obligatory condition of full control over it. from changing the terms of the terms, the amount does not change. Something like this.

      That's just the amount that is changing, or rather its recipient. Those transit 2 billion American rubles received by urcaine will be received by those who take the pipe. In order for someone to take it, there must be confidence that this pipe will be filled with gas, which today is a big question? Without gas, it's just a pipe.
  10. Eight
    Eight 27 October 2017 19: 46 New
    +3
    When you read such articles, it seems that all activity is aimed at the fight against Ukraine. That railway was bypassed - everything, Ukraine is over. That pipe, bypassing, was stretched -ur, overthrown. The sun doesn’t manage to get around. Is there really no other problems in the country?
    1. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 27 October 2017 20: 06 New
      +3
      Well, judging by the Russian telecasts that are going on here in Belarus, there really are no problems in Russia other than banderas in Ukraine. Yes, and here and then sometimes you remember that the pension seems to be small with such Russian riches and you’re ready to shoot them right on the spot type for poklep on the bright face of the head .. So there is nothing to think about pensions and salaries when the brutal Bandera with the State Department on the country's leaders run into ..
      1. Eight
        Eight 27 October 2017 20: 10 New
        +3
        It’s just interesting when, in accordance with the weekly predictions of the local oracles, Ukraine will disappear, what will it (these oracles) be. They don’t know how to write about something else. And the second question - what will frighten and distract attention. So Ukraine must be protected.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 28 October 2017 09: 29 New
          +9
          She has already disappeared, look at the map. Ukraine in the form in which it seceded from the USSR does not exist.
          And I and you sapporo1959 I wish such a neighbor as Ukraine, who has only one desire, to spoil the "cursed masks".
          I think you will be very happy when, for example, they will yell (excuse me) on the streets of Kiev - “bully for a knife” and “bully for knives”, and the burning of Khatyn by Ukrainian police battalions will be declared a heroic and noble act - the struggle for independence, and those mr ... zey who did this, the heroes of Ukraine.
          I'll see how you sing then.
          Russia solves its economic problems, good or bad, but it solves, and at the same time helps Belarus itself.
          So lift your nose here and try to run into Russia, like it’s not that busy, at least indecent.
          In general, it’s good to be an outside observer. By the way, part of the economic problems of Russia is connected with Ukraine, it’s a shame to not know.
          And finally, look at the site map; most of the articles there are not about relations between Russia and Ukraine.
          You have written poorly gentlemen ... dishonestly.
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      3. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 28 October 2017 10: 37 New
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        And you are all thinking about Russia. Sit this way in your Switzerland waiting for the Maybach with a driver in a chalet and all about poor Russian grandmothers with a beggarly pension laughing . Oh, I’ve made a mistake, this is a voice from garbage can No. 2 (No. 1 was stiffly staked by Ukraine!) .. And tell us, serf German, the size of pensions from rich and happy pensioners of Belarus? Or maybe you will be thrown off the whole country, and give Russia $ 6,5 billion in loans, and we will raise pensions! Here I am amazed - a person lives in a country directly sponsored by us, and has the audacity to consider our parents' pensions! am Shit would be better in their servile bloomers counted !! For reference, zmagaru - Full load SP-1, SP-2, Turkish stream 1,2 + The power of Siberia and a flawed transit through the GTS means the ability to stop gas pumping through the Republic of Belarus to Europe! Yes, Gazprom will lose a little money on this, but the gain in other areas is ten times more! Moreover, the Psheks are completely crazy and really only sit on LNG since 2022! And who ever said that SP-2 is only against Ukraine ?? He is generally against ALL unreliable transit countries !! Get ready, Bulbashi, worry about your pensioners better !!!
        And about the size of your pensions, well, I would have been silent for a while, the lackey is stupid, I would not have disgraced myself! hi
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    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 28 October 2017 11: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Eight
      When you read such articles, it seems that all activity is aimed at the fight against Ukraine. That railway was bypassed - everything, Ukraine is over. That pipe, bypassing, was stretched -ur, overthrown. The sun doesn’t manage to get around. Is there really no other problems in the country?

      You have not correctly emphasized. Russia has a bunch of problems that urcaine created for her. The events you listed are just examples of successful solutions to these problems. Only you still forgot to add that after the Ukrists blew up the power transmission towers to the Crimea, after the introduction of the energy bridge from the mainland to the peninsula, the juntics lost 200 million dollars. Note that all actions of Russia are only retaliatory measures.
  11. Andrey Kandakov
    Andrey Kandakov 28 October 2017 01: 29 New
    0
    enchanting clowns ... the money received for transit is spent on the purchase of reverse gas, it's like a shoemaker without boots ... and there will be no transit, what kind of shisha they are going to drown ... enchanting clowns
  12. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 28 October 2017 06: 43 New
    +2
    Guard! The Ukrainian gas pipe is being deprived of the innocence that it has kept since Kuchma! laughing In a perverted form! laughing
  13. shinobi
    shinobi 28 October 2017 11: 34 New
    0
    Yeah, they’ll give striped Europe, shchazzzz! Is it just that they’re stuffing their troops into an old woman? It’s not up to Russia to protect, so that the old bear does not surrender.
  14. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 28 October 2017 14: 31 New
    +1
    We really need this geopolitical axis!
  15. Leonidych
    Leonidych 28 October 2017 15: 00 New
    0
    The Ukrainian site will remain in an emergency. In general, everything goes to this. Well, wait and see. whether this forecast will come true or not. And then the Americans can provoke a war if only Russia and Germany did not achieve their goals in gas and other issues. But Ukraine is specifically sorry, they are miserable.
  16. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 28 October 2017 15: 06 New
    0
    And in this case, we should expect the expansion of economic ties between Russia and Europe,

    How naive !! what are the connections, really did these stories with investments not teach anything ?? An example is the announcement of the opening of a factory for the assembly of televisions, allegedly parts are imported duty-free: - a screen, an electronic unit, a front and a back cover - everything is ready. Workers get paid and currency is exported from the country. In this case, the state does not receive huge amounts disproportionate to the cost of assembly, and so everywhere.
    We are happy that we are becoming a raw materials appendage !! Reindustrialization ??? ITS only with closed borders can be carried out.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 16: 02 New
      +8
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Workers get paid ...

      ... and this is good. The state, I add, receives taxes. And that is good too.
      Quote: aybolyt678
      ... and currency is exported from the country ...

      Yah... belay
      This is where did she come from in this factory to be "exported"?
      Explain if possible ...
      Quote: aybolyt678
      In this case, the state does not receive huge amounts disproportionate to the cost of assembly, and so everywhere.

      Were it not for this of your plant, the state would not have received anything.
      So this is for the "huge amounts" that the "state loses"?
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Reindustrialization ??? ITS only with closed borders can be carried out

      Well, yes, of course (s)
      Technologies, machines, machines and others, ahem ... mechanisms (without which there are no Indian - 3 - ali - nations ... "not to be") you will be delivered anunahs from Nibiru, not otherwise ... yes
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 October 2017 06: 47 New
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        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Explain if possible ..

        simple arithmetic: the cost of a TV is the cost of a screen with an electronic unit of 90 percent, the front and back covers are 5 percent, and the assembly with delivery by region is 5 percent. The cost of the screen with email. the block already includes the profit of a foreign corporation, as a result, the money leaves the country. The same picture with computers, cars ... Assembly is not technology. Which could be purchased for taxes levied on the import of finished goods.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 29 October 2017 06: 51 New
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        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Technologies, machine tools, cars and other, ahem ... mechanisms (without which there are no Indian - 3 - ali - zatsii ... "not to be") you will receive anunahs from Nibiru, not otherwise ... yes

        and you find high-tech production laughing work there settle down. I am sure that in addition to the security guard of the supermarket you will not find vacancies within a radius of 10 km.
  17. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 28 October 2017 16: 22 New
    +2
    My vision: without Russia, the EU will simply be very cold and hungry. All these siemens, abb, krupp, mb, bmw, etc. at the moment exist precisely thanks to OUR GAS, all production is on it. Germany and the whole EU for the next 50 years can not get away with this needle, no matter who, that would not blather. China, burning almost all of its natural coal reserves, is losing strength. Here the power of SIBERIA became needed. Hydrogen (read water) to us, i.e. I don’t yet saddle mankind, I don’t know how many more years. So gentlemen will pump gas from Russia for a long time. I feel a little uneasy when I think about those wastelands in the bowels that remain after gas extraction. Quiet horror.
    Well, about the banderlog. Put the pot on the cook and all together: lard to Ukraine, lard to the heroes.
    Great weekend to everyone!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 29 October 2017 11: 48 New
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      Quote: Patriot-771
      My vision: without Russia, the EU will simply be very cold and hungry.

      the average temperature in Western Europe is about the same as in Crimea, so it won’t be very cold there. They can exist due to gas from Africa-Americas. But the fact that we sell resources - for this our grandchildren will curse us and be ashamed of the past of their country ..
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  19. Black sniper
    Black sniper 28 October 2017 16: 55 New
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    Before the pan jumped to "bite the bite" ...
  20. Roman 11
    Roman 11 28 October 2017 18: 13 New
    +2
    Something a lot of enthusiasm for the article ...... well, yes, Russia is a raw material the colony West, why rejoice then? Do not know how to make money? It has always been known from history, the tsars paid the same loans with the blood of our soldiers for Anglo-Saxon interests. When fool no, we are just glad that the natural heritage of our descendants is being pumped out of us.
    Already, some of them are asking - why didn’t you save the USSR?

    The time will come and they will ask why it’s so idiotic pros..if natural wealth? And we continue to grimace fool as long as pensions are not frozen. That's when the Ostap evacuate everything, in these territories it’s not like pensions, it will be impossible to live, because everything will be taken out both coal and uranium, everything!

    In the meantime, we rejoice from the runaways from U.S gas branches fool
  21. Dimax
    Dimax 28 October 2017 18: 35 New
    0
    In this game, not all moves have yet been made: US attempts to push liquefied gas into Europe will continue ....
  22. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 28 October 2017 21: 07 New
    +5
    It could even be ... Moreover, the plans for transferring gas metering to Europe from the western border to the eastern border of Ukraine have already taken shape in real progress. And that's all ... Kiev surrendered like a transit country. Europe will independently serve the Ukrainian pipe and use it.
  23. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 October 2017 23: 08 New
    +1
    The author would still correct grammatical errors ......
  24. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 29 October 2017 00: 43 New
    0
    The author of the article forgot to take into account the activities of the Young Europeans, who fulfill the will of the United States, and not the EU.
  25. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 29 October 2017 02: 14 New
    0
    the most powerful pro-Russian lobby has formed in Europe.
    Something the results of his activities are not visible!
    And those who right now in Europe are defending Russian interests have not yet been officially named, but I think in 10-15 years we will also learn about their merits.
    In-in! The entire lobby is from the former: and it costs them nothing, and it makes us neither cold nor hot ...
    Russia in Berlin will get a reliable partner
    Well yes. Berlin will continue to reliably advocate the extension of anti-Russian sanctions!
  26. zzdimk
    zzdimk 29 October 2017 07: 29 New
    0
    Quote: SIMM
    It’s not worth it to drag this rusty scrap metal to us ... more expensive

    Why drag? Sell ​​as property of Gazprom to the Turks on a pick-up basis.
  27. SergF123
    SergF123 29 October 2017 07: 55 New
    +3
    I agree with the author that all this, this whole gas situation is nothing more than a "long game" specifically to Germany! If God had offended the intellect of “our brothers”, we can’t do anything ..... The worst thing in this situation is that the Urabanderlogs didn’t understand that they simply “raped” them and continue to “have” them to the joy of the EU and sad laughter of the Russian Federation)))) And even worse, they are not at all sorry ... I know this firsthand, my relatives live there ...
  28. jacek3377777
    jacek3377777 29 October 2017 09: 29 New
    0
    It seems to me that everything is much worse. Without gas, Ukraine will be forced to rebuild its economy under other energy suppliers. And here America can capture a hefty piece of the pie (Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia - and Belarus will complete this project). All these countries, once included in the Commonwealth. So the state with which Russia fought the most was formed. And I will say frankly that I fought unsuccessfully (the Partition of the Speech of the Paspolit was made by 4 countries at the same time, from 4 sides). The most interesting thing is that Poles and Litvinians (Slavs) are superior to Russians in militancy. And given that in World War II Russia won at the expense of human resources (their qualities, they were opposed only by the Germans, the rest of the nationalities who fought on the Germans' side are slag, from the point of view of warfare)

    And trading in natural resources is not a fountain. What Europe sells to Russia, what it cannot do. Cars ???? I am laughing. The Russians flew into space. So many things have been created. and here is the car. It’s funny. Machine tools ???? Nonsense. Washing powder ???? Namely Adidas. I love this company. Just super. But gentlemen of the Russians, Adidas was created by man, and wood by God. Who is cooler???? And how much you need to pay for one pine adidas. I think that steam that way is probably 1000-10000 just right. And you are 1 adidas - 100 pines. It’s funny. Solid scam
    1. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 31 October 2017 21: 29 New
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      It’s strange, I personally know many Belarusians — reasonable, educated, smart people. But in the comments, like the flag of the Republic of Belarus, so inadequate is complete !! Can ukrotrolli disguise themselves? sad Here, carefully read the commentary of this, multi-seven, because real nonsense is the field of activity of big psychiatry (((. Maybe the moderator somehow weed out the nonsense flows - well, you can’t miss this !!
  29. akm8226
    akm8226 29 October 2017 16: 22 New
    0
    There is simply nothing more to add. By the way, I have long said that the Germans - yes, yes, the Germans! - you can work for Russia alone and have shark money from it! Such a market, such resources! Rivet your Mercia and BMW and sell it in Russia - the very same machines and other consumer electronics with appliances! But Trump and in his face the United States such a situation as a sickle, I apologize, hence all the tricks of Merkel. But this did not last long to endure - a year or two from strength.
  30. Aleks Wer
    Aleks Wer 31 October 2017 05: 18 New
    +2
    Ukrainians lived while Russia fed. But the freebie is over. Let them jump.
  31. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 1 November 2017 11: 07 New
    0
    Maybe it’s worth considering the question of creating a gas union between Russia and Germany, similar to the European Coal and Steel Association?
    In principle, the tasks of such a new association would be consistent with the old Paris agreement.
  32. NordOst16
    NordOst16 13 November 2017 20: 03 New
    0
    Mmm ... ls Germany-Russia. Somewhere I already saw it, mmm .. maybe in the 30s of the last century?)))