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Money Russian oligarchs expropriates America: Trump's cunning plan

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As you know, Russia has no money. Native government does not make this secret. But Russian money is abroad. Soon they will become relatively American from relatively Russian. At least, some local experts think so.


Money Russian oligarchs expropriates America: Trump's cunning plan


Daoffshorization in Russia has become the same meme as import substitution. There is a slogan, there is no result. It has already become clear that the “system companies” will not force them to leave the offshore: the government changed their mind! If you force, then this will create risks for the Russian economy: this is what the conclusion was made by great specialists.

Meanwhile, experts see a clear financial threat from the United States: Russia seems to have offshore money today, and Donald Trump will take it away tomorrow (in February, 2018, right before the March elections). Take away with the help of the new law on sanctions, which turned Russia into the same "bad" country as Iran and the DPRK.

Where is the truth here, and where is the fantasy?

There was a lot of noise about the withdrawal of Russian capital from offshore companies: still, President Putin himself had ordered about deoffshorization in due time.

The loud slogan about deoffshorization was heard for the first time in the presidential address of 2012 of the year. The head of state called for "correcting his own shortcomings."

The call was gone in vain. Or, as analysts wrote, did not give a quick effect. Everything turned out according to Chernomyrdin: we wanted the best, but it turned out as always. The outflow of capital from the country after these presidential statements only intensified.

“I’ll say frankly: the results are so far barely noticeable ...” Interfax Putin's speech. “Since nothing has been done properly in this area for a year, I have suggestions ...” (December 2013).

But then in Russia a new crisis hit. After 12 months, in December 2014, it was difficult to evaluate the so-called results of deoffshorization. In contrast to the statements in last year’s message, Putin did not even speak about the low rates of deoffshorization. I only offered a gingerbread business - an amnesty for offshore capital: "I propose to conduct a full amnesty for capital returning to Russia - exactly the full one."

In March 2015, at the congress of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP), President Putin agreed to postpone the start of off-affirmation until a “amnesty of capital” is announced.

“It is obvious that many of those who would like to fulfill the requirement of the law, for a variety of reasons, do not have time to do it within the prescribed period. Therefore, I agree with those who believe that it is necessary to extend the time for submitting notifications, ”he said. Kommersant.

In the fall of 2015, one more appeared. news on this topic from RSPP. The Union reaffirmed its position: forced deoffshorization should apply only to enterprises of the military-industrial complex or to companies with a state defense order that accounts for more than 50% of revenue over a three-year period. "The introduction of the requirement of mandatory registration in the Russian Federation for other companies from the list of backbone organizations is inappropriate," - quotes Interfax letter of the President of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs Alexander Shokhin to the Ministry of Economic Development.

The head of an entrepreneurial organization noted that a number of backbone companies have foreign subsidiaries that carry out their main activities outside the Russian Federation, which accounts for the place of their registration. Some subsidiaries are enterprises with the participation of foreign capital, and their transfer to the Russian jurisdiction may lead to the termination of cooperation, ensuring the exit of the Russian economy to other markets.

Already 2017 year, winter is coming. Several years later, after voicing the loud idea of ​​“deoffshorization”, the government itself refused it. At least in part of the so-called. system companies. In October, 2017, the news of this appeared on the same site Interfax.

The government of the Russian Federation finally abandoned the idea of ​​forcing the transfer of system companies from offshore to Russian jurisdiction. Interfax received information about such a refusal from a source familiar with First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov’s report to President Putin.

A draft government decree prepared by the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance approving the criteria for determining the backbone organizations and their subsidiaries, which should be within the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, was given a negative conclusion. The use of coercive measures to transfer the circle of backbone organizations to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation will create significant risks for the country's economy. These risks will arise from the weakening of competitive positions in world markets and the non-performance of contracts in the foreign economic sphere. Therefore, the very approval of the criteria for the "systemic" of organizations is considered inappropriate.

That's all: at the entrance there was a law, at the exit it turned out to be zilch.

Author Swiss Business M. Widmer, who had previously predicted the collapse of the Kremlin initiative on “deoffshorization”, states: “deoffshorization” in Russia simply failed. Moreover, many of the richest businessmen changed their Russian residence to a foreign one.

Here are the Reuters data: in 2014-2017's. about a third of the list of five hundred richest businessmen of the Russian Federation changed their Russian residence to a foreign one. The analyst recalls that the Russian law on deoffshorization linked the obligation to disclose data on offshore structures to the Russian residence. To avoid this duty is simple: you need to change the country of residence, that is, to spend less than 183 days in a year in the Russian Federation. After interviewing a number of businessmen, lawyers and officials, the Reuters agency concluded: the law on deoffshorization in the Russian Federation forced a significant part of the oligarchs to move abroad!

The result of deoffshorization declared by Putin: lost the Russian budget. After all, less voluminous tax liability applies to non-residents in Russia.

Yes, and many companies that seemed to be falling under the law were not completely “systemic”. Or not at all systemic. This was explained by one Russian financial expert.

According to Alor Broker analyst Kirill Yakovenko, the largest Russian companies owned by residents and managed from Russia (without shells and intermediaries in Cyprus or the Virgin Islands), the total 48%. This is an extremely low figure even for developing countries, in addition, these companies are mostly either state-owned (in the capital, the state accounts for more than 50%) or with state participation. These are companies from the sphere of energy and production related to the defense industry. The remaining 52% of the largest Russian companies are either controlled directly by the foreign owner, or controlled through shell companies (the owner and the company are located in Russia, but an offshore represents him in the ownership structure), the expert explained to the magazine "Expert".

Offshores, recalls Yakovenko, are preferred by all companies associated with high-tech manufacturing, IT and virtually all industrial groups that have mining or processing assets outside of Russia. Even AvtoVAZ is controlled by Alliance and Rostec through offshore.

The legislative initiative, which was finally canceled, is really meaningless: state-owned companies have been repatriated as much as possible over the past few years, Yakovenko points out.

Other domestic analysts claim that the money from offshore companies will soon be “confiscated” by the enemy of Russia Mr. Trump. On this subject, among others, spoke Yuri Krupnov. The analyst stated "Komsomolskaya Pravda"that 2 February 2018 year, that is, six months after the signing of the law "On counteracting the opponents of America through sanctions," the US president will begin to confiscate the foreign assets of Russian oligarchs and officials. Lists of future victims are already compiled in the Office for the Control of Foreign Assets at the US Treasury Department.

“Confiscation and expropriation will affect everyone who refuses, I will express myself in the gentle manner of Alexei Kudrin,“ respond positively ”to the US ultimatum. In technical terms, in offshore there is no difference at all between private and state-owned companies. Another thing is that private accounts are more interesting, and there personal money is hidden — literally eggs, canary eggs. ”


Krupnov also provided information on defffing, citing data from the Egorov, Puginsky, Afanasyev and Partners law firm. Total 20% of owners of offshore firms transferred assets to Russia. 40% decided to abandon the status of a tax resident of the Russian Federation. Another 24% transferred assets to a trust in favor of a spouse or children. 9% transferred assets to non-resident relatives. And 7% did nothing.

Russia today is living "with a thrice physically and morally dilapidated infrastructure." At the same time, economists have no “development projects, ideologies and philosophies of development, development methodologies”. Hence the failure of the five-year deoffshorization, the analyst concludes.

To the question of the correspondent “Yury Vasilyevich, is there any connection with the fact that the first vice-premier who signed this“ capitulatory ”letter to the president, according to declarations, rents an apartment in London (483 square meters) and an estate in Austria? Maybe he hopes that when the time comes “H” - freezing, the expropriation of our foreign assets by the West - will they leave real estate to him? ”Krupnov unequivocally said:“ The decapitalization of Russian assets coming in February is designed slyly. This is not just an action in the spirit of “Steal the loot!” In fact, a significant part of the Russian elites of America directly put an ultimatum: either smash (squeeze) Putin before the elections, and we will leave you “acquired overwork”, or we will take everything, including freedom, and even lives. Damocles sword brought. And, of course, almost all the major players in the Russian elites are tensely now thinking what to choose. And someone will surely break. And it is not necessary for someone to break, it has long been “there”, and not with “this” country. It is through the prism of this choice that such profound letters of Igor Ivanovich Shuvalov and the behavior of a number of our beneficiaries from the collapse of the USSR and the weakness of the state should be assessed. They hope that they will make the necessary maneuver in time, and the overseas owners will pay them off generously ... ”

We will probably notice, having familiarized ourselves with the opinion of Krupnov, published by a large newspaper, the Russian rich should get frightened, run to Putin and surrender. And immediately invest “acquired by overwork” in local “development projects” and stop accumulating money in Cyprus and the Virgin Islands. Otherwise, they are waiting for the financial sword of merciless Trump, who, apparently, was the most cunning plan in the world: to withdraw billions from the Russian oligarchs and rearm their native America with this money.

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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 18 October 2017 15: 27 New
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    Everything that Krupnov says, whose opinion I have long known and fully share, follows from the logic of Brzezinski himself. And Brzezinski knew about the plans of the US Federal Reserve bankers very well, because he himself participated in them.
    Most likely, everything will be as Brzezinski said. All this is exactly what’s going on.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 18 October 2017 15: 32 New
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      Quote: Tatiana
      All this is exactly what’s going on.

      Can compradors behave differently than they behave?
      They are betrayed to the WEST, sold there with offal, should they be taken as something of their own? Answer NO.
      These will surrender the country, the only question is who will be the first to turn in, they will surrender us or they will be handed over to where they should be.
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 16: 06 New
        +7
        already wrote .... I repeat:
        when they (the Americans) arrange for forfeiture of offshore confiscation, then we will learn all about the "bestial nature of the Anglo-Saxon-Zionist regime under the control of oligarchs from Wall Street and Masonic lodges"
        in general, in vain do they do it .... they underestimate the psychology of our people .... rob our businessmen ??? Yes, they will die, but they will cut the answer .... Yes, they will incur money to our defense industry in spite of Amer ... these are of course those who are still human ....
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 18 October 2017 16: 47 New
          +9
          In any case, in the end, the Russian oligarchs will have to part with their capitals, looted and exported from Russia to offshore zones, abroad!
          All of these offshore companies, which deliberately act as financial STORIES of stolen comprador oligarchs from national states, were created by the Rothschilds in order to then rob the "uninitiated" in this native robber oligarchs on the principle of "Rob the Loot!".
          No one will intercede for them! And if they are bucked up against their raider robbery, then they themselves will also be hanged on a scarf in some bathroom in their own foreign house, like Berezovsky!
          And Trump is just a working link in this predatory system of financial capitalist-monetarists of the US Federal Reserve.
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 16: 53 New
            +7
            well, robbing the Indians is generally the gentlemen’s favorite pastime .... you can tell the meaning of life ... the methods have simply become more complicated ... but the essence remains the same ...
            1. Lord
              Lord 19 October 2017 00: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              well, robbing the Indians is generally the gentlemen’s favorite pastime .... you can tell the meaning of life ... the methods have simply become more complicated ... but the essence remains the same ...

              Well, what can change when the “Indians” only know how to whine about this and wind their snot into a fist?
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 19 October 2017 09: 58 New
            +4
            Exactly. But I think the owners of the Fed will act more subtly, at first only the most “poor” and not influential individuals of the Russian oligarchy will be confiscated, so that by their example they can show what will happen to the rest. Knowing the mentality of individuals of the Russian oligarchy, I can argue that the rest will break 100% and surrender the country to the owners of the Fed.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 18 October 2017 16: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          underestimate Nashensky psychology .... rob our business women ???
          all oligarchs have the same, international psychology, maybe, after acquiring a certain amount of personal funds, they fall into a certain Friedman space (according to Pelevin) request
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 16: 56 New
            +3
            Well, from this space ... how is it Kutuzov in "War and Peace" - face and ....
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        4. iouris
          iouris 19 October 2017 11: 33 New
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          Quote: d ^ Amir
          in general, in vain do they do it .... they underestimate the psychology of our people .... rob our businessmen ??? Yes, they will die, but they will cut the answer ...

          Money has already been expropriated. And no "answer", because everyone knew the rules of the game. There is no psychology at all.
  2. Vend
    Vend 18 October 2017 15: 28 New
    +1
    I’ll say frankly: the results are so far inconspicuous ... - recalls Interfax
    And as you may ask, can this be seen? How are comrades in Bulgakov’s novel “The Master and Margarine”? Are we handing over the currency? Or should the lists be posted on the Internet? A very ridiculous statement.
    Interfax received information about such a refusal from a source familiar with the report of First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov to President Putin.
    Someone once laughing
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 18 October 2017 20: 00 New
      +9
      In fact, America has directly issued an ultimatum to a significant part of the Russian elites: either break (squeeze) Putin before the election, and we will leave you “acquired overwork”
      Judging by the article, we have the entire elite, in full force, is compassionate. Our poor president, it turns out one against all. So he does not survive, in an unequal struggle! Some boy Navalny scares us, but meanwhile, the real danger comes from a completely different direction! The blow will occur, as always according to the laws of the classical genre, from the closest and most devoted. And for the electorate everything will be arranged beautifully! No one will understand what happened ... And again, as it happens in history twice, we will hear the familiar: "I'm tired, I'm leaving." Meanwhile, it would seem that his successor from his native United Russia, and not any traitor there - Navalny, will quietly surrender all positions to the West.
      It is a possible option for 2018. But if a miracle happens and it does not pass, then it will certainly happen at the end of Putin’s last term.
      1. Lord
        Lord 19 October 2017 00: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Judging by the article, we have the entire elite, in full force, is compassionate. Our poor president, it turns out one against all. So he does not survive, in an unequal struggle! Some boy Navalny scares us, but meanwhile, the real danger comes from a completely different direction! The blow will occur, as always according to the laws of the classical genre, from the closest and most devoted.

        So maybe that's why these "close and devoted" staged propaganda harassment of "Bulk Boy" with Kremlin hands? What would the people not balamutite, and not interfere with this very “blow” to inflict in silence and tranquility? After all, what was he largely guilty of? That pulled into the light a little "financial dirty laundry" of those in power? Maybe this anti-corruption sensation of Navalny is designed to prevent the "close and devotees" from delivering their strike unnoticed? Has anyone tried to look at situevina from this side?
        And what, it’s a working version.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 18 October 2017 15: 42 New
    +9
    History does not teach our moneybags anything ... history goes in a circle. Let them study what happened to their predecessors a hundred years ago, when the Russian Empire collapsed ... let them name the names of Russian oligarchs of that era who remained afloat in the democratic West ... after all, half of Europe was Russian property ... what’s leftover .
  4. japs
    japs 18 October 2017 15: 50 New
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    Well, let's see how the "elite" breaks into their beloved West. At the same time, some will have to decide how to live on ...
    My opinion is unchanged, thieves never stole their fill. They just need to be identified and neutralized.
  5. just Palych
    just Palych 18 October 2017 15: 58 New
    +6
    Gather all in one place and give a week to return to the jurisdiction of Russia, those who disagree to shoot along with their families, moreover, defiantly and show on all TV channels!
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 18 October 2017 23: 05 New
      +1
      Western banks grandmother simply did not list back. Like this.
    2. kudma
      kudma 19 October 2017 06: 55 New
      +2
      The sponsor of the company in which I work could not return money to Russia last year. He is actively investing in agriculture, the transfer of some miserable 5-15 million for development was delayed for 3-4 months. The West understands this and is actively slowing down the process.
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 16: 05 New
    +2
    They were warned, they did not understand, so deep down to one place to the oligophrenic ... oh ... oligarchs! Means, of course, it’s a pity, all of them were extracted from Russian land ... Although I’m not sure that they would return their capital to their homeland, I personally would have felt it on my welfare ... But ... Everything could have been ...
  7. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 18 October 2017 16: 31 New
    +9
    With such a government and the State Duma, as we have in Russia, no enemies are needed!
    Yes, another point: at the beginning of the article it says - Russian money! And it is right. Those. money of Russian citizens stolen by oligarchs and their accomplices in the government and the State Duma.
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 18 October 2017 16: 44 New
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    Oleg (author of the article) - I applaud, a really relevant and very instructive article, in contrast to the usual "Putin outplayed everyone." I’ll add one more video on the topic hi
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 19: 40 New
      +2
      Fine. It remains to be expected when they sit on their suitcases, and after the money float.
      1. Romey
        Romey 18 October 2017 20: 39 New
        +7
        Yes, to hell with them if they just swim, fly, go and go. I would just applaud such a decision - all the same, the money stolen from us by these parasites will not come back. So, after all, they will ruin the country permanently - the unfortunate Russia will not survive the second (or whatever term there). And the worst thing is that we are pushed to choose between a bad script (Putin) and a really bad one (Bulk or dog). How to break this vicious circle and save the country? Absolutely incomprehensible. Because the national-patriotic forces are split into left and right (often far-fetched), and the power of parasites from time to time pours oil on this fire, actively clearing wounds with the anniversary of the events of 1917.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 20: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: romey
          . I would just applaud such a decision - all the same, the money stolen from us by these parasites will not come back.

          My idea is not that the money is already there, and they cannot be returned, but that they flow there every day. The question is what the president will do. To guess the actions of Trump, to bend under him, or to disperse the government.
          1. Romey
            Romey 18 October 2017 21: 14 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            My idea is not that the money is already there, and they cannot be returned, but that they flow there every day. The question is what the president will do. To guess the actions of Trump, to bend under him, or to disperse the government.

            What will the president do? This is the most interesting. At 99% - nothing. According to the Constitution, the President of the Russian Federation appoints the Prime Minister and approves the composition of the government, and accordingly, if it has been working for five years, then it will be completely and completely satisfied ... Of course, before the elections and after them, some adjustment of the characters is possible, but the essence will remain the same. In fact, it turns out: a) he sees everything and knows everything, but he can’t do anything as a vice chairman Funk. Bottom line: Why do we need such a president? b) completely and completely satisfied with the semi-colonial existence of the Russian Federation behind the skilful and not very façade of the television picture of the Olympiads, pontopionates, Krymnash, Syriyash, trampnash and other show-offs. Bottom line: again, why do we need such a president? I personally tend to option b).
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 21: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: romey
              Bottom line: again, why do we need such a president?

              That and that. And then Ksyusha Sobchak decided to gallop as president. You don’t already know whether to laugh or cry.
              1. Romey
                Romey 18 October 2017 21: 39 New
                +3
                There is no hope for elections. The only option, when the time of X Maidan in Moscow arrives, some third force, as an alternative to the current president and conditional Navalny or Sobchak, will seize power and return the Motherland to nationally and socially oriented tracks. But while such a force is absent, and not least through the efforts of the presidential administration. Recently, a funny and even heretical thought crept in about a military coup (only in the case of Maidan and a clear threat of seizing power by the demshiza characters - I do not call for unlawful and extremist actions) with the subsequent transfer of power to A.G. Lukashenko or N.A. Nazarbayev. Those would not miss the chance to build their Empire (conditionally). wink
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 19 October 2017 10: 22 New
                  0
                  The latter would not be bad, but Old Man is unfortunately content with the role of the specific prince, because at the beginning of the 21st century he had real chances to destroy the Russian oligarchy and become the Emperor, but he did not.
              2. forty-eighth
                forty-eighth 19 October 2017 10: 35 New
                0
                Ksyusha has already said that the column with her last name in the ballot should be considered as the column “against all”.
                1. Romey
                  Romey 19 October 2017 15: 14 New
                  0
                  I beg you, even if Ksyusha were not herself, then her surname would immediately say a lot. So, that her statement is just another stupid thing, accomplished by her ...
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 19 October 2017 10: 08 New
          +1
          Money back is relatively easy. It is only necessary to declare offshore accounts stolen, put their owners in camps, using fire and drills to find out the specifics of the state of these accounts and put the nuclear missiles in the throat of the Fed owners when they refuse to return this money (they will then return them 100%) . That's all.
    2. Lord
      Lord 19 October 2017 00: 34 New
      +3
      I predict that if this host does not change the record, then he will soon be branded as an "agent of the State Department" and will be blamed on the whole country as Navalny.
      Well, people in Russia do not like messengers with bad news, and behind-the-scenes puppeteers carefully dislike this dislike.
      Or does someone naively believe that Russian specialists in creating and controlling public opinion are more stupid than their State Department colleagues?
    3. 23rus
      23rus 22 October 2017 09: 18 New
      +1
      Well, we will return the money to Russia ... and what will happen to the ruble? And why stupid Japan annually artificially reduces the value of the yen?
  9. Kent0001
    Kent0001 18 October 2017 17: 06 New
    +7
    Fine. Everything is fine. I already wrote that I’m for example FSK, that Trump will confiscate from our aligarchs, since it will never return to Russia, and a new yacht or the purchase of another villa in Cannes, or something else from someone of the deoffshorisor’s friends, will be paid for - I am not interested. They have already been provided with a green light for the withdrawal of capital by the authorities for a long time, so Trump will have something to profit from, it's just a pity not for our budget and for pensioners from the outback.
    1. Lord
      Lord 19 October 2017 00: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Kent0001
      Fine. Everything is fine. I already wrote that I’m for example FSU, that Trump will confiscate from our aligarchs, since this will never return to Russia ...

      There is a small nuance that the proletarians never think about (however, like any financial processes, it’s bigger than buying bread in a store) - from the turnover of these foreign deposits - millions of Russians get paid! If Trump confiscates this money, then the Russian "bourgeoisie" will stop paying salaries, go bankrupt, shut down their production in Russia and Millions of Russians can overnight to be unemployed. Probably none of you thought about this? And for large ones, small businessmen without offshore will also shower, solely due to the domino effect.
      So, gentlemen, good, this blow is not aimed at the oligarchs (they have golden parachutes for anyone), the blow is aimed at you - ordinary Russian hard workers, because you are the end of this financial food chain, there is nowhere to go from behind the “shock wave”.
      You are preparing "hungry riots", think about how to resolve. God help you.
      Py.Sy. - How in time they created Rosguard.
      1. vadsonen
        vadsonen 19 October 2017 16: 04 New
        +1
        Money is taken out not in order to "spin", but to avoid paying taxes, and so that it will not be taken away by the "redheads". Being exported from Russia, this money will never return to the Russian economy - it was not for this that it was exported. An exception is if Abramovich decides to refuel his yacht in the Russian port with diesel fuel.

        And the Rosguard will come in handy without this. Putin's rating is 180% only on Kisel-TV.
      2. 23rus
        23rus 22 October 2017 09: 32 New
        +1
        And here - the races! And Putin appoints "red" directors ... Somewhere it already was ... winked
  10. BAI
    BAI 18 October 2017 17: 15 New
    +9
    Money has already been stolen and will not return to Russia. For me personally, their fate is therefore completely indifferent. I even welcome Trump’s initiative to break freebies to high-ranking thieves.
  11. ver_
    ver_ 18 October 2017 17: 17 New
    +8
    Quote: just a PEG
    Gather all in one place and give a week to return to the jurisdiction of Russia, those who disagree to shoot along with their families, moreover, defiantly and show on all TV channels!

    So low. There is a much more humane way - to plant a prick .. On the right stake, a person lives on for about four days .. He will have 4 days to think and make the right decision, it’s democratic, and there will not be much need for stakes, it’s cheap and cheerful ... only block the road to Israel - Chi Schaub did not rush there ..., where there is no extradition ..
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 19 October 2017 10: 11 New
      0
      The use of special ammunition in stubborn territory will ensure delivery from anywhere (although sometimes not in a live form).
  12. knn54
    knn54 18 October 2017 17: 21 New
    0
    "The rich cry too."
  13. Baloo
    Baloo 18 October 2017 18: 17 New
    +3
    Today, Russia seems to have offshore money, and tomorrow (in February 2018, exactly before the March elections), Donald Trump will take it. It will be taken away with the help of the new sanctions law, which has turned Russia into the same “bad” country as Iran and the DPRK.

    It is quite realistic, because GDP warned: torment yourself to swallow dust ... fool
  14. prior
    prior 18 October 2017 19: 18 New
    +1
    It would be nice if Trump expropriated their owners together with money.
  15. Vard
    Vard 18 October 2017 19: 20 New
    +6
    Bees and honey ... they confiscated a villa from friends in Spain ... like they couldn’t prove that the money was honest ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2017 21: 38 New
      0
      And soon all countries will take it into service - did not provide evidence of honestly earned money - confiscation of property and accounts in favor of the state.
      1. Lord
        Lord 19 October 2017 00: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        And soon all countries will take it into service - did not provide evidence of honestly earned money - confiscation of property and accounts in favor of the state.

        And what's interesting is that this does not apply to TNCs, so small and medium-sized businesses, almost openly, survive from the market. For it is not worthwhile for an initiative person to work for himself when he can bring income to TNK shareholders. The opinion of man himself, of course, does not interest anyone.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 October 2017 08: 45 New
          0
          I don’t know who is squeezing what is there, my production is developing and making profit for the ninth year in a row.
  16. Good Zsul
    Good Zsul 18 October 2017 19: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Everything that Krupnov says, whose opinion I have long known and fully share, follows from the logic of Brzezinski himself. And Brzezinski knew about the plans of the US Federal Reserve bankers very well, because he himself participated in them.
    Most likely, everything will be as Brzezinski said. All this is exactly what’s going on.

    Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers
    Never plot against Russia - they will find their stupidity for any of our tricks.
    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly supporting you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.
    1. Romey
      Romey 18 October 2017 20: 45 New
      10
      Do not be fooled. O. von Bismarck said these words about the Russians of the 19th century. Here, take at least the political elite that was, and that which is now - it is earth and sky. Even with all the shortcomings of a traditional estate society. If the Russo-Japanese War happened today, then Port Arthur certainly would not have been surrendered. It would simply be sold under the guise of joint economic activity.
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 18 October 2017 21: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: romey
        Happen Russo-Japanese war today

        just wouldn't happen once
        Quote: romey
        Port Arthur certainly would not have been surrendered. It would simply be sold under the guise of joint economic activity.

        goal achieved without shots
    2. MrK
      MrK 19 October 2017 12: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Good Zusul
      Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers


      Something I do not understand. In 1917, there were more believers in the Russian Empire than today in the Russian Federation. And the empire fell apart. Or isn’t it?
      1. Good Zsul
        Good Zsul 19 October 2017 12: 19 New
        0
        I will say differently if you do not understand ... For every .... nut .... there are ..... bolts.
        You will become a believer right away when you come under shelling or mortar .... Believe me, you will begin to be baptized and remember prayers ..
      2. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 19 October 2017 12: 43 New
        0
        The empire in 1917 did NOT collapse, but was reorganized in 1922
        1917-1991 is the Second Empire
        The revival of Hyperborea in 2018 will create the Third Empire
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 19 October 2017 16: 45 New
          0
          Well, Russian Empires are usually called kingdoms. So after the destruction of the power of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, the Fourth Kingdom awaits us.
      3. Lord
        Lord 19 October 2017 20: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: mrark
        Something I do not understand. In 1917, there were more believers in the Russian Empire than today in the Russian Federation. And the empire fell apart. Or isn’t it?

        In difficult times, religious extremism and sectarianism always raise their heads, even if at first they “softly lay” innocent seemingly cues.
  17. Karen
    Karen 18 October 2017 19: 26 New
    +4
    One could laugh, well, as a last resort, just smile while reading the words “our oligarchs” in articles and comments, but my conscience does not allow me.
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 October 2017 19: 32 New
    +8
    It's ridiculous! I just imagined how a snake devours itself! And why is Putin always opposed to the government? For me it is one and the same. Only side view.
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 18 October 2017 20: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      For me it is one and the same. Only side view.

      So it is ... Only the most stubborn, lobotomized propaganda still believe in a fairy tale about a good king and bad boyars. All associates of the cooperative came to power, assigned roles - to whom ... The performance is on, the audience is worried ...
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 18 October 2017 23: 11 New
        +2
        There was a family, became friends ....
      2. Good Zsul
        Good Zsul 19 October 2017 12: 35 New
        0
        Fedya, do you happen to see Sobchak as the president of the Russian Federation?
        You wrote so beautifully * the performance is going on, the audience is worried)))) And you, excuse me, who is the viewer or the participant in the performance? Just don’t say that you are a director)))
  19. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 18 October 2017 20: 41 New
    +2
    Read Mowgli Kipling's Akela Missed! “Kipling himself comments on this episode as follows:“ When the leader of the pack misses, he is called a dead wolf, although he is still alive, because he does not have long to live. ”So Kipling has the leader of the pack and stop raving about some kind of confrontation there. Just the time is coming.
  20. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 18 October 2017 20: 42 New
    +5
    What can I say ... The elites and the president can be replaced. Quietly, or with noise and shooting - but they can. There are plenty of examples of this both in our history and in other countries. But rather, he himself will leave, having secured guarantees from the elites, if they demand. This power itself was created and strengthened ...
    1. Good Zsul
      Good Zsul 18 October 2017 21: 32 New
      0
      Do not even dream that * will change * .....
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 18 October 2017 21: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: Good Zusul
        Do not even dream that * will change * ....

        I celebrated my own for a long time. It’s good that you shouldn’t have to be disappointed in your dreams, but I’ve survived many of those "lifting the country from their knees" ... Maybe you’ll still have to reason, like - "We didn’t know" ... "Deceived us ..." We believed "...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 18 October 2017 23: 28 New
          +7
          Quote: Fedya2017
          It’s good that you shouldn’t have to be disappointed in your dreams, but I’ve survived many of these "lifting the country from my knees" ...

          Those same fools, but now only for Putin and United Russia.
        2. Good Zsul
          Good Zsul 19 October 2017 12: 26 New
          0
          Why do you think that I * still have to reason, like - "We didn’t know" ... "Deceived us" ... "We believed" ... *? I didn’t do it with my finger and, as it were, I studied in a Soviet school, and I captured a civil war ... now it’s coming ... So, I know better than you there ... who is deceiving us and who is making money on it .... Not do you like Putin?
  21. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 October 2017 21: 19 New
    +6
    Well, the rich have waited for their revolutionary sailor Zheleznyak, sorry Trump. It is a pity that the money will not be returned to Russia. But they would not return once. It’s in vain that Siluanov and Co. are sitting there. In general, "I’m tired of asking, please leave the hall."
  22. Good Zsul
    Good Zsul 18 October 2017 21: 31 New
    0
    Quote: romey
    If the Russo-Japanese War happened today, then Port Arthur certainly would not have been surrendered. It would simply be sold under the guise of joint economic activity.

    You can see, like me, you know everything ?!)))
    Well, were politicians better before? Were you alive at that time? Or just read * smart and correct * books?
    Do not exaggerate about * sales * ... Or judge by yourself?)
  23. Catherine II
    Catherine II 18 October 2017 21: 31 New
    +2
    too thicken this 180 afternoon event. Since money is the last guarantee of security, this is the usual loyalty hook.
    Not a loyal thief, sit without money
    Loyal is our man, anyway a thief or not. Share.
    There is always a way out.
  24. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 18 October 2017 21: 55 New
    +6
    So, officially, we have a trillion bucks in America (or rather, in America). And we have noodles on our ears. Like "we got up from our knees." And now the most important question: who will answer for this? Or I’ll write this: who should answer for this?
    And here is the answer:
  25. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 18 October 2017 23: 33 New
    0
    Or maybe it is for the better ...?
    They didn’t live richly, and there’s nothing to get used to. But with the help of the "partners" of the bees, or rather dung flies, they will get rid of honey ... And after that even their great-grandchildren will not wash off. They will become unnecessary for anyone, neither here nor here ..
    And we are headquarters ... we do not get used ...
  26. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 23: 48 New
    +7
    Wow, how much excited people got lucky! And everyone is an expert, while riding an expert and an expert, laughing
    I would probably also be concerned ... if I had not read the signature under the article carefully wink
  27. Clone
    Clone 19 October 2017 02: 09 New
    0
    "A cornered beast is dangerous; a cornered man is doubly." (with)
    The Americans do not take into account OUR psychology when the hat is open and the chest wide open ... and then with the involvement of some kind of mother ...
  28. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 October 2017 06: 31 New
    +2
    The fact that the president’s orders are ignored by the hucksters indicates the weakness of power in the Russian Federation and the lack of patriotism in business, which is in the hands of foreigners in the Russian Federation, such as Gref, for whom Russia is a stranger and is seen by him exclusively as a cash cow that needs to be fed less and milked more .
  29. Karen
    Karen 19 October 2017 09: 03 New
    0
    Quote: just a PEG
    Gather all in one place and give a week to return to the jurisdiction of Russia, those who disagree to shoot along with their families, moreover, defiantly and show on all TV channels!

    Yes, you are the executioner, Palych!
    Mishiko also showed that everything can be taken away from the grabbers and without bloodletting ... just one horror tablet is enough.
    Therefore, in an overwhelming percentage, Georgians dream of his second coming (essno, without a type 08.08.08/3/4) ... Living with honest pents ... this is such happiness ... Imagine, then, that a traffic cop, noticing a drunk driver in the insole that keeps the steering wheel, so as not to tip over from the seat, just gets behind the wheel of this car and drives to the border, releasing all XNUMX of XNUMX sides.
  30. Alex66
    Alex66 19 October 2017 09: 43 New
    0
    It is doubtful that the United States will confiscate the contributions of the elite, this will lead to an aggravation of relations and will facilitate the decision to strike nuclear weapons. On the other hand, it would be nice if the contributions of the elite were confiscated, fools need to be taught, although the Russians will pay for the rotenberg and the bill of exchange. But such is the price of independence from American friends.
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 19 October 2017 12: 49 New
      +3
      Rather, they will not confiscate them directly on February 02, but will make a list and will twist their hands. I think we will see bizarre bends of the general line and accelerated "economic joint development" of both the Kuril Islands and other assets, such as Sberbank, Rosneft, etc. companies completely rewrite to "partners"
  31. an124
    an124 19 October 2017 15: 05 New
    +3
    Estimated Katasonova V.- 2 trillion. dollars are in the foreign accounts of our nouveau riche and the nobility. For deoffshorization, GDP itself can be gnawed on the throat. Shuvalov, handsome, has already reported to the GDP that the government cannot do anything. Wear curls laughing and deoffshore is not scary.
  32. ver_
    ver_ 20 October 2017 12: 49 New
    0
    Quote: prior
    It would be nice if Trump expropriated their owners together with money.

    ... well, if you can be compared with a fir tree, then you can handle the Yankees with convection - they confiscate them and 10% are capitalized in favor of their bank - the rest will be returned to the treasury of Russia ...
  33. av58
    av58 21 October 2017 12: 14 New
    0
    A strange situation. Putin seems to stumble upon a wall over and over again. The failure of "deoffshorization" is the failure of both the state and Putin.
    Still have to solve the problem. Money is most likely to be frozen or confiscated, therefore, a law is needed to terminate property rights for offshore companies, or at least the rights to use and dispose of any assets in Russian jurisdiction. In such resident companies, state managers must be appointed, and all revenues are credited to the state account.
  34. Cop
    Cop 21 October 2017 19: 37 New
    +3
    So I think that Mr. Putin needs to decide whether he is ready to fight the West or not. If you are ready, then it's time to make a speech like "Brothers and sisters .......". And then get down to preparing the country for war. Call on reservists, conduct civil defense exercises, military maneuvers, reconstruct old ones and build new shelters to increase state reserves, etc. .. When the country is ready for war, then we can begin a substantive conversation with the West. But the Russian oligarchs must be faced with a difficult choice for them, with whom are you gentlemen, with the people or their enemies .....
    1. 23rus
      23rus 22 October 2017 09: 37 New
      +1
      Primitively. Everything proposed, but in a more calculated, balanced and categorical version, the snake has been going on for a long time ... Serdyukov, Chubais, Berezovsky and friend - figures on a chessboard.
  35. ver_
    ver_ 29 October 2017 09: 10 New
    0
    Quote: mrark
    Quote: Good Zusul
    Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the collapse of Russia, which is supported by millions of Russian believers


    Something I do not understand. In 1917, there were more believers in the Russian Empire than today in the Russian Federation. And the empire fell apart. Or isn’t it?

    ... the gendarmerie did not perform its functions properly: the qualification of sedentary behavior was not respected. Even at the court of His Majesty the lobby flourished ... Almost all revolutionaries were of God's chosen nationality .. 85% of the coup leaders who became the government were not even close to the indigenous nation ... but quite the contrary ...