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"In this gangster way 60% of the Pacific Fleet was sold"

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History with the hijacking of missile boats in the main base of the Baltic Fleet only at first glance it looks harmless. Yes, the comments of the military are quite convincing, and the boats, most likely, were really just taken away for scrap metal. However, it was thanks to similar schemes that the Russian fleet after the collapse of the USSR was subjected to unprecedented looting.




Two combat missile boats disappeared from the harbor water area in the town of Baltiysk (Kaliningrad Region), Mash telegram channel reported on Friday. Later, the sensation was partly dispelled. The boats were written off, and the director of the company, to which the ships were sold by the Ministry of Defense for disposal, informed the police about the disappearance of the ships. “If this could happen, then, most likely, in tow, they dragged somewhere; it is scrap metal ", - declared RIA"News»In the press service of the Western Military District for the Baltic Fleet.

But scrap metal is very expensive. “Such a ship can be“ removed ”from 50 to 80 million rubles, and if the equipment was not removed, then even more. It all depends on the state of the metal, there is a lot of non-ferrous and precious metal on ships, ”remarked Boris Reznik, a member of the Presidium of the National Anti-Corruption Committee, member of the third and fourth convocations. Take, for example, hovercraft, whose hull (weighing several tens of tons) is made of aluminum alloy - from each such ship, according to experts, you can get up to 1 million dollars. Disposal of the boat will bring, of course, less income, but still very profitable.

The extent of disposal can be found in documents published by the Ministry of Defense itself. For example, in 2014, the Ministry posted on the official website a list of property put up for auction - including decommissioned ships and vessels of the Baltic and Northern Fleets. In the list you can find two small anti-submarine ships (one relatively new - built in 1988), a large landing ship built in 1989, as well as two base and three raid minesweepers. Moreover, as noted in June this year, the Internet portal Flot.com, deductible minesweepers remain without replacement due to the lack of replenishment fleet vessels of this type.

"Utilization of glands" is transferred to private owners

In the case of ships "missing" from Baltiysk, this is a question of the former rocket boats of the 205 project, says Captain I rank, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Sivkov. “They had a displacement of about 205 tons. They were equipped with the P-15M cruise missiles, two 30-mm AK-230 twin guns and the simplest electronic equipment. Commanders of such a ship are lieutenants and senior lieutenants, ”the military expert explained in his commentary to the newspaper VIEW.

Sivkov noted that when it comes to such small waterways, there is a practice of transferring them for utilization to individuals. With the big ships, he says, this is not the case, as private owners simply cannot do it.

“The defense department should hand over in the prescribed manner, not dispose of through commercial structures, and transfer to the Federal Property Management Agency. And already this (structure) should hold contests, and on their basis should already be given for recycling, ”emphasizes Boris Reznik. In the meantime, warships are the subject of commercial disputes and even thefts. This was especially common in the first decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It would be impossible to secretly take out the boat

By itself, the news about the “stealing of the century” from the harbor of Baltiysk rather reminds of a dispute between economic entities, and not the embezzlement of a military unit from the Baltic Fleet. Let us explain - the internal water area of ​​Russia is comparable in its maneuverability with any airport. In order to move an object from point A to point B, you need to go through a lot of approvals, starting with a request from the dispatcher.

These two boats were not on the move. They were led under the tug through the shipping channel. And this can be done only by requesting permission from the operational duty officer of the Baltic naval base and from the civil navigation manager. The “secret crime drama” is becoming a bit naive: in order to steal something, you need to request permission from a large number of instances. Hypothetically towing a non-self-propelled object along the navigable channel is like taking a loader to a landing strip of an airfield without demand. This is a priori impossible, it will be immediately noticed. There are lots of observation points.

So the fact of secret theft of two boats seems doubtful. But the official sale of combat ships under the guise of scrap metal was, alas, a very frequent fact.

The Minkin Case

Until recently, it was a frantic business with millions of turns, accompanied by gangster clashes. The most paradoxical thing is that in the nineties and zero years, when this business was in full bloom, there were not criminal authorities behind this, but high-ranking military officials.

An example is captain of the first rank Vladimir Minkin from the 11 division of the Baltic Fleet.

He organized on his ships, which is more than 25 units, a system that any criminal authority would envy.

He successfully copied the engines, transferring them from one category to another. After that, the engine went to "fraternal" Poland, and Mr. Minkin received very good gesheft. And the mechanics involved in this scheme received what they needed from the father-commander, for example, improvement of living space or assignment to the academy. The system worked. Minkin was convicted in 2005 year. He was given a ridiculous period of three years, and his two accomplices in general were arbitrary.

When the old ship or the old mechanism is written off, there is nothing terrible in it. But, unfortunately, in those years, enterprising bureaucrats in uniform

On paper, the deliberately new elements of weapons were transferred to an indecent state and pushed to the left, receiving fabulous fees for this.

To date, such large scandals do not arise on the Baltic Fleet, unless we assume that it has become smarter to steal.

“In general, it is still necessary to understand whether it is scrap metal. In this gangster way - “for scrap” - at one time 60% of the Pacific Fleet was sold, ”emphasizes Boris Reznik.

"Routine work" of the cruisers "Minsk" and "Novorossiysk"

One of the most notorious examples of this sad phenomenon was the scandal around the “utilization” of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruisers (TAKR) “Minsk” and “Novorossiysk”, which were decommissioned in 1994, which were in service with the Pacific Fleet. “They were sent to the South Korean port of Pusan, as they say,“ on nails, ”recalls Boris Reznik. - A liquidation statement was approved, in which 11 admirals confirmed that the ships were in the “empty” state. This implied: all equipment and weapons were removed from them and transferred for storage to the warehouses of the Pacific Fleet. ”

The ships had to leave, and the last thing to do was to put a stamp on the customs in Sovetskaya Gavan. “Usually this is a routine matter, no one is watching. But this was helped by the curiosity of a young employee of the Vanino Customs. He decided not to disturb the customs officer. But out of curiosity, the assault ladder climbed to one of the decks (to the height of an 10-storey building, but the guy is a former paratrooper) and saw that everything was cluttered and something was covered with a mat. He threw this mat out and saw that there were aiming systems, volley fire systems, more than 200 units of top secret weapons ... In lubrication, in combat condition and with appropriate documentation, ”says Resnik.

According to the source, the TAKRs were sold to the South Korean side for just 4 million dollars for each ship, like ferrous metal.

“At the same time, the ship had 480 kilometers of red copper pipes, a cable filled with precious metals and a lot of other equipment, the tanks were filled with fuel to the eye - the price was billions,” emphasizes Resnik.

The story, including the efforts of the interlocutor, received a response in the media. “A criminal case was initiated in which the blame was laid on Rear Admiral, who had already died by that time - and the case was terminated due to death. But let me remind you that the admirals of the fleet, Igor Kasatonov (at that time, the Chief of the General Staff of the Navy) and the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Admiral Igor Khmelnov, approved the 11 signatures of the admirals, plus the deal, ”noted Resnik.

Such large ships for sale in the Russian Navy is almost gone. Perhaps that is why news about the sale of only small rocket boats for scrap comes.
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  1. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 10 October 2017 15: 27 New
    +4
    When will these werewolves in uniform be stopped? And who???
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 10 October 2017 15: 40 New
      +7
      But I remind you that the signatures of 11 admirals were present, plus the deal was approved by Fleet Admiral Igor Kasatonov (at that time - Chief of the Navy Main Staff) and Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Igor Khmelnov ”

      ANOTHER 30-50 YEARS ARE NOT DISPATCHED
      MAGAZINES LIEED ABOUT 3-5 YEARS OF "ORIGINAL ACCUMULATION"
      ALL OUR LIFE - ONE 12 BILLION DOLL, DR -10 THOUSAND DOLL NEEDS TO DROP UP AND EXCEED VEKSELBERG (ON EGGS) AND PROKHOROV (ON CLUB BASKET + DRAWER)
      1. ID90
        ID90 10 October 2017 16: 09 New
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        and where are the URI comments
        or is everyone busy discussing dill or yankee?
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 10 October 2017 16: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: ID90
          and where are the URI comments
          or is everyone busy discussing dill or yankee?

          But the point is Ivan, it’s not about dill or the Yankees, the problem is that there is nowhere to get the second Stalin, maybe there is, but we don’t see both Uryapatriot and the all-propagator will have the opportunity to steal in the same way.
          1. ID90
            ID90 10 October 2017 17: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: vovanpain
            Quote: ID90
            and where are the URI comments
            or is everyone busy discussing dill or yankee?

            But the point is Ivan, it’s not about dill or the Yankees, the problem is that there is nowhere to get the second Stalin, maybe there is, but we don’t see both Uryapatriot and the all-propagator will have the opportunity to steal in the same way.

            Good day, Vladimir.
            I wanted to say that about internal problems cause much less interest than nonsense about Yankees or dill.
            and the article causes a bad nostalgia.
            in the 90s, I had a girlfriend, and she had a grandfather, Admiral Black Sea Fleet.
            for a bottle of Bastardo, he talked a lot of interesting things about the sale of ships for needles. then it seemed cool, but now it's terrible to remember.
            1. vovanpain
              vovanpain 10 October 2017 18: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: ID90
              for a bottle of Bastardo, he talked a lot of interesting things about the sale of ships for needles. then it seemed cool, but now it's terrible to remember

              And good day to you Ivan! hi Let’s recall those times when enterprises also pulled needles, it’s so terrible, and now they drag it from impunity too. Only the sizes are different, the higher the rank, the greater the scale of the stolen and less punishment. hi
          2. Conductor
            Conductor 10 October 2017 19: 27 New
            +3
            I.I. Sechin, the head of Rosneft, he, what did Yu from the foreman go to the head? This GDP, forgive me, the moderator.
          3. unknown
            unknown 14 October 2017 10: 16 New
            0
            Singapore had its own Stalin-Lee Kuan Y.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 11 October 2017 08: 18 New
          +7
          Quote: ID90
          and where are the URI comments

          Well, what does the URAPatriota have to do with it? In the article on the theft of the fleet, only one surname is indicated, a certain zits chairman Minkin, but I, mister liberal, will disappoint you wink . The main characters were the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy (92-97 of the year) Admiral of the Fleet Gromov nicknamed Iron Felix and the Admiral of the Fleet Kuroyedov (93-94 g. NS BF, 94-97 g. Commander of Pacific Fleet, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy RF). "Iron Felex" after the resignation became the general director of LLC "Vtormetinvest"! Gromov’s most popular phrase, “Two fleets is enough for me!”
          But it all started with the directive of the DF-7 Group of Companies launched by the last Commander-in-Chief of the Navy of the USSR. The directive demanded from the fleet command to find extrabudgetary sources of funding. But the directive DF-7 itself was born thanks to the order of the Minister of Defense Shaposhnikov from 5.09.91. "In the context of the country's political and economic transformations, the urgent need for a profound reform of the USSR Armed Forces and their entry into a market economy ... I propose ... Expand the sources of self-financing of military units ... More fully combine combat training with the provision of ... services for a fee ... Expand the rights of commanders ... by the conclusion of contracts ... Continue work on the sale of military-technical property ... "
          So Mr. ID90 is your liberal business !!! am
        3. aiden
          aiden 12 October 2017 02: 30 New
          +3
          Here is the comment of the urapatriot - to unearth the entire chain of robbers, to confiscate all property, to put families on loans to pay for the stolen in 1000 times. That's all
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 11 October 2017 08: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: antivirus
        plus the deal was approved by Fleet Admiral Igor Kasatonov (at that time - Chief of the Main Staff of the Navy) and Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Igor Khmelnov "

        Here my friend Anti-Virus, the interests of Mr. Grachev and Mr. Gromov clashed, since Khmelnov was a henchman of Grachev and dug under Gromov, and Kasatanov, out of kindness and lack of understanding of the rules of the undercover fight, became a convenient weapon in the hands of both Grachev and Gromov hi
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 10 October 2017 16: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: 16112014nk
      When will these werewolves in uniform be stopped? And who???

      Never! Because in our very modern society the root of injustice is laid. Everything is stolen from us. Anyone who can do this. And everyone knows that. In Russia, our main values ​​are such, money comes first. And while thieves and corrupt officials will rule us, it will still be. Occasionally, landings, even as loud as those of the minister or the governor, cannot be fixed. Because we go to power not to make the country richer, but to enrich ourselves. Does anyone need proof of this?
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 10 October 2017 21: 33 New
        +2
        I agree with almost all of your comments.
        True, here-
        Never ... And while thieves and corrupt officials will rule us
        as if mutually exclusive of each other.
        And for the rest, yes - point landings, like point building, only annoy people.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 11 October 2017 09: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: 16112014nk
          Never ... And while thieves and corrupt officials will rule us
          as if mutually exclusive of each other.

          It was meant, never - in the current relations in society, in the current system, until it changes to a more equitable one.
        2. unknown
          unknown 14 October 2017 10: 19 New
          0
          Lee Kuan Yew fought corruption in Singapore for forty years. Uprooted. And this is in an Asian country.
          Can't we? We can. But we don’t want to.
      2. Soho
        Soho 11 October 2017 05: 23 New
        +2
        Stas157 Yesterday, 16:35
        And while thieves and corrupt officials will rule us

        do not make me laugh. All these "thieves and corrupt officials" did not fall from the moon. They grew up in our own environment, in our own society. That is, if any of these "us" is elevated and led to the feeding trough, then with a high degree of probability there will be a miracle of transformation - from yesterday’s champion of purity, exclaiming “Dokole ?!” in anger, there will be another worker of money-grubbing and greed.
        And the problem is not the lack of a legislative framework (it exists). And not in the inevitability of punishment (in China, corrupt officials are shot, but they are not getting smaller). And it’s not in Putin’s come, order in sight (try to break down a system that has such deep roots that they go back to culture itself).
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 11 October 2017 09: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: Soho
          do not make me laugh. All these "thieves and corrupt officials" did not fall from the moon. They grew up in our own environment, in our own society. That is, if any of these "us" is elevated and led to the feeding trough, then with a high degree of probability there will be a miracle of transformation - from yesterday’s champion of purity, exclaiming “Dokole ?!” in anger, there will be another worker of money-grubbing and greed.
          And the problem is not the lack of a legislative framework (it exists).

          I agree with you. We have no contradictions here. With the current system, it will be so! The reason I indicated why. And if you change the cause, then the effect will change. Take the same thieves and corrupt officials - 99% of them under the Sov. The Union did not steal! There were NOT such volumes of theft, because relations in society were fairer.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 12 October 2017 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Soho
          (try breaking a system that has such deep roots that they go back to the culture itself).

          Heh, he somehow happened to hear such a statement: "Here, in Russia, anyone can be imprisoned for ten years, and at heart everyone will know why." Yes, the thing is ... yes
    3. maratenok
      maratenok 10 October 2017 22: 00 New
      +1
      when everything will be like in china, shooting
  2. g1v2
    g1v2 10 October 2017 16: 11 New
    +7
    Yes, in the 90s of which only it was not for sale. And you are Serdyukov. request Long before him, officers worked out such schemes that Mom did not cry. Only the regiments who took the militants to Chechnya from the encirclement for what they cost. What about missile weapons leaving for China under the guise of scrap? I'm not talking about the grassroots level and fraud with fuel and lubricants. A friend commanded the fuel and lubricants warehouse, so he could write a poem about how the fuel left and how the checks passed.
    I really hope that all this remains in that old army. soldier
  3. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 10 October 2017 16: 52 New
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    Can you think now these schemes do not work? And how many decommissioned submarines, both nuclear and diesel. Is it because the Condor project is trying to write off that there is only one titanium ... Mama Do not Cry. Human greed does not know borders, all the more so, everything goes unpunished. And someone on this site then begins to smartly say that the budget of the Russian Federation is not able to contain so much “iron”. For this there is the only sobering means of execution !!! And for lobbying or propagation of write-off-zone! There was a case at the BF — they raised a sunken, it seems a German submarine, but not for a second-hand ship, but they restored and put into operation !!! And in the 90s, all 18 SSBNs "Murena" that had not served for 20 years, under the cutter, 705e, "Lyra" under the cutter / titanium after all, sacred to the "metal lovers." All the commanders-in-chief of the Navy of those years were in the know, and in proportion!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 10 October 2017 18: 07 New
      10
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Human greed knows no bounds, moreover, everything goes unpunished

      As long as we have a “fair” system, when they give 3 years of a real term for stolen chicken, and 3 years for conditionally stolen billions, then there will be no order in the country request
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 11 October 2017 08: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Rurikovich
        there will be no order in the country

        hi Greetings to the fighters with nesunami laughing !!!
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 11 October 2017 08: 50 New
          +3
          My regards! drinks hi
          The fact is that the milkmaid who "stole" a liter of milk on the robot for food, because at home three children and salaries to feed them, is not enough, the state is a bigger enemy than a bad person, pulling everything that lies badly (and even more) for personal enrichment. That’s the trouble ... request
          "our people do not steal, but compensate for the losses incurred by the state" laughing
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 11 October 2017 09: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Rurikovich
            "our people do not steal, but compensate for the losses incurred by the state"

            laughing This theory is eternal in the vastness of Russia! The venerable Anton Palych was indignant at the officials of Sakhalin!
            drinks
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 11 October 2017 08: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      The BF was a case-raised a sunken, it seems a German submarine, but not for the second-hand goods, but restored and put into operation !!!

      what Interesting story!!! And detail????
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 12 October 2017 13: 49 New
        0
        I sent you in a personal, and there is also a link to German, 1944 / in the Original /
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 12 October 2017 14: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          I sent you in a personal, and there is also a link to German, 1944 year

          laughing Eugene, I'm sorry, I mixed up the topic (The story about Mozund branch)
          If you are about U-250, then you didn’t enter it, but it became the prototype of the famous Soviet boat, pr.613
          Best regards hi
  4. Dedall
    Dedall 10 October 2017 18: 00 New
    +3
    Most likely, the story with a young customs officer is a fairy tale for the layman. But in fact, this is someone from the FSB who was not paid, organized a "random discovery." Well, the most implausible option is the patriotism of this very “face”. The saddest thing is that no one was shot or even jailed. By the way, for the military they could have been shot and kept in the Criminal Code.
  5. knn54
    knn54 10 October 2017 18: 09 New
    +4
    According to Admiral Valentin Selivanov, chief of the General Staff of the Navy, Russia lost up to 90% of surface ships, submarines and combat aircraft in the 85s. Over the past 20 years, the Russian Navy has lost more ships than during World War II.
    http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/novosti_mo_i_mvd_
    rf / kto_i_kak_prodaval_flot / 12-1-0-17284-Who and how sold the fleet.
    PS 1. The rigor of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their implementation.
    2. There are legions of tomboys who have the language of the “state”, and in their thoughts - a pie with breech filling ...
    M. E Saltykov-Shchedrin - ~ 1,5 centuries passed, but nothing has changed!
  6. captain
    captain 10 October 2017 18: 18 New
    +1
    And how much they sold in the Northern Fleet, and what kind of fraud they scrolled around. I don’t want to write about this, otherwise our cheers will be considered a liberalist.
  7. Conductor
    Conductor 10 October 2017 19: 20 New
    +1
    And where these admirals did not even have the honor, they didn’t have it, just a man’s word.
  8. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 10 October 2017 19: 37 New
    +6
    So we are all in that thieves' system and live. Cosmetic repairs no longer help, but it’s scary to change the system with which only a handful of renegades feed on them, you can shed a lot of blood. And the West holds the balls not weak. Our bosses are up and down and don’t know what to do - smart or beautiful ... And then mattresses do not allow to concentrate on smart thoughts ...
  9. Cadet
    Cadet 10 October 2017 21: 05 New
    +1
    This case about a young customs officer was shown and told in the program Moment of Truth with Karaulov.
    1. faiver
      faiver 11 October 2017 16: 07 New
      +1
      Mr. Sentry works for money, he never reveals the truth, but shows the "truth" of one of the parties to the conflict ...
  10. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 10 October 2017 22: 20 New
    +6
    Hang signers according to the old pirate tradition on knock-outs. For this you can use Kruzenshtern or Comrade. Hang a dozen - thousands will think. A friend told me (a whole general, but correct) how on one of the recent wars, the military counterintelligence opera took a major rear guard selling different ammunition supplies to bearded men. They brought the major only because immediately after the arrest, the guard was not weak to him. Although the guard sometimes turned away with understanding, when the major combat creatures strove to criticize the berets ...
    He was asked, "Well, what did the female sabaki do?" But they shot at us with this?
    And he answered, “What can I do?” On what he sat, he was trading. There would be sausage, of course it would be better for her to trade.
    Hang for this. HANG!!! Depriving ranks and orders.
    1. Astoria
      Astoria 11 October 2017 08: 23 New
      +1
      You can certainly hang, but it’s better to roll concrete with relatives.
  11. Admiral Ben Bow
    Admiral Ben Bow 11 October 2017 01: 25 New
    +3
    How many ships stood in the Vladivostok Golden Horn ... Now there are few of them. Of course, there was a lot of junk, which does not make sense, but ... I doubt that the state got the money from their sale. If so many admirals have signed, then this thread will stretch into very high offices. There they will cut it ...