In Voronezh, before the end of the year, defects in engines for Proton will be eliminated

Information Agency SM-News reports that at the Voronezh Mechanical Plant they gave Roskosmos an obligation to complete work on eliminating defects in engines and other nodes of Proton-M missiles before the end of 2017. According to some information, we are talking about dozens of engines previously withdrawn by representatives of the state corporation for space activities. The reason for the withdrawal is the detection of defects, which in some cases have manifested themselves during the launch of the launch vehicle that ended in a crash.

In "Roskosmos" previously reported on the recall of engines of the second and third stages of the carrier rocket "Proton-M". Stated that they have not passed all the necessary stages of verification.

Particular attention is drawn to the comment by the head of "Roskosmos" Igor Komarov on the causes of problems with engines manufactured at the Voronezh enterprise. It is stated that the reason lies not only in the violation of the so-called regulatory procedures for monitoring the workplace, but also in systematic violations of the inventory control of the materials used.

Igor Komarov quotes Newspaper.ru:

It was not timely detected at the warehouse, was not sufficiently controlled at the workplace, the master did not notice further - during the passage of further quality control procedures (...) The storekeeper had a serious injury, she left for a long time for sick leave, and for that period did not there was an elementary continuity in the work of storekeepers. It would seem funny storywhich arose in the absence of interaction of production and, let's say, warehousing and logistics, and led to quite serious consequences.

Recall that in the past, representatives of the corporation also suggested that the cause of the accidents with "Protons" associated with the "storekeeper". The version consisted in the use of inappropriate material for soldering, taken from a warehouse in Voronezh.

Comments

[Grandfather]

In Voronezh, before the end of the year, defects in engines for Proton will be eliminated

about how ... they gave money, or threatened ...? painfully cool solved the problem ... "OPUS", what do you say?

[iConst]

Quote: Dead Day

In Voronezh, before the end of the year, defects in engines for Proton will be eliminated

about how ... they gave money, or threatened ...? painfully cool solved the problem ... "OPUS", what do you say?

Yeah. And further:

The storekeeper had a serious injury, she went on sick leave for a long time

And - Khan - the plant got up.
And the janitor badly swept the territory ... Baby talk, the right word ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Dead Day

about how ... they gave money, or threatened ...? painfully cool solved the problem ..

There, at first, apparently, the "managers" were given the task of "optimizing" production in the sense of lowering production costs. We are no longer gaining a salary, but "sawing it is necessary", we decided to change the process by replacing some materials with others. Technologists with designers cheated something, due to intra-plant competence, the main one signed, but we can. Rogozin's son. But somewhere, something broke ...
If we consider that in the USSR such products were made in a five-fold supply and this is a minimum !!!

Quote: Dead Day

OPUS, what do you say?

Opus will surely say and bring pictures!
Waiting for Dear Opus

[Golovan Jack]

Well, you, as usual ... with two legs, but in a bowl of margarine ...

Quote: Stroporez

"managers" were given the task of "optimizing" production in the sense of lowering production costs

They wrote that they used just more expensive solder. It was a long time ago, looking lazily, but I have a good memory

Quote: Stroporez

Technologists with designers fought, due to intra-plant competence, the main one signed, but we can. Rogozin's son

Blood, sweat, sand and further down the list ... And most importantly, all this is just yours feverish ravings assumptions, but how many words ... of fire, let’s say (although in reality - not fire at all). Bravo!
By the way, "rang" or "pulled"? You already decide whether ...

Quote: Stroporez

Waiting for Dear Opus

Don't get on

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Golovan Jack

By the way, "rang" or "pulled"? You already decide whether ...

You need okley do not cling to a bukavu

Quote: Golovan Jack

They wrote that they used just more expensive solder.

"Dear" in the Russian Federation does not mean quality! already "in the teeth" stuck "East", "St. Petersburg stadium."
Under the cut "quality" nano-chubaysyatina is just the same option.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Don't get on

Well, why don’t you cling to your comrade and don’t swim in the rays of his glory
Ivashche, you’re yours with critics, I’m stopping watching a series about cops!


Threat

.Well, you, as usual ... with two legs, but in a bowl of margarine ...

A bowl of cement is what helps, I know for sure. But from what with "margarine"? Does Sun have a personal recipe? prostatitis? gout? migraine? You’re on the “first” with him soon! That's where Glory and honor from “mother Malysheva”

[maxim947]

No need to gloat so much, and dump everything in a heap and East and Zenith, etc. All these lamentations that they all plundered, etc. and already tired of many. Of course, a shitty situation, but not so much ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: maxim947

All these lamentations

Wailing grandmother on the bench!

Quote: maxim947

No need to gloat so much

Whose "gloating"? Disruption of the defense of the order or equivalent to it, how should be punished? grandmother's slander?
If you are the advocate of "devilishness" in the country, so be argued.

Quote: maxim947

and dump everything in a heap and East and Zenith, etc.

Are you sure that this is not the same thing?

Quote: maxim947

that everyone stole, etc. and already tired of many.

Then you need to consume seeds "from marfuni" - "made in the Russian Federation" to your grandmothers on the same bench.

Quote: maxim947

Of course, a shitty situation, but not so much ...

Try to evaluate how much?

[maxim947]

So you need this to grandmothers, who, if not they, can completely go in cycles over the years from empty to empty pour. Add more about polymers.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Golovan Jack
They wrote that they used just more expensive solder.
"Dear" in the Russian Federation does not mean quality!

Do not twist ... basin
Your words?

Quote: Stroporez

There, first, apparently, the "managers" were given the task of "optimizing" production in the sense of lowering production costs

That is, you, without really knowing anything, begin to weave about the "cost reduction".
Please tell me how this is compatible with the use of more expensive (but not suitable in terms of properties) solder
About the "basin with margarine" - this is a classic ... I found it at one time in Bobrov's "Age of Stillborn".
IMHO, very embossed and quite intuitive, ahem ... image, here!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Do not twist ... basin wink

Your ??? I follow myself and traditions! Patriarchal and traditional, you are not on my way with me

Quote: Golovan Jack

Please tell me how this is compatible with the use of more expensive (but not suitable in terms of properties) solder

Well, chew chewed, dear does not mean quality.
Open y., Any board, forehead Soviet "solder" defense !!! Your division! There is platinum-gold-silver ....
Now I say, specifically, the process has been disrupted. If you replaced the solder, who allowed? Such things were done not according to GOSTs, but according to the super-supper GOSTs (this is not a dedication), all this topic was held under the "vultures" and according to tolerances No. 1,2 ....
Those processes, the characteristics of the metals, alloys used ......................... and drills, including passed multiple control of compliance and quality.
Zy. You then worked on the defense industry, dear?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stroporez

You worked on the defense industry, dear?

Worked, worked ... and for a very long time, and very recently (though not for long).

But all this has nothing to do with the matter.

You got caught by the tongue Sling cutter. And you begin to bustle, like ... I don’t even know who.

Here you have the rest of it

[Sling cutter]

uote = Golovan Jack] Worked, worked ... a very long time, and very recently (though not for long). [/ quote]
Sweeping the workshop? [quote = Golovan Jack] But all this has nothing to do with the matter.
[/ Quote]
Will suit yours! [quote = Golovan Jack] You were caught by the tongue, Stroporez. And you begin to bustle, like ... I don’t even know who. [/ Quote]
For Russian? So I was born on it, on it like a thread and I will die, but not earlier than PVV, that's for sure!
If you have any specific technical arguments, assumptions, an adequate opinion, so you don’t be afraid to post it!
And then your ... looks funny

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Golovan Jack

By the way, "rang" or "pulled"? You already decide whether ...

You need okley do not cling to a bukavu

Quote: Golovan Jack

They wrote that they used just more expensive solder.

"Dear" in the Russian Federation does not mean quality! already "in the teeth" stuck "East", "St. Petersburg stadium."
Under the cut "quality" nano-chubaysyatina is just the same option.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Don't get on

Well, why don’t you cling to your comrade and don’t swim in the rays of his glory
Ivashche, you’re yours with critics, I’m stopping watching a series about cops!


Threat

.Well, you, as usual ... with two legs, but in a bowl of margarine ...

A bowl of cement is what helps, I know for sure. But from what with "margarine"? Does Sun have a personal recipe? prostatitis? gout? migraine? You’re on the “first” with him soon! That's where Glory and honor from “mother Malysheva”

Comments, by the way, are fair. You would be silent and think. Instead of daring and nonsense.

[Sling cutter]

One more adherent of the puinto
Why are you so many? incubator?
Give out your thoughts, perhaps smart ..
We will try to evaluate your knowledge, perhaps the smartest and most correct.
Or another lawyer for those
Who defeated the industry?
Self-burping, Colleague, not ....

[Pulya]

Give out your thoughts, perhaps smart ..
We will try to evaluate your knowledge, perhaps the smartest and most correct.

You already "gave out" your thoughts ... blowing bubbles into the pelvis
Be sure - many appreciated!

[avt]

Quote: Stroporez

One more adherent of the puinto

Well no. This is completely at least not hysterical aki

Quote: Stroporez

Why are you so many? incubator?

these are the navalators.

Quote: Stroporez

Give out your thoughts, perhaps smart ..

Googel to help and Claudia in the hands. Well, if you ask no one HOW Marshal Nedelin died solely by gouging from fear of Khrushchev. How the raw Soyuz was pushed out and Komarov with a heavy heart went to the start (thank God I had an opportunity to meet with eyewitnesses). By the way - Feoktistov wasn’t forgiven for this by identifying him as the culprits. Well, the apotheosis - find out exactly how the lead solder was burned on the filters why the heck start with 7 in Plisetsk. Then, if they are able to realize what was recognized, then with the next boiling of the brain in the "righteous" Navalny anger, substitute the head under a stream of cold water .... the main thing - do not confuse which one. But you can continue

Quote: Pulya

blowing bubbles into the pelvis

Potsriota portray in attempts to jump out to ,, general's epaulet "

Quote: Pulya

Udte sure - many appreciated!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: avt

Googel to help and Claudia in the hands. Well, if you ask no one HOW Marshal Nedelin died

I wonder how you correlate my knowledge, the facts stated by you and my komenty?
The fact that there was gouging is an indisputable fact, to which I have repeatedly witnessed.

Quote: avt

in ,, righteous "Navalnyat wrath, the head under the stream

I thought something like that, who will attribute me to the "bulkers", the "white bellies", the "maydanut"

Quote: avt

Potsriota portray in attempts to jump out to ,, general's epaulet "

Mdyayayaya ..., "Yurich" was right in his last comment ...
If you wrote me about epaulettes about four years ago, about conspiracies of “marshals”, about trampling “into skulls”, about Romanov’s friend “spender”, whom he later merged and how to jump out into “cardboard marshals” in two weeks perhaps this was some kind of, but the point.
Then now ..., "Everything that you found out, I forgot for a long time. The thing you wanted to become, I have long been ....".

Threat. Was in VO our friend "Wheel", in the world of Alex. At one time he was engaged in the development and improvement of the BZHDRK. Then he became no longer needed by the new government and went to the distant village of Perm Territory, not from resentment, no, from fuss.
We personally met and discussed many topics and rocket science, including
There are no others, but those farther ...
I have the honor.

[avt]

Quote: Stroporez

I thought something like that, who will attribute me to the "bulkers", the "white bellies", the "maydanut"

And only they reason in exactly this way, boiling the brain with the translation of the arrows, if at

Quote: Stroporez

The fact that there was gouging is an indisputable fact, to which I have repeatedly witnessed.

when you know the texture of Soviet times, you do not notice in your statements a DIRECT analogy with the cries of some 15-year-old from the rally, then this is your misfortune. I can only offer to stop and rethink (repentance / methane spend, or rethink it) If it’s really in the subject, then we should know - in Soviet times it didn’t. But of course, they didn’t steal money for a karmon, but sometimes they buried it in the ground just so that they would not cut funding for the next year, it wasn’t quite sour, plaguing kilometers of paper for drawings and reports.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: avt

If it’s real in the subject, then you should know - in Soviet times, and not so happened

It happened that it was a sin to hide and if everything was described with a lot of fuss since the days of the workshop "mastery" and as you progressed through the ranks, then the same "kilometer of paper"

Quote: avt

when you know the texture of Soviet times, you do not notice in your statements a DIRECT analogy with shouts

Knowing the "texture" I also know that everything worked, spun and spun. Which, in addition to the multi-stage OTK plant, there was also a system of military representatives.
But you will not argue that, despite all the "shoals", the industry worked and developed.

But of course, they didn’t steal money for karmon.

,
That's it!!! "I do not take bribes. It's a shame for the State"
But the fences in the cottages we still built from the bodies of defective rockets, filling the gaps with brass cutting
And the cottages themselves were built from rocket boxes, even the bark beetle is afraid of them

[bk316]

There, at first, apparently, the "managers" were given the task of "optimizing" production in the sense of lowering production costs. We are not gaining on the salary anymore, but "sawing it is necessary", we decided to change those processes by replacing some materials with others

Stop balabolite. People ask you how to use MORE EXPENSIVE solder, because of which everything happened to be consistent with the quote on COST REDUCTION?

You can’t answer, have the courage to admit that you are foolish.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Dead Day

In Voronezh, before the end of the year, defects in engines for Proton will be eliminated

about how ... they gave money, or threatened ...? painfully cool solved the problem ... "OPUS", what do you say?

To promise is not to marry. By the end of the year we will see.

[Crowe]

It is stated that they did not pass all the necessary verification steps.

And how then to understand it?

The reason for the recall is the detection of defects, which in some cases proved to be during launching of the launch vehicle, which ended in a crash.

And here is an absurd excuse

the storekeeper was seriously injured, she went on sick leave for a long time, and for this period there was no elementary continuity in the work of the storekeepers. It would seem a funny story that arose when]

and who will eventually be punished? A cleaning lady?
A solid mess lies lies lies

[slipped]

yeah, one phrase about the "wreck" of what it costs

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Crowe

and who will eventually be punished? A cleaning lady?

There’s a switchman!

Quote: Crowe

A solid mess lies lies lies

And without lies, the current government will not stand, even if now at least 1/10 of the truth is voiced through the fed.channels ..... and whoever is ... the nouveau riches will be tight.

[bk316]

And without lies, the current government will not stand, e

While basically dodge and you're lying here.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: bk316

While basically dodge and you're lying here.

justify or troyar.
What are you doing here? Troll little by little?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Crowe

It is stated that they did not pass all the necessary verification steps.

And how then to understand it?

The reason for the recall is the detection of defects, which in some cases proved to be during launching of the launch vehicle, which ended in a crash.

And here is an absurd excuse

the storekeeper was seriously injured, she went on sick leave for a long time, and for this period there was no elementary continuity in the work of the storekeepers. It would seem a funny story that arose when]

and who will eventually be punished? A cleaning lady?
A solid mess lies lies lies

Otherwise, if you don’t call the cause of the accident the fracture of the crates (this case was not invented, but in my practical life at the plant’s design bureau), when the military representative stopped accepting my product, then you have to give up a post in a large and warm city and go to the troops somewhere to Vorkuta and live in a hostel. During the elimination of marriage in the packaging workshop, several measures were taken to eliminate the real reason. What can you do, military representatives are also people and are also responsible for the delivery time of the product to the unit. Indicate then the REAL reason, it would be impossible to launch the product without capital and official commissions and events that the plant had not counted on.

In short, this is an excuse not to show the real reason for the return.

[NEXUS]

It would be said, and then at least the flood ... eliminate, and then declare ...

[Jedi]

In Voronezh, before the end of the year, defects in engines for Proton will be eliminated

Oh oh ???

[Gray brother]

Quote: Jedi

Oh oh ???

Yes, there are few of them left, the latter will shoot and that's it. There will be no more "protons."

[slipped]

The production of Proton-M will be discontinued after 2020. The number of engines has nothing to do with it.

[Gray brother]

Quote: slipped

The production of Proton-M will be discontinued after 2020.

In 2020, Khrunicheva should already be riveted to the Angara, otherwise she will not fly in 2021.

[slipped]

in 2021, “A5M” flies from Vostochny, after the construction of the “second stage”, production was launched at the Polet NGO in Omsk. The Proton-M rocket is made in Moscow. “A5” flies in 2018 from Plesetsk.

[Gray brother]

Quote: slipped

deployed to the NGO Flight in Omsk.

Hmm, it would be closer to bring from Korolev than from Omsk.

[slipped]

To the "East"?

[Scalpel]

For the Angara, the load should be appropriate, because the Angara is two times more expensive than Proton.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Scalpel

For the hangar, the load must be appropriate,

You can display more satellites at a time. Wholesale cheaper)))

[slipped]

And they say it has caught up already.

[Herculesic]

Actually, this is not a defect, but a crime, substitution of the soldering composition, which led, among other things, to the loss by our country of not only money not received from the canceled launch contracts, but also to a strong blow to the country's prestige.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Herkulesich

Actually, this is not a defect, but a crime, substitution of the soldering composition, which led, among other things, to the loss by our country of not only money not received from the canceled launch contracts, but also to a strong blow to the country's prestige.

sensors installed in an incomprehensible way wrong ... this is not even a crime ... this is already headless ... literally. starting from the top ...

[slipped]

sensors and soldering are different stories from different plants

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Herkulesich

Actually, this is not a defect, but a crime, substitution of the composition of soldering

It turns out the storekeeper is to blame for everything, I just have no words.
Voronezh. The cause of the crash of the Proton-M launch vehicle could be the wrong solder issued by the storekeeper, the Federal News Agency was informed in the Investigative Department of the RF IC for the Voronezh Region.
Investigators managed to find a precious solder, which, according to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, disappeared from the factory. It turned out that the solder did not disappear: just an elderly storekeeper mixed up and gave it out instead of the usual solder, which is not kept records. It was this mistake that could lead to an accident.
The fact is that during fitting and installation work, the sleeve must connect the steps with ordinary solder - 35th, and the workers, by mistake of the storekeeper, without checking the material, connected with a precious one - 1000th. At the 400th second of the flight, the solder was supposed to melt, and the sleeve was removed. But since the precious, heat-resistant, was installed at the factory, it naturally did not melt. Instead, the sleeve burned out and an engine accident occurred.
Exactly this version of what happened was established by investigators. At the moment, they are trying to find out how much the employees are to blame for this accident. Until the end of February, a procedural decision will be made. In any case, there is no verification of theft, since no one has stolen the precious solder.
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[Alexander 3]

As you can see, there are no trifles in rocket science. The control should be organized. After the incident, it was established but late.

[slipped]

I mean late? the rocket delivered the satellite to full-time orbit

[Alexander 3]

The incident took place and the high cost of eliminating the fault.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Anatol Klim

It turns out the storekeeper is to blame for everything

On sick leave was.

[slipped]

There were no “canceled contracts” for launches. The contract with the Spanish operator to launch their satellite on the RS-20V LV was canceled due to the termination of the Dnepr program.
All commercial contracts on the Proton-M LV are in operation. This year 3 of those in the queue have already been completed.

[APASUS]

They destroyed the system of military representatives, but the result was not long in coming!
I saw how the military representative forced to dismantle the diesel ship installation due to a badly twisted bolt. The people were very indignant, but the diesel passed a triple check

[Grandfather]

Quote: APASUS

They destroyed the system of military representatives, but the result was not long in coming!

from the word "military representative", I have a spasm all over my body ... instinctive ... there were animals. (and it is right)

[Berkut154]

Here is such a personnel system laid out with the help of effective managers with their optimization !!! There are no irreplaceable ones; outside the gates, the crowd in your place ... We have optimized. that because of one storekeeper (she’s not to blame), we’ll pump space !!!

[APASUS]

Quote: Berkut154

..Doptimized.

This is rather not optimization, but the modern crap of managers. I was promised that they would stand in my hats and say you can fail. I did not take long to wait.
I remember how the company sausages after the dismissal of a really competent, but not convenient employee for the arrogant bosses.

[UAZ 452]

Where how. I know first-hand that at least in the late Soviet (80s) military envoys at many enterprises lived with the management of factories in perfect harmony, having ample bonuses for fulfilling and overfulfilling the plan (officially or not - another question), therefore, especially to At the end of the year, their integrity was significantly reduced.

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: UAZ 452

Where how. I know first-hand that at least in the late Soviet (80s) military envoys at many enterprises lived with the management of factories in perfect harmony, having ample bonuses for fulfilling and overfulfilling the plan (officially or not - another question), therefore, especially to At the end of the year, their integrity was significantly reduced.

This is from the commissioned military envoys, idiocy.
The military representative received an apartment at the factory where he works. He receives an office, office equipment, and all household utensils from the factory. A service car when traveling to its management, if it is in a neighboring regional city, apartment renovation, home office phone and the rest .... Equally important - (at the time of a general shortage) - the canteen food supply without shops and queues. At the level of plant management.

[Gray brother]

Quote: APASUS

They destroyed the system of military representatives, but the result was not long in coming!

Have military representatives taken booster rockets? Are you confusing anything?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: APASUS

They destroyed the system of military representatives, but the result was not long in coming!
I saw how the military representative forced to dismantle the diesel ship installation due to a badly twisted bolt. The people were very indignant, but the diesel passed a triple check

In fact, the military representative SHOULD control the production process SYNCHRONOUS production. The fact that he, while maintaining his own briefcase and a warm apartment in the city, and not going to Norilsk to the military unit, forced him to roll back the assembly of the product; he needs to be lowered in rank by two steps. You bastard unprincipled with you.

[Vard]

People at the assembly received 10 (ten thousand) rubles ... and after that they wanted the rocket to fly ...

[Alf]

Quote: Vard

People at the assembly received 10 (ten thousand) rubles ... and after that they wanted the rocket to fly ...

A rocket flew, fell into a swamp. What salary is such a job.

[Pre-cat]

Recall that in the past, representatives of the corporation also suggested that the cause of the accidents with "Protons" associated with the "storekeeper". The version consisted in the use of inappropriate material for soldering, taken from a warehouse in Voronezh. m [quote] [/ quote] Everything is fine, there are a lot of effective managers and one storekeeper. And only she understands the nomenclature of components and components issued from the warehouse. How can managers know what is needed there for soldering - this is not a royal matter. I remember our storekeeper left for sick leave, so for two months hell that it was possible to get from the warehouse. Although the superstructure above it is a whole department.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: The cat is half-educated

And how can managers know what is needed for soldering ...

The head of the workshop, the director of the enterprise (managers) are not at all obliged to know "what is needed for soldering."
But technologists and military representatives are simply obliged. And it’s not in my head that it’s stitched on someone’s crust there, but it’s written in the technological documentation.

And the storekeeper gives out the solder not from a good soul, but according to the demand-waybill, some thread there. Where it is clearly spelled out what should be given to her. This is exactly what she will give out (if she does not suck, of course).

Therefore, in this particular "managers" - no sideways. It's you, sorry ... like a puddle, in general.

Quote: The cat is half-educated

Although the add-on is a whole department

A whole department commands one storekeeper? "I do not believe" (c).

PS: what is this department called, though, not forgotten yet? Sound, if not breaking ...

[johnik]

For some reason I didn’t hear that the engines sent to the Merikos would refuse ...

[slipped]

There were problems recently with the RD-180 in one of the launches. But nothing happened.

[Alf]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And the storekeeper gives out the solder not from a good soul, but according to the demand-waybill, some thread there. Where it is clearly spelled out what should be given to her. This is exactly what she will give out (if she does not suck, of course).
Therefore, in this particular "managers" - no sideways. It's you, sorry ... like a puddle, in general.

All right. Except one. For a long time, an announcement hung in my workshop in the archive. For such a salary, I have to come to work, say hello and ... leave.
It is difficult to demand from a person a responsible attitude to work for a penny wage. Again, in my workshop the storekeeper receives 10 rubles. What can be required of her?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Alf

It is difficult to require a person to be responsible for penniless work

A storekeeper is a financially responsible person (MOL in common parlance).
This means that a shortage in the warehouse of one thing (with, perhaps, an excess of the other) is an automatic machine for the storekeeper.
The procedure that identifies these surplus-shortages and other reassortment is called an inventory. It is carried out regularly (as where, but rarely less than once every six months).
So the storekeeper is not only working for a salary - he is his, ahem ... covers his hat.

Issued - it means there was a piece of paper that this is what should be issued. Papers, by the way, are stored ... And whose is it on the piece of paper signature? Not who received, but who signed the demand? Come on, honey, go syudy ... and go and go.

Finding the initiator of the “initiative” is actually not simple, but very simple. You only want this ... well, and have the appropriate authority

[Pre-cat]

Organization - FSUE "UVO Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation" Primorsky branch, supply department, apparently, I do not know the exact name. It was a year ago, in the spring. For two months no one could get uniforms. By the way, the shop manager just needs to know what and what they solder into the shop if he is a production worker of course. "There is no worse animal for production than an effective manager," Henry Ford wrote in his book.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: The cat is half-educated

"There is no worse animal for production than an effective manager," Henry Ford wrote in his book.

Don’t give a link to the book? I would read it with pleasure, here she is ...

[Golovan Jack]

After:

Quote: The cat is half-educated

I remember our storekeeper left for sick leave, so for two months hell that it was possible to get from the warehouse. Although the add-on is a whole department

Quote: The cat is half-educated

Organization - FSUE "UVO Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation" Primorsky branch, purchase departmentapparently I don’t know the exact name

The supply department is only busy “commanding the storekeeper”? Rjunimagu
And the good in the pantry (at the storekeeper) - it appears by itself. Tablecloth, panim, self-assembled such ...
Tell tales please, dear.

[Pre-cat]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Tell tales please, dear.

Do not judge by yourself ..

[UAZ 452]

Yeah. I don’t even know - to laugh or cry. In any case, the debate about the role of the personality in history can be considered closed - the role of the personality is absolute if it is the personality of the storekeeper. 140 millionth country! The strategic industry, where hundreds of thousands of employees are involved, is spinning billions of dollars! And the sick leave of this woman Masha turns the work of these thousands, all these millions of evergreens into burning garbage! Baba Masha has already gone down in history as the personification of the shame of the country, the loss of authority of the Russian (as the heiress of the Soviet) cosmonautics, which began with Korolev and Gagarin, and ended on the storekeeper, Baba Masha, well, her many highly paid bosses who lied to us about two-three-fivefold control and reservation of everything and everything in the rocket and space industry, but it turned out that all this vaunted control is not able to compensate even the sick-list of a single storekeeper.
It all looks like a farce, but the farce is very sad. Interestingly - somewhere in the headquarters of the Strategic Missile Forces there is no ensign, in the case of illness (or binge), which no rocket can take off? In light of the above story, I won’t be surprised if this is so.

[Pre-cat]

Henry Ford "My life, my achievements", all Ford wrote either 6 or 7 books. On the Internet, look, I took it in a store.

[groks]

To change the brand of solder, you need to introduce changes in the technical doc., Having agreed with the consumer and passing through the PP. This is a hassle. And PZ-Schnicks at the VMZ are very frightened - they were shaking great not so long ago. And in this case, there is no way to complain about the employees. Falling away.
I don’t know what kind of solders these are 35 and 1000. But it is clear from the text that the second one has a precious metal and has a significantly higher melting point .. Therefore, another tool is also used for it. RPS does not melt with a simple soldering iron. And the pic under the burner will leak from the seam like water. No storekeeper will give out RPS instead of PIC, since it is more expensive by an order of magnitude, it is less by an order of magnitude .... Very doubtful.
I very much doubt that the sleeve, if any, is actually separated after the stage engine is turned on. Rather, the opposite. So also the version is far-fetched.
Things at VMZ have been very bad lately. It is strange that nothing came out before.
Storekeepers are usually in the supply department.

[voyaka uh]

The storekeeper overwhelmed the astronautics. Not that solder gave out. And whoever took it, they didn’t care what to solder. Sticking at least somehow - and okay ...

[groks]

If there was the slightest opportunity to appoint an extreme one, they would already have appointed. So it will look so obvious that it already exceeds the limits of reason.

[UAZ 452]

But does this stuffing about the storekeeper not seem obvious surrealistic nonsense?

[sharp-lad]

For a small salary, thinking is no good!

[Mikhail Anokhin]

The devil is hiding just in the little things!

[UAZ 452]

In the sense that with the normal organization of business, minor problems are solved almost automatically, but if this does not happen, this is a manifestation of systemic problems. In this case - universal indifference, the absence of anyone's interest in the final result, which leads to the replacement of meaningful activity with its imitation.

[alexey1213]

The reason is not the woman Lyusya from the pantry, but the guys from the hydrotest. Transferred them to the deal, well, they flooded.

[sharp-lad]

When for one worker in three creatives apart from the highest vainness ..... then what kind of continuity can we talk about?

[Cananecat]

After the words about logistics and the storekeeper, the author of the words must be dismissed with confiscation ...

[Gormenghast]

the reason lies not only in violation of the so-called regulatory procedures for control at the workplace, but also in systematic violations of the warehouse records of the materials used.

They soldered the solder with precious metals and instead slipped another one - what is this “defect”? It is a crime; the value of the fallen "Protons" (and not the cost of the stolen solder) should be recovered from thieves.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gormengast

They stole solder with precious metals and slipped another

Did you hold a candle there?
When this whole story happened, they repeatedly wrote that:
- yes, the solder was replaced with another, not suitable for this node
- the solder was replaced by (ta-taaam !!!) more expensivethan required. But naturally this did not get better.
Elementary "re-sorting" at the warehouse. It says on the cell that "A" lies there, but in fact there lies "B", if we simplify it to fingerprinting.
Another thing is that this organization does not sell underwear (there it is still permissible), but sculpts engines for spacecraft. And there it is by no means permissible.

[Gormenghast]

He did not hold a candle, but they wrote in different ways: both on the more expensive and the precious. For some reason, I believe in the second option. Because the option of "storekeeper" and "blind" workers is nothing more than a sort of humor.

[groks]

Already wrote that this should be agreed with the consumer and approved by the PP. Manufacturers then no complaints.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gormengast

For some reason I believe in the second option

Hanlon's razor to help you

[begemot20091]

Quote: groks

To change the brand of solder, you need to introduce changes in the technical doc., Having agreed with the consumer and passing through the PP. This is a hassle. And PZ-Schnicks at the VMZ are very frightened - they were shaking great not so long ago. And in this case, there is no way to complain about the employees. Falling away.
I don’t know what kind of solders these are 35 and 1000. But it is clear from the text that the second one has a precious metal and has a significantly higher melting point .. Therefore, another tool is also used for it. RPS does not melt with a simple soldering iron. And the pic under the burner will leak from the seam like water. No storekeeper will give out RPS instead of PIC, since it is more expensive by an order of magnitude, it is less by an order of magnitude .... Very doubtful.
I very much doubt that the sleeve, if any, is actually separated after the stage engine is turned on. Rather, the opposite. So also the version is far-fetched.
Things at VMZ have been very bad lately. It is strange that nothing came out before.
Storekeepers are usually in the supply department.

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Any storekeeper will hang himself if he does so - like solders in a safe, waste is handed over by weight, like precious metals, a separate report. If the technologist is in memory, the permit card will never be signed, by the head of the Quality Control Department, the designer .... Is there anything, the cleaners run the technical process?

[Belyash]

And why did they build the Vostochny Cosmodrome, a couple of missiles were launched from it, and that’s all. Nothing is heard.

[Scalpel]

Just in case, if suddenly Kazakhstan comes up against Baikonur.

[Palch]

Well, why discuss it ??? Everyone has long known that the switchman is always to blame on the railway, and the storekeeper at the factory. Lowering blame the leadership, since by analogy, a bad precedent can creep out of it! And finally, it’s useful to listen to A. Raikin once more - “..to the buttons there are complaints ??? ..."

[Zomanus]

Tryndets ... That's what it means when production depends on the individual.
Or they have everything so sad with stock accounting.

[Sling cutter]

bk316,
You carefully read comments.bk316,
Is it really difficult for you to understand the meaning of what is written?
I said that “dear” in modern conditions does not mean “good”!
What is not clear then ?????