American expert spoke about the Russian "Terminator"

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The new combat vehicle of the Russian armed forces "Terminator" has sizzling firepower, it is difficult to stop. About this in the material for publication Popular Mechanics Wrote American military analyst Kyle Mizokami.

According to experts, the need to create a separate armored vehicle to support tanks was dictated by combat experience in Afghanistan and the North Caucasus. Tanks of the Soviet and later period, for example, the T-72, were intended to defeat the counterparts of NATO countries, but were virtually defenseless against anti-tank systems. Even experienced crews were not able to save the situation, since their visibility was very limited.



American expert spoke about the Russian "Terminator"


According to the developers, Mizoki writes, the Terminator should be on the battlefield along with the main tanks and clear it, eliminating threats. For this task, the armored vehicle has an impressive arsenal that allows firing at everything that moves and shoots.



In the basic version, it is equipped with two 30-mm automatic guns 2А42 and two PKTM 7,62 machine guns mm. With their help, the probable and identified anti-tank positions are suppressed, which allows the crews of the main tanks to concentrate on “working off” the enemy’s armored vehicles. In addition to anti-personnel weapons, BMPT is equipped with four launchers of 9М120 “Attack” missiles with a laser guidance system capable of hitting tanks or helicopters at a distance of 6 kilometers. As noted Mizokami, there are versions of the "Attack" with thermobaric warhead.

"Terminator" is very difficult to hit, as it is made on the platform of the T-90A tank and has about the same level of armor protection. In addition, the machine is equipped with a complex of dynamic protection, which enhances its survivability even with the strongest opposition.

The US Army has no equivalent to the "Terminator." In fact, no other army possesses such machines. American vehicles - M1 Abrams tanks and M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles - showed good performance in urban areas in Iraq. It remains unclear why the Russian army has a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they invented something
- concludes the expert
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  1. +9
    28 September 2017 18: 13
    They envy and do it right. "Terminator" - is becoming an important element in modern combat.
    1. +7
      28 September 2017 18: 20
      Quote: oleg-gr
      They envy and do it right. "Terminator" - is becoming an important element in modern combat.

      I would understand if there was a robot .... but it’s not clear if it’s honestly ..... especially for urban battle ...
      1. +17
        28 September 2017 18: 27
        Quote: himRa
        I would understand if there was a robot .... but it’s not clear if it’s honestly ..... especially for urban battle ...

        Why not a cyborg right away? Any military equipment during creation has its pros and cons, illnesses and shortcomings, therefore it is modernized and improved during operation. BMP-1 remember? Revealed the disadvantages, created a BMP-2, etc. ... but at the same time, now the infantry is nowhere without them, although initially they also said that what for it is necessary.
        As for the unmanned version of the Terminator, it’s not yet evening ... the car will be adopted for more than one year. And that means they will be modernized and improved, taking into account the experience gained in military operation and the database.
        1. +6
          28 September 2017 18: 39
          Quote: NEXUS
          BMP-1 remember?

          That BMP does not cause questions! lightning throws of the protected infantry is understandable ... the terminator ... who himself will ,, support ,,? smile there are no knockout panels there, the ammunition is near the crew .. for urban conditions the tank is always in question ... menacing at least to remember ..
          1. +10
            28 September 2017 18: 45
            Quote: himRa
            That BMP does not cause questions!

            At the very beginning, when the BMP appeared, there were much more questions ... and the Terminator is needed, precisely as a complex to combat manpower and especially with anti-tank vehicles. Well, the fight against the same helicopters and low-flying attack aircraft that are the archenemy of armored vehicles.
            1. +1
              28 September 2017 19: 23
              Quote: NEXUS
              the fight against the same helicopters and low-flying attack aircraft that are the sworn enemy of armored vehicles.

              And what did the radar have for the terminator to search for the target and adjust the shooting?
            2. +7
              28 September 2017 21: 35
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, the fight against the same helicopters and low-flying attack aircraft that are the archenemy of armored vehicles.

              On the issue of the fight against helicopters, I bet. Let's compare the launch range of the Helfer and the performance characteristics of these missiles. Hang, as ours they will not, the principle of "shot-forgot" does its job. Analogs, our "hermes", so far in the reports.
              The main purpose of "extinguishing" firing points on the "ground".
              1. +5
                28 September 2017 21: 43
                Quote: kapitan92
                Analogs, our "hermes", so far in the reports.

                So the Terminator is just beginning its battle path. I will say more, I will not be surprised if in 10 years, the BMPT will not look like it is now, and its firepower will not be inferior to the MBT.
                Quote: kapitan92
                The main purpose of "extinguishing" firing points on the "ground".

                So far, yes, but, believe me, very soon, the Terminator will be taught to work successfully on air targets.
                1. +8
                  28 September 2017 21: 50
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  So far, yes, but believe me, very soon,

                  Dear NEXUS! In the light of the latest information on the “Kurgan”, let’s not think of anything.
                  Wait and see! hi
                  1. +14
                    28 September 2017 22: 00
                    Quote: kapitan92
                    In the light of the latest information on the “Kurgan”, let’s not think of anything.

                    And what about Kurganets? UVZ also tried to bankrupt, and so what? I see it this way, maybe I’m mistaken ... the closer the elections, the more grabbers, thieves and thieves are simply wiped off the cake ... I won’t be surprised that by the year 18 even the Cabinet of Ministers will be “much younger” from the security forces. And to the village unknown. I am sure that the GDP is not going to leave everything to Chubais and Co. to plunder everything that it created over the course of 20 years.
                    1. +9
                      28 September 2017 22: 13
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      And what about Kurganets? UVZ also tried to bankrupt, and so what?

                      Yes, it’s not bankruptcy anymore! The point is that we cannot all get out of the situation.
                      - “First for myself, and then for others”, if I’m not mistaken, the phrase by V. Vysotsky in an interview. With such corruption of power, which exists in fact, one does not believe in “the beautiful far”. I don’t want to guess, I want to believe in the best.
                      By the way, UVZ is still in debt, like in silk.
                    2. +5
                      28 September 2017 22: 53
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      I am sure that the GDP is not going to leave everything to Chubais and Co. to plunder everything that it created over the course of 20 years.

                      Well said. I also hope that this backlog will be provided with normal power and administrative protection, no worse than Terminator.
                    3. +4
                      28 September 2017 23: 36
                      People from law enforcement agencies have no place in the Cabinet, with the exception of law enforcement agencies. Usually security officers with special education or lawyers. And lawyers, as a rule, do not rummage at all in the economy - another principle of logic and thinking. Therefore, there is nothing for lawyers - security officials to climb into the Cabinet. Another thing is that liberals-economists have nothing to do in the same cabinet .... Although while the Kremlin’s most important liberal is Putin, there’s no end to the economy in the economy.
                      1. +10
                        28 September 2017 23: 54
                        Quote: Socialism 2.0
                        People from power structures have no place in the Cabinet

                        Perhaps you are right ... of course, the financier should be engaged in finances, and the military defense, and so on ... but. It so happened with us that often, people at the helm are not at all with the education and knowledge that these posts require. I will say more, GDP is not a politician, but a first-class intelligence officer and strategist. Shoigu is also not quite a professional military man. I’m saying all this to the fact that in the same FSB, the percentage of corrupt corrupt officials is much less than anywhere else. And GDP is just a native of it. It is on the basis of this, I suppose, that a whole series of young senior functionaries will appear from precisely these structures. But at the same time, I do not completely exclude the possibility that young financiers, economists, etc. will appear who will know their business and do it well for the country. I repeat, I am not saying anything, these are just thoughts in the ear ...
                        But I know for sure that in the near future there will not be any Chubais liberal shushera at the main posts of the country. Because the GDP clearly understands, as soon as the new EBN enters the Kremlin, everything that he built and restored for so long will go under the hammer to the mattresses. It is obvious. And returning to my thesis about young people from law enforcement agencies, I’ll say that these people have a very strong and clear understanding of what the Motherland is and love for it, without pathos and slogans.
                2. +2
                  28 September 2017 22: 12
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  Analogs, our "hermes", so far in the reports.

                  So the Terminator is just beginning its battle path. I will say more, I will not be surprised if in 10 years, the BMPT will not look like it is now, and its firepower will not be inferior to the MBT.
                  Quote: kapitan92
                  The main purpose of "extinguishing" firing points on the "ground".

                  So far, yes, but, believe me, very soon, the Terminator will be taught to work successfully on air targets.




                  When will the submarine sink?
                  1. +10
                    28 September 2017 22: 19
                    Quote: Gransasso
                    When will the submarine sink?

                    When you chant here, Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! Putting a pot on his head. wassat
                    1. +5
                      28 September 2017 22: 27
                      Andrew! I’m Vyacheslav, if not against we can on "YOU"! drinks
                      1. +5
                        28 September 2017 22: 29
                        Quote: kapitan92
                        Andrew! I’m Vyacheslav, if not against we can on "YOU"! drinks

                        Very nice ... I do not mind ... wink
                  2. +5
                    28 September 2017 22: 22
                    Quote: Gransasso
                    When will the submarine sink?

                    When the order arrives !!! soldier
            3. +2
              29 September 2017 09: 42
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: himRa
              That BMP does not cause questions!

              At the very beginning, when the BMP appeared, there were much more questions ... and the Terminator is needed, precisely as a complex to combat manpower and especially with anti-tank vehicles. Well, the fight against the same helicopters and low-flying attack aircraft that are the archenemy of armored vehicles.

              Carriers ATGM can be a pair of donkeys and two or three bearded gavrika. And they can shoot from the back of the room or from the roofs. Try to see there. Without the cover of infantry "Terminator" gouging how nehren do .... At least in a city or urban ruins.
              1. +5
                29 September 2017 09: 54
                Quote: Topotun
                At least in the conditions of a city or urban ruins.

                There is essentially nothing for tanks to do in urban development ... assault groups work there, clearing the territory from various assault forces with ATGMs on their backs and from various armed elements. And tanks in urban development are not turning into the main strike component, but into the auxiliary one, which supports its infantry from a distance.
                1. 0
                  29 September 2017 13: 45
                  The practice of Syria and Donbass shows the opposite - as the tank was the most penetrative, it remained request . that's what you want to do with it. Yes, anti-tank systems are a severe problem, but it’s already clear that KAZ will close it soon (you just don’t gobble up the installation). And the “terminators" are just needed for the clearing of the "trenches" because the tank has too little ammunition and it is practically impossible to throw from the attack even with infantry. There were already such cases - the APU tried to get to the trenches of the DNI fighters under the cover of armor, but it all ended tragically - they drove them behind the stern of the tank and shot them from the flanks with crossfire, and the “naked” tanks just fled (they would have gone further - they would have burned RPGs) .
              2. 0
                30 September 2017 04: 20
                Without the cover of infantry "Terminator" gouging how nehren do .... At least in a city or urban ruins.
                .
                The machine is clearly for the average distance of continuous destruction of obstacles and structures, for cleaning windows and third to fifth floors - a city broom of continuous sweeping. I wonder how she has ammunition and barrel cooling, is there a latest generation thermal imager?
                Also on it is a registry of forest edges and roadsides, accompanied by columns 8-)).
          2. +7
            28 September 2017 19: 27
            there are no knock-out panels there, ammunition near the crew.
            A remotely controlled weapon module is located in the rear of the hull, the ammunition is outside the fighting compartment, which significantly increases the chances of the crew in the event of a BMPT hit by cumulative ammunition.
            somehow it does not fit with your application, or do you have other data?
      2. +1
        28 September 2017 18: 40
        Not really for urban combat. You just have to clean the anti-tank
        Quote: himRa
        Quote: oleg-gr
        They envy and do it right. "Terminator" - is becoming an important element in modern combat.

        I would understand if there was a robot .... but it’s not clear if it’s honestly ..... especially for urban battle ...
        1. +7
          28 September 2017 19: 07
          In Syria, in urban battles, our SHILKA, which was created to combat low-flying targets, proved to be very effective. The terminator is many times better than SHILKA.
          1. +2
            29 September 2017 13: 17
            Quote: Alexander 3
            In Syria, in urban battles, our SHILKA, which was created to combat low-flying targets, proved to be very effective. The terminator is many times better than SHILKA.

            Yeah. Terminator shoots very beautifully.
            1. +1
              29 September 2017 13: 52
              The terminators have superiority over “shilka” - in armor and the ability (and must) to install KAZ !!
              Such a brutal, "sighted" and well-protected "mad thresher"! good Even the favorite method of “blacks” in Syria to “abruptly jump out and shoot from an RPG” is not a fact that it will give something, secondly, the chances to escape have practically disappeared.
    2. Maz
      0
      28 September 2017 18: 44
      We will sell.
      1. +16
        28 September 2017 19: 45
        It remains unclear why the Russian army is a special tool to support tanks, perhaps they came up with something

        The Russians always come up with something, and now you scratch the turnip "why?" and “how to deal with it?” if that. And the car seems to be good and necessary, well done designers! good
        1. +1
          28 September 2017 21: 33
          and now you scratch the turnip "why?"

          Maybe an article that the expert should throw above so that the brain does not torment.
    3. +3
      28 September 2017 21: 30
      American equipment — the M1 Abrams tanks and the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles — performed well in urban areas in Iraq. It remains unclear why the Russian army is a special tool to support tanks, perhaps they came up with something

      And what is not clear here - so that Russian tanks do not burn in Iraq, like the vaunted Abrams and M2 Bradley.
      Dumb these American experts. we don’t, so nobody needs it. But everyone else buys "terminators" like hot cakes.
      1. +1
        29 September 2017 22: 01
        Who and how much? And most importantly, why?
    4. 0
      28 September 2017 21: 53
      We must try to lay a thick, thick layer of dill, it suddenly stops.
  2. +5
    28 September 2017 18: 14
    Do not relax. Trying to lull vigilance with praise smile
    1. +14
      28 September 2017 20: 08
      Quote: Thrall
      Do not relax. Trying to lull vigilance with praise smile

      It seems that most visitors to the forum are like commenting (at least for the grandmothers at the entrance) - just to comment. I’m sure that you can write any nonsense here and titled it in the style: “America is in shock! An American military expert claims that the United States will not be able to stand up to the Russian ... (everyone can come up with a sequel to their taste)” enjoy the result.
      At least before commenting on such “articles”, you would ask what this “expert analyst” is.
      A purely civilian man with a Japanese surname, Kyle Mizokami, lives in San Francisco. He is called in the American media either a military analyst, or a writer in the military genre, or simply a blogger. This Kyle has long been doing business on scary books that tickle your nerves and sell well. Most of all he likes to write about nuclear wars. Moreover, it very cleverly mixes the truth and fantasies about atomic apocalypse. Mizokami sits in a warm apartment and picks out terrible nuclear stories from his nose, reading which even Baron Münhausen would bite his nails with envy.
      https://www.cyprus.kp.ru/daily/26551/3567779/
      It’s not funny for yourself? crying
      1. 0
        29 September 2017 13: 23
        And what’s actually funny, well done Mizokami found his niche in business, cleverly earns his bread and butter, may not be called a military analyst, but this is the work of mattresses.
        1. +2
          29 September 2017 20: 44
          Quote: Lyton
          And what’s actually funny, well done Mizokami found his niche in business, cleverly earns his bread and butter, may not be called a military analyst, but this is the work of mattresses.

          This is the "mattress" chtol headline
          American expert spoke about the Russian "Terminator"

          or still in?
  3. +7
    28 September 2017 18: 15
    The US Army has no equivalent to the "Terminator." In fact, no other army possesses such machines. American vehicles - M1 Abrams tanks and M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles - showed good performance in urban areas in Iraq. It remains unclear why the Russian army has a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they invented something

    Tremble mattresses, though we have not yet figured out why ... but the fire that incinerates by itself is SCARY!
  4. +12
    28 September 2017 18: 18
    "Kyle Mizokami"

    Damn, well, call this "analyst" and "expert" of this comrade at VO this is bad manners. No. We have every one of these.

    "Tanks of the Soviet and later period, for example, the T-72, were intended to destroy analogues of NATO countries, but were virtually defenseless against anti-tank systems."

    The tanks are defenseless, and the Terminator, of course, is protected. Why not put 125mm on it if it's so cool? request Analiteg, damn it.
    1. +9
      28 September 2017 19: 03
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The tanks are defenseless, and the Terminator, of course, is protected.

      Over time, the Age module will be put on the Armata platform and security will increase. BTR-s with their weak armor are not able to protect tanks from carriers of anti-tank and low-flying helicopters. But for a moment we are talking about the front line, on the very line of fire.
      1. +4
        28 September 2017 19: 06
        Quote: NEXUS
        Over time, the Age module will be put on the Armata platform and security will increase. BTR-s with their weak armor are not able to protect tanks from carriers of anti-tank and low-flying helicopters. But for a moment we are talking about the front line, on the very line of fire.

        Yes, I agree with you, I do not agree with the presentation of information by iksperd.
  5. +3
    28 September 2017 18: 22
    The US Army has no equivalent to the "Terminator." In fact, no other army possesses such machines. American vehicles - M1 Abrams tanks and M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles - showed good performance in urban areas in Iraq. It remains unclear why the Russian army has a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they invented something
    ----------------------------------
    Did the editor of the publication ask you to add it? Is it already something? He answered the questions and refuted himself. He himself said. that to shoot infantry and vehicles with anti-tank weapons.
  6. 0
    28 September 2017 18: 23
    we still have the combat robots "Uranus-9"
    BUT (!) We would still BMPT based on the T-80
    unmanned
    with KAZ Afganit and DZ Relikt / Malachite in the "circular"
    1. +1
      28 September 2017 18: 38
      Or this one?
    2. +1
      28 September 2017 19: 06
      If you go and revive from the ashes, it’s T-34 and put a 150 mm machine gun on it.

      This will be power, not every cruiser with such fluff can be made%)
  7. 0
    28 September 2017 18: 37
    "Why did the Russian army need a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they came up with something" - this is the main idea of ​​the American expert and that’s it. We are waiting for the tantrums of our Baltic neighbors.
    1. +2
      28 September 2017 20: 56
      Quote: yuliatreb
      this is the main idea of ​​the American expert and that’s it

      Given that the expert does not initially know why tanks are needed
  8. +6
    28 September 2017 18: 37
    Praise. Something we are doing wrong!
  9. +2
    28 September 2017 18: 39
    Kyle Mizokami - well done! Not at all well done is the one who let him in to the car and informed about combat abilities. And so, by chance, you respect “Popular Mechanics”, not in our performance ... It lies, doesn’t lie, but is published all over the world. go now - refute.
  10. 0
    28 September 2017 18: 44
    The terminator needs a grenade launcher, because in half the cases the enemy is in the dead zone of visibility.
    1. +3
      28 September 2017 19: 08
      Two ags-40-few?
  11. +1
    28 September 2017 18: 47
    American equipment — the M1 Abrams tanks and the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles — performed well in urban areas in Iraq.

    Look at the analysis of military operations in the cities of Iraq. Something tells me that not everything is so rosy. It is very convenient to move around the ruins of cities on a tank, but were they fighting on Abrams in urban conditions when it was interesting?
    1. 0
      28 September 2017 19: 01
      APASUS so they have already beaten the aliens in Hollywood, with their "beast". Oh no movies you watched ....
    2. 0
      28 September 2017 20: 18
      but the battles on Abrams in urban conditions, when is it interesting they participated?
      When the last time they took Fallujah, by the way, the losses were significant.
      1. +2
        28 September 2017 20: 50
        Quote: Vadmir
        but the battles on Abrams in urban conditions, when is it interesting they participated?
        When the last time they took Fallujah, by the way, the losses were significant.

        So here I am talking about this, but American military analyst Kyle Mizokami writes that they showed good work in urban conditions. When taking Fallujah, the Americans suffered losses in technology
        The Mujahideen Advisory Council of Fallujah issued a press release on November 18, 2004, informing that units opposing the Americans had succeeded in knocking down 11 Abrams tanks and 22 military vehicles.

        and if this is a really good result, then what interesting result by the standards of this expert is bad?
    3. 0
      28 September 2017 21: 42
      Quote: APASUS
      when is it interesting they participated?

      I once saw photographs of the moon with the ruins of the city, which I learned from a convincing signature under it, so it was the Abrams who visited it. wink
  12. +1
    28 September 2017 18: 53
    He would have put 57mm guns - then you can start up a series.
  13. +7
    28 September 2017 18: 56
    It remains unclear why the Russian army is a special tool to support tanks, perhaps they came up with something

    Just the Russian army is still not invented - How to organize the normal interaction of tanks, infantry and artillery. So you have to invent BMPT to solve those problems that are solved by regular means of the regiment or brigade - provided that they exist and are able to use them.
    Plus, the Russian army back in 2008 fought platoons of 20 people. With such a large number of motorized gunners, one has to invent alternative ways to cover armored vehicles (instead of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with a full-blooded compartment).
  14. +3
    28 September 2017 19: 19
    The experience of Syria and the Caucasus may not be useful in other conditions. Work doublet, tank BMPT implies that the tank hammer everything that is worthy of its caliber at maximum distances, and BPMT sweeps everything that moves at close approaches. This algorithm goes to hell in the event of a collision with a sufficiently equipped opponent, then the Terminator drops out of battle formation, hangs between “heaven and earth”, reducing the density of fire of the main caliber, Think a hundred times before starting to rivet these cars.
  15. +1
    28 September 2017 19: 25
    If visibility, like a tank, then what for it! Again, the best review, the driver? Ukrainians on their BTR-4 hung cameras (not eyes, namely French), there is a review from the commander and operator, like in paradise! I had to see something like that. The car is a coffin, but the operator's place is thought out autumn. These daytime and nighttime and thermal imagers are brought to these eerans. The image is reminiscent of how in the movie Predator the devil was shown! It’s clear that in Kubinka he was already turned inside out,
  16. 0
    28 September 2017 19: 54
    Quote: Krabik
    If you go and revive from the ashes, it’s T-34 and put a 150 mm machine gun on it.

    This will be power, not every cruiser with such fluff can be made%)

    And this is an idea, the place of the tower to throw two trunks. scary punt turn out
  17. +1
    28 September 2017 19: 55
    The US Army has no equivalent to the "Terminator." In fact, no other army possesses such machines. American vehicles - M1 Abrams tanks and M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles - showed good performance in urban areas in Iraq. It remains unclear why the Russian army has a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they invented something

    - concludes the expert


    If I’m not mistaken, the main task of such vehicles is to combat unarmored tank hazardous targets: rocket launchers, anti-tank systems, turntables.
    If, for example, a tank crew detects a grenade launcher 200 meters from the side, the question arises: how to destroy it? The machine gun is course, the second machine gun is controlled from the outside, which means the commander needs to climb outside the tank under the snipers. What is left? shoot a gun? So for this you need to deploy the tower, aim.
    Ineffective.
    Need fast-firing machines with a quick response to the threat. This is where the 30 mm automatic gun comes in handy.
    But the 9M120 “Attack” missiles are weak, 6 km to defeat the turntable is too small.
    BMP cannot replace BMPT, since it has much less armor.
    1. +6
      28 September 2017 23: 13
      "If, for example, a tank crew detects a grenade launcher 200 meters from the side, the question arises: how to destroy it? The machine gun is directional, the second machine gun is controlled from the outside, which means the commander needs to climb outside the tank under the snipers. What remains? To shoot from the gun? So for this tower needs to be deployed, aimed ... "
      And why didn’t the coaxial machine gun please? It is for these purposes and invented. And shoot tracers so that the infantry also sees the target.
      And what is a "machine gun", I did not drive.
      1. +10
        28 September 2017 23: 19
        Quote: Doliva63
        what is a "machine gun", I did not drive

        This guy, apparently, the T-34 had in mind laughing
        1. 0
          29 September 2017 18: 57
          Question: how in the “terminator” is the motor-transmission compartment protected from the grenade launcher on the 3rd floor (more complicated - 2 grenade launchers in houses opposite, the width of the inter-quarter passage is not more than 50 meters)?
    2. 0
      29 September 2017 10: 29
      Quote: Every
      If, for example, a tank crew detects a grenade launcher 200 meters from the side, the question arises: how to destroy it?

      The standard means of accompanying the tank infantry. Which should cover the tank and with which the crew of the tank should have a connection. smile
      In fact, all these BMPTs are an attempt to somehow solve three eternal problems: active bayonets to escort tanks - the cat cried, the infantry did not follow the tanks, there was no connection with the infantry.
      1. +2
        29 September 2017 11: 50
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In fact, all these BMPTs are an attempt to somehow solve three eternal problems: active bayonets to accompany the tanks - the cat cried, the infantry for the tanks did not go, there was no connection with the infantry.

        There is already no such thing as in WWII, running around for tanks shouting Hurray !. The terminator is imprisoned not only for the cover of tanks, but also for city battles, as a tank in the city, like an elephant in a china shop, in addition, in comparison with BMPT, the cat burst into tears in the tank’s means of fighting against enemy manpower.
  18. +2
    28 September 2017 20: 00
    Quote: Krabik
    If you go and revive from the ashes, it’s T-34 and put a 150 mm machine gun on it.

    This will be power, not every cruiser with such fluff can be made%)

    What is it about, Krabik? Yes, and check your writings, please. Yes, the exam is a heavy burden.
  19. +1
    28 September 2017 20: 17
    Great prospects for this tank, in the mountains and urban areas. For cover, what the doctor ordered.
  20. 0
    28 September 2017 20: 56
    I like this thing. Against the Arabs come in handy.
  21. +2
    28 September 2017 20: 58
    It is necessary to saturate the tanks with detection tools, including infantry, then no BMPT will be needed.
  22. 0
    28 September 2017 20: 58
    It is difficult for Western experts to say something, since there are no analogues in the West and are not expected.
  23. +1
    28 September 2017 21: 12
    We came up with something. But we can’t tell, a military secret.
  24. +2
    28 September 2017 22: 09
    In fact, no other army has such machines. Kazakhstan. maybe they came up with something Russians, they’re like that! They’ll come up with something, and you’ll rack your brains. One MSL is worth it!
  25. +2
    28 September 2017 22: 45
    It remains unclear why the Russian army is a special tool to support tanks, perhaps they came up with something
    - concludes the expert

    Well then, how to give a drink! They are, these Russians, always come up with something ...
  26. +3
    28 September 2017 23: 30
    The best protection of tanks in the city (even though they do not belong there) is, figuratively speaking, the infantry on the “armor”. And no “Terminator” tanks in the city will cover, who would cover it. Beautiful but mostly useless thing. IMHO
  27. +7
    29 September 2017 00: 18
    it's just a rumor

    I share your thoughts loudly .... God grant VV health and a bright head, and followers will catch up. So the skeleton is formed. Gradually, but inspired by example and selected from trusted. Everything else is a fairy tale for children.
  28. +8
    29 September 2017 00: 23
    Do not stsay, boys! Once again, the Russians came up, do not hesitate!
  29. +3
    29 September 2017 01: 53
    NEXUS,
    The GDP is a protege of EBN, the GDP has been opened by the EBN Center, the GDP is liberal, it patronizes its buddies - the oligarchs, the GDP is concerned about gas contracts, the construction of gas pipelines, etc. In essence, the GDP is the same hypothesis of the EBN, but taking into account the current realities, and the fact that he comes from the FSB is even worse for all citizens of the Russian Federation.
    1. +11
      29 September 2017 03: 46
      Quote: Socialism 2.0
      GDP henchman EBN

      Do you know the concept of a palace coup? Campaign, no. But in vain ...
      Quote: Socialism 2.0
      GDP opened EBN Center

      The concept of "trolling" is also unfamiliar to you? You are surprised ...
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      GDP liberal

      YYYY laughing laughing laughing
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      patronizes his buddies - oligarchs

      The facts are in the studio. Let me remind you that it was the GDP that “dispersed the seven-bankers”. And no one else. And the current alligarchs are tame, sometimes they even bring benefits (the same Crimean bridge, for example).
      Remind me, plz, how much benefit did the country bring to Gusinsky-Berezovsky-Khodorkovsky, etc.?
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      GDP worries about gas contracts, gas pipeline construction and other similar

      Why do you think so? Miller is set to deal with gas contracts and other similar deals. And it does a good job, sort of ...
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      In essence, GDP is the same hypostasis of EBN, but taking into account current realities

      Rave. EBN squandered ("take sovereignty, how much you take away" is what it costs), GDP is recovering. Which, I note, is much more difficult than squandering.
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      and the one that he comes from the FSB is also worse for all citizens of the Russian Federation

      This would be a Sefig, excuse me?
      You may not answer, your level, sorry, intelligence is clearly visible and understandable wink
      1. 0
        29 September 2017 09: 25
        old man, well, you and DB
        1. +10
          29 September 2017 09: 52
          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          old man, well, you and DB

          Look for him in the mirror. He is there, I know for sure good
    2. +4
      29 September 2017 09: 41
      Quote: 2.0 Socialism
      NEXUS,
      The GDP is a protege of EBN, the GDP has been opened by the EBN Center, the GDP is liberal, it patronizes its buddies - the oligarchs, the GDP is concerned about gas contracts, the construction of gas pipelines, etc. In essence, the GDP is the same hypothesis of the EBN, but taking into account the current realities, and the fact that he comes from the FSB is even worse for all citizens of the Russian Federation.

      Dear, if GDP would be a liberal, and even corruption, you would not be scribbling comments here now, but would shake in a car with a checkered bag and would be called a shuttle. If GDP were a liberal, there would be no talk of any rearmament of the army at all. One should not make slogans and wave a saber here, not knowing and not understanding why what is being done at the highest echelons of power.
      1. 0
        29 September 2017 10: 50
        Dear, google Putin's speech, in which he himself claims to be a liberal. Repeatedly. The rearmament of the army only says that the liberal instinct for this liberal works, but no more. Do you think he cares about our loved ones rearming the army? If so then it’s funny for you ... restoring the army, he cares first of all about his personal security from other liberals from the West, no more. But all this is covered by patriotic slogans. "See the root" - (c) Kozma Purtkov.
        1. +5
          29 September 2017 11: 59
          Quote: Socialism 2.0
          Dear, google Putin's speech, in which he himself claims to be a liberal.

          Yeah ... only everyone in this concept puts its own meaning.
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          The rearmament of the army only says that the liberal instinct for this liberal works, but no more.

          Did you understand that you scratched yourself? If he were a liberal, in the concept as we understand it, he would have surrendered the country with giblets ... and where does the instinct for self-preservation, dear? fool They would give him the Peace Prize and announce to the whole world that he is the main peacemaker in the Universe. Do not write nonsense frankly.
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          Do you think he cares about our loved ones rearming the army? If so, it’s funny to you ...

          And how am I funny with you ... lol Well this is how you need to be confused in order to rearm an entire army for the sake of your personal security ... laughing Don't you think you have paranoia? laughing
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          restoring the army, he cares primarily about his personal security from other liberals from the west, no more.

          Well, yes ... and the fact that the liberals are all on the State Department’s allowance, it’s nothing to do with it, right? And the same Navalny doesn’t so much care about his safety in order to protect himself from the hands of Washington ... laughing
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          But all this is covered by patriotic slogans. "See the root" - (c) Kozma Purtkov.

          Oh ... dig up a clever phrase ... you think after that you began to look smarter? I'm in a hurry to upset you, NO. laughing
    3. +2
      29 September 2017 10: 43
      Quote: Socialism 2.0
      GDP henchman EBN

      Similarly, Teddy Roosevelt can be considered a protege of John Rockefeller. From whom he first took money for the election campaign - and after the election he was crushed by antitrust laws and ultimately destroyed the Standard Oil empire. smile
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      GDP worries about gas contracts, gas pipeline construction and other similar

      And what to do. Today, gas is also a weapon in the hands of the state. If the enemy actively connects an administrative resource (Nord Stream and OPAL, South Stream, Nord Stream-2) during the competition, we have to answer in the same way.
  30. 0
    29 September 2017 07: 54
    ..... why the Russian army a special tool to support the tanks, perhaps they came up with something .....
    Of course they came up, they certainly came up. Give everyone who needs it "zvizdyuley" !!!
  31. +2
    29 September 2017 08: 29
    "Maybe they came up with something" .... of course they did, in urban conditions it’s difficult to fight with tanks alone, so they created the Terminator, but what difference does it make to which streets to move: Berlin, Brussels, London, Washington ...
  32. +1
    29 September 2017 09: 44
    "It remains unclear why the Russian army has a special tool to support tanks, maybe they came up with something."
    Yes, the Americans, too, cannot yet figure out where to put such combat vehicles into their Armed Forces structure .... One can only hope that ours did "come up with something."
  33. SerZh1972
    0
    29 September 2017 11: 41
    maybe they came up with something
    Perhaps for once our generals are not preparing for past wars. And on the military experience of Syria, the right conclusions are made.
  34. 0
    1 October 2017 14: 29
    "American vehicles — the M1 Abrams tanks and the M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles — performed well in urban environments in Iraq." - is this in the sense when the mattresses in Fallujah lost dozens of abrams, rolled away and they had to burn the city with phosphorus? :-)
  35. 0
    2 October 2017 20: 38
    Mr. American expert came up with, of course, they came up with a car fighting. You’ll not see it yet.