Robots will appear in the Russian army

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Robots will appear in the Russian army

The new Russian-made tank, which the designers will create in the near future on the basis of Armata’s heavy armored platform, will be equipped with a remote-controlled digital gun. According to many experts, the appearance of such a gun in the Russian armed forces will be able to bring our country closer to the development and creation of autonomous tanks-robots.

According to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex (MIC), the tank will have a fully digital control system. The armor of the tank, through which no external signal can pass, will be able to protect communication channels from suppression and interception. In this multi-layer protection - "a capsule of armor and composites" - will separate the crew of the tank from the ammunition and from the compartment with fuel. It is expected that such protection will be able to withstand a direct hit from the guns of various types of modern tanks.

According to expert Viktor Murakhovsky, who is the editor-in-chief of Arsenal magazine, the appearance of vehicles with a new combat platform will radically change the structure of the ground forces itself, the military will have to look for new tactics. Murakhovsky notes that these machines, created on the basis of "Almaty", will act more confidently at the forefront - this also applies to boom machines, and launchers of demining systems, and to heavy flamethrower systems.

According to the expert, such tanks will be much more “tenacious” than the existing models, and this means that to perform the same tasks, new tanks need less. The Russian army suffices two thousand such machines. Murakhovsky does not exclude that after the new Armata appears in the Russian army, the T-80, T-90 and T-72 tanks, which are now actively undergoing the modernization process, will be sent to the storage bases.

Konstantin Sivkov, Doctor of Military Sciences, as well as the First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, predicts an approaching era of technology that will be completely autonomous and robotic. According to Sivkov, the appearance of an unmanned cannon will bring Russia closer to the moment when a fully autonomous tank is created that can be controlled remotely or that will hit the target in automatic mode.

Sivkov said that tanks-robots will act on the front line, which is the most dangerous, and after them will go manned vehicles with crews who will be engaged in solving complex problems. At the same time, he added that the USSR was developing such tanks, but they could not be realized due to the collapse of the state.

The Russian Ministry of Defense promises that deliveries of the new tank to Russian troops will begin in 2015. See the car itself "in the metal" can be earlier.
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  1. +42
    26 March 2012 19: 24
    The dream of a tanker! The crew of the tank will remain alive in any scenario
    1. +19
      26 March 2012 19: 42
      Horizons are opening up! There is no crew, no life support systems! How much space is freed up for weapons and protective equipment!
    2. +14
      26 March 2012 19: 42
      It’s really a dream ... It’s possible to call such computer scientists only tankers with a stretch ... Such a tank will save many lives, which means it must be ...
      1. +24
        26 March 2012 19: 58
        It’s interesting, but if it is undermined by a mine, will it stretch its own bast shoes?
        If the cameras are damaged, even if duplicated several times, what will happen?
        What will be the cost? The maximum distance between the CP and the tank, the vulnerability issues of the CP itself. Will it be on one tank or several, and if the defeat of the CP does not lead to the stop of several tanks.
        Reaction time, noise immunity.

        There are many questions.
        1. FreZZZeR
          +17
          26 March 2012 20: 21
          Kars, well done, all questions on the case.
          Perhaps now will not pass.
          Everything must be taken into account and done.
          No need to shout "Hurray!" and "Forward, for the Motherland!", early. The platform has been tested, and all the super-duper possibilities have already been described.
          You can pass, we know you.

          But the material about the tanks-robots is said in the distant future, and all the same guys of short stature with fire in their eyes and a diesel engine in their hearts will ride in the "Armata")))) Thanks to them for everything: Prokhorovka, Berlin, the gorges of Afgan and Chechnya ...
        2. +5
          26 March 2012 22: 46
          Kars, in the cases listed above (especially when a mine is detonated) the tank transforms and goes on foot laughing or I just saw enough transformers fool Well, that's me ...
          but in general it would be very interesting: for example, our tanker is sitting somewhere in an "unkillable capsule", connected by consciousness to the car and controlling the tank only with the help of thought, and, if necessary, transforms into an armored soldier ... what tasks can be solved immediately !!! Delirium - you say, but someone on the planet is already seriously thinking about it !!! Guess who...
          I’m all about the need to develop, invent everything new and in no case keep up! I hope the plans described in the article will come true very soon !!!
          1. +6
            26 March 2012 23: 47
            Sure, not a problem
    3. +11
      26 March 2012 19: 45
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      The crew of the tank will remain alive in any scenario

      Dmitry, salute. The idea of ​​an armored capsule for crews in design circles has been around for a long time (such a formula was already laid down in the T-95) and not only in Russia. But, apparently, ours are ahead of the competition and not by the head, but by the whole building!
      1. +5
        26 March 2012 20: 43
        Greetings Valery. That's the trick, the armored capsule becomes unnecessary by definition, even the tower in the usual sense is not needed, just a little tukel! Dimensions and weight are reduced, and protection can be increased revolutionary!
      2. 0
        26 March 2012 23: 36
        And the most interesting thing is that it is not so difficult. All that is needed is will, and there are plenty of bright goals in Russia. I speak as a specialist in the field of automated systems and robotics. Finally, ripe in order to tackle this. Tank - android is no longer science fiction, but only the realization of what has long been accumulated.
      3. Wawan
        +1
        27 March 2012 11: 43
        Your words to God in the ears. BUT there are several questions:
        1. What plants will produce the components of this tank?
        2. On which machines to make parts?
        3. Where to get skilled workers?
    4. +3
      26 March 2012 20: 31
      Then the tankers will cease to be tankers. There will be remote operators of combat vehicles. The spirit of the solarium will disappear.
    5. VAF
      VAF
      0
      26 March 2012 20: 53
      Quote: Dmitriy69
      The dream of a tanker!


      Tankmen, enlighten !!

      As I understand from the article, it all comes down to automating the process of controlling and firing?

      And the direct control of the tank, and other issues related to crew life support systems!

      After all, "robot" is the future, but now how, eh?

      And again this "Taburetkinskaya" formula, that 2000 tanks will be enough ???
      1. +1
        26 March 2012 21: 37
        We are talking about machines designed for the front line of attack ... An automatic system for searching, evaluating, determining ownership and destroying targets ... all this works in automatic mode ... In addition, active systems for protecting cars from the enemy ... Control must be carried out either by radio or by pre-arranged program ...
        Such vehicles will perfectly pass the front line of defense and fulfill the main task .. Normal vehicles will go to the second tier, which will solve more complex tasks of destroying hidden firing points and fortifications ...
        The lack of crew will reduce the volume of vehicles and (or) increase firepower ... For example, the 130 gun, or even the 140 mm, is quite real ...
        1. +1
          26 March 2012 22: 02
          The entire experience of wars has shown that armored vehicles should be in close cooperation with their infantry. A fully automated tank should, in theory, be highly efficient, but even with active defense systems it would be problematic to overcome a previously fortified line with engineering barriers and saturated with manual anti-personnel weapons. also artillery support.
          But as always, the main issue is finance.
        2. Alexey Prikazchikov
          +1
          26 March 2012 22: 36
          The pink dream is to put such electronics so that the fighter is not inferior so that all the info in real time can be received and the crew of 2 people was, but it’s not for 4 tanks.
    6. +1
      26 March 2012 21: 43
      Then there will be another problem: radio-electronic interception.
      1. 0
        26 March 2012 22: 01
        Quote: RedDragoN
        Then there will be another problem: radio-electronic interception.

        Well, EW and "Armata" seem to be hits of our site in recent days.
        Designers understand this. There are solutions. What exactly will be seen.
        1. 0
          26 March 2012 23: 06
          What to do, see the next war will be with drones and electronic warfare.
      2. OilGas2011
        +2
        27 March 2012 01: 42
        With the start of the operation in Iraq, the 209th EW squadron was transferred to the Nimitz nuclear carrier operating in the Persian Gulf. During the intervention, the squadron carried out flights to the location cover of strike groups over the territory of Iraq.
        The United States had complete air superiority thanks to electronic warfare, which suppressed almost all of Iraq's air defense.
    7. Slayer
      +1
      26 March 2012 23: 14
      I’m interested in something else, how they are going to create new alloys for armor with our destroyed metallurgy, because this is a dofiga business. I myself know the metallurgy and everything from the inside, in Russia there simply are no such plants and equipment for them that can be engaged in the development and production of the latest alloys. ...
      1. Mr.Advokat
        +1
        27 March 2012 06: 41
        Slayer,
        I agree. This is very worrying, since a lot of time can pass from plans to deeds, much more than they say now.
    8. +2
      27 March 2012 00: 44
      The main thing is that a simple enemy hacker does not intercept him, otherwise the whole power of this miracle will trample on us. Then you have to create detachments of combat programmers: Z.A.D.R.O.T. fellow
      1. Mr.Advokat
        0
        27 March 2012 06: 42
        as with the yusovskoy drone was - intercepted and put in Iran.
    9. schta
      +1
      27 March 2012 09: 40
      This material is only a digital gun in an uninhabited tower. What kind of robots ?????

      The scheme is the same as that of the receiver and missile defense. Comp found the target, calculated the most likely trajectory. The operator pressed the button, and the shell fired with insane passion with an ardent love for the specified target.

      And where are the robotic tanks here?
  2. +4
    26 March 2012 19: 27
    But the secrets of the future tank are revealed, well, it’s like a cyborg! Hm! Interesting wisdom of our gunsmiths. This, even the Americans in their blockbusters do not imagine!
    1. +6
      26 March 2012 19: 40
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Interesting wisdom of our gunsmiths

      The thought of designers rushing with the power of the tank - stop the hell! good
      1. +6
        26 March 2012 19: 45
        Quote: esaul
        horseradish

        This growth is, gentlemen moderators, do not think anything bad laughing
      2. +3
        26 March 2012 19: 48
        That's what’s interesting. Amers like that in action movies, but today we don’t have a portotype yet, it’s really breathtaking when this is one thing in the film, but in reality it’s a completely different feeling!
        1. +3
          26 March 2012 20: 00
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          but in reality it’s a completely different feeling!

          Yes, when half a ton of iron rushing at you and the earth trembles underfoot, the sensations are unforgettable!
          1. +8
            26 March 2012 20: 05
            Complementing your comment, I want to say: not just half a hundred tons of iron, but (possibly) artificial intelligence winked rides fast and often swears! laughing
            1. +1
              26 March 2012 20: 19
              I didn’t think about cursing artificial intelligence - the thing is really scary. laughing
              otherwise I agree with Kars Today, 19:58
        2. Igorboss16
          0
          26 March 2012 22: 03
          estimate the faces of the amers who learned about the appearance of such armada of tanks wassat
      3. +3
        26 March 2012 22: 20
        Quote: esaul
        The thought of designers rushing with the power of the tank - stop the hell!

        After creating a digital tank-robot armament control system, this is a logical next step.

        I will not give links since information received orally from a person associated with the defense industry. So he argued that with his own eyes several years ago he had seen working models of Russian combat robots. I want to believe it. In any case, there is nothing impossible.
    2. Sergh
      +6
      26 March 2012 19: 51
      For fears, something, even goosebumps. Remote is a serious casting, over the Pacific river they can fall from such information and with stilt.
    3. +1
      26 March 2012 21: 00
      And here you are wrong. Aircraft - drones are already there, so why do tanks - drones appear?
  3. Sarus
    +7
    26 March 2012 19: 29
    I will be very glad if all this is realized ..
    Firstly, such tanks are able to create parity for the PLA fleet of tanks.
    Unless of course our MO does not sell them a couple of pieces ..
    But seriously, it’s really nice that our military-industrial complex began to do R&D ..
    Moreover, autonomous tanks have no armies yet ...
    Then you can autonomous underwater vehicles ...
    And the plus is that Russian youth is one of the strongest in e-sports in the world ... So there is someone then to chase enemies around the battlefield
    1. +3
      26 March 2012 19: 45
      Quote: Sarus
      I will be very glad if all this is realized
      Such machines based on 64 and 72 were created back in the USSR .. But it wasn’t enough brains to bring to mind ... and powerful computers ... The option with one or two fighters was already in the gland ... So the tanker's dream will be created in the coming 5-10 years for sure ...
  4. patriot2
    +4
    26 March 2012 19: 30
    A car will be good, but the main thing is to distinguish between your own and others and be protected from perprogramming (so that it does not lead a battle with your own). The task is difficult, but feasible. Then in a tank battle she will not be equal. smile
    1. +5
      26 March 2012 19: 35
      According to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex (MIC), the tank will have a fully digital control system.


      And how much negativity spills out on the French MBT Leclerc at the mention of his electronic systems.


      And about the autonomy of the tanks --- the main thing is that the evil hackers would not get to them.
    2. +11
      26 March 2012 19: 50
      Any car, no matter how good it may never be able to replace the tank in the classic version, with a crew ... The robot is good at the front end, where the probability of destruction is simply 100% ... And the second echelon, alas, people will go ... Robots A soldier cannot be created simply because a computer, even the most perfect one, will be inferior to a person ... Calculating all the options is still more difficult than seeing the main thing right away
      1. +5
        26 March 2012 20: 50
        Domocles, plus and plus ....
        1. +1
          26 March 2012 22: 11
          vorobey,
          I already thought we were already written off, thanks Domocles, recalled! Yes
      2. Sasha36543
        -1
        26 March 2012 23: 16
        And what does it mean never? The first computers appeared a few decades ago, and who could have imagined then that the computer program would win against the world chess champion.

        And in what way is a robot inferior to man? The robot does not sleep, does not get tired, is not afraid, does not panic, does not suffocate from smoke, does not drink, does not eat, etc. Even now, there is enough computing power to control equipment in excess. It remains only to improve the software so that the computer can effectively control the tank in battle ... This is a matter of time.
  5. Novosibirsky
    +7
    26 March 2012 19: 31
    SkyNet attacks !!! Well, just deja vu appeared by the end of the article, I've already seen it! In The Terminator! Rise of the Machines! laughing
    But this is generally enchanting: "Murakhovsky does not exclude that after the new Armata appears in the Russian army, the T-80, T-90 and T-72 tanks, which are now actively undergoing the modernization process, will be sent to storage bases." Murakhovsky, what is the movie called? !!
    1. sergskak
      +2
      26 March 2012 22: 09
      I welcome you. And this article also reminded me of Vasyuki, who surprisingly turn into new Vasyuki.
      1. Novosibirsky
        0
        26 March 2012 22: 23
        Quote: sergskak
        Greetings

        Hello.
        Quote: sergskak
        And also this article reminded me of Vasyuki, who surprisingly turn into new Vasyuki.

        Yeah ... Ostap was an incorrigible romantic .., a freemason and a free artist ...
        He earned only a little more than 16 rubles at his International Chess Tournament ... A child ... compared to the "storytellers" of the present ...
        1. sergskak
          +1
          26 March 2012 22: 30
          The platform is still in the project, and there are already dreams of a bright future. I won’t be surprised if tomorrow they say that it will fly to other planets.
          1. Novosibirsky
            -1
            26 March 2012 22: 47
            Quote: sergskak
            I won’t be surprised if they say tomorrow that he will fly to other planets.

            What is there to fly? !! Teleport through the space-time continuum!

            1. sergskak
              0
              26 March 2012 22: 52
              Maybe this is not the limit. laughing We'll see.
  6. lars
    +6
    26 March 2012 19: 31
    All the same, in addition to external factors affecting the fire control electronics, there may be internal malfunctions - technology is technology. It seems that the robotic version - with the possibility of manual control is more functional for combat vehicles of this type.
    1. +1
      26 March 2012 21: 47
      I don’t agree ... The combined control system will force us to return the life support system, PAZ system, and indeed return the car to the original version .. We will lose volumes without winning anything .. The caliber of the gun will remain the same, the quantity of ammunition, too, and the size of the machine itself will be such as now .. then why should I fence the garden?
      The machine is needed to perform specific tasks in the offensive (breakthrough of the front line) and in defense (covering the withdrawal of troops with subsequent self-destruction, or the functions of an automated bunker
  7. +2
    26 March 2012 19: 36
    There’s already a tank robot based on Almaty. I wanted to read the entire list created on the basis of this platform, otherwise it brings information every day and it’s not clear ... where is the truth? Where are the inventions of the log lamers!
    1. +4
      26 March 2012 19: 48
      APASUS,
      Look, buddy, a brief reference ------- The unified heavy platform of the Armata cipher [1] (GBTU Index - Object 198) is a promising fourth-generation Russian heavy tracked platform developed by Uralvagonzavod from 2009-2010 (it is often referred to in the press as "Armada").

      It is planned to create a main battle tank, an infantry fighting vehicle, a heavy armored personnel carrier, a tank support combat vehicle, an armored recovery and recovery vehicle, a chassis for self-propelled artillery based on the Unified heavy Armata cipher platform, [1]

      In early 2012, it was announced that Uralvagonzavod would create the first Armata tank prototype by 2013 [2]. It is assumed that the tank will have a digital cannon with remote control, which the crew will control from an isolated armored capsule, which can withstand a direct hit from all types of modern tanks. The representative of Uralvagonzavod said that the supply of the tank to the troops should begin in 2015 [3].
      And in addition - a link ---- http://alternathistory.org.ua/budushchee-bronetankovykh-voisk-rossii-tanki-armat
      a-armada
      1. Sergh
        +3
        26 March 2012 19: 55
        Yeah, I definitely said the other day, like still small wings and low-low to Alaska, so that the radar would not notice ...
    2. +4
      26 March 2012 19: 53
      laughing
      Quote: APASUS
      I wanted to read the entire list created on the basis of this platform.
      Almost all ground vehicles ... But there will be a snag with airplanes ... Sukhoi Design Bureau refused to transfer SU-No% to this platform laughing
      1. +2
        26 March 2012 20: 03
        domokl,
        I confirm -
        Quote: Sergh
        Yeah, I definitely said the other day, like still small wings and low-low to Alaska, so that the radar would not notice ...

        Therefore, Seryoga is a direct road to the "Uralvagon" design bureau by the Deputy of the Civil Code for Innovations laughing
        1. +1
          26 March 2012 22: 03
          Quote: domokl
          Almost all ground vehicles ... But there will be a snag with airplanes ... Sukhoi Design Bureau refused to transfer SU-No% to this platform

          Yeah, it means a tank, an excavator and a small meat grinder on one platform!
  8. YARY
    +1
    26 March 2012 19: 39
    Without a doubt, the era of distance warfare is getting closer. Only a fool can see the "benefits" of such technical solutions.
    But how soon this will happen can be imagined, although the first signs of this decision were children's toys about 40 years ago.
    But now there is an UAV in the Air Force, and this is the first step towards new solutions on the ground.
  9. panzer
    +1
    26 March 2012 19: 41
    Even a robot tank, not to mention the "Armata", requires control. We need trained crews who can be trusted with this car. Conscripts will not work, so you need to lure specialists.
    1. +1
      26 March 2012 20: 08
      And you go to the game club there are such "specialists" sitting ... smile
      1. +1
        26 March 2012 22: 27
        Yeah! to look at WoT, who has a better stat, and those to call laughing
  10. +3
    26 March 2012 19: 41
    The idea of ​​a robot tank is not new. But the good news is that someone is pushing such ideas. In the world there are only 3 scientific schools - French, English and RUSSIAN. By the way, American, Japanese or Chinese does not exist. So, I have no doubt in implementing such an idea. Give only money, and our bright heads will not fail.
  11. Rezun
    +2
    26 March 2012 19: 50
    The first tankless tanks were tested at the end of the 30s.
    were broadcast on the radio (documentary series "Striking Force").
  12. Bat1stuta
    +4
    26 March 2012 19: 50
    I imagine such koloboks are being rolled out. figs you break, rod on you. it seems to be necessary to beat them, but at the same time, while you beat them, the rest of the Army is already approaching .. what to do ?! belay LTD! I know! in the style of Georgians in 2008, learning to run sprinting, throwing all the weapons and equipment. and what? while they will collect, you can escape ... good lol laughing
  13. +6
    26 March 2012 19: 51
    After the nuclear "Mistrals", space strike aircraft carriers, this is for our "combat" generals, especially "Heroes" and the military writing fraternity, like two fingers .... They smoke together there, or what !? lol
    1. +3
      26 March 2012 21: 04
      Nice to read a sober thought. By the way, the "heroes" will control the robots in a network-centric manner directly from the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense, so the troops can be reduced to save money.
  14. +6
    26 March 2012 19: 54
    Pancake. I was already tired of drinking for a new car. The most interesting thing that I read and wonder. The more I drink, the more interesting the car.

    Will only our type of military from the ministry of the type of defense develop new tactics, or will they reject the car due to the fact that it again will not satisfy the conditions of modern combat.

    Consider the title; "The RF Ministry of Defense refuses to adopt the Armata due to the lack of a worthy opponent."
    1. +2
      26 March 2012 20: 05
      Quote: vorobey
      Pancake. I'm already tired of drinking a new car

      Sho !!! And again - "again" !!! drinks
  15. +10
    26 March 2012 20: 09
    Surely Armata will become a breakthrough in relation to the existing armored vehicles, but this is a complete shapkozakidnost - to say that Russia will have enough 2000 units - as "the tank will become more tenacious. F furnace of such experts. They are always preparing for the war that has already passed (apparently with Georgia). Mukharovsky did not think that the means of attack were being improved, and yes, the usual calculation of the ratio of the BTT per 1 km of the front. Russia has 22000 km of land borders, of which 4300 km with China. The impression is that such a pancake "experts to order" have already begun to shape public opinion for the complete collapse of the historically strongest component of the ground forces. Somehow it does not fit with common sense that 2000 supertanks will replace 10, in principle, leveled 000k and 72. We must not forget that the tank is primarily the main means of supporting the infantry, and in the second tank, and then as a consequence of the first.
    1. chuklandia
      +1
      26 March 2012 22: 54
      avdkrd, +500. Well, finally, at least someone spoke out competently and logically. And then, as you usually look at the comments on articles on topwar.ru - all some kind of enthusiastic schoolchildren (or kindergarteners?) Write who derive “knowledge” from the “Striking Force” about military equipment.
    2. S_mirnov
      +1
      26 March 2012 23: 56
      It's nice to meet adequately minded people.
  16. +2
    26 March 2012 20: 10
    Oh, laughing BOTS WAKE UP! I ALREADY THINKED WHAT YOU HAVE LOST?
    1. +2
      26 March 2012 20: 22
      laughing Ha ... They will die out only with the site ... Now we will read the nonsense about the occupation power in Russia and the nonsense of the Russian media ... Without them it is impossible ... It's like mandatory fleas for a stray dog laughing
    2. +3
      26 March 2012 20: 23
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      OH BOTS WAKE UP! I ALREADY THINKED YOU ARE OUT

      Come on, they have one joy in life - to instruct everyone in the minuses. It would be better to regret the wretched.
  17. +4
    26 March 2012 20: 22
    Armata armata. Only audible. At least once in the iron showed it?
    1. S_mirnov
      +1
      26 March 2012 23: 54
      dare not doubt the bright future of the Russian army! Forgot who our commander in chief!
  18. +4
    26 March 2012 20: 50
    Remote "tankers" should be selected from among the registered users of the tankionline.com computer game. In this regard, everyone urgently needs to start playing tanks! And there are soooo arrows-mechanics hollowing that "Mama do not cry"!
    1. +1
      27 March 2012 15: 21
      I'm afraid they won't fight too much. I saw these "tankers" ... They are as far away from real tank aces as they are from Paris to Dakar across the Sahara ... laughing
  19. +2
    26 March 2012 20: 52
    Sergh,
    Multilateral MBT. Plus! good Still, at the Uralvagonzavod they taught him to move underground. It's a joke. And again, good news - "Armata" will take care of its crew. And what could be more precious than people's lives ?!
  20. +6
    26 March 2012 21: 04
    Dreams, dreams, dreams .... That's when I hear that Armata began to enter the army, then I will drink for this car, but for now .., by 2015 it is still far away. And by 2020 they can promise to equip the army with cyborgs))
  21. OberSKy
    +1
    26 March 2012 21: 19
    If these are autonomous robotic tanks, then they will be independent, and if they decide that they should be alone and nobody else? They will rise! bully
    1. 0
      26 March 2012 22: 36
      Quote: OberSKy
      If these are autonomous robotic tanks, then they will be independent, and if they decide that they should be alone and nobody else? They will rise!

      Smart weapons and smart things are different. Although without artificial intelligence, the robot can throw magic tricks. In South Africa, the topic of autonomous robotic weapons was closed precisely after such a robot shot its own during exercises.
      On a completely autonomous system, they are now vryatli who decides. Most likely there will be partial autonomy with the control of the system without maintaining a permanent communication channel, but the task will be set by the person.
  22. 0
    26 March 2012 21: 46
    Most importantly, I read somewhere that they will buy 2500)) this is excellent. While the Americans stomp in one place, we are fast moving forward smile
    1. S_mirnov
      -1
      26 March 2012 23: 53
      Go ahead with your IVECO!
      http://www.militarists.ru/?p=4855
  23. +4
    26 March 2012 21: 49
    If you still teach him swear words, there will be a formidable weapon.
  24. perryiht
    +1
    26 March 2012 21: 58
    Everything new is well forgotten old. Also, this trend in technology confirms that fantasies realize their future much more often than scientists.
    1. Novosibirsky
      0
      26 March 2012 22: 31
      Quote: perryiht
      confirms that the vision of the future for science fiction come true much more often than for scientists.

      Perhaps this is one and the same ...
  25. +2
    26 March 2012 22: 09
    hmmm ... Our scientists are great, but will officials be able to bring it all to an end?
    1. Novosibirsky
      +1
      26 March 2012 22: 28
      The axiom of our time! His mother!
    2. S_mirnov
      0
      26 March 2012 23: 50
      Of course not, for officials are stricken with corruption, and no one will roll back money for Russia's prosperity. And there’s no one to punish them at once - everyone is fighting corruption in the lead with Medvedev and GDP laughing
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uHvB9WDHvg&feature=related
  26. -1
    26 March 2012 22: 16
    I was very pleased that flamethrowers were on the list ... I love this thing ... the main thing is that at one time it was very possible to apply ...
  27. 0
    26 March 2012 22: 26
    Tankers smoke nervously on the sidelines! crying
    And I just quit!
  28. sergskak
    0
    26 March 2012 22: 42
    At first I wanted to put a minus to this article, but I thought about this: now there are a lot of proposals on how to use the platform, and let it be! Engineers will choose the best option.
    1. Novosibirsky
      +2
      26 March 2012 22: 52
      laughing laughing laughing
      Yeah, I clearly see that such engineers are sitting at their morning coffee: "Well, guys, we ourselves will develop the tankette of the future, or, as always, will we go to the Military Review?! To the" military ... ", knowledgeable people have already thrown fresh ideas there , choose "!!!
      A curtain.
      1. -3
        26 March 2012 23: 14
        I do not like ? look for another place where you will play as you like and about anything.
        1. Novosibirsky
          +1
          27 March 2012 00: 09
          Rewrite! I and you are not bored. laughing

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SggMG-HIls0
        2. sergskak
          +1
          27 March 2012 01: 09
          Dear olegyurjewitch, you have your opinion and express it. What is described in the article is not a fait accompli, but just a figment of someone’s fantasies (albeit pleasant in appearance). That's when there will be real results of using the platform and when we will be confronted with the fact that it really exists, then we will sing praises, but for now there’s nothing but a grin. Where is the guarantee that this is not just another duck of the Americans in order to laugh at our comments?
  29. +2
    26 March 2012 23: 23
    In small local conflicts, this is really a good help for a cyborg tank! And in a full-scale war, with the use of all arms, I think you can’t do without a crew! Too many factors affect the electronics. From electromagnetic charges exploded over the battlefield to weather conditions!
    So on reflection, I think, tankers will not be without work for a long time. good
  30. suharev-52
    +1
    26 March 2012 23: 23
    For site pessimists. !!! In the 70s of the last century, even when Gorbachev was working on a combine in the Stavropol Territory, we conducted field tests of VERY many automated toys. At that time, the so-called Voenmehi (this is a power frame for a soldier - armored), an automated complex (without a crew) based on the T-72 were tested. and many more interesting things. The United States has just now approached the creation of a power frame for a soldier, but I will not talk about automation. That is why a long-term CIA operation was carried out to introduce the "fifth" column, led by Gorbaty. If not for this pi .... p, the United States has long been divided into banana republics. But with all this trash, they made us. Best regards and more optimism friends.
    1. S_mirnov
      +2
      26 March 2012 23: 42
      Optimism for no reason - should be alarming. Since the time of the hunchbacked traitor, little has changed. And I would be glad to be optimistic, but self-deception is not for me.
  31. Korvin
    0
    26 March 2012 23: 34
    Digital gun !!! Che for x .... !!! ???? Who wrote it ??? !!! Robot tanks e ... at !!! Giant humanoid !!! The article is just for fans of such .I have no words....
  32. S_mirnov
    +4
    26 March 2012 23: 37
    “The Russian army needs two thousand of these machines. Murakhovsky does not exclude that after the new Armata appears in the Russian army, the T-80, T-90 and T-72 tanks, which are now actively undergoing the modernization process, will be sent to the bases storage. "

    In my opinion this is complete heresy! 2000 tanks for the protection of all of Russia is minuscule. Maybe this tank is decades ahead of foreign models? Only enemies of the people can advocate for the reduction of the country's tank fleet. Stalin sent such "experts" to Siberia to remove snow, and he did the right thing!
    ETOGES it is necessary to think of T-80 for conservation, and tankers - to dismiss sad
    And after all, people joyfully shave this news and will smear the snot on the belly with happiness, touching robots on nanotanks! The modernizers are their mother.
  33. +1
    26 March 2012 23: 38
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA

    Here is an article from the wiki, which describes the Soviet "teletanks", if at that time it was possible to create a tank without a crew, I think it should be easier with current technologies.
    Good luck to the designers!
    1. +2
      27 March 2012 00: 03
      And the idea is not bad, to do something like a group AI, the main commander’s tank robot controls the rest of the group of 5-7 tanks. If the commander’s destroy it takes another tank. All this is controlled by man. This technology was tested when creating anti-ship missiles Granite.
      1. OilGas2011
        +3
        27 March 2012 01: 49
        On October 6, 2008, the first modernized tank M1A2 SEP V2 (Systems Enhancement Package Version 2) came out of the gates of the Anniston arsenal. This is the latest and most advanced "digital" modification of the American main battle tank M1 "Abrams". Under the "digital" standard SEP V2, previously released M1A1s are updated. The new machine differs from previous versions with improved color displays for displaying tactical situations, sights with electro-optical and infrared channels, a modified power plant and new communications equipment compatible with infantry and unit networks. In addition, modernization includes the introduction of a number of technologies developed under the Future Combat Systems program.
  34. OilGas2011
    +3
    27 March 2012 01: 56
    For every electronic military novelty, there is a Pham Tuan (Vietnamese pilot on the MiG-21 who shot down the American "flying fortress" - the B-52 bomber) with a simple "digital" grenade :)
  35. eJik
    0
    27 March 2012 01: 56
    Back in the 30-40s, there were tele-tankettes .. I remember there was an article about "Panthers" with a pair of teletankettes (self-propelled charges)

    If the UAV was able to create with such data .. then such a tank is much easier, it’s just hiding
  36. +2
    27 March 2012 02: 00
    Especially interesting is this "fantasy" against the backdrop of collapsed production of the element base. Are they going to build a BIUS for this kerosene gas from the French microcircuits?
  37. Odessa
    +1
    27 March 2012 03: 04
    "... the Doctor of Military Sciences predicts an era of technology that will be fully autonomous and robotic." - this era, if it comes, will not be very soon and completely autonomous battles. The systems will be in single copies, and in such powerful armies as the American or Chinese. The reason is quite simple: as a result of the exit from the global crisis, even if the old to a new technological order (they are trying to launch this process, but within the framework of the current economic model this is impossible and this process is quite long and can take 20 or more years) and further impossibility of deepening the existing system of division of labor (the world is already globalized practically completely), some technological rollback is inevitable (systems and developments are becoming too expensive, and the increase in their efficiency is incommensurably low in comparison with the costs, and eq-e, for example, the same USA is constantly decreasing. For example, the USA is already starting a gradual decrease in military costs, and then, as the crisis deepens, they will decrease even more) and, accordingly, massive robotic systems For example, in the 60s it was considered that the era of aircraft cannons had passed and they were no longer installed on new fighters. Then they realized it. In the 70s they predicted a complete decline of the era of tanks. And what? Boeings with laser installations on board should have been on combat duty. They did not. The project was closed. Etc.
    I personally do not share the views of this analyst on these issues, although work on this topic will certainly be carried out, however, even in a relatively distant future (20 years), fully robotic systems will not replace humans and will not become mass combat units. What will become the future reality - wait and see.
  38. +1
    27 March 2012 08: 24
    Oh, it reminds me of something .....


    Race to rake? what
  39. +1
    27 March 2012 08: 53
    You read the opinions of such experts and are very surprised. There have already been written about the length of the borders and the reduction of tanks to 2000 units. Of course, you can reduce it, but who will fight? In 41, the number of super-tanks of the time T-34 and KV-1 in the Western military districts was about 2000 units. You know the result. Russia on robot tanks has always been ahead of the whole world. Developments were carried out from 30 years. Various models were created, some even released in a small series. By the way, the latest development of the USSR is the T-80 tank with the ability to remotely control from a K-52 helicopter. The project is closed.
  40. +1
    27 March 2012 08: 56
    the main thing is that in this happy future tanks do not find us superfluous
  41. +2
    27 March 2012 09: 32
    By the way, I almost forgot. There is a good domestic cartoon on the topic of robots, based on the book of Sever Gansovsky. "Polygon" is called.
    Here is a reference if you are interested:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNW1rjdZLCM
  42. Sergio
    +1
    27 March 2012 09: 42
    A remotely controlled tank is a dead end, because electronic warfare means nullify all the benefits until a stable noise-protected channel is created. And it is quite difficult to do at the level of modern technology. The capture of the Amer drone by the Iranians is an example.
    And an autonomous tank is generally a distant future.
    1. +2
      27 March 2012 11: 31
      I agree that a radio-controlled tank will be effective only against gangs .. and against a worthy opponent, all radio channels will be muted to zero .. We need to work on artificial intelligence, and the sooner we start the earlier the results, only a fully autonomous robot will be really effective, and here the one whose programmers are more cunning will win .. like a game of chess between two computers ..
      sooner or later the war will be waged only by drones and our goal is not to be left behind in this matter ..
      1. +1
        27 March 2012 21: 33
        Quote: DEfindER
        all radio channels will be muted to zero ..

        Or EMR is the same ... Once and for all electronics kayuk. what
  43. +2
    27 March 2012 15: 39
    "Tank terminators" are still the future. Even if it is foreseeable and not too distant ... And I would like to clarify the next point ...

    As far as I understand, on the basis of "Armata" they are going to make a number of vehicles - MBT, BMP, BTR-T, BMPT, and so on and so forth and so on ...
    Well, with MBT it's clear without words and conversations. About "other and other and other", too, it seems, everything is clear ...
    But why put up a garden with a separate infantry fighting vehicle and a separate BTR-T, if you can make a single vehicle for transporting a rifle (infantry) squad and supporting it in battle ... Moreover, the difference between an infantry fighting vehicle and an armored personnel carrier in a lightly armored class is gradually not leveled and cars get almost the same quality with the only difference in the type of mover ...
    And in principle, such a machine (heavy BMP) can take on the functions of a BMPT (especially since the set of weapons of one or the second is unlikely to vary so coordinately) ...
    That is, in my opinion, two heavily armored vehicles for the battlefield on this base are MBT and BMP-BMPT ...