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The head of the Russian Guard told about the "motives" of the officer who shot his fellow servicemen in Chechnya

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At the meeting of the upper chamber of the Russian parliament today, the director of the Russian Guard Viktor Zolotov spoke. Representatives of the Federation Council asked General Zolotov to comment on the recent tragic incident that occurred in the village of Shelkovskaya (Chechen Republic). As is known, there one of the officers (senior lieutenant) opened fire on his fellow soldiers, as a result of which four employees of Rosguards died.


RIA News Leads comment Viktor Zolotov:
There was no extremism and terrorism. This comrade went to some extent on a social plane - he asked for housing, which he was not provided. He had a problem with his wife, she lived with him.


The head of the Russian Guard told about the "motives" of the officer who shot his fellow servicemen in Chechnya


General Zolotov added that the senior lieutenant had a conflict with the commander of the unit, who tried to dismiss his subordinate.

Gold:
They did not have a relationship; he (the commander) evicted his wife from the unit. He (the commander) tried to fire him while on vacation. And when he (senior lieutenant) returned from vacation, another soldier was hooked on his place. This led to an emotional surge.


Reported on the name "arrow". This is 25-year-old native of the Republic of Dagestan, Marat Hajiyev.

According to Viktor Zolotov, there is a flaw in the district commander, his deputies and the battalion commander directly in Shelkovskaya.

General Zolotov:
We conduct the most rigorous proceedings under special control.


A criminal case under the article on the murder of two or more persons.
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  1. maxim947
    maxim947 25 October 2017 14: 10 New
    21
    Some chiefs like to use such legal somersaults, forgetting about the existence of a judicial system. An officer may be wrong a thousand times, but it is impossible to “squeeze” housing like this, and most likely it is not legal.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 25 October 2017 14: 14 New
      14
      Quote: maxim947
      An officer may be wrong a thousand times, but you can’t “squeeze” housing

      Shit got bogged down in Russia ... It’s a pity that Gadzhiev’s old man would have been a good officer under normal circumstances. We have no ideology at all. Gorbachev climb the mountain again ...
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 25 October 2017 14: 37 New
        19
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        We have no ideology at all

        Yes, the ideological platform of the state is not defined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        "Young Democrats" 90s "tried" under the dictation of the United States ...

        For you, something else ... Your society has more or less settled down. But what do we (DNR) do when the IDEA, consider ideology, was simply knocked out of the militia’s feet, now the army? Moreover, during the war.

        They wanted to be part of Russia. In Moscow they said: you will let us down under the zugunder with your Wishlist.Enough with you people's republics.
        Then, a new cry project, mind you, born not with us: Give New Russia!
        And he was "hushed up" ...
        Then Zakharchenko declares his intention to realize project of Little Russia.
        And stupid is the one who believes that such a thought was born precisely with him, and not in the quiet of rooms behind the red brick walls of Europe’s largest castle.

        WE WILL FIGHT FOR LITTLE RUSSIA?

        And here we stand, butting with dill, on what is left for us, OUR EARTH.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 25 October 2017 15: 02 New
          +5
          There’s nothing for you to answer .. Our authorities bring their indecision to the zugunder ... And as for this tragedy .. Yes, we have one ideology — to provide ourselves and our loved ones with benefits. Forgetting about others who are nearby. Subordinates or superiors all the same .. What happened there needs to be seriously sorted out. If this is really the commander went too far .. So this is no longer an officer. If he is still alive.
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          We have no ideology at all

          Yes, the ideological platform of the state is not defined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          "Young Democrats" 90s "tried" under the dictation of the United States ...

          For you, something else ... Your society has more or less settled down. But what do we (DNR) do when the IDEA, consider ideology, was simply knocked out of the militia’s feet, now the army? Moreover, during the war.

          They wanted to be part of Russia. In Moscow they said: you will let us down under the zugunder with your Wishlist.Enough with you people's republics.
          Then, a new cry project, mind you, born not with us: Give New Russia!
          And he was "hushed up" ...
          Then Zakharchenko declares his intention to realize project of Little Russia.
          And stupid is the one who believes that such a thought was born precisely with him, and not in the quiet of rooms behind the red brick walls of Europe’s largest castle.

          WE WILL FIGHT FOR LITTLE RUSSIA?

          And here we stand, butting with dill, on what is left for us, OUR EARTH.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 October 2017 15: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: Separ DNR
          And here we stand, butting with dill, on what is left for us, OUR EARTH.

          I respect !!! ... And my heart hurts for the Donbass ..... and the "muti" in Russian politics is enough enough! There is one thought-hope ...: At one time, the liberals almost brought the army to the "pen" ... and now we have to make up the "five-year plan for three years"! But there is still not enough time anyway ... The rearmament is not over yet ... we would still have to "stand the day, hold out the night!" And we ask you the same thing ... I hope, then the conversation between Russia and NATO will be different ... but now, if it goes to extremes, Russia will not stay away .. I really hope so ... I hope that all Russian people think so. And you should not pay attention to the McDonald's!
        3. BecmepH
          BecmepH 26 October 2017 08: 20 New
          +1
          They wanted to be part of Russia. In Moscow they said: you will let us down under the zugunder with your Wishlist. Enough of the people's republics from you.
          Here you are disingenuous. You voted for sovereignty?
          We are simple people on your side and want LDNR to become part of Russia, but ... "This is a tedious legal moment," said Andrei Purgin, the founding father of the DNR.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 25 October 2017 14: 15 New
      12
      Quote: maxim947
      Some bosses like to apply such legal somersaults, forgetting about the presence of the judicial system.

      + and it’s a very rotten thing to fire a person who is on vacation at this moment.
      It’s disgusting to even think, a person leaves with vacation time, he returns and he is fired and they give him miserable remnants of a salary ... and live as you like ....
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Scoun
        + and it’s a very rotten thing to fire a person who is on vacation at this moment.

        in fact, such a short-sighted commander may try to execute it !!! it turns out that the guy officially wrote a report on vacation and there were signatures of the authorities !!! I can’t even figure out how he tried to fire him !!! wassat wassat wassat
    3. Finches
      Finches 25 October 2017 14: 20 New
      +7
      That the Rosguard, that BB ..., it’s still not the Army for me! I respect them, they do their job, but the Army is sacred, and the rest, for me personally, is police functions and detachments, although their functions are states are very important ... As for the case, this is life, but I emphasize once again, as I wrote about it already, the officers in the BB prepared mainly military schools of the Ministry of Defense, the schools were dispersed and now they are being prepared for anyone ... Military schools are a tough daily routine, this is a barracks, this is a military team, its own psychology, these are commanders ... Today it is bachelors and masters who do not understand the essence of a military team at all! Why did this happen? Partly, the GDP of the jacket from the KGB overseas detachment, Shoigu is just a jacket ... It’s completely shit when the generation leaves, there are very few real barracks officers ... God forbid that a big war doesn’t happen! We can handle the little things ... As it will be literally after 2025, I don’t even want to make any plans!
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 25 October 2017 14: 38 New
        14
        Quote: Finches
        What Rosgvardiya, what a BB ..., it's all the same for me not the Army!

        You are those who are from the explosives in Grozny, Gudermes, Botlikh, sipped, ready to say? Those who are on themselves and the wounded from the "real army" pulled? Are the families of those who did not return also ready? Why this comment and this division ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 October 2017 14: 41 New
          +3
          Have you tried to read further? I have a friend, Colonel VV, just in those places ... But we graduated from the same company KVVKUS. I expressed my opinion, though you do not like it, but your ... hi They have their own work, the Army has its own ... if you do not understand, then I will not explain to you!
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 25 October 2017 14: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            And you did not try to read further?

            Then what? .. I have read your comment. And, as the man Kelevro put it, you really are very wrong.
            1. Finches
              Finches 25 October 2017 14: 47 New
              +3
              Have I offended someone somewhere? What is the claim, dear! I said that, for me personally, these are different things - the men are the same, the offices are different! And this is my opinion, you have your own opinion - and this is normal! hi
              1. Volodin
                Volodin 25 October 2017 14: 56 New
                +7
                Communication troops ... this is not the Army! I respect them, they are doing their job, but the Army is sacred, and everything else is coils, wires, telephone tubes. No, of course, this is a very necessary thing, important for the state ... That's just now they are being prepared for all and sundry ...

                I think it will be clearer to you.

                Honestly, I did not expect such an approach from you. It was never customary to divide troops into the "VO" according to the principle: it is sacred, but this is "unholy." I will consider your opinion.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 25 October 2017 15: 05 New
                  +5
                  Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s not Moscow Region - isn’t it? And you did not convince me - these are different structures with different functions. What am I wrong about? I do not divide anyone - but the Army, there is an army, including the type of troops of the Ground Forces and other branches of the Armed Forces, the Communications Troops. There are also the FSB border troops, do you feel the difference? This is not the Armed Forces! These are just power structures with their own specifics.
              2. Esoteric
                Esoteric 25 October 2017 15: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: Finches
                Have I offended someone somewhere? What is the claim, dear! I said that, for me personally, these are different things - the men are the same, the offices are different! And this is my opinion, you have your own opinion - and this is normal! hi


                Quote: Volodin
                Communication troops ... this is not the Army! I respect them, they are doing their job, but the Army is sacred, and everything else is coils, wires, telephone tubes. No, of course, this is a very necessary thing, important for the state ... That's just now they are being prepared for all and sundry ...
                I think it will be clearer to you.
                Honestly, I did not expect such an approach from you. It was never customary to divide troops into the "VO" according to the principle: it is sacred, but this is "unholy." I will consider your opinion.


                How, Zyablintsev’s classmate, I dare to assure that all unsuccessful military operations carried out by people in uniform are due to their disgusting organization of control and communications (often due to the lack of normal means of communication, due to the neglect of the army itself)
                For me, there are no differences between people in uniform, no matter what structure they belong to ... Only some go with them to turn their shoulders on orders in difficult times, others carry them so that the shoulder straps do not press on the shoulders, and still others wear boots shoulders did not scratch ... recourse
                Hence the whole "interdepartmental" and "intergeneric" love for one's neighbor ...
        2. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 25 October 2017 14: 50 New
          +7
          Quote: Volodin
          Are you the one who from the BB in Grozny, Gudermes, Botlikh drank, are you ready to say?

          And what the dog? Not worth it. No.
          Here we are, on the “front end” are both the “Vovans” and the divisions of the Supreme Court ... And respect to all. We do one thing.
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 25 October 2017 15: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: Separ DNR
            And what the dog? Not worth it.

            So am I about it
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 25 October 2017 15: 15 New
              +4
              Quote: Separ DNR
              And what the dog? Not worth it.

              Quote: Volodin
              So am I about it

              But no one respects us as a commandment. This is how they “put themselves”, Pesiglava ...
      2. Kelevro
        Kelevro 25 October 2017 14: 41 New
        +4
        Oh, excuse me, but you are very wrong. Believe me, the vvshnikov and the cops have a team, there is a male fraternity. Each type of power structure has its own pride. And everyone has barracks. And the things in them, you know, are different. And in my own nonsense enough. Commanders must be men. Until they are gone, such nonsense will happen. And the jacket ... you know, in my opinion and among them there are people who can command normally. To lead.
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 October 2017 14: 48 New
          +3
          25 years in the Army and everyone is wrong ...- it happens! hi
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 25 October 2017 14: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            25 years in the Army and everyone is wrong ...

            Charter need to remember.
            Point two.
            If the boss is wrongread paragraph one. wassat
            1. Finches
              Finches 25 October 2017 15: 06 New
              +1
              But nobody canceled hazing in the army! laughing
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 25 October 2017 15: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Finches
                But nobody canceled hazing in the army!

                You can’t apply hazing to me, who is “a bit in favor” ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 25 October 2017 16: 50 New
                  +1
                  So I'm not talking about that! hi
      3. Cadet
        Cadet 25 October 2017 15: 40 New
        +2
        There are a lot of normal officers in VV, just a lot depends on the person and his associates, the situation the head of the department, a retired colonel served in the VV, spent the whole time in the office, the driver comes in and asks him to sign the waybill, he signs it, at this time with simple engineers say hello to the driver in the office, when the driver comes out and hears next words from the head of the department to his colleagues - why do you give a hand to the driver, he is a driver who has not taken place in life and has not achieved anything in it. The driver is in shock. Although the guards there are a lot of former BB special forces in the office, there are no normal men with brains and show-offs. It does not depend on the troops but on the people.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 25 October 2017 19: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Cadet
          why do you give a hand to the driver, he is a driver people who have not taken place in life and have not achieved anything in it. The driver is in shock.

          Like this ... They crushed society. A man, nowadays not a brother to another (no matter how pathetic it sounds), but either NOTHING (SLIP) or a COMPETITOR, consider the enemy.
          And then, from year to year, from decade to decade, the abyss deepens, and then the descendants are surprised AND WHY is this a revolution, intervention, civil war ...
          1. Cadet
            Cadet 25 October 2017 19: 23 New
            +2
            You are right, I had a chance to work in the management apparatus of one oil company, for many years there has been a division into social classes for many, especially in the children of managers and superiors, although it all depends on the education of how the person was raised by his parents.
    4. hohkn
      hohkn 25 October 2017 15: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: maxim947
      Some bosses like to apply such legal somersaults.

      This is common in former explosives. They want all the other units of the Russian Guard to bring to the same denominator. Under the exorbitant demands of the commanders of the districts there is no funding, but be kind enough to comply. In Perm, SOBR was relocated from a normal building in the city center outside the city, to the territory of the disbanded military unit. There is no normal communication with the city. There is practically no heating. The roofs are leaking, the sewer is not working properly. And not a penny of money for repairs. But, according to the commander of the district, "the detachment entered paradise." Himself to relocate him to such a paradise.
      Most likely, something similar is also flourishing in Shelkovskaya. A starling place was needed by one of the commander's henchmen. They gave the command to the battalion commander, and that brain didn’t have enough to crank everything without a kipis.
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: maxim947
      Some chiefs like to use such legal somersaults, forgetting about the existence of a judicial system. An officer may be wrong a thousand times, but it is impossible to “squeeze” housing like this, and most likely it is not legal.

      in this case, it is necessary to put the commander under the judicial press so that it would be inconsistent ... naturally, after a thorough and objective investigation of everything that happened !!!
  2. himRa
    himRa 25 October 2017 14: 10 New
    +9
    Not a happy picture painted by Zolotov ...
    I suspect that the lieutenant didn’t pay the nth amount to resolve the issue, but demanded the necessary ...
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 14 New
      11
      to shoot at colleagues because of a dispute with the commander is atas. Whether money is involved, something else is not important at all in this context. There is no excuse for him. The highest measure is crying for him. He is a soldier after all. And not a tantrum.

      4 fighter killed. Because of the tantrum. Would shoot at yourself or wife. Others do with it at all?

      It’s right that they fired, psychologists should not have allowed such a character to arms.

      A staff, a dog and an attack of sheep - this is the ceiling of this hysterical Dagestan. It was necessary to eliminate - now feed him at the expense of taxpayers

      1. himRa
        himRa 25 October 2017 14: 19 New
        +9
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        The highest measure is crying for him. He is a soldier after all. And not a tantrum.
        4 fighters died. Because of the tantrum.

        The sentence was executed ...
        Apparently he didn’t see himself outside the army, but they wanted to fire him because he threatened to turn to the prosecutor’s office ... the facts of corruption in the Southern Military District must be stopped !!! My son did not want to serve there because of this ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 20 New
          +3
          My son did not want to serve there because of this ...


          and so he would have fallen on this clown-abrek - and did not return home. So for the best. He himself served in the Southern Military District, saw the life of our officers there. It’s difficult - but they live, raise children and pay back debt to their homeland. Do not shoot colleagues, spin



          1. himRa
            himRa 25 October 2017 14: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            It’s difficult - but they live, raise children and pay back debt to their homeland. Do not shoot colleagues are spinning

            Do not spin, but serve!
            To do this, there must be all the conditions ... to cut the infection in the bud like corruption!
            It’s real that physo donate for money and without money, even if the standards for surcharges for physo are met, there will be no !!!!
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 32 New
              +3
              the lieutenants received monthly payments in the amount of 60 rubles;
              to captains - more than 65;
              nearly 80 lieutenant colonels;
              Colonels - 95;

              normally spinning) I would look at a student after a university who would receive 60 kilo rubles in the South-East Military District along with a mortgage

              You should have seen the apartment of my battalion commander and foreman. I do not live chic in terms of living - but in terms of the number of square meters - the military is not now offended by contentment.

              And this one also wanted to live beautifully - but there was not enough endurance. They have a problem with patience, endurance and cold calculation.
              1. himRa
                himRa 25 October 2017 14: 44 New
                +3
                You are apparently not up to date on the current situation in South-East Europe ...
                There are no such salaries ... and I will not answer you anymore ...
                LET'S GOODBYE!
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 48 New
                  0
                  There are no such salaries ... and I will not answer you anymore ...



                  and I wanted to know about salaries. I would directly call today and check your words and mine at the same time.

                  LET'S GOODBYE!


                  this is not serious

                  Is there anyone now serving in the South-East Military District? Can you talk about contentment? And then they say that you do not like in all of Russia they count
                  1. Warrior05
                    Warrior05 25 October 2017 15: 34 New
                    +2
                    There is ... they consider it normal only if you are part of the forces and means ... that is. you are attracted to WHO. The rest is like everywhere
            2. Esoteric
              Esoteric 25 October 2017 15: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: himRa
              Do not spin, but serve!
              To do this, there must be all the conditions ... to cut the infection in the bud like corruption!

              He chopped ...
              1. Mic1969
                Mic1969 25 October 2017 17: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Esoteric
                He slashed ..

                This subordinates were his corrupt? I would shoot at the commander, the soldiers have nothing to do with it.
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: himRa
          and then they wanted to fire him because he threatened to turn to the prosecutor’s office ...

          Well, yes, well, yes ... and so everything was resolved in an "inconspicuous" way !!! Now neither the Investigative Committee nor the Prosecutor’s Office are gouging this part where everything happened !!!
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 25 October 2017 14: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: himRa
      Not a happy picture painted by Zolotov ...

      Half of the members of the forum also showed their “joyless” side during the emergence of information about the tragedy, they all got involved and blamed, and started throwing poop, although some comrades called on them to wait for more detailed and objective information.
  3. NIKNN
    NIKNN 25 October 2017 14: 11 New
    +5
    The most problematic zone in the army has been and remains, it’s a routine ... What is it so hard to fix? There, one monthly salary of deputies is enough to solve the problem ... angry
    1. himRa
      himRa 25 October 2017 14: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: NIKNN
      The most problematic zone in the army has been and remains, it’s a routine ... What is it so hard to fix? There, one monthly salary of deputies is enough to solve the problem ... angry

      According to my son, I know that there is terry corruption in Chechnya and that it’s necessary to pay to solve problems .... hi
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 25 October 2017 14: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: himRa
        According to my son, I know that there is terry corruption in Chechnya and that it’s necessary to pay to solve problems ....

        She is everywhere ..., well, and there it’s a national trash ...
        1. himRa
          himRa 25 October 2017 14: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: NIKNN
          She is everywhere ..., well, and there it’s a national trash ...

          Well, what will such an army cost !!?
          How Iraqi can be bought? And some honest wars will not solve the problem of the country's defense
          The reality in the army is the same as in civilian !!!
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 25 October 2017 15: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: himRa
            The reality in the army is the same as in civilian !!!

            And where is the army recruited from? not from Mars ...
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: himRa
            How Iraqi can be bought? And some honest wars will not solve the problem of the country's defense

            what what what maybe you should not carry such nonsense ??? wassat wassat fool fool laughing laughing laughing
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 25 October 2017 15: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: NIKNN
      What the hell is it so hard to fix ?. There, one monthly salary of deputies is enough to solve the problem ...

      It’s hard, damn it, to take this salary from the deputy ... belay crying
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 25 October 2017 15: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        It’s hard, damn it, to take this salary from the deputy ...

        Nonsense ... laughing We must ask the army ... to help select, and indeed it is ... laughing
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: NIKNN
      There, one monthly salary of deputies is enough to solve the problem ...

      can you see your calculations ??? wassat wassat lol lol lol
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 25 October 2017 15: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        can you see your calculations ???

        laughing In my mind ... counted ... laughing laughing laughing
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: NIKNN
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          can you see your calculations ???

          laughing In my mind ... counted ... laughing laughing laughing

          now in public come on !! lol lol
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 25 October 2017 16: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            now in public come on !!

            I'm embarrassed .. lol
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 17: 14 New
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              now in public come on !!

              I'm embarrassed .. lol

              do not be shy!! wink yes lol
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 25 October 2017 14: 11 New
    +2
    Yes, damn ordinary everyday life, what is there to discuss something ....? It’s not enough whether people are banged all over their heads.

    there is a flaw in the district commander


    hahaha this is a masterpiece. There is a flaw. OK. Four people in the grave. Probably a flaw happened.

    This Roll of Wallpaper was run up by chance, and was looking for adventure. And found.
  5. Holoy
    Holoy 25 October 2017 14: 11 New
    +4
    Why did you have to spread rot? Cornered ... here you get it!
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 18 New
      +4
      4 fighters drove him into a corner? We still have to see if those whom he killed were armed. Or this animal shot unarmed.

      He left 4 families without breadwinners. And how will children grow up in a "single-parent" family in the Caucasus? Forest warriors?

      How can you justify this character in general, I do not understand.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 25 October 2017 14: 48 New
        +9
        No one justifies him, but from such brutal behavior of the unit commander, the bar could really collapse. No one will tell us the details of their conflict, but the commander is clearly guilty. At least in the fact that with his swine actions he provoked this massacre.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 25 October 2017 16: 06 New
          +1
          from such bestial behavior, the unit commander could really collapse. No one will tell us the details of their conflict, but the commander is clearly guilty.

          It is clear that the commander is always responsible for everything in the right part. But how can one blame him without knowing why?
          Maybe the housing commission refused him, and the commander is obliged to approve her decision.
          According to information, by the way, the company commander of this starley was killed, and he was in office only 15 days! How did he not please the platoon commander?
          1. avatar123
            avatar123 25 October 2017 19: 47 New
            +1
            15 days? I will surprise you even more: FIRST DAY. it was Ilya's first working day in this part. 15 days — he was on a pay only.
    2. Uryukc
      Uryukc 25 October 2017 14: 20 New
      0
      Is it really a corner? There had to be another way.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 October 2017 14: 12 New
    +1
    It’s not enough to draw the right conclusions, the main thing is to prevent this from happening at all! It turns out that due to everyday problems an officer can arrange a massacre? ?? And maybe solve everyday problems as soon as they learned about their presence? ?
    1. Maratyurist
      Maratyurist 25 October 2017 14: 55 New
      +1
      There is commander’s arbitrariness, there is a court to resolve the dispute!
  7. g1v2
    g1v2 25 October 2017 14: 17 New
    12
    Apparently, the battalion commander acted like bestial. He tried to fire the hijacker retroactively while he was on vacation and put his wife out of the hostel. The result - 5 corpses. And at least three were not at all involved in business. I think that this commander has nothing to do in the ranks. In general, excess and criminal negligence are drawn. request
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 25 October 2017 16: 08 New
      0
      Apparently, the battalion commander acted like bestial.

      Or maybe the commander did the law? And he evicted correctly. And on vacation, how can I get fired? In the army, this is not real.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 25 October 2017 19: 02 New
        +1
        I knew such battalion commanders and observed similar situations. Even a member of the commission of inquiry once visited in about the same case. Then it was BB, and not the Russian Guard. The foreman-contractor, because of the personal graters of the chief of staff, filled his face. Accumulated in the shower, got drunk and went to the captain face clean. They twisted it. locked, but he got loose and again went to beat his face. No one needed publicity. The foreman sobered up and realized that he was shining for an attack on a senior in rank. The chief of staff also did not need to attract the attention of high-ranking officials. Such things do not lead to an increase, especially since he already had problems and problems in his personal business. There you could catch a reprimand or an incomplete official one-two. And then firing an experienced contractor, especially with combat experience, was difficult. The PM dismissed him retroactively in the discipline. But in principle, he himself understood that this was the best way out. But when he went to beat his face, he could have entered the armory. Yes, and there were similar cases WITH LETAL OUTCOME at the hearing. hi
        And in Moscow, too, this is not uncommon. About 500 zhmūras are obtained per year. My brother served at the headquarters of one of the ZVO brigades. Through it, over the year 12 Zhmurov passed. All by stupidity or by drunk. But in the causes of death, something decent was always written - an accident or careless handling. request
  8. genpolitproekt
    genpolitproekt 25 October 2017 14: 29 New
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    What power, such and deeds ...
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 25 October 2017 14: 31 New
      0
      People’s actions are always the same.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 25 October 2017 15: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: DEZINTO
        People’s actions are always the same.

        Yes, absolutely to the point. stop Only different people have different responsibilities for the same actions ... belay
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 October 2017 14: 36 New
      +4
      power? what upbringing is such a person. Although I understand that if you don’t give a damn about your pants, it’s easier to blame the Kremlin for this.

      Are you doing this? And when the son will inject, instead of attending school - will the authorities also be to blame?

      which actor - such and comments. what else to say
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: genpolitproekt
      What power, such and deeds ...

      what what what all over the world or current in Russia ??? wassat wassat laughing laughing
    4. Mic1969
      Mic1969 25 October 2017 17: 20 New
      +1
      Would you go to the censor.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 October 2017 14: 42 New
    +4
    Well, I would have flunked the commander. That it would be disgraceful to spit on the law. At least some good for another young.
  10. Maratyurist
    Maratyurist 25 October 2017 14: 53 New
    +4
    This is the swine attitude of the commander to the subordinate. I myself remember the boss wrote himself a bonus of 1 rubles before the vacation. and drove off for the cordon, and at that moment we were deprived of the last increase, it was 000 rubles. 000 people per month. At that moment, like this starley, I had a desire to salt and I salted my chef, he recognized this and began to survive. I just left and was not lost in my life, an experienced lawyer like hot cakes! But the starlee was waiting for the dismissal from the armed forces and gloomy prospects, and so it broke ...
  11. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 October 2017 15: 06 New
    +6
    "... This comrade went to some extent on the social plane - he asked for housing that was not provided to him ..."
    The epithet "this comrade" says that Zolotov is on the side of the commander ...
    How can a soldier "go into the social plane?"
    Why is housing not provided? Not allowed? Scored per person?
    If it wasn’t yet, he probably wouldn’t ask?
    "... They didn’t have a relationship, he (the commander) evicted his wife from the unit. He (the commander) tried to fire him during his vacation ..."
    If the relationship has not developed, then the commander has plenty of options, starting from the transfer ...
    Why did not work out what?
    Where did he evict his wife? To the street? Or is it local? From a unit or from an officer dormitory / town?
    Did the commander want to fire on vacation?
    Commander, sick? Does it correspond to the position held?
    "... another soldier was seated in his place. This led to an emotional outburst ...."
    In his place or in her, after the eviction?
    Populated or overpowered? Emotional surge from what? Arrived, saw another and did not understand jealous? Or what? The army is not a civilian village where the housing office will evict and there is no place to go! You won’t stay without a roof over your head ... What an emotional outburst ...
    Comrade He was an experienced Zolotov, a career person, since he took up such a position ... He explained so that there were even more questions! How can I comment on this explanation? Gorbachev, “the GDP of the jacket from the KGB overseas detachment, Shoigu, is just a jacket” dragged on the ideology ...
    Of course, it could not have done without this: "God grant that a great war would not happen!" and this: "because he threatened to turn to the prosecutor ..."
    People, how can you judge something by such explanations? Well, nothing is clear, why is it to fence the garden? So you can go far!
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 15: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Evrodav
      The epithet "this comrade" says that Zolotov is on the side of the commander ...

      and in the case of the team "Comrade Officers" how do you interpret this word ???
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 October 2017 15: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: Holoy
    Why did you have to spread rot? Cornered ... here you get it!

    Where did you get about the corner? From the explanations of Zolotov? Yes you are a prophet!
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 October 2017 15: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    4 fighters drove him into a corner? We still have to see if those whom he killed were armed. Or this animal shot unarmed.

    He left 4 families without breadwinners. And how will children grow up in a "single-parent" family in the Caucasus? Forest warriors?

    How can you justify this character in general, I do not understand.

    And I do not understand! Take and hang from a tree ...
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 October 2017 15: 15 New
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    Quote: himRa
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    The highest measure is crying for him. He is a soldier after all. And not a tantrum.
    4 fighters died. Because of the tantrum.

    The sentence was executed ...
    Apparently he didn’t see himself outside the army, but they wanted to fire him because he threatened to turn to the prosecutor’s office ... the facts of corruption in the Southern Military District must be stopped !!! My son did not want to serve there because of this ...

    What prosecutor’s damn it? Why do you get that? Fantasies do not write, apparently yes probably !!! Wait, there will be more clarification ...
    1. himRa
      himRa 25 October 2017 15: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Evrodav
      What prosecutor’s damn it? Why do you get that? Fantasies do not write, apparently yes probably !!! Wait, there will be more clarification ...

      Yes, they shot him already .... no one will understand ...
      It's easier to put it inadequate, psychologists made a mistake ...

      Quote: Evrodav
      Wait, there will be more clarification ...

      Yeah, but for example, you already managed to express your attitude to this ... why don’t you wait?
  15. Sanchous83
    Sanchous83 25 October 2017 15: 17 New
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    Why not talk about those whom he shot?
  16. maratka74
    maratka74 25 October 2017 15: 35 New
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    I don’t understand, is it really so easy for a soldier to cancel a contract?
  17. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 25 October 2017 15: 37 New
    +2
    The matter is generally muddy and dirty.
    Judging by the information that was presented to us, the commander is unequivocally wrong. You cannot be evicted without any legal basis. I would have dismissed the starling from the ranks of the Russian Guard, paid what was due, and only then dealt with eviction.
    However, he was frightened by the military prosecutor's office and continued to spread rot on the starle and his family, and this is impossible.
    It is clear that we do not live in an ideal world, that there are distortions, but the border of something allowed must be seen and observed. Otherwise, there will be such tragic cases.
    And then - who were these four colleagues who were simply passing by, or were they ordering the commander to evict? Unfortunately, there are no answers to these questions yet. And before that - it's hard to judge what happened.
  18. Old military officer
    Old military officer 25 October 2017 15: 50 New
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    Interesting things. Something is amiss in the kingdom of Denmark. ... What is it for?.
  19. Victorio
    Victorio 25 October 2017 15: 55 New
    +1
    he (the commander) evicted his wife from the unit. He (the commander) tried to fire him during his vacation. And when he (senior lieutenant) returned from vacation, another soldier was seated in his place.
    ===
    plus five more corpses! like that commander .....
  20. Vadim72
    Vadim72 25 October 2017 18: 08 New
    +3
    Hello. I read VO for a long time, but I never wrote comments. Today I had to register. Comrade officers, of course I apologize, but many here behave like bazaar women. It is worth waiting for the results of the investigation, and not judge or hang up labels. This, of course, is my opinion, I know that they will start kicking me from all sides, but behaving in a similar manner is unworthy.
    1. Starper-m
      Starper-m 25 October 2017 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadim72
      Comrade officers, of course I apologize, but many here behave like bazaar women. It is worth waiting for the results of the investigation, and not judge or hang up labels. This, of course, is my opinion, I know that they will start kicking me from all sides, but behaving in a similar manner is unworthy.

      This is the Internet, not a jury trial ..! True is born in cries, and they can fall asleep laughing
      And then they don’t even remember that you were right .. hi
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 25 October 2017 18: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    We have no ideology at all

    Yes, the ideological platform of the state is not defined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    "Young Democrats" 90s "tried" under the dictation of the United States ...

    For you, something else ... Your society has more or less settled down. But what do we (DNR) do when the IDEA, consider ideology, was simply knocked out of the militia’s feet, now the army? Moreover, during the war.

    They wanted to be part of Russia. In Moscow they said: you will let us down under the zugunder with your Wishlist.Enough with you people's republics.
    Then, a new cry project, mind you, born not with us: Give New Russia!
    And he was "hushed up" ...
    Then Zakharchenko declares his intention to realize project of Little Russia.
    And stupid is the one who believes that such a thought was born precisely with him, and not in the quiet of rooms behind the red brick walls of Europe’s largest castle.

    WE WILL FIGHT FOR LITTLE RUSSIA?

    And here we stand, butting with dill, on what is left for us, OUR EARTH.

    You are not Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, or Israel, with whom ... sad
  22. Starper-m
    Starper-m 25 October 2017 20: 34 New
    +1
    Well, what can I say .. Poison the officer! But it is impossible unequivocally, purely moral ..
    I hope everyone will be punished to the fullest and this is no longer an officer .. If so, will everyone start? It is necessary to punish very severely!
    soldier
  23. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 25 October 2017 22: 53 New
    +2
    According to Viktor Zolotov, there is a flaw in the district commander, his deputies and the battalion commander directly in Shelkovskaya.
    for some reason I believe him. came across.
  24. Vadim72
    Vadim72 26 October 2017 00: 57 New
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    Quote: Starper-M

    This is the Internet, not a jury trial ..! True is born in cries, and they can fall asleep laughing
    And then they don’t even remember that you were right .. hi

    Naturally not a court, but not the women gathered in the bazaar. An investigation is underway, all those responsible will be punished. The epaulette will fly a lot - no doubt, so let's not hang tags ahead of time. Thank you for understanding.
  25. k174oun7
    k174oun7 26 October 2017 07: 10 New
    +1
    If in the article the words of the director of the Rosguard are quoted correctly, then we have some kind of Rosguard, starting with this director’s panel. The general puts in the position of an incomprehensible commander, who creates the base in the entrusted part. In turn, the inadequate hot senior lieutenant shoots his colleagues, and does not deal with those who offended him: the commander and the deputy behind the rear.
  26. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 October 2017 11: 19 New
    0
    So here the commander must be immediately closed. In such circumstances, it is strange that this fighter did not fill up the entire headquarters.