RF in response to US sanctions may limit cooperation in space

The US Sanctions Policy Bill will provide for "painful" retaliation for Americans, among which may be a restriction of cooperation in space, a source in parliament said.

This law will only be something that Americans can not ignore. Such a toolkit is being prepared

- said the source agency.

According to him, the suspension of the flights of US astronauts to the ISS and the cessation of supplies of components for Boeing may be among the retaliatory measures. In several modifications of the Boeing aircraft, the share of Russian components can reach up to 70%, the agency source said.

You can simply recall the law already in force in our country, which is called “the law of Dima Yakovlev”. The new bill will be a systematic, comprehensive response to US sanctions

- stressed the source.

Last week, State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin spoke about the elaboration by the State Duma of the response to US sanctions.

Earlier, the chairman of the State Duma’s international affairs committee, Leonid Slutsky, also said that Russia could respond to US sanctions not only at the diplomatic level, but also at the legislative level. Earlier, Moscow, in response to the sanctions, decided to reduce the number of employees of the US diplomatic mission, reports RIA News.

Comments

[Logall]

Long overdue!
The less Americans fly into space, the more our launch vehicles will be used!
Again, their programs are slowed down ...

[79807420129]

It's time to do, not talk.

[Logall]

And also to bring down something more theirs with our decommissioned companion!
There have already been precedents ...

[79807420129]

Quote: Logall

And also to knock down something written by our decommissioned companion

Like he fell, we have nothing to do with it.

[Partyzan]

Quote: 79807420129

Like he fell, we have nothing to do with it.

Yes Yes

the American shuttle collided with a meteorite; Soviet meteorite crew received an award!

[Svarog51]

American shuttle collided with a meteorite

Interference on the right, it was necessary to watch.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Svarog51

Interference on the right

they don’t know this - they have traffic lights

[iConst]

You see, guys. Like:

If the regiment crowded here -
In the bickering would be a good thing,
Well, no - grab anyone,
Be he even a Bryansk wolf! ..

SGA is the largest consumer of aerospace products of a few advanced Russian industry.
What to do with RD-180 engines? How to finance the space industry, if there are American programs? And these are tens and hundreds of millions of Baku, so, for a second.
Yes, you can make a goat face Boeing on titanium. So he will be forced to buy titanium, albeit more expensive, in another place. The Chinese, I think, will be very happy. They will buy our titanium and resell it.

Yet again:

When the odds are at zero
Looking for gold and in ashes

And then the "satellite to bring down" ... Why, there - immediately across Phashington to fling a nuclear bomb - what a little thing ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: iConst

What’s there - right away on Phasington to fling a nuclear bomb - what’s the little things ...

so join the whole of Russia and become 51 states? what's the little thing?

[Titsen]

Quote: iConst

And these are tens and hundreds of millions of Baku, so, for a second.

I agree.

Drafts cannot be helped here - only with brains (think!) And calculation.

[Lelek]

Quote: Titsen

Drafts cannot be helped here - only with brains (think!) And calculation.

Hello and thank you. The first correct (IMHO) repost. It is necessary to think with a cold head and warn the opponent about the answer as it was done according to the deep scandal

or RT demarche

[Gransasso]

Quote: iConst

What to do with RD-180 engines? How to finance the space industry, if there are American programs?

RD-180 and so belongs to the Americans .. and besides them, no one can use them, including Roscosmos .. all documentation on the rd-180 is in the United States and after the contract will be destroyed

PS the last time the Audit Chamber checked Energomash-rd-180 was delivered to the USA at a loss to the enterprise

[SOF]

Quote: Gransasso

RD-180 and so belongs to the Americans .. and besides them, no one can use them, including Roscosmos .. all documentation on the rd-180 is in the United States and after the contract will be destroyed

... where did you manage to dig up this nonsense?

[Gransasso]

Quote: SOF

where did you manage to dig out this nonsense?

Have you been banned in google? ...


License to transfer RD-180 technology to the USA ends in 2030

10: 1609.09.2016 (updated: 11: 29 09.09.2016)

Rocket engines RD-180.

Archive photo
© AP Photo / Maxim Marmur

KUBIN, September 9 - RIA Novosti, Alexander Kovalev.

The current license agreement for the transfer to the United States of the production technology of Russian RD-180 engines is completed in 2030, after which the destruction of project documentation is envisaged, said Igor Arbuzov, director general of the Khimki NPO Energomash, in an interview with RIA Novosti ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gransasso

Quote: iConst

What to do with RD-180 engines? How to finance the space industry, if there are American programs?

RD-180 and so belongs to the Americans .. and besides them, no one can use them, including Roscosmos .. all documentation on the rd-180 is in the United States and after the contract will be destroyed

PS the last time the Audit Chamber checked Energomash-rd-180 was delivered to the USA at a loss to the enterprise

It is bad to be uneducated. RD-180 was developed by Russian enterprises on request, and with the money of the Americans. Since there is a law in the USA prohibiting the use of foreign equipment that is not American-made in important industries, a joint venture was formally organized to formally manufacture these engines, but on Russian territory, according to Russian documentation, on Russian equipment and from Russian materials. There are no equipment, stands, equipment and other ...
You can not imagine that there is documentation for such a complex product. For comparison, the weight of the documentation in one copy on the SU-27 aircraft is equal to the weight of the aircraft itself. This is approximately the same in space technology. And yet, in Russian, links to Russian standards, materials that are not there, and so on and so forth and so forth ....
You need to think, young man. Do not say such nonsense.

[Gransasso]

Old age is not a joy? ..


A brief chronology of the engine

January 13, 1996 - NPO Energomash was announced the winner of a competition for the development of a liquid-propellant rocket engine for the upgraded Atlas IIAR rocket company Lockheed Martin (USA).

June 5, 1996 - NPO Energomash and Pratt & Whitney signed a contract for the joint development and production of prototypes, testing and certification of the new Russian booster engine RD-180. On July 14, 1996, this contract entered into force after receiving the approval of the relevant government departments of the Russian Federation.

November 15, 1996 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket, developed for the first stage of the American Atlas IIAR LV, was conducted at the stand of NPO Energomash in Khimki.

July 29, 1998 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket as part of the Atlas III LV stage of the Lockheed Martin company at the stand of the Marshall Center in Huntsville, USA.

January 2, 1999 - the first production RD-180 engine was shipped to the United States.

March 31, 1999 - completion of certification tests of RD-180 LPRE.

May 24, 2000 - the first launch of the Atlas 3A launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

2001 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

2002 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the heavy version of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

February 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 3V launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

August 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

September 27, 2002 - a license agreement was signed to export to the USA a complete set of design, technological and test documentation for the RD 180 engine.

December 4, 2002 - licenses for the export of a complete set of technical documentation for the RD 180 engine under a license agreement were obtained.



May in your days, the king of peas and there were mountains of papers ... now there are enough flash drives ....

[44Serega44]

Yes, you can make a goat face Boeing on titanium. So he will be forced to buy titanium, albeit more expensive, in another place. The Chinese, I think, will be very happy. They will buy our titanium and resell it.
Yes, it’s not in Titan but in the products from it that are made in Russia

[japs]

Before you count money for RD180, titanium, etc., Dear, you should refuse to place yours in government bonds of Matrasia, sell already bought ones, and invest these trillions of rubles in your space and defense industry, but not private, but public. Our liberal government is curling around the military-industrial complex with intentions to seize the remnants of state property.
And listen less to the stories of various Slutsk, Moscow, Bobruisk. They will promise one thing, and they will do something completely different. That's why they are "lawyers".

[iConst]

Quote: japs

Before you count money for RD180, titanium, etc., Dear, you should refuse to place yours in government bonds of Matrasia, sell already bought ones, and invest these trillions of rubles in your space and defense industry, but not private, but public. Our liberal government is curling around the military-industrial complex with intentions to seize the remnants of state property.
And listen less to the stories of various Slutsk, Moscow, Bobruisk. They will promise one thing, and they will do something completely different. That's why they are "lawyers".

Someone you're sour with soft and purple in one pile ...

[Svarog51]

Well, let the traffic lights set in space themselves. "Meteorite-7" do not care - it's uncontrollable.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Logall

And also to bring down something more theirs with our decommissioned companion!
There have already been precedents ...

Sighting. They will not understand, there will be a volley.

[Jedi]

Vlad, where money is involved (and not small), there will always be opponents of such measures who do not want to lose the influx of hard currency in your pocket.

[79807420129]

Quote: Jedi

there will always be opponents of such measures who do not want to lose the influx of hard currency in your pocket

And so it will be but in words we’ll show everyone .... concern. They only forget that Lavrov was not Gromyko, who, if he expressed concern, half of the world hastily hid under the bench, the other half of the world pretended that they had nothing to do with it.

[Jedi]

Quote: 79807420129

They just forget that Lavrov is not Gromyko

That's right!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Jedi

Vlad, where money is involved (and not small), there will always be opponents of such measures who do not want to lose the influx of hard currency in your pocket.

Or loot, or they’ll be using the table all the time. Choose vibrant or honored country ..

[forester]

Quote: 79807420129

It's time to do, not talk.

A statement by an official of such a level is not an empty phrase, it’s not a shameful hysteria of the jerk off of you - they will do it, though it seems that very sharp corners will bypass.

[SRC P-15]

RF in response to US sanctions may limit cooperation in space

Our best answer would be to launch our own space station! And let the United States fly on its own. In a dream.

[Jedi]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

In a dream.

Or in Hollywood.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Jedi

Or in Hollywood.

On the dish!

[Jedi]

And what - there are "flying saucers" in Hollywood, so why not make a "flying dish"? With Olivier salad, for example.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Jedi

With Olivier salad, for example.

And face them in this salad!

[Jedi]

I specifically did not finish my thought in anticipation of just such an answer! I propose to get acquainted and switch to "you", Maxim to call me, it’s better to just Max.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Jedi

I propose to get acquainted and switch to "you", Maxim to call me, it’s better to just Max.

I agree Max, my name is Alexander!

[Pete mitchell]

And in some places this salad is called Russian ...

[Jedi]

And you have the honor to live in one of the countries where it is called that.

[Svarog51]

Pete, my respect

And in some places this salad is called Russian ...

There is one caveat: in the salad the weakest sleep, the most persistent sleep in the dessert. Well, and who bothers to name the Napoleon cake Russian? Olivier did not invade Russia, so he was renamed.

[papas-57]

`` There is one caveat: in the salad the weakest sleep, the most persistent sleep in the dessert. '' The most persistent run for new bubbles. While the weak are sleeping, there are fewer tails.

[Svarog51]

The most persistent run for new bubbles. While the weak are sleeping, there are fewer tails.

Also a good version.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Our best answer would be to launch our own space station! And let the United States fly on its own. In a dream.

Comment of the day. + 100

[Anarchist]

And I thought that the Major General only + 40!
Like Americans directly, double standards ...
Well, nothing, we’ll deal with space and double standards too ...

[japs]

Our ISS module is already flying. Expand and complete it, previously undocked from the mattress.

[Dedall]

But the "Mir" under Putin has already burned. I did not want to find 600 million to lift the orbit. Or ordered him to "not want"?

[Sharansky]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And let the US fly on its own. In a dream.

at this pace, Russia will remain without a place at the lunar station

[Major Yurik]

Like in childhood - "Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done!"
Better - "A man said a man did!" We will see!

[Logall]

One comedian said that `` the man said, the man did '' - this is a saying about two different men ...
One said! -Waiting for the second, Who will do ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: Logall

Long overdue!

agree

[stolz]

Ah, everything is just promises, but nothing concrete is being done. They would take an example from the Americans, as they purposefully smear Russia with shit and trample it in the mud. If they had entrusted this matter to Zhirinovsky, he was no worse than McCain and would have done very well with the “scum”.

[japs]

Mr. Stoltz, you can’t Zhirika, he is very drifting in the corners. We will be worse!

[Esoteric]

Quote: Logall

Long overdue!

If you read the headline:

RF in response to US sanctions can limit space collaboration

,
then the keyword is "maybe" ...

[Logall]

Then:
Maybe it's time!

[Scoun]

Quote: Logall

Long overdue!
The less Americans fly into space, the more our launch vehicles will be used!

Well, as they say - do not consider the enemy as stupider than yourself. This is how Pushkov does not see logic in the actions of the United States, but this does not mean that it is not there.

Moscow. October 18th. INTERFAX.RU - Astronaut Thomas Stafford said that in the spring of this year on the Soyuz spacecraft, on which three people were returning to Earth, there was a depressurization at the final stage of the launch, Space News reported on Wednesday.
“The staple (parachute — IF) hit the weld, and the result was depressurization — part of the air left the capsule,” Stafford said at a meeting of the Advisory Board of the United States Aerospace Agency NASA. It is noted that the incident occurred at an altitude of 8 km above the Earth's surface. Later, when the ship sank to 5 km, the valve opened and the pressure returned to normal.
According to Stafford, the case did not pose a threat to the crew’s life, but questioned the reliability of Russian spacecraft.

Well, how is the question of the comrade?

[Krabik]

There is a saying, "It’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off."

Trampolines for amers will have to wait a while. they have already developed, made and fly new missiles to the ISS.

[79807420129]

Quote: Krabik

they have already developed, made and fly new missiles to the ISS.

Tell me, when did the flight of the new US rocket to the ISS take place? I probably missed something? Py Sy Ilona Mask does not offer.

[Krabik]

We flew more than once during the year, search for more.

And already enough Kiselevschina breed and clone the "Star" about having no analogues in the world%)

[79807420129]

Quote: Krabik

We flew more than once during the year,

Well, dear man, bring the facts, and you’ll be using a woman or glass wool, facts to the studio, please, everyone knows how to use the search engine.

Quote: Krabik

Enough already Kiselevschina breed and clone the "Star" about having no analogues in the world%)

Take care of the nerves, they do not recover when there is nothing to say, insults begin. So, facts in the studio, please, do not offer Ilona Mask either. Nobody offers you any stars that do not have analogies in power, so I ask sir.

[Krabik]

Here was a detailed comment, where I gave a list of flights of the Dragon family ships to the ISS since 2012.

There were 12 of them, and according to the list of flights, it becomes clear that the United States is completely independent in space from the Russian Federation.

The Dragon B2 family ship has already been developed for the flight of astronauts, the first launch is planned at the end of 2017 without astronauts.

A manned flight is scheduled for May 2018.

Further, I showed an example of the Federation ship, which has been rasping Roscosmos since 2009 and has not done anything so far, except for a cardboard box for exhibitions.

From all this, a simple conclusion can be made, the State Duma is pushing the law to strangle Roscosmos and transferring manned flights to the office of Ilon Mask by corrupt deputies.

[79807420129]

Quote: Krabik

Here was a detailed comment, where I gave a list of flights of the Dragon family ships to the ISS since 2012.

Now another thing, and be kind without nerves to answer, you are not rude.

[Krabik]

Here I completely agree with you.

I will also give an example of an analogue of the hated Ilon Mask with our local Ilon.

The golden boy Misha Prokhorov never worked and did nothing himself;)
I started an excellent project "E Mobile" (he hardly thought of it, advised or cloned it from Mask), which had already scored more than enough pre-orders.

The car was almost ready and our golden boy scored on her.
Unlike Ilona, ​​who himself earned money in virtual currencies and invested in Tesla and SpasH.
Now Ilon is already entering Trump and receiving orders from NASA and the whole world for launches.

Hollywood made the film "Iron Man", which shows similarities with Ilon and his offices.

He opened a monstrously complex project to populate Mars in scanty terms on such a scale and does something.

Opens gigafactories for the production of teslamobile.

Where our iron man Misha Prokhorov I do not know, but obviously he does not open factories.

These are the pies%)

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

Here I completely agree with you.

I will also give an example of an analogue of the hated Ilon Mask with our local Ilon.

The golden boy Misha Prokhorov never worked and did nothing himself;)
I started an excellent project "E Mobile" (he hardly thought of it, advised or cloned it from Mask), which had already scored more than enough pre-orders.

The car was almost ready and our golden boy scored on her.
Unlike Ilona, ​​who himself earned money in virtual currencies and invested in Tesla and SpasH.
Now Ilon is already entering Trump and receiving orders from NASA and the whole world for launches.

Hollywood made the film "Iron Man", which shows similarities with Ilon and his offices.

He opened a monstrously complex project to populate Mars in scanty terms on such a scale and does something.

Opens gigafactories for the production of teslamobile.

Where our iron man Misha Prokhorov I do not know, but obviously he does not open factories.

These are the pies%)

Both from our Ilon, and from your Ilon little use. From our harm less than from yours. You were disfigured by life in the USSR, a lot of plans, from this you have ceased to distinguish plans from reality. Your Ilon has a result - billions of budget cuts, using NOT HIS results in space, automotive, rocket science and more. Two secondary missile flights were implemented, moreover, with an annual break, during which everything that was possible and impossible was replaced. It seems to you that this is reusable. I do not think so. Who is right? Vacuum transport has not been implemented, the flight to Mars has not been implemented, the project of a home power station with energy return to the network has not been implemented, the space Internet project has not been implemented, the underground metro project has not been implemented, when a passenger is transported in his own car from the landing point to the landing point. So where is revolutionism? Pyramids, and noodles on the ears of people like you, dropouts. Not Prokhorov, but Mavrod, twin brothers.

[Krabik]

Do not confuse the projects implemented by Mask and his proposals for the implementation of projects.

As they say - these are 2 big differences;)

Here's the progress on Hyperloop:
From RT engine test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sp9o827uhc

Here is the site where they build it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4pOCNnsII
But here you need to know the language of the host;)

Here is the opening of the Mask gigafactory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4-egkfhLZo&t
= 347s

Here is the finished Dragon2, which they are experiencing and it will fly this year to the ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJfrr3_aqlk

And here is the Federation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGr26nWRY-A
There still the horse did not roll;)

Now you can compare who steals where more and to whom most of all hung noodles on the ears ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

Do not confuse the projects implemented by Mask and his proposals for the implementation of projects.

As they say - these are 2 big differences;)

Here's the progress on Hyperloop:
From RT engine test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sp9o827uhc

Here is the site where they build it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4pOCNnsII
But here you need to know the language of the host;)

Here is the opening of the Mask gigafactory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4-egkfhLZo&t
= 347s

Here is the finished Dragon2, which they are experiencing and it will fly this year to the ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJfrr3_aqlk

And here is the Federation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGr26nWRY-A
There still the horse did not roll;)

Now you can compare who steals where more and to whom most of all hung noodles on the ears ...

Not plans and construction sites are evaluated, but launched into space, launched in a vacuum, launched in the subway, launched in the national economy, in science and in armaments. Collecting batteries from other people's finger cells is, of course, an achievement. Cramming them 7,5 thousand into each battery. And hanging guarantees for idiots over their ears for many years of operation (8 years), when the manufacturer of "fingers" gives a guarantee of three (!!!) years. "Achievement" when a car is sold only on pre-orders. (ignoramuses don’t understand that this is borrowed money, and, bypassing the banking system, taxation and interest payments for the use of the loan. The buyer-sucker waits up to three years. Mask cut off the maintenance of his cars in other than his service centers, does not sell spare parts, and doesn’t serve cars bought in the secondary market, only such cars may be delighted. Congratulations on the lack of brains.

[Krabik]

I feel your heartache my young Padawan;)

[papas-57]

This Elon Mask would go to Russia. Our inspection bodies would quickly leave it, not only without money, but also without pants.

[Zveruga]

Duck he has no money. He at the last presentation of 10 billion from investors on Mars asked. In general, a lot of what he "did" was paid by investors, including foreign ones, who were painted with a beautiful picture and promised with three boxes. All this is done to increase the value of shares and sell them at a higher price, and then how it goes.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

Here was a detailed comment, where I gave a list of flights of the Dragon family ships to the ISS since 2012.

There were 12 of them, and according to the list of flights, it becomes clear that the United States is completely independent in space from the Russian Federation.

The Dragon B2 family ship has already been developed for the flight of astronauts, the first launch is planned at the end of 2017 without astronauts.

A manned flight is scheduled for May 2018.

Further, I showed an example of the Federation ship, which has been rasping Roscosmos since 2009 and has not done anything so far, except for a cardboard box for exhibitions.

From all this, a simple conclusion can be made, the State Duma is pushing the law to strangle Roscosmos and transferring manned flights to the office of Ilon Mask by corrupt deputies.

If you are so smart, tell me how many astonauts enter the Dragon ship? There is an emergency rescue system on this miracle, and is there a certificate for (HORROR !!!) emergency use of it to rescue astronauts if it is necessary to immediately remove them from orbit? Or do you think we are idiots, because we ALWAYS dock as many of our Unions as are enough for such an operation and to remove ALL from the emergency station?

[Krabik]

All materials are on the Internet. Why should I copy them here?

I will only say my thoughts on this matter.
In Dragon2 there are 7 seats, the capsule itself is the emergency rescue of astronauts from the ISS in the same way as the docked Unions.

Only Unions of the Gagarin era, and Dragon2 since 2014%)

Deputies on time podsyulilis propose to impose sanctions on flights to the ISS.

But why such an annoying coincidence with the finished Dragon2 ?!

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

All materials are on the Internet. Why should I copy them here?

I will only say my thoughts on this matter.
In Dragon2 there are 7 seats, the capsule itself is the emergency rescue of astronauts from the ISS in the same way as the docked Unions.

Only Unions of the Gagarin era, and Dragon2 since 2014%)

Deputies on time podsyulilis propose to impose sanctions on flights to the ISS.

But why such an annoying coincidence with the finished Dragon2 ?!

There are plans. There are no realities. Shut up,.

[Krabik]

Dragons have been delivering cargo to the ISS since 2012.
The manned Dragon2 is ready and is undergoing tests.
Missile SLS is being tested.
Teslamobiles ride around Moscow.
US ships fly to Mars, Saturn, crawl around the planets and watch their space telescopes in deep space.

And we have a Federation in the form of a wooden layout.
And the old Gagarin Union.
The Mars500 project has turned into a series where a bunch of men are sitting in a bank and rubbing lyashki.

The launch on Phobos with a shame failed, having died in orbit with Chinese components.

Here we have such a heartache my brother%)

[Zveruga]

You are not my brother to me, and we have no mental pain. The Americans were forced to increase the number of engines purchased from us, as well as places in the Gagarin Union. Spectrum-R perfectly fulfills its program, remote sensing satellites are functioning. And the Federation is in the form of aluminum and in the form of a carbon composite. SLS is just the outdated Space Shuttle technology.

[Dmitry Voronin]

Are you a science fiction demagogue? Tell me about the first 7 heroes astronauts who ventured to fly on this trash. Why trash - look at the declared performance characteristics / Real / accident. There are no manned flights on the Dragons and will not be in the foreseeable future. You can plan (fantasize) anything. Moreover, tell me about at least one really working (completed) project of this individual (Mask). Electric cars do not mention. They were without him. For your information, Americans have already "landed" on the moon 6 times (out of 7 flights). AND? Where is the proof? Why does Musk immediately look at Mars, and not tell the moon? After all, working out the landing on Mars under the conditions of the Lunar Station would be much more reasonable than doing everything from 0. And after all like Americans landed ... So what's the problem there? Ilon can not answer a single question with specifics, only about "... ships plowing the cosmic expanses ...". This applies to Ilona scams and the possibilities of the United States in space. They are stupidly not. From the word at all. You still ask him why all his ideas are too similar to the unrealized developments of the USSR. Even his fans can’t answer. So, if you are such a lover of Hollywood, then do not post nonsense here - yours are science fiction forums. PS And to compare "Dragons" with "Unions" in terms of development time can only be an absolute layman. Remind you of the Shuttle project and its accident rate? And how many astronauts died. Actually, that's why they abandoned him. And to listen to you - here each start will be +7 corpses.

[Krabik]

Too much empty talk babe.

Dragons since 2012 fly to the ISS.
And on Teslamobiles even Alexander Lukashenko rode.
You can watch the presentation of the opening of the gigafactory on the Internet.

Although I’m already like you in the comments about 10 times already put everything on the shelves.

[reservist]

they have already developed, made and fly new missiles to the ISS.

If Russia dismantles its part of the ISS, then the Americans will have nowhere to fly for a long time.

[Krabik]

Alas and oh, our part of the station has long become insignificant and old.
Already many countries have docked new modern modules.

Please remind, when did Roscosmos last update or dock modern modules to the ISS ?!

[reservist]

our part of the station has long become insignificant and old

Especially since it’s time to dispose of it. At least some good.
And spend the money on another project.

[Krabik]

Fly tear off your piece of the station from the ISS, who's stopping you?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

Fly tear off your piece of the station from the ISS, who's stopping you?

Decency and fidelity to contracts. But the cup of patience can overflow!

[Krabik]

There is no patience, we have nothing to offer the United States in space, we are at the bottom.

If we shit at the international station, we will become outcasts.

And the Americans with great pleasure to push us there;)

[MoJloT]

They have their own engines on the way, so here who will send faster, or they us or we them.

[Krabik]

They don’t have any engines on the way, here’s a video where Elon Musk explained it very clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNu2x_kWzc4

But the same thing is shown by specialists from NASA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mq_3nIsEus

So they definitely hit;)

[MoJloT]

The only logical answer why they have not yet launched the production of analogues of our engines is that it is not advisable.

[MoJloT]

The American private company Blue Origin introduced the first working model of the BE-4 rocket engine (Blue Engine 4) - a replacement for the Russian RD-180. Two more power plants are on the way. Customer - ULA (United Launch Alliance), a joint venture of aerospace giants Lockheed Martin and Boeing. The head of the company Jeff Bezos posted a couple of pictures of the new unit on Twitter. About plans Blue Origin tells Lenta.ru.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

They don’t have any engines on the way, here’s a video where Elon Musk explained it very clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNu2x_kWzc4

But the same thing is shown by specialists from NASA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mq_3nIsEus

So they definitely hit;)

The engine on the stand is far from the engine in orbit even farther than you are to Karaganda in Mongolia.

[Krabik]

I understand your heartache.

But the SLS rocket is made by NASA to fly to Mars and it really does!

SpaceX trucks regularly fly to the ISS and make engines for themselves, and our RD-180s didn’t run against them.

This year, it is planned to launch ready-made Dragon2 spacecraft on the ISS.

But our Rogozins, Prokhorovs, and Chuyaysys pulled the entire budget of Roskosmos and there is a real chance to stay on the ground

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Krabik

I understand your heartache.

But the SLS rocket is made by NASA to fly to Mars and it really does!

SpaceX trucks regularly fly to the ISS and make engines for themselves, and our RD-180s didn’t run against them.

This year, it is planned to launch ready-made Dragon2 spacecraft on the ISS.

But our Rogozins, Prokhorovs, and Chuyaysys pulled the entire budget of Roskosmos and there is a real chance to stay on the ground

Now, when they finally bring their carriers to mind and certify for crew flights, you will see that the mass-traction characteristics will fall, and significantly. For a man is not a doll and will not withstand those loads on takeoff and landing. Let's see how Musk will then trump his cheapness ..... And reliability.

[Gransasso]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Now, when they finally bring their carriers to mind and certify for crew flights, you will see that the mass-traction characteristics will fall, and significantly. For a man is not a doll and will not withstand those loads on takeoff and landing. Let's see how Musk will then trump his cheapness ..... And reliability.

Vangue in old age? ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Gransasso

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

Now, when they finally bring their carriers to mind and certify for crew flights, you will see that the mass-traction characteristics will fall, and significantly. For a man is not a doll and will not withstand those loads on takeoff and landing. Let's see how Musk will then trump his cheapness ..... And reliability.

Vangue in old age? ...

I am a professional, unlike you. It’s you who look at the essence of Karo’s cards.

[Krabik]

People need to be judged by deeds, not chatter on TV.

He has already launched a giant automobile production in the United States and is already supplying them to the Russian Federation.
Designed cargo teslamobiles.

Trucks have been flying the ISS since 2012.

Secondary missile launches have already been implemented.

Other projects for flying to Mars or hyperloop - you don’t need to click a telly from the sofa with the buttons.
But we see their embodiment in metal and testing.

In our country, besides chatter, I see little in space.
They built a new spaceport for old unions, but they can’t finish the Angara.
Protons fall periodically and their successful launches are not as good as before.
We are losing rapidly commercial launches.
And stupid deputies propose to ban NASA astronauts.
And this is just the end of the Dragon2 test, well, is it not a coincidence%)

[Zveruga]

SLS uses engines from the Space Shuttle program. That is, space flights are not supposed to be very cheap.

[MoJloT]

The founder of the private space company Blue Origin, the creator of the American rocket engine replacing the Russian RD-180, Jeff Bezos announced the success of the first fire tests.

"The first firing tests of our BE-4 engine were successful. A huge achievement for the entire BlueOrigin team, and a very important step!" - Bezos wrote on Twitter, posting a video of the "burning" on the ground stand.

As previously reported, the BE-4 is being built for use on Blue Origin's New Glenn missile, as well as the new Vulcan launch vehicle under development by the United Launch Alliance (ULA). According to the plans published on the company's website, the BE-4 is to receive a flight certificate in 2017 and is still the only American rocket engine that can be ready in 2019 before the deadline prescribed by the US Congress to abandon the Russian RD-180.

[Blackmokona]

It may or may not. Let's do business, not reasoning

[pvv113]

limitation of space cooperation

Earlier, the question was raised about the transition of Americans to trampolines.

[Stas157]

Quote: pvv113

Earlier, the question was raised about the transition of Americans to trampolines.

But yesterday they perceived this in a rebuke to Rogozin. As soon as they did not laugh at the Rogozin trampolines! Something I do not see hater comments towards Rogozin!

[pvv113]

It was then necessary to cover the road to space for the United States

[Blackmokona]

So the United States has eaten up almost the entire market for commercial launches.

[Krabik]

Americans have already developed rockets for space flights of people and now they are circled on flights to the ISS.

Failure to take amers to the station and receive money for it will look like dog barking on a caravan.

If you already impose sanctions against them, then only beneficial RF!

[aszzz888]

According to him, the response could include the suspension of US astronaut flights to the ISS and the cessation of supplies of components for Boeing.

... yeah, and shut off the titanium "valve" to them - they will conquer right away ... this is the only way to answer, and not to rasp about democracy ...

[Rostislav]

This is unlikely to be done, because in response, they may stop servicing their aircraft, and this is a transport collapse. After all, we successfully killed our aircraft manufacturing.

[72jora72]

in response, they may stop servicing their aircraft, and this is a transport collapse. After all, we successfully killed our aircraft manufacturing.

Well then, maybe there will be a reason to finally restore it ??

[Krabik]

If we compare the projects of the T-50 aircraft, T-14 tank, Federation ship, then we will be without civil aviation for a very long time.

I don’t care, I don’t fly, so you can impose sanctions on titanium ...

[zivXP]

Russian titanium is simply cheaper. But there are other suggestions. But our possible interruptions with spare parts is already serious.

[reservist]

Russian titanium is simply cheaper

shut off the titanium "valve"

The titanium production market is quite closed. As a rule, countries producing a large amount of metal themselves are its consumers.
 The leading manufacturing country is China. The country has maximum reserves of titanium ores. Of the 18 well-known titanium sponge factories, 9 are located in China.
Second place is Japan. Interestingly, in the country only 2-3% of the metal is spent on the aerospace sector, while the rest is used in the chemical industry.
 The third place in the world in the production of titanium is occupied by Russia and its many factories. Then follows Kazakhstan.
USA is the next producer country in the list, consumes titanium in the traditional way: the aerospace industry uses 60–75% of titanium
Titanium production is a technologically complex, expensive, time-consuming and harmful process.
In the USA, the largest consumers of the Russian sponge are RMI Titanium, which in the recent past left its production of sponge titanium due to environmental hazards manufactured by Axel Johnson, Wyman-Gordon, Titanium Heart Technologies
Despite the "environmental harm" Russian titanium is cheaper.
Dumping. Till!

[reservist]

For example, in the latest generation fighters, titanium alloys account for up to half the weight of the aircraft.
In a passenger liner - up to a third. For example, in Boeing 777 - 59 tons of titanium, in the Airbus A380 - 146 tons, including 26 tons in engines.
From 40 to 60% of this metal is Russian production

[Gransasso]

Quote: reservist

For example, in the latest generation fighters, titanium alloys account for up to half the weight of the aircraft.
In a passenger liner - up to a third. Say, in a Boeing 777 - 59 tons of titanium, in an Airbus A380 - 146 tons, including 26 tons in engines.
From 40 to 60% of this metal is Russian production

Che then you have accelerated .. these are A-380 engines ....

The GP7200 engine is the new aircraft engine turbofan engine manufactured by the Engine Alliance.



Characteristics GP7270

Overview

Type: Dual-circuit turbofan

Length: 4,74 m

Diameter: 3,16 m, fan edge 2,96 m

Dry weight: 6712 kg



Do you want to say that these engines are completely made of titanium? ....



PS titanium semi-finished products are not created by a Russian company ... but jointly with Boeing ... on Western equipment and technologies naturally .... from Russian there is only slave power ... they are just what semi-finished products, final processing is done in the USA .... .all raw materials for titanium production in Russia are imported ... there are dozens of companies producing titanium parts in the world ...


Try to combine all these facts together

[reservist]

This is not what I came up with. This is from the article.
http://www.autoforum.pro/showthread.php?t=139533

[Gransasso]

Quote: reservist

This is not what I came up with. This is from the article.
http://www.autoforum.pro/showthread.php?t=139533

Mdaaa .. This is not even an article .. this is a comment of some nameless user on some forum .. and all the other gigatons of titanium are just as reliable as about motors ... and you rush into this embrasure ...

[reservist]

this is a comment of some nameless user on some forum

This user copied the article from another source, more serious than himself.
http://argumenti.ru/economics/n335/170133

[Gransasso]

Quote: reservist

This user copied the article from another source, more serious than himself.

RUSSIAN TITAN CONQUERS SKY

Vladimir Kalinin

Tags: all, aviation, industry

On the 7th day of the 8th day of the 7th month, Boeing introduced its new product to the world - the Boeing-787, for which more than forty of the largest airlines in the world have already lined up. But the Russians will have priority in acquiring a new superliner. And this is fair. Indeed, as Jim Morris, the aircraft’s general designer, said earlier, the key elements for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner were developed at the Moscow Boeing Center, where 787 Russian engineers work. According to Mr. Morris, Russian engineers designed elements of the nose of the fuselage, engine mount pylons, as well as the front edge of the wings, slats and elements of the titanium chassis structure. The Russian company VSMPO-AVISMA became the supplier of titanium elements for the Boeing 300 design. “This aircraft 787% of its weight consists of Russian titanium,” - said Mr. Morris. In other words, it is half Russian in titanium structures, since the total share of this metal in the aircraft reaches 10 percent.


Check your sources carefully ...

[reservist]

in the Airbus A380 - 146 tons, including 26 tons in engines

The A-380 has four engines and pylons. This is what the author meant.

[Gransasso]

Listen ... the weight of A-380-280 tons is EMNIP ... the share of titanium products is 20%. The deposits are 40%. Of these "titanium"% the share of Russian titanium is about half. 10% of the total mass .. about 28 tons per the whole plane ..... well, from where 26 tons only for engines and 140 tons for the whole plane ....

[Scoun]

Quote: reservist

Despite the "environmental harm" Russian titanium is cheaper.
Dumping. Till!

It is not entirely true about dumping, Russia has the technology of producing particularly durable titanium, (titanium itself is brittle).

[reservist]

titanium itself is brittle

Titanium is inconvenient in processing, because it is very viscous and sticks to the cutting tool
http://stankiexpert.ru/stanki/tokarnye/obrabotka-
titana-na-tokarnom-stanke.html

[Scoun]

Quote: reservist

titanium itself is brittle

Titanium is inconvenient in processing, because it is very viscous and sticks to the cutting tool
http://stankiexpert.ru/stanki/tokarnye/obrabotka-
titana-na-tokarnom-stanke.html

Quote: reservist

Firstly, it’s an alloy of titanium,

Well, that's right, Russia makes the best alloy of titanium a (we just say titanium and titanium all the way) titanium itself is brittle!

Is titanium an alloy or a metal? This question interests many. In 1910, the American chemist Hunter first received pure titanium. The metal contained only 1% of impurities, but at the same time its amount was negligible and did not make it possible to further study its properties. The plasticity of the obtained substance was achieved only under the influence of high temperatures, under normal conditions (room temperature) the sample was too fragile. - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/165275/titan---metall-svoyst
va-titana-primenenie-titana-marki-i-himicheskiy-s
ostav-titana

[reservist]

Russia possesses technology for producing extremely durable titanium

Firstly, it’s an alloy of titanium,
Secondly, this is the scientific work of Kostroma State University
to create new material, which in the future may become the basis for creating neurocomputer.
For the production of an aircraft, it will not work; for an aircraft computer, yes.
But this is still in the future ...

[Dezinto]

That would be just five points!

Like to laugh while filming inept stupid Russians in the movies? On those, get, figs you are an American where you fly without this stupid inept Russian !!!

[aszzz888]

Dezinto Today, 12: 09Fig you are an American where you fly without this stupid inept Russian !!!

... yes they have an option - on a trampoline, on the advice of Rogozin ...

[Krabik]

Follow the news not only from Solovyov and Keselyov.

Americans have already made rockets for flight to the ISS and are flying already.

The refusal to carry the Americans to the station is a huge bonus to Ilon Mask, who is just waiting for this stupidity.

[aszzz888]

Today, follow the news to bring Americans to the station is a huge bonus to Ilon Mask, who is just waiting for this stupidity.

Etc. watching... something I didn’t see a single merikasovka rocket WITH THE EXPLOITING OF THE CREW on the ISS ... even if they could themselves - they broke the contract for a long time ... capitalists can count money

[Krabik]

That's exactly what they can count !!!

Sending through Roscosmos already according to the established scheme of astronauts is cheaper and everything has already been worked out.

At this time, Musk was quietly working on launches of his rockets to the ISS, gaining experience for the reliable sending of astronauts.

Refusal to send astronauts from the USA is just a flogging of Roskosmos.

They just switch over within six months to their ready-made rockets;)

[aszzz888]

Krabik Today, 13:00 a.m. working on launches their rockets to the ISS are gaining experience for the reliable sending of astronauts.

... and he has enough life to "work out"?!? ... do not equal the Mask with the SPACE INDUSTRY OF RUSSIA ...

[badens1111]

Quote: aszzz888

don't equal mask

The sect that believed in Ilon Mask will be crushed by your comments, saying that it is ingenious, but in fact, I.Mask works through both the US Ministry of Defense and NASA through the laying company.
In other words, there are no profits, a lot of losses, and the crack is worth it, the "genius" of this loach, therefore, a lot of enthusiasm, is just a cover ..

[Krabik]

There is a difference for us whose gasket is Elon Musk ?!

He speaks and does, unlike Roscosmos, which speaks and does nothing.

Merges projects one by one.

The last project to fly to Mars failed miserably, putting the corpse into orbit.
Drooling on the replacement of the union by the federation has been going on for more than one year, but things are still there.

[badens1111]

Quote: Krabik

There is a difference for us whose gasket is Elon Musk?

Is.
At the expense of the failure of Russian programs .. well, I flog it very much.

[Krabik]

Musk is already developing the modules and parts of rockets for flying to Mars.

And flying to orbit is a commonplace, it’s just to send astronauts dumbly by ourselves and it’s easier to transfer risks to the Russian Federation and Roscosmos.

I would have done the same sending astronauts through the Russian Federation, if there is an accident, then you can pour a bucket of shit on Russia completely free%))

[aszzz888]

Krabik Today, 13:17 ↑
Musk is already developing the modules and parts of rockets for flying to Mars.

... apart from blah blah blah not a single fact ...

[Krabik]

Not really in the subject, but here is the enterprise for the production of engines for rockets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNu2x_kWzc4

This is on the subject of grannies and that if we do not sell them engines they will not fly anywhere.
And yes, compare with our production for fun%)

And here is a presentation on the Moon and Mars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdAz-WYBS8&t
= 1351s

There are most pictures and drawn rollers, but there are tests of tanks and engines for Martian rockets.

So, dear, look less at Kiselyov’s, otherwise you will turn back, like your parents, into a peasant praying for a king, son and holy spirit - Amen%)

[badens1111]

Quote: Krabik

And here is a presentation on the Moon and Mars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdAz-WYBS8&t
= 1351s

And why? Cartoons are proof?
Well tady catch
For those who want to watch this movie I recommend this link:

See Mars and not go crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmi9v4E3P8&fe
ature = related
Few?
Well, yes .. I forgot, the Nylon apologists in the Mask do not perceive everything somehow .. well oh well ..
For those who want to get acquainted with the video materials about "Mars500"
The following links are recommended:

A selection of videos about the "Mars500"
http://www.newstube.ru/tag/mars-500

MARS500. Mars: Secrets of the Red Planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN8iTIKAYTA&fe
ature = related

Official Blog "Mars500"
http://imbp-mars500.livejournal.com/МарсМарсе500
And finally .. https: //www.wikiplanet.click/enciclopedi
a/ru/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80%D
1%83%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D
1%91%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81
If after this date, no information leaks out, then stay tuned for News, where is Nylon Isask ..

[Krabik]

What are you throwing carrots to me here ?!

Half of the links did not open, some of the links from some private left blogs.

Mars500 is a series like a bunch of men sticking out in a bank and scratching their tongues, and this project is already dead.

I showed a video where there are real tests of engines and tanks for missiles, but you probably have not watched the entire presentation and already decided at the beginning of the presentation that there are some cartoons ?!

[Sharansky]

Quote: aszzz888

.something I didn’t see a single merikatosovka rocket with the crew onboard the ISS ...

Roscosmos also did not see, but already buys places in advance.
Roscosmos has begun negotiations with NASA on booking seats on the new American manned ship Orion for Russian cosmonauts. This was stated by Sergey Krikalev, director of manned programs of the state corporation, RIA Novosti reports.

[zoolu350]

The refusal to carry enemies and serve the enemy station is not stupidity, but a worthy answer, but the oligarch of the Russian Federation once again will only shake the air.

[Ronald Reagan]

Thanks to the Americans, Russian space exploration is afloat.

[zoolu350]

Yeah, the wolf took pity on the mare, left his tail and mane (he didn’t eat it).

[Krabik]

Everything must be done wisely and not to cut the branch on which you are sitting.

The problem is that SpaceX already manufactured Dragon2014 for manned flights in 2.

And this project was slowly running in while NASA astronauts flew on our alliances.

Now Dragon2 launches began and this year it is already flying to the station.

And if we now refuse the contract with NASA, then we will lose money for flights and we will have to pay compensation for terminating the contract.

After NASA receive the headstock, they will transfer quietly flights to SpaceX and will already fly on them.

That is, they are playing the option with us so that they themselves refuse the contracts ...

[zoolu350]

That is, you confirm that the Russian oligarchy concluded an unprofitable RF with the SCM, an agreement that, with any development of events, is beneficial only to mattresses?

[Krabik]

Roscosmos survived thanks to orders from NASA.

There is such a saying "do not bite the hand that feeds."

Here is our cosmos, more precisely Buran on which the roof collapsed:

[rotmistr60]

I would like everything at once and now, but it does not happen. Let's see what restrictions Russia will introduce (or rather, what it will decide) Russia, the main thing is not to stretch it in time.

[Sharansky]

Standard restrictions in the form of expressions of concern.

[Cxnumx]

that's just where

In several modifications of Boeing aircraft, the share of Russian components can reach up to 70%, the agency’s source said.

no need to touch anything, let them buy our goods - this is to our benefit first of all. but any astronauts can be transported for free - yes, you can stop it.
and then the saying "I will frostbite my ears with evil mother" can also be dragged to us.

[Sharansky]

no one drove astronauts for free

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Sharansky

no one drove astronauts for free

Well, how much was interesting from them? otherwise I personally suspect that not very much.

[Sharansky]

$ 74,7 million per seat, more expensive than the cost of the entire Soyuz ship along with launch. For the poor Roscosmos and this is good money

[Cxnumx]

Quote: Sharansky

$ 74,7 million per seat, more expensive than the cost of the entire Soyuz ship along with launch. For the poor Roscosmos and this is good money

yes it is by any standards, including the Americans, good money. Can I refer to the source?

[Sharansky]

I ask
http://tass.ru/kosmos/4059510

[Cxnumx]

somehow it’s not very ... buying seats through the Boeing, which bought them as part of the settlement of the lawsuit over the joint project “Sea Launch”.
nasa itself bought them directly, these prices are interesting.

[Nasrat]

".... In several modifications of Boeing aircraft, the share of Russian components can reach up to 70% ..."

Hrenase! A Superjet scolded for the use of imported components ...

[Blackmokona]

I suspect that it’s not accessories but a fraction of titanium

[reservist]

A Superjet scolded for the use of imported components

The MS-300 is still equipped with an American engine.
And American Boeings have a large number of components from Russia.
Mutual sanctions - and we will all walk or train.
I think that Airbus titanium also depends on Russia ...

[Sharansky]

Yes, no one is dependent on Russia for titanium. The titanium market is oversaturated. Russia stupidly gives it up for nothing.

[Gardamir]

may limit

but will not. And you are proud of foreign policy.

[Soho]

not understandable patriotic comments above. We are already quite confidently flying out of commercial space (if we compare the statistics of the last decade). Even China, one of the last to enter the "big space", has overtaken us by commercial launches. And know the commentary is fussing about trampolines ....

[Krabik]

But it’s all hacked to drive launches from Ilon Mask into the search and make sure that Rogozin trampolines are more likely for Roscosmos and our cosmonauts to stock up ...

[Sharansky]

You underestimate the power of the zombie creator, notice, the looters are mostly people of an age who still have the blood in their minds that television and newspapers cannot lie. But critical thinking and independent analysis of information is absent as a class.

[Antianglosax]

Last week, State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin spoke about the elaboration by the State Duma of the response to US sanctions.
Come on!?! But we are all sure that the State Duma and the government can only squat in front of the Americans and can do Ku. And they are so formidable. Work out the answer, however! The impudent Yankees are trying to throw us under the rink for the third year, they are announcing to the officer. level of the enemy and with rapture and enviable persistence inflict Russia the maximum possible damage in all directions. And here in the Kremlin for the third year they began to guess something! The people on the Internet back in 2014 specifically stated that it is necessary to immediately prohibit the sale of titanium, uranium and space technology to amer-geeks. And the hated "servants" of the people only noticed that the Russians were crawling on the floor for the third year with their faces, and they were only thinking what to do with it! Estonians are just lightning bolts compared to Russian lawmakers (pooh on them twice).
A dumb, drunken hedgehog from a distant forest understands what and how to do with the Nugglo Saxons and Anglo-Zionists, only our DG and its zig-chairman are not aware of.

[Krabik]

The country's leadership lives in the West, this is the whole secret.

[Baloo]

Maybe, but doesn’t want or doesn’t do it, who is this?
He wants, but he can’t, that’s what we know.

[Langf]

It is necessary to beat hard, painfully, not for girls, for in the mockery and muzzle we have long stood on the neck: not that we have the right, but that which is otherwise impossible.

[Egorovich]

Finally they will give birth to something worthwhile. If, God forbid, it will not be another talker. And space and their Boeing is really painful.

[Ronald Reagan]

This will be another nail in the coffin for Russian astronautics.

[Egorovich]

You sent it to the wrong address right now. And the first satellite, and Gagarin, and access to space, and the first space station, all without mattresses. And now they are at our station docked with their pigment. Stop making people laugh.

[Ronald Reagan]

Are you serious or is it sarcasm? Seriously, alas, ah, I have bad news for you. You need to at least be a little interested in how your native space program lives. And this life, not sugar at all.

[Krabik]

Native astronautics died in the 90s to death%)

Now they launch old Gagarin rockets and Soviet protons from the 80s.

The RF segment is one of the oldest and most useless parts of the station; the Americans will be happy to cut it out and forbid us to fly to the ISS if we give cause.

Cargo delivery to the ISS is carried out by different countries, including SpaceX, which has been regularly supplying the station since 2012.

This year, SpaceX conducts test launches of Dragon2 and at the end of the year will send it to the ISS.

And lo and behold, only now our deputies remembered the sanctions and want to introduce a ban on the flights of amers on our unions ?!

Don't you think that the corrupt deputies want to transfer NASA astronaut launches to SpaceX?

[LVMI1980]

Quote: Logall

The less Americans fly into space, the more our launch vehicles will be used!
Again, their programs are slowed down ...

What if they remember how engines do?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: LVMI1980

Quote: Logall

The less Americans fly into space, the more our launch vehicles will be used!
Again, their programs are slowed down ...

What if they remember how engines do?

This will be followed by a brain explosion. They will remember. BUT .... Only ours carry people to the ISS. You can correct the ISS orbit only by docking to OUR segment. If, for example, we remove all astronauts-astronauts from orbit (we are not killers !!!) and stop lifting the ISS. it will fall in a year, moreover, it is not at all known where. What do you think, a year is enough to remember HOW engines are made, make them, retest and make a rocket with them, having tested it too, in a complex?

[Krabik]

Here is one of the engine manufacturing in the USA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNu2x_kWzc4

Here is the finished ship for flight to the ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJfrr3_aqlk

We will simply be kicked out like a beaten dog with a dirty rag from the ISS and such bravado how it ends%))

[rocket757]

Really, hint at the Jankers again?
Sanctions ... only the Yankees are stubborn and strong people they have. Build rockets or an elevator to the sky, do not hesitate.
They should take more money from them for transportation and all business!
Business, nothing personal! They understand such a language.

[LVMI1980]

I have long been proposing (only here) to ban transit flights on our territory - only with landing

[vearey]

Really time. So that Americans and others understand that you can’t rely on a contract with Russia, to get huge compensation for these engines produced in Russia only because of the low price (there was a tender) to completely block the supply of spare parts to Russia, it’s also good to fly a trampoline.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

There is no need to prohibit or restrict anything, they will soon transfer to their ship. The ban on them will only push and accelerate + the international station, the ban on flights means not allowing Americans to enter their segment. This will actually bury the ISS project with all the ensuing consequences. You don’t need to take an example from ukronazists and freeze your ears in spite of your grandmother, refusing the necessary contracts, but the price of astronaut flights can be raised 5-10 times. It is necessary to act finer and calmer.

[zivXP]

True, the language of money reaches them better.

[olhon]

Finally.

[Will]

It is high time! Normal Americans allow access to Russia, for a trip to space.

[16112014nk]

The shareholders, and especially the owners (homegrown bourgeois) of the company VSMPO-Avisma, which produces titanium for Boeing and watermelons, are categorically against restrictions from the United States.

[ML-334]

Sanctions, the engine of progress, are forced to move. Example-Russia, and so we have the money and the Americans are not in a hurry to make their engines, but as "little brothers", we’ll frostbitten our ears.

[Krabik]

They have long been making great engines themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNu2x_kWzc4

And here is their test of the Dragon2 spaceship this year and in the same year it flies to the ISS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJfrr3_aqlk

[SOF]

Quote: Gransasso

Have you been banned in Google? ..

... have you just seen a picture from the NEW Ukrainian Maidan here? Something like that: "COME animals (in the original it doesn’t miss) YOU WILL CARRY OUT. "Doesn't it seem to you that if you put a comma in the wrong place, does the meaning change dramatically?
Read your own google saying. "The license for the transfer of RD-180 technology to the United States ends in 2030" - what does this mean? What do you think? If on the fingers, then: someone handed over to someone the technology for possible production under license. In 2030, this license expires and, if the person to whom the technology was transferred does not want to be known as a Chinese with a photocopier, he is obliged to destroy these documents.
And now the main question: who is this one who has transferred technology? Who is the copyright holder?
In order to facilitate the work of your Google:
US patent 6226980 B1:
"Publication Number US6226980 B1
Type of publication Grant
Application Number US 09 / 393,435
Publication Date May 8, 2001
Announced Sep 10, 1999
Priority Date Jan 21, 1999
Fee Status Paid
Other patent numbers DE69923944D1, DE69923944T2, EP1022454A2, EP1022454A3, EP1022454B1
The inventors Boris Ivanovich Katorgin, 6 more »
Initial Patent Holder Otkrytoe Aktsionernoe Obschestvo Nauchno-Proizvodstvennoe Obiedinenie “Energomash” Imeni Akademika VP Glushko
Bibliographic references BiBTeX, EndNote, RefMan "
CLASSIFICATION
US Classification 60/258, 60/259
Международная классификация F02K9/48, F02K9/95
Совместная классификация F02K9/48, F02K9/95
European classification index F02K9 / 48, F02K9 / 95
LEGAL EVENTS
Date Code Event Description
Nov 22, 1999 AS Assignment
Owner name: OTKRYTOE AKTSIONERNOE OBSCHESTVO "NAUCHNO-PROIZVOD
Free format text: ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST; ASSIGNORS: KATORGIN, BORIS; CHVANOV, VLADIMIR; DERKACH, GENNADY; AND OTHERS; REEL / FRAME: 010392/0146
Effective date: 19990910
Here is the reference:
http://www.google.com/patents/US6226980

[Gransasso]

That's what I knew .. again this meme of a patriotic blogger about patents .... as they say, pants on the straps ... by exclusive copyright holders of the rights to this engine, created on the technical specifications of the Americans and intended solely for their "internal" use-SP " Amrossa "in which the ball is ruled by the Americans ... no one else can use it without their consent ... and patents for some parts or assemblies have the same relevance as ....

[SOF]

First: stop pulling the owl on the globe and take the trouble to figure out what a patent means.
Second: RD-170 - the basis of RD-180 - was developed for the Rus launch vehicle. RD-180 itself is an alteration of the 170th under the conditions of those tasks on the American tender.
Third: your Amrossa, as you called it, is in fact the JV RD-Amros, created to legalize engine sales, according to US law. Just ... And it possesses, as you see it, "exclusive copyright holders" for the sale of engines in the United States.
Fourth: "the ball is ruled ..." Generally horror. Do you know the composition of the board of directors?
Fifth: equipment owned by Energomash LLC, and no one (!!!), no Amross, will prohibit selling it to anyone ... Another thing is that the M12 nut cannot be screwed onto the M10 bolt, so I will not owl it to the globe .. But who said that the M12 bolt will not be invented for the existing product.
.... and, sorry, with such an argument, there is absolutely no desire to continue the discussion - a pity for the time spent

[Gransasso]

Quote: SOF

Another thing is that the M12 nut cannot be screwed onto the M10 bolt, so I will not owl the globe ... But who said that the M12 bolt will not be thought up for the existing product.

Yes ... at that level of argument ... really ... no point ...


Energomash is so free to dispose of this engine that when for the designed Rus-M rocket an engine similar to the RD-180 was needed ... for some reason they began to design another ..... called RD-180 V ... but it would seem .. enough was to pull the owl from the globe .....

[SOF]

.... ossssadi ... could not resist ...
Do you know such a thing as a node? For example: a Mercedes engine will not enter the engine compartment of a VAZ simply because there is not enough space. And what is the metric and non-system measurement systems? Have you ever seen inch fasteners? Why do we have 12 mm in Europe and 12 mm in Europe, and about 1/2 "in the states?
See through - That is why, the quite successful RD-180 engine, had to be redone in the RD-180V, as well as the original RD-170, it was necessary to convert it into the RD-180.
... and the Americans .... look what handsome men !!! instead of painting the hated Cyrillic alphabet on the engines, before installing them on their GREAT Atlases, and thus not injuring the gentle psyche of Senator McCain, they leave everything as it is !!! And why? Yes, simply because THEY RESPECT Russian designers.
... and the great McCain, will not make the Russians rivet the right amount Of their engines simply because conscience does not allow him to do this !!!
... and Rogozin, the Duma committee and other bureaucrats Retarded Russia, in fact, turn out to be full b] REINDS [/ b], because they are going to deprive Americans of engines that belong to a great nation of hegemony, which they don’t realize, even though he knows about it MEGA expert how Gransasso
... bilin ... right now, I really wanted to lose this pie overseas "comrades". It’s interesting, in what key will you start singing after that?

[SOF]

The founder of the private space company Blue Origin, the creator of the American rocket engine replacing the Russian RD-180, Jeff Bezos announced the success of the first fire tests.

"The first firing tests of our BE-4 engine were successful. A huge achievement for the entire BlueOrigin team, and a very important step!" - Bezos wrote on Twitter, posting a video of the "burning" on the ground stand.

As previously reported, the BE-4 is being built for use on Blue Origin's New Glenn missile, as well as the new Vulcan launch vehicle under development by the United Launch Alliance (ULA). According to the plans published on the company's website, the BE-4 is to receive a flight certificate in 2017 and is still the only American rocket engine that can be ready in 2019 before the deadline prescribed by the US Congress to abandon the Russian RD-180.

>> Russia blackmails the USA

The development of the BE-4 is the fastest way to get rid of the dependence of the United States, while continuing to buy RD-180 engines from Russia. Earlier in March, Bezos posted a photo of the first assembled BE-4 engine running on liquefied natural gas and liquid oxygen.

In 1997, Moscow and Washington signed an agreement worth almost a billion dollars to supply 101 RD-180 engines. A year and a half ago, the US Congress imposed a ban on their use after 2019, but then canceled it when it became clear that its engines would not be created in the United States within the next three years. Immediately after this, the ULA consortium ordered an additional 20 RD-180s from NPO Energomash at the request of the Pentagon.

As the influential American publication The Wall Street Journal reported in September, technical and financial problems will force the Pentagon to rely on Russian RD-180 rocket engines at least until the middle of the next decade, that is, several years longer than originally anticipated. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/38204436/?utm_cont
ent = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_source
= copylink
...... how interesting however .... the great tilters can not refuse to use the engine, which (!!!) belongs to them ...
What an exceptional logic you have!

[VadimSt]

Words alone! If Russia wanted to bite, then it would bite - painfully and inflammatoryly. In this case, economic interests exceeded national pride and honor of the state! And no words justifying such a position will convince citizens that everything is fine, "we are at least not in the saddle, but hold the reins in our hands" - you can have a bridle without a horse, and not show your neighbors, and at night stroking, thinking about the horse.

[evil partisan]

It is enough to prohibit the rental of Hollywood in k \ t and the showing of an American product on Russian TV. Howl at once. A bonus to this is to nationalize the entire American network catering. A. Rogers estimated that American capital (physical) on the territory of the Russian Federation is approximately the same as the amount invested by the Russian Federation in Treasury. We take the interests of individuals out of the question. So there will be no winners in the sanctions war of the USA and the Russian Federation (according to A. Rogers).

[Krabik]

Alas, it is not so simple.

the Americans have already prepared their manned ship and they need to break the old contract with Roscosmos.

Here they are through the corrupt deputies and are trying to push this law ...

[zoolu350]

Do the Fed owners feel sorry for the cut green paper for which they buy engines? As soon as the Fed owners want, they will break the contract easily.

[Krabik]

1 cut paper of the USA costs 57 chopped papers of the Russian Federation.

[Sergey Fomin]

can limit and limit different things.
in this case, the bees (the elite of the Russian Federation) are opposed to honey (USA), things will not go further than empty talk in the style of “promise to promise”.

[Zveruga]

Gransasso,
The transfer of a license to manufacture the United States means our permission for them to produce the RD-180. But they never learned how to produce it after many years. This license expires in 2030, after which it will be banned to produce the RD-180, which they do not produce. )))

You turned the essence of the article upside down.