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Media: The real effectiveness of US missile defense is slightly more than 50 percent.

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Experts from War on the rocks tried to calculate the real effectiveness of the US ground-based missile defense system, and their assessment was very different from what President Donald Trump said last week, according to War on the rocks


During the broadcast on Fox News, with presenter Sean Hanniti, US President Donald Trump said that the effectiveness of ground-based anti-ballistic missile systems was 97 percent. "We have rockets that can shoot down a rocket in the air in 97 percent of the time, and if you send two, both will be shot down." In this case, it was about the ground-based missile defense system on the main flight segment (GMD).

Media: The real effectiveness of US missile defense is slightly more than 50 percent.


The complexes of this system are located at three points - Cape Cod Air Base in Massachusetts, Bial California Air Base and Clear Air Alaska Base. Thirty antimissiles are currently deployed, and another fifteen are expected to be ready within the next year.

Since 24 June 1997, when the first test launches began, the 18 test launches were made to test the overall concept of the program in order to shoot down the target missile. The only successful were 10, which gives 56% efficiency percent, which is close to the declared one. To achieve the effectiveness of which Trump speaks it is required to launch on each rocket - four of their anti-missiles, which means that in the event of even a small attack from North Korea and with a high degree of probability, only the first 8-9 missiles will be shot down.

Experts note that the United States needs to increase the number of ground-based missile defense systems. Even if a country uses 36 antimissiles in response to nine North Korean ICBMs, there remains a three percent chance that North Korea’s missiles will reach their targets in North America.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 00
    12
    It seems experts have not heard about SM-3 and Thad
    The score looks like this.
    The Russian army is able to defend the country, more about the AK, the AK cannot do anything even with a thousand tanks. So Russia is defenseless ..
    1. Sergey Fomenko
      Sergey Fomenko 17 October 2017 20: 03
      +7
      Enlighten the experts - esperd of all experts ...
      PS Every gopher is an agronomist ....
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 09
        +1
        I will appeal to more authoritative personalities than journalists.
        http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1671369/
        1. Monos
          Monos 17 October 2017 20: 49
          19
          I'm sad ... I can not say anything about the American missile defense ... sad Did not check !!! smile
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 17 October 2017 21: 16
            +9
            Quote: Monos
            I am sad ... I can not say anything about the American missile defense ... sad I did not check !!!

            Quite right, and no one has checked and where such data about 50% came from, the real possibilities of the American missile defense will be shown by the battle, and everything else is speculation taken as usual from the air.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 17 October 2017 21: 39
              10
              Quote: Pirogov
              Quite right, and no one has checked and where such data about 50% came from, the real possibilities of the American missile defense will be shown by the battle, and everything else is speculation taken as usual from the air.

              The same opinion.
              For the sake of honesty, there is a word "in theory" wink
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 17 October 2017 22: 58
                +8
                Quote: Monos
                I'm sad ... I can not say anything about the American missile defense ... I did not check !!!

                ... Hello Vit! ... hi ... you don’t need to check here ... you just need to read carefully and in americanQuote from American President:
                During a telecast on Fox News, hosted by Sean Hannity, US President Donald Trump said the effectiveness of ground-based missile defense systems is 97 percent. "We have rockets that can bring down a missile in the air in 97 percent of cases, and if you send two, then both will be shot down. ”At the same time, it was a ground-based missile defense system on the marching flight section (GMD).
                ... word ... can ... but if they can’t? ... and what place is 97% ... it's purely for domestic American consumption ... hi
                Quote: Pirogov
                Quite right, and no one has checked and where such data about 50% came from, the real possibilities of the American missile defense will be shown by the battle, and everything else is speculation taken as usual from the air.

                Quote: NIKNN
                The same opinion.
                For greater honesty, the word "theoretically" exists.

                ... Guys, my reverence ... hi ... don't read the Americans in Russian ... You read - knock down in 97% ... but it not true, this is the difference in mentality ... they always can, but most of all, it’s not very real in reality ... well, we have with you will hit in 97% ... as they say in Odessa: ... "These are Two big differences" ... hi
                1. oldseaman1957
                  oldseaman1957 17 October 2017 23: 59
                  +8
                  [quote] [Media: The real effectiveness of the US missile defense is just over 50 percent / quote] - With an incompetent approach to such an important topic as protection against nuclear dangers, and at the same time pursuing an aggressive policy is at least unwise.
                2. Monos
                  Monos 18 October 2017 08: 50
                  +6
                  Hello, Lesha! hi
                  Quote: Inok10
                  ... a word ... they can ... but if they cannot?

                  Yes, go to him, and they report like this: "Well-oo-oo ... we, in principle, can. At least we are working on it now ..." smile
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 17 October 2017 21: 28
            +8
            Quote: Monos
            I'm sad ... I can not say anything about the American missile defense ... sad Did not check !!! smile

            lol lol lol lol so no one can say anything .... you have to listen to the tales of the Americans about their almost 100% protection with their pro !!! laughing laughing laughing and judging by the wars that they organized over the past 30 years, their own "coolest" assessments and the possibilities of their "super-armies" in real combat operations diverge in opposite directions with the results !!! wassat wassat wassat
            1. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 17 October 2017 23: 37
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              their own "coolest" assessments and the possibilities of their "super-army" in real hostilities diverge in opposite directions with the results !!!

              Yes ? Remind me, the same Iraq is now under whose heel? Something I do not see a discrepancy
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 03: 51
                +5
                Quote: Black5Raven
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                their own "coolest" assessments and the possibilities of their "super-army" in real hostilities diverge in opposite directions with the results !!!

                Yes ? Remind me, the same Iraq is now under whose heel? Something I do not see a discrepancy

                what what don't see ??? well then take a good look at what happened, continues to happen to Iraq and how many people died !!! fool fool fool negative negative negative
                1. Black5Raven
                  Black5Raven 18 October 2017 12: 04
                  0
                  And then the question is, how does your verbal diarrhea relate to these words
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  and judging by the wars that they organized over the past 30 years, their own "coolest" assessments and the possibilities of their "super-armies" in real combat operations diverge in opposite directions with the results !!!

                  And as you can see, estimates do not diverge from the results. It was necessary - the strongest army of the BV cracked like a shell. It will be necessary - SK “power” will deflate like a balloon. It is a fact . Unlike your hat-dreaming dreams.
                  And if we talk about the dead in Iraq, why the hypocrite? It’s as if you have at least something to do with it. Why then are you not on the topic of those who died in Somalia in the district of a terrorist attack? Why can't you hear crying and moaning and the three million killed during the genocide in Rwanda or the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia? Hypocrisy is amazing.
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 15: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: Black5Raven
                    And then the question is, how does your verbal diarrhea relate to these words
                    Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                    and judging by the wars that they organized over the past 30 years, their own "coolest" assessments and the possibilities of their "super-armies" in real combat operations diverge in opposite directions with the results !!!

                    And as you can see, estimates do not diverge from the results. It was necessary - the strongest army of the BV cracked like a shell. It will be necessary - SK “power” will deflate like a balloon. It is a fact . Unlike your hat-dreaming dreams.
                    And if we talk about the dead in Iraq, why the hypocrite? It’s as if you have at least something to do with it. Why then are you not on the topic of those who died in Somalia in the district of a terrorist attack? Why can't you hear crying and moaning and the three million killed during the genocide in Rwanda or the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia? Hypocrisy is amazing.

                    couldn’t come up with a better demagogy ?? wassat wassat
      2. Cutter
        Cutter 17 October 2017 20: 21
        17
        There is a certain "fatigue" ... I admit that the US Armed Forces have the largest number of troops. Sense something ??? I confirm: quantity does not mean quality. Shoigu in Israel. ANYONE will think, why? Simple: Syria is not the goal, the springboard - RUSSIA IS FAVORABLE, it is beneficial to my countrymen - it means to me !!!
        Well, blink something, "good mine" ....
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 17 October 2017 20: 25
          +7
          Quote: Cutter
          Well, blink something, "good mine" ....

          Sasha, do you need it? wink
          1. Logall
            Logall 17 October 2017 20: 39
            16
            Max, come on ... Such a sincere speech! I like it. Fair!
            '' this is beneficial to my countrymen - it means to me !!! '' - doesn’t it touch?
            Me so to tears ...
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 17 October 2017 20: 54
              +6
              Sasha, your namesake with the nickname. Cutter - Russian. Because he writes like that. yes
              1. Logall
                Logall 17 October 2017 21: 11
                15
                Yes, we are all one people. Brothers!
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 17 October 2017 21: 15
                  +8
                  I myself have more than enough on both lines of the genus of Russian blood. Like the Belarusian and Ukrainian. So the truth is yours, Sasha - we are brothers! drinks drinks drinks
              2. Senior manager
                Senior manager 18 October 2017 06: 27
                0
                Are you an Anglo-Saxon brother?
          2. Komsomol
            Komsomol 17 October 2017 20: 44
            +5
            Are you the smartest here in our country, at a Russian forum? Dig your potatoes, Belarusian Jedi, damn it, don’t make people laugh, there’s enough clowns without you ...... laughing laughing laughing
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 17 October 2017 20: 52
              10
              Chalov Alexey Yuryevich, can you calm down already? negative
              1. Komsomol
                Komsomol 17 October 2017 21: 05
                +5
                Alexy Yurievich- write correctly, Belarusian Bro !!! wink hi
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 17 October 2017 21: 08
                  10
                  I'm not you bro. No.
                  1. Komsomol
                    Komsomol 17 October 2017 21: 14
                    +5
                    Not a question. We agreed, and YOU, BARIN, I will not count for Brother ...
              2. Smog
                Smog 17 October 2017 21: 06
                12
                Quote: Jedi
                Chalov Alexey Yuryevich

                IPC 105 in its repertoire. True today is not a bathing day .... lol
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 17 October 2017 21: 09
                  +9
                  But is he really like that on Fridays?
                  1. Smog
                    Smog 17 October 2017 21: 14
                    +7
                    Bathing day is not only on the bathing day. laughing This can be any day of the week. The presence of external and internal factors of influence is affected. But in the bathing days, these factors of influence are becoming more laughingand they appear brighter
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 17 October 2017 21: 17
                      +8
                      I understand what you mean by "" external and internal "factors of influence. Or infusion ... lol
                      1. Smog
                        Smog 17 October 2017 21: 42
                        +5
                        Quote: Jedi
                        Or an infusion ..

                        Nuuuuu, and what are the facts of influence without an infusion ... laughing You will not be full of steam lol
                    2. Jedi
                      Jedi 17 October 2017 21: 53
                      +8
                      Quote: Smog
                      You will not be full of steam

                      That's for sure. Some of the havchik so breaks that only the pots rattle. wink
                      1. Smog
                        Smog 17 October 2017 21: 55
                        +5
                        Quote: Jedi
                        only pots rattle.

                        Only......??????? pans ......
                    3. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 17 October 2017 23: 02
                      +7
                      And factors of libation.
                2. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 21: 16
                  11
                  Namesake, salute! Is it true where the 105th disappeared ...?
                  1. Smog
                    Smog 17 October 2017 21: 23
                    +7
                    Kostya! Good evening! drinks soldier So logged in. In the current reincarnation, the Komsomol.
                    Still, by itself, Alex 7777777 and one or two more - I don’t remember nicknames.
                3. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 17 October 2017 23: 01
                  10
                  Kostya, hi! Another reincarnation of the egg (or egg-headed) Cossack Alexy?
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 23: 34
                    11
                    Lech, be healthy, Buddy!
                    Yes, the Russian land is rich in fools and geniuses ... hi hi wink
            2. vovanpain
              vovanpain 17 October 2017 21: 12
              +9
              Quote: Komsomol
              Are you the smartest here in our country, at a Russian forum? Dig your potatoes, Belarusian Jedi, damn it, don’t tell people, there’s enough clowns without you ...

              And maybe enough to run into it, huh? Yes, it’s stupid to write, and Alexy Yurievich negative Run into your friends, and rudeness and fingers fan your fingers away, I hope that we agreed. yes
            3. Herculesic
              Herculesic 17 October 2017 21: 14
              +9
              Komsomol! am Alexei, you are clearly a nationalist, which is disgusting! And it looks like the main forum clown is just you! !! sad
              1. Komsomol
                Komsomol 17 October 2017 21: 21
                +6
                ALEXY!!! When do you remember !!! I’m not calling you all here, how insulting it would be to hear your names, although I could ... am
                1. Smog
                  Smog 17 October 2017 21: 31
                  10
                  Quote: Komsomol
                  Komsomol

                  Though
                  ALEXY !!
                  though
                  Alex,
                  and solarium from helicopters is not good to drain ..... laughing
                2. sedoj
                  sedoj 17 October 2017 22: 32
                  +9
                  I’m thinking here, Alexy, and how is this possible - when registering on October 4, 2017 15:07, in thirteen days to raise the rating to thirty thousand?

                  Are you cheating?
        2. Tomahawk
          Tomahawk 17 October 2017 21: 36
          +2
          And what you don’t like about the quality, the US army has no equal in terms of armament. And to say that the Russians are the most daring, as it is presumptuous
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 17 October 2017 21: 51
            +8
            Quote: Tomahawk
            And to say that the Russians are the most daring, as it is presumptuous

            Quote: Tomahawk
            the level of armament in the U.S. Army has no equal

            good good good It’s how much self-confidence, how much, laughing Why do you blame others if you yourself sin with that vice? repeat
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 17 October 2017 22: 01
              +7
              The history of some people does not teach anything - they are only more embittered and more watered with dirt. wink
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 18 October 2017 00: 19
                +5
                Tomahawk, if objectively, US superiority is only in the number of Air Force and Navy.
                Superiority of the Russian Federation: in missile weapons (X-101, Caliber, a series of anti-ship missiles with different carriers, etc.), BTT and special. cars, artillery and MLRS, small arms and grenade launchers, air defense, strategic missile forces, electronic warfare.
                Considering the opinion of US generals, the Russian Ground Forces in mobility and deployment are unrivaled. Syria has shown how the Russian Federation can "turn off" communications and space - this is also the opinion of NATO generals about a set. EW RF Armed Forces. “If the Russians want it, then the sparrows in Syria will walk on foot” - General Harold Kuyat (NATO, Germany) on the Russian air defense. I also realized that I was growing. airplanes need less time for maintenance and departure preparation. Those. the frequency of operation is higher than that of the NATO Air Force.
                Thus, the number of US air forces level air defense and electronic warfare systems. But still there is a videoconferencing. The number of Navy is blocked by coastal complexes with anti-ship missiles, which are also on other carriers (VKS and Navy). And often air defense systems can also hit ships. But the Russian Armed Forces NE have such a reserve of BTT that NATO did not dream of. It is not able to collect even three thousand tanks at the European theater of operations. Euronato has no more than 700 tanks. hi
                I would look at the actions of the AUG of the US Navy off the coast of the Russian Federation! laughing
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 00: 45
                  0
                  Superiority of the Russian Federation: in missile weapons (X-101, Caliber, a series of anti-ship missiles with different carriers, etc.), BTT and special. cars, artillery and MLRS, small arms and grenade launchers, air defense, strategic missile forces, electronic warfare.
                  I don’t argue, the Russian missile armament is at an altitude, but any ship threatening the AUG will be destroyed before it approaches the launch distance of the Caliber. For naval aviation, the range is much greater than any of the anti-ship missiles.
                  But the Russian Armed Forces NE have such a reserve of BTT that NATO did not dream of. It is not able to collect even three thousand tanks at the European theater of operations. Euronato has no more than 700 tanks. hi
                  3000 tanks? You know, any rich country can assemble a large number of very old armored vehicles if desired. The Russian Navy Battalion is t-72, the Gulf War has already shown that modern NATO tanks can destroy dozens of old Soviet armored vehicles in dozens, if you don’t believe, read about the battle of Basra.
                  I would look at the actions of the AUG of the US Navy off the coast of the Russian Federation! laughing
                  First, thousands of KR Tomahawk will fly from Berkov, who will not leave empty space on the shore, then aviation will turn on ....
                  Considering the opinion of US generals, the Russian Ground Forces in mobility and deployment are unrivaled.
                  you don’t even have one UDC, Remember the same war in the Persian Gulf, the troops were sacked at a level not inferior to the level of the Russian Federation.
                  "turn off" communications and space - this is also the opinion of NATO generals about set. EW RF Armed Forces. "If the Russians want, then the sparrows in Syria will walk on foot"
                  Only here, the Tomahawk fly quietly.
                  , small arms and grenade launchers, air defense, strategic missile forces, electronic warfare.
                  AK? The US Armed Forces has the largest range of small arms, the best air defense? Forgive me, but so far only in words, Patriot has already been used.
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 01: 30
                    10
                    First, thousands of Kyrgyz Republic Tomahawk will fly from Berkov, which will not leave empty space on the shore, then aviation will turn on.

                    Believe me, my friend, there will be nothing, neither Berkov, nor Tomahawks, nor F-35 .... nothing and the Earth will not be like a planet ...
                    The slightest movement towards Russia and the Perimeter system automatically destroys everything, launching fifteen hundred nuclear warheads, from all types of carriers, including stand-alone Status-type modules, etc. And all this crap
                    ,
                    begins to pour in from above ...... this is an apocalypse, this is the Final of planet Earth. And the blasting of one Status in the area of ​​the AUG 100-150 km is enough ... and the whole AUG, like husks in the toilet, will be washed away by a wave from an underwater explosion
                    “At the calculated point, an explosion and a wave will rise 400-500 meters high and wash away all living things one and a half thousand kilometers inland from the United States. Moreover, explosions of such monstrous power initiate volcanic activity ”,

                    And you say small arms, tanks ..... Abrams, like used condoms at the stake, will simply evaporate ....
                    So let's not measure who has the organ anymore
                  2. CT-55_11-9009
                    CT-55_11-9009 18 October 2017 09: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    but any ship threatening the AUG will be destroyed before it approaches the launch distance of the Caliber.

                    Are submarines considered?
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    already the Persian Gulf war showed that modern NATO tanks can destroy dozens of old Soviet armored vehicles in dozens

                    Yeah, this is taking into account the fact that the T-72 crews were Arab, not Russian. Yes, and the “72 matches” of the current and the “72 matches” of Iraq - as they say, are two big differences. Well, another tank modernization is coming, by the way.
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    First, thousands of KR Tomahawk will fly from Berkov, who will not leave empty space on the shore, then aviation will turn on ....

                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Only here, the Tomahawk fly quietly.

                    Yes Yes Yes. 60 Tomahawks flew to Syria, less than half flew by. Hit the target - generally units. Fresh food, yes sir ... I hardly, as they say.
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    AK? The US Armed Forces has the largest range of small arms, the best air defense? Forgive me, but so far only in words, Patriot has already been used.

                    Is there a large spectrum, fresh from this spectrum, able to withstand battles in Russia? Variations of the M-16? Oh well. Good luck. Again, American soldiers will look for captured AKs. Maybe even PPSh will be opened somewhere in warehouses in Siberia. Unless, of course, they get there not under guard on the way to sunny Kolyma.
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 23
                      0
                      Are submarines considered?
                      AUGs surround their submarines which will not allow the enemy submarines to pass the distance of launching anti-ship missiles. The submarine’s creed is ambushes, attacks on convoys, and so on. But not attacks on a large military unit of ships.
                      Yeah, this is taking into account the fact that the T-72 crews were Arab, not Russian. Yes, and the “72 matches” of the current and the “72 matches” of Iraq - as they say, are two big differences. Well, another tank modernization is coming, by the way.
                      Upgrades are good, of course, but it is impossible to always upgrade the same platform, you need a new one. The Abrams are also being upgraded intensively, so the Abrams of the Persian Gulf War and the current Abrams are also a big difference.
                      Yes Yes Yes. 60 Tomahawks flew to Syria, less than half flew by. Hit the target - generally units. Fresh food, yes sir ... I hardly, as they say.
                      only not one of the KR was shot down by means of air defense, and these units destroyed 2/3 of the aircraft at the airport, and disabled it.
                      Is there a large spectrum, fresh from this spectrum, able to withstand battles in Russia? Variations of the M-16? Oh well. Good luck. Again, American soldiers will look for captured AKs. Maybe even PPSh will be opened somewhere in warehouses in Siberia. Unless, of course, they get there not under guard on the way to sunny Kolyma.
                      We also have beautiful German automatic machines, Belgian ones, we have not fought on the M-16 for a long time, and even with them the United States repulsed the attacks of thousands of Taliban on their bases, with minimal losses
            2. poquello
              poquello 17 October 2017 23: 33
              +7
              Quote: vovanpain
              It’s how much self-confidence, how much,

              call for plagiarism, neighing like a horse over a pearl tomahawk
          2. family tree
            family tree 17 October 2017 22: 02
            +7
            Quote: Tomahawk
            in terms of armaments, the US Army has no equal.

            Presumptuously what Correctly say, in terms of the cost of weapons, in dollars, the US Army has no equal request I don’t even argue here.
            1. Tomahawk
              Tomahawk 17 October 2017 22: 37
              +1
              The fleet in all respects is superior to the Russian one, five times so. Aviation times six times so. The ground forces army is also superior, the Warrior at the level of our equipment at the beginning of 6. Abrams has already shown almost complete superiority over the T-2000. Intelligence is the most powerful in world. And you still say that the United States is not a superpower?
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 17 October 2017 23: 05
                12
                Young man, for intelligence would be silent in a rag. Test tube Powell recall, pr ..... th operation in the Crimea.
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 23: 37
                  11
                  Intelligence is the most powerful in the world.
                  , Lech, and Snowden in Russia ... laughing
                  1. Tomahawk
                    Tomahawk 18 October 2017 00: 56
                    +1
                    Remind you of Victor Belenko?
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 20 October 2017 06: 09
                      +7
                      And what about Belenko? A traitor to his people, who himself ran to you. What is the merit of American intelligence, if everything was presented to her on a "silver platter". Now they are guarding the traitor, well, just in case.
                  2. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 22 October 2017 12: 38
                    +5
                    Kostya, yes they have gotten rid of wherever it is possible and impossible.
                2. vearey
                  vearey 17 October 2017 23: 46
                  0
                  Test tube Powell recall
                  Remind please
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 22 October 2017 12: 40
                    +5
                    Fake intelligence report, military operation, hundreds of thousands of victims, destroyed Iraq. Enough of reminders?
              2. family tree
                family tree 17 October 2017 23: 21
                15
                Quote: Tomahawk
                The fleet in all respects surpasses the Russian one, five times so

                Essno superior, we Papuans around the world do not need to drive. Yes, Zamvolt with a balsa add-on is impressive. At the expense of ground armies, proxies, Aleppo and Racca. At the expense of tanks, so Abrams is an anti-tank self-propelled gun with armor-piercing shells, and not a tank, but also for self-defense buckshot, well, guided sub-caliber cumulative-fragmentation belay Well, it's good to get a contestant without OFS, or a bassoon player in the same Yemen, in general, against this pernicious omnipresent "makhra", without OFS it's bad. And on Abrams and with the General Pharmacopoeia, sucks, knocked out from the burning of gunpowder help, and from the detonation of explosives, will make a partition in the BO, with fatal consequences. Superiority over the T-72? Romanians, at the upgraded 55s, at the competitions Abrams were rolled out, but you do not go to biathlon, for some reason, although from the tribal request
                The most powerful intelligence in the world cannot neutralize the hackers who choose trump belay
                And yes the US, bases of doubt a superpower wassat It’s just that weapons-grade plutonium cannot be disposed of in any way, and the RD-180 continues to be bought, even though they themselves tried, but a stone flower doesn’t come out request
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 17 October 2017 23: 58
                  +7
                  Quote: perepilka
                  And yes, the United States, the bases of doubt are a superpower. But they can’t dispose of weapons-grade plutonium in any way, and the RD-180 continues to be bought, even though they themselves tried, but a stone flower doesn’t come out

                  Well .. only the next-year-old admirer of the United Gang of Aggressors began loudly and with pathos to talk about the "grandeur of the city on the hill", other things blah blah blah ... bang and face in the dung .. Cruelly .. laughing
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 18 October 2017 00: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: badens1111
                    . Cruelly .. laughing

                    It was cruel forty years ago, a locksmith in the US Army, for $ 300 to buy. Although nonche
                    The US Department of Defense signed a contract with SIG Sauer for the production of 280 thousand pistols in the amount of $ 580 million. A huge contract! Thus, the wholesale price of one gun with a set of accessories and warranty service will be about $ 2000.

                    The civilian modification of the SIG Sauer P320 costs about $ 450 at retail, that is, at wholesale the price is in no way more than 300, or even 200 bucks, no matter what equipment there is supposed to be. What can be the warranty service? Replacement and all! But the Ministry of Defense is buying warranty service !!!

                    Well, we’ve got used to it already, in dollars, and even easier. This is not ton-kilometers, thousand cbm, thousand tons and thousand units. There you don’t have to turn bags what
                2. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 00: 32
                  0
                  , we do not need to drive Papuans around the world
                  The fleet is a universal tool for conducting politics around the world, and there is nuclear weapons at the AUG. Zamvolt is only being finalized, and don’t laugh at it, they also laughed at firearms. Yes, and not in your position to laugh, look at Admiral Kuznetsov.
                  Romanians, in the upgraded 55s, at the competitions Abrams rolled out, but you do not go to biathlon, for some reason, although request from the tribal
                  look at the battle of Basra. Or, in general, read about the Gulf War.
                  The most powerful intelligence in the world can not neutralize the hackers who choose trump belay
                  Do you believe that?
                  And yes, the United States, the bases of doubt wassat superpower But they cannot dispose of weapons-grade plutonium in any way, and the RD-180 continues to be bought, even though they themselves tried, but the stone flower doesn’t come out request
                  Believe me, compared with the problems of the army of the Russian Federation, these are miserable problems.
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 01: 09
                    10
                    The fleet is a universal tool for conducting politics around the world, and there is nuclear weapons at the AUG. Zamvolt is only being finalized, and don’t laugh at it, they also laughed at firearms. Yes, and not in your position to laugh, look at Admiral Kuznetsov.

                    Of course, AUG in the oceans is great.
                    But only if that begins, your fleet does not have time to return to its native shores .....
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 01: 36
                      +2
                      I assure you that if the third world war begins, then no fleet will have time to return to their native shores, or sail away from them.
                      1. Solomon Kane
                        Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 01: 39
                        +8
                        In truth, the words are not of a young man, but of a sound husband .....
                    2. Smog
                      Smog 18 October 2017 18: 02
                      +3
                      Quote: Solomon Kane
                      if that begins, your fleet does not have time to return to its native shores .....

                      Kostya! Or maybe it will be in time. And their native coast by that time will be? Baaaalshoy vapros ????
                      1. Solomon Kane
                        Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 18: 23
                        +5
                        Namesake, Salute !!! hi So I about the same .... And will the fleet be alive? laughing wink
                      2. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 22 October 2017 12: 42
                        +5
                        They will return to the Stalin Strait.
                  2. family tree
                    family tree 18 October 2017 01: 11
                    +8
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Yes, and not in your position to laugh at the "Admiral Kuznetsov" look.

                    Kuzya from the North went to Middle-earth, worked and returned. And Kuzya is not an aircraft carrier; there, apart from aviation, dofiga nishtyakov. What are the problems, black smoke? Everything on the afterburner smokes, except for reactors with a triangle icon
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    look at the battle of Basra. Or, in general, read about the Gulf War.

                    The old Iraqi 55th were outfitted with aircraft. A tower was demolished near Chelendzhr, Abramsy in the distance, tankers and tankers are waiting, swearing clean air filters
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Do you believe that?

                    I do not, but these are statements by your intelligence. In general, it is equivalent to signing your own impotence
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Believe me, compared with the problems of the army of the Russian Federation, these are miserable problems.

                    Killed! I believe! "I myself am a Crimean, daughter of an officer, believe me ..." wassat
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 01: 44
                      0
                      Kuzya from the North went to Middle-earth, worked and returned. And Kuzya is not an aircraft carrier; there, apart from aviation, dofiga nishtyakov. What are the problems, black smoke? Everything on the afterburner smokes, except for reactors with a triangle icon
                      Yes, but I didn’t get the planned one before the planned date, and after this operation the Admiral Kuznetsov was sent for indefinite repair, and there were big losses among the carrier-based aircraft. Yes, and upon arrival at Admiral Kuznetsov’s home, the first thing they took off the boilers ... ..
                      The old Iraqi 55th were outfitted with aircraft. A tower was demolished near Chelendzhr, Abramsy in the distance, tankers and tankers are waiting, swearing clean air filters
                      in general, the Challengers independently shot the T-55, well, here's another example for you - the battle of al-Najaf.
                      I do not, but these are statements by your intelligence. In general, it is equivalent to signing your own impotence
                      I don’t trust the US intelligence reports as well as I don’t trust the intelligence of the Russian Federation, and it’s stupid, the President didn’t establish relations with the Russian Federation, as he would have lived in the world
                      Killed! I believe! "I myself am a Crimean, daughter of an officer, believe me ..." wassat
                      you would get the T-50 in 2030 .... laughing , well, if the economy doesn’t fall apart, then you can release the first 100 Armats laughing . UAVs will not appear until probably from China on the online store do not order.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 18 October 2017 09: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        you would get the T-50 in 2030 .... but if the economy doesn’t fall apart, you can release the first 100 Armat. UAVs will not appear until you probably order from the PRC via the online store.

                        Your optimism pleases. Continue. Especially regarding the modernization of trash from the M60 and attempts to somehow improve your armored shed, the M1 is in modifications. And the brave warriors look pitifully on this similarity of the Hitler Tiger in the swamps of the Baltic.
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        in general, the Challengers independently shot the T-55, well, here's another example for you - the battle of al-Najaf.

                        Oh oh .. and in Fallujah, how did you hang up the plush shamefully forgotten?
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        "Admiral Kuznetsov" was sent for indefinite repair, and there were big losses among carrier-based aircraft. Yes, and upon arrival at their homeland, "Admiral Kuznetsov" first removed the boilers .....

                        Continue to be optimistic, who believes in Amer’s invincibility will always be disappointed when faced with a Russian fist.
                      2. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 01
                        0
                        Yes, only the M1 shot poor Iraqi T-72s and showed complete superiority over them. And the T-72 will be older than Abrams.
                        Oh oh .. and in Fallujah, how did you hang up the plush shamefully forgotten?
                        single failure, against the backdrop of a brilliantly conducted war.
                        Continue to be optimistic, who believes in Amer’s invincibility will always be disappointed when faced with a Russian fist.
                        already the Russians were trying to strike with their fist in the Russo-Japanese War, and in the Crimean, and in the First World War .... The USSR was trying to stop us, and it itself fell apart.
                  3. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 01: 22
                    11
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Fleet is a universal policy tool по всему мируEtc.

                    And especially - off the coast of Belarus (C) laughing
                  4. CT-55_11-9009
                    CT-55_11-9009 18 October 2017 09: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    The fleet is a universal policy tool worldwide

                    Yeah, especially somewhere in Altai, you know. Go to the jungle of the Amazon. Although, what am I doing, you have the Sixth Fleet, capable of digging and burying the seas.
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Romanians, in the upgraded 55s, at the competitions Abrams rolled out, but you do not go to biathlon, for some reason, although request from the tribal
                    look at the battle of Basra. Or, in general, read about the Gulf War.

                    You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma. The battles of Basra are “bygone days,” and the competition is today. And, I understand, you do not want to reveal the true potential of your tankers. More precisely, impotence.
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Believe me, compared with the problems of the army of the Russian Federation, these are miserable problems.

                    Wow, don't you spell it out? As you would explain to yourself, please. That is, like an idiot.
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 13
                      0
                      Yeah, especially somewhere in Altai, you know. Go to the jungle of the Amazon. Although, what am I doing, you have the Sixth Fleet, capable of digging and digging the seas
                      as a rule, a landlocked state is very poor and can easily be defeated, even without a fleet.
                      You about Thomas, and you about Yeryoma. The battles of Basra are “bygone days,” and the competition is today. And, I understand, you do not want to reveal the true potential of your tankers. More precisely, impotence.
                      firstly. Tank competitions do not show real combat value, real warfare is a real experience and a real indicator. secondly. If the battles at Barca have been like this for your long time, then the last battles of the tank troops of the Russian Federation are already the Stone Age.
                      Wow, don't you spell it out? As you would explain to yourself, please. That is, like an idiot.
                      Again, these eternal Russian insults ..... you would do ships with such tenacity. Well, I’ll tell you well.
                      1) a very outdated fleet
                      2) obsolete aviation
                      3) a lot of long-term construction of ships, aircraft and equipment
                      1. CT-55_11-9009
                        CT-55_11-9009 19 October 2017 10: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        as a rule, a landlocked state is very poor and can easily be defeated, even without a fleet.

                        This is not always the case, the Czech Republic itself has no access to the sea, however it is not poor (much less so) and it is still capable of resisting with dignity. Switzerland is the talk of the town, after all, an international banker. True, the neutrals will not fight to the last.
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        Tank competitions do not show real combat value, a real war is a real experience and a real indicator.

                        Real value - they will not show, right. However, the coherence of the crews - as well as the capabilities of the equipment, some of its weaknesses (which is really a secret).
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        If the battles at Barca have been like this for you for a long time, then the last battles of the tank troops of the Russian Federation are already the Stone Age.

                        The last tank battles at Barca (Barcelona) were in the late 30s of the last century, for a second. The last tank battles of the USSR / Russia will be fresher. And if on the topic - it’s good that they have not been around for a long time, although our tanks were used in almost all conflicts. But in absolute majority - not against tanks.
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        Again, these eternal Russian insults ..... you would do ships with such tenacity. Well, I’ll tell you well.
                        1) a very outdated fleet
                        2) obsolete aviation
                        3) a lot of long-term construction of ships, aircraft and equipment

                        Thank you for your favor, monsieur. And then point by point:
                        1) Well, there’s nothing to cover here, except for constant repairs and for once - modernization. On the other hand, Russia is not a maritime country, but a land one; the fleet is needed mainly for coastal defense and flag demonstrations. The first has not been tested for quite some time, and the second passes.
                        2) This is how to look. By the way, the fleet is being updated, but the “oldies” are not in a hurry to send to the warehouses either, so there is an ambiguous situation.
                        3) Well, what is needed - they are building quickly, for example, our new icebreaker - they built it in two years. But with the Su-57 the situation is incomprehensible. I suppose that they don’t want to make a large batch of “semi-finished product” with further costs for remaking. Not special, I don’t know what is cooked in the KLA and Moscow region and how. "The giraffe is big, he knows better." And with technology - probably in the garden "Almaty" stone. Here, probably, the price played. But they were going to upgrade the T-90 fleet to the Breakthrough-3 level, which is awesome and the T-14 is not inferior in characteristics. We will see.
                      2. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 19 October 2017 18: 22
                        0
                        This is not always the case, the Czech Republic itself has no access to the sea, however it is not poor (much less so) and it is still capable of resisting with dignity.
                        The Czech Republic is part of the Eurozone. If it were not, the economy would be much weaker.
                        The last tank battles at Barca (Barcelona) were in the late 30s of the last century, for a second.
                        Sorry, a typo has occurred.
                        3) Well, what you need - they build quickly
                        Well, when someone really wants, then you can do it in the Russian Federation.
              3. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 23: 47
                +9
                Abrams has already shown almost complete superiority over

                Adolf Hitler, too, “Tigers” and “Panthers” boasted ...... And how did he feel then?
                Russian soldier - he is a soldier with a machine gun, and with a sapper shovel-soldier, and with a bayonet-knife and with his bare hands - SOLDIER !!!!
                But one in twenty or 16 against 300, I don’t remember this in the American army ......
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 00: 24
                  +4
                  I don’t know how Hitler felt, but he certainly wouldn’t want to face the Tiger sitting in the T-34.
                  1. alean245
                    alean245 18 October 2017 01: 07
                    +8
                    But would you like sitting in a tiger to face the IL-2, to the eyeballs of loaded pubs? Or get into an anti-tank ambush?
                    1. True
                      True 18 October 2017 11: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: alean245
                      But would you like sitting in a tiger to face the IL-2, to the eyeballs of loaded pubs? Or get into an anti-tank ambush?
                      And who is stronger than Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris?
                      In the boarding school for “special” children with wifi, the password has flown? According to sabzh: the mattress pad is right.
                  2. family tree
                    family tree 18 October 2017 01: 25
                    +5
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    but I certainly wouldn’t want to face the “Tiger” sitting in the T-34.

                    Oskin Alexander Petrovich
                    Lviv-Sandomierz operation, T-34-85 commander, three "Royal Tigers" in one battle request Yes, from an ambush, but nefig climb without intelligence soldier
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 01: 35
                      +2
                      I don’t argue, only on such tank aces did you know how many other, unknown crews who died in a collision with the Tigers? There are a lot. Human losses in the USSR, especially during tank battles, were many times higher than in Germany.
                      1. family tree
                        family tree 18 October 2017 01: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        Human losses in the USSR, especially during tank battles, were many times higher than in Germany.

                        We had more tanks.
                        Now look
                        1 Tiger and infantry regiment, or 30 T-34 and two infantry battalions.
                        I’m not even considering the option “Germans are coming”. Well, guess who will win? And yes, there were much more infantry killed than tankers, because there were more infantry than tankers. In the Patriotic War of 1812, not a single tanker died, there were no tanks request
                  3. family tree
                    family tree 18 October 2017 01: 45
                    +5
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    but I certainly wouldn’t want to face the “Tiger” sitting in the T-34.

                    Mnatsakov Alexander Sidorovich
                    In the 43rd crew of the 34th, stupidly cut out the calculation of the German VET that knocked out their native 34th
                    In the 44th he drove into the 34th “Tiger” to such an extent that he fell into a ditch and surrendered
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 01: 56
                      +1
                      The only answer I can give is that I will give data on losses in the Battle of Kursk. Losses of the USSR: 6064 tanks and self-propelled guns, Losses of Germany: 1000 tanks according to German data, 1500 - according to Soviet.
                      1. family tree
                        family tree 18 October 2017 02: 00
                        +5
                        Quote: Tomahawk
                        I will answer you only by giving data on losses in the Battle of Kursk.

                        I will answer You by the fact that I will provide data on the results of the 2MB Losses of Germany and satellites: All tanks.
                      2. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 18 October 2017 02: 19
                        +2
                        So what? we are not arguing about the concept of war, but about losses.
                        We had more tanks.
                        well, because they won by number, and the commanders didn’t care about the fate of the 29 crews (exaggerated). And I would not want to be in the T-34, going into battle against the Tiger.
                      3. LAWNER
                        LAWNER 18 October 2017 03: 50
                        +1
                        We lost not only the battle, but also the War!
                      4. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 18 October 2017 08: 18
                        13
                        And I would not want to be in the T-34, going into battle against the Tiger.

                        Yes, it was hard for Soviet tankmen. Maybe American was easier? Would you go against the Tiger on Sherman?
                        R.S. Yes, I watched the movie "Rage." Yes, I know about flirting tactics. Believe me, other things being equal, the Soviet tankers used it.
                        R.S. R.S. As for the losses on the Kursk Bulge. In the Soviet tank army of 1943, there were about 800 tanks and self-propelled guns, and there were only four. These are 3200 cars. And in your opinion, it turns out that the Germans destroyed almost eight tank armies in one major battle. Do you yourself believe in what you write?
              4. Anchonsha
                Anchonsha 18 October 2017 12: 05
                +1
                Your fleet is already wary of entering the Sea of ​​Japan, dear. Only a few go at their own peril and risk going there. But your fleet no longer approaches the Middle Sea. Why is this so, dear?
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 42
                  +1
                  In 1943 alone, almost 3000 Su-76s were fired, I did not say that Sherman was better than the Tiger. The Tigers successfully fought against the T-34 and the Sherman.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 20 October 2017 06: 43
                    +7
                    Oh and tired of the Tigers then. The Russians faced the Tigers - yes, a strong adversary and began to silently beat them. And the Americans tigers touted stronger than the Germans themselves. And for what? To show how strong they are. And now this trend has not ended. And so wherever you stick. For three years you had no time to open a second front in Europe, you were busy in Africa and in the Pacific. And as it smelled of Russia's sole victory, you are right there. Landing in Normandy - the guards of the Atlantic Wall and the only SS Panzer Division Hitler Youth decently piled on you. The landing party was dropped off - the Market Garden, so they ditched it almost completely, they did not achieve their goals, they did not fulfill the tasks. In the Ardennes, the Germans somehow gathered their strength and made you a big kirdyk. Who rushed to the rescue? Stalin ordered Zhukov to launch an unprepared offensive in the east, otherwise you would get even more. You have been tinkering with Japan since the 42nd year and still nothing. The Soviet army, according to the agreement, smashed the Kwantung army and you quickly defeated the Japanese, while completely unjustifiably using nuclear weapons. But they did it only to scare us. Happened? I will not go into the post-war period.
          3. APASUS
            APASUS 17 October 2017 22: 09
            +5
            Quote: Tomahawk
            And what you don’t like about the quality, the US army has no equal in terms of armament. And to say that the Russians are the most daring, as it is presumptuous

            Something super US army shamefully fled from Afghanistan, from the army of the state officially located in the "Stone Age", although not even from the army, but from the rebels.
            Your quality is largely the result of advertising.
            The best tank in the world, according to all ratings, American Abrams, it turns out you can destroy the ancient RPG-7
            1. Tomahawk
              Tomahawk 17 October 2017 22: 44
              +3
              The USSR army also fled from Afghanistan. And the US has not yet escaped.
              I assure you, if you shoot well from an RPG-7, you can destroy any armored vehicles. And Abrams has already shown his almost complete superiority over the T-72. With electronic stuffing, US weapons have almost no equal. I recognize the advantage of the Russian Federation’s armament in the price category, and the possibility of rapid release of cars in large numbers in the event of a great war. Although this is still from the USSR.
              1. poquello
                poquello 17 October 2017 23: 39
                +5
                Quote: Tomahawk
                Abrams has already shown his almost complete superiority over the T-72.

                have birdcages learned to do long ago? still not a fact that bourgeois normally protect
              2. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 23: 53
                +9
                USSR army also fled from Afghanistan

                The army of the USSR did not run away, but left on the orders of the Supreme Hunchback bought by Bush, who sold the army, homeland and people.
              3. albert
                albert 18 October 2017 00: 07
                +3
                Quote: Tomahawk
                The USSR Army also fled from Afghanistan. And the United States has not yet escaped.

                So Russia will begin to deliver weapons to the Taliban in the quantities that the United States supplied the Mujahideen against the Union, so run away. You also throw your underpants on the go to run faster.
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                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 18 October 2017 08: 33
                    12
                    That is, in your opinion, the USA can finance thugs and supply them with weapons and create IS. At the same time, you have a high opinion of Americans. And as soon as the OPPOSITION was expressed to act against them in the same way, your opinion of the Russians fell rapidly. Apparently, it was far from high already. The conclusion suggests itself both about you and your opinion. negative
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 27
                      0
                      Create IG? Where is the evidence?
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 18 October 2017 15: 39
                        +7
                        Who else would require proof. Have you ever given it yourself?
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                      1. Smog
                        Smog 18 October 2017 18: 13
                        +4
                        about! Another bot drew! Well, shit, shit !!!!
                      2. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 18 October 2017 20: 06
                        10
                        Our opinion of you appeared on your uniform. I think that in real life you are unlikely to express your opinion in the presence of at least one Russian.
                        The American is proud of his country and is ready to fill his face to everyone who does not agree.
                        Russian mother Russia how much in vain and without hesitation will break the face of everyone who agrees with him.
                        This is for you to note. Without threats, but to understand the situation.
              4. APASUS
                APASUS 18 October 2017 17: 31
                0
                Quote: Tomahawk
                The USSR army also fled from Afghanistan.

                Unlike you, I did not say that the USSR army has no equal in terms of armament and without ................ should I copy your words again?
                Quote: Tomahawk
                And the United States has not yet escaped.

                Run away run away! In 2011, the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan, ISAF had 101 thousand only Americans, I'm not talking about the rest.
                Do you have to write how much now or do you find yourself?
                You don’t want to admit defeat, but I can remind you of an open letter to Obama.
                'Open Letter' to Obama on Afghanistan Omits Key Questions
                http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/06/open-lett
                er-obama-afghanistan-omits-key-questions / 129061 /
                Quote: Tomahawk
                .A Abrams has already shown its almost complete superiority over the T-72. The USA has almost no equal in electronic stuffing.

                Are you again for yours?
                Yes, it’s not electronics fighting for the crew, how do you want to understand this? The Afghans have no rangefinders, BAIS, SOU and nevertheless they kicked you ..................
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 19: 36
                  0
                  You know, until the radical groups of the USA completely capture the power in Afghanistan, they didn’t lose. And what about the fact that the troops withdrew? US aviation is still helping. After stabilization in the region, almost all countries withdraw troops.
                  Yes, it’s not electronics fighting for the crew, how do you want to understand this? The Afghans have no rangefinders, BAIS, SOU and nevertheless they kicked you ..................
                  With all due respect, I didn’t hear something about the high-profile victories of the Taliban over the US Army, quite the opposite. There were many brilliant victories over the Taliban, with minimal losses. At all stages of the war.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 18 October 2017 20: 11
                    +8
                    Thomas, learn how to put punctuation marks correctly. In Russian, they play a very large role. Here is this passage how to understand?
                    You know, until the radical groups of the USA completely seize power in Afghanistan

                    Does the US government not know that it has captured Afghanistan?Learn how to put them correctly.
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 20: 46
                      0
                      You know, write everything in my language without errors. I laugh.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 18 October 2017 21: 36
                        +8
                        Well, it’s not my luck in life to learn English, I got French at school and institute, a little German in the army.
                        You know, write everything in my language without errors. I laugh.
                        Even if I knew English perfectly, I would not go to English-language sites to teach their participants life. But this action not only does not bother you, but apparently enters into ecstasy. That is why they do not like to see you in VO. But this does not concern all Americans, here on the site there are participants under the American flag and with the rank of general. Here they are, as adequate people, accepted by other participants as equal and worthy people. Do you understand?
          4. papas-57
            papas-57 17 October 2017 22: 46
            +4
            `` the level of armament in the U.S. Army has no equal. '' You will not praise yourself, no one will praise. And there are no equal to the United States at prices for mediocre weapons touted by the best advertisers in the world. The advertisement is engine of the trade.
          5. poquello
            poquello 17 October 2017 23: 30
            +4
            Quote: Tomahawk
            in terms of armaments, the US Army has no equal.

            and hto here about arrogance?
          6. Weyland
            Weyland 18 October 2017 01: 02
            +1
            Quote: Tomahawk
            the U.S. Army has no equal in armament. And to say that the Russians are the most daring, is presumptuous

            That the US Army has no equal in terms of armaments - it’s somehow presumptuous to speak! laughing
            1. True
              True 18 October 2017 11: 30
              +1
              Quote: Weyland
              That the US Army has no equal in terms of armaments - it’s somehow presumptuous to speak!
              Fool or something, I do not understand? Well, then who? Starships of the cosmic forces of Putin ?!
          7. Graz
            Graz 18 October 2017 03: 36
            +1
            you crap everywhere wherever possible in recent decades read here that the Poles write about your army, you spend the entire budget on cuts from f35 to 400 million per piece, on toilet covers for 600 bucks, on reform of gays and transvestites in the army, and so on ram
            http://inosmi.ru/politic/20171018/240544638.html
            1. Tomahawk
              Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 27
              +1
              Where exactly did we lose the war? Probably the only one in Vietnam is a couple of regional conflicts.
              F-35 is a very good machine, they would be silent, you yourself do not have a single 5th generation fighter.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 18 October 2017 20: 34
                +8
                Thomas, this statement
                F-35 is a very good car
                on what basis is done? Put him at least 99+, he’s still dvoeshnik, until he shows himself in real business. Here is an example: two comrades served in my unit, they graduated from the same technical school (college), and studied in the same group. One gouging and barely finished by three - the deputy chief of the unit, captain, and was repairing the most "killed" equipment. The second graduated with honors, but stuck a nail instead of a fuse, with the words "everything superfluous will burn itself out", the senior warrant officer, was written off for health.
                Praise the F-35 can only pilots who won it. IMHO.
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 20: 52
                  0
                  Well, you know, on the Su-35, too, there has not yet been a single victory in the air, but even I admit that the car is good. You can also judge by performance characteristics.
                  1. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 18 October 2017 21: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    Well, you know, on the Su-35, too, there has not yet been a single victory in the air, but even I admit that the car is good. You can also judge by performance characteristics.



                    The su-27 and the mig-29 weren’t either .. by the way
                  2. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 18 October 2017 21: 40
                    +8
                    Did I even mention the word Su-35? Or did I boast that I am a fighter pilot?
                    You can judge by the performance characteristics.
                    Amateurs are judged by TTX, pros are judged by their own experience.
    2. papas-57
      papas-57 17 October 2017 20: 06
      17
      You need less to watch American ads and listen to American experts. But the reality is that the United States does not have any miracle weapons, either in the Air Force or in the missile defense system. Yesterday, International News published an official statement by the Syrian Ministry of Defense. According to this statement, the Israeli Air Force aircraft at 8.51 (the same as Moscow time) violated Syrian airspace on the border with Lebanon in the Baalbek region, and therefore were attacked by air defense systems. One of the aircraft received direct hits.

      Many were skeptical of this statement, because the Syrians have repeatedly talked about the destruction of Israeli aircraft, but no evidence was presented.

      Last night, Israeli media reported an incident with one of its latest F-35 fighters. According to news agencies, "the F-35 fighter is out of order after a collision with a bird." The pilot managed to land the plane in normal mode. There were no casualties as a result of the incident. The F-35 needs to be repaired, and it is not known whether it will be able to “return to duty,” since the collision affected a large part of the fuselage, as well as the stealth coating, which provided the aircraft with “invisibility”.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 09
        0
        I read the statements of the Russian General Staff, and cited above the opinion of the general Letenant, a link to NTV
      2. True
        True 18 October 2017 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: papas-57
        You need less to watch American ads and listen to American experts. But the reality is that the United States does not have any miracle weapons, either in the Air Force or in the ABM. Yesterday, International News published
        That's all I wanted to say.
        1. papas-57
          papas-57 18 October 2017 12: 08
          0
          ''That's all I wanted to say''. And I still have it - Last night, Israeli media reported an incident with one of its latest F-35 fighters. According to news agencies, "the F-35 fighter is out of order after a collision with a bird."
    3. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 17 October 2017 20: 10
      +7
      That's right, the DPRK, and then Iran will soon be equipped with the appropriate systems capable of overcoming the US missile defense systems .. It’s not forever for Russia to stand alone on guard of peace and stability!
      Putin interprets correctly, the world must be multipolar! And then they all raised in Russian barking ..
      ..
    4. Komsomol
      Komsomol 17 October 2017 20: 11
      +5
      Yes, our exhsperds have heard, they have heard ... They, besides themselves, their beloved ones, do not want to hear and see anyone else point blank ... hi
    5. Primoos
      Primoos 17 October 2017 20: 11
      +5
      50 percent, this is fucking! The remaining 50 percent is not a pity? This is also fucking! Let there, beyond the puddle, rely on the first or second.
      1. True
        True 18 October 2017 15: 23
        +1
        Quote: Primoos
        50 percent, this is fucking! The remaining 50 percent is not a pity? This is also fucking! Let there, beyond the puddle, rely on the first or second.
        Mace to bring down the most. Out of 26 starts, successful 18 = 69%
    6. Cutter
      Cutter 17 October 2017 21: 26
      +8
      I don’t quite understand what’s next? Ironing this space, I confirm, I myself taught the "specialists", but they are "quiet" ... Sleep, it's time ...
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    8. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 18 October 2017 00: 07
      0
      So right after the DPRK missiles, I hope ours and the Chinese will fly. One must be an idiot not to take advantage of such a moment. And America will kirdyk, as Bodrov said in the movie "Brother." Tell me, American, what is the strength?
    9. kos2910
      kos2910 18 October 2017 05: 36
      0
      Quote: BlackMokona
      SM-3

      Of course, 50% on test launches is not an indicator, but the SM-3, although adopted, is still undergoing testing. And the passage about AK - what is this nonsense?
    10. 73bor
      73bor 18 October 2017 08: 02
      +1
      It’s just that the American missile defense system in Europe was designed to confidently defeat 500 of our missiles, provided that our funds would constantly degrade and be withdrawn from combat duty, but in reality everything went completely un-American, the Strategic Missile Forces upgraded the old ones and started putting new ones on the database, there were no degradations happened, now they’re squeezing it out of the missile defense system, although with their close proximity to our border and the complete lack of mobility (a third of the Burka was dug into the ground), it is undermined by OTR or tactical aircraft!
  2. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 October 2017 20: 02
    +3
    Dance Russia and cry Europe! You got a 50% off ... Bullshit, in short ... And is this bullshit getting ready to stop Eun?
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 17 October 2017 22: 55
      +2
      And is this garbage getting ready to stop Eun?

      2 airfields for carcasses were mothballed. Like BE for semi-strategies, they are Tu-23 with a mogobukaf. What are the chances of the Yankees surviving the American AUG if we are offended? And if the Chinese are offended?
      These are the times We live
      1. Graz
        Graz 18 October 2017 03: 39
        +1
        for aug only one vigorous warhead is enough
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 17 October 2017 20: 08
    +6
    Hmm. And in our country, one expert said to the whole MO that all of our missiles are being lost. And modeled everything
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 11
      0
      It’s very fun that a couple of US journalists’ names are great experts for you than the generals at our headquarters.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 17 October 2017 20: 14
        +4
        Quote: BlackMokona
        It’s very fun that a couple of US journalists’ names are great experts for you than the generals at our headquarters.

        It was only last week, and the name of Yeksperd was forgotten and he is Russian. By the way, here the natives, in the sense of obtuse experts, got him a little bit turbulent. I would also take a walk, but ...
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 15
          0
          This is three four times a year, then the president, then someone else from the top speaks about the danger of missile defense for our nuclear forces.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 17 October 2017 20: 22
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            This is three four times a year, then the president, then someone else from the top speaks about the danger of missile defense for our nuclear forces.

            This is just understandable and normal. I’m talking about a report for the Ministry of Defense by a certain brow that all the missiles go astray, and at the initial stage all of this is de simulated
            1. KCA
              KCA 17 October 2017 21: 18
              +3
              Well, what kind of hellish missile defense for the United States, from some Romania to shoot down a missile launched, say, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory? That's it, I'm going to buy a white sheet, otherwise everything is colored, I’ll cover and I will wait
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 17 October 2017 21: 33
                +3
                Quote: KCA
                Well, what are the hellish US missile defense

                I myself don’t know how to 97% fill up slower minutits with tridents, on more advanced equipment, like the S-400, but here there are a lot of false targets with a screen, but in general I don’t know. The data in this article 50 to 50 is also taken from the ceiling or in Blonlinsky: “Meeting or not meeting” hi
                The same North Korean is very difficult to intercept
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 21: 56
                  +9
                  Volodya, this is not the special one who wrote here that the American missile defense, Poplar, almost destroy the container ....?
                  Yes, the article was funny, "modeled" ... laughing wink
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 17 October 2017 22: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: Solomon Kane
                    Yes, the article was funny, "modeled."

                    Not well. I hope this person meant. Only if We attack the Pioneers and ground S-500, S350, Marine Poliment Redututov will not be in principle. Well, I know that people will come from the factory and screw in a screwdriver, from which every penguin will be seen as if on hand drinks
                    1. Solomon Kane
                      Solomon Kane 17 October 2017 23: 59
                      +5
                      Volodya, this is one of those examples when these "modelers" modeled the war between Kiev and Moscow, on the principle: if my grandmother had a member .... she would be a grandfather wink
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 18 October 2017 04: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Solomon Kane
                        and, on the principle: if my grandmother would have a member .... she would be a grandfather
                        E. No. No. The Yankees didn’t bother us, so that our grandmother remembered herself as a grandfather. Everything is simple- Flew up and yeah, but did not fly, then Trump report they were not shot down
      2. True
        True 18 October 2017 11: 37
        +2
        Do not waste time and nerves, do not reach out.
  4. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 October 2017 20: 12
    +4
    No rocket mattresses are able to withstand our PCB missile defense. DOT! wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2017 20: 22
      +5
      But the number of missile defense in the USA is increasing every year - to rewind time twenty years ago, then there weren’t any SM 3s and it was safe to say that the US missile defense system is not able to intercept our warheads, now the situation has radically changed - not in our favor.
      1. poquello
        poquello 18 October 2017 00: 19
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        it was safe to say that the US missile defense system is not capable of intercepting our warheads, now the situation has radically changed - not in our favor.

        iii and what is the percentage of interception of maneuvering units?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 October 2017 20: 51
          0
          There are no maneuvering warheads in nature, there is an established program for a complex flight path - warheads do not see anti-ballistic missiles flying in them and they cannot maneuver from them.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 21: 11
            +5
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are no maneuvering warheads in nature, there is an established program for a complex flight path - warheads do not see anti-ballistic missiles flying in them and they cannot maneuver from them.

            The guided combat unit (UBB) 15F178, designed for a long flight in the atmosphere, was designed in a biconical design, pitch and yaw control was provided by a deflectable conical stabilizer, and roll control was provided by aerodynamic rudders. Outside the atmosphere, the maneuvering of the warhead was ensured by the power-propulsion system of reactive thrust operating on liquefied carbon dioxide
          2. poquello
            poquello 19 October 2017 00: 06
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are no maneuvering warheads in nature,

            smoke a vocabulary, study the meaning of words, in the control cheating exercise - so as not to write "warheads" instead of "blocks".
            so what percentage? that with the program on the trajectory
  5. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 October 2017 20: 13
    +9
    I understand that missiles are expensive.
    But why did they decide that Kim had 9 missiles.
    Got information from ukrov about the number of engines sold?
    1. Graz
      Graz 18 October 2017 03: 41
      0
      Kim Yao was still with the dad of the current leader of the DPRK, Putin recently told about this, delivery vehicles can be different not only missiles, maybe even the North Korean charge will not wait for its hour
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 October 2017 20: 20
    +1
    each missile needs to be launched - four of its missiles, which means that in the event of even a small attack from North Korea and with a high degree of probability only the first 8-9 missiles will be shot down.
    WONDERFUL. And what about sea-based missiles? Or, as always: Wolf: "Well, hare, push me with your paw, push me, I showed! Oh, well, you are a strong man!" (cartoon: A gift for the weakest)
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 17 October 2017 20: 23
      +1
      And on launchers it is strictly forbidden to naughty. drinks
      1. Sergey Fomenko
        Sergey Fomenko 17 October 2017 21: 03
        +3
        And anti-ballistic missile launchers are also forbidden to naughty?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 17 October 2017 22: 16
          0
          DPRK will be difficult to sink the US Navy
          1. Graz
            Graz 18 October 2017 03: 43
            0
            nothing complicated enough to blast one charge with yao not far from the grouping
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 17 October 2017 20: 49
      +6
      Pushing something pushed, but that's how you remember?
  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 October 2017 20: 26
    +6
    Even if a country uses 36 missiles in response to nine North Korean ICBMs, there remains a three percent chance that North Korea’s missiles will reach their goal in North America.
    Well, where does the DPRK have 9 missiles capable of threatening the territory of the United States? Their test launches very clearly demonstrate what they can, and where they are only approaching. And even if the Koreans begin to deploy their most long-range missiles, they will begin to crush at the starting positions.
    Therefore, America is pushing North Korea right now, when the Koreans have no real chance to attack the continental territory of the United States.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 17 October 2017 20: 51
      +6
      Alyosha, we are not in the General Staff, and therefore we don’t know much ...
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 17 October 2017 20: 54
    +7
    Praised by 97% of the effectiveness of missile defense, it is expected to be a bluff. From this it follows, which is also expected, that the mattresses will not start a nuclear war against the UN, because they are Sykuns.
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 18 October 2017 00: 12
      0
      Russian Ministry of Defense has a different opinion, they argue that the Americans underestimate the performance characteristics of missile defense ...
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 18 October 2017 00: 19
        +5
        History is silent about this, no one will tell the truth. But they underestimate or overestimate, there is no one who knows about it on the horizon.
      2. Graz
        Graz 18 October 2017 03: 45
        +1
        Yankees underestimate7
        don’t tell my slippers the opposite is true, they always overstate their weapons through the media. This can be seen in their ground forces and the so-called unkillable Abrams, who are completely crap in Iraq and Yemen.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 18 October 2017 03: 56
          0
          Quote: Graz
          yes don’t tell my slippers the opposite

          So come to the Ministry of Defense and declare that they are all stupid fellow
  9. tank66
    tank66 17 October 2017 20: 58
    +1
    What is the likelihood of meeting a dinosaur in Red Square? 50: 50. You will meet, you will not meet.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 17 October 2017 21: 17
      +2
      Tank66 hi And in what period of time do you plan to meet them, for 100000000000 years ago the chance was 99 percent lol
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 18 October 2017 01: 15
        0
        Quote: Herkulesich
        100000000000 years ago, the chance was 99 percent

        100000000000 years ago, even the Big Bang was not yet .... laughing Did you try to count your toes? Three extra ones, seem?tongue
    2. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 17 October 2017 22: 40
      0
      This is a joke from probability theory.
      Probability is the ratio of the number of events of interest to the number of all events (n / k). The number of events of interest to us is zero (n = 0), because dinosaurs became extinct about 65 million years ago. Therefore, the probability of this event is zero.
      But with the probability of overcoming the US missile defense is not so simple.
    3. papas-57
      papas-57 17 October 2017 22: 50
      0
      '' What is the likelihood of meeting a dinosaur in Red Square? 50: 50. You will meet, you will not meet. '' That's right, you come - there are no dinosaurs, they come - you are not. So do not meet.
    4. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 17 October 2017 23: 42
      0
      The probability is 100%, .... just go to the Mausoleum ..
  10. Whaler
    Whaler 17 October 2017 21: 07
    0
    And if we send three and thirty later? )))
  11. izya top
    izya top 17 October 2017 21: 16
    +1
    The real effectiveness of the US missile defense is just over 50 percent
    on the contrary, the DPRK, probably somewhere like that ... but in real life, I drank aaabaldenny fellow
  12. Sergey D_2
    Sergey D_2 17 October 2017 21: 25
    +3
    After the passage of Rust, one has to actively doubt.
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 17 October 2017 23: 46
      +4
      These questions, about Rust, to the Tagged .... The command to shoot down did not arrive ...
      By the way, according to Powers, the same garbage was, the division com took responsibility without the go-ahead from above ...
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 00: 02
        +5
        We hope that now the hand does not flinch .... good
  13. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 October 2017 21: 36
    +2
    And it all seems to me that our overseas "partners" are simply engaged in razbaltsovochkoy and stupidly sawing budgetary babosy bully After all, it is well known that in this case we can (hypothetically) make a missile capable of overcoming missile defense much cheaper and more effective than defending the side to develop a counter-tool what
    And since the potential achressor (judging by the actual actions due to its concepts of global impact and the weight of the Pentagon’s budget in comparison with other “axes of evil” in the world) brings us about defense in the form of missile defense, it’s probably bluffing to know ... Maneuver , that means, to divert eyes, and under this disguise, the adversary conceived an unhealthy adversary against us. what For such thoughts are constantly present in the camp of the enemy winked
    Current, the quickest commissioning of the BRD and the development of more active means to guarantee the overcoming of missile defense can cool these unhealthy heads in Fashington soldier
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 17 October 2017 21: 39
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      than defending side to develop a counter-tool

      Yes. This applies to our air defense - one tomahawk is cheaper than one S-400 missile. request
      1. Sergey Fomenko
        Sergey Fomenko 17 October 2017 21: 52
        +1
        With 400 and a tomahawk - how is it?
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 17 October 2017 21: 58
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        This applies to our air defense - one tomahawk is cheaper than one S-400 missile.

        S-400 is one of the components of integrated air defense, which also includes medium and short range systems. The main thing is to find Tut in time, and there they’ll figure out who should meet what clothes repeat It seems that along the perimeter a solid radar field has already been arranged (or close to this), now we need to close the sky over strategic areas, depending on the value of this. And preferably layered.
        But aviation can work on the same Tomogavkas. So, not everything is so cloudless - we can bring them down with cheap means. Another thing is that we can’t quantify this problem. what
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 October 2017 23: 04
          +2
          Yeah, with a hundred Shells, we really will cover the territory of Russia with cruise missiles and tactical planning bombs, which can fly under 70000 from all NATO and US carriers. In the future, the first disarming strike on air defense systems will be delivered by hypersonic drones and kamikaze drones - one such will be simulate the raid of dozens of aircraft, through which hundreds of missiles will be launched into the void by air defense divisions, and if this device is not knocked down, it will detect a battery and hit the main radar or control center. And there will be hundreds of such aircraft. The way out is to create a new SAM with hypersonic missiles and a radar capable of recognizing tricky interference. And also the AWACS unmanned aircraft, capable of being in the air for several days - it can be a thermoplane with a powerful radar.
          1. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 17 October 2017 23: 50
            +1
            Cheaper to get balloons with radar
          2. poquello
            poquello 18 October 2017 00: 33
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            one of them will simulate the raid of dozens of aircraft, through which hundreds of missiles of the air defense missile divisions will be launched into the void, and if this device is not shot down, it will detect a battery and hit the main radar or control center. And there will be hundreds of such aircraft.

            well, replace the word “aircraft” with a rocket and there will be our videoconferencing, as I understand it, the bourgeois writer whom you read draws future attacks of Americans from our current systems, it’s fun
          3. tezey
            tezey 18 October 2017 00: 41
            +1
            In the future, it will not be so either. Flying saucers with death rays from a height of hundreds of kilometers will burn out the launch positions of the Strategic Missile Forces and Air Defense, and then hundreds of thousands of androids will descend from the hypersonic stealth shuttles and here we will get a kapets.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 October 2017 20: 53
              0
              Do not be ironic, such UAVs already exist, are put on bombers - like electronic warfare systems, as well as ammunition barrage.
      3. Sergib
        Sergib 17 October 2017 22: 00
        0
        Tomahawk made in china?
  14. Old26
    Old26 17 October 2017 23: 28
    +2
    MASTERPIECE !!!!!!!!!!

    Columnists War on the Rocks Ankit Panda and Vipin Narang praised the effectiveness of the US ground-based missile defense system on a marching flight site.
    The missiles of the ground-based missile defense system were tested 18 times, of which 10 were successful. This circumstance allows us to estimate the effectiveness of the ground-based system at 56 percent.


    Well this is a masterpiece of logic. If out of 18 missiles in the tests, 10 interceptions were successful (and mostly the last ones), then the efficiency of the system is 56%. Apparently, these columnists have not even heard of such a discipline as probability theory .... It's a pity. Maybe this would not have been written.
  15. Vadim237
    Vadim237 18 October 2017 00: 18
    +1
    The United States is creating an echelon missile defense system to minimize damage during a massive nuclear duel - it doesn’t matter with anyone, be it Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, India, Pakistan. It would be the same for Russia to create its own missile defense system, but alas, we do not have extra trillions of rubles to create a similar system like in Moscow - all over the country.
  16. tezey
    tezey 18 October 2017 00: 34
    +2
    50% efficiency for a missile defense system is decent. Decent for hitting a ballistic target missile. The only question is what kind of target. If a target with individual guidance blocks and a bunch of false targets is one thing, if a monoblock with a predictable trajectory is completely different, not to mention maneuvering warheads. And how will the American missile defense work when hundreds of warheads and thousands of false ones fly. What will be the percentage efficiency.
  17. Tomahawk
    Tomahawk 18 October 2017 02: 04
    0
    family tree,
    And this suggests that the crews of the T-34 lived better than the crews of the Tigers?
    1. family tree
      family tree 18 October 2017 03: 15
      +2
      Quote: Tomahawk
      And this suggests that the crews of the T-34 lived better than the crews of the Tigers?

      I don’t understand what No, then it’s heavy with heavy. The crews of the IS-2 lived better than the crews of the Tigers. IS-2, he carried the Tiger for 500 km, and the Tiger had to get into the NLD, or approach XNUMXm, which the Tigers commanders complained about to Guderian.
      1. Tomahawk
        Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 57
        0
        It’s foolish to compare the Tiger with the IS-2, the IS-2 appeared closer to the end of the war, it would be more logical to compare with the Tiger-2
        1. family tree
          family tree 18 October 2017 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: Tomahawk
          It’s foolish to compare the Tiger with the IS-2, the IS-2 appeared closer to the end of the war, it would be more logical to compare with the Tiger-2

          All. The tiger was the best at the Wehrmacht. KOTE Panther development, to the end problems with transmission
          Nonic was fortunate enough to drive to the Museum of Artillery, Engineering Mines and Communications, the same one in St. Petersburg with his son.
          So when he gave the guide information on Pak 43, and then on ZiS-3, I began to be proud of Naval Aviation from Moscow -300, but when he sailed on the D-30, I was disappointed in myself sad
        2. family tree
          family tree 18 October 2017 19: 59
          +3
          Quote: Tomahawk
          It’s foolish to compare the Tiger with the IS-2, the IS-2 appeared closer to the end of the war, it would be more logical to compare with the Tiger-2

          Yeah. Yes, we finally stupid, compare IS-2 with a Hollywood death star
          You would at least read about Balaton. Heinz said chot panzervaffe everything
          And yes, it was fun to watch the faces of the burghers who put cars in front of the gate, hoping for compensation, and some of them suddenly through the fence
          Throw the address in PM, I will send the contour maps and a set of color pencils
          you will draw and understand
          Lana, missus callback commands, well, the way to support the bullshit is that she’s the main
          We’ll check in bed right now
          And yours, like a serious military site, and the topic of boobs that conscripts, despite the bromine in jelly, nefig not disclosed wassat
          1. Tomahawk
            Tomahawk 18 October 2017 21: 09
            0
            Have you just written about anything now?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 18 October 2017 21: 46
              +9
              This is understandable only to those who served in the Soviet army. Do not worry, you still won’t understand, or you won’t drink so much with the Russians.
  18. family tree
    family tree 18 October 2017 03: 00
    +1
    Tomahawk,
    Quote: Tomahawk
    So what? we are not arguing about the concept of war, but about losses.
    We had more tanks.
    well, because they won by number, and the commanders didn’t care about the fate of the 29 crews (exaggerated). And I would not want to be in the T-34, going into battle against the Tiger.

    Bly-in !!! Yes, they always win by number! Ensuring at least a three-fold superiority in manpower and equipment in the direction of the main strike and deceiving the enemy in this direction works even if you are smaller than the enemy, and then shuruy behind the rear. 41-42 Germans did amazingly this, and suffered less losses than we did, 44-45 on the contrary. And with the Kwantung and landing on the Kuril Islands in general a paragraph.
    Well, spruces, tankers died more, so there are fewer infantry, well, hinted at the same, 1tigr and infantry regiment, or 30 T34 and 2 infantry battalions, all other things being equal. USA how many Sherman riveted? And now they decided the super-duper anti-tank self-propelled gun, yeah, just like the Germans, the wunderwaffe what 34 Germans threshed, T-60, T-70, also T-34. Aviation burned, so in the days of T-34 air defense we had slop, and the connection was neither ... nor the Red Army, and nonetheless. They also do not have a lot of tank aces, they are loudly promoted, except perhaps.
    And supermen with supertanks, only in Hollywood are, and in the unfulfilled dreams of one Austrian suicidal artist
    1. Tomahawk
      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 35
      0
      As your commander said "not by numbers but by skill." There are simply different concepts. If you are a country with expensive tanks, you need to quickly capture a neighboring country using a qualitative advantage. If the war dragged on, you need to quickly produce cheap tanks. Germany lost because of the concept, and underestimation of the depth of the territory of the USSR.
      1. family tree
        family tree 18 October 2017 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Tomahawk
        Germany lost due to the concept, and underestimation of the depth of the territory of the USSR.

        Germany lost due to the fact that Russia is not France and not Poland.
        Bullshit is that now we all remember. And Mudyug, and the Einsatzkommand, and Khatyn, and the entire liberal organized crime group.
        And the chance to survive with us, only by the Army. And then, if you don’t want, we’ll teach, you can’t, we’ll force it.
        Hard? Well, there will be no external management in Russia; And inside, at our showdown, we’ll figure it out ourselves, slowly go down the hill.
        Just pop up, scoop up at the very
        1. Tomahawk
          Tomahawk 18 October 2017 18: 03
          0
          For you, as for most residents of the Russian Federation, the war will end with Trident-2 getting into your city.
          1. family tree
            family tree 18 October 2017 19: 13
            +2
            Quote: Tomahawk
            For you, as for most residents of the Russian Federation, the war will end with Trident-2 getting into your city.

            For me, the Arkhangelsk forester, the war will end when they say they will catch me on the counter, somewhere under Vashigton.
            In the meantime, I, a starlee of the 3rd category, just know how to work with USMkoy, BAT-M and IMR. SVD and PC were also not canceled, AKM, but I slept in my arms, Arkhangelsk, we don’t get used to dying, but it’s expensive, awesome density by GSS, and at least take the boys with bows from Solovki. Will we take it? The consequences, your problems. No warranties. And finally, I Alaska, well, I love vodka in the cold soldier
            1. Tomahawk
              Tomahawk 18 October 2017 19: 28
              0
              Do you seriously think that you will defeat the United States? What? Strength of popular cohesion? In the event of war, the entire territory of the Russian Federation will be plowed up by explosions of YaB.
              1. family tree
                family tree 18 October 2017 20: 29
                +1
                Quote: Tomahawk
                Do you seriously think that you will defeat the United States? What? Strength of popular cohesion? In the event of war, the entire territory of the Russian Federation will be plowed up by explosions of YaB.

                I’m not going to win, I’ll just kill anyone who enters my land, with all my knowledge of engineer-sapper and forest stray
                You have an intervention battalion, in the 14th near Shenkursk what well, you’ll go, it’ll be gone, We are, and men and zhonok
                1. Tomahawk
                  Tomahawk 18 October 2017 20: 43
                  0
                  The use of nuclear weapons will nullify all your knowledge, all tanks and other types of weapons. The earth will end. Even survivors in third countries may not be. In general, this war is not needed by either side.
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 18 October 2017 21: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Tomahawk
                    The use of nuclear weapons will nullify all your knowledge,

                    Do you have it? Or as with the aglitsky trident, to the side of the light elves with self-destruction?
                    Your AUG from North Korea is lost, buy a card, and see where DPRK is and who Russia is
                    1. Tomahawk
                      Tomahawk 19 October 2017 19: 14
                      0
                      Well, we have a powerful submarine fleet that is guaranteed to smash any country on the planet.
              2. family tree
                family tree 18 October 2017 20: 45
                +2
                Quote: Tomahawk
                Do you seriously think that you will defeat the USA?

                We don’t need you, smoke there at home, but tuck in, don’t strain, yes it’s enough, we’ll just solve the problem and dig in, it’ll be enough, we’ll fill the barrow, IMRka
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 18 October 2017 21: 53
                  +8
                  Vladimir, welcome hi drinks Don’t feed this troll. Let him live in his illusions of the exceptionalism of the American army. If he sniffed gunpowder, he would not even ask questions. And so - a student of some kind, perfecting the language that he is studying.
  19. ver_
    ver_ 18 October 2017 03: 19
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    Quote: Jedi
    Chalov Alexey Yuryevich, can you calm down already? negative

    ... and why should he calm down - we mustache Jedi ...
  20. ver_
    ver_ 18 October 2017 03: 21
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    Quote: Sergey Fomenko
    With 400 and a tomahawk - how is it?

    ... silently ..
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    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 October 2017 09: 59
      +1
      Someone said under the Russian flag. Never a schiz ...
      1. lesabotage
        lesabotage 18 October 2017 17: 10
        0
        You can live in Russia, but not be Russian.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 18 October 2017 20: 40
          +9
          You can live and shit on it. And to the heap of blaming intolerance. What is missing then?
  22. groks
    groks 18 October 2017 07: 34
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    There is a book "ABM from the point of view of the Soviet colonel." Everything is well painted there. In a completely readable form.
  23. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 18 October 2017 11: 18
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    The American air defense system is in South Korea and Japan, and that not one North Korean missile was flying over was shot down. And when you consider that the Americans boast more than they have, then they probably have no air defense system. Recall the downed V-1 invisibility plane over Yugoslavia with our old missiles of the 60s. It is on their radars that this plane is not visible and on our old ones it was very visible.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2017 20: 58
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      Then in Yugoslavia they shot down F 117 - the first, raw, generation of invisibles.
  24. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 October 2017 11: 37
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    First, thousands of KR Tomahawk will fly from Berkov, who will not leave empty space on the shore, then aviation will turn on ....

    If the coast is within the range of thousands of krillat missiles, then the ships (Berkov) firing along the coast can also be within the range of krillat missiles launched from the coast. The difference is:
    1. The shore is awkward, and the ship can be
    2. On the shore you can place more as a quantity and larger in size krillat missiles than on ships.
    3. On the shore, you can place krillat missiles in such a structure, which is much more difficult to detect and in addition protection is much better than ships.
    1. Tomahawk
      Tomahawk 18 October 2017 16: 24
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      1. The shore is awkward, and the ship can be
      coordinating with AUG is much easier than from the shore. Everything will be known in advance. The ship has the advantage. It can move quickly. As long as all ground systems are deployed, Burke will quickly approach the launch launch distance of the KR and calmly leave.
      2. On the shore you can place more as a quantity and larger in size krillat missiles than on ships.
      undoubtedly, only the same time for the deployment of start-up mines, the delivery of missile defense, personnel, air defense systems, is much longer than the arrival of the AUG.
      3. On the shore, you can place krillat missiles in such a structure, which is much more difficult to detect and in addition protection is much better than ships.
      it’s also true, just believe when thousands of missiles fly in your direction, not armor, secrecy will help you, there’s just nothing left
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  25. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 18 October 2017 11: 52
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    The real effectiveness of the US missile defense is just over 50 percent

    The real effectiveness of the US missile defense against ICBMs today is 0 (zero) percent.
    1. There is not a single successful or unsuccessful test against BR with a range of 8-10 thousand kilometers.
    2. Not a single test was conducted against a target similar to the real and real time mashabe. All interceptions hit the target with a predetermined launch time and a predetermined path.
    3. Never conducted intercept tests of more than one ICBM, or although bi of one ICBM, but using the most elementary means of overcoming missile defense.
    4. The percentage of successful interceptions has not improved since time and officially amounts to 50% even in these greenhouse conditions, and some experts estimate real success at less than 10%.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2017 21: 16
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      "All interceptions hit the target with a predetermined launch time and a predetermined path." And this online detection will be handled by the SPRN PRO satellite constellation, together with ground-based surface and airborne radars - the United States has more and more radars every year, there are more and more satellites, and their quality is also improving. When the Topol M, Voivode, UR 100, P 29 ICBMs were created - SM 3, THAAD missiles, and kinetic interceptors, with the ability to select false targets was not in nature. All the warheads that are in service with Russia are stupidly blocs - they don’t have any maneuvering from attacking missiles, unlike the kinetic interceptors of missile defense, which see the warhead and are able to change their position relative to the warhead - for its defeat.
  26. family tree
    family tree 18 October 2017 15: 15
    +1
    Tomahawk,
    So there was no air defense.
    Do you know why we weren’t multiplied by zero?
  27. Tomahawk
    Tomahawk 18 October 2017 15: 51
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    Svarog51,
    Well, you demand proof because of the Donbass
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    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 18 October 2017 20: 44
      +9
      Have I even mentioned the word Donbas? Require evidence? From you? At the last physical examination, the psychiatrist wrote in my medical record - he is healthy, fit for drill.
      1. Tomahawk
        Tomahawk 18 October 2017 20: 48
        0
        I'm talking about the Press Service of the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation requires proof of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 18 October 2017 22: 05
          +8
          He does it right. All your vassals shout that Russia is fighting in the Donbas. But I have not heard about the declaration of war, or at least martial law. That the presence of US troops in Syria is not even hidden. What are they doing there and on what basis are they? US declared war on Syria? I haven’t heard such a thing. Thomas, these are two big differences. We must prove that we are not in the region. And you have to prove what the hell is there. Reflect, then answer.
          1. Tomahawk
            Tomahawk 19 October 2017 15: 35
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            US declared war on Syria?
            no, it’s just that the United States does not recognize Assad’s authority as legitimate, while the democratic forces allow US troops to be in the region.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 October 2017 06: 57
              +7
              What kind of new state is this - Democratic forces? What legal rights does it have on the world stage? Who is it recognized? When did it officially appeal to the United States for military assistance? Well enlighten, I'm all in the attention.
              1. Tomahawk
                Tomahawk 20 October 2017 17: 45
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                The DSS is a coalition of dissatisfied with Assad’s rule. And it controls a certain territory. It is recognized as a representative of the Syrian people: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Germany, USA, Great Britain, France, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 21 October 2017 08: 57
                  +7
                  Thomas, well, you made me laugh.
                  DSS is a coalition of dissatisfied with Assad’s rule

                  And the Lugansk and Donetsk regions are unhappy with the rule of Poroshenko. So what?
                  In Syria, you support the dissatisfied, and in Ukraine, you are satisfied. What do you say to that? Here is a simple example for you, slightly simplified to understand the situation. A flock of stray dogs lives near my garage. I recognize them as a pack, but I can relate to them differently. Become a good uncle for them and feed or become evil and call the service for trapping homeless animals. It only depends on me. It’s the same with people in politics. Who does not recognize them as representatives of the PART of the Syrian people, since this is so? Just why then do you refuse this PART of the Ukrainian people in the person of LDNR? Why are other interests affected? Think, compare, process the information received in your head and then draw conclusions. Then it will be your conclusions, and not imposed on you from the outside.
                  1. Tomahawk
                    Tomahawk 21 October 2017 19: 09
                    +1
                    Sergei hi
                    slightly simplified to understand

                    What do you make of us completely stupid ..... The same people as you ......

                    Think Compare
                    I’ll tell you a secret. Now in the world, in fact, there is a second Cold War. Here come up both sides of the excuse for the invasion.
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 21 October 2017 19: 30
                      +7
                      Thomas, I do not make you stupid, at least you are not stupid, but a smart person. So you came to the Russian-language website and are trying to convince me that the United States has the most invincible forces. Now imagine that the opposite is true and I came to you with this statement. What would you answer me? It’s not a secret to me for a long time that the Cold War did not stop, but passed into a passive phase. Now it has intensified again. Thomas, here I personally would be better off with you and get rid of anecdotes, put in a bathhouse or eat barbecue in nature. I absolutely do not want to look at you through the scope, I already went through this when I was serving an emergency in Germany. I really want to live in peace and tranquility, and you too, I think so. What makes you think that Russia is going to invade America, who inspired you with such thoughts. Your bases are at our very borders. At least one Russian military base near the US borders. Do not attribute to Russia what your military is up to. Ours conduct exercises at their borders, and not in Canada or Mexico. Yours in Poland, the Baltic states, and Ukraine. More facts needed? Or drinks the day off though.
                      1. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 22 October 2017 14: 27
                        +1
                        Sergei
                        You are not stupid, but a smart person. So you came to the Russian-language website and are trying to convince me that the United States has the most invincible forces. Now imagine that the opposite is true and I came to you with this statement. What would you answer me?
                        I didn’t come to this site to show that the United States has the most powerful aircraft in the world, although it is. I’m just interested in arguing about weapons, equipment, etc. So your sarcasm is inappropriate here.
                        Ours conduct exercises at their borders
                        Next to your borders are US allies who cannot stand up for themselves in the event of a war with the Russian Federation.
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 22 October 2017 16: 14
                      +7
                      Thomas, my sarcasm is appropriate, I did not go to English-language sites and did not try to prove anything there. I will discuss the technology and weapons with great pleasure. One condition - at the same time, we will not “butt” anyone who is cooler, we are discussing purely technically and making a general conclusion. Is it good?
                      Do you think we could not find allies near your borders? Let me remind you of Cuba, and it’s good that the Caribbean crisis was resolved peacefully. Khrushchev paid with his chair, Kennedy with his life. I will repeat once again the axiom - Russia does not want a war with America. Your turn. hi
                      1. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 23 October 2017 00: 56
                        0
                        Sergei
                        What is the merit of American intelligence
                        You look at the context. We talked about Snowden.
                        Is it good?
                        I have nothing against your offer wink .
                        I will repeat once again the axiom - Russia does not want a war with America. Your turn
                        Nobody wants an armed conflict between the two countries that have nuclear weapons. This is not the case. Probably afraid of the second Korean war. When the USSR pulled NATO resources through the DPRK. Yes, and the Russian Federation must fight the repetition of the war in Afghanistan.
                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 23 October 2017 09: 43
                  +7
                  Thomas, welcome hi
                  Uh, no! Who mentioned Belenko? I spoke for him, not Snowden. So everything is in order here.
                  I have nothing against your offer

                  Noticed! drinks We conduct a dialogue without authorization.
                  Nobody wants an armed conflict between the two countries that have nuclear weapons. This is not the case. Probably afraid of the second Korean war. When the USSR pulled NATO resources through the DPRK. Yes, and the Russian Federation must fight the repetition of the war in Afghanistan.

                  It may of course be true, but all the fuss happens at our side. And in case of aggravation, it threatens mainly to Russia and China, and also to Japan - America is far away. So we don’t like that your president stirs up the water there and brings the situation to absurdity. While he did not touch Kim, Kim sat quietly for himself and did not touch anyone. Now what? And most importantly - why? You yourself say no one needs a nuclear conflict. So stop Kim poking your ass in the ass, and he will calm down. Sorry for my speech turns, if it is not clear what - ask again.
                  1. Tomahawk
                    Tomahawk 24 October 2017 16: 01
                    +1
                    Sergei hi
                    Kim sat quietly for himself and did not touch anyone.
                    Here, just the DPRK violates the agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. The Russian Federation also does not want another country with nuclear weapons. The Russian Federation also imposed sanctions.
                    Sorry for my speech turns, if it is not clear what - ask again.
                    Well, yes .... Something is not clear, but I caught the essence.
                    And if it’s not difficult for you, explain these speech turns:
                    Syr-boron
                    Muddy water
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 24 October 2017 19: 43
                      +7
                      Thomas, health to you hi Well made fun
                      Here, just the DPRK violates the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
                      So they are not there. How can I violate the contract in which I did not participate? The Russian Federation imposed sanctions, here you are right, but here is the execution. Well, about the same as the United States complies with the Vienna Convention. Thomas, why and for the sake of which all international norms and rights are violated. What actions has Russia earned such an attitude from your homeland? Why? For what?
                      Syrbor - a situation for consideration. The event that we are discussing.
                      Turbid water - provokes. This is unambiguous.
                      Thomas, I have a mutual interest, I told something about myself, I look forward to hearing from you. If you are talking with me on your behalf, we will continue and I am waiting for the story. If you act in the interests of the "company", we will continue, but with the corresponding conclusions. The word is yours. I have the honor. soldier
                      1. Tomahawk
                        Tomahawk 25 October 2017 20: 52
                        +1
                        Sergei
                        What actions has Russia earned such an attitude from your homeland? Why? For what?
                        I have my own opinion on this subject, you may well disagree with him. I believe that large corporations are to blame. It is simply unprofitable for them to have an ally in the face of the Russian Federation. And they earn billions of dollars from this. From childhood they inspire people that the Russian Federation is the number one threat .
                        If you act in the interests of a "company",
                        How's that?
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 20
                      +8
                      Thomas hi
                      I have my own opinion on this subject.

                      This is your correct opinion, but not quite complete. In addition to corporate figures, politicians and the military are actively involved in this. Everyone wants to make money on confrontation with Russia. I am perplexed about such people - well, why do they need so much money? They are no longer able to spend it on themselves - too much, children grow up loafers - they have everything from birth, why apply strength and knowledge in order to achieve something in this life. And then, “there are no pockets in the shroud”, this is to say that in the next world this money will no longer be needed, but to do something good and useful in life is quite possible.
                      How's that?

                      Well, you yourself did not say anything. Suddenly, are you a CIA agent? Do not take to heart - this is a joke. wink
  28. Analyst
    Analyst 18 October 2017 20: 32
    +1
    50% is the logic of blondes, or knock or not knock?
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    1. family tree
      family tree 19 October 2017 05: 39
      +1
      Yes, Russia mother like you. The rest are mothers of government. Only here is some garbage, if the hard workers do not swear to the chief, it means soon the office of the ephedron is empirically numbered.
      And at the expense of talking and scuffle, so your post gives a nuthouse request
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 20 October 2017 07: 09
      +7
      You do not have a homeland, you love your homeland no matter what it is, but you hate it and pour dirt on it. Do you think everyone else should respect you for this and have a dialogue with you? In real life, it’s still possible to argue with any of the foreigners about Russia's place in this world. Nobody will talk to you, you will immediately receive an answer in physical form. I already spoke about this a little earlier. Traitors always deserve such a fate, at least in Russia. So it was and it will be so. I'd rather argue with Thomas from America than with you. IMHO.