What forces are working to destroy Russia?

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DayTV Chief Editor Andrei Fefelov and Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS Countries Igor Shishkin talk about Russian citizens who do not see their country, its history, culture and people. Is there any such people in every society and how is the existence of such a layer dangerous for the state? As representatives of this anti-system, they manifested themselves in different periods of our recent history, and what, according to Gumilev, is their common distinguishing feature.



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    1. +6
      October 4 2017
      What forces are working to destroy Russia?
      liberal-oligarchic system of power.
      1. +1
        October 4 2017
        Quote: Dead Day
        What forces are working to destroy Russia?
        liberal-oligarchic system of power.

        Suggest “reasonably” another. They are ready to listen.
        1. +5
          October 4 2017
          Quote: Horst78
          Suggest “reasonably” another. They are ready to listen.

          Are you socially oriented? me yes.
      2. +2
        October 4 2017
        Quote: Dead Day
        What forces are working to destroy Russia?
        liberal-oligarchic system of power.

        Yes you? And how many people do not belong to the oligarchs, but what about the champions of socialism who hate the history of the Russian Empire, And the champions of tsarist Russia who hate the history of the USSR.
        1. 0
          October 9 2017
          The oligarchy in the Russian version passively contributes to the economic imbalance between Moscow and the Regions, which leads to a lack of social justice. In the understanding of a Russian, justice is when, with equal work, a neighbor cannot be much better. Comparing prices and salaries in Moscow and in the Region, people grow outraged, which develops into interethnic, intergroup or interfaith discord.
    2. 0
      October 4 2017
      Quote: Dead Day
      Quote: Horst78
      Suggest “reasonably” another. They are ready to listen.

      Are you socially oriented? me yes.

      Me, in principle, too. BUT? How to do it? No lyrics. Without pathos? There are options?
      1. +4
        October 5 2017
        Quote: Horst78
        There are options?

        To begin to decide ..., skem you.

        Then understand who the true enemy is.
      2. 0
        October 9 2017
        Here is my option
        Every Russian patriot is looking for a way out of the crisis. The question is: what course to support, so that it is good to live in it and have pride in the nation? In the article, I tried to analyze two common opinions and present my view on the political system, which is worthy of the heirs of the most free state on the planet.
        Readers of VO who care about the bright future of Russia were divided into 2 camps. The former offer to follow the current course with the hope that Putin can lead the country from the crisis to capitalism with a “human” face, while others say that it is necessary to come to Stalinist socialism.
        Stalinist socialism will demand a revolution, since the elite has long been no longer ours and to their own detriment, they will not voluntarily give up property or power, and surrounded by enemies, the revolution will end with an intervention that we will have nothing to overpower. I like the ideas of socialism, communism and subsequent eudaemony. But they lead to the destruction of Russia within its borders. China is no longer an agrarian country, the means for delivering military equipment from the enemy are now an order of magnitude greater than in 17, the United States is clearly not limited to a couple of tanks in Primorye. In the year 17, the revolution "passed" because our enemies were not ready to deliver troops to the territory of Russia as soon as possible.
        Russia needs to be modernized only by evolutionary methods.
        Our oligarchs, with the connivance of the authorities, centralizing the economy in Moscow, do not think about the possibility of the appearance of analogues of Donbass on our territory. And, believe me, the West will vehemently support such hotbeds of tension.
        Russia now keeps from riot only a premonition of war. If now the West "forgets about us" for 5 years with the same course of the oligarchocracy, the regions will flare up and we will become the second Ukraine. If the West continues to push, then the people will endure, but how long will their patience continue at the current rate? We will gradually come to a situation of 17 years. And this again threatens rebellion. One of the highest values ​​of the Soviet man, as well as his children, is JUSTICE. Or, more precisely, the concept of "with equal work, a neighbor can only be slightly better." But think about who became our neighbors in the information age? Neighbors are no longer neighboring houses or even neighborhoods; neighbors are residents of neighboring cities and even countries. People want this very social justice.
        In such an environment, people need a mechanism to relieve tension. With the connivance of the authorities, this mechanism now serves as interethnic, intergroup, and interfaith discord within the country. This path leads either to anarchy or to a society of total control, and certainly there can be no talk of any progressive state. Total control, let alone anarchy, is weak against threats from without. Here you can recall the parable of the twig and broomstick.
        You can throw stones that you’re not a patriot, that I strongly exaggerate or cry in a vest with the words "we will all die." But the information society gives us a unique key to a self-regulatory society, where revolutions and riots will only be on the Internet. I call this social model "infocracy." A society where feedback provides an opportunity for a citizen to participate in the adoption of certain laws or legal acts, simply casting a vote for or against. This society is a prototype of a society of the future called "cybernet" - a society in which management is entrusted to artificial intelligence, and all members of the society have advisory functions with AI. Moreover, the AI ​​has only 1/3 of the vote against a possible 2/3 of the votes of members of the company.
        Infocracy is built on this principle. Where, when adopting the law at the initial stage, the president has 10% of the vote, the thought of 30%, the people 60%. When adopting legal acts, the official (president) will have 40% of the vote, his electorate - 60%. If the people are well enough, the majority does not vote, and the elected government rules the state.
        Under the infocracy, the work of political parties with the electorate plays an important role, because it is an opportunity even in the absence of a majority in the Duma to adopt the laws necessary for society. There should also be a mechanism of social tasks for the executive branch. I think the inhabitants of the small town really know that they need repairs in the kindergarten or a new office apartment for the mayor. Also, people can vote in a vote of no confidence to an official or legislative body. This is the key to defeating corruption.
        Sudden changes are limited by the constitution, which is allowed to be changed no more than once every 50 (?) Years. For wars and natural disasters there must be an emergency mechanism. Which is renewed by the same vote.
        To implement the project, you will need:
        1. Enter the electronic passport of the citizen (guest of the country) and restrict Internet access for subjects anonymous to the state.
        2. Create 3 state data centers with the possibility of mutual backup under the protection of the armed forces.
        3. Create a multifunctional citizen’s office linked to an electronic passport, from which Internet access, voting, access to censorship, access to laws and regulations in force in the Russian Federation, access to a system of patents and copyright certificates will be made.
        4. Amend the constitution by describing an electronic governance system.


        What is not an option?
    3. 0
      October 4 2017
      Not only haters, but also patriots and anyone can work on destroyed countries. Here I advise you to look too. And compare with today's situation. The difference is in technology and the situation as well. Pavel pepper visiting the goblin Puchkov!

      https://youtu.be/Whax1ApF2N4
    4. 0
      October 4 2017
      Well, of course, the liberals. Mysterious scary liberals whom no one saw the meaning of the name no one understands But everyone knows how bad they are.
      1. +4
        October 4 2017
        And then the liberals? You might think that our people are happy with the price increase. rising taxes and utilities. The authorities are ready to forgive billions of dollars to strangers and will sue their own for 200 rubles. It is necessary to change the constitution and then the economic course of the country. Our beloved high-ranking president does not want to transplant thieves. that means he must also leave. But he doesn’t even drive out worthless ministers. We made a mess of the whole world with Wim Avia, so what? We thought that the president would come from the security forces, well, he’ll definitely put things in order as in Singapore or Malaysia, and during his reign, they repaid the public debt and collected it again and the “elite” took out trillions of dollars from the country. The economy doesn’t work, and the Duma plays with laws about pedestrians and then about Tosca air hooligans
        1. +3
          October 5 2017
          Quote: Cossack 471
          We thought that the president would come from the security forces. Well, he’ll definitely restore order as in Singapore or Malaysia.

          And there was such a nonsense, "that you are uncle, I’m not a real welder"
          What were you thinking about, if a person unknown to anyone was put as a receiver for the highest state duty. What were you waiting for? What if it’s good? This is the price of naivety.
          Quote: Cossack 471
          and during his reign, the state debt was given back and scored again and the "elite" took out trillions of dollars from the country. The economy doesn’t work, and the Duma plays with laws about pedestrians and then about air hooligans

          Quote: Cossack 471
          Tosca

          When you stop yearning, begin to act. wink
    5. 0
      October 4 2017
      The first thing that harms Russia is the utopian concept of Democracy, which many understand as the power of the people, but it is not! Pseudo-democracy reigns around the world ... More John of Kronstadt said: Democracy is in hell, but heaven is the kingdom! Few understand these words ... But what he wrote is in the internet ... Read!
      Second - Liberalization! Even during the demolition of the Republic of Ingushetia, there were words that the Empire was destroyed by liberals !!! But what’s wrong? Indeed, liberalism also includes tolerance and so on. shnyaga, well, not inherent in our country! Tolerant to refugees raping children, tolerant to those who call to remove the Cross from the neck and the Temple, tolerant to degrading wives ... What you forgot, remember yourself ...
      The third weak Government under a strong President, and do not blame the President when his actions against some members of the government and the oligarchy will be called Kennedy’s syndrome ...
      Fourth, Fifth Column, media, EBNcenter, human rights defenders protecting the rights of all but us!
      Fifth external forces, Soros, Freemasons, Zionists, IMF, etc., etc. so that they burn !!!
      Further themselves ... I have dried up ...
      1. +1
        October 5 2017
        Quote: Hurricane70
        The third weak Government under a strong President, and do not blame the President when his actions against some members of the government and the oligarchy will be called Kennedy’s syndrome ...

        I know what syndrome its actions will be called.
    6. +1
      October 4 2017
      Russian people still have a lot easier than the Jews. They live in nature and in history, and Jews only in social reality. That is why they are so hopelessly ill.

      “Never, Russians, will you become normal people!”

      Driver Lena said:

      - On a tour of the center of Amsterdam, a local woman guide tells us: “You Russians will never become normal people, because you are not law-abiding!” We Dutch follow the law no matter what it costs us! Even if it is very difficult! For example, during the Second World War, we hid Jews from the Nazis. But in 1943, the German government issued a law under which the local population should extradite Jews to the appropriate authorities. Heavy? Yes. Not fair? Yes. But this is the law! We cried, but betrayed all the Jews in half an hour! Because we are law-abiding! Therefore, we have order. And you will always have a mess. Because you are crazy! ”
    7. +1
      October 4 2017
      Quote: Dead Day
      What forces are working to destroy Russia?
      liberal-oligarchic system of power.

      Grandfather because you don’t like to read and strain your mind? If only to tuck into the web from the stove?
    8. 0
      October 4 2017
      Quote: Wend
      Quote: Dead Day
      What forces are working to destroy Russia?
      liberal-oligarchic system of power.

      Yes you? And how many people do not belong to the oligarchs, but what about the champions of socialism who hate the history of the Russian Empire, And the champions of tsarist Russia who hate the history of the USSR.

      Well you drove !!! Everyone was silent ... Respect!
    9. +2
      October 4 2017
      The authorities themselves do this. Russia is simply a personal resource for them.
    10. 0
      October 5 2017
      Why do these hostile forces manage to hide for so long? Probably because they are very successfully disguised as ordinary citizens of Russia? Here you go along the street, you look - a citizen of Russia threw a cigarette butt on the sidewalk. It would seem - the average such a citizen, in a jacket and cap. Yes, there are millions of them ...
      And among these millions there are, it turns out, those who are cunning on their country deliberately in order to get lost in the crowd and avoid popular anger! And the remaining 90 percent do it ... And why do they do it?
    11. +1
      October 29 2017
      There are completely objective laws of physics that are applicable to the laws of relationships between various communities of people in this world. This justifies the fact that there can be no social collapse or capture by one country of another. The confrontation is endless because. that the very confrontation of various systems is an organizing part of the process of human existence. Based on these so-called. Relations is developing and scientific and technical competition. Therefore, you just need to love and protect your homeland, your culture and traditions of the ancestors. And develop to the extent of their positive desires and aspirations to make life both effective and blissful. Difficulties come themselves, but good is worth the effort.

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