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"Polite people" in Rome

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"Polite people" in Rome



In the "eternal city", about the conquest of which the great conquerors of antiquity dreamed, Russian troops entered under the applause of local residents and exclamations "Vivat Muscovite!"

For France, the wars that she waged with the European powers after the overthrow of the monarchy in her country and the establishment of a new format government were at the same time exporting revolutionary ideas.

In the conquered territories, the same form of government was established as in France - republican. So after the conquest of northern Italy, a number of republics were formed here: Cispdanskaya, Transadanskaya, Venetian, Ligurian, Piedmont and Neapolitan.

Even the outpost of the Roman pontiff did not escape the transformation; on the basis of the Papal States, the Roman Republic arose. Like all of the above, it was a French satellite, and was managed by the Directory - the government of the first French Republic.

Rich Italian lands have become for France the main source of replenishment. But the French government did not intend to conquer only Italy. General Napoleon Bonaparte set out on an Egyptian campaign, during which Malta and the Ionian Islands were occupied by the French.

This alignment greatly worried Russia and Turkey and forced two old enemies to conclude a joint alliance against France. Porta opened the straits for the Russian fleet, and in August 1798, having included a detachment of Turkish ships, the combined squadron under the command of Fedor Ushakov entered the Mediterranean Sea.

The Ionian Islands and the main one, Corfu, were liberated, after which the Russian troops began to cleanse the French of Italy. Brindisi, the boot-heeled city of Bari, were liberated; here lies the relics of St. Nicholas and Naples, one of the largest cities in Europe.

At the very time when the Russians liberated southern Italy, the Russian-Austrian army commanded by Suvorov fought the French in the north. Field Marshal Suvorov was in constant interaction with the squadron commander Fyodor Ushakov, it was in the 1799 campaign that the strategic interaction between the Russian army and navy began.

After restoring order in Naples, Vice Admiral Ushakov landed a naval landing with the number of 800 people to march on Rome. The French, having learned about the approach of the Russians, asked the British, the allies of Russia in coalition, to provide them with a corridor for free withdrawal. The British agreed, 2 500 garrison hastily left the "eternal city", but this decision caused the anger of Ushakov, because this detachment could join the French army, fighting with Suvorov.

Vice-Admiral wanted to cancel the order to march on Rome, but only a tearful letter from Cardinal Ruffo in which he reported that without the Russians "it would be impossible to save Rome from robbery and establish good order in it", forced Fyodor Fedorovich to send the Russian detachment in rome

After the departure of the conquerors in Rome, anarchy was formed, gangs of robbers and marauders began to wield, only the presence of military force, possessing moral principles, could restrict chaos.

The Cardinal, who appealed to the glorified naval commander, this quality of Russian soldiers was well known. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Romans greeted the Russian liberators with glee. “Vivat Muscovite!” They applauded the Russians.

Ushakov ordered not only to take care of order in the "eternal city", he ordered the commander of the frigate "Hasty", Lieutenant Commander Elfinston "to have the strictest surveillance, so that the French, in Civitta Vecchia and Rome, are robbed of all rarities and treasures from Rome, they did not leave with them and did not take them to France or to Corsica, ordering all enemy ships to be captured and taken prisoner. ”

The Russians not only fulfilled their mission to liberate Italy from the French, but also, as noted by military historian Dmitry Milyutin, they managed, through their discipline and discipline, to attract the hearts of the people to themselves. The officers of the Russian fleet can be proud of the 1799 campaign of the year, not only in their element, but also in the actions of the land forces, they have rendered excellent bravery and stewardship and have done their duty everywhere. ”
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  1. Curious
    Curious 15 October 2017 16: 14 New
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    "..as the military historian Dmitry Milyutin noted, they managed to attract the heart of the people with their" circumvention and discipline. "
    This is probably why the army of Napoleon, which entered Russia in 1812, was in the fourth corps (Italian army) under the command of the Viceroy of Italy. 25 Italians, and even 000 Neapolitans. It was evidently dragging their mortal bodies to Moscow with a return visit of politeness.
    1. domnich
      domnich 15 October 2017 17: 04 New
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      So after all, even the Slavic brothers from Ukraine for some reason do not like polite Russian people, not like some Italians with Neapolitans. It all depends on who the poor people “fell into”. But, in my opinion, “getting” under Napoleon (since it happened) is still preferable to “getting” under Poroshenko and Co. Unlucky for them (both of them) in the historical sense ...
    2. Cat
      Cat 15 October 2017 19: 23 New
      +3
      Moreover, the visit of Italians with "mortal bodies" was neither the first nor the last. If you believe a number of authors, the "Genoa infantry" participated in the battle on the Kulikovo field! Reliably the Italians participated in the Crimean and World War II, although all the companies for the "pasta" were unsuccessful.
      1. Gransasso
        Gransasso 15 October 2017 19: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Kotischa
        Reliably the Italians participated in the Crimean and World War II, although all the companies for the "pasta" were unsuccessful.



        Especially the Crimean campaign was unsuccessful .. what


        PS In the Crimean or Napoleonic, no Italians participated ... because of the absence of such a state and such a people .. specifically, for example, the Piedmontese took part in the Crimean .. and in 1812 the Napolitan kingdom .. whose king was Murat ... but this is too difficult for you probably ..
        1. Curious
          Curious 15 October 2017 19: 58 New
          +2
          “Now I clearly see that I fell into the society of uncultured people, that is, tramps without higher education,” and even under the Italian flag. You should at least look at Wikipedia.
          The Kingdom of Italy (Italian: Regno d'Italia, or Italian. Regno Italico) is a state in northern Italy during the time of Napoleon I (March 17, 1805 - April 11, 1814). And the Kingdom of Naples was separate.
          1. Gransasso
            Gransasso 15 October 2017 20: 27 New
            +2
            Learn the materiel ... when Italy formed as a modern state ... and do not write these jokes
            1. Curious
              Curious 15 October 2017 21: 06 New
              +1
              Yes, judging by your comments, you are more a specialist in Italian sanitary ware, you did not work out with Italian history.
              1. Gransasso
                Gransasso 15 October 2017 21: 12 New
                +3
                You didn’t even have a chance with sanitary ware ... The Italian unitary state was formed in 1861 ... the phantom states created by Napoleon from a pair of northern regions have the same relation to the state of Italy as the Lokot republic to the USSR ... there are dozens of “Italian kingdoms” then there were ... to chew not carry bags ...
                1. Curious
                  Curious 15 October 2017 21: 34 New
                  +1
                  Your logic is fully consistent with your profile. Good luck in your hard business.
                  1. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 15 October 2017 21: 46 New
                    +1
                    Struck by the height of the flight of thought ....
              2. losevo36
                losevo36 16 October 2017 19: 59 New
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                And how many puppies were there in the Russian army ??
                1. Curious
                  Curious 17 October 2017 00: 48 New
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                  Are these your relatives, or what? So you better know this.
            2. Cat
              Cat 15 October 2017 22: 03 New
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              Learn the materiel ... when Italy formed as a modern state ... and do not write these jokes

              Modern Italian state? But what about the attempts on the Roman Empire?
              especially for Italians unsuccessfully

              Yes, especially for Italians, the Crimean company was unsuccessful - only from "diarrhea" did it lose more than 200% of the original composition. Having earned from his allies, the loud "drove" - ​​""!
              A materiel “history” must be taught, if only for the fact that Italy during the Second World War fought on the side of the brown plague!
              1. Gransasso
                Gransasso 15 October 2017 22: 42 New
                +2
                You, like the previous speaker, have no idea what to write about ... some kind of incoherent set of phrases and absolute ignorance of the topic ... that even had the mind to quickly merge .. and you are stubborn ...


                Losses

                Ottoman Empire - 45,3 thousand dead from wounds and diseases

                The second French empire France - 97 365 dead, died from wounds and diseases; 39 injured

                United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Great Britain - 22 602 dead, died from wounds and diseases; 18 253 injured

                Sardinia Sardinia - 2194 dead; 167 injured
                Russian

                Russia -
                according to general estimates of 143 thousand dead:
                25 thousand killed
                16 thousand died of wounds
                89 thousand died from the disease


                Read better who dies from illnesses in tens of thousands ...
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                2. hohol95
                  hohol95 15 October 2017 22: 56 New
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                  And why are you boiling like a cold samovar ...
                  We distinguish SARDINA from SARDINS ...
                  The dead subjects of the Sardinian KINGDOM!
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                3. hohol95
                  hohol95 15 October 2017 23: 05 New
                  +1
                  According to the French edition of Histoire de la derhiere guerre de Russie, published in Paris in 1857, the losses of the Sardinian corps amounted to 1736 Sardinian soldiers and officers who died in hospitals. Of these: 1230 people died from cholera (including two generals - Alessandro Lamarmora and Giorgio Ansaldi), from typhus - 106 and from scurvy - 12. Altogether 1316 people died from epidemics. And the loss of the Sardinian corps for the Crimean campaign of 1855–1856. exceeded 2 thousand people.
                  Slightly you underestimated the loss of the SARDINIAN-Piedmontese!
                4. Curious
                  Curious 15 October 2017 23: 06 New
                  0
                  The previous speaker had the mind not to merge, but to stop throwing beads ... So do not flatter yourself.
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 15 October 2017 23: 08 New
                    +1
                    The main thing is that he does not tear the nervous system!
                    It will be a pity man! Like a man ...
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 15 October 2017 23: 25 New
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                      Maybe a person applies for citizenship and so trains for the Italian. You can understand.
                  2. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 15 October 2017 23: 10 New
                    +2
                    Uh no ... overestimated ... not enough ... herd instinct and the call of the jungle is a terrible thing ...
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 15 October 2017 23: 46 New
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                      YOU DO NOT RATE US - NOT ON THE BAZAR ...
                      Better amend your data on the losses of the Sardinian corps in the Crimea!
                5. Moore
                  Moore 16 October 2017 04: 07 New
                  +2
                  Well, it depends on what ratings you use.
                  I came across these:
                  - the total number of those killed in battle, as well as those who died from wounds and from diseases in the Allied army, amounted to 160-170 thousand people, in the Russian army - 100-110 thousand people;
                  - according to other estimates, the total number of deaths in the war, including non-combat losses, was approximately 250 thousand each from Russia and the allies. According to other sources, 153 thousand Russian soldiers died in this war (of which 51 were killed and died from wounds thousand people, the rest died of illness). Allies (French, British, Sardinians, Turks) died about the same. Almost the same percentage of losses they had was due to illness (primarily cholera).
                  1. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 16 October 2017 23: 50 New
                    0
                    Western sources give other numbers ...

                    Russia
                    256.000 per tutte le cause, di cui 128.000 morti per la guerra.-Russia-256.000. Of which -128.000 combat losses.

                    Impero Ottomano Cifre disponibili non affidabili. Turks-no reliable numbers



                    Francia Oltre 14.000 fra morti e feriti in battaglia. Dai 30.000 ai 40.000 morti per colera e altre malattie nei primi tre mesi del 1856. France - 14.000 killed and wounded. 30.000-40.000 died from cholera and other diseases in the first three months of 1856.


                    Regno Unito A seconda delle fonti dai 19.500 ai 21.000 morti (di cui 15.700-16.300 per malattie).
                    Great Britain-19.500-21.000 dead (of which 15.700-16.300 due to disease)


                    Italia 17 morti e 170 feriti in guerra, oltre ad almeno 1.300 morti per malattie. Italy - 17 dead and 170 wounded and about 1.300 dead due to illness
                    1. Moore
                      Moore 17 October 2017 04: 03 New
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                      That's right,
                      "Write more, why should they, the adversaries, regret" A.V. Suvorov.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2017 17: 18 New
    +4
    Some kind of paradox .. we are usually to them as liberators .. they are to us as occupiers .. and most importantly more than once .. in 1812, 1856, 1941 ..
    1. Moore
      Moore 16 October 2017 04: 22 New
      +2
      Well, this is just that simple. Socially, culturally and economically, they are all much closer to each other there than with us. Even when minor troubles like Napoleon or Hitler arise - you can tolerate, in the worst case, you can help the half-wild, half-Mongol barbarians.
      Well, when the desire to rob, and in a strong and pleasant company, becomes unbearable, all this camarilla turns to us, rakes the cradle and calms down for a while.
      It seems that now this time of tranquility is ending again ...
  3. knn54
    knn54 15 October 2017 17: 37 New
    +1
    The Italians perceived the war with Russia as a confrontation between "Scythia", where their "ancestors" fought "- the Romans. Well, I wanted to make a tour of the places of military activity of the "ancestors" ...
    1. Cat
      Cat 15 October 2017 22: 32 New
      0
      Well, just to the "Romans" modern Italians have the same attitude as the Russians to the Scythians!
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 15 October 2017 22: 58 New
        +1
        Romanians usually cheat with the "purity of blood" of Italians - THEY consider themselves true descendants of the ETERNAL ROME ...
      2. venaya
        venaya 16 October 2017 00: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Kotischa
        .. to the "Romans" modern Italians have the same attitude as Russians to the Scythians!

        Interesting. And by what signs can you distinguish Russians from Scythians? After all, neither one nor the other called themselves "Scythians", Herodotus uses the term "Scythians-farmers", but farmers in the language of the ancient Persian Farsi are just "Arians" or, as it is customary for us to say "agrarians" . Please tell me if you know how the difference between the Russians and those whom the Greeks then called "Scythians". Thanks in advance.
        PS: I really agree that the ancient Roman Latins did not correspond to the inhabitants of modern Italy, since the XNUMXth century, the territory of Apennine began to be actively settled by immigrants from the Arabian Peninsula. Then, by the way, the Genoese and Venetian merchants piled to the north and founded banking houses as in present-day Switzerland and Holland, here we recall the bank of little-known Boruchs. In this place, about the Romans, you can definitely agree.
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 16 October 2017 00: 45 New
          +2
          God forgive them ... for they don’t know what they are writing ....
          1. cradle
            cradle 24 July 2018 06: 19 New
            +1
            no need to wring your hands in despair ... it’s a sin before God ... although you can break the little hands of writing
      3. cradle
        cradle 24 July 2018 06: 16 New
        +1
        Well, Russian, let’s say they have this very relation to the Scythians. Unlike modern Italians to the Romans.