Reich miracle weapon: Zenger space bomber

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The Third Reich lasted only 12 years, collapsing under the blows of the Allied forces. At the same time the winners got really rich trophies, among which were the real wonders of technology, which were tens of years ahead of their time. It is no coincidence that by many researchers, these 12 years of the Reich's existence are characterized as the quintessence of scientific and technological progress. It was the Third Reich that opened the way for the stars to humanity, giving a significant impetus to the development of rocket technology.

One of these trophies was the drawings of the orbital bomber, which had many names Silbervogel (German silver bird), Amerika Bomber, Orbital-Bomber, etc. Today it is known to many as the Zenger space bomber, named after its creator. This bomber was created as part of the Amerika Bomber program (a program to create ultra-long-range bombers for bombing the US), and could also be used to bomb remote areas of the USSR, in particular Siberia and the Far East.

Of particular interest is the launch of this unit. The orbital bomber was proposed to be installed on special “slides”, which were equipped with booster rocket engines. A sled with a bomber was placed on a special overpass with a monorail with a total length of 3000 meters. “Sleds” should have provided traction in 600 t. In just 11 seconds. After takeoff and reach altitude in 1,5 km. at the speed of 1850 km / h, the main rocket engine of the bomber had to be launched, which, according to the designers, would have to disperse the combat aircraft to 8 22 km / h within 100 minutes and raise it to 145 km altitude. The theoretical maximum altitude of the bomber was 280 km.

Reich miracle weapon: Zenger space bomber

The movement of the apparatus in the stratosphere was also interesting. According to Eugen Zenger, as a result of the initial acceleration and subsequent descent under the action of gravity to the dense layers of the atmosphere (about 40 km), the device had to push off from the dense layers of the atmosphere and rise again. This model of movement allowed the device not to enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, avoiding repeated intense frictional heating. This model of movement is familiar to many children and resembles the movement of a flat stone launched on the water surface. The amplitude of such jumps was to be continuously reduced until the bomber could go on normal planning for a landing using an ordinary tri-support chassis. The estimated range of the orbital bomber was 23 500 km. In fact, Zenger invented the concept of an aircraft, which anticipated the American project Space Shuttle and the Soviet project Energy-Buran.

Description of the project

Austrian scientist Eugen Zenger was born in 1905 year. In 1929, Zenger graduated from the Higher Technical School in Vienna and began his scientific work. In April, the young engineer-scientist 1931 began a series of experiments with rocket engines. During 5 years, he was able to improve (by conducting a large number of static tests) a regeneratively cooled liquid-propellant rocket engine (LRE), which was cooled by its own fuel that circulated around the combustion chamber. This engine Zenger planned to use in his bomber.

For a long time, there was an opinion that rockets should return to the lower layers of the atmosphere at a rather small angle. Almost all the calculations were based on this opinion almost until the end of the Second World War. However, Dr. Eugen Zenger, in collaboration with the mathematician Irena Bredt, who later became his wife, proposed a completely different concept. According to their theory of the rocket, it was necessary to return to the earth at an angle close to a straight line.


Bradt and Zenger prepared a relevant scientific report, which was immediately classified and in the number of 100 copies sent to the most prominent scientists in this field. A number of these reports under the heading "Long-range rocket engine bomber" were subsequently discovered by special intelligence units of the Allied forces.

First of all, Zenger was interested in the question of what would happen if the cruise missile enters the dense atmosphere (at an altitude of 40 km) too abruptly and too quickly. From the documents it becomes clear that in this case the cruise missile had to ricochet. Having “bounced off” from the dense layers of the atmosphere, the rocket again went upwards into more discharged layers. After overcoming a certain distance, it again falls into dense layers and ricochets again from them. The flight path of such an aircraft was a wavy line with a gradually decaying amplitude. According to the calculations made by Zenger and Bredt, this trajectory significantly increased the given flight of the vehicle.

Based on these calculations, Zenger designed the concept of a missile "antipode bomber", included in history under many names. The bomber was created as a supersonic stratospheric apparatus. He had a carrying fuselage, which partially served as a wing and was very licked. The wedge-shaped wings were very short. The bomber had a horizontal tail, which was located at the very end of the fuselage. The fuel was in the 2-x large tanks located on both sides of the fuselage behind the wing in the tail of the device. Similarly, but in front of the wing, oxygen tanks were placed. The power plant of the bomber consisted of a huge rocket engine that could develop thrust in the 100 T. The engine was located in the rear fuselage and worked on kerosene and liquid oxygen. In addition, the space bomber was equipped with two auxiliary rocket engines located on the sides of the main one.


The pilot was placed in a special sealed cabin in front of the fuselage. A tricycle landing gear was used to make a planning landing. In the central compartment of the fuselage there was a compartment for bombs that could hold up to 10 m. Conventional bombs. Defensive weapons on a bomber was not planned to install. It was assumed that the length of the orbital bomber will be about 28 meters, wingspan - 15 meters, dry weight of the device - 10 tons, fuel weight - 80 tons. The total weight of the vehicle, taking into account the bomb load, was reduced to 100 tons.

With such an impressive weight, a huge amount of fuel was required for takeoff. Here ordinary starting accelerators could not help. The way out proposed by Zenger was to build a straight long launch site - a monorail 3 km long. Next, the bomber was placed on a special slide, on which it was possible to put the required number of rocket engines. These jet slides were supposed to accelerate the monorail bomber in 10 seconds to the speed of 500 m / s, after which he gained altitude using his cruising engine.
According to Zenger’s theoretical calculations, the speed of a space bomber could reach 6 000 m / s, and the maximum flight altitude in 260 km. made it orbital. The bomber was moving along the trajectory described above, the ninth lower point would be in 16 800 km. from the start. After that, the aircraft could be at an altitude of 40 km for some time, and at a distance of 23 000 km from the launch site would begin to lose height and, having flown another 500 km (a total of half the distance around the Earth), would land. The landing speed of the bomber was equal to 140 km / h, which made it possible for any of the existing airports of those years to receive the rocket glider.

Flight mode options offered by Zenger

The scheme of such flights was calculated by Eugen Zenger quite accurately, although it had a number of drawbacks. For example, the antipodal point for any launch site from the territory of Germany turned out to be in the region of Australia or New Zealand, i.e. territory, which was in the hands of the allies. In addition to this, the target cities were not always located as the “flight plan” required. Any bombardment would be done from the lowest point of the trajectory, but even in this case, dispersion during the bombing would be very significant. The only city in the Western Hemisphere that, according to Zenger’s scheme, would be under the lower point of the trajectory, was New York. In this case, the bomber itself would be sent to Japan or that part of the Pacific Ocean, which was controlled by the Japanese troops and landed on the territory of the ally.



First option

The first option involved the launch of a bomber in Germany, its exit into near space and flying along a drop-down ballistic trajectory to the point of bombing and landing at the antipode point. Since these points were in the area of ​​Australia or New Zealand, the rocket glider would inevitably be lost along with the pilot. Yes, and bombing from a very high altitude when using conventional bombs was very ineffective. In this case, an option was considered with a possible dive to the target and the subsequent ejection of the pilot. In this case, the highest accuracy of the bombing would be achieved.

The second option

According to the second variant, the space bomber had to reach the bombing point, bomb the target, then turn to 180 degrees and return to the launch site. When launching, the rocket glider had to accelerate to the speed of 6 370 m / s and reach an altitude of 91 km. In this mode of flight along a ballistic trajectory at a distance in 5 500 km. from the launch site, its speed should have dropped to 6 000 m / s, and the flight altitude should drop to 50 km. After another 950 km. bombing was carried out, after which the aircraft for 330 seconds performed a turn with a radius of 500 km. and come back. The speed of the car after exiting the U-turn would be 3 700 m / s, and the height of the flight 38 km. At a distance of 100 km. from the starting point already on the territory of Germany, the aircraft speed would be 300 m / s, and the flight altitude 20 km. The subsequent planning and landing phase was identical to a conventional aircraft.

Third Embodiment

Under this variant, Zenger considered the “wave-planning” mode, which resembled the trajectory of a stone bouncing off the water surface. When planning from space, the rocket glider had to be reflected several times from the dense boundaries of the atmosphere, significantly increasing the distance of a possible flight. In order to implement such a regime, the Zenger orbital bomber had to reach speed in 7 000 m / s and reach a flight altitude in 280 km. at a distance of 3 500 km. from the start. The first decline and "rebound from the atmosphere" at an altitude of 40 km. should have happened over a distance of 6 750 km. from the start. Ninth planning and “bounce” would occur 27 500 km away. from the start. After 3 hours 40 minutes of flight, the rocket glider, having completely rounded the Earth, was supposed to land at an airfield in Germany. The estimated point of bombing was in this mode at the next decrease to the borders of the atmosphere.


Zenger’s report ended with a recommendation to adopt a single-base scheme as the most practical, as well as listing the research that needed to be done to develop this truly “space” bomber. The project was supported by officials from the High Command of the Luftwaffe, who proposed the creation of a special secret scientific research institute in the town of Trauen. The start of construction of a test site for full-scale testing of the Silbervogel rocket engine was scheduled for June 1941. The implementation period of the program was 10 years, in fact, this is exactly what ruined the project. In the 1941 year, by launching a campaign against the USSR, Germany curtailed all programs that could not work in the coming years.
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  1. snek
    +7
    27 March 2012 10: 24
    In any case, a flexible undertaking. If you consider the costs of launching, the result in the form of dropping a few bombs (non-nuclear) looks simply ridiculous.
    1. +1
      27 March 2012 11: 01
      and also add the non-obviousness of landing in the right place, and in general the idea of ​​Munich will be
    2. +13
      27 March 2012 11: 15
      Quote: snek
      In any case, a flexible undertaking.


      the idea is certainly fatal, but other countries didn’t have such ... one can only assume that if Germany had refrained from starting the war for another five years and brought to mind its developments in the field of nuclear bombs and jet aircraft, then the subsequent course of the world war could would be much worse ...
      1. +3
        27 March 2012 14: 39
        snek,
        In any case, a flexible undertaking.

        Well, this is of course, you probably put together a whole design bureau for a brainstorming session to say so categorically :) with Korolev, by the way, the same thing is not so smooth and immediately went, unfortunately, and the story with the FAU was also very long ... about completely new technologies and opportunities. Let it be known to you that Buran is the brainchild of military "guys", can you guess for what purpose? That's right, we google the topic - the secret resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the study of the possibility of creating weapons for warfare in space and from space" from the year 76 :) the idea, if you do not go into details in general, is the same, so do not it is worth rushing to conclusions.
        The Germans, over the 12 years of their gr @ reich IMHO, achieved very high results in science and technology, which, however, had one main thrust - destruction. Who else can boast of such breakthroughs in such a short period since then? I do not need to underestimate their scientific and technical potential of the period of the Third Reich, it was a very powerful and deadly enemy for many states.
        1. snek
          +1
          27 March 2012 15: 12
          Quote: Kolyma
          Well, that’s of course, you collected the whole design bureau for a brainstorming session to declare so categorically :)

          No, he just called on common sense. The Germans undoubtedly achieved significant achievements in technical terms, and if you take rocketry, they left the rest of the world behind. But in practice, less high-tech solutions are often more effective than a wunderwaffe. Here is Speer's opinion on V2: "To drop the same amount of explosives that the Americans dropped with the help of four-engine B-17 bombers (“Flying Fortress”), 66 V-000s would have to be used, which would have taken 2 years to produce"
          This project on technical solutions is many times superior to Fau 2. And the more complex the mechanism, the greater the likelihood that something will break in it. Theoretically, everything is very interesting and beautiful, I do not argue. But in practice, there are several problems: This thing starts with a monorail that is easy to find to bomb. Secondly: the mass of the apparatus is 10 tons, the bomb load is another 10, and the fuel is 80 tons. For comparison, Proton puts 23 tons into low Earth orbit with a dead weight of more than 700. So the Germans even then were 10 times ahead of our modern ones, or the project was a utopia. Thirdly, all sorts of technical "trifles" like thermal insulation, on the creation of which both we and the states spent a lot of time and effort from the Germans had to come from nowhere?
          Well, most importantly, why all this? To bomb the states a couple of times? There would be no sense from this, and such a project would "eat up" a lot of resources.
        2. rolik
          +3
          27 March 2012 18: 21
          Well, even before "Buran" and "Shuttle" we had projects "The Tempest", "Spiral", they closed only, the Royal Seven won. So the shuttles were far from the first.
          As for the idea of ​​a spaceplane, here we were also the first. Friedrich Arturovich Zander became the founder of the GIRd group in the USSR. By the way, from him, Tolstoy drew the image of the engineer Elk in the novel "Aelita". Mortally ill with an incurable form of tuberculosis, he manages to found a scientific and engineering group GIRD, lay the foundations for theoretical calculations of jet engines, rocket astrodynamics, calculate the duration of space flights, put forward the concept of a spaceplane - a combination of an aircraft and a rocket, theoretically substantiate the principle of gliding descent from near-earth space, prove the idea “ gravitational sling ", which is now used by almost all spacecraft sent to study groups of planets. On the works of Zander based almost all subsequent developments in rocket technology.

          The idea of ​​a cruise missile and the priority of its creation belongs to Zander, from whose unpublished pamphlet S.P. Korolev, who called it the "aircraft projectile." Such a rocket was tested by the Moscow GIRD in 1936. The Germans repeated this idea, according to their assertions, not knowing about the Soviet development, however, according to one version, the promising development was stolen by German intelligence.
          1. Jaguar
            +1
            27 March 2012 23: 11
            and even the Americans long before the shuttles had the North American X-15.

            X-15 flights ceased in February 1968. A total of 191 flights were completed. The first copy of the car was transferred to the National Aerospace Museum, the second - to the Air Force Museum in Dayton.

            During testing, the aircraft reached the following record speeds and altitudes:

            August 4, 1960, speed 3514 km / h,

            August 12, 1960 height 41605 m;

            March 7, 1961, speed 4264 km / h,

            March 31, 1961 height 50 300 m;

            April 21, 1961, speed 5033 km / h;

            September 12, 1961, speed 5832 km / h;

            November 9, 1961, speed 6548 km / h,

            April 30, 1962, height 77 720 m;

            July 17, 1962, height 95 m,

            August 22, 1963 height 107 906 m.
        3. vylvyn
          0
          28 March 2012 02: 02
          Kolyma, Korolev’s, by the way, the same thing didn’t go so smoothly and immediately went, unfortunately, and the story with the FAA also dragged on ..

          But the Germans were still the first to have this technique really fly.

          Kolyma, the secret resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the study of the possibility of creating weapons for warfare in space and from space" from the year 76 :) the idea, if you do not go into details, in general, is the same, so do not rush to conclusions ...

          The 76th year could not have existed for us, we would not have been there if the Germans had brought to mind all their projects, especially nuclear weapons. By the way, they are the first to create a nuclear bomb. True, it was the size of a 2-3-story building and the Germans imagined it not as a bomb, but rather as a mine installed in a particular place.

          I agree with the opinion that if the Germany-USSR war did not start in 1941, but 5-10 years later, we would be wiped out by German nuclear weapons. Although who knows what would have happened. Of course it's a shame that in the 1945th, most of the technology of the Germans came to the Americans along with the designers.
          1. +2
            17 May 2014 00: 41
            Quote: vylvyn
            if the Germans brought to mind all their projects, especially on nuclear weapons. By the way, they are the first to create a nuclear bomb. True, it was the size of an 2-3-story building and the Germans imagined it not as a bomb, but rather as a mine installed in a particular place.
            You have to have a bite. Even other apologists for nuclear weapons of the Third Reich did not think of such a feverish delirium.
        4. +3
          16 May 2014 23: 51
          Quote: Kolyma
          Korolev’s, by the way, not everything is so smooth and immediately went
          Korolev, unlike Zenger, was engaged in very specific and real things (like Brown, by the way) - maybe that's why everything worked out for him. As for this nonsense, then in 10 years nothing would have come of them - the whole idea is at the level of Efremov with his starships (or Hamilton with Lucas). "Space Shuttle" and "Energy - Buran" are as far from this, like "Titanic" from "Santa Maria" (though she even swam, unlike this miracle).

          The Germans, for 12 years of their gr @ ban Reich IMHO have achieved very high results in science and technology
          The Germans did not graze the Reich in science and technology before this Reich itself. Look at the history of science and inventions over the past 300 years - there non-German surnames are found almost more often than others. And Hitler and his company with their ideological tricks only discarded science and reduced it to the level of such pseudoscientific crafts.
      2. Kostyan new
        0
        24 May 2012 20: 15
        absolutely right ...
      3. +2
        16 May 2014 23: 29
        Quote: Krilion
        the idea is certainly fatal, but other countries didn’t have such
        Maybe that’s why they won.

        can only assume
        Anything can be assumed, even nuclear weapons, even annihilation; even "space bombers", even a warp drive.

        I think the best criterion for the reality of such "wunderwaffle" will be an appeal to the present: no one creates such nonsense now.
    3. Sasha36543
      -1
      27 March 2012 17: 03
      Do not forget that Germany at that time was also developing nuclear weapons. In addition, there were projects to contaminate American cities with radioactive substances. Japan had bacteriological weapons, and chemical Germany used in World War I. So this is not a bastard undertaking at all.
      1. snek
        +2
        27 March 2012 17: 13
        Quote: Sasha36543
        In addition, there were projects to contaminate American cities with radioactive substances. Japan had bacteriological weapons, and chemical Germany used in World War I. So this is not a bastard undertaking at all.

        It was technically possible to use chemical / biological weapons or a dirty atomic bomb against the United States. Technically, this could have been accomplished without grandiose space plans - to covertly transport several disassembled bombers, for example, to Mexico. It would be very difficult to be of an exclusively one-time nature, but at the level of a flight of fantasy, it cannot be completely ruled out (there were also projects for a sea launch of V-2 and ultra-long-range bombers). But after that, how would the states respond? That's right, thousands of British-based B-17s would be equipped with the same chemical weapons and simply "poison" all of Germany.
        1. vylvyn
          0
          29 March 2012 01: 26
          That's right, as historians confirm, Hitler was afraid of this, didn’t want the land of Germany to be infected, he wanted to keep it clean for the 1000-year-old Reich.
      2. +3
        17 May 2014 00: 52
        Quote: Sasha36543
        Do not forget that Germany at that time was also developing nuclear weapons.
        And I would have been developing for a hundred years, if I had continued along the path that led nowhere.

        In addition, there were projects to contaminate American cities with radioactive substances.
        And where is this nonsense? The fact that radiation is capable of affecting living tissue in direct contact with radioactive substances was known even by Becquerel and Marie Curie, but they learned that this can be used as a striking factor of a mass nature only after Hiroshima.

        Japan had bacteriological weapons, and chemical Germany used in the 1 World War.
        Japanese bacteriological weapons never went beyond the scope of field research (and thank God), because then they still could not artificially obtain strains of non-existent microorganisms (they only began to learn about viruses in general), and existing ones quickly lost their already not-so-sufficient lethal force .

        As for chemical weapons, there was mutual unspoken parity: nobody uses them. And although the possessed Adolf was going to use it in the 1943 first on the Eastern Front, and then (who knows), maybe against England, but Churchill and Stalin’s very unambiguous and repeated statements (and we have had enough of this stuff since WWI) cooled his ardor: the use of global and immediate success against the coalition did not guarantee, and against itself - sheer suicide.

        The idea of ​​reaching the United States across the oceans either from Germany or from Japan is generally a utopia. Such projects could only amuse the Fuhrer's brains, which were beginning to decay, on which all sorts of pseudo-scientists with their novelties such as "wunderwaffle" successfully parasitized. So, whatever one may say, but the idea is still disastrous.
    4. 755962
      0
      27 March 2012 22: 48
      Quote: snek
      It looks just ridiculous.

      But what the scope of thought! Do not stop them in 45 .... it is difficult to imagine how they would have advanced. Werner von Braun himself admitted: "Fundamental research is what I do when I have no idea what I am doing it. "
      1. +2
        17 May 2014 01: 01
        Quote: 755962
        But what is the scope of thought!
        Well, Lucas and Cameron will have an order of magnitude higher. Maybe we'll discuss the Death Star?

        Don’t stop them at 45 .... it's hard to imagine how they would advance.
        Nothing complicated. Everything that could be realized at that stage of development of precisely fundamental science was realized. Further - years of research by hundreds and thousands of people in various fields: chemistry (fuel), physics (exact knowledge about the intricacies of flight in near space), materials science (everything is clear here anyway), electronics (compactness, accuracy, reliability, performance), radio engineering (telemetry, control) ... Continue further? Yes, Brown himself - a lover of abstruse phrases - even with all the potential of America completely unaffected by the war and with the mad desire of its leaders, it took no less time than the war-ravaged USSR, burdened, moreover, by the need to feed the newly appeared "friends".
    5. +1
      27 March 2012 23: 06
      Apparently, this prodigy is a bomb with a suicide pilot (well, at best a prisoner of war), given that realistic only the first option.
      In general, such an optimistic projection, for him there was not enough of anything - the technologies that now, for the implementation of such a project, are not really there yet. Unless, of course, the price of a single launch, which is comparable to the cost of a strategic bomber, is frightening, then yes, they are (technologies).
    6. Kostyan new
      0
      24 May 2012 20: 14
      but the idea is .. ahhhh ... ehhhhhh ....
  2. Ion coaelung
    +3
    27 March 2012 10: 31
    The Germans had such a flight of fantasies that many never dreamed of !! Where did it go?
    1. +7
      27 March 2012 11: 17
      Quote: Ion Coaelung
      The Germans had such a flight of fantasies that many never dreamed of !!


      you must also take into account that they managed to translate many of their fantasies into acting models and arrange their production ...
    2. Georg Shep
      +1
      27 March 2012 11: 38
      Ion Coaelung,
      This has disappeared in the current liberal democratic system of Germany — it does not at all need any developments in science, technology, and other fields. And do not forget that on German soil (or rather, on its remnants), there are still occupying forces.
      1. +16
        27 March 2012 13: 27
        Quote: Georg Shep
        And do not forget that on German soil (or rather, on its remnants), there are still occupying forces.


        They are now all focused on improving what was invented 40-50 years ago. Two years ago, he worked in a company that purchased German devices for municipal services (waste management). A year later, they began to crumble on unsustainable natural conditions. We offered them our fundamentally new development, designed, manufactured and assembled several prototypes at their factory (they still work), they still refused to produce it (although it turned out to be much cheaper for money). Why will we change anything because of you buy equipment from us, build a workshop and produce it. and for Europe, ours are good, And if there is no money, take ours (the more often they break, the more they will have to be purchased). Naked business and protectionism always ruins fresh ideas, plus the mentality - you are accustomed to work according to instructions and schemes and their mother is ordinary ..
        Our bosses then came to Luzhkov with our wunder machine, asked for a little money under the "Clean City" program - they said no crisis, let it be better for homeless people with Tajiks to clean and dispose of it easier and cheaper (and on Tajiks, you can put extra money in your pocket). And it's a pity that the old ladies of the pensioner still remember our cars-threw a plastic bottle, get 10 kopecks, an aluminum can-40kop. and pensioners feel good and the city is cleaner.
        1. Ion coaelung
          +4
          27 March 2012 14: 35
          The ascetic correctly noted: they would only sell them, and we would only cut them, although over time we learn from each other and gradually change roles.
    3. Igor-71
      +1
      28 March 2012 02: 28
      why did you decide what was lost ?? ........ all the advanced technology in the world will be created in Germany now ................ if not for the outcome of the war, now arms leaders would be
    4. +2
      17 May 2014 01: 05
      Quote: Ion Coaelung
      The Germans had such a flight of fantasies that many never dreamed of !! Where did it go?
      Yes, to where all the fantasies are - into oblivion. Well, at best, in the piggy bank of curiosities. I think there they will make a good company for thousands of projects of perpetual motion machines and hundreds of options for proving Fermat's theorem.
  3. Rodver
    +4
    27 March 2012 10: 32
    Super car. Impressive.
    1. -1
      28 March 2012 19: 32
      What is impressive? Which car?
      Someone drew a project ... just a PROJECT! He fantasized purely theoretically without any experimental base ...
      We Tsiolkovsky long before that described the scheme of space flights! And earlier and cooler!

      It's just that a bunch of zhurnalyugs have appeared, praising the achievements of the Third Reich ... Like, they had the highest scientific potential, and "engineering thought was ahead of its time" ... In Dachau and Auschwitz, their "scientific thought"!
      And the real "superweapon" of World War II is the T-34 tank, the IL-2 attack aircraft, the legendary BM-13 and other developments of our designers ... Real developments!
  4. +2
    27 March 2012 11: 00
    And here’s the question ... why Germany from the country crushed by the Versailles world ... in such a very short time has achieved such progress ... is Chubais really to blame ... Rodver ... plus ..
    1. -3
      27 March 2012 11: 20
      Quote: ward
      why Germany from the country crushed by the Versailles world ... in such a very short time achieved such progress ...


      probably because the Bolsheviks did not come to power in Germany, from whom a huge number of scientists and technical specialists escaped abroad and, moreover, they did not put their scientists and designers in droves in droves ..
      1. snek
        +1
        27 March 2012 13: 14
        Scientists also fled from the Third Reich. True, in our homeland the question was not in the initial status (nobles), but in the national status (mainly Jews). And this was reflected, in particular, in the creation of nuclear weapons. As for the revival after the Versailles peace, it seems to me that the Germans were driven by a feeling (somewhat justified) of the injustice of this world and a desire to take revenge. When such powerful nations span entire nations, the effect is impressive.
      2. Atlon
        +1
        27 March 2012 14: 16
        Quote: Krilion
        probably because the Bolsheviks did not come to power in Germany, from whom a huge number of scientists and technical specialists escaped abroad and, moreover, they did not put their scientists and designers in droves in droves ..

        When Sikorsky showed his first operating helicopter to the leadership of the Red Army, the "comrade" Voroshilov said something like: "Why do we need this crap?" And "comrade" Budyonny added: "I have nothing to feed the horses, and you are offering us nonsense here ..."
        Further - everyone knows. Sikorsky left for the United States, where he built the first production helicopter.
        1. snek
          +2
          27 March 2012 14: 22
          Quote: Atlon
          When Sikorsky showed his first operating helicopter to the leadership of the Red Army, the "comrade" Voroshilov said something like: "Why do we need this crap?" And "comrade" Budyonny added: "I have nothing to feed the horses with, but here you are offering us nonsense ..." Further - everyone knows. Sikorsky left for the United States, where he built the first serial helicopter.

          You either confuse something or take information from the wrong sources. Firstly, Sikorsky left for a few days (there is literally about a week difference) before the appearance of such an organization as the Red Army. Secondly, at that time he was not involved in helicopters - the basis of his activity was heavy aircraft, in particular, Ilya Muromets. He returned to helicopters only in the states, and then not immediately.
          1. Atlon
            0
            27 March 2012 16: 41
            It may have messed up with the Red Army (by the timing of its creation), but it is known for certain that the first helicopter was built precisely in Russia. And he did not impress Voroshilov with Budyonny, who were of great weight in making such decisions. He left to look for money to build his helicopter in America.
            1. snek
              +1
              27 March 2012 17: 17
              Quote: Atlon
              The first helicopter was built in Russia. And he did not impress Voroshilov with Budyonny

              You mean the helicopter of Alexei Cheremukhin, who really introduced the army helicopter back in the 32nd year, but he was really abandoned. But Sikorsky left not because they did not want to build a helicopter, but because there was information that they wanted to shoot him as a supporter of the tsarist regime. He was warned in time and managed to escape.
            2. Jaguar
              0
              27 March 2012 22: 51
              Quote: Atlon
              but it is known for certain that the first helicopter was built in Russia

              The first real flying helicopters were built in France.

              The first person to fly in a helicopter was the French bicycle manufacturer Paul Cornu. On November 13, 1907, he built a helicopter, lifting it vertically into the air to a height of 50 cm and sagging in the air for 20 seconds. The main achievement of Cornu was an attempt to make the helicopter manageable (one cannot say the truth that this attempt was a complete success), for which the inventor installed special surfaces under the screws, which, reflecting the air flow from the screws, gave the device a certain margin of maneuverability. But this helicopter was also poorly controlled.
              In Russia, B.N. Yuriev invented the swashplate
            3. 0
              April 3 2012 03: 22
              At that time, the Red Army used Kamov autogyros, a plant was being built for their wide production, it was planned to use them as part of fur corps to support tanks. They were used in the fight against the Basmachs, in the Winter War as assault medical personnel and fire spotters. Armament 3 machine guns and RS (nurses) speed up to 250 km / h .... raw helicopters were simply not needed, and in America they were promoted only in the Korean War.By the way, modern-type helicopters were in service with the Luftwaffe and almost no one did anything special he doesn't know about it ... By the way, the very first gyroplane of Kamov and Skryzhinsky was called "helicopter" and they introduced this word into everyday life
        2. vylvyn
          0
          29 March 2012 01: 36
          And Budyonny fed the horses to the end of his days. And the country was already flying into space at full speed.
          1. 0
            April 3 2012 03: 32
            The price of his horses in the Western market reached up to $ 50 in those prices per head
    2. 0
      27 March 2012 13: 16
      Quote: ward
      why Germany from the country crushed by the Versailles world ... in such a very short time achieved such progress ...
      Because the West deliberately "sharpened" Germany against the USSR and deliberately turned a blind eye to all violations of the prohibitions of the Treaty of Versailles.
    3. SenyaYa
      0
      27 March 2012 20: 27
      Because Hitler got a bunch of loans ... in all countries .. and for that bunch of money he started building a bunch of weapons, thereby lowering unemployment, building excellent roads in all of Germany, and raising major arms manufacturing companies such as KRUPP, MAN, Mercedes -bens, BMW, KLAUS muffey, Mauser, Messerschmitt, RAYNMETALBORZING, etc., etc. again, cooperation with the USSR has paid off !! m yes the Germans, by the way, had the largest machine park in the world !! ...
    4. +2
      17 May 2014 01: 09
      Quote: ward
      But the question is ... why Germany from the country crushed by the Versailles world ... in such a very short time achieved such progress
      Yes, because Versailles they are very fast .... that .... well, of course. And those who set conditions for them at Versailles favorably pretended that nothing was happening, even encouraged.
  5. patriot2
    +1
    27 March 2012 11: 24
    Interesting article. The shuttles were created on the basis of German engineering, and our Burans completed this idea without fully unfolding it. Sorry. And the idea of ​​a rebound trajectory from the atmosphere is very interesting. How many g overloads will the crew have to test, who counted? R&D is also necessary for us. Maybe here, something necessary is buried. laughing
    1. snek
      0
      27 March 2012 13: 22
      Quote: patriot2
      Shuttles were created based on German engineering

      Well, judging by the number of engineers taken out by the states, it is quite possible that the carriers of this very "German engineering cape" themselves made a significant contribution to the construction of shuttles.
      Quote: patriot2
      and our Burans - completed this thought

      Buran and shuttle, despite the external similarity, are fundamentally different cars. Moreover, the idea is far from complete, but lives in such projects as skylon.
      Quote: patriot2
      How many g overloads will the crew have to test, who counted?

      There are a lot of things unforgiven there, for example, the thermal insulation necessary to enter the dense layers of the atmosphere.
  6. +3
    27 March 2012 11: 46
    Quote: snek
    then the result in the form of dropping a few bombs (non-nuclear) looks simply ridiculous.

    Quote: snek
    then the result in the form of dropping a few bombs (non-nuclear) looks simply ridiculous.


    I do not agree. Even for the present, this does not look ridiculous. Especially in relation to those countries that on their territory did not experience all the consequences of hostilities in full.
    1. snek
      -1
      27 March 2012 13: 17
      As the experience of the same Second World War showed, the strategic bombing of cities did not likely suppress the spirit of the nation, but unite it. An example of this is actually the Germans and the British.
  7. Igorboss16
    -1
    27 March 2012 12: 09
    Of course, with such fantastic developments rocket science began, but now it’s easier to shoot a rocket than to launch such a ship, but in those days there simply weren’t such control systems, and it’s not known what the appearance of such an orbital bomber would have turned out for us since it would have been shot down at that time just impossible
    1. +2
      17 May 2014 01: 13
      Quote: Igorboss16
      and it is not known what else the appearance of such an orbital bomber would have turned out for us, since it would have been simply impossible to bring down it at that time
      What is the use of discussing than knocking down what could not fly. Basically. As was later checked, Senger’s calculations turned out to be erroneous, his brainchild could hardly take off.
  8. -1
    27 March 2012 12: 24
    and at the top of the trajectory you can launch a satellite,
    and dropping a few bombs doesn't look ridiculously moral
    if the Germans started bombing the United States in the year 1943, then the Allies would have landed earlier, the war ended earlier and our losses would have been hundreds of thousands of lives less.
    1. +2
      17 May 2014 01: 16
      Quote: vanya
      and at the top of the trajectory you can launch a satellite,
      And also ten satellites, one hundred rockets and one small annihilation bomb. Do you seriously think that everything that is drawn can work, even confirmed by calculations, the correctness of which no one but the author guarantees?
  9. buk-m1
    +1
    27 March 2012 13: 14
    [quote = Krilion] it is also necessary to take into account that they managed to realize many of their fantasies in existing samples and arrange their production ... [/ quot
    And in such quantities and in a short time (submarines). Which then were in service with us.
  10. patriot2
    0
    27 March 2012 14: 38
    Ion Coaelung,
    Do not think that everything is lost. The Yankees dragged themselves and brought some of this to mind, but not all.
  11. Kamaz
    0
    27 March 2012 15: 06
    Very interesting idea about ricocheting! I had an idea about creating an ultra-high ekranoplan, where instead of an air dynamic pillow there will be dense layers of the exosphere! I wonder what happens ...
    1. 0
      27 March 2012 18: 52
      Air is not water, the screen effect can be obtained at ultrahigh speeds, and these are new materials, new technologies, etc. Can you imagine how to manage this process? Manually - in any case it’s excluded ... I think so.
    2. +2
      17 May 2014 01: 18
      Quote: Kamaz
      Very interesting idea about ricocheting!
      Purely speculative. I'm not even talking about heating and other delights of such a flight. I don't think any person would have endured such a thing, even if this "locomotive" had taken off from its rail.
  12. SenyaYa
    +4
    27 March 2012 20: 42
    The Germans are generally good fellows .. such a technical breakthrough in such a short time ... the further you study this issue, the more you begin to believe in the usefulness of ANANERBE ... maybe otherworldly forces intervened ??? / ..... because such a technical breakthrough is simply impossible ... The Nazis revealed to the world: THE FIRST WORLD BALLIST ROCKET, THE WORLD'S FIRST CONTROLLED AIR BOMB, THE WORLD'S FIRST FIRST ASSEMBLY (WITH INTERMEDIATE WINDOW CARTRIDGE, INTERVIEW AND INTERVIEW). BOMBERS, THE WORLD'S FIRST NIGHT VISION DEVICE, THE WORLD'S FIRST REAL SUBMARINE (and not the diving, BOATS OF THE XXI SERIES with an underwater speed of 17 knots !! NOW FROM ALLIES ALL THESE WERE !!!)
    1. +1
      27 March 2012 22: 38
      Well, given that after the October Revolution, the Germans lured the lion's share of Russian engineers. It was an explosive mixture: German thoroughness and the Russian flight of fantasy, and then there is nothing surprising in such a technical breakthrough.
    2. 0
      28 March 2012 10: 22
      Quote: SenyaYA
      WORLD'S FIRST FIRST STORM RIFLE (WITH INTERMEDIATE CARTRIDGE .... between a pistol and a rifle).

      Extra brackets, the first assault was made before World War I and not in Germany wink
  13. Oleg0705
    0
    28 March 2012 17: 56
    The Third Reich lasted only 12 years, collapsing under the blows of the Allied forces.


    Rather, it will be the Third Reich that collapsed under the blow of the Soviet troops "allies" were poorly noted in those events, but now it turns out, so they almost alone defeated the Nazis, for example, watch their films about those events.
    We have only two allies: our army and navy.
  14. Opertak
    -1
    28 March 2012 18: 29
    The article was neglected as complete nonsense, starting with a heading that did not correspond to historical reality - there was no miracle, and ending with content that distorted the real state of affairs.
    1. There have never been any brilliant designers in Germany. More precisely, they may have been, but they died unknown, because in Germany it was always very bad with the brains of the leadership - it did not know how to set CORRECT goals. Therefore, they did good things, but purely utilitarian, and great technical inventions always started out of time, and therefore they could never bring them to mind.
    2. But the main thing is not even that. The main trouble of the Germans at all stages of their development is that they are extremely weak technologists. This applies to everything. Whatever was born in the minds of designers, technologies are needed for their implementation, and here the Germans have a complete J. Example: for 5 (FIVE !!!) years they tried to make our T-34, since it was better than any of their tanks, but it screwed up so.
    3. When the "genius" Zenger was still getting his diapers dirty, Tsiolkovsky had already put forward the idea of ​​a "space train", which underlies ALL currently operating space systems. While Zenger was solving the purely stupid task of delivering several tons of TNT through Space, ours were already designing a space station - an example in the figure.
    1. +1
      28 March 2012 22: 47
      Well, about technology, here you can argue a bit, but somehow lazy laughing
      And as for who came up with what, it is important not who first thought, but who first implemented it in metal (wood, paper .... underline what is necessary wink )
      It’s like a parachute, they came up with, they say, Leonardo da Vinci in the 15th century, and the first normal parachute jump, EMNIP, was in the 18th century ...
      anyway, plus good
      1. vylvyn
        -2
        29 March 2012 02: 32
        Exactly. Gunpowder was invented by the Chinese, and the gun - by the Europeans. Yes, Leonardo also invented the first tank, and the British rolled out a real model.

        I believe that the Germans wanted to create the first nuclear missile. Such a powerful booster block and a rocket with a solid marching engine is an attempt to lift into the air something very heavy than the nuclear charge developed by German physicists at that time. Hitler had to first bring England to its knees and make it surrender. A couple of such canopies could easily fly to England and make Hiroshima and Nagasaki there. Yes, and in Moscow it was possible to fuck.
        1. +2
          17 May 2014 01: 24
          vylvynYour ignorance in matters of nuclear technology and the history of the development of nuclear weapons is simply amazing. Maybe you want to glorify the "gloomy Teutonic genius" to such an extent that it interferes with sleep, but this will hardly change reality. And from nuclear weapons. and they were farther from intercontinental missiles than they were from Alpha Centauri. Well, and your passage about
          Hitler had to first bring England to its knees
          and in general it is striking: what does England have to do with it if we are talking about "space weapons"? Include logic at least sometimes.
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    20 July 2012 19: 16
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    20 July 2012 19: 43
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