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The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum

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The Ministry of Education and Science noted the initiative to change the program for primary school in Russia. The head of the ministry, Olga Vasilyeva, said that in the next couple of years, compulsory chess lessons would be introduced in the primary (1-4) classes of the secondary school.


Information Agency Interfax cites a statement by the Minister of Education and Science, who answered the question of Senator Oleg Tsepkin:
Yes, we plan to introduce in the next two years, maybe even next year.


It was the senator from the Chelyabinsk region who asked Olga Vasilyeva whether the Ministry of Education would introduce the lessons of “chess culture”.
Olga Vasilyeva:
This is a very simple program, from 1 to 4 class - once a week. And there is no need for additional competencies for the teacher. The program is structured in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodical recommendation, teach a child to play chess himself.


The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum


The introduction of chess in the school curriculum, in general, may be useful. However, the minister’s statements that “there are no additional competencies required there” are somewhat alarming. It turns out that additional competencies may be needed for teaching a child to mathematics, drawing, or a foreign language, but not for learning to play chess. With such logic, will not the learning process of a new program be reduced to a formality?
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  1. rpek32
    rpek32 10 October 2017 16: 07 New
    +3
    this is strange.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 10 October 2017 16: 09 New
      29
      The program is designed in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodological recommendation, teach a child how to play chess.
      - Cool! Both teachers and children will even learn to think with their heads! Chess brains put in order, and from gadgets - they get dull!
      1. Trevis
        Trevis 10 October 2017 16: 17 New
        +2
        And right before our eyes! All games yes games.
        gadgets are getting dumb!
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 10 October 2017 16: 24 New
          +7
          I do not believe that they will introduce it. Even in the USSR there were only chess clubs.
          And now, when everywhere instead of studying, preparations are underway for the exam. Cramming instead of knowledge.
          Maximum - in individual schools will introduce school chess olympiads. In extracurricular time.
          1. cniza
            cniza 10 October 2017 16: 45 New
            +4
            Well, we won’t guess at the daisy, but after a while we’ll see ...
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 10 October 2017 16: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              after a while we'll see ...

              Rather forget
              1. cniza
                cniza 10 October 2017 16: 50 New
                +1
                And it will depend on you, and on me, and on others ...
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 October 2017 23: 56 New
                  +2
                  I don’t understand why to introduce chess teaching into the school curriculum.
                  Who wants to learn how to play, he will learn. I learned how to play chess in elementary school and even performed in interscholastic chess competitions. She took prizes. I had this hobby - and it passed. It has nothing to do with life.
                  And I know how gatherings for hours playing chess distract children-players, in particular, from physical training, from household chores.
                  Children get tired of a mental strain, then they are reluctant to sit down for lessons.
                  It would be better if children were more engaged in physical education, dancing and singing, moving more.
                  Do we need ubiquitous chess players ?!
                  What is the next whim in the official program of public education? Girls need housekeeping mugs, cuts and sewing, knitting need! And then some married ladies in this regard are completely armless, and they don’t like to cook and do not know how.
        2. rpek32
          rpek32 10 October 2017 16: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Trevis
          And right before our eyes! All games yes games.

          расскажите это ребенку который играет в Kerbal Space Program (есть версия адаптированная для школ, к слову) или в Factorio.
      2. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 10 October 2017 16: 18 New
        +7
        Quote: rpek32
        this is strange.

        What is it ... Actually, chess, by itself, is not bad if they are not imposed.
        А вот то,что ведение этой дисциплины упорно лоббирует САМ Кирсан Илюмжинов,строитель Нью Васюков в калмыкии,вот это напрягает.
        1. Vend
          Vend 10 October 2017 16: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Quote: rpek32
          this is strange.

          What is it ... Actually, chess, by itself, is not bad if they are not imposed.
          so

          Yes, and put estimates. it won’t end in anything good. A good idea.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 11 October 2017 00: 12 New
            +3
            Vend
            a good idea.
            The idea is brainless! There is no practicality in it! It has nothing to do with public education, as such. But how much EXTRA money from the state budget for public education and labor costs from teachers and students it will require !!!
            Does the people need chess in their profession as a builder, machine operator, shipbuilder, etc.? or the cashier of a chess store will help customers serve ?!

            All this is very similar to the corrupt use of money from the state budget by officials from education with limited social responsibility!
            1. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2017 08: 30 New
              +2
              I am delighted with your statements! :
              Quote: Tatiana
              Idea brainless! There is no practicality in it! TO popular education

              There is no, popular, education as well as centralized when compared with the USSR !!!!
              Each municipal authority can make adjustments to the program ...
              there are children who don’t study at all ...
              Quote: Tatiana
              But how much EXTRA money from the state budget for public education and labor costs she will demand from teachers and students !!!

              Love denyushka count !?
              I am sure that you don’t shine, to distribute these same budget money ...
              Quote: Tatiana
              Does the people need chess in their profession as a builder, machine operator, shipbuilder, etc.? or the cashier of a chess store will help customers serve ?!

              Listen to yourself !!!!!you refuse children a dream !!
              And just calmly re-read the topic again ..
              .горячий отклик кстати!
            2. Vend
              Vend 11 October 2017 10: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Vend
              a good idea.
              The idea is brainless! There is no practicality in it!

              Brainless is not an idea here. laughing Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.
              1. himRa
                himRa 11 October 2017 10: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: Wend
                Brainless is not an idea here. Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.

                You got it! drinks
                женщины ....request .... but sometimes, on the nose, you need to click ...
                From reality so as not to come off too much and with slogans .. not much ... carried away, all the same it is in our part ...
                But I personally respect Tatyana as a participant in our forum, there are practical suggestions!
                Yes, and had to communicate in PM,
                1. Vend
                  Vend 11 October 2017 10: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: himRa
                  Quote: Wend
                  Brainless is not an idea here. Chess develops logical thinking and memory. This is not enough for many children at school.

                  You got it! drinks
                  женщины ....request .... but sometimes, on the nose, you need to click ...
                  From reality so as not to come off too much and with slogans .. not much ... carried away, all the same it is in our part ...
                  But I personally respect Tatyana as a participant in our forum, there are practical suggestions!
                  Yes, and had to communicate in PM,

                  We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.
                  1. himRa
                    himRa 11 October 2017 10: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Wend
                    We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

                    Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 11 October 2017 10: 58 New
                      +1
                      Quote: himRa
                      Quote: Wend
                      We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

                      Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....

                      So we have them on the forum hi
                      1. himRa
                        himRa 11 October 2017 11: 01 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Wend
                        Quote: himRa
                        Quote: Wend
                        We all have moments in life. When we look good or not.

                        Therefore, we need other people to taxi, fix, ....

                        So we have them on the forum hi

                        All right colleague! hi
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 10 October 2017 16: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Separ DNR
          But the fact that the conduct of this discipline is persistently lobbying for SAM Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the builder of New Vasyukov in Kalmykia, is annoying.

          How does this bother you? It’s a good thing and the most important thing, so let’s at least Lenin lobby from the mausoleum, the main thing is to the benefit of both children and the country.
          1. Alf
            Alf 10 October 2017 21: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: Pirogov
            , the main thing is that both children and the country benefit.

            To the benefit of the country and children will be the rejection of the Unified State Exam, the booby education system and a return to the formation of the USSR.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        , and from gadgets - get dumb!

        and not only from them. from a calculator, I generally forgot how to count in my mind laughing I can’t count in a store without him laughing Kavk only stop using it after a couple of weeks skills are restored smile all, well, almost all, electronics dry the brain
      4. 210ox
        210ox 10 October 2017 17: 16 New
        +5
        Does the ministry not want to withdraw requisitions from the school curriculum?
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        The program is designed in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodological recommendation, teach a child how to play chess.
        - Cool! Both teachers and children will even learn to think with their heads! Chess brains put in order, and from gadgets - they get dull!
      5. Baloo
        Baloo 10 October 2017 17: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        О

        Finally! fellow I’ll also ask the Ministry of Education: physical education ... My grandson will have 3 class lessons in physical education in grade 3. This is about what physical education can we talk from the teacher of the world ??? fool Первое чему нужно научить первоклашек-умению владеть телом. Это хореография в любом виде-аэробика, У-шу (оптимально !!!), бальные танцы, классическая спортивная гимнастика (азы!!!) с постепенным переходом к простейшим упражнениям на снарядах (брусья, конь, кольца, турник). После этого тренинг выносливости-легкая атлетика, плавание, лыжи. После этого тренинг вместе координации движений и выносливости-волейбол, баскетбол, ручной мяч и опять таки плавание.
        But only after that allow children to attend sections at the school instead of physical education at the same school time: swimming (swimming again and again), volleyball, basketball, handball, martial arts. Noticed that I didn’t say a word about football, hockey, weightlifting? Having a modest experience as a pediatrician, pediatric surgeon, in sports medicine, an orthopedic traumatologist, and manual therapist, he is now a clinical expert, and decided that I can afford this categorical judgment.
        Himself in sport did not reach great heights, as all the boys all the time wanted something new (freestyle wrestling, sambo, weightlifting, swimming, scuba diving, sea all-around).
        Chess is something that can distract children from gadgets, teach them to think independently. hi
      6. papas-57
        papas-57 10 October 2017 18: 12 New
        +2
        Our Ministry of Education and Science deals with hey ... her. Chess is played only by those who are interested. A violent vaccination of love for chess will end like all populist undertakings - in nothing. Just in the classroom they will sleep as usual.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 10 October 2017 18: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: papas-57
          Our Ministry of Education and Science deals with hey ... her. Only those who are interested in chess play chess.

          So you need to instill a desire for independent thinking and creativity, concentration. There is an alternative to chess: checkers, hundred-cell checkers, Go.
          1. papas-57
            papas-57 10 October 2017 18: 21 New
            +1
            `` There is an alternative to chess - checkers, hundred-cell checkers, Guo. '' And also backgammon, cards, roulette, Chapaevites, you need to think everywhere, but not everyone is interested. And in life, most will not come in handy. Violent vaccination usually causes rejection. And the stronger the vaccination, the greater the rejection. And because of one moron in the Ministry of Education and Science, millions of schoolchildren will suffer.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 October 2017 23: 17 New
            +1
            There is a lot of chess in remembering standard situations. They do not develop imagination. Guo is much more interesting.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 23: 43 New
              +4
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There is a lot of chess in remembering standard situations.

              Seriously? Hmm ... but I’ve devoted more than 20 years to this game and I couldn’t think that chess doesn’t develop imagination, ability to healthy imagination and intuition.
            2. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2017 05: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They do not develop imagination. Guo is much more interesting.

              Не знаю игру Го, а вот насчёт шахмат неправы,я будучи мальчиком ясно себе представлял таранную атаку слонов когда он ,,прорубает,, лес противника,наскоки конницы из засады и конников с саблями и криками,и пехотинцев с копьями и щитами подбадривающих друг друга в строю...да много было ярких картинок в игре!!!
            3. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 11 October 2017 08: 56 New
              +1
              In some ways I agree with you. But actually any System at some high stage limits; the richer the Arsenal, the later the restriction comes (as in the mentioned Go). But at the beginning, it certainly disciplines and develops.
              1. himRa
                himRa 11 October 2017 10: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: Knizhnik
                In some ways I agree with you. But actually any System at some high stage limits; the richer the Arsenal, the later the restriction comes (as in the mentioned Go). But at the beginning, it certainly disciplines and develops.

                In past events, there is no way to change anything!
                It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon
                was played in 1820 against General Bertrand.
                or legal
                Legal - Saint-Brie parties in Paris in 1750.
                replayed from the party and trying to understand what they were thinking then
                Another important quality, such as concentration and the ability to relax, it helps me so far especially when driving a car.
                1. Knizhnik
                  Knizhnik 11 October 2017 11: 05 New
                  0
                  In past events, there is no way to change anything!
                  It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon

                  Why is this at all? belay
                  The system (game) is the construction of archetypes, and each possible case is naturally unique and potentially diverse. What was unique and will not happen again, Napoleon was forgotten, we are not in his place, and he is not ours.
                  1. himRa
                    himRa 11 October 2017 11: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Knizhnik
                    In past events, there is no way to change anything!
                    It is in chess that we can imagine ourselves Napoleon

                    Why is this at all? belay
                    The system (game) is the construction of archetypes, and each possible case is naturally unique and potentially diverse. What was unique and will not happen again, Napoleon was forgotten, we are not in his place, and he is not ours.

                    In order not to reproach yourself later, what could have been otherwise and your son, grandson .... would have lived a different life!
                    We must give a chance!
                    What is being done in our country (RF), which I am glad about!
                    Napoleon .... yes ... of course ... but the parts are recorded! winked
      7. HEATHER
        HEATHER 10 October 2017 18: 42 New
        +3
        compulsory chess lessons will be introduced. A preference to enter, weak? And what. Let the schoolchildren on whist for a cent hang out. Fool, damn it. am
      8. iouris
        iouris 11 October 2017 00: 18 New
        0
        They will play chess on gadgets. Brains must be had, not put in order. Education of the mind does not add. Humanity is developing in productive work, and not in the game of chess on the gadget. Everything is lost.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 10 October 2017 16: 20 New
      +9
      А почему бы не ввести "Спортлото", в национальных школах, например, нарды или го. belay But seriously, in schools should be organized circle work in all areas of science, technology and art. Forcing does not lead to good.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 10 October 2017 17: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        And why not introduce Sportloto in national schools, for example, backgammon or go

        just like solitaire, it is more a training of intuition, rather than strategic thinking.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 October 2017 16: 23 New
      +6
      but for learning to play chess, no? Would such a logic reduce the learning process of the new program to formality?

      Chess is a very good thing for the brain, but they require attention, perseverance, and whether they have a first-grader, judging by their grandson, goes to first grade, it is painful to be diligent, but chess is much better than sitting in gadgets and more useful. yes It’s just that there wouldn’t be any formalism. It depends on teachers. yes
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: vovanpain
        Chess is a very good thing for the brain, but they require attention and perseverance

        But does the same mathematics not require? smile What about drawing? smile so much more. the child will be interested, there will be perseverance. you can’t tear your toys from shooters
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 10 October 2017 18: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: LSA57
          а та же математика разве не требует? а рисование? да много чего ещё. заинтересуется ребёнок, будет и усидчивость. от игрушек стрелялок не оторвёшь

          Sergey, on the one hand, of course you are right, and mathematics, by the way, the granddaughter also has a genuine interest in drawing, Rusika is not interested in drawing, but hell already knows how many albums she bought, she’s 5 years old, now she’ll definitely play chess, she plays with me, though I succumb to her of course laughing , but she already remembered how to walk with the figures and she liked it. It all depended on the teacher, she would be able to interest, then the children would like it, and if they were unhooked, that would hardly help. hi
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 October 2017 19: 03 New
            +5
            Quote: vovanpain
            . It all depends on the teacher, knows how to interest, then the children will like it,

            so that's it. and applies not only to children. main interest. After all, on the Internet, we have not just climbed and hang on sites for hours smile
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 10 October 2017 19: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              hanging on sites for hours

              And in and for all days. laughing hi
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 October 2017 19: 33 New
                +5
                Quote: vovanpain
                And in and for all days.

                truly laughing hi
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 10 October 2017 18: 25 New
        +1
        To become a teacher teaching chess, you need to finish ped. University, where they must betray the teaching methods of chess. But this is complete nonsense! belay Try to teach women chess, it will work out only with units. They have a different logic from nature. And this is a long recognized fact.
    4. forester
      forester 10 October 2017 16: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: rpek32
      this is strange.

      Действительно странно, лучше б ЕГЭ отменили и вернули советскую систему образования.Где они столько знающих игру преподователей найдут - не знающих как ходить, а именно игру? Вообщем минобразы есть минобразы
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: forester
        Really strange, it would be better if the USE were canceled and returned to the Soviet system of education.

        the other day I read that the prototype of the exam in the states was a test for people with intellectual disabilities. ours stupidly licked this "guessing game"
        Quote: forester
        Where will they find so many teachers who know the game - not knowing how to walk, namely the game?

        to teach the rules and how the figures walk every teacher can. but the task of preparing masters and grandmasters is not posed. because at the gym classes Olympic champions are not prepared
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2017 16: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: rpek32
      this is strange.

      Nothing strange, dear. I tell you as a master of sports in chess. This game develops logical thinking, analytical, educates the child to make decisions, teaches self-discipline, again the exact sciences and the ability to think extraordinary and broadly. I can only welcome this.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 14 New
        +6
        Quote: NEXUS
        I can only welcome this.

        Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: LSA57
          Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"


          I am sure that yes ... it’s a good and very useful business for the child.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            I am sure that yes ... it’s a good and very useful business for the child.

            all the more so in tynet full of chess games. dabble in leisure smile
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              all the more so in tynet full of chess games. dabble in leisure

              It’s better to play with a living person ... although this is enough on the internet ... you play online with another player.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 39 New
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                Better to play with a living person

                of course better. but this is a problem. friends who know how to play are gone. is on the internet, on skype and play
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 10 October 2017 17: 34 New
        0
        Oh ... excellent .... tell me how remembering a couple of hundred principles develops logical thinking?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: Makarov
          Oh ... excellent .... tell me how remembering a couple of hundred principles develops logical thinking?

          It develops memory, and to be precise, visual memory ...
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 10 October 2017 17: 41 New
            0
            Here I agree completely. What does memory have to do with logic?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 48 New
              +4
              Quote: Makarov
              Here I agree completely. What does memory have to do with logic?

              Let’s say biathlon ... not only accuracy is needed there, but also physical preparation, a firm hand, a clear mind ... and so in chess, there are also qualities that are needed for this game ... there is a set of bonuses that are acquired by a child when lesson in chess.
              1. Makarov
                Makarov 10 October 2017 18: 01 New
                +2
                Мда...в общем понятно. О каких бонусах идет речь не уточняю. Пример Каспарова красноречиво показывает что шахматы - комбинаторика и к умственному развитию имеет опосредствованное отношение. Лучше бы этот час отдали на математику...
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 03 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Makarov
                  Kasparov’s example eloquently shows that chess is combinatorics and has an indirect relation to mental development.

                  Hmm ... that is, an example of Nimtsovich, Botvinnik, Tal, Petrosyan, Karpov, Fisher
                  and so on, they don’t talk about anything at all ... but Kasparov’s example turned out to be indicative and affirmative for you .. well.
                  1. Makarov
                    Makarov 10 October 2017 19: 00 New
                    +2
                    And let's “poke” together ... Fisher - after he finished playing chess he went in for robbery, betrayed and sold his country, was happy about the deaths of his compatriots on September 11 ... it's just a role model. He did so much for people - he played chess! And ... and he was also an ardent anti-Semite ... "smart", nowhere else to go ...
                    Karpov - here I have no questions regarding his mind ...
                    Petrosyan defended his Ph.D. on the topic “Some Problems of the Logic of Chess Thinking” - in which he argued that chess refers to logic and not to combinatorics ...
                    Tal is a Player ... and putting him on a chessboard line with legends is not entirely correct ... as I understand it was a supporter of the independence of Latvia ... probably against the backdrop of alcoholism
                    Botvinnik is a genius and there’s nothing to argue about ...
                    Нимцович...признал что шахматы это банальная комбинаторика и подошел к этому вопросу чисто с математической точки зрения в чем и преуспел...
                    And note that the real geniuses who proved themselves lived as if at a different time ...

                    That is an example for me of Botvinnik and Karpov .. it is more likely that they showed their abilities in chess, which also appeared in other areas that they were engaged in. And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 October 2017 19: 14 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Makarov
                      Tal - Player ... and putting him on a chessboard line with legends is not entirely correct ..

                      Tal, respected for a moment, is a world champion, not just a player.
                      Quote: Makarov
                      Petrosyan defended his Ph.D. on the topic “Some Problems of the Logic of Chess Thinking” - in which he argued that chess refers to logic and not to combinatorics ...

                      There is still debate about what to include chess in art or sport ... and what?
                      Quote: Makarov
                      Nimtsovich ... admitted that chess is a banal combinatorics and approached this issue purely from a mathematical point of view, and he succeeded ...

                      No, from the word at all. Read his book "My Game" is called, maybe you will understand something.
                      Quote: Makarov
                      And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...

                      Everyone has a different life ... but it would be strange if all of them were ideals of decency and chastity. I’m not talking to you about your child drinking like Alekhine, or giving tricks like Fisher ... I’m about these people working a lot to become champions. And in my opinion you do not quite understand what it means to be able to play chess. Chess only develops a person’s mental abilities, but does not make him a genius in all areas of life.
                      1. Makarov
                        Makarov 11 October 2017 17: 33 New
                        +1
                        And when was that level of mind measured by respect? As history shows, it’s mostly the other way around ....
                        Chess is not art ... this is a game. A game that as soon as the computer learns to calculate all the combinations will die ... it happens. I myself spent on it about 15 years of my life ... though without fanaticism)
                        Actually, "My system" ... and if you study it and not read it, then all the philosophical pathos disappears and the purest water of combinatorics opens)
                    2. himRa
                      himRa 10 October 2017 20: 01 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Makarov
                      And the example of the rest proves once again that chess has no relation to mental development ...

                      If you are simplifying, then let's simplify ...
                      The development in our body is when more oxygen and nutrition comes to the cells as a result of blood flow, increased blood flow .... and this is achieved by any intellectual stress ... including chess, this is already a proven fact! Doctors ...
                      1. Makarov
                        Makarov 11 October 2017 17: 41 New
                        +1
                        And let's .... simplify so simplify ....

                        You can go to the sports field and drive into football ... and blood will cling to the cells as well and enrich them in the same way ... only this will affect mental abilities just like ... and the game of chess)

                        PS Скиньте ссылку на доказанный "факт"...в медицине...
        2. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 10 October 2017 20: 43 New
          +4
          Когда начинающему игроку предлагают самому разобраться почему не канонический ход в дебюте ведет к поражению. Это прекрасно развивает мышление. Не зря в шахматах, анализ своих партий - одно из условий мастерства.
          There is nothing wrong with teaching chess at school if it is done at the level of studying the rules of the game, the history of chess. Biographies of outstanding chess players. Well, maybe an analysis of the simplest openings and endgames that even a first-grader will easily understand. This is extremely good for development. But then only voluntarily. Mugs are optional.
      3. win
        win 10 October 2017 18: 07 New
        +7
        Three commandos were sent to the division commander to perform a particularly important mission. Two huge cabinets and one small, modest ...
        Submitted by:
        - Ivanov! Master of sports in boxing, CCM in kettlebell lifting!
        - Petrov! Master of Sports in Sambo, KMS in kickboxing!
        - Sidorov! Master of sports in chess ... I command these two dolbo..bami!
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2017 23: 23 New
        0
        "the ability to think extraordinary and broadly" ///

        Here you can argue. Just in chess there is no latitude. Very strict rules. No wonder the computer began to beat champions with such levity 15 years ago.
        There is something alive in Fisher’s “random” chess. But in ordinary ... the game is dead.
        Memory develops, of course. And visual memory.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 23: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Here you can argue. Just in chess there is no latitude.

          Dear, you yourself understood what you wrote? How many pieces on the board? 32!, And how many cells on the board? 64! And now the question is, how many developments can be under such conditions? What are the standard situations? Latitudes you do not see?
          Quote: voyaka uh
          No wonder the computer began to beat champions with such levity 15 years ago.

          To make it clear to you, the computer beat only when a person played according to the canons, without deviating from theories and standard well-known situations. As soon as a person started playing by turning on his intuition, extraordinary thinking and imagination, the computer fell in pieces.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 10 October 2017 23: 53 New
            0
            Nexus, humble the champion did not beat the supercomputer.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 11 October 2017 00: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Shahno
              Nexus, humble the champion did not beat the supercomputer.

              Bad you know the history of games with the computer ..
              The points..
              Deep Blue - a chess supercomputer developed by IBM, which on May 11, 1997 won a match of 6 games against the world chess champion Garry Kasparov.

              In 1995 year Fritz 3 won the Hong Kong Computer Chess Championship in Hong Kong, unexpectedly defeating the well-known version of the prototype computer Deep Blue.

              In 2002, Deep Fritz tied 4-4 in a match in Bahrain against world chess champion Vladimir Kramnik.

              In November 2003, Fritz X3D, a version of Deep Fritz with a three-dimensional interface, played a draw in four games against Garry Kasparov.

              June 23, 2005, at ABC Times Square Studios, Artificial Intelligence Accoona dashboard, driven by the Fritz 9 prototype, played a draw with the then FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasymdzhanov.

              Enough for you? Maybe you need to put up?
          2. Shahno
            Shahno 11 October 2017 00: 00 New
            0
            - On May 11 on 1997, the Deep Blue computer in the match of the 6 games defeated the world chess champion Garry Kasparov: he defeated the computer twice, once the man and three games were played in a draw.
            1. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2017 05: 23 New
              +1
              Unambiguously say the computer wins the person will not be true!
              AI (artificial intelligence) will not .....
              current computers are binary calculators ... YES, NO
              and how the human brain works is not known so far ..
  2. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 10 October 2017 16: 10 New
    +6
    Correctly. In elementary school, chess. And on preparatory courses in institutes - preference, bridge and poker. smile
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 10 October 2017 16: 13 New
      +4
      In my opinion, you said stupidity. Chess is an intellectual game that develops brains. And what you listed is entertainment for not very smart people.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 10 October 2017 16: 21 New
        +5
        You are wrong, preference develops the brain no worse. And don't you find it strange to teach chess in first grade? Children still do not know how to write and read, and they are taught chess. That class from the 5th would be nice.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 16: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: CentDo
          You are wrong, preference develops the brain no worse.

          I’ll give you an example from my life so that you understand ... my coach, even when I was 9 years old, put a position on the board and not one on the board ... gave 3 minutes. After all this was removed, and after two weeks, a month, two months came up, and forced me to recreate everything I showed from memory. And there were not one or two such positions, but about a dozen.
          Так же он практиковал игру в слепую...кто не в курсе,обьясню. Игрок играет с другим игроком,или с игроками, не глядя на доску и не видя фигур. Попробуйте,а потом поговорим за память...
          Quote: CentDo
          Children still do not know how to write and read, and they are taught chess

          I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: NEXUS
            I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.

            the famous H.R. Capablanca played at about the same age. what I learned to play on my own. I read a long time ago in Kotov’s book “White Snow of Russia”, it seems so. about Alyokhin
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 25 New
              +4
              Quote: LSA57
              the famous H.R. Capablanca played at about the same age. what I learned to play on my own. I read a long time ago in Kotov’s book “White Snow of Russia”, it seems so. about Alyokhin

              Alekhine was the first since the Second World War with the best Reich players on 36 boards to play blind ... if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, the score was mine (I don’t want to go into the wiki) 30 wins and 6 draws. But this record was regularly beaten after ...
              Oops ... not 36, but 32 ... I'm sorry ...
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 48 New
                +7
                Quote: NEXUS
                Alekhine was the first since the Second World War with the best players of the Reich on 36 boards playing blind ...

                it was in Paris. the last surrendered general. retinue correctly prompted smile Alekhine came up and asked why he gave up. the general explained that it makes no sense to play because after a couple of three moves he loses the queen. Alekhine unfolded the board and offered to continue. after a couple of moves it turned out that the queen should not be taken. after a few moves the general surrendered again. Alekhine unfolded the board again. in short, played up to 2 kings on the board smile So this session is described in the book. after the war, for this session Alekhine was deprived of the title of World Champion. recognized him as Champion M. Botvinnik. he challenged him to a duel for the title. in preparation Alekhine died sad
          2. CentDo
            CentDo 10 October 2017 17: 34 New
            +1
            Congratulations. Now everyone should be guided by you? Or can memory be developed exclusively by chess? What if replacing the pieces on the board with multi-colored cubes does something fundamentally change? You will not be able to remember their location?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 40 New
              +4
              Quote: CentDo
              Congratulations. Now everyone should be guided by you?

              No, why? There are much better examples ... for example, Tal, Nimtsovich, Botvinnik ...
              Quote: CentDo
              Or can memory be developed exclusively by chess?

              Chess is not only developing memory, dear. Thinking, intuition, logic, analytics, etc. ... memory is just one of the bonuses of playing chess.
              Quote: CentDo
              You will not be able to remember their location?

              Visual memory is like remembering ... numbers, figures or cubes ...
              1. CentDo
                CentDo 10 October 2017 17: 45 New
                0
                But apart from chess, the skills you mentioned cannot be developed? I already wrote below that for this there was a lesson in logic, on which they taught all this. And they did not stupidly rest against one single game, but tried to give different examples and tasks.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 55 New
                  +5
                  Quote: CentDo
                  But apart from chess, the skills you mentioned cannot be developed? I already wrote below that for this there was a lesson in logic, on which they taught all this. And they did not stupidly rest against one single game, but tried to give different examples and tasks.

                  Чем вам так мешает эта игра?В игровой форме ребенка тренируют размышлять,принимать решения,импровизировать,переигрывать оппонента и тем самым расти...а уроки логики и тд...ну яж не говорю,что против них.Повторяю,шахматам более 2000 лет,и можно привести массу примеров людей знаменитых,которые играли в эту игру и очень профессионально. Македонский,Петр Первый и тд...ранее,для военачальников,в древние времена это была обязательная дисциплина обучения.
                  1. CentDo
                    CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 03 New
                    +2
                    So I am not against chess. I am opposed to being introduced as a compulsory lesson in elementary school.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 05 New
                      +4
                      Quote: CentDo
                      So I am not against chess. I am opposed to being introduced as a compulsory lesson in elementary school.

                      So don’t take your child to these classes ... who forbids you from doing this? You’ve got a storm in a glass of water.
                      1. CentDo
                        CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 11 New
                        +1
                        How? The article clearly states that this will be a MANDATORY lesson.
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 20 New
                      +4
                      Quote: CentDo
                      How? The article clearly states that this will be a MANDATORY lesson.

                      It will be as obligatory as it is with singing or singing ... why don’t you say anything about these lessons? Once a week to play chess .... disaster, guard, kill a child!
              2. bk316
                bk316 10 October 2017 18: 21 New
                +2
                Visual memory is like remembering ... numbers, figures or cubes ...

                If they are scattered on the floor, yes. If occupied appeared as a result of various algorithms, then NO.
          3. win
            win 10 October 2017 18: 40 New
            +1
            I remember sketchy how 30 years ago I arranged my sons for 5 years in a chess club.
            The teacher was now famous teacher Goncharov Viktor Ivanovich.
            Through the ajar door, we parents peered at the training of our children.
            Struck by the teaching method, in a fabulous form, he explained the basics of chess, tactics ...
            But these are single teachers, that's why they became famous.
            But what can a normal school teacher give a child?
            Teachers themselves need to learn the technique.
            Again, an additional burden on teachers.
            My wife is a primary school teacher and she is for, but she plays very, very weakly
            and I (and children too) cannot teach her in any way, although she is a distinguished teacher.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 19: 19 New
              +5
              Quote: Siegen
              My wife is a primary school teacher and she is for, but she plays very, very weakly
              and I (and children too) cannot teach her in any way, although she is a distinguished teacher.

              Let her read the Soviet-era chess game tutorials. I think this will help the case. Or find Nimtsovich’s book “My System” ... she can still be called “My Game” ... there the training goes from scratch.
              1. win
                win 10 October 2017 19: 48 New
                +1
                I have this book ...
                She does not have logical thinking, only figurative.
                I don’t understand anything in her teaching methodology,
                а она в моей логике - ни бум-бум (анекдот про программиста,
                who went to the store - exactly about me).
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 October 2017 19: 58 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Siegen
                  I have this book ...
                  She does not have logical thinking, only figurative.

                  Everything is explained there very easily, as they say "on the fingers." In any case, she will get the basics of playing chess. And for the kids to learn this is enough. After all, she is not going to become the second Gabrindashvili or Cheburdanidze. wink
                  1. win
                    win 10 October 2017 20: 06 New
                    +2
                    Now she is retired, a lot of time.
                    I'll try to distract her from the series and together we will learn.
                    Especially in old age dementia will loom. Already the memory is suffering.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 October 2017 20: 30 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Siegen
                      Now she is retired, a lot of time.
                      I'll try to distract her from the series and together we will learn.
                      Especially in old age dementia will loom. Already the memory is suffering.

                      Take care ... very well trains memory and strengthens nerves. Good thing ...
                      1. win
                        win 10 October 2017 20: 54 New
                        +3
                        Thanks for the recommendations and suggestions! good
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          5. iouris
            iouris 11 October 2017 00: 20 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            I learned to play chess at age 5 ... and didn’t die.

            But I have not learned. And - nothing, I live.
            1. bk316
              bk316 11 October 2017 15: 41 New
              +2
              A couple of billions and can not read, and nothing - live.
        2. alstr
          alstr 10 October 2017 16: 56 New
          +1
          We add that the Bridge, for example, develops linguistic abilities (you need to tell about the alignment with your bets), and any serious card game trains memory.
          And if we talk about thousands, then there is also a good oral training to evaluate bribes.

          But what about card games, that chess still requires special training. And first of all, the knowledge of the theoretical part from the teacher.
          Therefore, it is better to make it a circle.

          Threat besides, now necessarily something developing still stands in the primary school curriculum.
        3. LSA57
          LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: CentDo
          Children still can’t write and read,

          but on a computer in toys you will be given a head start
          1. CentDo
            CentDo 10 October 2017 17: 36 New
            0
            So what? Are computer games now an indicator of intellectual development?
            1. bk316
              bk316 10 October 2017 18: 23 New
              +3
              So what? Are computer games now an indicator of intellectual development?

              And what is an indicator of reading ability or the number of pages read?
              1. CentDo
                CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 28 New
                0
                Yes it is. If you think otherwise, you can teach your child computer games, and not reading and reading and writing.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 11 October 2017 13: 26 New
                  +2
                  Yes it is.

                  Well, how do you assess the intellectual development of a person who has read 1005000 pages of SpeedInfo magazine compared to Nobel laureate Zhores Alferov who has read only 1000000 pages? recourse

                  Интеллектуальное развитие молодой человек, определяется способностью к различным типам мышления а также способностью к анализу умению делать самостоятельные выводы и обобщения. Каким образом все эти навыки получены неважно.
                  А мой сын давно закончил один из ведущих технических ВУЗов страны и сейчас является высококлассным и востребованным специалистом, в чем ему никак не помешало увлечение компьютерными играми, а по моему мнению даже помогло.
      2. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 10 October 2017 16: 22 New
        +4
        It’s immediately obvious that you don’t know how to play these games. They develop memory perfectly, require quick calculation in the mind and assess probabilities, train self-discipline.
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 10 October 2017 16: 24 New
        0
        Chess is an eastern game, and western is a card. Also quite intelligent.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 17: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          Chess is an oriental game,

          Until now, it’s not known where chess came from. There are versions - India, China and even Ancient Greece, if my sclerosis does not fail me ...
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 10 October 2017 18: 55 New
            +5
            Hi Andrew!
            Школу засоряют подменой понятий и вместо фундаментальных знаний, заменяют "игрушечными". Математика и та - наука прикладная к фундаментальным :физике, химии, биологии т. п. Спасибо, хоть астрономию вернули. А ведь, мы когда то в школе изучали элементарную логику и риторику. А в шахматы и шашки играли почти все мальчишки. Игра, она и есть игра, до тех пор пока её вдалбливать в голову не начнут или принуждать к обязательному усвоению. Тут жди обратного эффекта. Нельзя допускать в школу лиц, не имеющих специального образования по педагогике, детской психологии и не владеющих методикой преподавания отдельно взятых школьных предметов. Это вам любой педагог на пальцах объяснит.
            1. himRa
              himRa 11 October 2017 06: 42 New
              +1
              Get back!
              I understand your concerns but ...
              Talking about tightly centralized education on a scale of all of Russia at the moment is not necessary (USSR)
              Each municipality has the opportunity to correct the curriculum ..
              The division into fundamental and applied is not correct, (PMSM)
              Basic science is the first period of accumulating knowledge that cannot be profitable.
              Applied science is the second stage (accumulation of knowledge) which is already paying off and making a profit ..
              Quote: siberalt
              Persons who do not have special education in pedagogy, child psychology and do not know the methodology of teaching individual school subjects should not be allowed into the school.

              Nobody argues with this ...
              В пятницу подымаюсь по лестнице встречаю соседского мальца,стоит...спрашиваю -чего стоишь-устал портфель тяжёлый....
              Проблема в текущем развитии общества,цивилизации...
              which requires already much more knowledge ... it is difficult for children !!!!
              And chess is an ancient game that does not endure fuss ... maybe you need to somehow limit that flow, that avalanche of information that falls upon our ... grandchildren?
      4. bk316
        bk316 10 October 2017 17: 27 New
        +4
        And what you listed is entertainment for not very smart people.

        Ага сыграйте в покер, только потом не говорите что Вы -то умный , поэтому всегда проигрываете. bully
        Если серьезно, то что бы нормально играть в покер нудно иметь весьма хорошую память и ОФИГЕННО ХОРОШИЙ УСТНЫЙ СЧЕТ.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: bk316
          Seriously, in order to play poker normally, it’s tedious to have a very good memory and AWESOME GOOD ORAL ACCOUNT.

          good observation and understanding of psychology. everyone has heard about bluffing laughing
          1. bk316
            bk316 10 October 2017 18: 14 New
            +2
            good observation and understanding of psychology. everyone heard about bluff laughing

            То о чем пишете Вы (знания и навыки психологии) это для профессионалов (эти навыки и в шахматах нужны) , а для начала считать, считать и считать (вероятности).
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: bk316
              What you write about (knowledge and psychology skills) is for professionals (these skills are also needed in chess), and to begin with, count, count and count (probabilities).

              As well as in chess, counting a dozen combinations 25 moves ahead ... and as for poker .. well, the game is good, only unlike chess-HAZARD. And why produce gamers who can subsequently drag things and money from home?
              Chess is one of many games where you cannot be fooled, as in cards.
              1. siberalt
                siberalt 10 October 2017 19: 04 New
                0
                The whole point of a game of chess is to deceive the enemy with an unexpected move. For this, there are "homework" What are you talking about? laughing Or is Hashmat not a game?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 October 2017 19: 22 New
                  +4
                  Quote: siberalt
                  The whole point of a game of chess is to deceive the enemy with an unexpected move. For this, there are "homework" What are you talking about? laughing Or is Hashmat not a game?

                  The erroneous opinion is fundamentally. There is no deception from the word at all. Replaying the enemy and cheating are different concepts. Both players see the board with the pieces. And homework does not affect the results so much, believe me as a professional player. hi
              2. bk316
                bk316 11 October 2017 12: 38 New
                +2
                Well, you understand that chess also plays for money.
                The excitement in poker is a hindrance, all professional players, very balanced people.
                1. himRa
                  himRa 11 October 2017 15: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bk316
                  Well, you understand that chess also plays for money.
                  The excitement in poker is a hindrance, all professional players, very balanced people.

                  We are talking about basic concepts ...
                  Изначально, шахматы как игра не предусмотрена игра на ,,деньги,,
                  And poker is provided ...
                  How old is poker? What about chess?
                  The article talks about the introduction of chess in the education system - read the battle of beginner intellects !!!!
      5. Makarov
        Makarov 10 October 2017 17: 36 New
        0
        And then I’ll ask you: how do chess develop brains?
        1. himRa
          himRa 10 October 2017 18: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Makarov
          And then I’ll ask you: how do chess develop brains?

          It's simple:
          The number of brain cells is given to us at birth and it only decreases over time !!!
          But, the development of the brain is called the number of connections between cells that can be expanded through classes and learning with something and the more difficult the lesson, the more complex and numerous the connections ....
          There is still such an effect ... the creation of connections is accompanied by an increase in blood flow, which in turn has a beneficial effect on cells and their “longevity” and functioning as they receive more oxygen and nutrition ...
          Learning and playing chess is a difficult task, speaking in the military, requiring knowledge of tactics and strategy ... something like this and by the way a very interesting fact !!! intellectual work allows you to preserve the properties of men longer than physical laughing
          1. bk316
            bk316 10 October 2017 18: 17 New
            +4
            Absolutely right.
            And on the first point and on the second and third.
            Briefly and clearly.
          2. Makarov
            Makarov 10 October 2017 19: 08 New
            +1
            I absolutely agree on everything except “requiring knowledge of tactics and strategy ...” Limited options for combinations and three options for the result are pure combinatorics. No tactics or strategies (other than purely preparatory to big tournaments
            championships) there is no speech in this game ... This is a game of knowledge started .... Complications include painting or writing poetry ... something that no one has done before you ... memory is fine, but brains develop slightly different things ...
            1. himRa
              himRa 10 October 2017 19: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: Makarov
              Limited combination options and three outcome options are pure combinatorics

              There is one good legend .... and on its basis a mathematical task
              The problem of grains on a chessboard is a mathematical problem that calculates how many grains there will be on a chessboard if you put twice as many grains on each next cell of the board than on the previous one, starting with one. what is 18.

              When I commented on you, I already knew what you would say ....
              If this game is combinatorics then the computer must win always but this is not so - the computer also loses
              The logic is wrong! Following it all mathematics, physics and programming is combinatorics ....
              There are many animals that draw, and by the way, the computer also knows how to draw and add up poems.
              1. Makarov
                Makarov 11 October 2017 17: 20 New
                0
                Physics - (to a certain extent) is mathematics. Programming is math. Combinatorics is a branch of mathematics. I’ll give you an excerpt from Wikipedia so that you don’t have more questions: With the growth of computer memory capacity, endgames of increased complexity will be solved sooner or later.

                A computer that uses the endgame database will, upon reaching a position in them, be able to play flawlessly and without delay determine whether a position is winning, losing or drawn, and also find the fastest and longest way to achieve a result. Knowing the exact position estimate is also useful when increasing the strength of the computer, as this will allow the program to choose ways to achieve the goal depending on the situation [that is, simplifying and exchanging to get a clearly researched position].

                All 5-shaped endings occupy 7,03 GB.
                All 6-figure endings occupy 1,205 TB.
                All 7-figure endings occupy 140 TB.
                All 8-figure endings will occupy approximately 10 PB.

                That is, the limit of the game is mathematically calculated. It is the matter of time.

                Regarding animals - with the exception of dolphins and dog daubs, something similar to drawing is shown by a couple of species of higher primates, and even then ... this is a huge stretch ... there it does not even reach the level of rock art .... and the computer does not draw he knows how to write poetry ... to "add" an arbitrary picture or pictures from already existing elements, markup for a verse - yes ... (again, this is pure mathematics) .... from elements based on the so-called. neural networks ... but this is not creativity, this is not drawing, this is enumeration of combinations according to the given parameters ... A computer cannot create a new one ... it is able to process the old one ... well, they learned to learn a subject ... cool ... only they have managed to do this for a long time since then only quality is growing ...
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 20: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Makarov
              Difficult exercises include painting pictures or composing poems ... something that no one has done before you ... memory is fine, but a few other things develop brains ...

              Remember the imperial times ... the study of several languages, the writing of verses, the laws of God, and so on ... and worthy educated people came out. In this case, the same dead Latin, most did not need in principle.
              1. Makarov
                Makarov 11 October 2017 17: 23 New
                +1
                Here are the languages ​​- the brain is being developed, who is arguing ... a useful lesson, especially poetry. The laws of God were needed for something completely different. The power of the emperor was based on the principles of legitimacy, like any other power. An emperor in an atheist country cannot be defined, since the emperor’s legitimacy is received from God. If people do not believe in God, then conditional legitimacy ... conditional legitimacy is conditional power.
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 10 October 2017 19: 11 New
          0
          If you have no brains, you will never learn to play chess, as well as cards. Here I agree with you. hi But a football player can turn out good. lol
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 10 October 2017 16: 14 New
      0
      Correctly. In elementary school, chess. And on preparatory courses in institutes - preference, bridge and poker. smile

      Until it comes to chess, they will each take the course of a young fighter on a computer with crazy games like Kotrstraik
      1. bk316
        bk316 10 October 2017 18: 19 New
        +2
        with crazy games like Kotrstrike

        Directly "Kotr"? laughing
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 10 October 2017 19: 13 New
        0
        I generally read Kotostriyk and was horrified))
  3. Engineer
    Engineer 10 October 2017 16: 10 New
    +2
    We had physical education classes in chess. Even the competitions were held between schools, where in the 9th grade I managed to take third place in the standings of individuals)
  4. Karen
    Karen 10 October 2017 16: 14 New
    +1
    We introduced it for the first time. Helps
    1. Makarov
      Makarov 10 October 2017 19: 13 New
      +1
      What helps? or what?
  5. CentDo
    CentDo 10 October 2017 16: 15 New
    +4
    And what the hell is a seven-year-old child needing? It would be better if another hour of the Russian language or literature was introduced. Or a lesson in logic, for example. Chess is a great game, but not for that age.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 10 October 2017 16: 22 New
      0
      at 7 years old, children already beat the code wassat and chess goes with a bang.

      children generally quickly grasp.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 10 October 2017 16: 24 New
        +2
        All children? Girls too?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 10 October 2017 16: 26 New
          +1
          about little girls it turned out more difficult than with boys, but

          Isabelle Sie - a programmer who wants to change the world

          «Это как с языком. Чем раньше ты начинаешь его учить, тем с течением времени свободнее им владеешь», – так говорит о программировании 13-летнаяя девочка Изабель Сие из Филиппин. Она начала кодить в 10. Учитель заметил её успехи в математике и предложил изучать программирование. С помощью онлайн-курсов Code Academy Изабель освоила HTML и javascript. Потом её мама наняла репетитора, чтобы девочка смогла углубить свои знания.

          Isabelle believes that it’s much easier to learn programming languages ​​together, therefore launched the project “Girls Will Code”. She is constantly developing, provides courses for children and ensures that schools have additional classes for an in-depth study of programming.


          Tanmai Bakshi began coding at 5 years old. He watched his father, a programmer, and wanted to learn how to create the same “magic”. Already at 9 he developed several complex applications.

          Now Tanmay is 13, and for several years he has been working at IBM, making applications on the Watson artificial intelligence platform. A boy from Ontario often takes part in thematic conferences, speaking to thousands of developers around the world. He also runs his YouTube channel, where he teaches programming. The channel is quite popular - the number of subscribers has exceeded 1300 and is growing rapidly.


          Vasik Farhan-Rupkota was officially recognized as the youngest IT expert on the planet. According to his mother, in 3 he started working in Microsoft Word, in 4 - he used emulators like Project64 1.7, Dolphin and VisualBoyAdvance. At the same age, he began to study C and C ++. At the age of 6, he started editing Wikipedia and even created an article on the version of Windows. He worked for the SCP Foundation and Globulation 2. In 2014, he developed 17 games on the ROBLOX platform.

          The genius of a boy from Bangladesh lies in the fact that he did not study anywhere. He mastered all programming languages ​​on his own. Today, 11-year-old Vasik knows very well the languages ​​C, C #, Java, Visual basic, PHP, Python, Lua. He officially works as a game developer at Singapore-based BlueScheme Ltd. In addition, the boy is interested in space technology, archeology and, in principle, new developments.


          and we have all sorts of Sirius right now - that's where the kids will give odds to any office

          And while studying at MIREA I saw different girls wassat true they were older

          and since childhood I have loved to play chess. So I think a good topic

          1. CentDo
            CentDo 10 October 2017 16: 30 New
            +5
            I repeat: does this apply to all children? Or will the education program now focus on geeks? What about the rest of the children? To envy? So the inferiority complex is not far.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 10 October 2017 16: 31 New
              +2
              Do you think there will be children who cannot learn how to play chess? Do not make me laugh.
              1. CentDo
                CentDo 10 October 2017 16: 39 New
                +6
                What for? Will it help them much in life? Just don’t talk about intellectual development, etc. In my time for this, the lesson of logic was where we were really taught to think, reason, calculate options, etc. We went to chess after lessons, as an elective. Why the hell should the child's intellectual development be tied to one single game that he might not like? And then what? Force to play?
                1. alstr
                  alstr 10 October 2017 16: 59 New
                  +2
                  And music develops an intellectual level and even motor skills with hearing. So let the children play the instruments.

                  This is nonsense. I agree that such things should be at the request of the child.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 10 October 2017 16: 49 New
        +1
        at 7 years old, children already beat the code

        And do not beat the dishes?
        Do not need this insanity.
        Firstly, the school has a curriculum and a load that needs to be kept up. This is especially difficult for first-graders, since they are just starting to study at school and must undergo psychological adaptation to study, estimates, the need to work 4 academic hours each day. In addition, kids have something to learn - to develop handwriting, learn letters, learn to read and write - these are not simple activities.
        Next - your girl child prodigy from your own article began to study at 10 years old. At 10 and not at 7 damn, and by 13 mastered the most primitive and accessible to everyone discipline. It is easier than chess.

        He himself was probably engaged in chess somewhere from the second or third class, but not from the first. He started with fairy tales about chess pieces.
      3. bk316
        bk316 10 October 2017 17: 28 New
        +2
        at 7 years old, children already beat the wassat code and chess went off with a bang.

        Yes. Well, if it's hard, you can start with checkers.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2017 16: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: CentDo
      Chess is a great game, but not for that age.

      Seriously? laughing At 9 years old, I already had my first adult rank in chess. laughing
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 10 October 2017 17: 38 New
        +2
        Lord, be proud of yourself as much as you like, look do not burst. But what the hell should all the children now follow in your footsteps? I didn’t have a category in chess, so what? This did not stop me from getting a higher education and providing a decent family.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: CentDo
          But what the hell should all the children now follow in your footsteps?

          And then what about my feet? I was engaged in chess professionally, and even on this I earned money in my youth ... and here it is said that ..
          This is a very simple program, from 1 to 4 class - once a week. And there is no need for additional competencies for the teacher. The program is structured in such a way that a teacher of any age (...) can, using a methodical recommendation, teach a child to play chess himself.

          That is, to give the child the basics ... and then he will decide whether he needs it or not.
          1. CentDo
            CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 07 New
            +2
            And if the child decides that he is not interested? Well, absolutely nothing, I don’t like it and that’s it. What to do then? These are not additional classes that can be easily abandoned.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: CentDo
              And if the child decides that he is not interested? Well, just like that, I don’t like it and that’s it. What to do then?

              And what do they do when a child doesn’t have a voice for a singing lesson or artistic skills for art? Apparently they’ll be executed as in Sparta, right?
              1. CentDo
                CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 37 New
                +1
                And at singing lessons, does a child compete with someone openly? It's one thing to get a trivial two or three singing (although I don’t remember something like that), and it’s quite another to lose to classmates. Lost one, two, three, then he will go to this lesson as hard labor. Why is this needed?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 October 2017 18: 42 New
                  +2
                  Quote: CentDo
                  and completely different to lose to classmates. Lost one, two, three, then he will go to this lesson as hard labor. Why is this needed?

                  Then let's cancel physical education. There, too, there is a competitive element. You are to God, you are carrying such nonsense.
                  1. CentDo
                    CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 52 New
                    +2
                    Physical education at school is necessary, there is no substitute for it and will not be. And there are many disciplines. In one he lost, in the other he won. Someone runs faster, someone pulls up more, as a rule, there is no unique outsider.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 October 2017 19: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: CentDo
                      Physical education at school is necessary, there is no substitute for it and will not be. And there are many disciplines. In one he lost, in the other he won. Someone runs faster, someone pulls up more, as a rule, there is no unique outsider.

                      The competitive moment and some healthy excitement have never done anything wrong. And your fears that the child will lose and thereby score on this subject ... well, in any class there are doubles, triplets or excellent students. I repeat, the Chess lesson does not determine the future fate of the child, but only helps him in some moments to become more disciplined, thoughtful, able to think logically analytically ... is this bad?
                      1. CentDo
                        CentDo 10 October 2017 19: 11 New
                        +1
                        The guy was in elementary school with me, he read very poorly (almost on a line per minute). So for him, every reading lesson was torture. But the ability to read a person is necessary in life, so he was forced to read through power. Is it worth it to do with children who will not like chess?
                        In my opinion, this game is good to know when you already have a basic understanding of logic, the ability to plan. As I wrote in my first comment, this subject would have been a perfect fit for the class from the fifth. I myself remember that the chess boom happened in us at the age of 10-11, almost all went to classes.
        2. bk316
          bk316 10 October 2017 18: 25 New
          +3
          This did not stop me from getting a higher education and providing a decent family.

          and it didn’t cross your mind that this could HELP get higher education?
          1. CentDo
            CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 43 New
            0
            Chess rank? That is, not the ability to play chess, but namely the presence of rank? No, the presence of a rank in chess could not help me get a higher education.
            1. bk316
              bk316 11 October 2017 13: 31 New
              +2
              is there a discharge?

              Not the presence of the first rank, but the ability to memorize from the first reading several pages of text developed as a result of training to obtain this category.
              1. CentDo
                CentDo 11 October 2017 16: 43 New
                0
                Нет, описанная Вами способность помочь бы не смогла. Прочитанный текст не запоминать надо, а понимать его суть. Запомнить отрывок текста может любой (после соответствующей тренировки), а вот понять его...
    3. bk316
      bk316 10 October 2017 17: 30 New
      +2
      Or a lesson in logic, for example

      Also not bad, but literature is superfluous.
      With our teachers, literature is a way to keep a child from reading.
    4. LSA57
      LSA57 10 October 2017 17: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: CentDo
      Or a lesson in logic, for example.

      do you think logic is not needed in chess :?
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 10 October 2017 18: 13 New
        +1
        There is. So can you first teach a child logic, and only then impose chess?
  6. Blombir
    Blombir 10 October 2017 16: 19 New
    +7
    Quote: rpek32
    this is strange.

    What's so strange about that? Normal topic. Chess, who understands, trains the brain. This is such a thing in the head ugly, it also needs to be trained, like everything else.
  7. Dedall
    Dedall 10 October 2017 16: 25 New
    +7
    Господа, это называется популизмом. В буквальном смысле. Министру приказали что-то сделать, чтобы ничего не менять и детишки чтобы продолжали тупеть, вот она вывернулась. По-моему, шахматы могут быть введены в школе в виде факультатива. Например, как и обучение программированию микроконтроллеров или изготовлению фигурок и разных поделок на 3D принтере. Так сказать, личное дело каждого, как сходить с ума. Вот только финансирование всех этих дел должно идти через школьный бюджет и закладываться в него, а не ложиться грузом на плечи родителей.
    1. bardadym
      bardadym 10 October 2017 17: 30 New
      +2
      As it turned out, in Rostov-on-Don and the surrounding area, this initiative has been working for six years. Reviews are purely positive, both from teachers and from parents.
  8. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 10 October 2017 16: 28 New
    +1
    Good idea, really develops. If only it did not turn into formalism, especially since “even there, no additional competencies for the teacher are required”, it smells just like that. Children, they are such creatures that these things are sensed.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2017 16: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Knizhnik
      A good idea

      what good? !!!

      how to give grades, for what, who will evaluate, how often will the lessons
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 11 October 2017 08: 35 New
        0
        A whole fountain of questions, strange even for an amateur. There are ready-made teaching and assessment systems practiced in chess schools, you just need to implement them in general education. The frequency of lessons and the composition of teachers will be determined in accordance with the curriculum. And do not say that it turned out to be a revelation for you.
  9. Livonetc
    Livonetc 10 October 2017 16: 34 New
    +2
    The idea is very sound.
    Today, children stop thinking, they introduce a pattern of variations.
    And there’s nothing to talk about decision making.
    Here you will need to think and make decisions.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2017 16: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Livonetc
      The idea is very sound.

      Yes, there is nothing healthy in it
      return the SOVIET EDUCATION system, not reinvent the wheel
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2017 16: 42 New
    +3
    we have nothing to do with bureaucrats at all, maybe it’s better to return astronomy and drawing to NW? !!!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2017 20: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      we have nothing to do with bureaucrats at all, maybe it’s better to return astronomy and drawing to NW? !!!

      Why not? In imperial times, for example, knowledge of 6-10 languages ​​at a good level was the norm. Lomonosov studied astronomy and what? The same drawing ... without drawing skills, the same Kalashnikov would not have created his famous machine gun.
    2. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 11 October 2017 08: 41 New
      0
      From this year, astronomy actually returned, in the framework of physics
  11. Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 10 October 2017 16: 45 New
    +2
    Maybe geography, huh? Or will the cab drive?
  12. Roman 11
    Roman 11 10 October 2017 16: 54 New
    +2
    Forcing? Can every school organize a chess club for amateurs? Who likes - please. Even with social centers, employment centers and public clubs, you can organize classrooms and classes of chess, drafts, dominoes. Let anyone who visits in their free time, not just kids hi
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 October 2017 17: 10 New
    +3
    It’s funny, commentators through one chess player, and evaluate the current reality, only at the prompts of the TV.
    I propose introducing unified chess - four variations for each pawn.
    1. himRa
      himRa 11 October 2017 09: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      I propose introducing unified chess - four variations for each pawn.

      And here they were wrong! There are no 4 options for a pawn! lol tongue
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 October 2017 10: 24 New
        0
        4 options!
        In the time of the exam everything is possible)
        1. himRa
          himRa 11 October 2017 11: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          4 options!
          In the time of the exam everything is possible)

          1-yes
          2-No
          I don’t know
          4-I have information on this issue but it is confidential!
          wassat
  14. Karen
    Karen 10 October 2017 17: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: CentDo
    All children? Girls too?

    How quickly the good past and the very recent Soviet one are forgotten ... Even in the Union they demanded that the classes be separated: girls, due to their earlier development, master the material much easier and thus the boys feel that they are backward in elementary grades.
  15. Vitas
    Vitas 10 October 2017 17: 27 New
    +1
    В Армении или в В Азербайджане, увы не помню, ввели как предмет. По моему это здорово!
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 17: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Vitas
      В Армении или в В Азербайджане, увы не помню, ввели как предмет. По моему это здорово!

      Вроде в Калмыкии и уже давно..! К.Илюмжанов глава федерации российских шахматистов..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 October 2017 20: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        K. Ilyumzhanov head of the federation of Russian chess players ..

        An international grandmaster, moreover of a Soviet format. And this is a very strong school, not a couple of western ones.
    2. garnik
      garnik 10 October 2017 19: 49 New
      +2
      С 2011 года впервые в Армении ввели обязательные уроки по шахматам в школах. На то есть причина,практически все от мало до велико умеют играть в шахматы. Там не надо заставлять детей играть в навязанную им игру ,они рады этому. В любом случае это хорошо ,главное чтоб дети полюбили шахматы.
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 20: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: garnik
        In any case, it’s good, the main thing is that children love chess.

        Well, this ancient game of reason and logic will certainly not harm children!
    3. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 11 October 2017 08: 45 New
      +1
      I heard in Armenia there, we definitely do not. True, children's chess schools are quite popular, with the children of those who go there, the bowler noticeably cooks better. If we would like to introduce such an object, then with both hands are in favor.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 11 October 2017 08: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Knizhnik
        in children from those who go there, the pot noticeably cooks better.

        У меня племяшка - чемпион города по шахматам. Так нет у нее мозгов. совсем.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 11 October 2017 09: 10 New
          +1
          God bless her. A counter example is exactly the same, my chess niece is just smart. Have you tried to better understand it? Clever children are often characterized by strangeness, which is often mistaken for stupidity. Children with congenital abilities of mental concentration (especially if the child is an “introvert”) are often characterized by a slowed-down “reason”, difficulty with switching attention, and ingenuity. With this, you just need to work, adjust, the best way is to give it to the sport, to tighten up the reaction speed.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 11 October 2017 10: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: Knizhnik
            Have you tried to better understand it?

            Is it like when she beat Mitsubishi's daddies in 14 years? It's hard to understand something.
            1. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 11 October 2017 10: 24 New
              +1
              I do not see any connection. You can be stupid and obedient, or a coward, and not dare to drive a car. Smart are not mistaken, or something. Looks like the problem here is not in the children ...
  16. John Doe
    John Doe 10 October 2017 17: 29 New
    +4
    Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 17: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: John Doe
      Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

      Я понял ваш намек "мой американский друг" ...Православие всегда было стержнем Российской государственности (даже во времена советской власти) И подпилить его всегда мечтали как внешние , так и внутренние враги... Не выйдет господа!
      1. John Doe
        John Doe 10 October 2017 18: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Quote: John Doe
        Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

        Я понял ваш намек "мой американский друг" ...Православие всегда было стержнем Российской государственности (даже во времена советской власти) И подпилить его всегда мечтали как внешние , так и внутренние враги... Не выйдет господа!

        I am not your friend. And I hung this flag to catch the "odd chromosomal", because they react to such a flag with terrible fury)
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 18: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: John Doe
          I am not your friend. And I hung this flag to catch the "odd chromosomal", because they react to such a flag with terrible fury)

          Нет вы "друг" ! Люблю таких изучать.. hi You, as I understand it on the "chromosomes" work ..?
          And here I am at the genetic level, a lover of communication ..
          Well, they fled again! crying
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 10 October 2017 17: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: John Doe
      Chess is better than Orthodox ethics lessons))

      Уроки западной толерантности ,развитие любви к извращенцам ,конечно лучше православной этики?
  17. Karen
    Karen 10 October 2017 17: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Livonetc
    The idea is very sound.

    Yes, there is nothing healthy in it
    return the SOVIET EDUCATION system, not reinvent the wheel

    He wrote already ... 10-15 years ago, in the USA, the budget allocated 15 billion. bucks so that school programs of different states lead to the Soviet school.
  18. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 17: 35 New
    +2
    I am for chess with both hands .. Especially in the elementary grades, they absorb everything like sponges at this age!
    My younger in my mind multiplication produces three-digit and four-digit numbers, I don’t even have time to type on the calculator, and this nimble one already gives the answer ... (I'm deep in thought ..)))) belay
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 10 October 2017 17: 37 New
    +3
    I'm all for it ! One of the few games that allows you to develop the brain, and in modern youth only one finger is developed, knock on the clave, and all games are just a continuation of instincts.
  20. win
    win 10 October 2017 18: 01 New
    +2
    Two gangsters are talking
    -Yesterday went to a showdown with blacks
    -So how is it?
    -You know the chess term “White starts and wins”
    -I know
    - So this only happens in chess! belay
  21. bk316
    bk316 10 October 2017 18: 28 New
    +3
    In principle, of course I am for.
    Well, this is definitely better than memorizing verses, although memorization will not hurt reasonably.
    The whole question is how to teach this.
    If you just learn the rules - this is profanity.
    If you start to learn for real, then GUARANTEE not all teachers will cope with this.
    Хотя я уверен до 3 разряда могут развиться практически все, дальше второй надо трудиться еще дальше это уже спорт.
    CCM (era of the USSR) creates for me the incomprehensible.
    In general, I advise everyone to do chess at an old age, an awesome prevention of senile mental disorders.
    1. win
      win 10 October 2017 18: 49 New
      +2
      A physical education teacher cannot beat a labor teacher in chess,
      because he secretly made himself two additional queens.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2017 20: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: bk316
      CCM (era of the USSR) creates for me the incomprehensible.

      The CCMs of the times of the USSR were not inferior in rating to the international grandmasters in terms of international ratings (not all of course).
      I’ll tell a story from my life ... it was in Odessa, where we rested as a team. Our coach, a Jew (and you understand that there are no stupid Jews), had a friendship with one Odessa citizen who was a master of sports in quick chess (5 or three minutes are given to each player) ... so this shot went through cafes and parks , of which there were many at the time where they played chess for money. So he earned by beating strong players in fast chess. I will repeat, only worthy and strong. He did not sit down with amateurs. And so the Moscow grandmaster arrived in Odessa, and wandered into one such cafe in the evening. He played imposingly and condescendingly, at a rate of “for a ruble” per game ... our acquaintance, after standing an hour by his side, asked me to play. He sat down and lost the first two games on the ruble shamelessly)) But after he began to “tear” him as a young man ... accordingly, and the bid for victory grew. First, three rubles each, then five rubles each, and soon in the red dime. As a result, he outplayed the famous grandmaster under the nut and took 365 rubles from there (as I remember this amount now). And then it was very decent money, who remembers. wink
      1. himRa
        himRa 11 October 2017 05: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        As a result, he outplayed the famous grandmaster under the nut and took 365 rubles from there (as I remember this amount now). And then it was very decent money, who remembers.

        You could buy a motorcycle ,, sunrise ,,
        And on ,, chervonets ,, (10p) to sit in ,, tavern ,, drinks
        Here's a quick chess is of course something !!!! He was also afraid of such players, namely time pressure ..
        Actually, none of the members of the forum noted one property of chess that is very useful for children - concentration of attention, the need to concentrate and the ability to weaken concentration ... hi
      2. bk316
        bk316 11 October 2017 13: 39 New
        +3
        Ну вот а Вы про покер и азарт, блиц такая азартная штука адреналин из ушей капает.
  22. Zubr
    Zubr 10 October 2017 18: 31 New
    +6
    Absurd stupidity! Remember, we had mugs at school, chess, radio, sports, a wagon and a small cart, etc. and professionals taught them to us. Everyone chose what they wanted and who has a predisposition. It would be better to return the methods of Soviet education of the 80-s, with adjustments according to the new time, but by order of the ministry, otherwise they will come up with a recommendatory character. And this is just an add-on of useless hours to any gouging "who wants" .... THIS IS ANOTHER PROFANATION! And eating up budget funds!
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 18: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Zubr
      Remember, we had mugs at school, chess, radio, sports, a wagon and a small cart, etc. and professionals taught them to us. Everyone chose what they wanted and who has a predisposition. It would be better to return the methods of Soviet education of the 80s

      Да на счет кружков вы правы...На любой вкус и сколько талантов выявляли еще с детства ! В Космосе мы были первые именно по этому ..Шел отбор с самых низов талантливых мальчишек ! Хотя так было во всех сферах, директора крупнейших заводов начинали с подмастерьев и проходили все ступеньки ..И Генеральные секретари тоже самое! Путин кстате тоже из низов пришел к власти..И не дай Бог нынешние папенькины сыночки мажоры прорвутся в Кремль(а их много развелось)...Хана будет России, или вернее опять СМУТА и КРОВЬ!
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 10 October 2017 19: 04 New
        +5
        And there were as many optional classes, History, Physics, Mathematics, Astronomy. I finished the 10 class, got the rights of the machine operator of the 3 class. From all classes, only four of us got class, the rest are rural. Inquiries received that they handed over on a driving license of "B, C" category. 18 turned went to the traffic police received a driver's license. A radio club, I generally gave a ticket to life.
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 10 October 2017 18: 44 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum
    I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...? what
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 20: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum
      I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...? what

      Россия ищет свой оптимальный вариант, в новых реалиях бурного развития новейших технологий и информационных систем! А еще у нас большая утечка "мозгов" ...Скупают у нас их ,выжимают как лимон и бросают..Тут уже пора спецслужбу создавать противодействия и контроля утечки технологий и молодых ученых перспективных! И охранять их изначально...
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 10 October 2017 21: 09 New
        +1
        Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate. Maybe people will not run to the side.
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 21: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Shahno
          Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate. Maybe people will not run to the side.

          No Jews, first the Army and Navy! And then already .. There are many of you who divorced such a lot on the body of Russia! Science and technology require appropriate protection! It will now be difficult for us to deceive and promote Russia to us in turmoil and devastation. Better worry for yourself!
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 10 October 2017 21: 43 New
            +1
            We have the IDF and technology in the top five around the world. Lagging behind. Everything needs to be known.
            And I worry about myself, my children are in Russia.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 10 October 2017 22: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Shahno
          Here it is time for fundamental and applied science to at least a third of the funds that go to the war to allocate.

          you will be surprised but 90% of science is a derivative of military developments, even a man flew into space taking the place of a nuclear warhead
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 10 October 2017 23: 17 New
            0
            I won’t be surprised. Military science. By the way, how are you. F 35 catch up? Or we will fight back with patriotic slogans.
  24. win
    win 10 October 2017 18: 45 New
    +3
    African Americans are outraged that white always starts in chess.

    Politically correct chess was invented in the USA.
    They are not divided into black and white - all figures are gray
  25. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 October 2017 19: 38 New
    +5
    Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 10 October 2017 20: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.

      Интернет вводит некоторые коррективы в образования..И это хорошо , что Россия ищет золотую середину..А мы ее найдем обязательно и именно свою! hi
  26. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 10 October 2017 19: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: rpek32
    this is strange.

    Why is that strange? What will children have brains move? Strange koment, yes! And also to revive NVP and LABOR !!!
  27. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 10 October 2017 19: 45 New
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Sheer nonsense ... Instead of restoring the world's best education system, the number of subjects taught is meaningless, which leads to intellectual degradation. It is necessary to shoot for such initiatives.

    A chicken by the grain ...- do not forget !!! Not all at once, a bunch of liberoids in education, it takes time to catch them and send them to places not so remote ...
  28. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 10 October 2017 19: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Radikal
    The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum
    I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...? what

    Chess is not a mockery. Mockery is history and literature from Soros!
  29. evil partisan
    evil partisan 10 October 2017 20: 22 New
    +3
    As a former Chess CCM I can professionally declare:
    1. Chess perfectly develops memory, which is not harmful for children.
    2. Шахматы развивают кругозор, ибо история шахматных соревнований и биографии знаменитых шахматистов просто изобилуют интереснейшей и захватывающей информацией
    3. And most importantly: chess is taught to find optimal solutions in a very limited time, which is also very useful for young brains.
    It is only necessary not to allow chess to devour itself entirely. And there are not one or two such examples in my memory ...
    Although ... If the teaching of chess in schools will be treated in the same way as, for example, to history, then the last generation is clearly not threatened ...
  30. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 10 October 2017 20: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Blombir
    Quote: rpek32
    this is strange.

    What's so strange about that? Normal topic. Chess, who understands, trains the brain. This is such a thing in the head ugly, it also needs to be trained, like everything else.


    Now it’s fashionable to train the liver. Well, on the edge of the hand for precise coordination of the mouse. Alas...
  31. fa2998
    fa2998 10 October 2017 20: 58 New
    0
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: NEXUS
    I can only welcome this.

    Yes it seems to me and a lot of parents will only be "For"

    Do you know how many children died in the past year on fiscal culture? 211 children!
    IF CHESS IS SPORT, let them play chess instead of fiscal culture. Sports are not harmful if the board is not hit on the head! lol hi
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 11 October 2017 00: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: fa2998
      IF CHESS IS SPORT, let them play chess

      Yeah, sports. 3 times fought in chess tournaments ... sad
  32. armourer
    armourer 10 October 2017 21: 19 New
    0
    Rightly so, young people have forgotten how to think. Gadgets spoil people
  33. forsait
    forsait 10 October 2017 22: 07 New
    +1
    Chess is good, but optional !!! After all, the clock will be taken from the Russian language, literature, history, mathematics, etc. This is the hidden destruction of education.
  34. Izotovp
    Izotovp 11 October 2017 00: 51 New
    +2
    And why, tell me graciously, do you need this restriction in choosing a chess simulator? The same backgammon teaches not only direct logic, like chess, but, unlike chess, also with the addition of a random number!
    They would just bring logic back to school.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 11 October 2017 08: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Izotovp
      They would just bring logic back to school.

      And rhetoric! The history of religions is needed no earlier than 8th grade, but religion should be separate from state education.
      1. himRa
        himRa 11 October 2017 09: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Balu
        but religion should be separate from government education.

        If it comes to reduction ... religion first of all ,, under the knife !!!! ,,
        Very harmful this business is straight across Lenin -opium for the people ...
  35. Sige
    Sige 11 October 2017 09: 21 New
    +2
    Instead of physics and geography, chess and the foundations of Orthodox culture.
    The minimodex climbs out of his skin to corrode with the red-hot iron the “heavy” legacy of the best Soviet education in the world.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 11 October 2017 11: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Quote: Radikal
    The Ministry of Education and Science introduces chess into the school curriculum
    I wonder when the mockery of the School will end ...? what

    Россия ищет свой оптимальный вариант, в новых реалиях бурного развития новейших технологий и информационных систем! А еще у нас большая утечка "мозгов" ...Скупают у нас их ,выжимают как лимон и бросают..Тут уже пора спецслужбу создавать противодействия и контроля утечки технологий и молодых ученых перспективных! И охранять их изначально...

    26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years! No wonder the Germans spoke. that Soviet teachers defeated them in the war (maybe not literally, but the essence is just that). Soviet education was the best in the world! At what time did you yourself study, do you not consider yourself uneducated? Who do you want to hang "noodles" about "the best option !? fool
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 16: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years!

      I agree with you ... But in those days there was no Internet and media bought "by some comrades in the bud"! Now it’s 100 times more difficult to keep the defense in the hearts of our children and grandchildren! We stand to death, in front of the Tolerasts of all stripes .. hi
      1. himRa
        himRa 11 October 2017 16: 56 New
        +1
        - could you love the radical?
        - for what!!!!?
        Vitaly, is he right !!!?
  37. Will
    Will 11 October 2017 12: 09 New
    +1
    Chess is great! Learn to think. wink
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 11 October 2017 12: 59 New
      +4
      In principle, out-of-school education / upbringing was very well developed in the union.
      There were chess and applied circles ... there were sales in the house management.
      At school? I don’t know ... the students are already loaded at the most - the most, and chess is, albeit for the mind, but also for the soul.
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 11 October 2017 16: 42 New
    0
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Quote: Radikal
    26 years have passed since the counter-revolutionary coup, so where is this "best option"? The Bolsheviks eliminated illiteracy in 20 years!

    I agree with you ... But in those days there was no Internet and media bought "by some comrades in the bud"! Now it’s 100 times more difficult to keep the defense in the hearts of our children and grandchildren! We stand to death, in front of the Tolerasts of all stripes .. hi

    hi
    1. himRa
      himRa 11 October 2017 16: 58 New
      +1
      Not okay! You're right .... these are excuses!