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Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

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The document provides for a possible limitation of the cooperation of Moscow and Washington in space and the export of Russian titanium, on which foreign aircraft industry seriously depends. According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.


Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space


This information was announced by the Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the Federation Council Andrei Klimov. The parliamentarian noted that at this stage it is important to calculate in advance all the details in order to reduce the risks of Russian corporations in this area. Klimov said that when making such a decision, the principle “measure seven times, cut once” is more important than ever.

The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but you need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, it does not hit us
- declared the senator.

The Russian parliamentarian said that Russian countermeasures should not harm Russian exporting companies, so the document will be coordinated with business representatives from the Russian Federation.

The draft law on sanctions against Washington should undergo a series of approvals, but we can already say that the prepared package of Russian sanctions measures will be one of the toughest, they note "News"
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  1. Logall
    Logall 26 October 2017 10: 19
    18
    Come on! We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...
    And they just got born am
    1. The black
      The black 26 October 2017 10: 23
      10
      Russia supplies about 40-60% of titanium to Boeing and Airbus corporations.
      We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 October 2017 10: 31
        +7
        That's it. Are our producers able to find a consumer? The economy has already hit such horns. Ukrainuote = Black] [quote] Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations with about 40-60% of titanium. . We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest .... [/ quote]
      2. Evdokim
        Evdokim 26 October 2017 10: 58
        +7
        [/ quote] We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only manufacturers of titanium in the world. [/ Quote]
        I apologize, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds. But they will sell through third parties, and you will not find traces.
        1. Berber
          Berber 26 October 2017 12: 13
          +4
          Through third parties more expensive. Yes, and if you wish, you can tinker with third parties. Just do it is not profitable - Boeing gives us many jobs.
        2. The black
          The black 26 October 2017 13: 11
          +2
          Quote: Evdokim
          I'm sorry, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds

          Russia takes 3rd place, after China and Japan ....
        3. ARES623
          ARES623 26 October 2017 22: 32
          +3
          Quote: Evdokim
          I apologize, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds. But they will sell through third parties, and you will not find traces.

          And at the same time, Russia has a huge fleet of watermelons and Boeings for domestic and international traffic. We will block the titanium for them, they will give us the maintenance of the flying equipment ... We will go from Vladik to Kaliningrad on a steam train laughing laughing laughing
          1. user
            user 27 October 2017 09: 49
            +2
            Let's go from Vladik to Kaliningrad on a steam train


            No, we’ll just finance the restoration of the Il, Tu and Su fleet, rather than the lobbies of Boing and Airbas. At the same time, our aircraft engineers will be in demand.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 27 October 2017 10: 16
              0
              Quote: user
              No, we’ll just finance the restoration of the Il, Tu and Su fleet, rather than the lobbies of Boing and Airbas. At the same time, our aircraft engineers will be in demand.

              Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately, the MS-21 and SSJ-100 with the Tu-204 are not IL-2 at all, and Russia will not make them in the year 4000, as in 1945. During the period of power, Bori-drunk almost all of the aviation industry, along with locksmiths and engineers, passed through. And today it has what we have, i.e. fatal dependence on the enemy in this direction. And years will pass before we saturate our airlines with our equipment. Until then, one must be careful and not "hit the dishes" to the enemy for joy.
      3. Orel
        Orel 26 October 2017 11: 19
        +5
        Quote: Black
        We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....


        Hmm, they do not know what they are doing. If the Americans in the cosmos and aircraft industry think up some sanctions, then they certainly are not. The Chinese will then buy and resell this titanium in the USA. A great way to give China even more money, essentially from scratch. Or you’ll have to sell to China at a cheaper price than we are selling the United States, because no one will take such an abrupt extra titanium. There are no risks for China, one profit, but for us there will be retaliatory sanctions. And in terms of space, they can be sensitive to us. The United States will be able to do without us in the future in the construction of an orbiting lunar station and other projects. It will be more difficult for us to do it all alone. I hope that I’m smart enough not to touch space and aircraft construction. We can only be losers here. And on their own stupidity and initiative.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 26 October 2017 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Orel
          Hmm, they do not know what they are doing.

          And I realized that "cooperation" was going to expand
          Russia tested a maneuvering satellite in action ...... Russian space forces successfully tested a maneuvering military satellite inspector, capable of flying up to other orbiting vehicles and inspecting them
          laughing
        2. Ncplc
          Ncplc 26 October 2017 12: 10
          +3
          You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 26 October 2017 13: 10
            +2
            Quote: Ncplc
            then they


            Who are they?
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 26 October 2017 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: Ncplc
            You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))

            And why should they sing something, they have iPhones. laughing
      4. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 26 October 2017 12: 35
        +6
        Quote: Black
        Russia supplies about 40-60% of titanium to Boeing and Airbus corporations.
        We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

        Let them deliver. No pity. And titanium is such a thing that we ourselves will be very useful. I don’t even want to talk about the tears in GDP from the sale of titanium. Losses from these sales can easily be incredibly replaced by deliveries of hawchik to Asia. Our stinking talkers from the State Duma, as always, slow down and are several years late. Only the lazy did not write in VO that he shouldn’t be able to separate the stars from space and titanium - let them scorch money for their developments, they’ll do everything, they’ll last less.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 26 October 2017 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: Logall
      We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...

      Spied on in. Plagiarizing. smile
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 26 October 2017 10: 40
      11
      Prala, sell titanium, but to load the carcass of Lesha Kudrin, and without the right to return to Russia! He rinses the economy to them no worse than sanctions and about the necessary sequestration of the military budget of the Pentagon will eat a hole in the Yankees turtles. Professional brainworm, however! am
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 26 October 2017 10: 48
      +5
      However, business is more important than politics. Business will have to unfasten this deputy thoroughly so that he changes his mind to the opposite. laughing
    5. Primoos
      Primoos 26 October 2017 11: 15
      +6
      Will our parliamentary guardians feed from their small salaries the families of workers who work at suppliers' factories? I doubt it! We will not cooperate with mattress in space, we ourselves will stop flying there! Cosmic thought will die! Do we need it? Tired of this parliamentary-populist bullshit!
      1. Cutter
        Cutter 26 October 2017 11: 26
        +6
        Business is business ... Economics defines policy. But "shut off oxygen to them" would have to ...
        The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich

        So you have to "answer" so that they understand. This gang understands only the language of power ... am
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 26 October 2017 11: 45
        +8
        Quote: Primoos
        We will not cooperate with mattress in space, we ourselves will stop flying there! Cosmic thought will die!

        It is very doubtful that Russia receives any benefit from such cooperation. The supply of titanium to the United States was ruined by its own civil aviation industry. Deliveries of RD-180 rocket engines allowed the United States to develop its military satellite constellation without significant costs on their part. And the American ballast at Mir station is generally more unprofitable both technologically and economically.
        Quote: Primoos
        feed the workers' families

        At the expense of American contracts, managers of various levels “effective managers” are being fed rather, skilled workers at enterprises and scientists at research institutes have been lacking and will not be enough.
    6. Chestnut
      Chestnut 26 October 2017 11: 45
      +3
      Russia will impose sanctions - like a phrase from a joke.
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 26 October 2017 12: 39
        +6
        Quote: Chestnut
        Russia will impose sanctions - like a phrase from a joke.

        Yeah ... while the liberal crooks and the remaining CPSU nomenklaturachiki, who dragged the popular property into their pocket, are in power, this looks like a joke.
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 October 2017 12: 44
      +5
      Quote: Logall
      Come on! We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...
      And they just got born am

      This, of course, is all fun, but ... It’s not sad to admit it, but the United States has much more leverage to put pressure on us so that little seems to us. For example, to impose sanctions on the sale of all equipment, electronics, which are all almost Western. This is an example. Russia responds by being very limited in these very leverage over the United States that it has at its disposal.
      Quote: Black
      We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

      You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.
      1. Gransasso
        Gransasso 26 October 2017 12: 55
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.




        Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 October 2017 13: 01
          +6
          Quote: Gransasso
          Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...

          Dear, please announce how much you are paid for such mediocre work of yours, on rubbishing forums with not clever comments?
          Or are you doing this solely from your personal convictions, absolutely free of charge?
          1. Gransasso
            Gransasso 26 October 2017 13: 15
            0
            Well ... I immediately turned to the lyrics ... we’re on the topic .... please the audience with the numbers of titanium production in the world and, especially, mining .... do you even have a minimal idea of ​​what you write about?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 October 2017 13: 47
              +7
              Quote: Gransasso
              Well ... I went to the lyrics right away

              Sorry, I'm talking about what you already know.
              Regarding the mining of titanium ...
              Russia has the second largest reserves of titanium in the world, after China. The mineral and raw material base of titanium in Russia is made up of 20 deposits (of which 11 are primary and 9 alluvial), fairly evenly dispersed throughout the country. The largest of the explored deposits (Yaregskoye) is located 25 km from the city of Ukhta (Komi Republic). The reserves of the deposit are estimated at 2 billion tons of ore with an average titanium dioxide content of about 10%.

              The world's largest titanium producer - the Russian company VSMPO-AVISMA

              And about the production ...
              VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation is integrated into the global aerospace industry and is for many companies the main strategic supplier of titanium products. The number of employees is about 20 thousand people.

              About 60% of products are exported. The corporation provides up to 40% of the needs of Boeing in titanium, 60% of the needs of EADS, 100% - Embraer. In 2012, the corporation increased its share in the global medical titanium market to 23%. Moreover, in 2012, the volume of orders from Russian consumers increased, pre-order was 10 thousand tons, more than 12 thousand tons were purchased. In the post-Soviet period, Russian consumers did not order more than 7 thousand tons, on average, the order was 5-6 thousand . t. per year.

              About 30% of the titanium produced by the corporation goes to industrial production, 40% - to the aircraft industry, 20% - to the engine building and 10% - to the production of rockets. In addition, VSMPO-AVISMA supplies titanium and aluminum (and products from them) to other sectors of the economy, and also produces consumer goods. Until the end of 2012, VSMPO-AVISMA produced forged wheels. VSMPO is one of three Russian companies with international accreditation "Nadcap" for manufacturers in the aerospace and military industries.

              The partners of the organizations are more than 300 companies in 48 countries of the world, including the world's leading aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Airbus, SNECMA, Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney. The corporation is integrated into the global aerospace industry and is a leading supplier of aviation titanium for Airbus and Ural Boeing Manufacturing.
              1. Gransasso
                Gransasso 26 October 2017 13: 52
                +1
                And here are the RESERVES ????


                You said that Russia comes first in the mining of titanium ores ...

                Come on tsiferki ... HOW MANY Russia DOES TITANIUM ORE ??? ??? and how many other countries .. well, at least the main ... digits of mining in Russia, come on ..

                And at the same time for production .. how many tons of titanium are produced by Russia .. and how much China for example ..
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 13: 55
                  +6
                  Quote: Gransasso
                  .Cycle mining in Russia come on ..

                  And who is reading in the wrong place?
                  Quote: Gransasso
                  Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...

                  That is, what was required to prove ... the detriment of the forum is your immediate task. So how much do they pay?
                  1. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 26 October 2017 14: 04
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Quote: Gransasso
                    .Cycle mining in Russia come on ..
                    And who is reading in the wrong place?



                    That's always the case with you .. instead of figures, at least some lyrics .... remember, activist, in Russia there is NO industrial mining of titanium ores ... do you understand Russian? .. NO extraction .. they work at IMPORT ... from Ukraine , South Africa, India, Senegal ....


                    Here explain to me what to call a Persian who even has no idea that Russia does not mine titanium ore and writes that by this indicator it is in first place in the world ...


                    In the production of titanium itself, do you want to substantiate in tons in numbers what kind of makar is Russia again in first place in the world?
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 26 October 2017 15: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      remember, activist, in Russia there is NO industrial mining of titanium ores ... do you understand Russian? .. NO mining .. work on IMPORT ... from Ukraine, South Africa, India, Senegal ....

                      Patstal.
                      And for those who know the technology - the same textbook to read nada - about China and Japan, still the cant comes out.
                      1. sogdy
                        sogdy 26 October 2017 15: 29
                        +3
                        And, I realized, Gransasso confuses production and recycling.
                        So only we do it. Other technologies do not. There are no territories for this technology.
                        As we have no places where it is possible to qualitatively develop heavy engineering - the production of machine tools for the production of machine tools. Where there is a foundation under the foundation, it shakes.
                2. Victor-M
                  Victor-M 26 October 2017 23: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Gransasso
                  Come on tsiferki ... HOW MUCH RUSSIA MINES titanium ores ??? and how many other countries .. well, at least the main ... tsiferki mining in Russia, come on.

                  No matter how much Russia produces, the appetite of our American "partners" is important.
                  How boiled spaghetti without sauce? laughing
              2. weksha50
                weksha50 26 October 2017 21: 30
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                Regarding the mining of titanium ...


                Andrei, I myself am not particularly of this Gransasso ... Too erratic and bile ... However, to eat it as a root, here he is right ...
                For deposits (explored) we are in second place in the world after China ... But for developed (that is, for production from these deposits) - not at any ... Still only planned ... Under the USSR, production was on / Ukraine, production - on the territory of the RSFSR ... The consequences were not slow to affect, especially after 2014 ...
                But there, below, I commented and pointed out that Russia has certain technologies for manufacturing parts from titanium, in particular for aviation (and not only) ...
                It's just that it’s more profitable for Boeing and Airbus to buy titanium parts from us than to set up their own production ... Cheaper and more practical ...
                But if necessary, they will get out, and this will already become a problem for Russian enterprises ... Alas ... hi
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 26 October 2017 21: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: weksha50
                  It’s just that it’s more profitable for Boeing and Airbus to buy titanium parts from us than to set up their own production ..



                  Titanium parts are manufactured at a Boeing joint venture with a Russian company of this ... on Western technologies and machine tools. And parts that are not ready for assembly are not manufactured, but semi-finished products. The last stage of finishing parts is done in the USA at Boeing plants.
                  1. Pingo
                    Pingo 18 March 2018 08: 10
                    0
                    and what does the Boeing do not do in its entirety, but on its machines? yes
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 26 October 2017 21: 13
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.


        One of the largest ... We are in third place in the production of titanium after China and Japan ...
        But in terms of the amount of titanium in explored deposits, we are not even in the top ten ...
        Just at this stage, our, Russian, scientists and manufacturers have some technologies for processing (manufacturing) parts from titanium ...
        If someone needs it, then our products - not immediately - but they will find a replacement ...
        So here the stick is about two ends ...
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 October 2017 10: 23
    14
    however, everything must be carefully weighed and analyzed so that, God forbid, it doesn’t hit us either

    Failure to carry Americans to an international station will hit more on the image of the United States. Yes, we will lose several tens of millions for each American astronaut, but we will leave the “greatest and not invincible” country without their astronauts in space for the Nth number of years. By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?
    1. The black
      The black 26 October 2017 10: 25
      12
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?

      Yes .... in Hollywood, they even shot a film wassat
    2. Lycan
      Lycan 26 October 2017 11: 22
      0
      We must not forget that sooner or later the United States will still invent engines. Let in 5-7 years ... and maybe this
      www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/20/10/2017/59e9b0
      689a79476a49a0a0b9
      zakochegarit a year and a half. There it is - at first expensive, and then, when establishing a partially machine assembly line - they will fix it. And after the invention, it will be explained in colorful commercials that the former engines were unstable, but the "heroes-cosmonauts" had to fly "Riding on Death" before today's "era of safe traction". This is a colorful movie with a commercial space-tourist bias and attractive ads for owners of gold toilets. How Apple's products are straightforward. But with a more appetizing “wrapper”.
      So in this area, it’s like scaring the hedgehog with the “lower chakra”
    3. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 26 October 2017 11: 24
      0
      For zero years, the cargo Dragon has an LSS and can carry astronauts. NASA just because of the lack of CAC does not carry on it. And he is waiting for the second Dragon with CAC. But in the case of sanctions, it can let astronauts on the first.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 26 October 2017 11: 31
        +1
        But in the case of sanctions, it can let astronauts on the first.

        Yes, and tailwind, if they go into orbit. Are you up to date with everything NASA can do? What so many years only with the help of Russian media?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 26 October 2017 13: 09
          0
          Have you heard of the Deltas, Falcons and Pegasus? laughing
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 26 October 2017 13: 17
            +1
            Have you heard about simple “Unions”?
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 26 October 2017 13: 21
              0
              Of course, I also heard about Unions and Protons.
          2. Vanek
            Vanek 26 October 2017 14: 29
            +2
            Quote: rotmistr60
            What so many years only with the help of Russian media?


            Quote: BlackMokona
            heard of the Deltas, Falcons and Pegasus?


            The subject matter is not disclosed.
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  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 26 October 2017 10: 25
    20
    Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space
    Hammer. This is money to the treasury. And the supply of titanium. The market to lose as two fingers on the asphalt. We’ll raise our (civilian) aircraft industry with the Chinese, then we will wave our saber. For now, we need to take those who cut our budget for kukan. And pushes smart words. "You can’t make money in the Russian economy. They tear apart"
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 26 October 2017 10: 34
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Hammer. This is money in the treasury. And the supply of titanium. The market to lose as two fingers on the asphalt

      That's it. Right now, Antosha Siluanov will conquer so she won’t seem to be enough. He will give an elementary example from the institute’s Macroeconomics textbook and make an insulted person- "they say you can’t refuse money"
    2. Smoked
      Smoked 26 October 2017 10: 36
      +6
      This is difficult for our parliamentarians. Have pity on them.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 26 October 2017 10: 38
        +8
        Smoked
        This is difficult for our parliamentarians. Have pity on them.
        Ha ha ha. That's for sure! There every second simpodyaga athlete, artist laughing And then geopolitical and macroeconomic issues wassat laughing
    3. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 26 October 2017 11: 07
      +2
      It is logical to start with their instruments of democratic influence, the media, embassies, 5 columns.
    4. KCA
      KCA 26 October 2017 11: 11
      +2
      Yes, we’re not selling titanium, titanium products made in Russia and developed, by the way, also in Russia, are also delivered to Boeing from Russia. There are many who can supply metal, but there is no one else who has the finished part.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 26 October 2017 11: 25
        0
        Details are also made by everyone.
        1. SOF
          SOF 26 October 2017 12: 32
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          ... all and sundry.

          ... but for some reason they are buying from us only.
          All this is strange.
          Or maybe Boeing with Airbus specifically us on export needle spare parts planted? Or maybe all this, for a long, long time, was invented by the CIA, so that we could be blackmailed by the loss of denyus?
          ... oh and all this is strange belay
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 26 October 2017 13: 10
            0
            Because we are cheaper. Compare the salaries of our workers and the American.
            1. SOF
              SOF 26 October 2017 13: 26
              +1
              ... and the salaries of the Chinese workers do not count?
              Just do not flood about the great, first in a row, the Chinese economy.
              The magnitude of the economy is not always directly proportional to the wages of workers, otherwise the whole world would not try to produce from the cartridge to the RTI in the heavenly places.
              The question remained unanswered: why, for example, in our country, and not in China?
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 26 October 2017 14: 13
                0
                Salaries in China have long been higher, significantly.
                https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/09/15/wages/
                China overtook Russia in average salary

                By the way, China is actively punching the issue of transferring dirty industries to us.
                1. SOF
                  SOF 26 October 2017 14: 31
                  +1
                  ... oooh, Ja, Ja, lenta.ru! Das ist fantastisch!
                  You do not know how statistics are written? laughing
                  Another oddity then turns out, both for “high-tech” rubber bands — so to China with highly paid specialists, and as for titanium spare parts — so to backward Russia, where the worker, by definition, is ready to work for half a liter.
                  ... technologies. It is because of them that the RD-180s, who have gotten sick of it, are bought from us, the engine to SU, advanced China, can’t copy at all, the buyers lined up for S-400.
                  ... CERN, TOKOMAK, X-ray free electron laser ...
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 26 October 2017 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Details are also made by everyone..


          Not at all ...
          So SOF has already answered ... "Buy for some reason only from us" ...
          While other manufacturers do not possess high-quality technologies for the production of parts from titanium ...
          It will take a lot of time and money to develop its production ...
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 October 2017 10: 28
    +5
    The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but you need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, it does not hit us
    - declared the senator.

    Nonsense, Mr. Senator. The choice is just not rich. And we will have big financial losses. But it is necessary to teach the presumptuous Greats a lesson, and this is the only area where they are weak. Market loss? It is unlikely that they will find an equivalent replacement - technology, even the Japanese will not master it tomorrow .....
  5. stolz
    stolz 26 October 2017 10: 34
    +4
    Quote: Observer2
    Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

    These proposals will never be realized, because the country's prestige is now nothing, and money is our everything.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 26 October 2017 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Stolz
      Quote: Observer2
      Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

      These proposals will never be realized, because the country's prestige is now nothing, and money is our everything.

      You should never say “never” in vain. If amerogeods strengthen their bydzhizh, so be it. It seems that our swindlers in power have already realized that they don’t shine anything good from the west and will have to raise the country for real.
      The legacy of these vile creatures - humpbacked and ebna will have to be raked for a long time. These nits and accomplices deliberately strangled our aircraft industry - the most advanced in the world at that time ..
  6. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 10: 37
    +1
    Trampolines ... only trampolines ... But it’s interesting, skew-haired Helium-3s are going to search and mine on the Moon, but what about us, apart from the Great Democratic? They, like, on the moon already know everything along and across? One color of the moon already means a lot ...
  7. Altona
    Altona 26 October 2017 10: 38
    +4
    The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle? It would be more logical to close rocket engines for them.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 26 October 2017 11: 07
      +2
      Well, they will answer - the Boeingbas will become a joke.
      As an option, putting them up for sale will deprive the Boeing of decent profits, because due to the excess supply of used but well-maintained vehicles, sales of new Pepelats will also decrease significantly. And they will refuse to service the "Russian" boards after their purchase by third countries - they will lose a large piece of the repair market and spare parts. Of course, Russia will not profit from this, but Boeing will not seem enough.
      And the Russian Federation will accelerate its aircraft industry.
      "Not so simple ..."
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 26 October 2017 11: 25
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle?

      I support. Plus, I’ll add that the sale of our titanium in the United States is the best evidence of the double-edgedness of the n-owls in their economic policy. You there in the EU limit export-import with Russia, suffer losses, reduce production, and we will buy titanium and RD-180 from them, to the sound of the surf. So, the fact of the sale of titanium is 2 dead rabbits: profit from the sale and irritant for Europe.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 26 October 2017 21: 41
      0
      Quote: Altona
      We won’t put ourselves in a puddle?


      We have a Duma - absolutely not thinking ... laughing There are not enough brains ...
  8. HMR333
    HMR333 26 October 2017 10: 50
    +2
    Well, as for titanium, as far as I understand, it is not titanium itself that is supplied, but titanium products and technology from other suppliers of titanium do not! but about the cosmos, it’s generally not a problem that can be replaced by other astronauts with the same Chinese theme!
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 26 October 2017 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: HMR333
      Well, as for titanium, as far as I understand, it is not titanium itself that is supplied, but titanium products and technology from other suppliers of titanium do not! but about the cosmos, it’s generally not a problem that can be replaced by other astronauts with the same Chinese theme!


      There, all the hitch is not so much in titanium as in technical processes. As you correctly noticed, it is not titanium itself that is delivered, but ready-made structural elements. And the choice is really small. Neither Japan nor China has such technologies.
  9. HMR333
    HMR333 26 October 2017 10: 52
    0
    and the faster they release their planes to the market, the faster and will occupy the market, especially when titanium is banned!
  10. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 10: 53
    +4
    We must not cooperate, but compete. The Americans stole a lot of scientific and technological achievements on space topics from us in the 1990 years, lured specialists and university professors. Now everyone is using it. And we, by the simplicity of our souls, joyfully declared ourselves "space taxi drivers." Come on, “illegal”, on my mind, but no, dancing to the tune of the control room in Houston. (I may be exaggerating, but in fact - it is). In order to prevent this from happening, one must understand that the United States is a competing "firm" and not "partners".
  11. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 10: 55
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle? It would be more logical to close rocket engines for them.

    For them, it is necessary to close not “rocket engines”, but access to the technological base and scientific developments.
  12. Tsoy
    Tsoy 26 October 2017 11: 01
    +2
    Speaking is so easy, especially in such a populist style. In the meantime ...

    Moscow. 27 September. INTERFAX.RU - The heads of the space agencies of Russia and the United States have agreed to create a new space station Deep Space Gateway in Moon orbit, the first modules of which can be launched in 2024-2026. This was stated to journalists by the head of "Roscosmos" Igor Komarov at the International Astronautical Congress in Australia.


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/580769


    Roscosmos has begun negotiations with NASA on booking seats on the new American manned ship Orion for Russian cosmonauts. This was stated by Sergey Krikalev, director of manned programs of the state corporation, RIA Novosti reports.


    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 11: 07
      0
      I mean, we were blown away?
      But I ask pardon, on what dviglah Orions will fly?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 26 October 2017 11: 26
        +1
        The USA has its own propelled launchers on its engines, Falcons, Deltas, Pegasus ......
        And Orion will fly to the Lunar Station on SLS, where the engines from the Shuttle are modernized.
      2. Tsoy
        Tsoy 26 October 2017 11: 29
        +1
        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
        But I ask pardon, on what dviglah Orions will fly?


        As already noted, Orion flies on the Delta IV and SLS. And there, and there their native star-striped.


        I mean, we were blown away?


        Not really. This is a "safety net" for unforeseen circumstances. Reciprocal castling. Americans on ours, we on theirs. But for some reason, the Union is mentioned, but not the Federation and flights to the ISS, to which Orion does not fly. His task is completely different.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 October 2017 14: 08
          0
          As long as the ISS exists, flights to it are carried out jointly. Even with the advent of new delivery vehicles, be it Dragon or Starliner, astronaut flights are also planned to be offset by American ships, as previously happened on shuttles. The Soyuz spacecraft will still be the ISS rescue ships.
          On the lunar station - since it is also planned by the international and the only manned system for it at the first stage, until the middle of the next decade, there will be SLS with Orion with a shift method of visiting it, then Russian cosmonauts will also be included in the crews of Orion. At the same time, with the creation of the STK LV at the end of the next decade, flights to this station and a manned “Federation” are possible, again, with mixed crews of astronauts and astronauts.
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 26 October 2017 15: 19
            0
            Quote: slipped
            At the same time, with the creation of the STK RN at the end of the next decade, flights to this station and the manned "Federation" are possible, again, with mixed crews from astronauts and astronauts.


            That's right, but the problem is precisely that it is the seats on the Unions that are stipulated, and not on the Federation. Confusion in general.

            Quote: Vlad.by
            Projects, projects ...
            As if the SLS and Orion itself, to put it mildly, do not fly.


            Like the heavy Russian launch vehicle and the Federation. SLS and Orion much closer to full operation.
        2. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 26 October 2017 14: 23
          0
          Projects, projects ...
          As if the SLS and Orion itself, to put it mildly, do not fly.
          And when, and most importantly, how they fly - another very big question
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 26 October 2017 14: 28
            0
            Orion has already flown.
            1. slipped
              slipped 26 October 2017 22: 31
              0
              No. And I gave you a proof in this matter. I can repeat again - an empty body flew, with a thermal insulation option.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 27 October 2017 01: 23
      0
      Quote: Choi
      https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/

      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      I mean, we were blown away?

      Lentauru of course a serious source ....
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 27 October 2017 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Lentauru of course a serious source ....


        To be more careful, this is RIA Novosti.
  13. Kondratko
    Kondratko 26 October 2017 11: 09
    0
    It is clear that nobody will cancel deliveries to the detriment of themselves, most likely it is a "promise" to the mattresses so that their turnips are scratched and thought finally.
  14. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 October 2017 11: 11
    +4
    Forbid why? You just need to raise the price once a quarter ...
  15. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 26 October 2017 11: 12
    +2
    Late we realized. sad

    For engines they have stock already delivered.
    For the delivery of cargo to the ISS - they have Signos and Dragons flying.
    According to the astronauts - the only thing left. Although Amer spaceships will begin to plow the Bolshoi Theater tomorrow laughing , I do not believe in this. Whatever Musk is talking about, the development of a new manned ship is a long process.

    For titanium - yes, they will buy from others if they find a suitable profile and more expensive. It will be painful, but not fatal.

    Where is uranium and palladium? belay am
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 26 October 2017 11: 28
      +1
      Mask has the first Dragon with LSS, if necessary, it will be launched on it.
      Uranus and Paladia in Canada is full.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 11: 57
        0
        And will the space toilets ask us again?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 26 October 2017 13: 09
          0
          They were on the Shuttles. laughing
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 26 October 2017 14: 25
            0
            Yes, they were on the "lunar" Apollo 5 pieces per brother ...
          2. Pingo
            Pingo 18 March 2018 08: 07
            0
            urinals only, for a full toilet "money was not enough" lol
  16. Egorovich
    Egorovich 26 October 2017 11: 20
    +6
    As long as one talking room is heard, there are no actions.
  17. SMP
    SMP 26 October 2017 11: 26
    0
    Titanium in a modern technological society is almost like the equivalent of gold.
    It is better to have strategic reserves of titanium in ...... eleven ..... thousand tons.

    Than waste paper in the form of dollars, titanium is metal for space, and if in the near future mini-candle factories will start building robots in near-moon and near-earth orbits, then it will be very, very smooth for our children.
    Enriched Uranus has already been sold to the United States, maybe enough?
  18. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 26 October 2017 11: 34
    +3
    Quote: Black
    Quote: rotmistr60
    . By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?

    Yes .... in Hollywood, they even shot a film wassat

    I watched. "Capricorn 1" is called wink
  19. japs
    japs 26 October 2017 11: 37
    +5
    ... "The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but we need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, not hit us too
    - said the senator. "

    Looking back at my sponsors ...
  20. rotor
    rotor 26 October 2017 11: 38
    0
    when making such a decision, more than ever, the principle is important - “measure seven times, cut once


    Stupidly, the deputies decided to cut the branch on which they are sitting. Space must be out of politics. Refusing to cooperate with the United States in space, we ultimately refuse international cooperation and space expansion. And as you know, one who owns space, that owns the world.
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 11: 44
      +1
      The one who owns the information owns the world, for everything else is secondary ...
  21. RUS96
    RUS96 26 October 2017 11: 49
    0
    By titanium. And if in return they refuse to service Boeing and Airbus? And what are we going to do?
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 11: 52
      +2
      And Nothing ... We grit our teeth for about thirty years, but we will revive the production of flying chests, troughs, and, maybe, plates ...
      1. Tsoy
        Tsoy 26 October 2017 15: 21
        0
        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
        plates ...


        Flying plates? Or satellite? Or ceramic? wassat
        1. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 17: 31
          0
          What difference does it make ... what we can and seeders ...
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 26 October 2017 18: 46
            0
            Quote: Ace of Diamonds
            What difference does it make ... what we can and seeders ...


            You have an extraordinary thinking. Seeders and plates, sounds like a set for all occasions. laughing
            1. Ace Tambourine
              Ace Tambourine 5 November 2017 09: 50
              0
              It's just from an old joke where, in response to a scout flying by, a peacefully working TASS vertical take-off seeder rose from the field
  22. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 26 October 2017 11: 54
    +1
    Nobody will do anything to their own detriment, but the idea is correct - sanctions must be answered. How? - Another question, for this we have a staff of analysts, let them think. And our business is to ensure that everything is in order at home, to help a neighbor, to take a grandson from a kindergarten ... to grease a gun and to sort through cartridges, suddenly you have to drive mattresses recourse
    1. rotor
      rotor 26 October 2017 12: 00
      0
      No one will do anything to their own detriment


      Who knows, who knows, maybe the deputies decided to do self-mutilation.
    2. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 12: 01
      0
      Well, for this, a scruffy rag is suitable, a cap on the last pin ...
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 26 October 2017 12: 31
        0
        Quote: Ace Tambourine
        Well, for this, a scruffy rag is suitable, a cap on the last pin ...

        It will not be enough, not enough ..... The USA is already charred, but so far they can’t get rid of the shots, they won’t return to sanity.
  23. vladimirw
    vladimirw 26 October 2017 12: 10
    0
    According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.
    finished parts must be sold
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 26 October 2017 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: vladimirw
      According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.
      finished parts must be sold


      So. Mining titanium is supplied to a joint venture with Boeing, where structural elements are smelted and parts ready for assembly are already going to factories in the USA.
  24. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 12: 55
    0
    [quote] Roscosmos began negotiations with NASA on the reservation of seats on the new American manned spacecraft Orion for Russian astronauts. This was stated by the director of manned programs of the state corporation Sergey Krikalev, reports RIA Novosti. [/ Quote]
    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/[/quot
    e]

    Those. we will not fly into space ourselves, should we understand that? I wonder what in this case our cosmonauts will be engaged in flying on American Orions? However, it is clear, apparently, to open / close the access hatches at the space station when the next crew of Chinese teikwonaut researchers arrive to visit the Americans.
    1. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2017 14: 12
      0
      Not so to be understood! Explain to you what "mixed crews" are in an international project? Look at the current ISS crew for a start.
  25. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 14: 26
    +3
    Quote: slipped
    Not so to be understood! Explain to you what "mixed crews" are in an international project? Look at the current ISS crew for a start.

    Dear, but perhaps explain what the "mixed crews" on the ISS are when they are all delivered to the station by the Russian Soyuz system. It will be interesting to know your interpretation. And do not forget, please explain the same thing, when instead of "Unions" will be used by the American "Orion". My opinion is that there are no fools in the USA, and therefore, if this happens, then, firstly, our astronauts will be taken there when they want it in Houston, and, secondly, their training will also smoothly transfer from Star in Houston with all that it implies. And the Chinese, unlike us, are developing their manned program themselves, looking to the future, and not to the counter. So it's time to get ready for the "artistic" opening doors ...
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 26 October 2017 15: 32
      0
      Quote: 1536
      Dear, but perhaps explain what the "mixed crews" on the ISS are when they are all delivered to the station by the Russian Soyuz system. It will be interesting to know your interpretation. And do not forget, please explain the same thing, when instead of "Unions" will be used by the American "Orion". My opinion is that there are no fools in the USA, and therefore, if this happens, then, firstly, our astronauts will be taken there when they want it in Houston, and, secondly, their training will also smoothly transfer from Star in Houston with all that it implies. And the Chinese, unlike us, are developing their manned program themselves, looking to the future, and not to the counter. So it's time to get ready for the "artistic" opening doors ...


      China has already announced a suspension in the implementation of the lunar program. 5 years ago, everyone shouted that they would master the moon, but it was easy to talk, but it was not so easy to do.

      With regards to the article. DSG, that is, the lunar station will be international. The Russian Federation announced its readiness to design a hub and some modules for it. In the case of the project, the only system that will be able to fly to the moon and, accordingly, to the station in the near future will be only Orion. That is why such negotiations are being conducted. The Federation, only in 22 for testing will arrive. By this time, NASA has already carried out a manned circling of the moon on Orion. Plus, a heavy launch vehicle is absent at least until 30, and without it you can forget about the Moon.

      But in general, it was all written in the water. Without the approval of the White House, there will be no DSG, even though it has a huge number of lobbyists.

      Those. we ourselves will not fly into space, so it is necessary to understand?


      If the DSG station does not exist, and the MKS will not extend the life span until 28 has nowhere to fly. Roscosmos is now in a stalemate.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 17: 34
        0
        So, it’s been carried out 50 years ago? Or is it Hollywood?
    2. slipped
      slipped 26 October 2017 23: 01
      +2
      Yes, I will explain without problems not “my interpretation”, but Roscosmos’s policy on this issue. Since the station is international, during its operation, the Space Shuttle system was an alternative to the Soyuz system for the delivery of interchangeable crews. As a result, on an American ship, 11 astronauts flew to the ISS. And they didn’t just fly off, but also worked in the carriage of the station, which by definition is simply “mixed” and cannot be divided into “yours and ours”. And also during the shift one commander of this crew is selected, and it can be either Russian or American or European. Accordingly, the payment of these deliveries served as the same delivery of Americans to the "Union". At the moment, the shuttles went to the museum, so the Americans are forced until recently to pay for seats on the Soyuz, as they do not provide us with alternatives, but with the appearance of such a "payment" cease. I must say that the extreme "payment" is not money, but offsetting the debt of RSC Energia of the Boeing company, for the Sea Launch. Boeing, in turn, "sold" these places to NASA.
      Now, according to Orion. During the construction phase of the VOC, the Orion crew will consist of pilots and flight specialists, one of which will be the Russian astronaut, who is in the crew of the station’s shift. How Roskosmos will pay for delivery is unknown to me. If the budget is allocated for this, then in money, if not, then with the future flights of the Federation. The training of our astronauts in Houston was already during their flights on the shuttle, so that there will be nothing new in this.
      The Chinese wanted to, but they are not given, they have to develop themselves by buying technology from us.
  26. Swetliy
    Swetliy 26 October 2017 14: 37
    0
    There is no half-friendship. We are friends - we deliver. And now we are enemies.
  27. Sergey53
    Sergey53 26 October 2017 15: 10
    0
    Since big money is spinning here, nobody will limit anything.
  28. Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich 26 October 2017 17: 14
    0
    Do not limit, but completely stop
  29. cedar
    cedar 26 October 2017 17: 47
    0
    Quote: Ncplc
    You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))


    Better you forbid the United States of America to hammer sanctions, then we’ll sing ...
  30. Old26
    Old26 26 October 2017 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: Vita VKO
    And the American ballast at Mir station is generally more unprofitable both technologically and economically.

    Of the EMNIP, 90 kW of electric power, Americans give only 77%. Russian segment - 13 kW. The volume of the western segment exceeds the Russian one. And the main equipment for conducting experiments in space is in the western segment, and not in the Russian one. Of course, if they give the most, then it is unprofitable.

    Quote: Ace Tambourine
    And will the space toilets ask us again?

    Each has its own. There are 3 of them on the ISS. One in the Russian segment, one in the American one and one “portable. That’s interesting, but if we have a problem with the toilet, then what will we say? And it’s a long trump that they used our

    Quote: Egorovich
    As long as one talking room is heard, there are no actions.

    And will not be. It’s the talking room, to the public, they say how cool we are, we will want and impose sanctions. In fact, flights are paid until 2019 if my sclerosis does not fail me. There is a stock of engines, and those that are not yet - they are also paid. we will have to return a rather sickly piece of "green". We introduce sanctions on titanium - my God, but there are people who want to fill the market right away. Lose the market - just spit. to answer is problematic. Sanctions on agricultural products for Russia have shown this well. That from Turkish tomatoes was not crowded, now we must try to find them on the shelves. they have lost the market and so far even in the long run nothing of the kind has been achieved

    Quote: 1536
    Those. we will not fly into space ourselves, should we understand that? I wonder what in this case our cosmonauts will be engaged in flying on American Orions? However, it is clear, apparently, to open / close the access hatches at the space station when the next crew of Chinese teikwonaut researchers arrive to visit the Americans.

    So the whole point is that their Orion "is planned in 2019 by the EMNip in a manned version, and our" Federation "has been pushed back to 2023. The fate of the" Angara "is not clear. And then there’s nothing to let it go. That’s
  31. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 27 October 2017 07: 42
    0
    Quote: IvanIvanov
    It is logical to start with their instruments of democratic influence, the media, embassies, 5 columns.

    Against themselves, you propose that they pass laws? They will freeze
  32. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 27 October 2017 09: 15
    0
    Something retaliation creates the same big problems for us. Not that we have a government, NOT that!
  33. Wolka
    Wolka 27 October 2017 14: 15
    0
    maybe the Yankees will stick for a while, but not for long, everything is relative, time will tell ...
  34. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 27 October 2017 15: 52
    +1
    Yes, I never believe that Russia will decide to do something across the pin. Dos. The wrong country is not that leadership ... as they say, it is necessary to have iron "Faberge", and not an omelet like the current ones ... At first the country was driven into a TOTAL dependence on pin. without strong "Faberge" in the "elite".