Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

The document provides for a possible limitation of the cooperation of Moscow and Washington in space and the export of Russian titanium, on which foreign aircraft industry seriously depends. According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.

This information was announced by the Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the Federation Council Andrei Klimov. The parliamentarian noted that at this stage it is important to calculate in advance all the details in order to reduce the risks of Russian corporations in this area. Klimov said that when making such a decision, the principle “measure seven times, cut once” is more important than ever.

The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but you need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, it does not hit us

- declared the senator.

The Russian parliamentarian said that Russian countermeasures should not harm Russian exporting companies, so the document will be coordinated with business representatives from the Russian Federation.

The draft law on sanctions against Washington should undergo a series of approvals, but we can already say that the prepared package of Russian sanctions measures will be one of the toughest, they note "News"

Comments

[Logall]

Come on! We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...
And they just got born

[The black]

Russia supplies about 40-60% of titanium to Boeing and Airbus corporations.

We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

[210ox]

That's it. Are our producers able to find a consumer? The economy has already hit such horns. Ukrainuote = Black] [quote] Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations with about 40-60% of titanium. . We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest .... [/ quote]

[Evdokim]

[/ quote] We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only manufacturers of titanium in the world. [/ Quote]
I apologize, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds. But they will sell through third parties, and you will not find traces.

[Berber]

Through third parties more expensive. Yes, and if you wish, you can tinker with third parties. Just do it is not profitable - Boeing gives us many jobs.

[The black]

Quote: Evdokim

I'm sorry, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds

Russia takes 3rd place, after China and Japan ....

[ARES623]

Quote: Evdokim

I apologize, but Russia is the largest producer of titanium and its compounds. But they will sell through third parties, and you will not find traces.

And at the same time, Russia has a huge fleet of watermelons and Boeings for domestic and international traffic. We will block the titanium for them, they will give us the maintenance of the flying equipment ... We will go from Vladik to Kaliningrad on a steam train

[user]

Let's go from Vladik to Kaliningrad on a steam train

No, we’ll just finance the restoration of the Il, Tu and Su fleet, rather than the lobbies of Boing and Airbas. At the same time, our aircraft engineers will be in demand.

[ARES623]

Quote: user

No, we’ll just finance the restoration of the Il, Tu and Su fleet, rather than the lobbies of Boing and Airbas. At the same time, our aircraft engineers will be in demand.

Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately, the MS-21 and SSJ-100 with the Tu-204 are not IL-2 at all, and Russia will not make them in the year 4000, as in 1945. During the period of power, Bori-drunk almost all of the aviation industry, along with locksmiths and engineers, passed through. And today it has what we have, i.e. fatal dependence on the enemy in this direction. And years will pass before we saturate our airlines with our equipment. Until then, one must be careful and not "hit the dishes" to the enemy for joy.

[Orel]

Quote: Black

We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

Hmm, they do not know what they are doing. If the Americans in the cosmos and aircraft industry think up some sanctions, then they certainly are not. The Chinese will then buy and resell this titanium in the USA. A great way to give China even more money, essentially from scratch. Or you’ll have to sell to China at a cheaper price than we are selling the United States, because no one will take such an abrupt extra titanium. There are no risks for China, one profit, but for us there will be retaliatory sanctions. And in terms of space, they can be sensitive to us. The United States will be able to do without us in the future in the construction of an orbiting lunar station and other projects. It will be more difficult for us to do it all alone. I hope that I’m smart enough not to touch space and aircraft construction. We can only be losers here. And on their own stupidity and initiative.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Orel

Hmm, they do not know what they are doing.

And I realized that "cooperation" was going to expand

Russia tested a maneuvering satellite in action ...... Russian space forces successfully tested a maneuvering military satellite inspector, capable of flying up to other orbiting vehicles and inspecting them

[Ncplc]

You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))

[Vanek]

Quote: Ncplc

then they

Who are they?

[Victor-M]

Quote: Ncplc

You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))

And why should they sing something, they have iPhones.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Black

Russia supplies about 40-60% of titanium to Boeing and Airbus corporations.

We will not supply - others will supply. We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

Let them deliver. No pity. And titanium is such a thing that we ourselves will be very useful. I don’t even want to talk about the tears in GDP from the sale of titanium. Losses from these sales can easily be incredibly replaced by deliveries of hawchik to Asia. Our stinking talkers from the State Duma, as always, slow down and are several years late. Only the lazy did not write in VO that he shouldn’t be able to separate the stars from space and titanium - let them scorch money for their developments, they’ll do everything, they’ll last less.

[DenZ]

Quote: Logall

We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...

Spied on in. Plagiarizing.

[Major Yurik]

Prala, sell titanium, but to load the carcass of Lesha Kudrin, and without the right to return to Russia! He rinses the economy to them no worse than sanctions and about the necessary sequestration of the military budget of the Pentagon will eat a hole in the Yankees turtles. Professional brainworm, however!

[siberalt]

However, business is more important than politics. Business will have to unfasten this deputy thoroughly so that he changes his mind to the opposite.

[Primoos]

Will our parliamentary guardians feed from their small salaries the families of workers who work at suppliers' factories? I doubt it! We will not cooperate with mattress in space, we ourselves will stop flying there! Cosmic thought will die! Do we need it? Tired of this parliamentary-populist bullshit!

[Cutter]

Business is business ... Economics defines policy. But "shut off oxygen to them" would have to ...

The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich

So you have to "answer" so that they understand. This gang understands only the language of power ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: Primoos

We will not cooperate with mattress in space, we ourselves will stop flying there! Cosmic thought will die!

It is very doubtful that Russia receives any benefit from such cooperation. The supply of titanium to the United States was ruined by its own civil aviation industry. Deliveries of RD-180 rocket engines allowed the United States to develop its military satellite constellation without significant costs on their part. And the American ballast at Mir station is generally more unprofitable both technologically and economically.

Quote: Primoos

feed the workers' families

At the expense of American contracts, managers of various levels “effective managers” are being fed rather, skilled workers at enterprises and scientists at research institutes have been lacking and will not be enough.

[Chestnut]

Russia will impose sanctions - like a phrase from a joke.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Chestnut

Russia will impose sanctions - like a phrase from a joke.

Yeah ... while the liberal crooks and the remaining CPSU nomenklaturachiki, who dragged the popular property into their pocket, are in power, this looks like a joke.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Logall

Come on! We have already commented on all this! And trampolining, too ...
And they just got born

This, of course, is all fun, but ... It’s not sad to admit it, but the United States has much more leverage to put pressure on us so that little seems to us. For example, to impose sanctions on the sale of all equipment, electronics, which are all almost Western. This is an example. Russia responds by being very limited in these very leverage over the United States that it has at its disposal.

Quote: Black

We are not the only titanium producers in the world ..... and not the largest ....

You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.

[Gransasso]

Quote: NEXUS

You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.

Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gransasso

Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...

Dear, please announce how much you are paid for such mediocre work of yours, on rubbishing forums with not clever comments?
Or are you doing this solely from your personal convictions, absolutely free of charge?

[Gransasso]

Well ... I immediately turned to the lyrics ... we’re on the topic .... please the audience with the numbers of titanium production in the world and, especially, mining .... do you even have a minimal idea of ​​what you write about?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gransasso

Well ... I went to the lyrics right away

Sorry, I'm talking about what you already know.
Regarding the mining of titanium ...

Russia has the second largest reserves of titanium in the world, after China. The mineral and raw material base of titanium in Russia is made up of 20 deposits (of which 11 are primary and 9 alluvial), fairly evenly dispersed throughout the country. The largest of the explored deposits (Yaregskoye) is located 25 km from the city of Ukhta (Komi Republic). The reserves of the deposit are estimated at 2 billion tons of ore with an average titanium dioxide content of about 10%.

The world's largest titanium producer - the Russian company VSMPO-AVISMA

And about the production ...

VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation is integrated into the global aerospace industry and is for many companies the main strategic supplier of titanium products. The number of employees is about 20 thousand people.

About 60% of products are exported. The corporation provides up to 40% of the needs of Boeing in titanium, 60% of the needs of EADS, 100% - Embraer. In 2012, the corporation increased its share in the global medical titanium market to 23%. Moreover, in 2012, the volume of orders from Russian consumers increased, pre-order was 10 thousand tons, more than 12 thousand tons were purchased. In the post-Soviet period, Russian consumers did not order more than 7 thousand tons, on average, the order was 5-6 thousand . t. per year.

About 30% of the titanium produced by the corporation goes to industrial production, 40% - to the aircraft industry, 20% - to the engine building and 10% - to the production of rockets. In addition, VSMPO-AVISMA supplies titanium and aluminum (and products from them) to other sectors of the economy, and also produces consumer goods. Until the end of 2012, VSMPO-AVISMA produced forged wheels. VSMPO is one of three Russian companies with international accreditation "Nadcap" for manufacturers in the aerospace and military industries.

The partners of the organizations are more than 300 companies in 48 countries of the world, including the world's leading aircraft manufacturers Boeing, Airbus, SNECMA, Rolls Royce, Pratt & Whitney. The corporation is integrated into the global aerospace industry and is a leading supplier of aviation titanium for Airbus and Ural Boeing Manufacturing.

[Gransasso]

And here are the RESERVES ????


You said that Russia comes first in the mining of titanium ores ...

Come on tsiferki ... HOW MANY Russia DOES TITANIUM ORE ??? ??? and how many other countries .. well, at least the main ... digits of mining in Russia, come on ..

And at the same time for production .. how many tons of titanium are produced by Russia .. and how much China for example ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gransasso

.Cycle mining in Russia come on ..

And who is reading in the wrong place?

Quote: Gransasso

Have you ever tried in your life to read something before writing your heresy? ...

That is, what was required to prove ... the detriment of the forum is your immediate task. So how much do they pay?

[Gransasso]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Gransasso
.Cycle mining in Russia come on ..
And who is reading in the wrong place?

That's always the case with you .. instead of figures, at least some lyrics .... remember, activist, in Russia there is NO industrial mining of titanium ores ... do you understand Russian? .. NO extraction .. they work at IMPORT ... from Ukraine , South Africa, India, Senegal ....


Here explain to me what to call a Persian who even has no idea that Russia does not mine titanium ore and writes that by this indicator it is in first place in the world ...


In the production of titanium itself, do you want to substantiate in tons in numbers what kind of makar is Russia again in first place in the world?

[sogdy]

Quote: Gransasso

remember, activist, in Russia there is NO industrial mining of titanium ores ... do you understand Russian? .. NO mining .. work on IMPORT ... from Ukraine, South Africa, India, Senegal ....

Patstal.
And for those who know the technology - the same textbook to read nada - about China and Japan, still the cant comes out.

[sogdy]

And, I realized, Gransasso confuses production and recycling.
So only we do it. Other technologies do not. There are no territories for this technology.
As we have no places where it is possible to qualitatively develop heavy engineering - the production of machine tools for the production of machine tools. Where there is a foundation under the foundation, it shakes.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Gransasso

Come on tsiferki ... HOW MUCH RUSSIA MINES titanium ores ??? and how many other countries .. well, at least the main ... tsiferki mining in Russia, come on.

No matter how much Russia produces, the appetite of our American "partners" is important.
How boiled spaghetti without sauce?

[weksha50]

Quote: NEXUS

Regarding the mining of titanium ...

Andrei, I myself am not particularly of this Gransasso ... Too erratic and bile ... However, to eat it as a root, here he is right ...
For deposits (explored) we are in second place in the world after China ... But for developed (that is, for production from these deposits) - not at any ... Still only planned ... Under the USSR, production was on / Ukraine, production - on the territory of the RSFSR ... The consequences were not slow to affect, especially after 2014 ...
But there, below, I commented and pointed out that Russia has certain technologies for manufacturing parts from titanium, in particular for aviation (and not only) ...
It's just that it’s more profitable for Boeing and Airbus to buy titanium parts from us than to set up their own production ... Cheaper and more practical ...
But if necessary, they will get out, and this will already become a problem for Russian enterprises ... Alas ...

[Gransasso]

Quote: weksha50

It’s just that it’s more profitable for Boeing and Airbus to buy titanium parts from us than to set up their own production ..

Titanium parts are manufactured at a Boeing joint venture with a Russian company of this ... on Western technologies and machine tools. And parts that are not ready for assembly are not manufactured, but semi-finished products. The last stage of finishing parts is done in the USA at Boeing plants.

[Pingo]

and what does the Boeing do not do in its entirety, but on its machines?

[weksha50]

Quote: NEXUS

You are mistaken, dear. Russia is the largest producer of titanium products and a titanium miner in the world.

One of the largest ... We are in third place in the production of titanium after China and Japan ...
But in terms of the amount of titanium in explored deposits, we are not even in the top ten ...
Just at this stage, our, Russian, scientists and manufacturers have some technologies for processing (manufacturing) parts from titanium ...
If someone needs it, then our products - not immediately - but they will find a replacement ...
So here the stick is about two ends ...

[rotmistr60]

however, everything must be carefully weighed and analyzed so that, God forbid, it doesn’t hit us either

Failure to carry Americans to an international station will hit more on the image of the United States. Yes, we will lose several tens of millions for each American astronaut, but we will leave the “greatest and not invincible” country without their astronauts in space for the Nth number of years. By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?

[The black]

Quote: rotmistr60

. By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?

Yes .... in Hollywood, they even shot a film

[Lycan]

We must not forget that sooner or later the United States will still invent engines. Let in 5-7 years ... and maybe this
www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/20/10/2017/59e9b0
689a79476a49a0a0b9
zakochegarit a year and a half. There it is - at first expensive, and then, when establishing a partially machine assembly line - they will fix it. And after the invention, it will be explained in colorful commercials that the former engines were unstable, but the "heroes-cosmonauts" had to fly "Riding on Death" before today's "era of safe traction". This is a colorful movie with a commercial space-tourist bias and attractive ads for owners of gold toilets. How Apple's products are straightforward. But with a more appetizing “wrapper”.
So in this area, it’s like scaring the hedgehog with the “lower chakra”

[Blackmokona]

For zero years, the cargo Dragon has an LSS and can carry astronauts. NASA just because of the lack of CAC does not carry on it. And he is waiting for the second Dragon with CAC. But in the case of sanctions, it can let astronauts on the first.

[rotmistr60]

But in the case of sanctions, it can let astronauts on the first.

Yes, and tailwind, if they go into orbit. Are you up to date with everything NASA can do? What so many years only with the help of Russian media?

[Blackmokona]

Have you heard of the Deltas, Falcons and Pegasus?

[rotmistr60]

Have you heard about simple “Unions”?

[Blackmokona]

Of course, I also heard about Unions and Protons.

[Vanek]

Quote: rotmistr60

What so many years only with the help of Russian media?

Quote: BlackMokona

heard of the Deltas, Falcons and Pegasus?

The subject matter is not disclosed.

[Observer2014]

Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

Hammer. This is money to the treasury. And the supply of titanium. The market to lose as two fingers on the asphalt. We’ll raise our (civilian) aircraft industry with the Chinese, then we will wave our saber. For now, we need to take those who cut our budget for kukan. And pushes smart words. "You can’t make money in the Russian economy. They tear apart"

[DenZ]

Quote: Observer2014

Hammer. This is money in the treasury. And the supply of titanium. The market to lose as two fingers on the asphalt

That's it. Right now, Antosha Siluanov will conquer so she won’t seem to be enough. He will give an elementary example from the institute’s Macroeconomics textbook and make an insulted person- "they say you can’t refuse money"

[Smoked]

This is difficult for our parliamentarians. Have pity on them.

[Observer2014]

Smoked

This is difficult for our parliamentarians. Have pity on them.

Ha ha ha. That's for sure! There every second simpodyaga athlete, artist And then geopolitical and macroeconomic issues

[Ivan Ivanov]

It is logical to start with their instruments of democratic influence, the media, embassies, 5 columns.

[KCA]

Yes, we’re not selling titanium, titanium products made in Russia and developed, by the way, also in Russia, are also delivered to Boeing from Russia. There are many who can supply metal, but there is no one else who has the finished part.

[Blackmokona]

Details are also made by everyone.

[SOF]

Quote: BlackMokona

... all and sundry.

... but for some reason they are buying from us only.
All this is strange.
Or maybe Boeing with Airbus specifically us on export needle spare parts planted? Or maybe all this, for a long, long time, was invented by the CIA, so that we could be blackmailed by the loss of denyus?
... oh and all this is strange

[Blackmokona]

Because we are cheaper. Compare the salaries of our workers and the American.

[SOF]

... and the salaries of the Chinese workers do not count?
Just do not flood about the great, first in a row, the Chinese economy.
The magnitude of the economy is not always directly proportional to the wages of workers, otherwise the whole world would not try to produce from the cartridge to the RTI in the heavenly places.
The question remained unanswered: why, for example, in our country, and not in China?

[Blackmokona]

Salaries in China have long been higher, significantly.
https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/09/15/wages/

China overtook Russia in average salary

By the way, China is actively punching the issue of transferring dirty industries to us.

[SOF]

... oooh, Ja, Ja, lenta.ru! Das ist fantastisch!
You do not know how statistics are written?
Another oddity then turns out, both for “high-tech” rubber bands — so to China with highly paid specialists, and as for titanium spare parts — so to backward Russia, where the worker, by definition, is ready to work for half a liter.
... technologies. It is because of them that the RD-180s, who have gotten sick of it, are bought from us, the engine to SU, advanced China, can’t copy at all, the buyers lined up for S-400.
... CERN, TOKOMAK, X-ray free electron laser ...

[weksha50]

Quote: BlackMokona

Details are also made by everyone..

Not at all ...
So SOF has already answered ... "Buy for some reason only from us" ...
While other manufacturers do not possess high-quality technologies for the production of parts from titanium ...
It will take a lot of time and money to develop its production ...

[Mavrikiy]

The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but you need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, it does not hit us
- declared the senator.
Nonsense, Mr. Senator. The choice is just not rich. And we will have big financial losses. But it is necessary to teach the presumptuous Greats a lesson, and this is the only area where they are weak. Market loss? It is unlikely that they will find an equivalent replacement - technology, even the Japanese will not master it tomorrow .....

[stolz]

Quote: Observer2

Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

These proposals will never be realized, because the country's prestige is now nothing, and money is our everything.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: Stolz

Quote: Observer2

Parliamentarians proposed to limit cooperation with the United States in space

These proposals will never be realized, because the country's prestige is now nothing, and money is our everything.

You should never say “never” in vain. If amerogeods strengthen their bydzhizh, so be it. It seems that our swindlers in power have already realized that they don’t shine anything good from the west and will have to raise the country for real.
The legacy of these vile creatures - humpbacked and ebna will have to be raked for a long time. These nits and accomplices deliberately strangled our aircraft industry - the most advanced in the world at that time ..

[Ace Tambourine]

Trampolines ... only trampolines ... But it’s interesting, skew-haired Helium-3s are going to search and mine on the Moon, but what about us, apart from the Great Democratic? They, like, on the moon already know everything along and across? One color of the moon already means a lot ...

[Altona]

The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle? It would be more logical to close rocket engines for them.

[Vlad.by]

Well, they will answer - the Boeingbas will become a joke.
As an option, putting them up for sale will deprive the Boeing of decent profits, because due to the excess supply of used but well-maintained vehicles, sales of new Pepelats will also decrease significantly. And they will refuse to service the "Russian" boards after their purchase by third countries - they will lose a large piece of the repair market and spare parts. Of course, Russia will not profit from this, but Boeing will not seem enough.
And the Russian Federation will accelerate its aircraft industry.
"Not so simple ..."

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Altona

The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle?

I support. Plus, I’ll add that the sale of our titanium in the United States is the best evidence of the double-edgedness of the n-owls in their economic policy. You there in the EU limit export-import with Russia, suffer losses, reduce production, and we will buy titanium and RD-180 from them, to the sound of the surf. So, the fact of the sale of titanium is 2 dead rabbits: profit from the sale and irritant for Europe.

[weksha50]

Quote: Altona

We won’t put ourselves in a puddle?

We have a Duma - absolutely not thinking ... There are not enough brains ...

[HMR333]

Well, as for titanium, as far as I understand, it is not titanium itself that is supplied, but titanium products and technology from other suppliers of titanium do not! but about the cosmos, it’s generally not a problem that can be replaced by other astronauts with the same Chinese theme!

[Tsoy]

Quote: HMR333

Well, as for titanium, as far as I understand, it is not titanium itself that is supplied, but titanium products and technology from other suppliers of titanium do not! but about the cosmos, it’s generally not a problem that can be replaced by other astronauts with the same Chinese theme!

There, all the hitch is not so much in titanium as in technical processes. As you correctly noticed, it is not titanium itself that is delivered, but ready-made structural elements. And the choice is really small. Neither Japan nor China has such technologies.

[HMR333]

and the faster they release their planes to the market, the faster and will occupy the market, especially when titanium is banned!

[1536]

We must not cooperate, but compete. The Americans stole a lot of scientific and technological achievements on space topics from us in the 1990 years, lured specialists and university professors. Now everyone is using it. And we, by the simplicity of our souls, joyfully declared ourselves "space taxi drivers." Come on, “illegal”, on my mind, but no, dancing to the tune of the control room in Houston. (I may be exaggerating, but in fact - it is). In order to prevent this from happening, one must understand that the United States is a competing "firm" and not "partners".

[1536]

Quote: Altona

The only question is what the Boeing and Airbus will answer. In our country, the aircraft fleet now consists of their products plus aircraft under construction. Plus scientific and technical cooperation. We won’t put ourselves in a puddle? It would be more logical to close rocket engines for them.

For them, it is necessary to close not “rocket engines”, but access to the technological base and scientific developments.

[Tsoy]

Speaking is so easy, especially in such a populist style. In the meantime ...

Moscow. 27 September. INTERFAX.RU - The heads of the space agencies of Russia and the United States have agreed to create a new space station Deep Space Gateway in Moon orbit, the first modules of which can be launched in 2024-2026. This was stated to journalists by the head of "Roscosmos" Igor Komarov at the International Astronautical Congress in Australia.

http://www.interfax.ru/world/580769

Roscosmos has begun negotiations with NASA on booking seats on the new American manned ship Orion for Russian cosmonauts. This was stated by Sergey Krikalev, director of manned programs of the state corporation, RIA Novosti reports.

https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/

[Ace Tambourine]

I mean, we were blown away?
But I ask pardon, on what dviglah Orions will fly?

[Blackmokona]

The USA has its own propelled launchers on its engines, Falcons, Deltas, Pegasus ......
And Orion will fly to the Lunar Station on SLS, where the engines from the Shuttle are modernized.

[Tsoy]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

But I ask pardon, on what dviglah Orions will fly?

As already noted, Orion flies on the Delta IV and SLS. And there, and there their native star-striped.

I mean, we were blown away?

Not really. This is a "safety net" for unforeseen circumstances. Reciprocal castling. Americans on ours, we on theirs. But for some reason, the Union is mentioned, but not the Federation and flights to the ISS, to which Orion does not fly. His task is completely different.

[slipped]

As long as the ISS exists, flights to it are carried out jointly. Even with the advent of new delivery vehicles, be it Dragon or Starliner, astronaut flights are also planned to be offset by American ships, as previously happened on shuttles. The Soyuz spacecraft will still be the ISS rescue ships.
On the lunar station - since it is also planned by the international and the only manned system for it at the first stage, until the middle of the next decade, there will be SLS with Orion with a shift method of visiting it, then Russian cosmonauts will also be included in the crews of Orion. At the same time, with the creation of the STK LV at the end of the next decade, flights to this station and a manned “Federation” are possible, again, with mixed crews of astronauts and astronauts.

[Tsoy]

Quote: slipped

At the same time, with the creation of the STK RN at the end of the next decade, flights to this station and the manned "Federation" are possible, again, with mixed crews from astronauts and astronauts.

That's right, but the problem is precisely that it is the seats on the Unions that are stipulated, and not on the Federation. Confusion in general.

Quote: Vlad.by

Projects, projects ...
As if the SLS and Orion itself, to put it mildly, do not fly.

Like the heavy Russian launch vehicle and the Federation. SLS and Orion much closer to full operation.

[Vlad.by]

Projects, projects ...
As if the SLS and Orion itself, to put it mildly, do not fly.
And when, and most importantly, how they fly - another very big question

[Blackmokona]

Orion has already flown.

[slipped]

No. And I gave you a proof in this matter. I can repeat again - an empty body flew, with a thermal insulation option.

[Setrac]

Quote: Choi

https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

I mean, we were blown away?

Lentauru of course a serious source ....

[Tsoy]

Quote: Setrac

Lentauru of course a serious source ....

To be more careful, this is RIA Novosti.

[Kondratko]

It is clear that nobody will cancel deliveries to the detriment of themselves, most likely it is a "promise" to the mattresses so that their turnips are scratched and thought finally.

[Geisenberg]

Forbid why? You just need to raise the price once a quarter ...

[Gormenghast]

Late we realized.

For engines they have stock already delivered.
For the delivery of cargo to the ISS - they have Signos and Dragons flying.
According to the astronauts - the only thing left. Although Amer spaceships will begin to plow the Bolshoi Theater tomorrow , I do not believe in this. Whatever Musk is talking about, the development of a new manned ship is a long process.

For titanium - yes, they will buy from others if they find a suitable profile and more expensive. It will be painful, but not fatal.

Where is uranium and palladium?

[Blackmokona]

Mask has the first Dragon with LSS, if necessary, it will be launched on it.
Uranus and Paladia in Canada is full.

[Ace Tambourine]

And will the space toilets ask us again?

[Blackmokona]

They were on the Shuttles.

[Vlad.by]

Yes, they were on the "lunar" Apollo 5 pieces per brother ...

[Pingo]

urinals only, for a full toilet "money was not enough"

[Egorovich]

As long as one talking room is heard, there are no actions.

[SMP]

Titanium in a modern technological society is almost like the equivalent of gold.
It is better to have strategic reserves of titanium in ...... eleven ..... thousand tons.

Than waste paper in the form of dollars, titanium is metal for space, and if in the near future mini-candle factories will start building robots in near-moon and near-earth orbits, then it will be very, very smooth for our children.
Enriched Uranus has already been sold to the United States, maybe enough?

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Black

Quote: rotmistr60

. By the way, the question again becomes relevant - were there Americans on the moon?

Yes .... in Hollywood, they even shot a film

I watched. "Capricorn 1" is called

[japs]

... "The toolkit of our responses to US actions is very rich, but we need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, not hit us too
- said the senator. "

Looking back at my sponsors ...

[rotor]

when making such a decision, more than ever, the principle is important - “measure seven times, cut once

Stupidly, the deputies decided to cut the branch on which they are sitting. Space must be out of politics. Refusing to cooperate with the United States in space, we ultimately refuse international cooperation and space expansion. And as you know, one who owns space, that owns the world.

[Ace Tambourine]

The one who owns the information owns the world, for everything else is secondary ...

[RUS96]

By titanium. And if in return they refuse to service Boeing and Airbus? And what are we going to do?

[Ace Tambourine]

And Nothing ... We grit our teeth for about thirty years, but we will revive the production of flying chests, troughs, and, maybe, plates ...

[Tsoy]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

plates ...

Flying plates? Or satellite? Or ceramic?

[Ace Tambourine]

What difference does it make ... what we can and seeders ...

[Tsoy]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

What difference does it make ... what we can and seeders ...

You have an extraordinary thinking. Seeders and plates, sounds like a set for all occasions.

[Ace Tambourine]

It's just from an old joke where, in response to a scout flying by, a peacefully working TASS vertical take-off seeder rose from the field

[Nyrobsky]

Nobody will do anything to their own detriment, but the idea is correct - sanctions must be answered. How? - Another question, for this we have a staff of analysts, let them think. And our business is to ensure that everything is in order at home, to help a neighbor, to take a grandson from a kindergarten ... to grease a gun and to sort through cartridges, suddenly you have to drive mattresses

[rotor]

No one will do anything to their own detriment

Who knows, who knows, maybe the deputies decided to do self-mutilation.

[Ace Tambourine]

Well, for this, a scruffy rag is suitable, a cap on the last pin ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ace Tambourine

Well, for this, a scruffy rag is suitable, a cap on the last pin ...

It will not be enough, not enough ..... The USA is already charred, but so far they can’t get rid of the shots, they won’t return to sanity.

[vladimirw]

According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.
finished parts must be sold

[Tsoy]

Quote: vladimirw

According to various estimates, Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus corporations about 40 – 60% titanium.
finished parts must be sold

So. Mining titanium is supplied to a joint venture with Boeing, where structural elements are smelted and parts ready for assembly are already going to factories in the USA.

[1536]

[quote] Roscosmos began negotiations with NASA on the reservation of seats on the new American manned spacecraft Orion for Russian astronauts. This was stated by the director of manned programs of the state corporation Sergey Krikalev, reports RIA Novosti. [/ Quote]
https://lenta.ru/news/2017/09/25/roskosmos/[/quot
e]

Those. we will not fly into space ourselves, should we understand that? I wonder what in this case our cosmonauts will be engaged in flying on American Orions? However, it is clear, apparently, to open / close the access hatches at the space station when the next crew of Chinese teikwonaut researchers arrive to visit the Americans.

[slipped]

Not so to be understood! Explain to you what "mixed crews" are in an international project? Look at the current ISS crew for a start.

[1536]

Quote: slipped

Not so to be understood! Explain to you what "mixed crews" are in an international project? Look at the current ISS crew for a start.

Dear, but perhaps explain what the "mixed crews" on the ISS are when they are all delivered to the station by the Russian Soyuz system. It will be interesting to know your interpretation. And do not forget, please explain the same thing, when instead of "Unions" will be used by the American "Orion". My opinion is that there are no fools in the USA, and therefore, if this happens, then, firstly, our astronauts will be taken there when they want it in Houston, and, secondly, their training will also smoothly transfer from Star in Houston with all that it implies. And the Chinese, unlike us, are developing their manned program themselves, looking to the future, and not to the counter. So it's time to get ready for the "artistic" opening doors ...

[Tsoy]

Quote: 1536

Dear, but perhaps explain what the "mixed crews" on the ISS are when they are all delivered to the station by the Russian Soyuz system. It will be interesting to know your interpretation. And do not forget, please explain the same thing, when instead of "Unions" will be used by the American "Orion". My opinion is that there are no fools in the USA, and therefore, if this happens, then, firstly, our astronauts will be taken there when they want it in Houston, and, secondly, their training will also smoothly transfer from Star in Houston with all that it implies. And the Chinese, unlike us, are developing their manned program themselves, looking to the future, and not to the counter. So it's time to get ready for the "artistic" opening doors ...

China has already announced a suspension in the implementation of the lunar program. 5 years ago, everyone shouted that they would master the moon, but it was easy to talk, but it was not so easy to do.

With regards to the article. DSG, that is, the lunar station will be international. The Russian Federation announced its readiness to design a hub and some modules for it. In the case of the project, the only system that will be able to fly to the moon and, accordingly, to the station in the near future will be only Orion. That is why such negotiations are being conducted. The Federation, only in 22 for testing will arrive. By this time, NASA has already carried out a manned circling of the moon on Orion. Plus, a heavy launch vehicle is absent at least until 30, and without it you can forget about the Moon.

But in general, it was all written in the water. Without the approval of the White House, there will be no DSG, even though it has a huge number of lobbyists.

Those. we ourselves will not fly into space, so it is necessary to understand?

If the DSG station does not exist, and the MKS will not extend the life span until 28 has nowhere to fly. Roscosmos is now in a stalemate.

[Ace Tambourine]

So, it’s been carried out 50 years ago? Or is it Hollywood?

[slipped]

Yes, I will explain without problems not “my interpretation”, but Roscosmos’s policy on this issue. Since the station is international, during its operation, the Space Shuttle system was an alternative to the Soyuz system for the delivery of interchangeable crews. As a result, on an American ship, 11 astronauts flew to the ISS. And they didn’t just fly off, but also worked in the carriage of the station, which by definition is simply “mixed” and cannot be divided into “yours and ours”. And also during the shift one commander of this crew is selected, and it can be either Russian or American or European. Accordingly, the payment of these deliveries served as the same delivery of Americans to the "Union". At the moment, the shuttles went to the museum, so the Americans are forced until recently to pay for seats on the Soyuz, as they do not provide us with alternatives, but with the appearance of such a "payment" cease. I must say that the extreme "payment" is not money, but offsetting the debt of RSC Energia of the Boeing company, for the Sea Launch. Boeing, in turn, "sold" these places to NASA.
Now, according to Orion. During the construction phase of the VOC, the Orion crew will consist of pilots and flight specialists, one of which will be the Russian astronaut, who is in the crew of the station’s shift. How Roskosmos will pay for delivery is unknown to me. If the budget is allocated for this, then in money, if not, then with the future flights of the Federation. The training of our astronauts in Houston was already during their flights on the shuttle, so that there will be nothing new in this.
The Chinese wanted to, but they are not given, they have to develop themselves by buying technology from us.

[Swetly]

There is no half-friendship. We are friends - we deliver. And now we are enemies.

[Sergey53]

Since big money is spinning here, nobody will limit anything.

[Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich]

Do not limit, but completely stop

[cedar]

Quote: Ncplc

You still forbid oil to Europe and sell gas, then they will sing (or not)))))

Better you forbid the United States of America to hammer sanctions, then we’ll sing ...

[Old26]

Quote: Vita VKO

And the American ballast at Mir station is generally more unprofitable both technologically and economically.

Of the EMNIP, 90 kW of electric power, Americans give only 77%. Russian segment - 13 kW. The volume of the western segment exceeds the Russian one. And the main equipment for conducting experiments in space is in the western segment, and not in the Russian one. Of course, if they give the most, then it is unprofitable.

Quote: Ace Tambourine

And will the space toilets ask us again?

Each has its own. There are 3 of them on the ISS. One in the Russian segment, one in the American one and one “portable. That’s interesting, but if we have a problem with the toilet, then what will we say? And it’s a long trump that they used our

Quote: Egorovich

As long as one talking room is heard, there are no actions.

And will not be. It’s the talking room, to the public, they say how cool we are, we will want and impose sanctions. In fact, flights are paid until 2019 if my sclerosis does not fail me. There is a stock of engines, and those that are not yet - they are also paid. we will have to return a rather sickly piece of "green". We introduce sanctions on titanium - my God, but there are people who want to fill the market right away. Lose the market - just spit. to answer is problematic. Sanctions on agricultural products for Russia have shown this well. That from Turkish tomatoes was not crowded, now we must try to find them on the shelves. they have lost the market and so far even in the long run nothing of the kind has been achieved

Quote: 1536

Those. we will not fly into space ourselves, should we understand that? I wonder what in this case our cosmonauts will be engaged in flying on American Orions? However, it is clear, apparently, to open / close the access hatches at the space station when the next crew of Chinese teikwonaut researchers arrive to visit the Americans.

So the whole point is that their Orion "is planned in 2019 by the EMNip in a manned version, and our" Federation "has been pushed back to 2023. The fate of the" Angara "is not clear. And then there’s nothing to let it go. That’s

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Quote: IvanIvanov

It is logical to start with their instruments of democratic influence, the media, embassies, 5 columns.

Against themselves, you propose that they pass laws? They will freeze

[colonel manuch]

Something retaliation creates the same big problems for us. Not that we have a government, NOT that!

[Wolka]

maybe the Yankees will stick for a while, but not for long, everything is relative, time will tell ...

[Former battalion commander]

Yes, I never believe that Russia will decide to do something across the pin. Dos. The wrong country is not that leadership ... as they say, it is necessary to have iron "Faberge", and not an omelet like the current ones ... At first the country was driven into a TOTAL dependence on pin. without strong "Faberge" in the "elite".