The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

The Ministry of Education and Science noted the initiative to change the program for primary school in Russia. The head of the ministry, Olga Vasilyeva, said that in the next couple of years, compulsory chess lessons would be introduced in the primary (1-4) classes of the secondary school.

Information Agency Interfax cites a statement by the Minister of Education and Science, who answered the question of Senator Oleg Tsepkin:

Yes, we plan to introduce in the next two years, maybe even next year.

It was the senator from the Chelyabinsk region who asked Olga Vasilyeva whether the Ministry of Education would introduce the lessons of “chess culture”.
Olga Vasilyeva:

This is a very simple program, from 1 to 4 class - once a week. And there is no need for additional competencies for the teacher. The program is structured in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodical recommendation, teach a child to play chess himself.

The introduction of chess in the school curriculum, in general, may be useful. However, the minister’s statements that “there are no additional competencies required there” are somewhat alarming. It turns out that additional competencies may be needed for teaching a child to mathematics, drawing, or a foreign language, but not for learning to play chess. With such logic, will not the learning process of a new program be reduced to a formality?

Comments

[rpek32]

this is strange.

[oldseaman1957]

The program is designed in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodological recommendation, teach a child how to play chess.

- Cool! Both teachers and children will even learn to think with their heads! Chess brains put in order, and from gadgets - they get dull!

[Trevis]

And right before our eyes! All games yes games.

gadgets are getting dumb!

[Shurik70]

I do not believe that they will introduce it. Even in the USSR there were only chess clubs.
And now, when everywhere instead of studying, preparations are underway for the exam. Cramming instead of knowledge.
Maximum - in individual schools will introduce school chess olympiads. In extracurricular time.

[cniza]

Well, we won’t guess at the daisy, but after a while we’ll see ...

[Shurik70]

Quote: cniza

after a while we'll see ...

Rather forget

[cniza]

And it will depend on you, and on me, and on others ...

[Tatyana]

I don’t understand why to introduce chess teaching into the school curriculum.
Who wants to learn how to play, he will learn. I learned how to play chess in elementary school and even performed in interscholastic chess competitions. She took prizes. I had this hobby - and it passed. It has nothing to do with life.
And I know how gatherings for hours playing chess distract children-players, in particular, from physical training, from household chores.
Children get tired of a mental strain, then they are reluctant to sit down for lessons.
It would be better if children were more engaged in physical education, dancing and singing, moving more.
Do we need ubiquitous chess players ?!
What is the next whim in the official program of public education? Girls need housekeeping mugs, cuts and sewing, knitting need! And then some married ladies in this regard are completely armless, and they don’t like to cook and do not know how.

[rpek32]

Quote: Trevis

And right before our eyes! All games yes games.

tell this to the child who plays in the Kerbal Space Program (there is a version adapted for schools, by the way) or in Factorio.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

What is it ... Actually, chess, by itself, is not bad if they are not imposed.
But the fact that the conduct of this discipline is persistently lobbying for SAM Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the builder of New Vasyukov in Kalmykia, is annoying.

[Vend]

Quote: Separ DNR

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

What is it ... Actually, chess, by itself, is not bad if they are not imposed.
so

Yes, and put estimates. it won’t end in anything good. A good idea.

[Tatyana]

Vend
a good idea.

The idea is brainless! There is no practicality in it! It has nothing to do with public education, as such. But how much EXTRA money from the state budget for public education and labor costs from teachers and students it will require !!!
Does the people need chess in their profession as a builder, machine operator, shipbuilder, etc.? or the cashier of a chess store will help customers serve ?!

All this is very similar to the corrupt use of money from the state budget by officials from education with limited social responsibility!

[himRa]

I am delighted with your statements! :

Quote: Tatiana

Idea brainless! There is no practicality in it! TO popular education

There is no, popular, education as well as centralized when compared with the USSR !!!!
Each municipal authority can make adjustments to the program ...
there are children who don’t study at all ...

Quote: Tatiana

But how much EXTRA money from the state budget for public education and labor costs she will demand from teachers and students !!!

Love denyushka count !?
I am sure that you don’t shine, to distribute these same budget money ...

Quote: Tatiana

Does the people need chess in their profession as a builder, machine operator, shipbuilder, etc.? or the cashier of a chess store will help customers serve ?!

Listen to yourself !!!!!you refuse children a dream !!
And just calmly re-read the topic again ..
. Hot response by the way!

[Vend]

Quote: Tatiana

Vend
a good idea.

The idea is brainless! There is no practicality in it!

Brainless is not an idea here. Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.

[himRa]

Quote: Wend

Brainless is not an idea here. Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.

You got it!
women .... .... but sometimes, on the nose, you need to click ...
From reality so as not to come off too much and with slogans .. not much ... carried away, all the same it is in our part ...
But I personally respect Tatyana as a participant in our forum, there are practical suggestions!
Yes, and had to communicate in PM,

[Vend]

Quote: himRa

Quote: Wend

Brainless is not an idea here. Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.

You got it!
women .... .... but sometimes, on the nose, you need to click ...
From reality so as not to come off too much and with slogans .. not much ... carried away, all the same it is in our part ...
But I personally respect Tatyana as a participant in our forum, there are practical suggestions!
Yes, and had to communicate in PM,

We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

[himRa]

Quote: Wend

We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....

[Vend]

Quote: himRa

Quote: Wend

We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....

So we have them on the forum

[himRa]

Quote: Wend

Quote: himRa

Quote: Wend

We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....

So we have them on the forum

All right colleague!

[Pirogov]

Quote: Separ DNR

But the fact that the conduct of this discipline is persistently lobbying for SAM Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the builder of New Vasyukov in Kalmykia, is annoying.

How does this bother you? It’s a good thing and the most important thing, so let’s at least Lenin lobby from the mausoleum, the main thing is to the benefit of both children and the country.

[Alf]

Quote: Pirogov

, the main thing is that both children and the country benefit.

To the benefit of the country and children will be the rejection of the Unified State Exam, the booby education system and a return to the formation of the USSR.

[LSA57]

Quote: oldseaman1957

, and from gadgets - get dumb!

and not only from them. from a calculator, I generally forgot how to count in my mind I can’t count in a store without him Kavk only stop using it after a couple of weeks skills are restored all, well, almost all, electronics dry the brain

[210ox]

Does the ministry not want to withdraw requisitions from the school curriculum?

Quote: oldseaman1957

The program is designed in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodological recommendation, teach a child how to play chess.

- Cool! Both teachers and children will even learn to think with their heads! Chess brains put in order, and from gadgets - they get dull!

[Baloo]

Quote: oldseaman1957

О

Finally! I’ll also ask the Ministry of Education: physical education ... My grandson will have 3 class lessons in physical education in grade 3. This is about what physical education can we talk from the teacher of the world ??? The first thing you need to teach first graders is the ability to own a body. This is choreography in any form — aerobics, W-shu (optimally !!!), ballroom dancing, classical gymnastics (the basics !!!) with a gradual transition to simple exercises on shells (bars, horse, rings, horizontal bar). After that, endurance training - athletics, swimming, skiing. After this training, together coordination of movements and endurance - volleyball, basketball, hand ball and again swimming.
But only after that allow children to attend sections at the school instead of physical education at the same school time: swimming (swimming again and again), volleyball, basketball, handball, martial arts. Noticed that I didn’t say a word about football, hockey, weightlifting? Having a modest experience as a pediatrician, pediatric surgeon, in sports medicine, an orthopedic traumatologist, and manual therapist, he is now a clinical expert, and decided that I can afford this categorical judgment.
Himself in sport did not reach great heights, as all the boys all the time wanted something new (freestyle wrestling, sambo, weightlifting, swimming, scuba diving, sea all-around).
Chess is something that can distract children from gadgets, teach them to think independently.

[papas-57]

Our Ministry of Education and Science deals with hey ... her. Chess is played only by those who are interested. A violent vaccination of love for chess will end like all populist undertakings - in nothing. Just in the classroom they will sleep as usual.

[Baloo]

Quote: papas-57

Our Ministry of Education and Science deals with hey ... her. Only those who are interested in chess play chess.

So you need to instill a desire for independent thinking and creativity, concentration. There is an alternative to chess: checkers, hundred-cell checkers, Go.

[papas-57]

`` There is an alternative to chess - checkers, hundred-cell checkers, Guo. '' And also backgammon, cards, roulette, Chapaevites, you need to think everywhere, but not everyone is interested. And in life, most will not come in handy. Violent vaccination usually causes rejection. And the stronger the vaccination, the greater the rejection. And because of one moron in the Ministry of Education and Science, millions of schoolchildren will suffer.

[voyaka uh]

There is a lot of chess in remembering standard situations. They do not develop imagination. Guo is much more interesting.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is a lot of chess in remembering standard situations.

Seriously? Hmm ... but I’ve devoted more than 20 years to this game and I couldn’t think that chess doesn’t develop imagination, ability to healthy imagination and intuition.

[himRa]

Quote: voyaka uh

They do not develop imagination. Guo is much more interesting.

I don’t know the game of Go, but about chess, I’m wrong, as a boy I had a clear idea of ​​the ram attack of the elephants when he “cuts through” the enemy’s forest, cavalry attacks from ambush and cavalry with sabers and shouts, and foot soldiers with spears and shields cheering each other in the ranks ... yes there were a lot of vivid pictures in the game !!!

[Knizhnik]

In some ways I agree with you. But actually any System at some high stage limits; the richer the Arsenal, the later the restriction comes (as in the mentioned Go). But at the beginning, it certainly disciplines and develops.

[himRa]

Quote: Knizhnik

In some ways I agree with you. But actually any System at some high stage limits; the richer the Arsenal, the later the restriction comes (as in the mentioned Go). But at the beginning, it certainly disciplines and develops.

In past events, there is no way to change anything!
It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon

was played in 1820 against General Bertrand.

or legal

Legal - Saint-Brie parties in Paris in 1750.

replayed from the party and trying to understand what they were thinking then
Another important quality, such as concentration and the ability to relax, it helps me so far especially when driving a car.

[Knizhnik]

In past events, there is no way to change anything!
It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon

Why is this at all?
The system (game) is the construction of archetypes, and each possible case is naturally unique and potentially diverse. What was unique and will not happen again, Napoleon was forgotten, we are not in his place, and he is not ours.

[himRa]

Quote: Knizhnik

In past events, there is no way to change anything!
It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon

Why is this at all?
The system (game) is the construction of archetypes, and each possible case is naturally unique and potentially diverse. What was unique and will not happen again, Napoleon was forgotten, we are not in his place, and he is not ours.

In order not to reproach yourself later, what could have been otherwise and your son, grandson .... would have lived a different life!
We must give a chance!
What is being done in our country (RF), which I am glad about!
Napoleon .... yes ... of course ... but the parts are recorded!

[HEATHER]

compulsory chess lessons will be introduced. A preference to enter, weak? And what. Let the schoolchildren on whist for a cent hang out. Fool, damn it.

[iouris]

They will play chess on gadgets. Brains must be had, not put in order. Education of the mind does not add. Humanity is developing in productive work, and not in the game of chess on the gadget. Everything is lost.

[siberalt]

And why not introduce Sportloto in national schools, for example, backgammon or go. But seriously, in schools should be organized circle work in all areas of science, technology and art. Forcing does not lead to good.

[Baloo]

Quote: siberalt

And why not introduce Sportloto in national schools, for example, backgammon or go

just like solitaire, it is more a training of intuition, rather than strategic thinking.

[vovanpain]

but for learning to play chess, no? Would such a logic reduce the learning process of the new program to formality?

Chess is a very good thing for the brain, but they require attention, perseverance, and whether they have a first-grader, judging by their grandson, goes to first grade, it is painful to be diligent, but chess is much better than sitting in gadgets and more useful. It’s just that there wouldn’t be any formalism. It depends on teachers.

[LSA57]

Quote: vovanpain

Chess is a very good thing for the brain, but they require attention and perseverance

But does the same mathematics not require? What about drawing? so much more. the child will be interested, there will be perseverance. you can’t tear your toys from shooters

[vovanpain]

Quote: LSA57

But does the same mathematics not require? What about drawing? so much more. the child will be interested, there will be perseverance. you can’t tear your toys from shooters

Sergey, on the one hand, of course you are right, and mathematics, by the way, the granddaughter also has a genuine interest in drawing, Rusika is not interested in drawing, but hell already knows how many albums she bought, she’s 5 years old, now she’ll definitely play chess, she plays with me, though I succumb to her of course , but she already remembered how to walk with the figures and she liked it. It all depended on the teacher, she would be able to interest, then the children would like it, and if they were unhooked, that would hardly help.

[LSA57]

Quote: vovanpain

. It all depends on the teacher, knows how to interest, then the children will like it,

so that's it. and applies not only to children. main interest. After all, on the Internet, we have not just climbed and hang on sites for hours

[vovanpain]

Quote: LSA57

hanging on sites for hours

And in and for all days.

[LSA57]

Quote: vovanpain

And in and for all days.

truly

[siberalt]

To become a teacher teaching chess, you need to finish ped. University, where they must betray the teaching methods of chess. But this is complete nonsense! Try to teach women chess, it will work out only with units. They have a different logic from nature. And this is a long recognized fact.

[forester]

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

It’s really strange, it would be better if the USE were canceled and returned to the Soviet system of education. Where will they find so many teachers who know the game - who do not know how to walk, namely the game? In general, there are minobras

[LSA57]

Quote: forester

Really strange, it would be better if the USE were canceled and returned to the Soviet system of education.

the other day I read that the prototype of the exam in the states was a test for people with intellectual disabilities. ours stupidly licked this "guessing game"

Quote: forester

Where will they find so many teachers who know the game - not knowing how to walk, namely the game?

to teach the rules and how the figures walk every teacher can. but the task of preparing masters and grandmasters is not posed. because at the gym classes Olympic champions are not prepared

[NEXUS]

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

Nothing strange, dear. I tell you as a master of sports in chess. This game develops logical thinking, analytical, educates the child to make decisions, teaches self-discipline, again the exact sciences and the ability to think extraordinary and broadly. I can only welcome this.

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

I can only welcome this.

Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"

[NEXUS]

Quote: LSA57

Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"

I am sure that yes ... it’s a good and very useful business for the child.

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

I am sure that yes ... it’s a good and very useful business for the child.

all the more so in tynet full of chess games. dabble in leisure

[NEXUS]

Quote: LSA57

all the more so in tynet full of chess games. dabble in leisure

It’s better to play with a living person ... although this is enough on the internet ... you play online with another player.

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

Better to play with a living person

of course better. but this is a problem. friends who know how to play are gone. is on the internet, on skype and play

[Makarov]

Oh ... excellent .... tell me how remembering a couple of hundred principles develops logical thinking?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Makarov

Oh ... excellent .... tell me how remembering a couple of hundred principles develops logical thinking?

It develops memory, and to be precise, visual memory ...

[Makarov]

Here I agree completely. What does memory have to do with logic?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Makarov

Here I agree completely. What does memory have to do with logic?

Let’s say biathlon ... not only accuracy is needed there, but also physical preparation, a firm hand, a clear mind ... and so in chess, there are also qualities that are needed for this game ... there is a set of bonuses that are acquired by a child when lesson in chess.

[Makarov]

Hmm ... in general it is clear. What bonuses are in question I do not specify. Kasparov’s example eloquently shows that chess is combinatorics and has an indirect relation to mental development. It would be better if they gave this hour to math ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Makarov

Kasparov’s example eloquently shows that chess is combinatorics and has an indirect relation to mental development.

Hmm ... that is, an example of Nimtsovich, Botvinnik, Tal, Petrosyan, Karpov, Fisher
and so on, they don’t talk about anything at all ... but Kasparov’s example turned out to be indicative and affirmative for you .. well.

[Makarov]

And let's “poke” together ... Fisher - after he finished playing chess he went in for robbery, betrayed and sold his country, was happy about the deaths of his compatriots on September 11 ... it's just a role model. He did so much for people - he played chess! And ... and he was also an ardent anti-Semite ... "smart", nowhere else to go ...
Karpov - here I have no questions regarding his mind ...
Petrosyan defended his Ph.D. on the topic “Some Problems of the Logic of Chess Thinking” - in which he argued that chess refers to logic and not to combinatorics ...
Tal is a Player ... and putting him on a chessboard line with legends is not entirely correct ... as I understand it was a supporter of the independence of Latvia ... probably against the backdrop of alcoholism
Botvinnik is a genius and there’s nothing to argue about ...
Nimtsovich ... admitted that chess is a banal combinatorics and approached this issue purely from a mathematical point of view, and he succeeded ...
And note that the real geniuses who proved themselves lived as if at a different time ...

That is an example for me of Botvinnik and Karpov .. it is more likely that they showed their abilities in chess, which also appeared in other areas that they were engaged in. And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Makarov

Tal - Player ... and putting him on a chessboard line with legends is not entirely correct ..

Tal, respected for a moment, is a world champion, not just a player.

Quote: Makarov

Petrosyan defended his Ph.D. on the topic “Some Problems of the Logic of Chess Thinking” - in which he argued that chess refers to logic and not to combinatorics ...

There is still debate about what to include chess in art or sport ... and what?

Quote: Makarov

Nimtsovich ... admitted that chess is a banal combinatorics and approached this issue purely from a mathematical point of view, and he succeeded ...

No, from the word at all. Read his book "My Game" is called, maybe you will understand something.

Quote: Makarov

And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...

Everyone has a different life ... but it would be strange if all of them were ideals of decency and chastity. I’m not talking to you about your child drinking like Alekhine, or giving tricks like Fisher ... I’m about these people working a lot to become champions. And in my opinion you do not quite understand what it means to be able to play chess. Chess only develops a person’s mental abilities, but does not make him a genius in all areas of life.

[Makarov]

And when was that level of mind measured by respect? As history shows, it’s mostly the other way around ....
Chess is not art ... this is a game. A game that as soon as the computer learns to calculate all the combinations will die ... it happens. I myself spent on it about 15 years of my life ... though without fanaticism)
Actually, "My system" ... and if you study it and not read it, then all the philosophical pathos disappears and the purest water of combinatorics opens)

[himRa]

Quote: Makarov

And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...

If you are simplifying, then let's simplify ...
The development in our body is when more oxygen and nutrition comes to the cells as a result of blood flow, increased blood flow .... and this is achieved by any intellectual stress ... including chess, this is already a proven fact! Doctors ...

[Makarov]

And let's .... simplify so simplify ....

You can go to the sports field and drive into football ... and blood will cling to the cells as well and enrich them in the same way ... only this will affect mental abilities just like ... and the game of chess)

PS Drop the link to the proven "fact" ... in medicine ...

[Grim Reaper]

When a novice player is offered to figure out why not the canonical move in the opening leads to defeat. It perfectly develops thinking. Not in vain in chess, the analysis of one's games is one of the conditions for mastery.
There is nothing wrong with teaching chess at school if it is done at the level of studying the rules of the game, the history of chess. Biographies of outstanding chess players. Well, maybe an analysis of the simplest openings and endgames that even a first-grader will easily understand. This is extremely good for development. But then only voluntarily. Mugs are optional.

[win]

Three commandos were sent to the division commander to perform a particularly important mission. Two huge cabinets and one small, modest ...
Submitted by:
- Ivanov! Master of sports in boxing, CCM in kettlebell lifting!
- Petrov! Master of Sports in Sambo, KMS in kickboxing!
- Sidorov! Master of sports in chess ... I command these two dolbo..bami!

[voyaka uh]

"the ability to think extraordinary and broadly" ///

Here you can argue. Just in chess there is no latitude. Very strict rules. No wonder the computer began to beat champions with such levity 15 years ago.
There is something alive in Fisher’s “random” chess. But in ordinary ... the game is dead.
Memory develops, of course. And visual memory.

[NEXUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here you can argue. Just in chess there is no latitude.

Dear, you yourself understood what you wrote? How many pieces on the board? 32!, And how many cells on the board? 64! And now the question is, how many developments can be under such conditions? What are the standard situations? Latitudes you do not see?

Quote: voyaka uh

No wonder the computer began to beat champions with such levity 15 years ago.

To make it clear to you, the computer beat only when a person played according to the canons, without deviating from theories and standard well-known situations. As soon as a person started playing by turning on his intuition, extraordinary thinking and imagination, the computer fell in pieces.

[Shahno]

Nexus, humble the champion did not beat the supercomputer.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Shahno

Nexus, humble the champion did not beat the supercomputer.

Bad you know the history of games with the computer ..
The points..

Deep Blue - a chess supercomputer developed by IBM, which on May 11, 1997 won a match of 6 games against the world chess champion Garry Kasparov.

In 1995 year Fritz 3 won the Hong Kong Computer Chess Championship in Hong Kong, unexpectedly defeating the well-known version of the prototype computer Deep Blue.

In 2002, Deep Fritz tied 4-4 in a match in Bahrain against world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik.

In November 2003, Fritz X3D, a version of Deep Fritz with a three-dimensional interface, played a draw in four games against Garry Kasparov.

June 23, 2005, at ABC Times Square Studios, Artificial Intelligence Accoona dashboard, driven by the Fritz 9 prototype, played a draw with the then FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasymdzhanov.

Enough for you? Maybe you need to put up?

[Shahno]

- On May 11 on 1997, the Deep Blue computer in the match of the 6 games defeated the world chess champion Garry Kasparov: he defeated the computer twice, once the man and three games were played in a draw.

[himRa]

Unambiguously say the computer wins the person will not be true!
AI (artificial intelligence) will not .....
current computers are binary calculators ... YES, NO
and how the human brain works is not known so far ..

[Alexey RA]

Correctly. In elementary school, chess. And on preparatory courses in institutes - preference, bridge and poker.

[Muvka]

In my opinion, you said stupidity. Chess is an intellectual game that develops brains. And what you listed is entertainment for not very smart people.

[CentDo]

You are wrong, preference develops the brain no worse. And don't you find it strange to teach chess in first grade? Children still do not know how to write and read, and they are taught chess. That class from the 5th would be nice.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

You are wrong, preference develops the brain no worse.

I’ll give you an example from my life so that you understand ... my coach, even when I was 9 years old, put a position on the board and not one on the board ... gave 3 minutes. After all this was removed, and after two weeks, a month, two months came up, and forced me to recreate everything I showed from memory. And there were not one or two such positions, but about a dozen.
He also practiced the game of blind ... who does not know, I will explain. A player plays with another player, or with players, without looking at the board and not seeing the pieces. Try it and then talk for memory ...

Quote: CentDo

Children still do not know how to write and read, and they are taught chess

I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.

the famous H.R. Capablanca played at about the same age. what I learned to play on my own. I read a long time ago in Kotov’s book “White Snow of Russia”, it seems so. about Alyokhin

[NEXUS]

Quote: LSA57

the famous H.R. Capablanca played at about the same age. what I learned to play on my own. I read a long time ago in Kotov’s book “White Snow of Russia”, it seems so. about Alyokhin

Alekhine was the first since the Second World War with the best Reich players on 36 boards to play blind ... if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, the score was mine (I don’t want to go into the wiki) 30 wins and 6 draws. But this record was regularly beaten after ...
Oops ... not 36, but 32 ... I'm sorry ...

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

Alekhine was the first since the Second World War with the best players of the Reich on 36 boards playing blind ...

it was in Paris. the last surrendered general. retinue correctly prompted Alekhine came up and asked why he gave up. the general explained that it makes no sense to play because after a couple of three moves he loses the queen. Alekhine unfolded the board and offered to continue. after a couple of moves it turned out that the queen should not be taken. after a few moves the general surrendered again. Alekhine unfolded the board again. in short, played up to 2 kings on the board So this session is described in the book. after the war, for this session Alekhine was deprived of the title of World Champion. recognized him as Champion M. Botvinnik. he challenged him to a duel for the title. in preparation Alekhine died

[CentDo]

Congratulations. Now everyone should be guided by you? Or can memory be developed exclusively by chess? What if replacing the pieces on the board with multi-colored cubes does something fundamentally change? You will not be able to remember their location?

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

Congratulations. Now everyone should be guided by you?

No, why? There are much better examples ... for example, Tal, Nimtsovich, Botvinnik ...

Quote: CentDo

Or can memory be developed exclusively by chess?

Chess is not only developing memory, dear. Thinking, intuition, logic, analytics, etc. ... memory is just one of the bonuses of playing chess.

Quote: CentDo

You will not be able to remember their location?

Visual memory is like remembering ... numbers, figures or cubes ...

[CentDo]

But apart from chess, the skills you mentioned cannot be developed? I already wrote below that for this there was a lesson in logic, on which they taught all this. And they did not stupidly rest against one single game, but tried to give different examples and tasks.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

But apart from chess, the skills you mentioned cannot be developed? I already wrote below that for this there was a lesson in logic, on which they taught all this. And they did not stupidly rest against one single game, but tried to give different examples and tasks.

What is this game bothering you with? In the game form, children are trained to think, make decisions, improvise, replay the opponent and thereby grow ... and the lessons of logic, etc. ... well, I can’t say what is against them. I repeat, there are more than 2000 chess years, and you can give a lot of examples of famous people who played this game and very professionally. Macedonian, Peter the Great, and so on ... earlier, for military leaders, in ancient times it was a compulsory discipline of training.

[CentDo]

So I am not against chess. I am opposed to being introduced as a compulsory lesson in elementary school.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

So I am not against chess. I am opposed to being introduced as a compulsory lesson in elementary school.

So don’t take your child to these classes ... who forbids you from doing this? You’ve got a storm in a glass of water.

[CentDo]

How? The article clearly states that this will be a MANDATORY lesson.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

How? The article clearly states that this will be a MANDATORY lesson.

It will be as obligatory as it is with singing or singing ... why don’t you say anything about these lessons? Once a week to play chess .... disaster, guard, kill a child!

[bk316]

Visual memory is like remembering ... numbers, figures or cubes ...

If they are scattered on the floor, yes. If occupied appeared as a result of various algorithms, then NO.

[win]

I remember sketchy how 30 years ago I arranged my sons for 5 years in a chess club.
The teacher was now famous teacher Goncharov Viktor Ivanovich.
Through the ajar door, we parents peered at the training of our children.
Struck by the teaching method, in a fabulous form, he explained the basics of chess, tactics ...
But these are single teachers, that's why they became famous.
But what can a normal school teacher give a child?
Teachers themselves need to learn the technique.
Again, an additional burden on teachers.
My wife is a primary school teacher and she is for, but she plays very, very weakly
and I (and children too) cannot teach her in any way, although she is a distinguished teacher.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Siegen

My wife is a primary school teacher and she is for, but she plays very, very weakly
and I (and children too) cannot teach her in any way, although she is a distinguished teacher.

Let her read the Soviet-era chess game tutorials. I think this will help the case. Or find Nimtsovich’s book “My System” ... she can still be called “My Game” ... there the training goes from scratch.

[win]

I have this book ...
She does not have logical thinking, only figurative.
I don’t understand anything in her teaching methodology,
and it’s in my logic - not boom-boom (a joke about a programmer,
who went to the store - exactly about me).

[NEXUS]

Quote: Siegen

I have this book ...
She does not have logical thinking, only figurative.

Everything is explained there very easily, as they say "on the fingers." In any case, she will get the basics of playing chess. And for the kids to learn this is enough. After all, she is not going to become the second Gabrindashvili or Cheburdanidze.

[win]

Now she is retired, a lot of time.
I'll try to distract her from the series and together we will learn.
Especially in old age dementia will loom. Already the memory is suffering.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Siegen

Now she is retired, a lot of time.
I'll try to distract her from the series and together we will learn.
Especially in old age dementia will loom. Already the memory is suffering.

Take care ... very well trains memory and strengthens nerves. Good thing ...

[win]

Thanks for the recommendations and suggestions!

[iouris]

Quote: NEXUS

I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.

But I have not learned. And - nothing, I live.

[bk316]

A couple of billions and can not read, and nothing - live.

[alstr]

We add that the Bridge, for example, develops linguistic abilities (you need to tell about the alignment with your bets), and any serious card game trains memory.
And if we talk about thousands, then there is also a good oral training to evaluate bribes.

But what about card games, that chess still requires special training. And first of all, the knowledge of the theoretical part from the teacher.
Therefore, it is better to make it a circle.

Threat besides, now necessarily something developing still stands in the primary school curriculum.

[LSA57]

Quote: CentDo

Children still can’t write and read,

but on a computer in toys you will be given a head start

[CentDo]

So what? Are computer games now an indicator of intellectual development?

[bk316]

So what? Are computer games now an indicator of intellectual development?

And what is an indicator of reading ability or the number of pages read?

[CentDo]

Yes it is. If you think otherwise, you can teach your child computer games, and not reading and reading and writing.

[bk316]

Yes it is.

Well, how do you assess the intellectual development of a person who has read 1005000 pages of SpeedInfo magazine compared to Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov who has read only 1000000 pages?

The intellectual development of a young person is determined by the ability to various types of thinking and the ability to analyze the ability to draw independent conclusions and generalizations. How all these skills are learned is not important.
And my son graduated from one of the leading technical universities of the country a long time ago and is now a high-class and sought-after specialist, which did not hinder his interest in computer games, and in my opinion even helped.

[_Jack_]

It’s immediately obvious that you don’t know how to play these games. They develop memory perfectly, require quick calculation in the mind and assess probabilities, train self-discipline.

[siberalt]

Chess is an eastern game, and western is a card. Also quite intelligent.

[NEXUS]

Quote: siberalt

Chess is an oriental game,

Until now, it’s not known where chess came from. There are versions - India, China and even Ancient Greece, if my sclerosis does not fail me ...

[siberalt]

Hi Andrew!
The school is littered with a substitution of concepts and, instead of fundamental knowledge, is replaced with "toys." Mathematics and that - science applied to the fundamental ones: physics, chemistry, biology, etc. Thank you, even though astronomy was returned. But after all, we once studied elementary logic and rhetoric at school. And almost all the boys played chess and checkers. A game, it is a game, until they start hammering it into the head or forcing compulsory assimilation. Then wait for the opposite effect. Persons who do not have special education in pedagogy, child psychology and do not know the methodology of teaching individual school subjects should not be allowed into the school. Any teacher on the fingers will explain this to you.

[himRa]

Get back!
I understand your concerns but ...
Talking about tightly centralized education on a scale of all of Russia at the moment is not necessary (USSR)
Each municipality has the opportunity to correct the curriculum ..
The division into fundamental and applied is not correct, (PMSM)
Basic science is the first period of accumulating knowledge that cannot be profitable.
Applied science is the second stage (accumulation of knowledge) which is already paying off and making a profit ..

Quote: siberalt

Persons who do not have special education in pedagogy, child psychology and do not know the methodology of teaching individual school subjects should not be allowed into the school.

Nobody argues with this ...
On Friday I go up the stairs to meet a neighbor's boy, standing ... I ask, why are you standing, tired, a heavy briefcase ....
The problem is the current development of society, civilization ...
which requires already much more knowledge ... it is difficult for children !!!!
And chess is an ancient game that does not endure fuss ... maybe you need to somehow limit that flow, that avalanche of information that falls upon our ... grandchildren?

[bk316]

And what you listed is entertainment for not very smart people.

Yeah, play poker, only then don’t say that you are smart, so always lose.
Seriously, in order to play poker normally, it’s tedious to have a very good memory and AWESOME GOOD ORAL ACCOUNT.

[LSA57]

Quote: bk316

Seriously, in order to play poker normally, it’s tedious to have a very good memory and AWESOME GOOD ORAL ACCOUNT.

good observation and understanding of psychology. everyone has heard about bluffing

[bk316]

good observation and understanding of psychology. everyone heard about bluff laughing

What you write about (knowledge and psychology skills) is for professionals (these skills are also needed in chess), and to begin with, count, count and count (probabilities).

[NEXUS]

Quote: bk316

What you write about (knowledge and psychology skills) is for professionals (these skills are also needed in chess), and to begin with, count, count and count (probabilities).

As well as in chess, counting a dozen combinations 25 moves ahead ... and as for poker .. well, the game is good, only unlike chess-HAZARD. And why produce gamers who can subsequently drag things and money from home?
Chess is one of many games where you cannot be fooled, as in cards.

[siberalt]

The whole point of a game of chess is to deceive the enemy with an unexpected move. For this, there are "homework" What are you talking about? Or is Hashmat not a game?

[NEXUS]

Quote: siberalt

The whole point of a game of chess is to deceive the enemy with an unexpected move. For this, there are "homework" What are you talking about? Or is Hashmat not a game?

The erroneous opinion is fundamentally. There is no deception from the word at all. Replaying the enemy and cheating are different concepts. Both players see the board with the pieces. And homework does not affect the results so much, believe me as a professional player.

[bk316]

Well, you understand that chess also plays for money.
The excitement in poker is a hindrance, all professional players, very balanced people.

[himRa]

Quote: bk316

Well, you understand that chess also plays for money.
The excitement in poker is a hindrance, all professional players, very balanced people.

We are talking about basic concepts ...
Initially, chess as a game is not provided for a game for ,, money ,,
And poker is provided ...
How old is poker? What about chess?
The article talks about the introduction of chess in the education system - read the battle of beginner intellects !!!!

[Makarov]

And then I’ll ask you: how do chess develop brains?

[himRa]

Quote: Makarov

And then I’ll ask you: how do chess develop brains?

It's simple:
The number of brain cells is given to us at birth and it only decreases over time !!!
But, the development of the brain is called the number of connections between cells that can be expanded through classes and learning with something and the more difficult the lesson, the more complex and numerous the connections ....
There is still such an effect ... the creation of connections is accompanied by an increase in blood flow, which in turn has a beneficial effect on cells and their “longevity” and functioning as they receive more oxygen and nutrition ...
Learning and playing chess is a difficult task, speaking in the military, requiring knowledge of tactics and strategy ... something like this and by the way a very interesting fact !!! intellectual work allows you to preserve the properties of men longer than physical

[bk316]

Absolutely right.
And on the first point and on the second and third.
Briefly and clearly.

[Makarov]

I absolutely agree on everything except “requiring knowledge of tactics and strategy ...” Limited options for combinations and three options for the result are pure combinatorics. No tactics or strategies (other than purely preparatory to big tournaments
championships) there is no speech in this game ... This is a game of knowledge started .... Complications include painting or writing poetry ... something that no one has done before you ... memory is fine, but brains develop slightly different things ...

[himRa]

Quote: Makarov

Limited combination options and three outcome options are pure combinatorics

There is one good legend .... and on its basis a mathematical task

The problem of grains on a chessboard is a mathematical problem that calculates how many grains there will be on a chessboard if you put twice as many grains on each next cell of the board than on the previous one, starting with one. what is 18.

When I commented on you, I already knew what you would say ....
If this game is combinatorics then the computer must win always but this is not so - the computer also loses
The logic is wrong! Following it all mathematics, physics and programming is combinatorics ....
There are many animals that draw, and by the way, the computer also knows how to draw and add up poems.

[Makarov]

Physics - (to a certain extent) is mathematics. Programming is math. Combinatorics is a branch of mathematics. I’ll give you an excerpt from Wikipedia so that you don’t have more questions: With the growth of computer memory capacity, endgames of increased complexity will be solved sooner or later.

A computer that uses the endgame database will, upon reaching a position in them, be able to play flawlessly and without delay determine whether a position is winning, losing or drawn, and also find the fastest and longest way to achieve a result. Knowing the exact position estimate is also useful when increasing the strength of the computer, as this will allow the program to choose ways to achieve the goal depending on the situation [that is, simplifying and exchanging to get a clearly researched position].

All 5-shaped endings occupy 7,03 GB.
All 6-figure endings occupy 1,205 TB.
All 7-figure endings occupy 140 TB.
All 8-figure endings will occupy approximately 10 PB.

That is, the limit of the game is mathematically calculated. It is the matter of time.

Regarding animals - with the exception of dolphins and dog daubs, something similar to drawing is shown by a couple of species of higher primates, and even then ... this is a huge stretch ... there it does not even reach the level of rock art .... and the computer does not draw he knows how to write poetry ... to "add" an arbitrary picture or pictures from already existing elements, markup for a verse - yes ... (again, this is pure mathematics) .... from elements based on the so-called. neural networks ... but this is not creativity, this is not drawing, this is enumeration of combinations according to the given parameters ... A computer cannot create a new one ... it is able to process the old one ... well, they learned to learn a subject ... cool ... only they have managed to do this for a long time since then only quality is growing ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Makarov

Difficult exercises include painting pictures or composing poems ... something that no one has done before you ... memory is fine, but a few other things develop brains ...

Remember the imperial times ... the study of several languages, the writing of verses, the laws of God, and so on ... and worthy educated people came out. In this case, the same dead Latin, most did not need in principle.

[Makarov]

Here are the languages ​​- the brain is being developed, who is arguing ... a useful lesson, especially poetry. The laws of God were needed for something completely different. The power of the emperor was based on the principles of legitimacy, like any other power. An emperor in an atheist country cannot be defined, since the emperor’s legitimacy is received from God. If people do not believe in God, then conditional legitimacy ... conditional legitimacy is conditional power.

[siberalt]

If you have no brains, you will never learn to play chess, as well as cards. Here I agree with you. But a football player can turn out good.

[nemec55]

Correctly. In elementary school, chess. And on preparatory courses in institutes - preference, bridge and poker. smile

Until it comes to chess, they will each take the course of a young fighter on a computer with crazy games like Kotrstraik

[bk316]

with crazy games like Kotrstrike

Directly "Kotr"?

[Makarov]

I generally read Kotostriyk and was horrified))

[Engineer]

We had physical education classes in chess. Even the competitions were held between schools, where in the 9th grade I managed to take third place in the standings of individuals)

[Karen]

We introduced it for the first time. Helps

[Makarov]

What helps? or what?

[CentDo]

And what the hell is a seven-year-old child needing? It would be better if another hour of the Russian language or literature was introduced. Or a lesson in logic, for example. Chess is a great game, but not for that age.

[St Petrov]

at 7 years old, children already beat the code and chess goes with a bang.

children generally quickly grasp.

[CentDo]

All children? Girls too?

[St Petrov]

about little girls it turned out more difficult than with boys, but

Isabelle Sie - a programmer who wants to change the world

“It's like language. The sooner you start to learn it, the more fluent you become over time, ”says 13-year-old girl Isabelle Cie from the Philippines about programming. She started coding at 10. The teacher noticed her progress in mathematics and offered to study programming. With the help of Code Academy online courses, Isabelle has mastered HTML and javascript. Then her mother hired a tutor so that the girl could deepen her knowledge.

Isabelle believes that it’s much easier to learn programming languages ​​together, therefore launched the project “Girls Will Code”. She is constantly developing, provides courses for children and ensures that schools have additional classes for an in-depth study of programming.

Tanmai Bakshi began coding at 5 years old. He watched his father, a programmer, and wanted to learn how to create the same “magic”. Already at 9 he developed several complex applications.

Now Tanmay is 13, and for several years he has been working at IBM, making applications on the Watson artificial intelligence platform. A boy from Ontario often takes part in thematic conferences, speaking to thousands of developers around the world. He also runs his YouTube channel, where he teaches programming. The channel is quite popular - the number of subscribers has exceeded 1300 and is growing rapidly.

Vasik Farhan-Rupkota was officially recognized as the youngest IT expert on the planet. According to his mother, in 3 he started working in Microsoft Word, in 4 - he used emulators like Project64 1.7, Dolphin and VisualBoyAdvance. At the same age, he began to study C and C ++. At the age of 6, he started editing Wikipedia and even created an article on the version of Windows. He worked for the SCP Foundation and Globulation 2. In 2014, he developed 17 games on the ROBLOX platform.

The genius of a boy from Bangladesh lies in the fact that he did not study anywhere. He mastered all programming languages ​​on his own. Today, 11-year-old Vasik knows very well the languages ​​C, C #, Java, Visual basic, PHP, Python, Lua. He officially works as a game developer at Singapore-based BlueScheme Ltd. In addition, the boy is interested in space technology, archeology and, in principle, new developments.

and we have all sorts of Sirius right now - that's where the kids will give odds to any office

And while studying at MIREA I saw different girls true they were older

and since childhood I have loved to play chess. So I think a good topic

[CentDo]

I repeat: does this apply to all children? Or will the education program now focus on geeks? What about the rest of the children? To envy? So the inferiority complex is not far.

[St Petrov]

Do you think there will be children who cannot learn how to play chess? Do not make me laugh.

[CentDo]

What for? Will it help them much in life? Just don’t talk about intellectual development, etc. In my time for this, the lesson of logic was where we were really taught to think, reason, calculate options, etc. We went to chess after lessons, as an elective. Why the hell should the child's intellectual development be tied to one single game that he might not like? And then what? Force to play?

[alstr]

And music develops an intellectual level and even motor skills with hearing. So let the children play the instruments.

This is nonsense. I agree that such things should be at the request of the child.

[alexmach]

at 7 years old, children already beat the code

And do not beat the dishes?
Do not need this insanity.
Firstly, the school has a curriculum and a load that needs to be kept up. This is especially difficult for first-graders, since they are just starting to study at school and must undergo psychological adaptation to study, estimates, the need to work 4 academic hours each day. In addition, kids have something to learn - to develop handwriting, learn letters, learn to read and write - these are not simple activities.
Next - your girl child prodigy from your own article began to study at 10 years old. At 10 and not at 7 damn, and by 13 mastered the most primitive and accessible to everyone discipline. It is easier than chess.

He himself was probably engaged in chess somewhere from the second or third class, but not from the first. He started with fairy tales about chess pieces.

[bk316]

at 7 years old, children already beat the wassat code and chess went off with a bang.

Yes. Well, if it's hard, you can start with checkers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

Chess is a great game, but not for that age.

Seriously? At 9 years old, I already had my first adult rank in chess.

[CentDo]

Lord, be proud of yourself as much as you like, look do not burst. But what the hell should all the children now follow in your footsteps? I didn’t have a category in chess, so what? This did not stop me from getting a higher education and providing a decent family.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

But what the hell should all the children now follow in your footsteps?

And then what about my feet? I was engaged in chess professionally, and even on this I earned money in my youth ... and here it is said that ..

This is a very simple program, from 1 to 4 class - once a week. And there is no need for additional competencies for the teacher. The program is structured in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodical recommendation, teach a child to play chess himself.

That is, to give the child the basics ... and then he will decide whether he needs it or not.

[CentDo]

And if the child decides that he is not interested? Well, absolutely nothing, I don’t like it and that’s it. What to do then? These are not additional classes that can be easily abandoned.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

And if the child decides that he is not interested? Well, just like that, I don’t like it and that’s it. What to do then?

And what do they do when a child doesn’t have a voice for a singing lesson or artistic skills for art? Apparently they’ll be executed as in Sparta, right?

[CentDo]

And at singing lessons, does a child compete with someone openly? It's one thing to get a trivial two or three singing (although I don’t remember something like that), and it’s quite another to lose to classmates. Lost one, two, three, then he will go to this lesson as hard labor. Why is this needed?

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

and completely different to lose to classmates. Lost one, two, three, then he will go to this lesson as hard labor. Why is this needed?

Then let's cancel physical education. There, too, there is a competitive element. You are to God, you are carrying such nonsense.

[CentDo]

Physical education at school is necessary, there is no substitute for it and will not be. And there are many disciplines. In one he lost, in the other he won. Someone runs faster, someone pulls up more, as a rule, there is no unique outsider.

[NEXUS]

Quote: CentDo

Physical education at school is necessary, there is no substitute for it and will not be. And there are many disciplines. In one he lost, in the other he won. Someone runs faster, someone pulls up more, as a rule, there is no unique outsider.

The competitive moment and some healthy excitement have never done anything wrong. And your fears that the child will lose and thereby score on this subject ... well, in any class there are doubles, triplets or excellent students. I repeat, the Chess lesson does not determine the future fate of the child, but only helps him in some moments to become more disciplined, thoughtful, able to think logically analytically ... is this bad?

[CentDo]

The guy was in elementary school with me, he read very poorly (almost on a line per minute). So for him, every reading lesson was torture. But the ability to read a person is necessary in life, so he was forced to read through power. Is it worth it to do with children who will not like chess?
In my opinion, this game is good to know when you already have a basic understanding of logic, the ability to plan. As I wrote in my first comment, this subject would have been a perfect fit for the class from the fifth. I myself remember that the chess boom happened in us at the age of 10-11, almost all went to classes.

[bk316]

This did not stop me from getting a higher education and providing a decent family.

and it didn’t cross your mind that this could HELP get higher education?

[CentDo]

Chess rank? That is, not the ability to play chess, but namely the presence of rank? No, the presence of a rank in chess could not help me get a higher education.

[bk316]

is there a discharge?

Not the presence of the first rank, but the ability to memorize from the first reading several pages of text developed as a result of training to obtain this category.

[CentDo]

No, the ability you described would not help. The read text should not be memorized, but its essence should be understood. Anyone can remember a passage of text (after an appropriate training), but understand it ...

[bk316]

Or a lesson in logic, for example

Also not bad, but literature is superfluous.
With our teachers, literature is a way to keep a child from reading.

[LSA57]

Quote: CentDo

Or a lesson in logic, for example.

do you think logic is not needed in chess :?

[CentDo]

There is. So can you first teach a child logic, and only then impose chess?

[Blombir]

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

What's so strange about that? Normal topic. Chess, who understands, trains the brain. This is such a thing in the head ugly, it also needs to be trained, like everything else.

[Dedall]

Gentlemen, this is called populism. In a literal sense. The minister was ordered to do something so as not to change anything and the kids to continue to go stupid, so she turned out. In my opinion, chess can be introduced at school in the form of electives. For example, as well as teaching microcontroller programming or making figures and various crafts on a 3D printer. So to speak, everyone's personal business is how to go crazy. That's just the financing of all these matters should go through the school budget and be laid in it, and not put a burden on the shoulders of parents.

[bardadym]

As it turned out, in Rostov-on-Don and the surrounding area, this initiative has been working for six years. Reviews are purely positive, both from teachers and from parents.

[Knizhnik]

Good idea, really develops. If only it did not turn into formalism, especially since “even there, no additional competencies for the teacher are required”, it smells just like that. Children, they are such creatures that these things are sensed.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Knizhnik

A good idea

what good? !!!

how to give grades, for what, who will evaluate, how often will the lessons

[Knizhnik]

A whole fountain of questions, strange even for an amateur. There are ready-made teaching and assessment systems practiced in chess schools, you just need to implement them in general education. The frequency of lessons and the composition of teachers will be determined in accordance with the curriculum. And do not say that it turned out to be a revelation for you.

[Livonetc]

The idea is very sound.
Today, children stop thinking, they introduce a pattern of variations.
And there’s nothing to talk about decision making.
Here you will need to think and make decisions.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Livonetc

The idea is very sound.

Yes, there is nothing healthy in it
return the SOVIET EDUCATION system, not reinvent the wheel

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

we have nothing to do with bureaucrats at all, maybe it’s better to return astronomy and drawing to NW? !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

we have nothing to do with bureaucrats at all, maybe it’s better to return astronomy and drawing to NW? !!!

Why not? In imperial times, for example, knowledge of 6-10 languages ​​at a good level was the norm. Lomonosov studied astronomy and what? The same drawing ... without drawing skills, the same Kalashnikov would not have created his famous machine gun.

[Knizhnik]

From this year, astronomy actually returned, in the framework of physics

[Engineer engineer]

Maybe geography, huh? Or will the cab drive?

[Roman 11]

Forcing? Can every school organize a chess club for amateurs? Who likes - please. Even with social centers, employment centers and public clubs, you can organize classrooms and classes of chess, drafts, dominoes. Let anyone who visits in their free time, not just kids

[Gardamir]

It’s funny, commentators through one chess player, and evaluate the current reality, only at the prompts of the TV.
I propose introducing unified chess - four variations for each pawn.

[himRa]

Quote: Gardamir

I propose introducing unified chess - four variations for each pawn.

And here they were wrong! There are no 4 options for a pawn!

[Gardamir]

4 options!

In the time of the exam everything is possible)

[himRa]

Quote: Gardamir

4 options!

In the time of the exam everything is possible)

1-yes
2-No
I don’t know
4-I have information on this issue but it is confidential!

[Karen]

Quote: CentDo

All children? Girls too?

How quickly the good past and the very recent Soviet one are forgotten ... Even in the Union they demanded that the classes be separated: girls, due to their earlier development, master the material much easier and thus the boys feel that they are backward in elementary grades.

[Vitas]

In Armenia or in Azerbaijan, alas, I don’t remember, they introduced it as an object. In my opinion this is great!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Vitas

In Armenia or in Azerbaijan, alas, I don’t remember, they introduced it as an object. In my opinion this is great!

Like in Kalmykia and for a long time ..! K. Ilyumzhanov head of the federation of Russian chess players ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

K. Ilyumzhanov head of the federation of Russian chess players ..

An international grandmaster, moreover of a Soviet format. And this is a very strong school, not a couple of western ones.

[garnik]

Since 2011, for the first time in Armenia, compulsory chess lessons have been introduced in schools. There is a reason for this, almost everyone from small to great knows how to play chess. There it is not necessary to force the children to play the game imposed on them, they are glad about it. In any case, it’s good, the main thing is that children love chess.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: garnik

In any case, it’s good, the main thing is that children love chess.

Well, this ancient game of reason and logic will certainly not harm children!

[Knizhnik]

I heard in Armenia there, we definitely do not. True, children's chess schools are quite popular, with the children of those who go there, the bowler noticeably cooks better. If we would like to introduce such an object, then with both hands are in favor.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Knizhnik

in children from those who go there, the pot noticeably cooks better.

I have a niece - a city champion in chess. So she has no brains. at all.

[Knizhnik]

God bless her. A counter example is exactly the same, my chess niece is just smart. Have you tried to better understand it? Clever children are often characterized by strangeness, which is often mistaken for stupidity. Children with congenital abilities of mental concentration (especially if the child is an “introvert”) are often characterized by a slowed-down “reason”, difficulty with switching attention, and ingenuity. With this, you just need to work, adjust, the best way is to give it to the sport, to tighten up the reaction speed.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Knizhnik

Have you tried to better understand it?

Is it like when she beat Mitsubishi's daddies in 14 years? It's hard to understand something.

[Knizhnik]

I do not see any connection. You can be stupid and obedient, or a coward, and not dare to drive a car. Smart are not mistaken, or something. Looks like the problem here is not in the children ...

[John Doe]

Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: John Doe

Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

I understood your hint "my American friend" ... Orthodoxy has always been the core of Russian statehood (even during the Soviet era) And both external and internal enemies have always dreamed of sawing it ... Gentlemen!

[John Doe]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: John Doe

Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

I understood your hint "my American friend" ... Orthodoxy has always been the core of Russian statehood (even during the Soviet era) And both external and internal enemies have always dreamed of sawing it ... Gentlemen!

I am not your friend. And I hung this flag to catch the "odd chromosomal", because they react to such a flag with terrible fury)

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: John Doe

I am not your friend. And I hung this flag to catch the "odd chromosomal", because they react to such a flag with terrible fury)

No, you are a "friend"! I love to study such .. You, as I understand it on the "chromosomes" work ..?
And here I am at the genetic level, a lover of communication ..
Well, they fled again!

[APASUS]

Quote: John Doe

Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

The lessons of Western tolerance, the development of love for perverts, are of course better than Orthodox ethics?

[Karen]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Livonetc

The idea is very sound.

Yes, there is nothing healthy in it
return the SOVIET EDUCATION system, not reinvent the wheel

He wrote already ... 10-15 years ago, in the USA, the budget allocated 15 billion. bucks so that school programs of different states lead to the Soviet school.

[DEPARTMENT]

I am for chess with both hands .. Especially in the elementary grades, they absorb everything like sponges at this age!
My younger in my mind multiplication produces three-digit and four-digit numbers, I don’t even have time to type on the calculator, and this nimble one already gives the answer ... (I'm deep in thought ..))))

[APASUS]

I'm all for it ! One of the few games that allows you to develop the brain, and in modern youth only one finger is developed, knock on the clave, and all games are just a continuation of instincts.

[win]

Two gangsters are talking
-Yesterday went to a showdown with blacks
-So how is it?
-You know the chess term “White starts and wins”
-I know
- So this only happens in chess!

[bk316]

In principle, of course I am for.
Well, this is definitely better than memorizing verses, although memorization will not hurt reasonably.
The whole question is how to teach this.
If you just learn the rules - this is profanity.
If you start to learn for real, then GUARANTEE not all teachers will cope with this.
Although I am sure almost everything can develop to the 3rd category, then you need to work further than the second; this is a sport.
CCM (era of the USSR) creates for me the incomprehensible.
In general, I advise everyone to do chess at an old age, an awesome prevention of senile mental disorders.

[win]

A physical education teacher cannot beat a labor teacher in chess,
because he secretly made himself two additional queens.

[NEXUS]

Quote: bk316

CCM (era of the USSR) creates for me the incomprehensible.

The CCMs of the times of the USSR were not inferior in rating to the international grandmasters in terms of international ratings (not all of course).
I’ll tell a story from my life ... it was in Odessa, where we rested as a team. Our coach, a Jew (and you understand that there are no stupid Jews), had a friendship with one Odessa citizen who was a master of sports in quick chess (5 or three minutes are given to each player) ... so this shot went through cafes and parks , of which there were many at the time where they played chess for money. So he earned by beating strong players in fast chess. I will repeat, only worthy and strong. He did not sit down with amateurs. And so the Moscow grandmaster arrived in Odessa, and wandered into one such cafe in the evening. He played imposingly and condescendingly, at a rate of “for a ruble” per game ... our acquaintance, after standing an hour by his side, asked me to play. He sat down and lost the first two games on the ruble shamelessly)) But after he began to “tear” him as a young man ... accordingly, and the bid for victory grew. First, three rubles each, then five rubles each, and soon in the red dime. As a result, he outplayed the famous grandmaster under the nut and took 365 rubles from there (as I remember this amount now). And then it was very decent money, who remembers.

[himRa]

Quote: NEXUS

As a result, he outplayed the famous grandmaster under the nut and took 365 rubles from there (as I remember this amount now). And then it was very decent money, who remembers.

You could buy a motorcycle ,, sunrise ,,
And on ,, chervonets ,, (10p) to sit in ,, tavern ,,
Here's a quick chess is of course something !!!! He was also afraid of such players, namely time pressure ..
Actually, none of the members of the forum noted one property of chess that is very useful for children - concentration of attention, the need to concentrate and the ability to weaken concentration ...

[bk316]

Well, what about poker and excitement? Blitz is such a gambling piece of adrenaline from your ears.

[Zubr]

Absurd stupidity! Remember, we had mugs at school, chess, radio, sports, a wagon and a small cart, etc. and professionals taught them to us. Everyone chose what they wanted and who has a predisposition. It would be better to return the methods of Soviet education of the 80-s, with adjustments according to the new time, but by order of the ministry, otherwise they will come up with a recommendatory character. And this is just an add-on of useless hours to any gouging "who wants" .... THIS IS ANOTHER PROFANATION! And eating up budget funds!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Zubr

Remember, we had mugs at school, chess, radio, sports, a wagon and a small cart, etc. and professionals taught them to us. Everyone chose what they wanted and who has a predisposition. It would be better to return the methods of Soviet education of the 80s

Yes, at the expense of circles you are right ... For every taste and how many talents revealed since childhood! In Space, we were the first to do just that .. There was a selection from the very bottom of talented boys! Although this was the case in all areas, the directors of the largest factories began with apprentices and went through all the steps .. And the Secretaries-General are the same! By the way, Putin also came to power from the bottom .. And God forbid the current daddy’s son majors will break into the Kremlin (and there are a lot of them divorced) ... Khan will be in Russia, or rather, TROUBLE AND BLOOD!

[Zubr]

And there were as many optional classes, History, Physics, Mathematics, Astronomy. I finished the 10 class, got the rights of the machine operator of the 3 class. From all classes, only four of us got class, the rest are rural. Inquiries received that they handed over on a driving license of "B, C" category. 18 turned went to the traffic police received a driver's license. A radio club, I generally gave a ticket to life.

[Radical]

The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...?

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Radikal

The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...?

Russia is looking for its best option, in the new realities of the rapid development of the latest technologies and information systems! And we also have a big brain drain ... They’re buying them from us, squeezing them like a lemon and throwing them out. Now it’s time for the special service to create counteractions and control the leak of technologies and promising young scientists! And protect them from the beginning ...

[Shahno]

Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate. Maybe people will not run to the side.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Shahno

Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate. Maybe people will not run to the side.

No Jews, first the Army and Navy! And then already .. There are many of you who divorced such a lot on the body of Russia! Science and technology require appropriate protection! It will now be difficult for us to deceive and promote Russia to us in turmoil and devastation. Better worry for yourself!

[Shahno]

We have the IDF and technology in the top five around the world. Lagging behind. Everything needs to be known.
And I worry about myself, my children are in Russia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Shahno

Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate.

you will be surprised but 90% of science is a derivative of military developments, even a man flew into space taking the place of a nuclear warhead

[Shahno]

I won’t be surprised. Military science. By the way, how are you. F 35 catch up? Or we will fight back with patriotic slogans.

[win]

African Americans are outraged that white always starts in chess.

Politically correct chess was invented in the USA.
They are not divided into black and white - all figures are gray

[Reserve buildbat]

Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: stock buildbat

Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.

The Internet introduces some adjustments in education .. And it’s good that Russia is looking for a middle ground .. And we will certainly find it and ours!

[Hurricane70]

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

Why is that strange? What will children have brains move? Strange koment, yes! And also to revive NVP and LABOR !!!

[Hurricane70]

Quote: stock buildbat

Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.

A chicken by the grain ...- do not forget !!! Not all at once, a bunch of liberoids in education, it takes time to catch them and send them to places not so remote ...

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Radikal

The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...?

Chess is not a mockery. Mockery is history and literature from Soros!

[evil partisan]

As a former Chess CCM I can professionally declare:
1. Chess perfectly develops memory, which is not harmful for children.
2. Chess develops horizons, for the history of chess competitions and biographies of famous chess players are simply replete with interesting and exciting information
3. And most importantly: chess is taught to find optimal solutions in a very limited time, which is also very useful for young brains.
It is only necessary not to allow chess to devour itself entirely. And there are not one or two such examples in my memory ...
Although ... If the teaching of chess in schools will be treated in the same way as, for example, to history, then the last generation is clearly not threatened ...

[Grim Reaper]

Quote: Blombir

Quote: rpek32

this is strange.

What's so strange about that? Normal topic. Chess, who understands, trains the brain. This is such a thing in the head ugly, it also needs to be trained, like everything else.

Now it’s fashionable to train the liver. Well, on the edge of the hand for precise coordination of the mouse. Alas...

[fa2998]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: NEXUS

I can only welcome this.

Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"

Do you know how many children died in the past year on fiscal culture? 211 children!
IF CHESS IS SPORT, let them play chess instead of fiscal culture. Sports are not harmful if the board is not hit on the head!

[evil partisan]

Quote: fa2998

IF CHESS IS SPORT, let them play chess

Yeah, sports. 3 times fought in chess tournaments ...

[armourer]

Rightly so, young people have forgotten how to think. Gadgets spoil people

[forsait]

Chess is good, but optional !!! After all, the clock will be taken from the Russian language, literature, history, mathematics, etc. This is the hidden destruction of education.

[Izotovp]

And why, tell me graciously, do you need this restriction in choosing a chess simulator? The same backgammon teaches not only direct logic, like chess, but, unlike chess, also with the addition of a random number!
They would just bring logic back to school.

[Baloo]

Quote: Izotovp

They would just bring logic back to school.

And rhetoric! The history of religions is needed no earlier than 8th grade, but religion should be separate from state education.

[himRa]

Quote: Balu

but religion should be separate from government education.

If it comes to reduction ... religion first of all ,, under the knife !!!! ,,
Very harmful this business is straight across Lenin -opium for the people ...

[Say]

Instead of physics and geography, chess and the foundations of Orthodox culture.
The minimodex climbs out of his skin to corrode with the red-hot iron the “heavy” legacy of the best Soviet education in the world.

[Radical]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: Radikal

The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...?

Russia is looking for its best option, in the new realities of the rapid development of the latest technologies and information systems! And we also have a big brain drain ... They’re buying them from us, squeezing them like a lemon and throwing them out. Now it’s time for the special service to create counteractions and control the leak of technologies and promising young scientists! And protect them from the beginning ...

26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years! No wonder the Germans spoke. that Soviet teachers defeated them in the war (maybe not literally, but the essence is just that). Soviet education was the best in the world! At what time did you yourself study, do you not consider yourself uneducated? Who do you want to hang "noodles" about "the best option !?

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Radikal

26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years!

I agree with you ... But in those days there was no Internet and media bought "by some comrades in the bud"! Now it’s 100 times more difficult to keep the defense in the hearts of our children and grandchildren! We stand to death, in front of the Tolerasts of all stripes ..

[himRa]

- could you love the radical?
- for what!!!!?
Vitaly, is he right !!!?

[Will]

Chess is great! Learn to think.

[rocket757]

In principle, out-of-school education / upbringing was very well developed in the union.
There were chess and applied circles ... there were sales in the house management.
At school? I don’t know ... the students are already loaded at the most - the most, and chess is, albeit for the mind, but also for the soul.

[Radical]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: Radikal

26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years!

I agree with you ... But in those days there was no Internet and media bought "by some comrades in the bud"! Now it’s 100 times more difficult to keep the defense in the hearts of our children and grandchildren! We stand to death, in front of the Tolerasts of all stripes ..

[himRa]

Not okay! You're right .... these are excuses!