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"They worshiped the bull!" The most developed Mediterranean civilization of the Bronze Age (part three)

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So, the most important conclusion regarding the origin of the Minoan civilization is this: the Early Minoan culture is not directly related to the Neolithic culture of Crete, but was brought by newcomers from Asia, from the east, through the lands of Anatolia. In Mesopotamia, for example, there are numerous analogues of the Minoan culture.



Wonderful murals depicting acrobats — young men and women jumping through a fast-moving, long-horned bull — were found in the Palace of Knossos. They are all dressed the same — a thigh tie, a metal belt at the waist. Images emphasize their dexterity, flexibility and fearlessness. The width of the chest, the thinness of the waist, the muscles of the arms and legs are also underlined. Apparently, all this was considered a sign of beauty. As to the meaning of such dangerous exercises, it is obvious not only a spectacular, but also a sacred meaning. Interestingly, among the many Cretan frescoes, only these acrobatic scenes are distinguished by such vital truthfulness as the frescoes, which depict nature. The rest contain much more convention.


However, any frescoes of Knossos are beautiful in their own way. How many here, for example, we see female figures and after all they all ... are "Parisians"!

But the formation of Minoan culture was also influenced by the culture of mainland Greece (“Pelasgians”). For example, the characteristic ornaments of the Minoan vases have much more in common with the ceramic ornaments of mainland Greece (for example, the “Vinca culture”) than with the poor ornaments of the Ubaid culture from the east.

"They worshiped the bull!" The most developed Mediterranean civilization of the Bronze Age (part three)

Pomossky idol of the Aeneolithic. (Benaki Museum in Athens)


My own Pomos idol from the island of Cyprus. (Original in the Archaeological Museum of Cyprus in Nicosia) It is obvious that the area of ​​their distribution was the whole territory of the Aegean culture.

It can be considered proven that in the third millennium BC. er Minoans have already sailed to Sardinia. In any case, the ancient tradition says that the Sardis came from Crete, but on this island so many cultures have changed that it is impossible to isolate the Cretan.


The head of the female figure from the Cycladic Islands. The early period (2700 – 2300 BC). (Louvre)

The origin of the Minoan (Etheo-Cretan) language is still a linguistic riddle. The fact is that the Cretan letter is only partially decoded. This allowed to determine only some of its morphological indicators, so that it can be argued that it does not belong to Indo-European, nor is it related to Etruscan. As before, so that there would not be claimed all sorts of speculators on stories, can not be deciphered Phaistos disc, and all the texts written "linear letter A".


Marble female idols of canonical type from the Cycladic islands. The largest has a height 18.5, see. (Museum of Cycladic Art, Athens)


A group of three marble idols. Found on Crete in Tekka near Knossos. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum)

It is interesting that for many years ancient Egypt was an ally of the Minoans. And on the contrary, their contacts with the opponents of Egypt (the same Hittite kingdom) are not recorded.

It is known that immigrants from Crete also settled in Cyprus. And no wonder why - there are rich deposits of copper ore. The Cretans also colonized a number of islands of the Aegean Sea (for example, the same Cyclades), but then their expansion most likely met with resistance from the Pelasgians. But contacts with Greece were established after the Achaeans seized Crete. Before that, she seemed to be of little interest to them.


The so-called “ring of King Minos” (1450-1400 b. BC). Unfortunately, it turned out a little bit sharply. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete)

But it is known that the Minoans traded with Ancient Egypt, and exported copper from the island of Cyprus. Egyptian borrowings are visible, for example, in architecture, where Cretans began to use a column after the Egyptians. But religious minarets, unlike the Egyptians, were not built at all. All their religion, apparently, was carried out "on the street" or, as a last resort, within the walls of the palace. The ability to build multi-storey buildings, up to five floors high, suggests that they managed to develop the knowledge of an earlier era, and to use what they saw in Egypt creatively.


Bull heads are the traditional motive of ancient Crete culture. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete)


Some are very beautiful, and some are made in haste - the main thing is to look like a bull. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete)


And this is bull heads from Chatal-huyuk. (Museum of the Anatolian civilization in Ankara).

But the Minoans proper beliefs differed very strongly from the Egyptians' beliefs. The Egyptians lived for the sake of death and directed all their thoughts to ensure themselves afterlife in the kingdom of Osiris. The Minoans had a cult of the bull. The essence of the ritual was the ability to jump over the bull or make a stand on his back. Honoring the bull and playing with the bull was typical of the peoples of ancient Syria, the Indus Valley, and is still preserved in Spain as a bullfight.


The sacred vessel in the form of an ox head from the island of Crete. Stone (black steatite), gold. Eyes from rock crystal. XVI century BC, that is, it 3600 years. By the way, this particular vessel served the artist Serov as a prototype of his bull-Zeus. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete)

Archeological data also suggests that in the Minoan religion (as in other areas of life), women could play a dominant role. For example, they were priestesses of the Goddess with snakes, whose figurines were repeatedly found on Crete. There is a hypothesis that the bull personified the Cretan men, and the serpent - the female. But is it impossible to verify this, and all attempts to "recreate" the Minoans religion, as well as the statements that someone has already succeeded in this, are pure speculation designed for the profane. But the most popular motif in the late Minoan era in the design of ceramics was the image of an octopus and ... what does this mean, or what does it say?


The famous Cretan "Goddess with snakes." Height 34,3, see Faience. Ok.1600 BC. Statuette of the Archaeological Museum in Heraklion.

Today, historians can not do without the data of genetics, and this is what their data says: the population of Crete by the male line was associated with people - carriers of the Y-chromosome haplogroup J2, and its maximum concentration is still observed in Crete. Well, and its carriers have their roots in the western regions of Asia Minor, from where its carriers moved to the island in the middle of 3 millennium BC. er

With regard to mtDNA research, it turns out that the ancestors of the Minoans along the female line are not natives of North Africa, say, from Libya or Egypt, but the Europeans who arrived in Crete about 9000 years ago from the Peloponnese. This proves the Minoans inherited through the maternal mtDNA line, which is also found among modern inhabitants of the island. The majority of Minoans had mitochondrial haplogroups H (43,2%), T (18,9%), K (16,2%) and I (8,1%). The time difference clearly indicates that there were two waves of settlement of the island, and not one. And from the same way, by the way, such an important conclusion follows that the mysterious Phaistos disc cannot be written in Slavic, because its speakers were simply absent in ancient Crete. The latest studies, literally just that, that is, in the 2017 year, show that the inhabitants of the island have Y-chromosome haplogroups J2a1 (n = 3) and G2a2b2 (n = 1) and mitochondrial haplogroups U, H, X, K.


Another figure "snake goddess." Both figurines were found by Sir Arthur Evans during his excavations on Crete in 1903. They are made of earthenware and covered with glass glaze, painted with bright pigments in reddish-brown and yellowish-green colors and later baked, acquiring glassy shine. Today they are in the Heraklion Archaeological Museum.


Snake Goddess from the Walters Art Museum. Another masterpiece of Cretan small plastic, made of ivory and gold (17 cm height). Her slim figure is dressed in a traditional Cretan dress with ruffles, but her arms are raised upwards. A number of items of clothing made of sheet gold, that is, this figure was most likely more valuable than the previous two, ceramic.

Interestingly, figurines of goddesses with snakes were found in a room next to the palace sanctuary, in special hiding places (stone boxes), along with a variety of objects of a clearly cult nature: votive images of women's clothing, painted shells, figurines of flying fish and a marble cross.

An important discovery is the clarification of the date of the disaster on the island of Santorini, which was conducted by Danish scientists from the University of Aarhus. Thanks to their work, the time of this event today is known up to a quarter of a century - between 1627 and 1600 years BC. er (or 100-150 years older than previously thought).


Labrys - this time golden. Another very important symbol of the Minoan culture. (Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete)

To clarify the date, a petrified olive branch found by archaeologists was used. First of all, it was precisely possible to establish that the tree died during this fatal eruption of the volcano. Well, the dating itself was conducted at once by two methods: dendrochronological and radiocarbon, and they both gave similar results.

To be continued ...
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 26 October 2017 05: 01
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    The sculptures are impressive ... for 1450-1400. BC. they are very perfect ... the shapes and proportions can be said to be perfect.
    1. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 10: 24
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The sculptures are impressive ... for 1450-1400. BC. they are very perfect ...

      The influence of Old Russian culture is felt! Similar to these, ancient Russian sculptures in huge quantities (tens, hundreds of thousands have already been found in ancient burials on the territory of the Great Russian Plain, Kostenka, etc.). In general, it is usually believed that this image is the first “Makosha goddess” in Russia, in publications the maximum age of her veneration is already 100 thousand years, possibly more, maybe less, it's just an order of time. So the images of this goddess were worked out for one ten-millennium.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 October 2017 16: 49
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        These figures (Kostenki) are approximately 30,000 years old. About the primitive
        people usually don’t talk like representatives of some kind
        nationality. These were Cro-Magnons. This is a common name for everyone.
        They lived and moved throughout Eurasia.
        They learned the basics of art from ALL future civilizations.
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  2. XII Legion
    XII Legion 26 October 2017 06: 40
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    And I liked the Labrys.
    The continuation of an interesting cycle - as always richly illustrated and at the same time informative
    Thank you
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 26 October 2017 06: 40
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    Thank. Interesting and informative.
  4. OAV09081974
    OAV09081974 26 October 2017 08: 40
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    It is especially interesting to read the article when:
    a) it is written by an SPECIALIST - such as V. O. Shpakovsky
    и
    b) based on a rich source base. Objects of material culture and selected and characterized perfectly.
    Well, when there is still an interesting style of presentation - this is, as they say, “aerobatics”.
    Thanks to the author for this article and look forward to further hi
  5. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 26 October 2017 09: 07
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    There is a hypothesis that the bull represented the Cretans masculine, and the snake - feminine.

    Very significant laughing
    And among the ancient Egyptians, if memory serves, fine art varied the sex differences so much - male bodies were painted yellow and female bodies were pink
    Great series of articles
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 26 October 2017 11: 36
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      Quote: Rotmistr
      Great series of articles

      An excellent series of articles - glorifying foreign countries. It’s interesting, but the author can write something similar about the same period about Russia, so to speak for comparison, or were we still jumping in the trees?
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 26 October 2017 11: 56
        +8
        Jumped through the trees 5 million years ago, and then Russi was not at all from the word
      2. kalibr
        26 October 2017 12: 06
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        You about that very time or about later? So, the author cannot write “about the same period”, since Russia was not there then, there were no Slavs as a people, so what to compare with? Round and fresh can not be compared. Want to get excited by our cultural achievements? Read my material about the church in the Baroque style near Penza ... There was an article about the Sejmians and Turbines living in our Siberia, there was material about the Borodino treasure. What does all this have to do with Russia besides Russia? I don’t know. But today on the site there is an excellent article by Samsonov, how our princes burned each other’s eyes, committed oaths and burned each other. Read, you will like our "achievements". Although "there" (in a foreign country) it was all the same !!! Not better!!!
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 12: 21
          +8
          Read my material about the Baroque church near Penza ... There was an article about the Sejmians and Turbines living in Siberia, there was material about the Borodino treasure.

          I told Boris on his last visit the same thing. One-sided assessment.
          Boris, no offense. hi You can be interested in a foreign culture, not forgetting about your own, but you can only be interested in your culture, sweeping away the rest of the world. No one made comparisons.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2017 13: 15
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            You are all obsessed with the biblical narrative. The history of mankind did not begin with Egypt. The flood was, but it was not universal. In many places on the planet, people survived. Therefore, there are many races on earth, and not one. The legacy of past civilizations was not completely wiped off the face of the earth ... And if some kind of feral tribe found and appropriated shiny trinkets, this does not mean at all that it is more developed that these trinkets could revive ...
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 13: 52
              +4
              You are all obsessed with the biblical narrative. The history of mankind did not begin with Egypt.

              and you on what? no, just wondering, don't get it wrong. hi
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 26 October 2017 14: 45
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                Quote: Mikado
                and you on what? no, just wondering, don't get it wrong. hi

                The absence of an alternative biblical story does not mean its truthfulness. There is too much untruth in it, and with the advent of the Internet, this is becoming more apparent. Whether scammers take advantage of this from history is certain.
                1. kalibr
                  26 October 2017 16: 18
                  +5
                  What are you doing there on your military pension that you came to such deep conclusions?
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 26 October 2017 20: 08
                  +2
                  "We have an alternative story, dear, on the fourth floor." An alternative story is a sign of defeatist psychology. For some reason, in this area the number of Russian-speaking authors prevails in world content, both in the popular science segment and in the science fiction section.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 26 October 2017 20: 19
                    +8
                    For some reason, in this area, the number of Russian-speaking authors prevails in world content, both in the popular science segment and in the science fiction section.

                    because, Anton, we are not living very well. People need to hope for something. If there is no national idea, then there is a search for it in the past. People want to feel great, even in the past! The Americans do not have this - it drives into them that they are the very most. Plus a strong economy. I'm suspecting simply. Anyway, they are different. Our mentality requires justice and confidence. They are individualists, we are social activists (with rare exceptions). I could be wrong, but in some ways I’m right. By the way, I'm glad to see you! hi
        2. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2017 14: 45
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          So, the author cannot write “about the same period”, since Russia was not there thenThere were no Slavs as a people, so what to compare with?

          Well, about the "Slavs" I really agree here. The truth before the "Slavs" were such Slovenia, words (they spoke, today) they are in Russian. In the end, please study at least to a minimum such science as linguistics. In life, perhaps this is still useful. By the way, some "Etruscans" previously called themselves Slovenes and otherwise. Can you recall, for today, even such countries are like Slovenia и Slovakia, people who lived there a long time ago caught the word in Russian (and not in Slavic). And about Ancient Russia, here I understand you completely, according to your religious beliefs, any mention of something like Russia or something else more ancient is not acceptable to you, otherwise, God forbid, they will be expelled from the sect, with all the ensuing consequences. It may be reminded of the fate of a truly worthy Filisof Benedict Spinoza (born Baruch Spinoza), since then he was not allowed to be buried in any cemetery. Maybe you remember this? Hence, all your natural fears do not recognize the obvious, I understand. That's why I'm sorry that people like you are given a microphone, a newspaper column, places for articles, no matter how truly talented a person is. One must always consider the inner world of a person to explain this. "not knowledge"so obvious past events and glaring" gaps "in their knowledge. Yes, you at least remember the Persian Empire, or again the next" gaps "in knowledge.
        3. Velizariy
          Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 34
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          Quote: kalibr
          Read my stuff about the church in baroque style near Penza ...

          Ha ha ha !!!)))))) About the church to read a member)))))))))) English humor?)))
        4. Yura Yakovlev
          Yura Yakovlev 25 January 2018 17: 24
          +1
          Sorry, but you greatly underestimate the history of our country.
          It is known that the main marker of the presence of Slavs in archeology is considered to be the culture of pitted-comb ceramics. So it turns out that Peter is comparable in antiquity with what you describe in your article.
          And it was like this, in St. Petersburg, when the governor Valentina Matvienko was at the time, the idea was to build the Okhta Center skyscraper. The public was against it, therefore, in accordance with the law on the protection of the cultural layer, excavations were made at the site of future construction.
          1. Yura Yakovlev
            Yura Yakovlev 25 January 2018 17: 26
            +1
            And here is what came of it:
            "On the territory of St. Petersburg, on the coast of the cape, at
            the confluence of the Okhta and Neva rivers, a unique monument of eras was opened
            Neolithic Early Metal - Okhta 1. For reconstruction
            climatic conditions that existed in this
            period, comprehensive studies of the ancient
            cultural deposits, which included archaeological,
            lithological, particle size distribution,
            mineralogical-geochemical, palynological, diatom and
            radiocarbon methods. The data obtained revealed
            the dynamics of the development of ancient cultures in connection with the change
            paleogeography of the area. The first population begins to master
            coast of a shallow sea bay after retreat
            Litorin Sea, about 4070 BC Hollow and
            pit-comb cultural tradition of the late neolithic in
            primarily use this territory as a fishing ground
            zone for hunting and fishing, which prevailed in their
            economic activity. After a short break,
            environmental degradation of about 3500
            years BC, the next stage of settlement of the coastal zone
            begins around 3200-3000 BC At that time
            warm and humid climatic conditions are established, and on
            settlements with residential and
            economic activities and burials of the late era
            Neolithic-Eneolithic. Among material culture common
            various types of ceramics: asbestos ceramics, ceramics with
            admixture of fluff and feather, ceramics with chamotte. This data
            are so far the first comprehensive studies,
            carried out on the territory of the monument Ohta 1. "
      3. Rotmistr
        Rotmistr 26 October 2017 13: 01
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        An excellent series of articles - glorifying foreign countries.

        I did not see the glorification - I saw a competent review of what is available.
        And is this not our common cultural heritage - the whole world?
        And the Greeks are not strangers to Russians.
        Well and then - a foreign country, non-foreign country is very relative. Estonia, for example, is now a foreign country - and one tank transition, and - the Estland province. So everything is relative laughing
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 14: 36
          +9
          And is this not our common cultural heritage - the whole world?

          Dmitry, I sometimes have the feeling that from the point of view of our "patriots" we should build to go and be fascinated by the wooden churches of Russia, icons and the "Domostroy" personallyand listen exclusively to Kobzon and Stas Mikhailov - they also sing in Russian (add Timati and the Butyrka band there). And whoever will be fascinated by others, and even more so, will like something abroad (they just like it, it’s interesting, without comparison!) Will go to the stake, because “today you listen to jazz, and tomorrow you will sell your homeland”. am But I'm sorry, you can be fascinated by the forgotten Yama-Kingisepp fortress, admire the paintings of the Renaissance, and listen to Alice Cooper - his work is too diverse. hi the world is good in diversity, monotony leads first to stagnation, then to extinction - the laws of nature. request
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2017 14: 51
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            Quote: Mikado
            from the point of view of our "patriots" we must build to go and be charmed by the wooden churches of Russia ...

            Think primitively. You do not describe patriotism, but a concentration camp and even in the churches of God there is no, but there are only scammers.
            Quote: Mikado
            ... monotony leads first to stagnation, then to extinction - the laws of nature.

            I agree with that. The story, imposed by the ideologists of the Bible, has borne out with its lies.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 35
              +2
              Think primitively. You do not describe patriotism, but a concentration camp

              Boris, I’m not describing a concentration camp, but the way of thinking of some site participants! that's the problem! hi if Russian is definitely good, if foreign is bad, and you are an enemy and a liberal! angry Well, nonsense! hi Well, let's start jumping even under the tales of the ancient Slavs! request or for an alternative story!
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 October 2017 21: 14
            +3
            No, Nikolai, the bonfire is too fast. Bastards like us should die slowly. For this, the Protoslavs (Etruscans) came up with a crucifix.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 17
              +2
              one hundred pounds. drinks It crushes, and you don’t think about gluttony or adultery. That is, they are, but you suffer .. recourse
        2. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2017 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Rotmistr
          And the Greeks are not strangers to Russians.

          Before the "Greeks" (Hellenes, more precisely) appeared in those places, a sufficiently developed Russian civilization already existed there, as evidenced by finds from the period of 4000 years ago. Here, in this, that there is also a gap of "knowledge"?
  6. kalibr
    26 October 2017 11: 15
    +8
    Quote: venaya
    tens, hundreds of thousands have already been discovered in ancient burials on

    Yes, there are so many burials ...
    1. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 11: 27
      +2
      Tens of thousands of figures resembling modern children's toys are found to date only in already excavated burials. Here I indicated a huge number of figurines themselves, and not the number of excavations at all. You have to be careful!
      1. kalibr
        26 October 2017 11: 59
        +8
        Weird! To date, only ONE SINGLE mammoth bone figure has been found, which is stored in the museum in Brno and is of national value. She is not even exposed, but kept in a safe. Age is estimated at 30-35 thousand years.

        There are also ceramic figures in the museum in Brno. These are not so ancient - and there are more. But this is just one. There is a dating that reduces its age to 28 thousand years. But still, this is a very high indicator of prescription. About 100000 years, we are not talking at all, neither in tens of thousands, nor in units of pieces.

        These ceramic figurines, corresponding to the era of ceramic Neolithic.
        1. Some kind of compote
          Some kind of compote 26 October 2017 14: 00
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          Feminine charms - international and superechoic
          good
          wink
  7. Eight
    Eight 26 October 2017 13: 01
    +8
    "The influence of the Old Russian culture is felt! Such like these, Old Russian sculptures in huge quantities (tens, hundreds of thousands have already been found in ancient burials on the territory of the Great Russian Plain, Kostenka, etc.)."
    The Kostenki 1 site is the most famous Kostenki site along with the Kostenki 11 site. It was she who became the first archaeological discovery of the region in 1879, made by Ivan Semenovich Polyakov. It was to this parking lot during the entire period of research in Kostenki that the most intense interest of scientists was riveted.

    After I.S. Polyakov, excavations were carried out here by A.I. Kelsiev (1881), N.I. Krishtafovich (1904), S.A. Krukovsky (1915), S.N. Zamyatnin (1922 .), P.P. Efimenko (1923, 1931–1936), A.N. Rogachev (1938, 1948-1983), N.D. Praslov (with interruptions 1984-1994). Since 2004, work in the parking lot resumed under the direction of M.V. Anikovich.
    The history of research Kostenok is the history of Russian (Soviet) Paleolithic archeology in miniature. For Russian researchers, Kostenka is the “archaeological Mecca”: it is considered obligatory for the researcher to visit there at least once in his life during excavations.
    The first human settlements in Kostenki date back to 45 thousand years ago, the latter end their existence about 30 thousand years later. During this time, mankind has managed to go a grandiose way from small groups of the first Europeans who have just begun to develop a new continent, to highly developed societies of "mammoth hunters".
    The pearl of the collection are female figurines made of mammoth and marl tusk in the style of "primitive realism." The most attractive artistic image created in the Stone Age is a small figure of a pregnant woman - a symbol of the continuation of life and the sustainability of the foundations of human life.


    But no one ever wrote or said that Kostenki is a monument of ancient Russian culture. I would like to see links to some (not obtained under the influence of opiates) documentary evidence that this is a clue of ancient Russian culture.
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 26 October 2017 13: 59
      +8
      I would like to see links to some .... documentary evidence that this is a cliff of ancient Russian culture.

      Yes, you are an incorrigible optimist who wants to receive documented information from such "unique interlocutors." yes
      1. Eight
        Eight 26 October 2017 14: 23
        +8
        The fact is that when the Ukrainian journalist Slisarenko said on the TV screen that Jesus, X-rays and Sai Baba were the brightest representatives of the Ukrainian nation, all demanded evidence. Here the plot is no worse. Maybe I missed something and there were some finds specifically written in Russian, for example: "Bast bast shoes. Made in Russia. CXL production date millennium BC"
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 14: 38
          +7
          all demanded evidence

          some haplogroups will prove that they were not Ukrainians, but Russians. "He is not a triangle at all, but a cube!" (V.S. Vysotsky) laughing
          1. Eight
            Eight 26 October 2017 14: 44
            +8
            Oh, in vain you are talking about haplogroups, I feel my heart, it won’t end in good.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 14: 52
              +3
              why? even the author mentioned them in the article. Okay, knotted. hi
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 October 2017 21: 28
            +2
            I have not heard this version of "Dear Transmission."
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 31
              +3
              nothing, many modern "scientists" will prove anything. drinks You did not know that the ancient Slavs ate Cook? exactly! fellow without salt, and without onions! belay
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 October 2017 23: 01
                +3
                Here is chesslovo, despite the fact that I ... well, change the term ... anfan teribl, my imagination and literary abilities will be enough for a dozen Fomenko and Muldashevs. The main thing here is not to stop Ostap.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 27 October 2017 00: 07
                  +3
                  Anfan Terible

                  Peter is a city of contrasts. You can see the professor, having fun drinking beer on a bench in a T-shirt and flip flops, and "miserable", operating with higher mathematics and high culture love the mind does not depend on anything. good drinks
              2. Amurets
                Amurets 27 October 2017 04: 44
                +4
                Quote: Mikado
                nothing, many modern "scientists" will prove anything.

                Namesake. I agree. And these are the ancestors of the ancient Slavs.
                "Many millions of years ago, the territory of the Amur Region, as it turned out, was inhabited by dinosaurs. There are not so many places in Russia that can boast of such finds, there are less than ten of them and two of them are in the Amur region. One of the cemeteries of dinosaurs is in Blagoveshchensk, the other in the Arkharin district.

                In the middle of the twentieth century, and more precisely in 1948, schoolboy Ivan Bastrykin accidentally stumbled upon unknown bones, obviously old and clearly belonging to a large animal, which he took to the local museum of local lore. He found them in a stone quarry near Nagornaya Street. "
                The Belgians even wanted to make a paleontological museum, but when they learned that the dinosaur is the ancestor of the Slavs, they crossed themselves and quickly disappeared.
                "The Ryabinin Amurosaurus The first remains of the Ryabinin Amurosaurus (named after the author of the description) were discovered at the Blagoveschensk deposit of the Late Cretaceous reptiles in the 80s of the last century. They wore an unusual outgrowth in the form of a helmet on their heads." Here it is not the biblical beginning of history.
                http://antikvarovnet.ru/viewtopic.php?f=107&t
                = 323
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 27 October 2017 12: 37
                  +1
                  sorry, there is no Marat, Nikolai. he was the first to prove that an intermediate link between a dinosaur and an ancient Russian was a penguin drinker laughing
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 27 October 2017 12: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Mikado
                    sorry, there is no Marat, Nikolai. he was the first to prove that an intermediate link between a dinosaur and an ancient Russian was a penguin drinker laughing

                    Well yes. Priority cannot be selected.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 26 October 2017 21: 24
        +3
        Elena, happy to welcome you! Thank you for the epithet! laughing
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 26 October 2017 21: 31
          +2
          Anton, always please love lol
          Glad to see you. love
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 41
            +3
            I and some other participants are already starting to be jealous .. wink The doctor will hide - even more so. This rabid jealous person will generally solve all enemas fellow
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 26 October 2017 23: 05
              +4
              Pure jealousy is an unproductive emotion. Call me a duel or something ... And the Doctor will be by the way.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 October 2017 00: 04
                +4
                yeah, and that with my psychological education I can do with you with a hammer drill .. request recourse Do not make me laugh! drinks laughing
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 27 October 2017 04: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Mikado
                  yeah, and that with my psychological education I can do with you with a hammer drill ..

                  Graduate from the Polytechnic Institute ......
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 27 October 2017 12: 43
                    +2
                    will not help. On his side EXPERIENCE .. request
                    1. Amurets
                      Amurets 27 October 2017 12: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: Mikado
                      will not help. On his side EXPERIENCE ..

                      Experience is a business.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 27 October 2017 12: 57
                        +2
                        Yes, it's understandable. But he has a head start - ogogo fellow
    2. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: Eight
      no one ever wrote or said that Kostenki is a monument of ancient Russian culture

      Here the mystery lies in the owners of these same publications. They miss any anti-Russian nonsense, but from the ancient past of Russia - no, no. Have you ever read the analytics dedicated to the Book of Veles, or you just have access to the analytics of the recently written Torah. Yes, do you even compare them by the time of writing, by language, etc. I think that you are probably a foreigner - only from here such blatant "not knowledge" of the subject under discussion are possible. I confess that publications are really catastrophically small, so I often get my knowledge directly, from specialists in the relevant profiles. Do you think someone will let them publish? You are a naive person, or simply pretending to be illiterate, and in fact understanding everything, but hushing up your actual knowledge.
      1. Eight
        Eight 26 October 2017 16: 07
        +5
        I’m asking you a question, but you’re talking to me about pshat and drash. Are you anti-Semitic? I then do not have the opportunity to communicate with the specialists you are talking about. I don’t even know where to look for them. Therefore, I consider my doubts to be completely legitimate. Nevertheless, you must agree that the question is serious enough and to take a word here seems somewhat inappropriate and I would like to get at least some evidence.
      2. kalibr
        26 October 2017 16: 14
        +4
        Today, you can publish anything you like in foreign magazines in RUSSIAN. Pay and print. There are publications publishing materials in the author’s edition, i.e. with author errors! I had a mistake in the NAME - gone! So write what you want and go! I will even give you the addresses of publications of such ladies. Want to? Invitations come to me every now and then. But ANY can be published there! "Pay and fly!". And not expensive - 2-3 thousand total!
  8. kalibr
    26 October 2017 13: 57
    +3
    Quote: Eight
    But no one ever wrote or said that Kostenki is a monument of ancient Russian culture. I would like to see links to some (not obtained under the influence of opiates) documentary evidence that this is a clue of ancient Russian culture.

    Wow! In addition, there are many bones, they are assigned numbers ... and a number of "bones" were outside of Russia. Long away! Of course we can say that Russia was then from ocean to ocean. But this is such a bust that opiates can not do!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 October 2017 14: 18
      +6
      Of course we can say that Russia was then from ocean to ocean.

      Vyacheslav Olegovich, I suspect here that any historical theory with a bias in nationalism: a) is based on the desire to prove its exclusivity, b) includes a pseudo-historical component. A lot of examples can be given, all of them include the concepts of "pseudo-history-gigantomania-exclusivity." Please note (I don’t even take Hitler into account) that in Finland some politicians dreamed of “Great Finland to the Urals”, in Poland - “Poland from Mozh to Mozh”, who dug up the Black Sea and poured mountains of the Caucasus - we also already know, well, it would be strange if such theories did not appear in our country too. We are all different on the site, I did not want to offend anyone. drinks It’s just that, apparently, in something ... a pattern! request
      Russia was then from ocean to ocean. But this is such a bust that opiates can not do!

      if Russia was from ocean to ocean, it just turns out slim picturehow opiates got into it from China. Or vice versa, from Russia to China. Yes, in China, the ancient Slavs still built a wall, apparently, under the influence of the same opiates fellow (sarcasm)
      1. kalibr
        26 October 2017 16: 09
        +3
        Nikolay, I already wrote about this. There are a number of people who are very unhappy in their own way. I’ve gotten two knowledge, but I’ve gotten over it, but “my thoughts are spinning,” I’m a man who is not trembling, but ... the salary ... is that. The wife is sawing, the children do not respect, everyone laughs at VO ... hence the desire to prove everything to everyone. And comforted. Now, they say, it’s bad, but there was a time ... No matter what - the Holy USSR, Holy Russia, Arkaim, Kostenki - we were great, powerful, but the cunning "they" cheated on us. Known to you, Viktor Nikolaevich very well once recently described these powerful and cunning "they." In my opinion, you can’t say better. But therein lies the consolation - “they” are such, and I ... against them. Moreover, all the “onyms” do not give a damn about such people. This is where all this comes out of!
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 16: 50
          +3
          I’ve got two knowledge and got it, but “my thoughts are spinning”, I’m a man who is not trembling, but ... the salary ... that one. The wife is sawing, the children do not respect, everyone laughs at VO ... hence the desire to prove everything to everyone. And comforted. Now, they say, it’s bad, but there was a time ...

          I can still understand the holy USSR, but some pseudo-historical hypotheses of the ancient Slavs suggest that people are simply having fun. The form of trolling is such a sensation. request
          1. kalibr
            26 October 2017 17: 31
            +1
            Here he is. Sits on a pyramid, and on it is an inscription - "Scientists are hiding!"
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 17: 35
              +2
              Here he is. Sits on a pyramid, and on it is an inscription - "Scientists are hiding!"

              Vyacheslav Olegovich, doesn’t it seem to you that the design of this figurine was invented by a man who is a fan of, almighty moderators of sadomasochism forgive me? what
              For such things were used to knock evidence in full. Involuntarily you will become sad, sitting on like that! belay Oh Lord, poor Reptiloid! crying
              1. kalibr
                26 October 2017 22: 04
                +2
                This is sad for you, and that is high!
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 26 October 2017 22: 07
                  +2
                  but he’s “sad”! laughing
                  1. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Mikado
                    but he’s “sad”!

                    He himself was shocked by the pearls of his followers ... Probably did not think that he would go that far.
        2. Eight
          Eight 26 October 2017 17: 29
          +3
          Thanks for the compliment!
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 27 October 2017 05: 02
        +2
        Quote: Mikado
        Or vice versa, from Russia to China. Yes, in China, the ancient Slavs still built a wall, apparently, under the influence of the same opiates fellow (sarcasm)

        "Manchurian hemp" came from China. But seriously, there is a book by Chris Mann. Christer Jorgsen War in the Arctic. Combat operations of German troops in the Far North. 1939-1945
        http://booksee.org/book/759758
        This book will open eyes to many things, but there are two mistakes in this book: the book of WWI and the role of Finns and Swedes in WWI and WWII begin. Sometimes it seems that the main participants in that war are not Germans, but Finns and Swedes.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 27 October 2017 15: 47
          +1
          Sometimes it seems that the main participants in that war are not Germans, but Finns and Swedes.

          every sandpiper praises its swamp, nothing surprising. Remember the phrase after watching “Four Tankers and a Dog” - when Poles They took Berlin, the Russians also helped a little .. laughing Thanks for the link!
    2. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: kalibr
      .. we can say that Russia was then from ocean to ocean. But this is such an overkill as opiates can not do!

      Are we all on drugs? But archeology says it was so in reality. But you will never confess this, otherwise no one will admit publications! Understand.
      1. kalibr
        26 October 2017 16: 02
        +5
        Oh, how everything is running! Did the Russians dig the Pacific Ocean too? The wonderful Sad Reptiloid Award has now been approved. What else is there I will write. But you are right now a candidate for it! But the trouble is, it is given only to scientists. Even raving. To raving "interested" do not give anything.
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2017 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: kalibr
          The wonderful Sad Reptiloid Award has now been approved. But .. it is given only to scientists.

          I see you have already been trained to shit on the country in which you yourself live, therefore you are rightfully in the top lines of the table to be candidates for this award. I wish you success in this competition.
          1. kalibr
            26 October 2017 17: 26
            +2
            I Reptiloid does not shine in any way. Even the Nobel Prize is even closer ...
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 16: 12
          +3
          The wonderful Sad Reptiloid Award has now been approved. What else is there I will write. But you are right now a candidate for it! But the trouble is, it is given only to scientists. Even raving. To raving "interested" do not give anything.

          You're scaring me.. belay You mean, raving scientists are given out .. Dmitry depressed mood? crying that's what I think, where has he been lately .. what
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 26 October 2017 16: 25
            +4
            They are apparently what Together with the Doctor, they cooperated and worked in the sweat of their faces. recourse Is it easy to set up raving brains? So there is no both. request
            And who is to blame, the Aztecs. yes
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 16: 35
              +2
              together with the Doctor cooperated and work in sweat

              You scared me even more. How scary to live! belay
              And who is to blame, the Aztecs

              no, Caliber is personally to blame for the fact that he inspired them with a description of the Aztec customs laughing
              1. Eight
                Eight 26 October 2017 16: 55
                +3
                Or maybe they were banned?
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 26 October 2017 16: 58
                  +2
                  Or maybe they were banned?

                  Yes, well, they didn’t do anything like that, for what? laughing apparently there is no time. request although, given the fact that Reptiloid in the form of a prize give out the same sad, everything can be what
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 26 October 2017 22: 09
          +3
          You sacred do not catch! Everyone knows that the ancient Faet dug the Pacific Ocean!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 26 October 2017 22: 15
            +1
            I thought the ancient Slavs, under opiates (or hallucinogens), did not tear themselves away from the construction of the wall between them and other bare-chested horsemen. request
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 26 October 2017 23: 23
              +3
              And you ask VN and VO, they Kazantseva exactly read and confirm my thesis.
        4. Velizariy
          Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 42
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          Wandering "interested" do not give anything

          They give ... But they only suppress the symptoms.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 27 October 2017 13: 20
            +2
            They give ... But they only suppress the symptoms.

            "ahhh piles of medicines - we're on the toilet, who's not!" wink (V.S. Vysotsky)
            The triangle will be drunk, whether it is a parallelepiped, whether it is a circle, a louse is vigorous! soldier drinks
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 26 October 2017 21: 56
      +4
      Vyacheslav Olegovich! Do not understand the history - do not judge! These are not opiates, these are hallucinogens.
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 26 October 2017 14: 02
    17
    Article plus
    The author tried
    When you read about culture like that, you don’t feel like grabbing a gun wink
  10. kalibr
    26 October 2017 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: venaya
    But archeology says that it really was

    She just does not say anything about it. The dog is silent, like partisans in front of the Gestapo!
    1. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      The dog is silent, like partisans in front of the Gestapo!

      It’s necessary what sophisticated tortures you, members of the secret police, invented in relation to the researchers of antiquities, forbade them to publish their scientific research. Let me remind you: all this ugliness of yours has been going on for centuries, just since someone came up with such fanatic religious concessions, which have existed to the greatest and universal regret to this day.
      1. kalibr
        26 October 2017 17: 22
        +4
        I suggest you publish anywhere and anytime. And you tell me about some prohibitions.
        And torture ... torture - yes! We catch people like you, truly ambitious, and hang them by the hands in the basement. In the anus - a portable boiler. The current includes one of yours, the one who first apologizes. Then the remains are rolled into asphalt. And what do you think, where a lot of ufologists have gone missing lately. Here ... We decided to start with them, then the rest will reach the rest.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 October 2017 17: 44
          +5
          Then the remains are rolled into asphalt. And what do you think, where a lot of ufologists have gone missing lately.

          that's why I think why in our country asphalt is constantly sagging, and roads are always being repaired. what I, by naivety, used to think that it was from the theft of the great and crooked hands, but now I realized that this is personally the Caliber of associates (with a group of frantic associate professors, and even one corresponding correspondent has gotten into this vile gang of retrogrades!) ! laughing not only that progressive ufologists are fanatic, but also spoils the road! fellow Would you, perhaps, bury them in half with gravel, or else they’ll sag over time .. yes
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 26 October 2017 17: 50
            +3
            so also spoils the road!

            stop Not! They just have not yet learned how to roll it in high quality. But still to come! Learn! yes
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 26 October 2017 17: 55
              +4
              Not! They just have not yet learned how to roll it in high quality. But still to come!

              yes, indeed, after the profession of “public relations”, teacher, modeller, writer, journalist, the esteemed Caliber, well, just in a careless way has not yet mastered the profession of paver! am Vyacheslav Olegovich, you look! soldier put them smoother please! otherwise I sometimes feel sorry for the suspension! crying
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 October 2017 22: 20
            +3
            And I still think, something like hatches swell over the asphalt ?! So the identity is not just hatches, the identity of the lock chambers, the identity of the traitors to us breaking! And what are we ?, we are - all right, with their wheels, and in the asphalt! Every day at the Arsenal I give a couple of pieces.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 27 October 2017 00: 18
              +2
              Every day at the Arsenal I give a couple of pieces.

              I have more Southwest under the wheels ..
        2. Eight
          Eight 26 October 2017 18: 54
          +5
          Somehow everything is not thought out for you. There is a lack of an experienced organizer. The toolkit is picked up haphazardly, the boiler is completely non-functional in this case. Valuable organic material is allowed to impair road quality instead of improving crop yields. Paleolithic, and only.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 26 October 2017 20: 23
            +2
            here comes the engineer. Well, let's teach us how to dig. You will be the leader, Shpakovsky - the foreman (in a helmet, with a mustache and obscene language), Elena - for public relations, and dig .. I and Anton (3x3save) will dig! sad again, all three of you have money, labor is for us .. crying
            1. Eight
              Eight 26 October 2017 20: 30
              +4
              The responsibilities you have assigned are incorrect. With all due respect to Vyacheslav Olegovich, you cannot categorize him as a foreman.
              "The foreman supervises the construction on his site. The foreman ensures the fulfillment of tasks for putting objects into operation on time, organizes production, ensures compliance with safety standards and production technology, keeps track of completed work, prepares technical documentation, and participates in the commissioning of objects in operation, establishes masters production tasks for the volume of construction, installation and commissioning works, monitors their implementation.The person who has higher professional (technical) education and at least 3 years of work experience in construction is appointed as a work producer (foreman) or secondary vocational (technical) education and work experience in construction in engineering and technical positions for at least 5 years. "
              To entrust this entire complex to the deep humanities, of whom Shpakovsky is, to destroy the matter in the bud.
              His destiny is public relations, but under the control of Elena. I will combine the positions of leader and foreman. On digger posts - no objections.
              Our goals are clear, tasks are defined. To work, comrades!
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 26 October 2017 20: 35
                +2
                Our goals are clear, tasks are defined.

                "We are true to science, our goals are clear,
                Our thoughts are always pure.
                We were able to open a new world! Progress cannot be stopped!
                "
                Professor’s aria, musical "Vampire Ball", the finale. The professor sings an ode to himself and his conceit.
                secondary vocational (technical) education and work experience in construction in engineering and technical positions for at least 5 years

                judging by how many ufologists do not get in touch, his experience Yes.. fellow
                1. Eight
                  Eight 26 October 2017 20: 47
                  +3
                  I can not join your High praise. Firstly, Russian ufology is now in such an ass that making any other efforts to destroy it is extremely unproductive. And even if you take it, then you need to read from the main organizers.
                  Meanwhile, the head of the ufological commission of the Russian Geographical Society Mikhail Gershtein calmly gives out interviews and does not blow in his mustache.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 01
                    +1
                    Meanwhile, the head of the ufological commission of the Russian Geographical Society Mikhail Gershtein calmly gives out interviews and does not blow in his mustache.

                    But what, is there such a commission? in this society? belay after the photo (and not only) you can not explain anything to me. drinks There is such a profession - to play. You see, someone nails testicles and sets fire to doors, someone draws paintings with feces, someone keeps a cozy blazhik - like some “socialites” (Bozhena, for example, in half with obscenities) or some advisers to the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (so fat that they don’t fall into the photo lens, and obviously they didn’t hold anything heavier than their own nose), someone invents a story - any, from the “Icebreaker” to haplogroups and pyramids. fellow Moreover, when fooling around the brains of some audience in need of this, such individuals have big money! hi
                    that is, it is normal that the "lucky losers" and loafers (who have been ordered to enter decent homes) begin to carry nonsense to the masses, which a part of the population believes! Listeners - pleasure, this - profit! request
                    1. Eight
                      Eight 26 October 2017 21: 08
                      +3
                      ",,, and what, is there such a commission?"
                      There is, and even spreads its influence in your hometown.

                      “Alexey Sazhin from the window of his apartment on Dybenko Street saw a mysterious object and filmed it on film. He brought the cassette to the editor, and the whole team watched for half an hour how the flying object moved, changed shape and how pinkish mysterious faces flickered on the glowing turquoise screen” .
                      You have things flying over the city, but you have not seen.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 12
                        +2
                        to beat, beat, here I went to Kingisepp and Ust-Luga on the weekend, took pictures of nature and the remaining bunkers of the Kingisepp fortified area along the way, and here it is! belay Everything, my life went in vain! crying I will go .. flying glass I will see. drinks Lord Jesus, that only in the world does not disappear. It seems that I saw this Sazhin, when I went to the hospital a month ago, he was locked in a ward in the ward, as if it were violent. what
                      2. kalibr
                        26 October 2017 21: 55
                        +2
                        In the 80 years I made a flying saucer and on a fishing line from the balcony I “flew to it” over our Moskovskaya street. The photo was in the youth newspaper "Young Leninist". On 1 April. Everyone understood how to. But one called and said that he saw her too!
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 26 October 2017 23: 55
                        +2
                        We have a lot of things flying over the city in general, as well as walking in the streets and moving along the water. The place is ... mmm ... not easy. Many see, but few scream publicly. For the latter, there are two corresponding institutions.
                  2. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Eight
                    head of the ufological commission Russian geographical society Michael Gershtein
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 27 October 2017 13: 20
                      +1
                      the shortest Soviet joke to tell? wink
                      1. Velizariy
                        Velizariy 27 October 2017 15: 22
                        +1
                        We listen, in our case we read ... And so, the shortest Soviet joke: ...
              2. kalibr
                26 October 2017 21: 57
                +2
                Eight Here is a completely professional approach to business!
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 26 October 2017 23: 31
              +2
              Well it is !!! Dig me again !!!! I have the word "caterpillar" on my boots, can I pick the ground with my toe?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 October 2017 00: 11
                +2
                have to.. recourse they said - have to .. bury .. sad
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 26 October 2017 22: 31
            +3
            Vyacheslav Olegovich is soft, kind-hearted and prone to humanity. You won’t believe it, but in Penza they give migrant workers even a residence permit. And they let their serfs go to Moscow to earn money.
            1. kalibr
              27 October 2017 07: 40
              +2
              Yes, I know two such families. One is especially funny. The son, the eldest, spilled ... but he is loved by his fair-haired comrades, he is "his". Comes to mother - again "this"? Boil cabbage soup! In our school, such cabbage soup is delicious (for my taste g ... something else!). Shrovetide ... "Mom! Where are the pancakes? But I don’t know how ... Everyone will have pancakes, but I don’t? Will call my wife - teach to bake pancakes. This is exactly the case when people grow into a foreign culture. What else F. Cooper wrote in the novel “Surveyor.” But it happens that they do not grow ...
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 27 October 2017 20: 56
                0
                And I know two such serfs - Volya and Rodriguez laughing
      2. kalibr
        26 October 2017 22: 00
        +1
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  11. Operator
    Operator 26 October 2017 16: 48
    0
    "... the population of Crete by the male population was associated with people who are carriers of the Y chromosome haplogroup J2, and its maximum concentration is still observed in Crete. Well, its carriers have their roots in the western regions of Asia Minor, from where it carriers and moved to the island in the middle of 3 millennium BC. " - Vyacheslav, before beating the bells, it would be nice to look into the holy calendar.

    The haplotype of the inhabitants of Crete currently coincides with the average for Greece:
    - descendants of Hamites, immigrants from North Africa, haplogroup E1 27%;
    - descendants of the northern Semites, immigrants from Asia Minor, haplogroup J2 27%;
    - descendants of Illyrians, immigrants from Central Europe, haplogroup I 14%;
    - descendants of the Aryans, immigrants from the Northern Black Sea region, haplogroup R1a 12%;
    - descendants of the Celts, immigrants from Western Europe, haplogroup R1b 12%;
    - descendants of Caucasians, immigrants from the Caucasus, haplogroup G 3%.

    The first settlers in Crete were the Hamites, who also settled in the Balkans, the Mediterranean coast of the Middle East and Asia Minor, the islands of the Mediterranean Sea and the western coast of the Black Sea. Later, the Hamites were driven out from the Black Sea region (by the Aryans), the Middle East (southern Semites) and Asia Minor (northern Semites).
    Hamites of Crete maintained trade relations mainly with their relatives in Egypt.

    The Berber-speaking indigenous Hamites in mainland and island Greece were supplanted by Achaean Semites speaking the Indo-European language (since they were culturally assimilated by the Mitannian arias with the haplogroup R1a).
    Semites of the Cretans maintained trade relations mainly with their relatives in Asia Minor.

    During the Celtic conquest of Western Europe, Illyrians migrated to Greece, during the Achaean invasion, Caucasians living in the Chatal-Guyuk area.

    The mixed population of Greece (including Crete) was further diluted by the invasion of the Celtic Dorians, on which the formation of the ethnic composition of the country was completed.

    PS At the moment, European hamites dominate only in the composition of the population of Albania, Macedonia and Bulgaria.
  12. ruskih
    ruskih 26 October 2017 17: 17
    +2
    Archeological evidence also suggests that in the Minoan religion (as in other areas of life) women could play a dominant role.


    Vyacheslav Olegovich, why is it so modest in brackets or will it be in the next article? wink
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 October 2017 21: 28
      +1
      "You cannot live in the world without women, no!" love who else will brighten up our bearded hairy everyday life? winked
      1. ruskih
        ruskih 26 October 2017 22: 21
        +2
        who else will brighten up our bearded hairy everyday life?

        No, it seems everything was exactly the opposite.
    2. kalibr
      26 October 2017 21: 52
      +2
      In the following no. But there will be very interesting material about ... women. That's for sure!
  13. kalibr
    26 October 2017 17: 17
    +3
    Quote: Operator
    Vyacheslav, before beating the bells, it would be nice to look into the holy calendar.

    And I looked in. At once in two Wikipedia - ours and and British. And there is such data that I have in the article. And I don’t see any reason not to believe them. The same numbers came across to me in the section of the site on the history of the Minoan civilization of the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
    1. Operator
      Operator 26 October 2017 21: 11
      0
      Wikipedia in this matter in the furnace - look at Reformat.ru and you will be happy.

      The primary settlement of the coast and islands of the Mediterranean Sea with hamites is a common place in genealogical research of bone remains in this region.

      The Cretan linear letter A is of Hamitic (Egyptian, not Indo-European) origin.
      1. kalibr
        26 October 2017 21: 50
        +1
        British Wikipedia is recognized by a British court. Where does our government and the richest people in the world solve their problems? In a British court! So, recognize his competence. This means that the British Wikipedia is a reliable source of information, once its data is recognized by a British court. I won’t give a dead fly for information from our Russian sites. Therefore, do not hesitate to recommend them to me.
        1. Eight
          Eight 26 October 2017 22: 06
          +3
          An ambiguous statement, however.
        2. Operator
          Operator 26 October 2017 22: 20
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          British court recognizes British Wikipedia

          Good luck - British scientists write British Wiki.
          1. kalibr
            27 October 2017 07: 34
            +1
            Exactly! And scientists simply do not exist better! No wonder Marx went to London to work on his work.
            1. Eight
              Eight 27 October 2017 09: 35
              +3
              Again, a controversial statement. And the Jews will object at all.
              1. kalibr
                27 October 2017 11: 25
                +1
                Controversial does not mean wrong. And then - it means not scientists in general, but historians.
                1. Eight
                  Eight 27 October 2017 12: 55
                  +2
                  And it’s not easy with historians either. Enough to read Collingwood to see this.
                  1. kalibr
                    27 October 2017 13: 44
                    +2
                    I have not read Collingwood and do not know what he wrote. I read the 40 (!) Works of David Nicolas and, above all, his work “Armor and Weapons of the 1050 - 1350 Crusade Era” in two volumes on 800 pages each. There are also Thomas Richardson, Yong Heath and many others. Something I do not know equal in the volume of work of our historians.
                    1. Eight
                      Eight 27 October 2017 14: 06
                      +2
                      If applied to our discussion, he wrote the book "The Idea of ​​History." In general, he is an expert on ancient British history. But not about that. Here it is necessary to decide who we mean - national historical science as a whole or its individual representatives. And the fact that the British wrote a lot in detail about the armor and weapons of the Crusade era is how they wrote about their history. You are not surprised that Cherepnin or Yanin wrote a lot and in detail about the Novgorod birch bark letters, and British historians do not have such works?
                      1. kalibr
                        27 October 2017 18: 27
                        +2
                        Well, that’s understandable. And the Chinese write about their wall. The level of generalization, the presentation of information, its design is important. It’s nice to pick up their books on our history, and many of our books are decorated with black and white drawings, which you won’t even look without longing!
  14. kalibr
    26 October 2017 17: 28
    +3
    Quote: Mikado
    The form of trolling is such a feeling

    Or the victim of a drunken conception, a mother in childhood dropped her head - but you never know the reasons ...
    1. Velizariy
      Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 50
      +1
      Or maybe it's just what they accuse you of - earnings.
      1. kalibr
        27 October 2017 13: 39
        +1
        Yes, well - hardly? Who will pay that? And for what? I understand what MI-6 and the US State Department are paying me for. You see - each article glorifies the USA and England. And what do they glorify? Stupidity? So Erasmus has already written Praise of Nonsense ...
        1. Velizariy
          Velizariy 27 October 2017 15: 36
          +1
          They do not glorify ... And they just support and balamut "immature" minds, which are very many. The percentage of which is greater and when you consider that Ren TV is full of this, and even books are written and successfully sold, go to any book and make sure.
          Well, this is an option, everything can be of course much simpler, but judging by the manner of evading uncomfortable questions and arguments ... then he is trying to pile up them too, but these, when they are driven into a dead end, begin to bustle.
          1. kalibr
            27 October 2017 18: 24
            +1
            With all this that you wrote, I completely agree.
  15. Eight
    Eight 26 October 2017 21: 54
    +3
    Mikado,
    Probably in 1986 I was there too.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 October 2017 22: 17
      +3
      in what? in the insulator for violent? belay just lost the thread. request Yes, by the way, in the “farting house” I also slept once, it was a sin. recourse
      1. Eight
        Eight 26 October 2017 22: 20
        +3
        You can see more than one flying glass looked! In Kingisepp, bunkers looked!
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 27 October 2017 00: 14
          +3
          ahhh ... laughing No, the Lord is with you, I just lost the thread! hi Comment threw down! request there about bunkers, and about the Great Patriotic War - write a separate article, no less. yes Our land is long-suffering, nevertheless .. what
          You can see more than one flying glass looked!

          and you .. naughty man! wink drinks appreciated! good What is the sin of concealing, "the past is not good for the young man" wink
  16. Mikado
    Mikado 27 October 2017 15: 49
    +1
    Velizariy,
    damn, I will not tell. Anyone will be offended necessarily ..
  17. Operator
    Operator 27 October 2017 22: 28
    0
    Until the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC Hamites lived on the coast and islands of the Aegean Sea, including Crete, which had a primitive culture represented by archaic structures, ceramic sculptures and small livestock (sheep and goats)


    At the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC mainland Greece and the islands of the Aegean were conquered by the Achaeans - Northern Semites, who came from Asia Minor, previously assimilated linguistically and culturally by the Mitannian Aryans, who brought with them the Indo-Aryan language, Aryan culture, metallurgy, cattle (cows and horses), wall art painting and bronze sculpture, the cult of the bull


    In this regard, we can confidently say that the level of culture of the South Ural Aryans (wall paintings, bronze objects), which created the Country of cities in the same time period, was not lower than the culture of the Achaeans assimilated by their relatives.
  18. kalibr
    28 October 2017 12: 11
    0
    Quote: Operator
    In this regard, we can confidently

    If with confidence, then write about it in one of the refereed publications. It will be interesting what the experts say.
    1. Operator
      Operator 28 October 2017 13: 49
      0
      I just used logic (coincidence of cultural sources in time).
      I have no time to write in peer-reviewed publications: time is money laughing
      1. kalibr
        28 October 2017 19: 02
        0
        Logic, alas, often fails here. Scientific and technological progress in Nazi Germany was not supported by development in the field of culture. On the contrary ... and in the USSR, scientific and technical progress went on borrowing, but was accompanied by the highest rise of art and culture with a low standard of living.
        1. Operator
          Operator 28 October 2017 22: 59
          0
          The logic is different: the Achaean Knossos and the Aryan Arkaim grew out of one root - the culture of the Aryans of the northern Black Sea region.