Vladimir Putin: We are gradually moving away from conscription

During his speech, Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia Calling! Business Forum touched upon, among other things, the formation of the Russian Armed Forces. According to the president, “Russia is gradually moving away from conscription.”

Vladimir Putin has canceled that a plan is being implemented to create and increase the number of so-called scientific companies in the structures of the RF Armed Forces. As you know, young people are doing their military service, and they have recommended themselves in high-quality training, for example, in technical colleges. Military personnel from scientific companies are engaged, in particular, in developments within the military-industrial complex.

According to Vladimir Putin, a technopark is being created in the Russian army for young specialists who have graduated from higher educational institutions and are able to use this knowledge in practice in the country's Armed Forces.

From the statement of the Russian leader on the forum:

We must keep in mind that we are gradually moving away from the conscription service altogether.

Vladimir Putin noted that the process could go much faster, but the state budget forms a rather rigid framework in this regard.

It should be recalled that several months ago, the country's main defense department published a report in which it was reported that the number of servicemen serving on the basis of the concluded contract exceeded the number of conscripts for the first time.

Comments

[LAWNER]

What nonsense ???? Maybe in the future we will invite the Swiss guard instead of our contractors?

[Pirogov]

Quote: LAWNER

What nonsense ???? Maybe in the future we will invite the Swiss guard instead of our contractors?

I agree . Every man at least a year should serve. Moreover, time is such that ,, partners ,,, bite their feet.

[MoJloT]

Here the question is different, we live in a capitalist society with a market economy, in an era of multinational companies where borders and countries are eroded. This implies the primacy of the private over the general, the interest of capital over the state, the goals of the elites over the people. In such a situation, the conscript army is doomed, it loses its ability to fight. If God forbid, tomorrow is a war, then most of our leadership will simply wash off with families and grandmothers for a cardon, and the population will run, guided by logic - this is not in my interests. In such a situation, only those in whose interests it is - mercenaries who were hired to do this job can act.

[LAWNER]

Fridman, the owner of the alpha bank, demanded to start the bankruptcy procedure of Uralvagonzavod. Now he is transferring his money to the Bafeta charity fund (USA) and personal Genesis (USA). Not so long ago in New York, they raised $ 35,5 million in four hours to raise money for the IDF. Guess who transferred the largest amount?

[alexmach]

Only if contracted professionals themselves do not run among the first :) That, in general, following your described logic, a very likely outcome.

[73bor]

It is necessary not to evade the call, but to support the mixed principle of manning, with whom gentlemen will be able to complete a good reserve, maybe students!? What nonsense?

[alexmach]

It is necessary. I agree. It’s just not clear how to do this “wisely”. On the one hand, what will be the use of a year of service. Will the result be a sensible reservist? How then to maintain the skills of this reservist? And how to ensure social justice? It is clear that not everyone will serve, how to make sure that those who serve do not have an advantageous position than those who do not serve? In fact, now they are losing a year in terms of study and career. What they receive in return is not clear.

[tolyasik0577]

I served in the mid 90's. taking into account business trips, the period was 1.5 years. 2 is too much. For a year, it is quite possible to teach a fighter to shoot from a machine gun and throw a grenade. I was a driver of an armored personnel carrier. After demobilization I was able to go to university, the benefit was concessions, small. Those who have brains before the army will not lose them even after a year of service. Army lottery, where you get. Hazing is a scourge. any army, but then how lucky. I was lucky, and in which case I can fight back NATO. If it weren’t for military service, what could militias oppose to punishers in the Donbass?

[alexmach]

I don’t know, I didn’t serve and deliberately avoided the army, I was a leash in the military department.

For a simple reason - before the institute, I needed all the strength and the best preparation and mobilization to enter the university with great competition, it seemed to me that right after studying in a strong school it would be easier to do this after two years (at the same time) of "rest" in the army.
Upon completion of the institute, all the forces were needed for a career in which I already lagged behind classmates who worked from 3-4 courses.

In order to break this addiction, either everyone should serve at a certain time (in Estonia, for example, they mainly serve after high school, recently our colleague left for service, and he still has a job. In Israel, everyone serves after school and before college and without serving, you just won’t get to college). Or create conditions so that those who have served can catch up with those who have not served (the same benefits when entering the institute ... but then a double-edged sword comes out - will it affect the quality of education, and will there be benefits when entering the best institutes?)

[basmach]

In such a situation, the first ones that will tear the claws will be the mercenaries.

[Vasya Vassin]

Everyone’s stupidity is just to be taken. On the contrary, it is necessary to put the matter in such a way that this year the young man strives to go to serve, so that this would be a backlog of his career growth in life.

[Monos]

A man who has not served in the army, "meat" in the war. And EVERYONE will have to fight. All will be in operation. Children and women to machine tools, men "in the gun." Or have we forgotten the lessons of the Great Patriotic War?
And by the way:

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MOUSE!

[MoJloT]

The Soviet Union fought in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of a common bright future, now everyone has their own bright future, survival is essential for its achievement. Following from this, neither

All will be in operation. Children and women to machine tools, men "in the gun"

will not, will be saved who can. Naturally there are heroes who bravely gave their lives for the fatherland or who did not pass the natural selection by capitalism from the modern bell tower, who died in the name of a showdown of capital.

[Monos]

Quote: MoJloT

The Soviet Union fought in the Great Patriotic War for the sake of a common bright future.

You invented this nonsense yourself? The question was about the life or death of the Country and the people. And they all perfectly understood this. What is the bright future for someone out there? You at least look at military posters and read poetry.

[MoJloT]

I perfectly understand your indignation, far from all relatives have returned from the war, then Agan, Chechnya, Dagestan. But you are not Elton John, take off your pink glasses, leave the propaganda, take a sober look at things, the modern world, the new Russia. Now the question of a person’s life is not strongly connected with the territory in which he lives now, as well as his future. Leave posters stories, poems for students, we need to live in the present.

[IQ12NHJ21az]

And who fought in the 1st World War? and for whom? (for faith, the tsar and the fatherland - for the faith-god with her, for the tsar-hell with him, but for the Fatherland - this is from fiction - the answer of the old Bolshevik)

[krops777]

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MOUSE!

Thank you, I join in the congratulations:

[venik]

Quote: Pirogov

I agree . Every man at least a year should serve.

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I AGREE WITH THIS !!! BUT ... (Oh, this damned "BUT"! ..). And WHAT can a guy do in 1 (one) year? The army is becoming more and more “technological” ... For a year a kid can be “somehow taught” to shoot, dig in and disguise .... In short - “foot wraps” ..... And more - NO B-E- OH !!!
And for Maintenance of high-tech equipment - oooooooo !!!! There must be at least 3 (THREE!) Years! And NO less! (And the army and armaments are becoming more and more difficult .... Well, it was not in vain that during the Soviet era, the service life was 2 years in the ground and 3 in the Navy (and before that, by the way, a year more !!!).
No, the fact that ALL men are, at least a year, but must SERVE, I certainly agree !!! (with two hands and two legs - FOR !!!). At least, in order to understand what the MOTHERLAND is, and what the SERVICE is (MOTHERLAND !!!).
Here it is necessary to look for some sound COMPROMISE (and not to throw money "down the drain", and so that there should be a RESERVE !!!)

[Dedall]

Quote: venik

Quote: Pirogov

I agree . Every man at least a year should serve.

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I AGREE WITH THIS !!! BUT ... (Oh, this damned "BUT"! ..). And WHAT can a guy do in 1 (one) year? The army is becoming more and more “technological” ... For a year a kid can be “somehow taught” to shoot, dig in and disguise .... In short - “foot wraps” ..... And more - NO B-E- OH !!!
And for Maintenance of high-tech equipment - oooooooo !!!! There must be at least 3 (THREE!) Years! And NO less! (And the army and armaments are becoming more and more difficult .... Well, it was not in vain that during the Soviet era, the service life was 2 years in the ground and 3 in the Navy (and before that, by the way, a year more !!!).
No, the fact that ALL men are, at least a year, but must SERVE, I certainly agree !!! (with two hands and two legs - FOR !!!). At least, in order to understand what the MOTHERLAND is, and what the SERVICE is (MOTHERLAND !!!).
Here it is necessary to look for some sound COMPROMISE (and not to throw money "down the drain", and so that there should be a RESERVE !!!)

I work in a military unit and I can say that military commissariats are driving the contingent, fulfilling the plan, which sits in hospitals for 3-4 months per year of service. Remember about all sorts of hemorrhoids, varicocele and flat feet. At home, they didn’t remember about it, but in the army it was time for that. For another six months, we are struggling with all kinds of hypotrophy. It is so democratic and tolerant now called dystrophics. I remember that in the days of the USSR there were no such cases at all, although all sorts of "democrats" find fault with them. But there is still a category of draftees who see in the service a step for a career in the civil service and all kinds of police there. There, by law, military service is required. For this category, all these “digging” and “shooting” and, even more so, sweeping the parade ground are perceived as an insult. And before, when the cleaners were still working in the units, such people scattered garbage on purpose. In short, in the best case, 5-10% of the recruits are going to serve. That's just the contract soldiers are now massively fired due to low salaries. So, GDP is likely to replace the rank and file with Tajik Tajiks, as is now done in public utilities.

[SERGE ANT]

The previous speakers removed everything from the language !!! Children can shoot with guns now, but they can teach servicing modern weapons for an urgent period

[citizen242]

It’s a complicated technique, which he learns in a year, breaks down yet, and he needs to put on his shoes to feed him and so on and so forth. That used to be NVP and stuff, it needs to be developed. What would I know for which end the machine hold well and fees

[Aspid 86]

Serving is not necessary. It is enough to undergo training for the "militia" (basic shooting skills, regulations, military specialties). At that time, when the aircraft are filled with sophisticated technology "staff turnover" serving this technique - this is nonsense.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: LAWNER

What nonsense ????

- Professionals should work everywhere. And in the army too!

Pirogov /// I agree. Every man at least a year should serve

- But what about! For a good fee, under a long-term contract, young people will go to serve.

[St Petrov]

professionals, in theory, end in a conflict very quickly - and the whole burden falls on a mobilization resource, which is worse organized and trained and less than 18 years old for guys and health less - but there is a margin for the number of souls.

Give more fees!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: s-t Petrov

and all the burden falls on the mobilization resource

Which in the case of a fully contracted army, will be commonplace "nerds." In no case should you refuse the call!

[St Petrov]

In no case should you refuse the call! drinks

fact

[citizen242]

but what about drones and other demons, why does a person have to serve a year digging, cleaning a toilet, etc. when he will operate the joystick for 50 km. Better he would be a good programmer or engineer than specialists would go to replace the trenches, for quantity.

[Gardamir]

professionals in theory end in conflict very quickly

Yes you are an oppositionist!

[Black5Raven]

Quote: s-t Petrov

professionals in theory end in conflict very quickly

Only now, the times of conflicts with millions of soldiers on the fronts are a thing of the past.

[MoJloT]

The contractor is not necessarily a professional, but a mercenary.

[Vasya Vassin]

Quote: MoJloT

The contractor is not necessarily a professional, but a mercenary.

You said it softly.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: MoJloT

but surely a mercenary.

But what about the profession - to defend the homeland? Do not stick labels, most do not serve as grandmas. The call is needed as a mobilization reserve, because in the era of the VERY narrow and very technological focus of modern weapons, it is not possible to provide the army with specialists.

[vladimirZ]

Replacing the draft army with a contract one is more difficult for Russia, surrounded by potential enemies, to come up with!
The oligarchic comprador power acts against the interests of the people of Russia, against its defenses, in the interests of the main enemy - the United States.

[Gardamir]

Replacing the draft army with a contract one is more difficult for Russia, surrounded by potential enemies, to come up with!

What do you want? The liberal president looks with loving eyes to the West, and everyone is looking for cunning plans.

[Department-M]

We must keep in mind that we are gradually moving away from the conscription service altogether.

On the one hand and well, professionals will serve ..
And if war, which is quite possible ..?
Nevertheless, I believe that schools need institutes to urgently introduce NVP! Conduct training in the field, etc. Otherwise, panic and confusion in which case .. Again they are wise, as with education in schools ..

[stas]

1 service does not give any benefit in a year.
A minimum of 2 years is needed, a minimum technical school is required for education.
In general, the main liberal in the country is the king, only smart and inventive.
Therefore, I also handed a medal to EBNu for the "heroic service of Russia" and Chubuys gave a free place for feeding, and Gref, Kudrin and other liberal ........ no offense.
And the tsar is sure that a lot of money is bad for the people - life seems to be honey, it will not turn out royally.

[alexmach]

In general, the main liberal in the country is the king, only smart and inventive.

And by the way, he never hid it. And in general, liberalism is the predominant political view in the modern Russian elite.

[venik]

Quote: LAWNER

What nonsense ???? Maybe in the future we will invite the Swiss guard instead of our contractors?

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Well, WHY is there a "Swiss Guard" ??? Would you like to blurt out something ???

[LAWNER]

Now the conscripts are not needed, then we will say that the peaceful country is not fighting with anyone and we don’t need the army, then, like the Pope, the Swiss will say very faithful soldiers, enough of them.

[spiriolla-45]

The guarantor carries a blizzard along the way. In the event of war, who will be mobilized if no one was holding a machine gun in their hands? Everyone should serve, that's why peasants are born.

[Socialism 2.0]

more and more often carries nonsense. Guarantee. There has long been a suspicion of his suitability.

[himRa]

We must keep in mind that we are gradually moving away from the conscription service altogether.

I hope the president is right, although the appeal as such should have been abandoned!
For example, at least know your potential

[St Petrov]

call is needed. before the army, a person does not know what he is capable of

Well, how to understand without urgency, write a contract for 3 years or not. Someone begins to cut veins before taking the oath

[MoJloT]

As they sign in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so will the Ministry of Defense

[weksha50]

Quote: MoJloT

How to sign in the Ministry of Internal Affairs so in the MO will

Hmm ... Maybe I don’t understand something ...
And what, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is already taking WITHOUT serving in the Armed Forces ???

[MoJloT]

Article 35 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On Police”

Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to enter the police service ... capable of fulfilling the duties of a police officer in their personal and business qualities, physical fitness and health status.

But this is not the point, the point is that the Ministry of Internal Affairs accepts citizens who have not previously worked in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, i.e. the first get a job in the Ministry of Internal Affairs without any training.
Also in the Moscow Region people suitable for health will be arranged without preliminary preparation.

[weksha50]

Quote: MoJloT

Article 35 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On Police”

I see ...

[Dezinto]

Found an interesting article here .....
These are the men!

Izvestia published an interesting interview with an MTR officer working in Syria.

- How do you rate ISIS militants? How have their units changed lately? Have new weapons, tactics, modern weapons appeared?

- We had several business trips, and each time the militants changed. It didn’t happen that we arrived and the enemy remained the same. The situation does not stand still. For example, now militants have a lot of night vision devices. These are binocular devices and Cyclops (a night vision device with two eyepieces combined into one unit. - Izvestia). There are also “pipes” - night vision sights. They are mounted on small arms. The militants also have “greenhouses” (thermal imagers. - “Izvestia”). Before all this good was not. For example, we even captured Belarusian Pulsar night vision devices from the enemy. Fairly good and relatively inexpensive products with a Chinese matrix. They also had Pulsars with rangefinder units.

- And how effectively do militants use NVD and thermal imagers?

- So far, the militants are not quite able to use this technique. For example, when they work with night vision sights, they do not take into account the ballistics of weapons. A bullet is not a laser beam. She flies along a certain trajectory. To get, especially at a great distance, it is necessary to make corrections when shooting, make offsets and take lead. They do not do this. Therefore often do not fall.
Sentinels at posts “nightlights” are not used constantly. They will look for a while and clean the appliances. And then they just listen to what is happening around. Therefore, they often cannot find in time what is happening next to the position.
But all the same, in combat work, you have to constantly take into account that the enemy has “greenhouses” and “night lights”. Especially when you approach the positions of the militants at night. You need to behave very carefully, control your movements and carefully monitor the sentries.

- It is known that ISIS teams often use various drones. Have you encountered such products?
“Mostly they make them with their own hands.” They buy engines, control systems and other parts on the Internet. Use quadrocopters. UAVs and quadrocopters work very efficiently.
For example, we saw such an option. “Fantik” (quadrocopter of the Phantom series. - “Izvestia”) with a fixed hook. An improvised explosive device (IED) is suspended from the hook. The IED has a remote detonation unit and legs. The masking device is pasted over with grass. "Fantik" secretly brings it and puts it in the grass next to the road or in the trench. And the militants are watching and when someone comes up or drives a car, remotely undermine the charge. Its power is enough to break the wheel of the truck.
We met quadrocopters with homemade bombs. Small tubes, drummers are made of nails, stabilizers are made of chopped bags. There is a fraction in charge. The quadcopter is almost inaudible. He flies up and drops a bomb. Serious shrapnel wounds can be obtained within 5 meters. At the same time, militants understand the importance of drones. And they try to bring down our and Syrian. At one of our units, they shot down a quadrocopter. Apparently, they got him out of the SVD.

- Can you talk about your combat work?

- We tried to hit the enemy in the weakest places, where he does not wait for us, and inflict maximum defeat. Once we went decently from the contact line to the rear of the militants. And at night they raided their position.
The area in the area where we worked is a “Martian” landscape. In the earth, cracks and everywhere are stones that are collected in piles and shafts. Moreover, each shaft is 2-3 m high and from 500 m to 1 km long. Due to twists and turns, it’s hard to navigate the terrain at night. At the same time, finding an opponent is not easy. Heated stones are very similar to the head or other parts of the human body.

In the depths of the enemy’s defense stood a building. At one time, the militants blew it up, and it settled. But if you climb onto its roof, or rather, what is left of it, then a good view of the enemy’s position opens. But in order to approach the building, it was necessary to cross the road. And it is located on a one and a half meter embankment, and when you overcome it, you become very noticeable. And a little further, at the crossroads, the militants have a dugout with a heavy machine gun. Of course, I had to sweat. We began to follow the enemy. They waited for the militants to lose their vigilance. Then they quickly overcame this line. They took positions, prepared and began to work.
The militants clearly did not expect that someone could so boldly attack them at night and destroy them so intensely. We then "worked out" a few dozen people. The enemy was shocked at first. They did not understand what was happening and where they were shooting at. But then their reserves pulled up. The enemy regrouped, and they started firing at all of the barrels at home, comparing our shelter with the ground. Apparently, the enemy realized that the most convenient way to work from home. Plus we noticed their surveillance devices. The militants even tried to make a small detour and began to “water” on us from the flank of a machine gun. There were quite daring ones. Several militants went ahead. Hiding behind the stones. They managed to overcome about 100 m. True, we laid them all down. They began to move away from the "house". But the machine gun from the flank did not allow to cross the road. But you can’t wait on the spot. Cover with mortar fire. I had to move along the road. When the enemy changed stores in automatic machines and reloaded machine guns, we overcame an unfortunate road with a sharp throw. After that, a relatively safe waste was already provided to us.

A few days later, we decided to plan the operation in another area according to the same scheme. First, we studied the area, carefully worked out all the issues of the operation, and took into account previous experience.
But this time they decided to take more powerful firearms - hand grenade launchers. We also had machine guns, sniper rifles and machine guns.
The place was relatively close. But we walked very carefully. Therefore, the approach took us several hours. On the way were someone's abandoned position. And there were still awnings, mattresses lay. Had to stop and inspect them. There could be mines. There was a lot of rubbish, cans and cartridge zinc in the grass. Even if you just hook it, there will be a lot of noise.
We left the facility quite late. Dawn was about to begin. Therefore, I had to act quickly and boldly. They decomposed, observed the positions of the militants, estimated their number, weapons, and the nature of the actions. Well, they started to work.
The subject of our interest was one building and approaches to it. As we understood, this is a kind of guardhouse. There, the militants rested, took food and prepared to go to intercede for the post. This is exactly what we needed. A large cluster of the enemy, who thinks he is safe and does not expect an attack. We recorded the moment when a large number of militants accumulated, apparently for instruction.
Further, everything developed rapidly. They worked out of grenade launchers. The building takes off into the air, the militants panic. Our arrows with accurate shots finish off those who were thrown back by the explosion and began to recover. Then, according to the radio interception, we were informed that we covered four important commanders and several dozen militants.

True, shots from grenade launchers immediately unmasked our positions and the militants again climbed out of all the cracks, as last time. The enemy had hidden communications, along which their machine gunners advanced to us. They turned and opened quite accurate fire. The bullets lay so close that their tracks could be felt with their bodies. Bursts were just around the corner.
They began to depart in an organized manner, covering each other under enemy fire. The first covers, and the second moves, takes a position, then the first is pulled to it, etc. The militants again behaved very boldly. Plus, they were well oriented on the ground. We have already decently moved away from the battlefield. Suddenly, an action movie pops up from the flank and starts firing. I managed to release almost the entire store in our direction. And I just ran across at this time. But the partner clearly worked. I just heard the sound of bam-bam shots. A clear "twosome" right in the center of the "carcass". If we had a little delay, then the impudent action movie would come to our rear. The operation was very successful. We rustled there decently.

- And how did you interact with the Syrian military?

- We need to establish cooperation with them and involve them in every way in the performance of tasks. If we go on a mission, then we are gathering Syrian commanders from all over the front. Often, only at such meetings they get to know each other. We help them to establish interaction with each other. We explain where, how and where we will work, we take their personnel with us. Be sure to instruct them to let us return from the battle and not strike us with their fire. We try to leave our representative for coordination. Syrian soldiers are different. There are fighting ones. But it happens that under fire you say “run” to him, but he cannot budge - his legs become cottony. And sometimes they start to cry. On the one hand, they can be understood. We are here on a business trip. They won back - and home. And here they have been fighting continuously for six years.

Kapets work.

[himRa]

I read it with interest .... cool guys!
If only among the Syrians there were no traitors!
And ... it turns out there are not just these ,, basmachi ,, !!! where did the money come from?

[Vasya Vassin]

Thank you for the article. Very interesting.

[Dezinto]

This is a series - tell him how tired you are at the office today.

[ando_bor]

Gradually - this is the problem, or to cancel, or to call on everyone, they don’t call everyone, - they call the right amount, this is about a third of the draft contingent, but there is no selection system, or rather it is, there’s no holy place, but it’s completely criminal - corruption, someone is paying off somewhere, and someone is entering somewhere to get into the service.

[Bronevick]

And who will paint the grass, and who will build summer houses for the generals?

[Fedorov]

For a long time already this is not .... Left in the past.

[Sergej1972]

Generals have already given preference to the services of professional builders.

[Fedorov]

I believe the call should be! Scientific companies are a good thing, but so far they are of little use. But competently shoot from Kalash and RPG-7, to drive an armored personnel carrier is the right thing. And as practice shows, it is necessary.
A man and at 50 years old will remember, laid in 18-25 years old, and not with a mattress, but they will drag the battlefield.
Give Kalash now to the hands of the 3rd year of Moscow State University, What will he do with it, take measurements, sing differas, mold derivatives with Poisson integrals? Or control the strike will remember. Not politely getting a foot on the head for poor driving BTR-80 for example. And if tomorrow is war? (God forbid).

[Sharansky]

Quote: Fedorov

But competently shoot from Kalash and RPG-7, to drive an armored personnel carrier is the right thing.

To do something correctly, you need motivation and constant practice. The motivation of a man who was driven into the army from under a stick and a year of service does not give anything. A waste of time and money.

[Fedorov]

What do you propose?

The motivation of a man who was driven into the army from under a stick and a year of service does not give anything

Well, who wants to wean from Mom’s nipple and well-fed life. Sometimes it’s worth it and drive, maybe a man will come out of the mattress. ? And I think it follows that the character of the guy will become a little different, and not climb clubs.
And parents need to be inculcated in school as well.

[Sharansky]

Quote: Fedorov

What do you propose?

Yes, nothing special. Well, at least they got rid of the footcloths.

Quote: Fedorov

And I think it follows that the character of the guy will become a little different

[dauria]

Interesting photo ....

And the most surprising - the one in the center (Zverev) A Rastorguev with Kozhugetovich NOT-A served

[Glory1974]

And Rastorguev with Kozhugetovich NOT-A

Kuzhugetich no, but Rastorguev studied at a military school, but left.

[Sonet]

Any contract army implies that it will have to fight either with an army of equal size or with a smaller or more but less combat-ready.
Now let's look at our probable opponent:
-NATO with its military machine and powerful US Army
-China with its millionth army
The conclusion is that if the Russians want to survive in the current historical situation, they must leave the call.

[Fedorov]

NATO is a dubious creature in geyrop; there is no unity and communication. Just like the United States, how do they turn into a geyropu? Three months to wait until the Russian soldier will already drink champagne in Paris. They have nothing to contrast quickly at the European theater. IT'S just a skating rink will be in Europe. I don’t throw my hats, but really look at things. Have you seen sudden inspections and a bunch of exercises in the last three years?
Well, the United States will not go into the Black Sea, the Baltic and the North as well, the Pacific border is closed tightly.
Well, while we are friends with China.

Yes, and we do not forget the nuclear club, here already and while Russia is ahead of the rest.

[Blackmokona]

It is interesting how the millionth Russian army will break through 1,5 million in three months.

[Sharansky]

Quote: Fedorov

Three months to wait until the Russian soldier will already drink champagne in Paris.

the example of Syria, as it were, tells us that, to put it mildly, is not so.

[ando_bor]

Quote: Sonet

The conclusion is that if the Russians want to survive in the current historical situation, they must leave the call.

If you leave the call, then you need to call everyone, and not a third of the draft contingent as it is now,
- But will it pull the economy, will it be an unproductive dispersal of funds?
I convey a recent conversation - how much was the army in the Union?
- almost five million,
- it cannot be, no economy can stand it.
- And she could not stand it.
Of course you can be smart and scream that Gorbachev has ruined everything,
but such wise men wait a rake.

[Department-M]

Again, we copy the West .. And then we will wash ourselves with blood!
The army is not just a duty to the motherland, but also a school of men! This is a test of yellow-faced boys for the title of peasant defender .. During the Soviet era, those who did not serve were considered flawed and very shy to admit (that they did not serve ..)
Now it’s like guys are eager for the Army, and they get a bummer .. Liberasts of ours, are crap again in the education system and statehood of Russia!

[Gardamir]

Selling army is good! Long live the president!

[COMMUNISM. ORTHODOXY. PUTIN]

In all I agree with VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH, but not in this matter. A call to our grandfathers is commanded, a rejection of it will become an undermining of the country's defense capability!

The main objective of the CALL is to prepare a large RESERVE for a big war. Raise a MAN.

Take a look. There is an attack on Russia in China, Japan or the United States. Shelling with cruise missiles, bombardments by invisible and drones, special forces work in our rear. The contract army will immediately run away, they can drive the Papuans for money, but the high-tech enemy is too tough for them. And here only the CALL saves. HUNDREDS of large divisions, brave boys with Kalashnikovs and T-72. Take a breeze ride to the English Channel and Manchuria. They are crushed, Raptors and Aircraft carriers strangle them with their hands, they drop Molotov cocktails. So our grandfathers breast-defended the USSR. And we were commanded, men.

[weksha50]

"We must keep in mind that we are gradually moving away from the conscription service altogether.
.... the process could go much faster, but the state budget forms a rather rigid framework in this regard "...
Yes, the point is not in the budget, which hand-worn government officials cannot heap, although - in it too ...
ANY kid-young man - a man, a citizen of his country and his state must be able to defend his country with arms in his hands ...
Speeches about patriotism from high party stands, as well as chatter on various forums on this topic will not help protect the country from either an external or internal enemy ...
Every man should be able to handle weapons and know the basics of military training ...

[TsUS-Air Force]

Now they will begin to sign contracts by force !!!

[Des10]

Contractors are more profitable, because you can not really provide (after dismissal they counted 60 tr - and there is nothing to extradite), do not treat (everyone (I know myself) in hospitals most of the medicines and examinations --- buy - - for no), plus all kinds of requisitions (separate topic) ... and after the destruction of the institution of ensigns --- and there is less money, experts will not go.
All that remained was housing, a pension, and truncated (only two family members) payment for travel to the place of vacation.
And all sorts of livestock and so perfectly live - putting on the uniform once a year - on the contract.

[samarin1969]

Campaigning for compassionate mothers ....
Without a massive army and a real reserve system, Russia will be torn apart as a Union. Russia is not Latvia, it will not be covered by the "NATO umbrella". And geopolitical, crowded opponents, hungry for resources - abound ... Sad news ...

[Black5Raven]

Quote: samarin1969

Without a massive army and a real reserve system, Russia will be torn apart as a Union.

The army did not save the Union from collapse, but it was much larger than the Russian one.

Quote: samarin1969

Russia is not Latvia; NATO umbrella will not cover it

His own

[groks]

Well, in general this is unpleasant. And not because "not a man", this is nonsense, not because if we do not have a reserve for the army, at least somewhat familiar with the technology, but at least the AK can disassemble those who know how.
This confirms the opinion that Serdyukov did not really ruin the army at all. And he reformed it. And we will soon receive its form, which is not aimed at repelling an external threat. A mobile force to suppress internal unrest. Together with the Russian Guard.
I don’t know - "scientific companies", who are they from? Of yesterday’s schoolchildren? Or will graduates of universities be pulled out there? In the first case, it’s even terrible to imagine the level of majority in them. In the second, the idea is no less crazy, but with a greater threat - the next step may be to disperse the WU.

[bald]

--- "We must keep in mind that we are gradually moving away from conscription service altogether." --- But this is not to be done at all !!! No offense to many, the conscript soldier, not related to civilian universities, is many times better and more reliable than institute ones. The Vienna department in universities with their “lightning” is far from the Army. But the contractor after the term is gold (not without excl.).

[Black_Vatnik]

let's, let's. So at least there was a place where young “personalities” from YouTube were set up after the opposition rallies, and deprive it, yeah.

[Glory1974]

they’re doing the right thing to evade the call. The weapon is complex, you need to learn to use it for a long time. in case of war - conscripts cannon fodder.
Therefore, 10 divisions of draftees will not be saved. If there is no sense from them, why pay money?

[ando_bor]

Quote: rudolff

We must get away from the call, but the call itself to increase.

Yes, many do not understand, but now the situation is ugly, there is a call, but they do not call everyone, they call somewhere about a third of the draft contingent, and there is no selection system, what is the call - a feeder for military registration and enlistment offices, and they pay for the excuse and for the call.

[a.hamster55]

High-tech weapons and equipment, as well as specialists, will quickly end on both sides! And the turn will come of the mass mobilization army, so in a year you can at least teach how to equip the end.

[tasha]

Decent maintenance of a soldier is a serious burden for the state. One has to put up with this, because the army of a strong country should have a place to go.
In my opinion, conscription should be extended. 2-3 of the year. But! During this time, the young man must undergo initial military training and receive the necessary working profession for the state. And, to our great regret, to be educated ... As compensation, you can reduce the cost of scholarships for students in vocational schools ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tasha

As compensation, you can reduce the cost of scholarships for students in vocational schools

Please indicate the size of the scholarship. Is there definitely something to cut back on?

[tasha]

Incorrectly formulated proposal. Scholarship expenses will simply be reduced. As well as the cost of maintaining hostels.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tasha

Incorrectly formulated proposal. Scholarship expenses will simply be reduced. As well as the cost of maintaining hostels.

Clear.

Quote: tasha

In my opinion, conscription should be extended. 2-3 years

And from the army they will again start to "run" ...

IMHO even a year is enough to prepare a fighter to the level of "average for the USSR Armed Forces", but:
- no unloading (wagons with coal, for example), painting (the sky in blue, and grass in green, including) and other household work
- combat, technical, physo ... what else is there from the useful - that's just it.
If so, then a year is quite enough, I repeat. IMHO, of course

[tasha]

Under normal conditions, yes. When everything is smooth and smooth in the country, then for a year you can get a poorly trained soldier.
In our country, not everything is smooth and smooth. But tasks of this level must be addressed comprehensively.
On a separate line. Imagine that while serving in the army you can get training and get a driver’s license. Free ... Or become a welder. Or a bricklayer.

[Alex66]

Why rejoice? The abolition of the draft, the transition to a professional army, but keep in mind the army will protect first of all the one who pays the money and certainly it is not the workers, peasants and intelligentsia. They will protect the property of the new bourgeoisie in this is its mission, the professional army will not win such a war as the Second World War. After the exchange of high-precision, clever strikes, it will be necessary to hit in the old fashioned way, but whoever was put into service, who was not in the army, didn’t shoot a machine gun, did not throw a grenade. So a professional army will protect the interests of capital.

[andrej-shironov]

Honestly, the initiative is bad. there are still more minuses. However, the current government and the oligarchs do not need people outside the army who have performed military service. It’s dangerous, you know.

[vodkinmotors1]

But what about the National Guard of the Russian Federation? So many conscripts will lose the cops. If there is no one to shoot people.

[Sofa warrior]

GDP is right, one must leave the draft. To the extreme, make it possible for voluntary contractual service to be made lighter, that is, health requirements as a draftee, but a contract for a year. And then it’s tougher.

And who does not agree - hopelessly stuck in the XX century with his "MUST MUST". And if one turns to vocabulary, then the “man” is a disempowered peasant, unlike a free man, a man who owes nothing to anyone. The boys driven out from under the stick will never serve normally. And whoever needs it - volunteers, contract soldiers, will go to the army.

Quote: tasha

Incorrectly formulated proposal. Scholarship expenses will simply be reduced. As well as the cost of maintaining hostels.

Have you ever studied? I have a scholarship of 1700 rubles. in the University. Just ordinary, without social programs. Dormitories - the passion of the Lord, came there to his girlfriend and was horrified.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sofa Warrior

The boys kicked out of the stick will never serve normally

They served in the Soviet Army. Fine.
And in general, the Army is not a kindergarten even once: I want - I sing, I want - I dance ...
And by the way - where to put your "boys", who have not served, in time of war (don’t bring, Lord)? Under my mother’s skirt?
IMHO a call is needed. At least in order to provide the mobile reserve in case ... but just in case.
A case, he, you know, happens ... any

[Sharansky]

and really, where to put it?

[Sofa warrior]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Sofa Warrior

The boys kicked out of the stick will never serve normally

They served in the Soviet Army. Fine.
And in general, the Army is not a kindergarten even once: I want - I sing, I want - I dance ...
And by the way - where to put your "boys", who have not served, in time of war (don’t bring, Lord)? Under my mother’s skirt?
IMHO a call is needed. At least in order to provide the mobile reserve in case ... but just in case.
A case, he, you know, happens ... any

Do you seriously believe that someone will start a classic war with us? And in the Soviet army everyone defended the MOTHERLAND, and not the capitalists, as it is now. The target of the potential attack will be our resources. That's who has the main gesheft with them - let him protect them. And here, some of us can only build palaces and take money to offshore, and how to protect the country - so somehow somehow right into the bushes. Without social guarantees for everyone, this is all a dead issue. How much do you need to save for an apartment now with an average salary?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sofa Warrior

And in the Soviet army everyone defended the MOTHERLAND, not the capitalists, as now

You have no families, as I understand it. Parents - also not, an orphan, began to be. Not even a beloved dog ... feel sorry for you.
If so, then you really have no one and nothing to protect.
To me - there is, you can envy.

Quote: Sofa Warrior

The target of the potential attack will be our resources. That's who has the main gesheft with them - let him protect them.

Trolling-I-yaishka ... I’ve been hearing and reading this training manual for five years now, in different parts of the world, but everything is the same ...
Ugh ...