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Leonardo Defense introduced the upgraded M60

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Leonardo Defense presented at the International Exhibition and Conference on Security in Bahrain 2017 (Bidec 2017), which is being held in the exhibition center of Bahrain from October 6 to 18, a modernization solution tanks M60, which increases the level of protection, firepower and tactical mobility, thus turning the venerable M60 into a third-generation tank. The upgraded machine received the designation M60A3.


Leonardo Defense introduced the upgraded M60

Modernized tank М60А3 from Leonardo Defense

The Leonardo modular solution combines the 120 L45 mm reduced-recoil cannon used in the new Centauro II wheeled tanks, a new shooting control system, modular armor for greater ballistic protection, a nighttime thermal sight and a HITROLE remote control from Oto Melara which provides all-round visibility and shelling.


American medium tank M60

In addition, increased engine power, installed an automatic fire suppression system. Also in the course of work it is expected to carry out major repairs of the main subsystems of the tank to increase its service life. The upgraded tank M60A was introduced at Bidec 2017 in the presence of Sheikh Nasser Bin Hamad Al Khalifa, a member of the royal family of Bahrain (the son of the king) and the commander of the Royal Guard,
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 October 2017 15: 43 New
    20
    I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 17 October 2017 15: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

      There are.
      But with a different cry, they say the capitalists' prudent attitude towards old tanks .. This category has only such thinking ..
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 17 October 2017 16: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: badens1111
        .This category has only such thinking ..

        "Abrams" means it will burn!
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 17 October 2017 17: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Tol100v
          "Abrams" means it will burn!

          What is your cry for?
          Yes, for me, let the entire US tank industry, together with all the iron that it produced, be covered with a copper basin, it will not be a pity.
          My answer is about screamers ... they say that everything is bad in the military-industrial complex and tanks .. unfortunately there are some.
          1. jjj
            jjj 17 October 2017 17: 40 New
            +4
            In the USA for many years they have not built new tanks at all. Only repair and modernization of previously released
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 17 October 2017 17: 55 New
              +3
              Right! What does one plant shut down at all.
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 17 October 2017 20: 16 New
                +4
                There, the whole of Detroit was shut down. They do GDP on a printing press.
                I exaggerate, of course, but there bankers, financiers, lawyers, office plankton and other non-productive spheres form the basis of the working population.
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith 17 October 2017 20: 56 New
                  +1
                  The funny thing is that money does not print in the same two years. They began to change the numbers on the computer.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 17 October 2017 21: 59 New
                    +1
                    Well yes! so faster and without printing costs!
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 October 2017 20: 11 New
          +2
          Abrams will no longer burn - at least from RPGs and ATGMs - he already has Trophy
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 17 October 2017 22: 06 New
            0
            There is an RPG 32 "Hook".
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 October 2017 23: 11 New
              0
              In Russia - in scanty amounts. Abrams will have a two-layer dynamic protection - the armor penetration of an RPG 32 grenade at 750 millimeters will not be enough.
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 17 October 2017 23: 25 New
                0
                When shooting at the side or stern - that’s it.
                Abrams will have a two-layer dynamic protection
                Around the perimeter? It is unlikely that dynamic protection is a pretty massive thing, and Abrams is already no different in child weight.
                In addition, modern ATGMs and grenade launchers can be used "doublet".
                1. Mih1974
                  Mih1974 18 October 2017 04: 53 New
                  0
                  Moreover - no one has proved that the claimed protection is something there, much less ours holds tongue laughing
          2. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2017 15: 09 New
            0
            Abrams will soon develop under the pressure of its own weight
            how much does he weigh in the photo? tons 74?
    2. Komsomol
      Komsomol 17 October 2017 15: 49 New
      +6
      Well, that’s it, Bro, where are Almaty, King-Sovereign promised oath to you and me? wink
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 17 October 2017 15: 53 New
        +6
        Fragrances on military trials. Tell me, you watched the Victory Parade carefully .. they even said in what parts.
        1. Komsomol
          Komsomol 17 October 2017 16: 03 New
          +8
          I looked, men ... It would be better if I didn’t see the embarrassment of such-
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 17 October 2017 16: 13 New
            19
            Komsomol ... on this occasion in Russia they say ... A pig will find shit everywhere.
            1. Komsomol
              Komsomol 17 October 2017 16: 22 New
              +7
              Did you call me that ?? Thank you, gentleman, what ... laughing laughing laughing I'm not looking for shit where it’s not close. And where it is on the surface, excuse me .... request hi
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 17 October 2017 16: 29 New
                +8
                Are you not Russian or what? Do not know what a proverb is?
                And two ... I didn’t call you at all .. this is popular opinion .. related to a certain circle of people. Those involved in criticism ..
                And if. You’re the Komsomol .. you must know the phrase .. which is attributed to Stalin.
                Criticizes - offer, Offer, do, did, answer .. and you just scream in a puddle, and you are not going to answer for anything.
              2. dubovitskiy.1947
                dubovitskiy.1947 17 October 2017 16: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Komsomol
                Did you call me that ?? Thank you, gentleman, what ... laughing laughing laughing I'm not looking for shit where it’s not close. And where it is on the surface, excuse me .... request hi

                Thanks a little. Educated by the Komsomol is supposed to lick one place for science. For rising from the shit, familiar to him, this does not mean anything.
            2. tol100v
              tol100v 17 October 2017 16: 32 New
              +3
              Quote: dvina71
              Komsomol ... on this occasion in Russia they say ... A pig will find shit everywhere.

              And the pseudo-Komsomol will spoil himself!
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 17 October 2017 16: 28 New
            +9
            Have you ever seen a broken technique? Moreover, the tank was later brought on, and it left under its own power. The first parade is the first appearance. It happens.
            1. andrewkor
              andrewkor 17 October 2017 20: 00 New
              +6
              Yes, not at the parade, but at the dress rehearsal stalled, it happens.
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 17 October 2017 20: 24 New
                +3
                Please note the Russians! Flags of foreign commentators, over comments on the normality of overlays at rehearsals. They, rehearsals, exist for that. Eh ... Individuals in our country like to turn their underpants on the wrong side.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 17 October 2017 16: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: Komsomol
            I looked, men ... It would be better if I didn’t see the embarrassment of such-

            Like a real man, either give TV to women and children, or throw it out so that you don’t watch and listen to any garbage. You behave like a purebred Komsomol and don’t do anything and spread gossip. So what happened with “Armata”? young man. "
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 17 October 2017 15: 56 New
        10
        Armat 20 units for two years in testing. A trial batch of 100 units was ordered.

        In April 2016, the media announced the order of a limited batch of 100 tanks for military trials.
        A batch of 100 tested tanks will detect possible flaws, as well as give engineers tasks to improve some characteristics. Already, the military is putting forward demands for engine power up to 1500 l / s and an increase in the caliber of the gun to 152 mm. In the future, it is possible to create a robot tank based on this tank, which operates without placing a crew in it.
        On September 8, 2016, Uralvagonzavod began delivering T-14 tanks to the Russian army on the Armata universal platform, General Director of UVZ Oleg Sienko said in an interview with RIA Novosti on the sidelines of the Army 2016 forum.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 17 October 2017 16: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          A trial batch of 100 units was ordered.

          This is voiced, and we will see how much will be.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 17 October 2017 16: 06 New
            +2
            It’s clear and how allies are working on the order, there are 1500 enterprises signed to order.
      3. Herculesic
        Herculesic 17 October 2017 16: 39 New
        +4
        Komsomol hi - Look at your door - can you see hundreds of T14? ?? lol
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 October 2017 16: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

      Nah, here we need raids on the Americans! What they say, without paying a fee, we use our experience ?!
      No way they started saving money ?!
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 October 2017 17: 25 New
      10
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

      What is there to comment? Reminds MAGAH-7С, which were decommissioned from AOI, as obsolete.
    5. IL-18
      IL-18 17 October 2017 20: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

      M60A3 is a modification of M60, conducted in the USA in 1978. What is there to compare! laughing
    6. ZVO
      ZVO 17 October 2017 20: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

      You make some ridiculous conclusions.
      First of all.
      M60 was created in the late 50s on the basis of the M48 tank.
      Which, in turn, was created in the late 40s, early 50s.

      It is in service in countries such as Morocco. Yemen, Greece, Tunisia. Jordan etc.
      The only tank-producing country operating the M60 tank is Israel.
      And then, just because. that they got her free then.
      There are no other tank building countries among the operators.

      At the same time, modernization from Leonardo is:
      1. an increase in engine power not by 20%, as the translator of this article writes.
      And the ratio of specific power increased by 20%. Those. engine to mass ratio.
      These are 2 big differences. The tank has become much more mobile.
      2mm gun. Relatively new. low pulse.
      3. Completely new for tanks of this type, fully digital BIUS.
      4. Each tank is equipped with a thermal imager. Detection of an infantryman at a distance of up to 8 km.
      5. Reducing the cost of maintaining the new modification
      6. A drastic decrease in all heat-generating characteristics.
      7. A dramatic increase in electricity generation.
      8. Fully remotely controlled machine gun in all angles. all-weather and day / night - do not care.
      and much more.
      Those. they actually created a tank of the T-72B3 level from junk. A little higher. By capacity and CIUS.
      Whose base, namely the T-72 appeared in 1973.
      In the country. which is considered one of the legislators of tank building.
      And it turns out. that all sorts of Yemen are on a par with Russia, with a tank-building country.

      Why rejoice then?

      So it’s better to be ashamed to write such absurdities ... For the modernization of a tank from the year 73 does not give it any advantages (at all) over the modernization of the tank from the late 40s ....
      1. yehat
        yehat 18 October 2017 15: 13 New
        +1
        This super-sophisticated M60 will not withstand the German brumbar of 1944
        many tanks without enthusiasm will perceive hit in the forehead of a su-100 projectile of 1943 release.
        so do not speculate with the year of release.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 October 2017 18: 04 New
          0
          As the colonel at the department (about MT-12) told us, hitting a 100mm projectile in a modern tank (even if it didn’t penetrate) will cause a shutdown and a malfunction in a fashionable electronic filling (the reverse side of progress) And the tank may be disabled ...
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 18 October 2017 20: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: yehat

          so do not speculate with the year of release.

          in short. Any direct hit takes the tank out of combat. makes him incapable at all.
          For the entire outer duster - breaks away.
          Internal - also with enviable regularity.
          I highly recommend reading this ...
          In 1988, the US Army Field Artillery Command decided to revise the standards for defeating armored targets and conducted a series of tests, some of which were carried out according to Soviet standards. The results of these tests are relevant at the present time.
          The first test was carried out by a battery of 155 mm self-propelled guns M109 according to Soviet standards for fire control and ammunition consumption in relation to 152 mm artillery. Mannequins (infantry), American army trucks, M113 armored personnel carriers, M577 command and staff vehicles, and M48 tanks were used as targets. For these purposes, three firing raids were carried out at a rate of 56 OFS each with an impact fuse and a non-contact fuse with a timer. The percentage of infantry and truck destruction turned out to be very close to Soviet regulatory data. However, the degree of destruction of armored targets was much higher than the normative, reaching 67%. Although not a single direct hit was recorded, fragments of 155-mm shells caused serious damage to the BTT: they pierced the armor, hitting the crew’s internal equipment and mannequins, destroyed tracks, sights and observation devices, and even caused the fire of one APC. This test fully confirmed the validity of Soviet standards and the relatively high vulnerability of BTT to artillery fire with PDO.
          The next stage of the tests lasted seven months and aimed at studying the nature and magnitude of damage to the BTT samples from fragments of 155 mm shells in the event of a direct hit. Immediately, we note that a direct hit unambiguously destroyed any BTT models: from main battle tanks to wheeled armored personnel carriers. During this stage, the Americans came to the conclusion that the most effective is the shooting of the OFS on air gaps with non-contact timer fuses. Fragments of shells guaranteed to ensure normative destruction of armored objects with damage to gun barrels, destruction of mounted elements, damage to sights and vision systems, cooling systems of the power plant, and elements of the chassis.
          The third stage of the tests became the most ambitious, since it provided for the complete engineering equipment of the support point of a reinforced mechanized platoon, with infantry, tanks, weapons and dummies placed in the trenches and trenches of infantry fighting vehicles. In accordance with the norms of the Soviet army, to ensure a 50% defeat of targets in a strong point, the 155-mm howitzer division (24 guns) used up 2600 General Purpose Division with shock and timer fuses. The actual destruction of targets and the degree of destruction of engineering structures completely coincided with Soviet data. The Americans were especially surprised that half of the tanks and infantry fighting vehicles sheltered in the trenches could not carry out combat missions due to various types of damage. It should be borne in mind that tests could not reveal the effects of artillery fire effects such as smoke, dust, displacement of sights, physiological deviations and psychological stresses of people.
          Thus, the experience of modern wars and the test results make it possible to unequivocally refute some myths regarding the long-range struggle of artillery with modern armored objects.
          Myth N1 “A direct hit is required to disable a tank.” Indeed, a direct hit of 155/152 mm ammunition will definitely destroy any BTT. However, the breakdown of the OFS of this caliber in a radius of up to 30 m causes serious damage to the BTT.
          Myth N2 "Artillery cannot hit moving targets with PDO fire." The teachings and experience of wars have shown that the methods of successive concentration of fire, barrage and others allow you to successfully deal with moving armored targets.
          Myth N3: “Modern tanks are resistant to artillery fire, armored vehicles freely overcome sections of artillery fire.” In practice, modern tanks are successfully hit by artillery fire from a PDO, especially when combining air explosions and shock fuses. Yes, armored troop-carrier divisions overcome SB areas and frontier defense lines, but as a result, their combat capabilities are reduced by an average of 40%, which sharply increases the enemy’s chances.
          Thus, in a conflict of high or medium intensity, when the enemy has large-caliber field artillery, armored vehicles will inevitably be affected by it at the stage of advancement to the line of transition to the attack (on the offensive), in defense areas, and sometimes in areas of concentration. In this case, the most sensitive to artillery fire will be armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, BMDs and vehicles based on them, for which high irrecoverable losses in equipment and crews (amphibious assault forces) should be expected. Tanks and vehicles based on them are more resistant to artillery fire with PDOs, however, the current trend is the deployment of a large number of mounted elements (DZ blocks, external fuel tanks, spare parts, AFU, OPVT, GPO and fuel pipelines), enlarged windows (shafts) of sights and surveillance devices, the external installation of weapons (weapons BMPT, NSVT on tanks) threatens with serious consequences. All of the listed equipment and weapons of external installation is almost guaranteed to be destroyed and damaged if the unit is covered with artillery fire.
          References:
          “Modern tactics: analysis of the state and development trends”, I.N. Vorobiev, V.A. Kiselev, “Military Thought” N10 2007
          “Modern views on the enemy’s defeat system in operations (combined arms combat)”, V.A. Sapozhinsky, “Military Thought” N1 2008
          “Fragment Penetration Tests of Armor”, ARMY TEST AND EVALUATION COMMAND ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND MD, 1983
          “An Analytical Model of Kinetic Energy Projectile / Fragment Penetration”, ARMY BALLISTIC RESEARCH LAB ABERDEEN, 1977
          “Influence of Warhead Design on Natural Fragmentation Performances”, 15th DAAM International Symposium 2004
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 18 October 2017 23: 47 New
            0
            I wrote about the entry of BPS cal 100mm 1400 m / s into a tank with non-penetration of armor .... We do not take HE shells. Hit 122 mm HE shell in any tank will stop him for a long time (suppress). The 152mm howitzers of cumulative shells are not in the ammunition (hit destroys the tank). But there are standards, they taught ...
  2. Jedi
    Jedi 17 October 2017 15: 59 New
    +7
    It is a pity that not a word about the cost of this tank, or at least how it relates to the same modernized T-72.
  3. padded jacket
    padded jacket 17 October 2017 16: 04 New
    +4
    In principle, the modernization is similar to ours with the T-72 replacing the guns; new OMS; increased protection in the front hemisphere of the grill; new engine.
    Back view:

    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 17 October 2017 16: 38 New
      +1
      They know how to create videos ...
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 17 October 2017 16: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: NIKNN
        They know how to create videos ...

        Yes, they’re advertising on top
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 17 October 2017 17: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: NIKNN
          They know how to create videos ...

          Yes, they’re advertising on top

          By the way, then those who bought their ads suffer in real life !!! wassat lol lol lol good good
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 17 October 2017 17: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            By the way, then those who bought their ads suffer in real life !!!

            Advertising engine of progress smile Again, "old" throw a pity
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 17 October 2017 17: 41 New
              +4
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              By the way, then those who bought their ads suffer in real life !!!

              Advertising engine of progress smile Again, "old" throw a pity

              I think those who later burn in these "invulnerable" tanks, kindly recall the very advertisement !!! lol lol lol
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 17 October 2017 17: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                I think those who later burn in these "invulnerable" tanks, kindly recall the very advertisement !!!

                As a rule, those who use them directly do not pay for them.
    2. datura23
      datura23 17 October 2017 19: 54 New
      0
      11 level in here
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 17 October 2017 16: 08 New
    +4
    And what. It is wrapped in a garden net and opa ... a budget model for the poor.
    You can see how you can fight, but generally the tank was made WELL in due time,
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 17 October 2017 16: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      And what. It is wrapped in a garden net and opa ... a budget model for the poor.

      Tank for the poor here smile
      1. jjj
        jjj 17 October 2017 17: 43 New
        +3
        Great dog kennel turned out
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 October 2017 19: 39 New
          +3
          I wanted to say that the tank is for the poor, but I looked at the dogs and ... I love dogs, very - very!
          Have you done the tank again in Ukraine? If yes, then these are genes ... remember the Sevastopol tank. The heroic unit by the way was !!! Combat! Present!!!
          I understand that dill from the heroic past of OUR GENERAL ANCESTORS denied, but genes, genes !!!
          I hope that when all the vile foam from the body is washed away, these genes will make our brothers remember who is closest and dearest to them.
        2. padded jacket
          padded jacket 18 October 2017 16: 02 New
          0
          Quote: jjj
          Great dog kennel turned out

          This is a Kurdish tank smile
  5. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 17 October 2017 16: 13 New
    +1
    A typical counter-guerrilla tank, and even with a stretch, here RPG is a serious danger, and in modern partisans and birds there are.
    Modernization seems to be not bad, but the question of price has remained open for a reason.
    1. Berber
      Berber 17 October 2017 16: 23 New
      +2
      Surely modernization, at a price, does not quite reach the purchase of a new tank.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 October 2017 16: 26 New
      +1
      This is a tank to combat the first versions of T-55-72. If he sustains a 100mm fart shot, then a 125mm projectile is unlikely. Only modern SLA will help - it will fall from a greater range.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 October 2017 16: 21 New
    +3
    And our all-terrain vehicle brought in the "Arctic" camouflage. It looks exotic, against the background of palm trees)))
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 October 2017 16: 24 New
    +2
    And the cannon shells have the same reduced recoil? Or how is the return reduced?
    1. yehat
      yehat 18 October 2017 15: 27 New
      0
      more effective anti-recoil mechanisms, m. the gun itself the camera changed
  8. Berber
    Berber 17 October 2017 16: 28 New
    +2
    By the way, color and shape does not resemble Armata?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 October 2017 17: 00 New
      +3
      And the gun and the tracks? Doesn't it remind?
      1. Berber
        Berber 19 October 2017 08: 38 New
        +1
        I mean, that modernization is mowing down the line. It’s clear that the marketing move.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 17 October 2017 18: 10 New
    0
    For me, the M-60 has no potential for modernization. Everything has passed, its century has passed. Setting the scope, a new engine, guns will not change its concept. Of course, the T-34s are also in service, but the conflict in Syria very clearly showed the problems this car.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 October 2017 18: 15 New
      10
      We appreciated him for the comfort of the crew and good SLA.
      Precisely shot. But damned for the fire hazard.
      The turret was hydraulically driven. When breaking through
      the liquid quickly caught fire throughout the circle of the tower.
      Because of this, they quickly switched to Merkava.
      But now, I read, with upgrades replace rotation
      electric towers, electric motors.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 17 October 2017 18: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        We appreciated him for the comfort of the crew and good SLA.

        This car of the previous generation, its fate will facilitate KAZ, but will not save
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 17 October 2017 20: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We appreciated him for the comfort of the crew and good SLA.

          This car of the previous generation, its fate will facilitate KAZ, but will not save


          This machine is fully refitted.
          It is not inferior to anything, but in terms of CIUS and LMS, its dynamics surpasses the T-72B3.
          And yes, for the past 40 years there has been a war of sights and electronics, not armor.
          And every year the difference in electronics - more and more, it is the electronics that is becoming the leader.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 17 October 2017 21: 41 New
            0
            Quote: ZVO
            It is not inferior to anything, but in terms of CIUS and LMS, its dynamics surpasses the T-72B3.

            More
            Quote: ZVO
            And yes, for the past 40 years there has been a war of sights and electronics, not armor.

            Is that naivety?
            Something super sights and a super modern constellation of satellites, radars and detection devices did not help the Americans win in Afghanistan. Quietly recognizing the fulfillment of their functions, they fled.
            I will not suck the whole set of assumptions, but the fact that in Romania 20 American sailors asked to go ashore after flying SU-24 on the most modern US ship is already a fact.
            Not everything is decided by electronics ................
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 18 October 2017 20: 33 New
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: ZVO
              It is not inferior to anything, but in terms of CIUS and LMS, its dynamics surpasses the T-72B3.

              More
              Quote: ZVO
              And yes, for the past 40 years there has been a war of sights and electronics, not armor.

              Is that naivety?
              Something super sights and a super modern constellation of satellites, radars and detection devices did not help the Americans win in Afghanistan. Quietly recognizing the fulfillment of their functions, they fled.
              Not everything is decided by electronics ................


              Did they run away from afghan? What reality do you live in?
              All their modern grouping has endured Iraq, Yugoslavia ...
              Those countries. about which our military spoke. that they will not succeed and they will not be defeated. That they are too strong not to fight back ..
              memory must be at least 20 years old.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 18 October 2017 20: 39 New
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                Quote: ZVO
                Did they run away from afghan?

                Yes, they fled, draped, and do not even hesitate to ask questions to their president! You are not allowed to read this to the American meritors, but you may find a moment, refresh your memory
                'Open Letter' to Obama on Afghanistan Omits Key Questions
                http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/06/open-lett
                er-obama-afghanistan-omits-key-questions / 129061 /
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 19 October 2017 16: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Did they run away from afghan?

                  Yes, they fled, draped, and do not even hesitate to ask questions to their president! You are not allowed to read this to the American meritors, but you may find a moment, refresh your memory
                  'Open Letter' to Obama on Afghanistan Omits Key Questions
                  http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/06/open-lett
                  er-obama-afghanistan-omits-key-questions / 129061 /


                  You, government officials working for the money of the State Department, to you - real American devotees. who deceive the Russian people by whispering. that the enemy is weak, stupid, and finally, “In one fell swoop of all the beatings” and suffering hatred, he devotes:
                  TV Star. 30.08.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX
                  Article: "The number of US troops in Afghanistan is increased from 8,4 thousand to 11 thousand troops."
                  The number of US troops in Afghanistan is approximately 11 thousand troops. This was announced at a briefing by the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lieutenant General Kenneth Mackenzie. According to him, the number of US troops has increased from 8,4 thousand to 11 thousand.

                  https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
                  01708302221-jywa.htm
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS 19 October 2017 18: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: ZVO
                    "In one fell swoop of all the beating" and suffering hooded consecration is dedicated to:

                    Do not be too lazy to find hatred in my texts? You are kind even do not want to read the documents proposed to you, but already built a theory here.!
                    Kindergarten got to the computer!
                    1. ZVO
                      ZVO 19 October 2017 20: 43 New
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                      Quote: APASUS
                      I will not suck the whole set of assumptions, but the fact that in Romania 20 American sailors asked to go ashore after flying SU-24 on the most modern US ship is already a fact.


                      will this continuing nonsense continue?
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 20 October 2017 07: 13 New
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                        Quote: ZVO
                        will this continuing nonsense continue?

                        You are not nice at the bazaar, if you please bring evidence. And then you remind Jen Psaki
  10. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 October 2017 20: 23 New
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    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    I look forward to the comments of clever people who laughed at the modernization of the T-72Б3 arr. Xnumx

    Were there any? Armat required?
  11. Romanenko
    Romanenko 17 October 2017 20: 25 New
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    Och looks glamorous in a new body kit.
    Well, how to keep the blow going is how lucky it is, of course, much depends on the engineers, but also on luck ....
    Sometimes completely clumsy products live "happily ever after", and visible favorites crumble at the first tangent hits.
  12. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 October 2017 20: 26 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    We appreciated him for the comfort of the crew and good SLA.
    Precisely shot. But damned for the fire hazard.
    The turret was hydraulically driven. When breaking through
    the liquid quickly caught fire throughout the circle of the tower.
    Because of this, they quickly switched to Merkava.
    But now, I read, with upgrades replace rotation
    electric towers, electric motors.

    Well, Merkava is cooler? Generally unkillable? Tell me about her? How comfortable? After all, you, unlike us, are even preparing to die in comfort?
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 17 October 2017 21: 10 New
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      Quote: Evrodav
      After all, you, unlike us, are even preparing to die in comfort?

      Before you die. usually several generations of tankers spend several years in this particular tank ....
      Do you know anything about this?
      Or can they only write nonsense?
  13. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 October 2017 21: 36 New
    +1
    In general, this is not a bad option (according to the declared characteristics) for not rich countries.
  14. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 17 October 2017 22: 17 New
    +1
    I wonder how much the reservation has been strengthened and is it possible to integrate active protection?
  15. ZVO
    ZVO 18 October 2017 20: 30 New
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    Quote: APASUS

    I will not suck the whole set of assumptions, but the fact that in Romania 20 American sailors asked to go ashore after flying SU-24 on the most modern US ship is already a fact.
    Not everything is decided by electronics ................


    Please - give a real source to this your "fact" ...