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There are four applicants left for the construction of submarines for India

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The number of applicants for construction for the Indian Navy of six submarines with an air-independent power plant under the “Project-75 (I)” program was reduced to four. According to Jane's Defense Weekly, the Japanese consortium Mitsubishi Heavy Industries / Kawasaki Heavy Industries and the Spanish company Navantia did not respond to the request for information sent by 19 on July 2017 of October to the deadline set for October 16.


However, four other manufacturers, including the French Naval Group (formerly DCNS), the German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, the Swedish Saab Kockums and the TsDB MT Rubin (through Rosoboronexport), presented their responses to the request.

There are four applicants left for the construction of submarines for India


Within the framework of the “Project-75 (I)” program, whose cost is estimated at 500 billion rupees (7,81 billion dollars), it is planned to build six submarines with an air-independent power plant capable of hitting ground targets at the shipyards of one of the Indian private companies. .

According to plans, over the next few months, the Department of Defense and the Indian Navy command will evaluate the responses received, primarily in terms of technology transfer opportunities to Indian companies. At the same time, requests for information will be sent to selected national manufacturing companies in order to assess their technical, financial and production capabilities.

After the formation of a joint venture with one of the foreign developers, Indian companies will present their proposals to the Indian Defense Ministry. According to the results of the evaluation of the conditions, cost and delivery time, as well as the accompanying offset program, the winner of the competition will be selected. Testing NNS is not planned.

Currently, the Indian Navy has 13 submarines in its arsenal, although the “Perspective Development Plan” fleet»Provided to have 24, passes TSAMTO
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  1. svp67
    svp67 25 October 2017 16: 04 New
    +3
    "Poor" "boat", how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....
    1. Vend
      Vend 25 October 2017 16: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      “Poor” “Varshavyanka”, how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....

      There are probably carpets and incense inside. laughing
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 25 October 2017 16: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        and incense

        I don’t know about the good, but there’s enough stink. smile
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 25 October 2017 19: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: svp67
        “Poor” “Varshavyanka”, how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....

        There are probably carpets and incense inside. laughing

        and the mechanic who unscrews the copper nut with his foot ................... was just a witness
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 25 October 2017 20: 00 New
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: svp67
          “Poor” “Varshavyanka”, how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....

          There are probably carpets and incense inside. laughing

          and the mechanic who unscrews the copper nut with his foot ................... was just a witness




          Gnawing not bagging bags ... I don’t remember the "dumbass" of Indians of such disasters with submarines as the Navy of the USSR / Russia ...
          1. rpek32
            rpek32 25 October 2017 20: 10 New
            +7
            Quote: Gransasso
            I don’t recall the "sack" of Indians such disasters with submarines as the Navy of the USSR / Russia

            he who does not swim does not sink.
            Compare the number of Indian submarines and the USSR / Russia
          2. MMX
            MMX 25 October 2017 20: 17 New
            +4
            Quote: Gransasso
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: svp67
            “Poor” “Varshavyanka”, how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....

            There are probably carpets and incense inside. laughing

            and the mechanic who unscrews the copper nut with his foot ................... was just a witness




            Gnawing not bagging bags ... I don’t remember the "dumbass" of Indians of such disasters with submarines as the Navy of the USSR / Russia ...


            The great Indian submarine fleet is famous all over the world. India’s Navy submarines plow the entire world’s oceans and regularly break open the ice of the Arctic, carpet the north pole of the earth (using elephants, of course, which are part of the crew).

            Despite the monstrous number of submarines, incidents are rare, but there are:

            https://vz.ru/society/2014/2/26/674441.html
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 25 October 2017 20: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Gransasso
            Gnawing not bagging bags ... I don’t remember the "dumbass" of Indians of such disasters with submarines as the Navy of the USSR / Russia ...

            And I saw how a cargo of 64 tons was hanged in the air for two days, and dockers .......... these are super dockers
          4. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 25 October 2017 22: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Gransasso
            I don’t recall the "sluggish" Indians of such catastrophes

            They managed to blow up their "Sindurakshak" in the port of Mumbai when working with the RO. What is there to talk about?
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 25 October 2017 22: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              They managed to blow up their "Sindurakshak" in the port of Mumbai when working with the RO. What is there to talk about?



              Someone managed to kill 20 people on the tests of K-152 ... what can I talk about? ...


              Will we remember about Kursk? ... and much more ... maybe you should be more modest anyway?
              1. dm-itry
                dm-itry 26 October 2017 00: 24 New
                +1
                Stop raving already.
              2. MMX
                MMX 26 October 2017 05: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Gransasso
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                They managed to blow up their "Sindurakshak" in the port of Mumbai when working with the RO. What is there to talk about?



                Someone managed to kill 20 people on the tests of K-152 ... what can I talk about? ...


                Will we remember about Kursk? ... and much more ... maybe you should be more modest anyway?


                Why should we be modest? We, a leading country in the field of construction and operation of submarines (of all classes). It is a fact.
          5. Eres eres
            Eres eres 25 October 2017 23: 32 New
            0
            Indians who believe in rebirth spit on all kinds of TB. Yes, and death is for them, a transitional period. Therefore, warriors are so-so. - written Do not click on this button?!. aa, to hell with him, still degenerate into a brahmana. Click, booms !!! Behind him stood another one in a billion.
          6. free_flier
            free_flier 25 October 2017 23: 56 New
            +2
            even if they had so many boats ... and new ones were built and tested themselves - then your drooling would be out of place.
          7. Vladimir Gordeev
            Vladimir Gordeev 30 October 2017 00: 25 New
            0
            What did you hear about disasters in India?
      3. Foxmara
        Foxmara 28 October 2017 18: 59 New
        0

        and dancing, a tavern after all
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 October 2017 16: 10 New
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      TsKB MT Rubin (through the mediation of Rosoboronexport), submitted their responses to the request.

      We would finally finish off our boat with VNSU, and then climb to the Indians.
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 25 October 2017 16: 34 New
        +3
        That's for sure. We cannot create for ourselves yet, but we are applying for the construction of what?
      2. svp67
        svp67 25 October 2017 17: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: 79807420129
        We would finally finish off our boat with VNSU, and then climb to the Indians.

        It’s almost like Matroskin’s and Uncle Fedor’s, to “finish” something, we need money, and to get money we need to “finish” something ... So we are hoping for an Indian contract, although it seems to me that it’s in vain .. To squeeze us out of the Indian market, such amounts of money were raised to bribe the Indians that we never dreamed of.
      3. Kurare
        Kurare 25 October 2017 17: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: 79807420129
        We would finally finish off our boat with VNSU, and then climb to the Indians.

        If we compare the previous tenders in India by the deadlines, then not only they will finish it, it will also have time to become outdated! laughing
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 25 October 2017 20: 24 New
          +3
          Well, work is underway on the necessary power plant, and what to do on the new submarine with the Brahmos of the candidates the best will be understood by Russian developers, as the creators of these CDs.
      4. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 29 October 2017 17: 53 New
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        Quote: 79807420129
        79807420129 October 25, 2017 16:10 ↑
        TsKB MT Rubin (through the mediation of Rosoboronexport), submitted their responses to the request.

        We would finally finish off our boat with VNSU, and then climb to the Indians.

        Just the opposite. For the Indians, and even for their money, they can finish VNSU. After which our fleet will go. It's like with a variable thrust vector for the Su-30, if not for the Indians, it might not have appeared on our dryers.
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 October 2017 16: 13 New
      +2
      Sergei hi carpets for elephants, there is even the inscription "do not scare the elephant with a mouse," in Indian lol
    4. Burbon
      Burbon 25 October 2017 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      “Poor” “Varshavyanka”, how many carpets were hung on it, it is not surprising that the Indians have an accident after an accident ....

      fool What does the Warsaw woman have to do with it? belay What are you talking about right now? negative
      1. jjj
        jjj 25 October 2017 16: 59 New
        +1
        People are not familiar with the contours of the hull and the fencing at 636 Ave.
      2. svp67
        svp67 25 October 2017 17: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Burbon
        What does the Warsaw woman have to do with it?

        And what kind of boat is pictured?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 25 October 2017 22: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          And what kind of boat is pictured?

          In the photo is the Calvari submarine built in India under a French license.
          This is an export version of Scorpène class submarines; DPL class "Calvary".
          Name: Kalvari Class
          Builders: Mazagon Dock Limited
          Operators: Indian Navy
          Succeeded by: Project 75I Submarine
          Current state: Mid-2017: 4 laid, built -2, all planned to have -6.
          General characteristics of submarines:
          Type: Attacking submarine.
          Displacement: 1 870 tons (2,060 short tons)
          Length: 61,7 m (AM-2000)
          Diameter: 6,2 m (20 feet)
          Draft: 5,8 m (19 feet)
          GEM: Diesel-electric, batteries and AIP (?)
          Speed: underwater - 20 knots (37 km / h), surface - 12 knots (22 km / h);
          Cruising range: 6 500 miles (12 000 km) at 8 knots (15 km / h) under the RPD; 550 miles (1020 km) at 5 knots (9,3 km / h) underwater on AB; AIP - not confirmed.
          Autonomy: 40 days (compact), 50 days (normal); maximum - 50 + 21 day (AIP)
          Dive Depth: 350 meters (1 150 feet)
          Crew: 31 people.
          Armament: 6 x 533 mm (21 inch) nasal TA; for 18 weapons (heavy torpedoes Torbarons or anti-ship missiles SM.39 Exocet); or 30 min instead of torpedoes.
          The Kalvari class is a submarine class based on the Scorpène submarine built for the Indian Navy with a diesel electric drive, developed by the French naval corporation and energy company DCNS and manufactured by Mazagon Dock Limited in Mumbai.
      3. Pirogov
        Pirogov 25 October 2017 17: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Burbon
        What does the Warsaw woman have to do with it? belay are you talking about right now?

        Apparently for a friend any submarine Varshavyanka. Where are they from in India is another question?!))
        1. Grits
          Grits 25 October 2017 17: 44 New
          +4
          Where did they come from in India is another question?
          It’s just that there are plenty of Warsaw women in India. Working in Severodvinsk in the 90s, he himself saw them (ours) “Sinduvir” and “Sindurantnu”. There, then a couple of pieces were repaired. But in the photo, of course, not Varshavyanka
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 25 October 2017 18: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Gritsa
            It’s just that there are plenty of Warsaw women in India.

            laughing fool can halibut?
            1. Kirill Petrov
              Kirill Petrov 26 October 2017 14: 37 New
              0
              There are “Varshavyanka”, there are “Halibut”, the moment is such that “they” need technology, they all strive to get the appropriate contract.
              And according to the Su-57, together with the joint development and production, they also needed technology for 5th generation aircraft, otherwise they will go off the bat.
    5. Kirill Petrov
      Kirill Petrov 26 October 2017 14: 43 New
      0
      I agree, and the Indian "handshake" in the operation of the T-90 ...
  2. senima56
    senima56 25 October 2017 16: 05 New
    +5
    I think we have little chance. We are not armed with submarines with VNSU. "Experimental" submarines do not count! And the Indians will not buy a "pig in a poke", but most likely they will get submarines that are already in the series. In this sense, the Germans have many chances.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 October 2017 16: 12 New
    +1
    "The number of applicants for the construction of six Indian submarines with an air-independent power plant for the Indian Navy under the Project 75 (I) program."
    "and the Central Design Bureau MT Rubin (through the mediation of Rosoboronexport), submitted their responses to the request"

    That is, we want to practice on Indian cats?

    From an earlier article on this forum. Https: //topwar.ru/118384-osobennosti-rossi
    yskoy-anaerobnoy-ustanovki.html
    "A scientific and technical groundwork for non-volatile installations has been created. A steam reforming unit with an electrochemical generator based on solid-state elements has been developed. Its industrial design has been created. Of the principal technologies, it has been implemented to produce hydrogen from diesel fuel, create an electrochemical generator that extracts electric current from hydrogen and removes "waste of life activity of the first cycle. That is, resulting from the reaction of CO2. This problem is still being finalized, but with proper funding will be solved."
  4. Altona
    Altona 25 October 2017 16: 15 New
    +1
    Successful to you tender and good nirvana for many decades, bless you Shiva. laughing
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 October 2017 16: 15 New
    +4
    In the New Indian epic they write: "The eight hundredth year passed from the announcement of the contract for the construction of submarines, the government was in no hurry with the choice of the winner of the contract, because we have nowhere to rush!" lol
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 25 October 2017 17: 18 New
      +1
      Meanwhile, China created the 6th generation laughing
  6. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 25 October 2017 16: 44 New
    +2
    So the French are already doing submarines for the Indians (6 pcs), Scorpene is just presented in the photo for the article - apparently they will win
  7. Starper-m
    Starper-m 25 October 2017 17: 12 New
    +2
    7,81 billion dollars a serious contract, it would be necessary to fight .. Hindus pay generously!
  8. rruvim
    rruvim 25 October 2017 17: 40 New
    +1
    The Germans scandal over the scandal, although from VNEU have already "taken root", the Swedes have VNEU, but there are no specific missiles. We have rockets (Caliber), but there is no “practical VNEU”. The French remain - they have everything.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 25 October 2017 18: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: rruvim
      The French remain - they have everything.

      It remains to be seen whether the French have a desire to transfer technologies in full.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 25 October 2017 21: 26 New
        0
        The answer was received by the "Rafals" ... The French have a desire to transfer technology!
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 October 2017 23: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      The French remain - they have everything.

      Remember the classic: "Everything is in Greece!"
    3. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 26 October 2017 01: 40 New
      +1
      A joint German-Israeli proposal for the Indians would be unrivaled given the level of cooperation in the defense field of the three countries. And they would have everything and would be produced in India (for starters, ready-made assemblies from Germany and Israel), as is now happening in relations with Israel, for many billions. winked
      1. MMX
        MMX 26 October 2017 05: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Oleg7700
        A joint German-Israeli proposal for the Indians would be unrivaled given the level of cooperation in the defense field of the three countries. And they would have everything and would be produced in India (for starters, ready-made assemblies from Germany and Israel), as is now happening in relations with Israel, for many billions. winked


        Israel then what side is related to underwater shipbuilding ???
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 26 October 2017 07: 00 New
          +1
          Tracking systems and weapons.
          1. Oleg7700
            Oleg7700 26 October 2017 10: 05 New
            +1
            On the German-Israeli project Dolphin-2AIP: Everything related to the storage, control and combat use (including with special warheads ...) of Popeye-Turbo cruise missiles, including cryogenic systems (this, of course, is not allowed for the Germans ...), Rafael's nasal sonar (40% more powerful than the Atlas Elec. native) active and passive protection systems, equipment for all types of communications, encryption and electronic reconnaissance, battery fast charging system (patent), sea water desalination system ( patent), fire extinguishing system equipment, air regeneration equipment, etc. etc. In the design and equipment of boats, including future INS Dolphin-3AIP, around 30 Israeli firms are participating.
            1. MMX
              MMX 26 October 2017 12: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Oleg7700
              On the German-Israeli project Dolphin-2AIP: Everything related to the storage, control and combat use (including with special warheads ...) of Popeye-Turbo cruise missiles, including cryogenic systems (this, of course, is not allowed for the Germans ...), Rafael's nasal sonar (40% more powerful than the Atlas Elec. native) active and passive protection systems, equipment for all types of communications, encryption and electronic reconnaissance, battery fast charging system (patent), sea water desalination system ( patent), fire extinguishing system equipment, air regeneration equipment, etc. etc. In the design and equipment of boats, including future INS Dolphin-3AIP, around 30 Israeli firms are participating.


              Oh, you are talking about these tales. This is not necessary here. In a word - speculation.
              I essentially ask: how many boats did Israel build? Did not order from Germany, but built, feel the difference?

              P.S. Although, provided that Israel has found a buyer for boats built in Germany and wants to get its 10% for it, yes, the chain "Germany - Israel - India" is gaining logical content ...
              1. Oleg7700
                Oleg7700 26 October 2017 14: 46 New
                +1
                Quite right, - the Department of Advanced Arms of the Israeli Defense Ministry has long announced the possibility of providing its developments in boats to third countries. I don’t know about the percentages, but with everything that I listed ten percent of the total price of the boat, 700-800 pln. euros, you can’t do it and no one would bother with such a trifle, especially since the Indians want all the technology and their own production. There are potentially billions of dollars for Israel, with the sale of patents, technologies, on-site production and warranty services for their systems. About missile weapons, generally separately ...
  9. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 October 2017 17: 44 New
    0
    [quote = Starper-M] $ 7,81 billion the contract is serious, we need to fight .. Hindus pay generously! [/ quoteBut sometimes, for some reason, they suddenly refuse to agree on projects, blaming the other side for something.
  10. Grits
    Grits 25 October 2017 17: 47 New
    +3
    What is Rubin doing there? They still lack the brains to make the anaerobic engine. They can’t even copy from competitors.
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 25 October 2017 18: 28 New
    0
    "At present, the Indian Navy has 13 submarines in service, although the Prospective Fleet Development Plan provides for 24, TsAMTO reports."
    24 submarines are not a luxury. Luxury is their content.
  12. Vadmir
    Vadmir 25 October 2017 19: 28 New
    0
    TsKB MT Rubin (through the mediation of Rosoboronexport), submitted their responses to the request.
    That is, they cannot do it for Russia, but for India please?
    What is the use of such participation in competitions - only expenses. Until they build it for the Russian Navy, test it and present it in iron, no one will order who needs a pig in a poke anyway.
    There is indeed an option to sell in advance for a penny and with the transfer of all technologies, but than such a contract - it’s better not any.
  13. mervino2007
    mervino2007 25 October 2017 22: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Gritsa
    What is Rubin doing there? They still lack the brains to make the anaerobic engine. They can’t even copy from competitors.

    - we have our own technology VNEU. Different from western. Although similar to the Americans. With less energy consumption for energy conversion. No need to draw. It is necessary to bring to mind.
  14. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 25 October 2017 23: 06 New
    0
    The Indians are a people, for the most part they are not prone to working with technology, they are more about the spiritual than the material.
    You can transfer technologies, but with the condition to control the application process or not to transfer at all, they will screw up, and the technologies will be declared guilty.
  15. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 October 2017 23: 31 New
    0
    At the shipyards of one of the Indian private companies, it is planned to build six submarines with an air-independent power plant capable of hitting ground targets.

    The guys are not bad at work! Why invent something yourself, invest billions in development ... and just steal, as the Chinese do, other people's technologies. You have to be easier! Announce the competition and bring everything to you on a silver platter ..
    Yes, and pundits do not have to be lured, to risk their spies stealing new developments. Lepota!
    It was correctly said: It is worth to grunt, but to grunt with money - everything will be!
  16. opoffis
    opoffis 26 October 2017 19: 25 New
    0
    I pray God that Russia Withdrew from this project!