Media: The government may refuse to raise the retirement age

The newspaper “Vedomosti” published a material in which it was stated that the Russian government was discussing an alternative to raising the retirement age in the country. It is reported that after a long analysis of the possibilities of raising the retirement age, the Cabinet came to the conclusion that such an increase will not lead to positive developments in terms of state budget filling in the short term. The effect can last for many years. At the same time, a possible surge of discontent on the part of the country's population is clearly taken into account.

As an alternative, a variant of the legal norm for raising the minimum work experience, which will allow citizens of the country to receive the so-called old-age retirement pension, is considered.

В the newspaper It is the opinion of one of the political experts, who notes that it is the plan of work experience in the country that can ultimately replace the concept of a “single retirement age”.

One of the interlocutors of "Vedomosti" reports that the existence of a bar of seniority and the level of pension savings attached to it will become an active motivator for the working-age population of the country. It was noted that raising the retirement age directly is politically inexpedient.

A spokesman for the head of government, Natalya Timakova, commenting on the situation, said that the government had not held meetings at the level of the head of the Cabinet on the pension issue in recent months.

Comments

[210ox]

They will increase their working experience ... Our liberals have plenty of methods for covertly raising the retirement age.

[oldseaman1957]

The government may refuse to raise the bar for retirement age

- THIS is a government and it can not ...

[Esoteric]

Media: The government may refuse to raise the retirement age

The only alternative to this in our government is "freezing the size of the pension" ...

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Esoteric

The only alternative to this in our government is "freezing the size of the pension" ...

- And all this is the result of their primitive economic rule, but the answer is the people!

[Scoun]

Quote: oldseaman1957

And all this is the result of their primitive economic rule, but the answer is the people!

Ha ha ha))) You poorly know our government, they are now attracting the attention of the people with chatter about the retirement age, everyone is tense and the government will say once - there will be no increase!
Everyone will breathe calmer and then quietly bomb the law, for example, on the transfer of money from card to card and transfer tax from one individual to another ... (well, type).
The people frown and exhale, gobble up and do not choke because the steam has already lowered.

[AUL]

Judging the actual intentions of the government before the 18 g election is an unproductive exercise. After the election, we’ll see. I think that in any case, pensioners will not remain without a “present”.

[210ox]

The issue of production is not of interest to them. And the increase in labor productivity ... The problems of the blacks of the sheriff are not concerned.

Quote: Esoteric

Media: The government may refuse to raise the retirement age

The only alternative to this in our government is "freezing the size of the pension" ...

[Iline]

Quote: 210ox

The issue of production does not interest them

And they are not interested in the question that the vast majority of the owners of these industries pay wages according to gray schemes. Hence the non-receipt of taxes in due volume to the state treasury.
But why quarrel with uncles with big wallets, it’s better to put the problem on the shoulders of the orphans and the wretched.

[Nevsky_ZU]

I did not understand, that we live in Ukraine and maydauns rule us !?

As an alternative, a variant of the legal norm for raising the minimum work experience, which will allow citizens of the country to receive the so-called old-age retirement pension, is considered.

Ukraine: The adoption of pension reform was one of the requirements for obtaining regular loans from the IMF. Raising the retirement age will not, but increase the minimum required length of service ..

https://www.bfm.ru/news/367118

Glory to Ukraine!

... where is the difference?

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

I did not understand, that we live in Ukraine and maydauns rule us !?

It's just that we speak different languages ​​with the authorities ...

[Reptiloid]

Now the minimum length of service is 5 years. It turns out a small pension and then pay extra to a living wage. Anyway, the bulk of the population works much longer.
Another thing is that design is not always official

[maiman61]

Well, we do not live in Ukraine, but whoever rules us, I agree!

[Vadim237]

You are ruled by those who own a business - the economy rests on business, and the state rests on the economy.

[maiman61]

Nobody rules me! It seems to them that they rule me, absolutely everything seems to them.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

... where is the difference?

Here it is:

867
An increase in the minimum length of service giving the right to an old-age pension is not discussed. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Labor of Russia.
“No changes are being discussed in the pension system,” RIA Novosti reports.

Earlier, the newspaper Vedomosti, citing unnamed federal officials, said that the presidential administration and the government are considering the possibility of increasing the minimum length of service, which gives the right to an old-age pension.

Another journalistic bunch in a puddle.

[The black]

The conversation about raising the bar of seniority (especially six months before the election) is a mulberry, which is needed in order for the "good uncles from the government" to reject it and calm the people .... like we won’t give you our insult .. . ...

[Titsen]

Quote: oldseaman1957

The government may refuse to raise the bar for retirement age
- THIS is a government and it can not ...

You are wrong - they certainly will not be able to reduce the retirement age!

[The black]

It reminds an old story about a man who jumped from a ten-story building and, flying past each floor, he said: “So far so good.”

[siberalt]

First the Kirieshkins, then the Oreshkins, then we don’t know what. One thing is certain - the next elections will be held and prices will rise. And there, and deposits degrease according to the schedule of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation - the Fed. No other way has been invented yet. The system needs to be changed.

[Monster_Fat]

The key word is "maybe" .... "Maybe" will refuse, but "maybe" will not refuse .... But it all goes to the point that they will raise the retirement age and most likely do it by cunning, increase "WORK EXPERIENCE" and not anyhow what, but "confirmed" in the "archives" and "payments to the pension fund", and here the Russians are waiting for a surprise - those who worked in numerous companies and companies in the 90s and early 2000s about which for some reason there is "lost" "and no work experience to prove. By the way, now those who retire suffer from this "unproven" work experience. Well, the next step after an "increased" experience will be the official raising of the retirement age bar. It's unavoidable.

[svp67]

Quote: 210ox

Increase the work experience ...

Already. Read about the "ball system" and what it is. So, raising the retirement age formally makes no sense, and not everyone can earn the right amount of points before it ...

[private person]

Tell me what is the minimum working experience. Personally, I know such people who have not officially worked for a day and receive a pension the same as those who have been hunchbacked all their lives. Raising the retirement age is certainly unacceptable, but the official seniority must be introduced, and some pay taxes and others get paid in envelopes and do not pay taxes. And the pension is the same, where is justice.

[Glory1974]

Tell me what is the minimum working experience.

Last year was 7 years, before that 5 years. But there is also a difference depending on the year of birth. It is so confusing that even in a pension fund they themselves do not know. The fact is that by the 60 years it will be necessary to have at least 20-25 years of experience for a minimum pension.
As in the USSR, he did not work a day and received a minimum pension.

[Alstorm]

In Ukraine, they did exactly as described in this material. Retirement age has not changed. But they introduced seniority. Yes, and experience can be bought. But the IMF is putting pressure on them. And ours decided to introduce such a scheme. Hmm.

[Buffet]

So the elections are coming soon. Right now, in the summer they’ll take something.

[Aaron Zawi]

Your retirement age is very small. People retire full of strength.

[Herculesic]

Aaron we have a lot of people who simply do not live up to retirement, and besides, it would be possible to increase the growth rate of retirement if the economy really grew, and a significant part of it was controlled by the state, and its private owners, seeking to bring profit out of the country!

[insular]

1. Tell this to a 60-year-old pensioner, who would be glad to still work, despite his health problems, because of a penny, but he doesn’t have a working place and no one is happy with him.
2. Yes, and life expectancy somehow does not fit with the phrase "People retire full of strength" ...
3. If the state, through its pension reform, seeks to optimize spending, then it is necessary to start with the size of the pensions of the "servants of the people." And in this vein, I would start with the pesiyas of the initiators of the reform.

[rotmistr60]

Tell that to a 60-year-old pensioner, who would be glad to still work, despite his health problems, because of a penny's pension, but he does not have a working place and no one is happy with him.

I support at 100. And the employer believes that he will always be in chocolate and young, so even a person at the age of 45 causes him to be rejected.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Your retirement age is very small. People retire full of strength.

If you have a desire to work in the fresh air after 60, you are welcome to come to Siberia ... or to neighbors in the Far North ...
Massaging the tailbone in the deputy chair with such “immoderate” budgetary payments to the deputy’s person, they may come up with something else (“without hands, without legs crossed your head?”) Therefore, we are not surprised. And you read the work of GDP "Tips of outsiders" ...

[siberalt]

Oh well. And what percentage of those who pay in the PF of the Russian Federation do not live to see "the full flowering of forces"? Somewhere around half of those who were able to break through to "happiness in old age." Yes, the trouble is: there is no work with decent pay for children, and it’s practically only paid to teach grandchildren. For health and education have become a service. And for the services you need to wrench wallets. There is no time for Sochi and Crimea for pensioners. Well, they will build the Moscow-Krasnodar-Crimea bridge. But they already lived warmly and had a good rest, and gas from Siberia, which was seen there by no more than 5% of the townspeople. And how is life for those who are beyond the Urals and before St. Petersburg, but nobody cares about Kamchatka in Moscow. Unless, his deputy from Moscow should be led through these zones according to "party lists".

[basmach]

I recently met here, 25% of men do not live to retirement age, according to research

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Your retirement age is very small. People retire full of strength.

Quote: professor

In Israel, a pension (incl. Retirement age) is calculated according to the formula: pension savings are divided by 220. That is, average pension savings are divided by number of months the average person will live after retirement.

In Russia every second man doesn’t live to retire according to official information, but by law we live much longer, the law has such a thing as life expectancy. We have a similar calculation. Check out:
- from January 1, 2016 - 234 months (19 years);
- from January 1, 2017 - 240 months;
- from January 1, 2018 - 246 months (20 years);
- from January 1, 2019 - 252 months;
- from January 1, 2020 - 258 months (21 years).

[Johns]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Your retirement age is very small. People retire full of strength.

Apparently therefore, from an excess of strength, then they do not live long. The average life expectancy in men is 67,5 years. The retirement age is 60 years.
True, there is a topic for reflection. A fairly large number of people retire, quite good by local standards, at 45 years old. Even rich countries cannot afford it.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Your retirement age is very small.

Ndaaa. 67 years old Aron is some kind of mockery. All the scientific progress and the growth of labor productivity of a dog under the tail, you give another 16 hours a day a working day. In the coffin, I saw such a retirement age as yours.

[BMP-2]

Aaaron, I will not say for strength, because everything is very individual, subjective and relative. I can only say that we have a poor understanding of sarcasm!

[Mountain shooter]

Achievement of the USSR - low retirement age and HUGE - by western standards of vacation - you have to pay for everything. In states 67 for men and women.

[insular]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

and HUGE - by western standards of vacation

By Western standards, in climatic conditions such as ours, people do not live at all. More recently, opinions were expressed that the country’s gender should be developed on a rotational basis .. So consider that large vacations and early retirement are inter-shift, received at once, and not after each shift. Everything is fair.

[Masya masya]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

HUGE - Western holiday standards

What a sweet, but long forgotten word- VACATION !!!

[siberalt]

In the USSR, pensions were substituted for at least 50% of the average salary, plus a dime for the subsequent each year of processing for experience, but not more than three, and supplements for titles and difficult working conditions. And it was guaranteed. And do not la la. On average, a pensioner could receive 130 rubles, which corresponded to the average wage in the country.

[Herculesic]

Before you offer something to the people, first try on yourself -Kudrina and Medvedev, set the retirement age at 70 years old, however, before that, get out of the government and send 16 hours a day, 6 days a week for hard physical work, for 15000 rubles .

[siberalt]

Previously, teachers and doctors paid their salaries on the basis of the daily standard (rates), but now for two-hour and part-time jobs (otherwise you will not survive). And whom do we want to cure or educate normally?

[Vadim237]

And due to what it is possible to increase pensions and salaries of state employees and pensioners - where to get such a huge amount of money, we have about 40 million pensioners, and they need to double their pension at least. It needs at least a trillion four rubles extra to the budget - every year.

[Gardamir]

And due to what

1 progressive tax scale. 2 real production, not false import substitution. There is money there would be a desire.

[Siberia55]

It’s interesting: I have had my “harmful” 12 and a half years of experience and retired at 55. (Until now, I thought so). And which of the above numbers will I be raised now?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Siberia55

And which of the above numbers will I be raised now?

Nothing for you, but those who are younger will be pinched.

[inkass_98]

Those who worked for a “white” salary and with official employment will not lose much, but will not gain. The category of workers who were not drawn up by labor contracts will suffer, and we have a lot of them: co-workers are widely represented in the labor market.

[Vadim237]

These are already problems of co-workers.

[samarin1969]

It’s a good idea. Pension should, first of all, be received by those who officially ruin their health at work, and who pay taxes .... And who has worked for himself all his life according to "gray schemes", he already received excess from the state in the form of "public goods" .

[Monster_Fat]

Well, of course, it’s “fair”: when the “union” collapsed, thousands of enterprises closed and millions of people were pulled out into the streets without any allowance, and the state also robbed them, leaving depreciated deposits without accumulation (and continued to rob them in 2008 , and more recently, in 2016 — moreover, the rich were compensated for with losses by the injection of state money, but they didn’t give the people “a shish”). People survived as best they could .... Yes, those "lucky" who stayed in the cops, in the sovereign service and in a few enterprises - the so-called natural monopolies, but the majority had to go to work for a private trader and had to get a "gray" salary, which, by the way, is now paid almost everywhere (yes, we don’t forget about the legalization of beggarly salaries and the withdrawal of personnel to “freelancers” through the “outsourcing” beloved by modern “entrepreneurs” - an evil that the state not only does not fight, but even encourages and uses it in full ...) ...

[Golovan Jack]

That is, the government acts on the principle of "introduce a goat" (then the goat should be brought out, and the house becomes ... well, oddly enough. Although nothing, it seems, has changed).
Funny with us (s)

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: 210ox

They will increase their working experience ... Our liberals have plenty of methods for covertly raising the retirement age.

What is the use of it? If there are no jobs, there is no certainty in the future for young generations of ordinary people. Really as in one article. The tops in Russia behave like winners in a foreign country, tumbling all that is possible, as for the last time. mound.

[Esoteric]

One of Vedomosti’s interlocutors reports that the presence of the experience bar and the level of pension savings tied to it will become an active motivator for the able-bodied population of the country. It was noted that raising the retirement age itself is politically impractical.

What is good for the Russian is death for the German ... People of productive labor should like:
For the able-bodied population of the country, a six-hour working day without lunch breaks during a five-day working week will become an active motivator. To devote the rest of the time to raising (the process of appearance) of children and increase their spirituality.
Active work of trade unions in the issue of certification of workplaces in production. The goal is to identify unnecessary jobs, unreasonable remuneration and the conformity of the activities and responsibilities according to the staffing table.
Pension reform should gradually reduce all pension payments to one size. This will be socially-fair state support in old age, for which you only need to have a certain amount of seniority and age
All personalization upon payment of pensions must be canceled. For during his work, for his activities, everyone received a corresponding monetary reward (payment), from which, if he planned to live happily after retirement, he had to save a certain amount either to the bank or anywhere ...
A lot of things can be done for a person. It was, after all: “Everything for man, everything for the good of man, everything for the happiness of man” ... And now it is possible. True in a socially fair society ... And what we built (or created for us) is far from this ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Esoteric

It was, after all: “Everything for man, everything for the good of man, everything for the happiness of man”

Right And there was a continuation of this joke: "The Chukchi Kremlin was, the Chukchi saw this man, he greeted him by the hand."

Quote: Esoteric

For the able-bodied population of the country, a six-hour work day without lunch breaks during a five-day work week will become an active motivator

And this is another joke. About the bear and the hippo:

... eh ... With such a loaf of bread, but a honey would snarl ...

Quote: Esoteric

To devote the rest of the time to the upbringing (process of appearance) of children and enhance your spirituality

... by consuming alcohol-containing liquids, yeah ...

Quote: Esoteric

Pension reform should gradually reduce all pension payments to one size.

Mdya ... however, dreamers are not only in our government ...

Quote: Esoteric

if he planned to live happily on retirement, he had to save a certain amount either to the bank or anywhere

Do you believe the banks? You need a psychiatrist ... and "anywhere" is where, I wonder?
Brad, in short. Mares. Siva.

[Altona]

Maybe someone needs to eat less and fly to Miami? Can still raise the income tax on the rich and super-rich? Maybe someone needs to be forced to pay extra for "privatization"? And then money in the budget will increase significantly. And then Putin associates (Kudrin and Chubais, Sechin and Rotenberg) wants to pass the costs on to the population, and the incomes into a bottle of his entourage.

[Altona]

Quote: samarin1969

And whoever worked for himself all his life according to “gray schemes”, he already received the excess from the state in the form of “public goods”.

-------------------------
The officials have their own pension system and it is much better than the general one.

[Reptiloid]

They themselves and increased the retirement age, so that they could be at the trough longer. That's !!!!!!

[Monster_Fat]

Well, so here many do not notice that Russia has long turned into an estate state ....

[Altona]

Quote: inkass_98

Those who worked for a “white” salary and with official employment will not lose much, but will not gain. The category of workers who were not drawn up by labor contracts will suffer, and we have a lot of them: co-workers are widely represented in the labor market.

------------------------------
And if I was unemployed with a rather long period, then how could I?

[private person]

Yeah, he couldn’t seem to be a simple hard worker, he didn’t want to, and the head didn’t have enough places. Of course, if for health reasons, I wildly apologize, although many of those with an emblem who are disabled at the wheel drive a car for a couple of million rolls and harya wider than the windshield.

[aszzz888]

The newspaper "Vedomosti" came out with material stating that the Russian government is discussing an alternative to raising the retirement age in the country

... since the 90s of the last century, this fuss has been going on ...

[Nix1986]

The situation can change as you like after the election of 18, now much is tied to political points.

[weksha50]

Quote: Esoteric

т

"The only alternative to this in our government is" pension freeze"..." ....

To officials .... With a preliminary reduction to the minimum in Russia .....

[Settlement Oparyshev]

If the deputies of the State Duma, increase the minimum wage another thousand to 100-150, then the deputies will do as in Ukraine: 35 years of mine experience for mines pensioner.

[private person]

And 35 years is a lot?

[Professor]

The newspaper provides the opinion of one of the political experts, who notes that it is the level of seniority in the country that can ultimately finally notice the concept of “a single retirement age”.

There are no alternatives to raising the retirement age. It’s already possible to invent a wheel. Everything is invented. However, before the election there will be no body movements.


PS
In Israel, pension (incl. Retirement age) is calculated according to the formula: we divide pension savings by 220. That is, average pension savings are divided by the number of months that the average person will live after retirement. If savings become less or / and life expectancy increases, then the retirement age must be shifted. Otherwise, pensioners will receive a penny and will live in poverty.

Personally, I recommend everyone to take care of their old age themselves and not hope for any state.

[CT-55_11-9009]

With the salary of a large number of Russians living outside major cities, you cannot take care of today, why talk about old age ...

[Dr. Serg]

Professor ... Russia is such a mysterious country that it still has a sea of ​​reserves! First, the question is what shines with the employer for avoiding taxes (for example, gray or black salaries)? Well, one of the recent stories, we gathered like former classmates and school friends for tea drinking ... after the fifth cup, we discussed politics, after the sixth or seventh they started discussing bad teachers and disgusting medicine, I was thrown up when the wife of one of my classmates said " they owe us, because we pay taxes ... "The piquancy of the situation is that this lady has not worked a day in her life, she is still a housewife," caring "for her fourteen-year-old son, her husband is an engineer in a construction company with an official salary in one minimum wage, they have a luxurious apartment, they finish building a big house in the near Moscow region ... they talked about taxes and it turned out that out of the whole company only a couple of state employees pay all taxes ... and the rest ... who goes to sea, catches fish for 15 tons of rubles, another couple of shops owns and pays for their minimum wage, even one dentist in a private clinic for 20 tons is stuck - though the family fleet every 2-3 years completely updates with expensive cars ilami ... to my question- "if you do not pay taxes, then with what fright does someone owe you something?" There was no answer ... I am surprised at the very liberal attitude of our state towards tax collection .... I suspect that somewhere in the States or Israel, employers would have mastered the prison sentence for such tricks for a long time ..;

[thinker]

As I agree with you! BUT...

In 2001, more than 36 thousand criminal cases were initiated by the federal tax police, the amount of damages for completed criminal cases amounted to about 27 billion rubles, more than 100 billion rubles were returned to the budget as a result of the operational and official activities of the Federal Tax Service.
Since July 1, 2003, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin No. 306 dated March 11, 2003, the Federal Security Service of Russia was abolished without explanation.

[Professor]

Quote: Dr.Serg

. I suspect that somewhere in the States or Israel, employers would have mastered the prison prison for such tricks for a long time ..;

When I arrived in Israel, I realized that it is better to owe the mafia than the tax administration. With the mafia, you can agree, with the tax authorities in any way.

In general, I have two hands for everyone to pay taxes. He paid and cry to the last agora.

Singer Kobi Peretz arrives at Maasiyahu Prison to serve his sentence
http://www.newsru.co.il/arch/israel/15oct2017/per
ez_103z.html
On Sunday, October 15, singer Kobe Peretz arrived at the Maasiyahu Prison to serve his sentence. He will spend one and a half years there.

In May 2016, Pepper, performing mizrahi songs, was found guilty of concealing income of six million shekels and sentenced to imprisonment for two years and a fine of 165 thousand shekels.

On 28 on June 2017, a district court in Tel Aviv softened the sentence imposed on the singer and sentenced him to one and a half years in prison.

In early July, Peretz filed a pardon with President Reuven Rivlin. However, on October 3, the president rejected the request. In his reply, Rivlin emphasized that the institution of pardon is not an appeal instance and is intended only for single and exceptional cases.

[Dr. Serg]

So I'm talking about the same thing ... Somehow it flashed on TV ... that 20 million workers work in gray schemes (someone from the government said) ... what is this huge reserve of fees ?? And this is a pension, defense industry, salaries ... Of course ... it’s easier for the government to rob where, without straining, you can withdraw money - excise taxes on fuel, transport taxes, excise taxes on cigarettes and alcohol ... Not a desire to deal with gray employers - can only be caused by personal interest in such a situation of the powers that be ...

[Gardamir]

My older brother (13 years older), at the beginning of the XNUMXs, was left without work. The collective farm was closed, and then his brother was fifty with a little. And how then the brother survived, it’s better not to think. Because either I could not find a job, or, where I found it, they did not give a salary. And what would he feel like another five extra years to spin?

[Monster_Fat]

Well, as you can see, even here on the forum there are those who, your brother, consider retirement unworthy — for these years he “didn’t pay taxes”, and even “used gray schemes” when receiving salaries (although he didn’t receive salaries). And what can we say about fat-assed people sitting in an armchair and not lifting anything in their lives except for their asses from a chair and who see only the “bare” figures of “lost” for years of taxpayers .... As the proverb says: “well fed, hungry "..

[private person]

Such as your brother who fed the USSR in the country, I do not sympathize with a million, of course, but I’m not talking about the current generation who don’t really want to work.

[BISMARCK94]

imagine iq boost, wild dogs

[Will]

And where to find really smart for all the governments of the world?

[Nemesis]

Raising the retirement age in Russia is a crazy idea. Life expectancy in the Russian Federation is still low.

[Altona]

Quote: private person

Yeah, he couldn’t seem to be a simple hard worker, he didn’t want to, and the head didn’t have enough places. Of course, if for health reasons, I wildly apologize, although many of those with an emblem who are disabled at the wheel drive a car for a couple of million rolls and harya wider than the windshield.

-------------------------------
What is this about? Come to us, try to get a simple hard worker, I'll see.

[Stoler]

The meaning of all pension reforms in three words - So that you die !!!

[Roman 11]

ABOUT! Sometimes sobering occurs in our people. And then Putin, Stalin, someone else Stupid Putin and Stalin do not care..... if they raise a toast to the great Russian people

When is our election there? in March? Run like nice little people to vote for Putin, because you write and poop at night, if only you would pay a pension. A usual excuse for children so no one else

[private person]

And let's vote for Ksyusha Sobchak, he will trample for fun like in house2 and then we will live everything in love and harmony.

[choice]

I will be one of those who will be ready to take up the bagpipes, the hump of wildebeest from the age of 16, first in metallurgy, now at a construction site that now I’m 42 years old, I already feel all my health and I know that there’s not much left to live and WELLNESS wants to take away the last hope!

[Fight]

Or maybe not

[Seraphimamur]

Instead of introducing a progressive income and property tax, the government is overwhelmed by what to do with retirees and how to pay them. I can tell you, along with retirement, a citizen should receive a preferential coupon for ephtanasia: there are no pensioners and no need to pay.

[aikon1974]

Well yes. Soon, the election of the gdp. And after it will increase.

[-Ac-]

Quote: professor

There are no alternatives to raising the retirement age. It’s already possible to invent a wheel. Everything is invented.

Not everything is invented. There is an alternative.
Raising the retirement age is a genocide of the people. © AC