The media called the names of the dead in Syria, Russian pilots

Information about the crew members of the Russian Su-24 bomber crashed at the Khmeimim airbase appeared in the regional mass media. In particular, the information service "Vesti. Kalinigrad" calls the names of the dead pilots. These are servicemen from the Kaliningrad region - pilot captain Yury Medvedkov and navigator (also captain) Yury Kopylov.
At the same time, the Ministry of Defense does not officially announce the data on pilots killed in Syria. The commentary of the press service of the military department says that “the plane was flown by experienced pilots”.
According to the latest data, the navigator Yuri Kopylov was 42 of the year. Before serving in Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad Region, he served at the Baltimore airfield near Voronezh.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has set up a special commission that is investigating the causes of the crash of a front-line bomber. According to preliminary information the crash occurred during an attempt to take off. One of the main reasons is the technical failure of the Su-24 bomber.

Comments

[Blombir]

Sincerely condolences to relatives and friends. War takes the best. Let the earth rest in peace.

[Lord of the Sith]

Land in peace, to the pilots who have fulfilled their duty!

Su-34s have already transferred 120 units to the troops, by the end of 2018 there will be 150 units. That will replace the old man ...

[DEPARTMENT]

Non-combat losses, the most offensive ... My condolences to the relatives of the victims! After all, the aces were experienced. With such intense combat flights, this could very well have happened.
I hope the commission will figure out the reasons, and not just find switchmen ..
This is a bell, fleets need to be updated and urgently ..

[73bor]

Any losses are offensive! The Su-24 is a specific aircraft, its behavior is difficult to calculate and they say saving it in an emergency is simply pointless, the guys just did not have time to eject!

[Vladimir K.]

Are the pilots really sorry? Why not catapult? And we’ll configure the planes - who would argue.

[Lord of the Sith]

And I brought condolences, and then I wrote about the planes.

[opus]

Quote: Vladimir K.

Why not catapult?

there is very little time for a decision: 2-3 seconds.
could just not be in time.
Procedure:

in theory 0,45 sec.
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[volodimer]

Let's take a break, do not talk about an outdated plane, about the intensity of use, about the wrong sweep ... But the pilots, they do not go to the ground, they are to the sky to a height where air defense is powerless ... The kingdom of heaven .... This is better for description fits.

[EvilLion]

124 pcs 2020 year, no need to tell lies.

[Lord of the Sith]

Now available 120 units, 4 of them in Syria. Until the end of 2018 there will be 150 units. What is the lie?

[Pirogov]

The kingdom of heaven is for the peasants, and it is time for SU 24 to write off.

[VIX34]

Apparently the intensity of departures affected those. car condition. Kingdom of heaven to fallen soldiers.

[Grandfather]

Quote: VIN34

Apparently the intensity of departures affected those. car condition

"surge" is likely ... it happens unexpectedly.

[avia12005]

The bright memory ... The pilots do not die, they just go on the last flight ...

[Herculesic]

Land to you comrades captains rest in peace! Thank you for all that you managed to do both for our country and for the long-suffering Syria!

[Dashout]

pilot captain Yuri Medvedkov and navigator (also captain) Yuri Kopylov
Rest in peace! Heroes! My condolences to relatives ..

[dsm100]

Sorry, sorry for the people. Any technology has a resource. The aircraft is certainly reliable, but not young.

[assa67]

eternal memory to them ....

[Ncplc]

My condolences to the families of the victims.

[gamer]

I have no words! It’s impossible to put into words this grief, they are from our town, where everyone knows each other. Both have families, children and ..... May the earth rest in peace, men!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Guys are heroes, working to the limit. eternal memory to the guys

[Ace Tambourine]

Heroes Eternal Memory ...
Alas ... Heroes are not we ....

[Rushnairfors]

The men who wanted to help in the last article wrote, Lisitsin and WUA 518- while they are trying to find out the number of the card Medvedkov’s wives, they call to Chernyakhovsk, if classmates throw off the vibe, I can throw it out in VO, then everyone’s business, we will release if that via the mob. to throw the bank on the card, when the details are dropped into the group

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rushnairfors

I can throw in

Come on, at least for a penny, but throw off. Just put it somewhere in the first comments, or Smirnova (admin) ask that he would let the collection a separate article, it's worth it. You can find it on the site anyway, or get through the mods.

[LiSiCyn]

Tomorrow they promised me to drop the account number .. They said that the account was already open. Came out on fighters, but are based together. All questions in PM.

[Radikal]

Yes, sorry for the guys! Eternal memory to them, and glory! Only our media, as always, is troubled about the cause of the disaster. If they took off, and for some reason stopped taking off, rolled out further from the strip, and there was ammunition on board, then ...

[Rushnairfors]

There are 2 versions so far: the main one — the console has developed, the second version — took off on the wing 69 !!!!!!!! (I can’t understand how this is possible in principle, who knows, share it) there wasn’t enough strip and rolled out. But I vaguely believe in it, I did not fly to su24, but if, by analogy with tu22m3, then we have a wing of 65 current for supersonic sound, to fly up on it is unrealistic in principle, only the wing is 20 !!!! At such sweeps, I don’t know what speed should be so that the lifting force is sufficient to lift the aircraft into the air, it is clearly outside the limits of the maximum allowable landing gear strength. Therefore, I hardly believe in the 2nd option, but the first option ..... Moreover, there was a precedent.

[figwam]

And what surprises you, they say that it took off at maximum sweep. Human factor.

[Rushnairfors]

I already wrote above that confuses me. 1. The separation speed will be enormous: the greater the sweep, the lower the normal component of the velocity head involved in the creation of the lifting force, and here the wing is 69 !!!! It is almost completely folded.
2. At such a sweep, it is most likely impossible to release mechanization (flaps in particular), despite the fact that before take-off, on the pre-launch line, the plane inspects the starting outfit — the wing should already be 16 and the flaps in the take-off position — so on any plane, before taxiing to take-off everything should already be released and installed at a given angle. Plus a card of obligatory reports, (prayer). Plus, the PRP on the UPC which simply cannot help but notice that the board is taking off in violation of the wing configuration. Well, I think that they should have some kind of alarm on the Su24 (by analogy with our aircraft), in case the pilot got tired and didn’t do something vital to take off. For example, let’s say if you increase the mode by more than 0.7NOM and the flaps aren’t released, then the siren starts to buzz like “hey guy, you take off without mechanization, willy-nilly release, I think they also have something similar, maybe the signal board yes, I don’t know. But the fact that they and the technicians are examining them right in front of the lane, and the PRP looks and the RP is a fact, plus the pilots control themselves through prayer. Therefore, this option confuses me.

[figwam]

I know the real case when the SU-17 took off with maximum sweep and should have looked the same on the ground but missed it, the pilot, when he climbed, began to swap as it should be at 45 degrees

[Deniz]

On the ground inspection map, the crew checks the release of the wing, mechanization, control, receiving reports from the aircraft technician on NPU, and then in the take-off and landing configuration taxies from the parking lot in the direction of the runway.

[vik669]

I dealt with both the Mig-23 and the Mig-27 in the 70s-80s, but I do not remember take-offs and landings at the maximum sweep of the wing (only 16). Moreover, the SU-24 is a strict car and does not allow liberties. Well, what happened happened, it’s a pity the guys.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Rushnairfors

then we have wing 65

Mechanization at this angle (flaps will not come out), moreover, even if the crew did not notice, the technical post should not click.The consoles are synchronized, the gearboxes of the console drive on the sensors, if they switch off immediately, so that the desync is excluded. Well, what would happen if the gearbox breaks, then I find it difficult to say what should happen. And in Khurb the engine seemed to fail.
On February 12, 2004, during operations at the Khurba aerodrome due to a failure of the wing permutation system, which resulted in the formation of a false control signal in the control circuit, which led to spontaneous cleaning of the wing to 69 degrees and the impossibility of its subsequent release, the Su-24M plane crashed .

On July 28, 2004, during a flight operation at the Khurba airfield, a serious aviation incident occurred with the Su-24M aircraft. Abnormal operation of the screw transducer of the wing shifting system led to an increase in the torque on the shaft from the gearbox to the screw transducer and, as a result, to “jamming” the clutch of the gearbox of the console drive and the wing stopped in an intermediate position. This incident could also escalate into an accident.

January 27, 2006 due to the failure of the wing permutation system, a serious aviation incident occurred with the Su-24 aircraft of the Navy.
More details: http://www.vko.ru/koncepcii/otstuplenie-ot-letnyh
-zakonov-nedopustimo

[figwam]

WUA 518

They say that during the take-off, the pilot saw an error and began to switch the wing to take-off mode, but there was not enough strip. So far, only rumors. Now only black, the box will give an answer.

[vik669]

If so, then a conversation with those who produced the car will be very even yes, and the “Tester” must have survived and will show everything!

[avia12005]

Back in 1985, special shields for Su-24 - "16 Wing" were installed in the Steppe. And in 80, in my opinion, in Bade Su-24 at night took off with the wing 45, demolished ATU, but nevertheless took off.

[Rushnairfors]

So what is the point, and at 45, and at 69 he needs a runway length of 5 kilometers, probably, while his speed will be such that the chassis will fly off.

[figwam]

Rushnairfors

That's right, 69 degrees takeoff and even with a combat load is not real.
By the way, I found a video of the accident with TU-22M3.

[figwam]

But the recent crash of the AN-26, an imitation of the failure of one engine, feathering of the screws and the erroneous shutdown of the working engine before landing.

[HEATHER]

So what is it about, Hello, Colleague. To see something with the fuel system .. The engines didn’t take off. The guys cannot be returned. The cars drive in full. At the start, everything is fine, on take-off ... not the first time. I still remember 1989. When M3 fell in Shaikovka, I was in the service.

[WUA 518]

Quote: avia12005

Bade Su-24 took off with a wing at night 45

Summer 1987. I didn’t let the wing out of the APA to the Central Heating Center, the technician warned me to let the wing go, but the crew ignored it, I didn’t fly the RP either, didn’t slow down at the technical post, fluttered shorter at the end of the lane, collected power transmission poles. Then they sort of wrote off the plane.

[HEATHER]

Sanya! You, as always. With evidence. Forgive the familiarity.

[WUA 518]

Quote: VERESK

Sorry for the familiarity.

Hi Dim. You know, you can do it without ceremony. I have a classmate of the Chelyabinsk Navigation School who graduated as he says Chush. He told me a lot about tea. Yes, the pilot taught the tactics at the school with Su-24, the storyteller was healthy!

[HEATHER]

a pilot from the Su-24 taught tactics at the school Sorry, but I never loved this car. Even when in the early 90s they were driving west through our platform 1200-30. I don’t know why. It seems to be a beautiful and powerful car. After them, the Su-25s flew to two days. It was just a song! ugly and best. With pilots, it's all hockey. But with 24. There were problems. I’m a techie. I understand your psychology perfectly. But when the captain starts to be rude to me, the navigator is 24- go. I had to put the guy in his place. He just went for the hare. It’s not the fault of the car, that I don’t like it. The fault of some idiots. I hope there aren’t any now. Although I don’t serve, but my sons are going to stand on wings. I don’t know which ones. Silently smiling, they’re hit. God forbid, the Tu-22M3M. I’ll just go live in the taiga.

[vik669]

At 80m, a Su-78530 flew in to us (27), the Su-24 so next to the Mig was a serious car, and now people forget about the Mig-27 and the Su-24 is still very (by the way, nobody remembers the F-111 but very It was similar to the Su-24).

[HEATHER]

Sanya. And nothing that 90% of the site doesn’t understand. You know. Aviation is ELITE. What you threw off is simply a birch grove for everyone. And maybe even worse. Https: //topwar.ru/uploads / posts / 2017-10 / 1507
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[okko077]

What kind of nonsense? What is the configuration? .. Educational program for dummies. After taxiing out of the parking lot — the position of preparing the aircraft for taxiing out, taxiing takes the entire mechanization of the SU-24M into the take-off position and only after that the technician permits taxiing. There is also a checkpoint before taxiing to the runway — triple control, counting the pilots at least ... The plane drives and takes off in the take-off position and you can’t change it until you reach the set height ..... Are there any specialists on the forum here?

[Rushnairfors]

So I wrote about this above, and I and WUA 518, and heather. Did you read at all?

[figwam]

okko077

And there are specialists and teapots, that's such a "nonsense" ... http://in24.org/incidents/28917

[okko077]

I do not trust this information, too many people will sit .... Give a photo, I saw a cartoon in the news ... for idiots.

[weary]

stopped taking off

The plane crashed a kilometer from the strip, fell on the houses of the town of Rashir, causing an extensive fire. Apparently, there was full ammunition and it exploded.

[HEATHER]

was full ammunition and it exploded. 6 tons of suspensions and 12 tons of kerosene. The calculation is for 40 minutes of flight. The cause of the disaster, I hope to find out. Although ...

[weary]

I hope to find out. Although ...

Yes, sad of course.

[okko077]

Dear, each military aircraft has an average raid on the denial of failure in the air and on the ground, there is an average raid on the premise of a flight accident, the average raid on a flight accident, and the latter are different: accidents and catastrophes ... This is a technique, sophisticated equipment, military equipment .. A military pilot on a jet plane can retire at the age of 29, they don’t give us pensions for nothing ...

[Svarog51]

The plane crashed a kilometer from the strip, fell on the houses of the town of Rashir, causing an extensive fire. Apparently, there was full ammunition and it exploded.

This does not change anything. Listen to this.

[HEATHER]

SVAROG. Why. And so shitty. War. Tear it apart. But we have Syria is not the last. Perhaps my son will fight somewhere. Not today. He is still studying. Even now I’m already shitty. When they were, this is one thing. But when our children go. And they go. Lieutenants. And, you know, they can’t be called "casts." This is not the same. Our boys are already going to war. Let, even in the future. But-already-not far away.

[Svarog51]

Dimych, don’t I understand? It was meant for vearey to feel. You already live side by side with this.

[HEATHER]

It was meant for vearey, Sorry. I just got in. The topic has already gone.

[not main]

Quote: VERESK

It was meant for vearey, Sorry. I just got in. The topic has already gone.

Sorry to fit in! Just read your correspondence. I do not know all the regulations for the Su-24, but I think that the crew tried to lift the car into the air until the very end! If a technical problem, then it would be nice to find (and not as "sometimes" attributed to a crew error).

[EvilLion]

That song about a huge sky is good, but it’s better to take off not over buildings, especially since there is always a threat of MANPADS and turntables are on duty.

[faterdom]

Quote: Vladimir K.

Are the pilots really sorry? Why not catapult? And we’ll configure the planes - who would argue.

Test pilot M. Tolboev said that this aircraft has a very complicated engine, and if something is on takeoff, then the pilots have literally one or two seconds to realize the problem. That is, to understand that everything and catapult in such a short time is possible only by a miracle, almost unrealistic.

[HEATHER]

Test Pilot M. Tolboev said He is a test pilot. An excellent man. But Tolboev did not fight.

[Radikal]

Quote: Rushnairfors

There are 2 versions so far: the main one — the console has developed, the second version — took off on the wing 69 !!!!!!!! (I can’t understand how this is possible in principle, who knows, share it) there wasn’t enough strip and rolled out. But I vaguely believe in it, I did not fly to su24, but if, by analogy with tu22m3, then we have a wing of 65 current for supersonic sound, to fly up on it is unrealistic in principle, only the wing is 20 !!!! At such sweeps, I don’t know what speed should be so that the lifting force is sufficient to lift the aircraft into the air, it is clearly outside the limits of the maximum allowable landing gear strength. Therefore, I hardly believe in the 2nd option, but the first option ..... Moreover, there was a precedent.

I’m not talking about this, but about the fact that the plane eventually exploded in its ammunition.

[tomket]

The Kingdom of heaven.....

[HEATHER]

Yo-mine. How so? Sorry guys. Condolences ...

[Hurricane70]

"When making acceleration to take off from the airfield, Khmeimim (Syria) rolled out of the runway to perform a combat mission and the Su-24 aircraft crashed. The crew did not manage to catapult and died," the department said.
Everlasting memory! Eternal sky! It is a pity there are no words ... But ... There is no need to relax, The war is on ... And we will win!

[Mikhail Zubkov]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Non-combat losses, the most offensive

Why is it non-combat? Killed on a combat mission, not a training. They are equated to DB participants by law. Technology failure is one of the risks of the database. They did 4 flights a day - this is work on the wear of equipment and l / s according to the BATTLE need. Warriors - Kingdom of Heaven, condolences to the families ...

[foreman]

maybe military losses, the Defense Ministry still does not recognize

[EvilLion]

Most likely, there was no separation. But you do not believe, do not believe. "The political instructor is lying."

[Dr. Sorge]

Eternal memory to the heroes! Forever in the memory of Russia in our hearts. The three of them went to heaven - the crew and their combat vehicle.

I do not believe in technical failure, it seems to me that this is a diversion of piiindossov.

[weary]

And from Egypt it came that the Egyptian F16 was hit in Libya by a missile smuggler. The smugglers Carl. They have, in Syria probably also have.

[Djahongir]

The loss of Top-notch Aces, Pilots who can fly such a complex aircraft, already in their throats. When will Russian pilots fly on the best of the best aircraft?
When is the price of a professional pilot, tanker, etc. will be a trillion times higher even if the updated aircraft or other equipment, is it still being developed already in the last century?
Where are su34, su30, su35, etc. in full force?
The Grachenok is good, but it has slightly different parameters.
My sincere condolences to the family of departed ace pilots ....

[Chernig]

I’m sorry, I know Baltimore

[Maverick1812]

Good memory to guys .....

[NN52]

My sincere condolences to the families of pilots ....