On the chassis of the BMP "Dragoon" can create a light tank with an 125-mm gun

Recently in a number of countries interest in lungs has woken up again tanks. True, these fighting vehicles can be called light only conditionally - in terms of their mass they are more consistent with medium tanks of the Second World War, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Such armored vehicles are currently being built in South Korea, Indonesia, Turkey and China.

Russian defense enterprises in this direction can also make potential customers a number of very attractive offers: “Besides the 2C25M Sprut SDM1, which is positioned as a self-propelled gun, the appearance of a light-medium version of the tank is possible on the Dragoon BMP chassis. At least in 2015, such a machine was told at an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil Russia Arms EXPO 2015, ”says a material by Roman Katkov.

He notes that the Dragoon with the 125-mm cannon, embodied in the armor, “will have an interesting feature - an engine with a capacity of more than 800 hp. will be located in front of the car, while the tank, unlike foreign competitors, will be floating. "

Judging by the publications, the combat module is unified with the similar one mounted on the Sprut.

The machine will be able to hit targets not only with projectiles, but also guided missiles, and modern sights will allow it to operate effectively both day and night.

Currently, BMP "Dragoon" successfully passed the tests. It is likely that "it will become the basis of the unified modular platform in demand in our time," the author concludes.

Comments

[NEXUS]

The question is, why do we need a light tank, if we already have it and it is called Octopus? Again, we are creating a line of almost the same complexes with the same capabilities and tasks.

[Berber]

Maybe an export option. Although to be honest, I also see no reason.

[alexmach]

It’s possible that Dragoon would be put into mass production. More chassis units in the series - each unit is cheaper. And so I will understand the same Octopus only on Dragoon and not on the classic BMP-3.
And the question is what the military should buy.

[Setrac]

Quote: alexmach

And so I will understand the same Octopus only on Dragoon and not on the classic BMP-3.

Actually, the Octopus-SD is on the BMD and not on the BMP.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

The question is, why do we need a light tank

For intelligence.

Quote: NEXUS

if we already have it and is called Octopus?

Octopus is for the Airborne Forces. The machine allows parachute landing and therefore very, very expensive.
In addition, a light tank based on the "Dragoon" can be equipped with better protection. Again, due to the lack of requirements for landing.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Spade

Octopus is for the Airborne Forces. The machine allows parachute landing and therefore very, very expensive.

Question-And do we need a light tank so massively? For what? So that techies do not seem like honey?
There is an Octopus for an assault, why should a land tanker have a light tank?

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

Question-And do we need a light tank so massively? For what?

For intelligence, that's it.

Quote: NEXUS

So that techies do not seem like honey?

There are already quite a lot of vehicles based on BMP-3, but in the future their number will only increase.

Quote: NEXUS

There is an octopus for landing

There is. It is expensive, it is intended for landing, it is very, very poorly protected.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Spade

For intelligence, that's it.

Why do we need a massive series of light tanks? Is it necessary, with such a diverse and already armored lineup, taking into account new models based on the Boomerang and Kurganets (which is being redesigned in a hurry)?

Quote: Spade

There is. It is expensive, it is intended for landing, it is very, very poorly protected.

A light tank a priori will be poorly protected, as it is light. A canopy of new armor will turn it not at all into a light tank.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

Why do we need a massive series of light tanks?

For intelligence. units of the ground forces.

Quote: NEXUS

A light tank a priori will be poorly protected, as it is light.

But at the same time it will be floating. What will provide intelligence. units need mobility.

Quote: NEXUS

A canopy of new armor will turn it not at all into a light tank.

Dragoon is better protected by default than Octopus. Consequently, the machine based on it will have the best protection.

[marshes]

125 to Dragoon, not seriously if you do not sell to the countries of South, Asia and Africa.
But thresher 57, as an enhancement to a platoon of BMP-3 Dragoons, maybe that was it.

[Alex777]

The engine forward and the 125 mm cannon on top are mainly weapons for export. For modernization, etc. IMHO.

[electrooleg]

57 mm module turned out serious. I really look forward to seeing new samples equipped with it! Yes, and I think everyone is looking forward to "Barys" Kazakhstan cool turned out.

[aszzz888]

while the tank, unlike foreign competitors, will be floating. ”

... along the way, after the PT-76, we seemed to have no amphibious tanks ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: aszzz888

... along the way, after the PT-76, we seemed to have no amphibious tanks ...

And Octopus is your what?

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

And Octopus is your what?

PT SAU

[NEXUS]

Quote: Spade

PT SAU

You can call it anything you like, but the gun on it is from the tank, and not from Msta-S.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

You can call it anything you like, but the gun on it is from the tank, and not from Msta-S.

What’s the gun here?
He is armed with anti-tank units. Means- PT SAU

[NEXUS]

Quote: Spade

He is armed with anti-tank units. Means- PT SAU

I repeat, do not call it, but it doesn’t change the essence. You still haven’t answered me.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

I repeat, do not call him, but the essence

... this is a tank destroyer. Because it is armed with anti-tank units. With all the consequences. Including the fact that these units are commanded by artillery officers.

If the T-90 tank was put into service with the PTA OPTADN batteries, then due to the specifics of its combat use, this would be a pure tank destroyer.

[Haye]

Actually, the "Dragoon" with a 125 mm gun is also a tank destroyer, everything else will depend on where it (the Dragoon in the sense, and the Octopus too) is determined, everything else is pure sophistry.

[Svarog51]

Here, please, it floats and it seems that even a fire can lead afloat.

[batonow44]

Did any of your acquaintances serve on the Octopus?
I have a classmate commander of this miracle ... more precisely, his first modification.
Ask around and compare reviews.

[Proton]

What kind of things, they didn’t have time to break in one, abandoned, give another to create, give the same kurgan and the bankrupt factory, who needs such a motley

[Grits]

What is the point of making a light tank based on BMP if you already have a light tank based on BMD (extended) with the same gun?
The only difference is that in Octopus there is no landing squad. If this is still a tank - then why would he land? If this is an infantry fighting vehicle, then why a tank gun? The ideal option on Dragoon is 57 mm. gun. Both infantry support and light armored vehicles are sewn through, and helicopters and attack aircraft can be wrestled with.

[marshes]

Quote: Gritsa

The ideal option on Dragoon is 57 mm. gun. Both infantry support and light armored vehicles are sewn through, and helicopters and attack aircraft can be wrestled with.

It is possible even without an airborne detachment, To create a pure fire support vehicle, the vacated space will be used for ammunition, and the crew can be enclosed with armored shields.

[mariusdeyeraleone]

I see only commercial goals here. Production in Russia is much cheaper than in other countries of the world.

[Per se.]

Use the BMP chassis under the tank 125 mm gun ... It would somehow be more suitable for the Marines or Airborne Forces (BMD). In the ground forces, under the tank guns, there are tanks themselves, and it would be better if the base (platform) from the BMP was used for self-propelled guns of the Nona type, especially since the layout of the Dragoon will be in place here, and especially with plans for new 120-152 mm systems.

“Currently, TsNIItochmash is already developing promising samples of self-propelled artillery guns as part of Zauralets-D,” said Dmitry Semizorov, general director of TsNIIochtomash, at TASS.
According to him, two calibers are being developed - 120 and 152 mm. According to the CEO, they will be distinguished from the existing samples by “the firing range and the power of the shot”.

[Zomanus]

Interestingly, after the installation of the gun, the landing can be transported there?
Well, theoretically, you can put a bunch of different modules on the shoulder ...

[tchoni]

Exclusive IMHO. A machine weighing up to 25 tons should be wheeled. In this case, it makes sense. Otherwise, it makes sense to combine the shortcomings of a caterpillar mover and low security !? But, let’s say, a tower from the same octopus on a “boomerang” would have looked very appropriate ....

[Sergey53]

The Marines will do. Yes, and the infantry. For airborne do their own, lightweight.