Propaganda and agitation in the USSR in the era of perestroika (part of 2)

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“... seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, and do not understand; and the prophecy of Isaiah comes true over them, which says: hear with hearing, you will not understand, and you will look with your eyes and you will not see. ”
(Matthew 13: 13,14)


As already noted, an important role in the training of propaganda personnel was assigned to the universities of Marxism-Leninism, which were under the direct jurisdiction of the agitation and propaganda department of the OC of the CPSU. Thus, in 1986, a branch of such a university was opened at the Penza State Pedagogical Institute. V.G. Belinsky. There were also branches in the regional centers, the cities of Kuznetsk, Zarechny and the VEM plant. The course of study was designed for two years. The total number of students in 1987-1988. - 1600 people. Graduated 1138 people. Translated into 2 course 730 person. The newly adopted 870 man. However, the names of the courses studied: “The problem of accelerating the socio-economic development of the country”, “Lenin’s theory of communist morality”, and “Mastery of public speaking” were least intended to prepare people for fundamental changes in Soviet society. Study of stories The CPSU and scientific atheism could not prepare them for the reforms necessary for the transition to a market economy, and therefore, in the future, the majority of all these people were socially disoriented [1].



Propaganda and agitation in the USSR in the era of perestroika (part of 2)

It was on such slogans that agitation for socialism was built here. Yes, that's something she did not act! In any case, in Penza, for us, the shoes of our Kuznetsk factory, if anyone bought, then only for work. But the Yugoslav shoes for 40 rubles wore with pleasure, although they had to get.

At the same time, on the one hand, lecturers, agitators, propagandists, political informers for fieldwork prepared, on the other hand, lecturers prepared lectures for lecturers of the city and party workers who graduated from the HPS, collected and processed significant amounts of information, those. direct communication management was carried out, even if in a very limited form.

Specifically, the House of Political Education under the OC of the CPSU was responsible for ideological work with the population in each region. For example, only in terms of the activities of the DPP (“House of Political Education” - we had those “houses” in those years - V.Sh.) in Penza from 6 to 11 in January 1986 were: classes of the University of Marxism-Leninism, a seminar of propagandists of the schools of the foundations of Marxism-Leninism, the occupation of schools of ideological activists, a meeting of the party and economic activists of the regional public catering department. From 10 to 15 in February of the same year, the work plan was just as rich: the internship head. cabinets of political education of the party committees, a seminar of propagandists of the scientific communism schools of Penza, a Day of political books and posters; classes of the ideological asset of the Leninsky district. At the same time, an exposition from the experience of propagandists studying the works of V.I. Lenin [2].


Board "book" of any Soviet propagandist agitator. Armed, so to speak, the right angle of view ...

According to 1987 – 1988, the audience was 13540 people. Of these, 17 propagandists, 12 speakers, 22 lecturers, 33 political informers, 73 agitators [3] were prepared.

It turns out that through the system of political agitation and propaganda in the city of Penza alone in the 80-s. Tens of thousands of people marched, of whom they brought up people devoted to the cause of Marxism-Leninism and “fiery fighters”. At the same time, in a secret report on the work of the party committee at the Kamensky city committee of the CPSU for 1986, it was stated that violations of party discipline continue to occur. The most frequent violations of labor discipline were negligence and abuse of official position. The immoral behavior of many communists was expressed in drunkenness, embezzlement, embezzlement, criminal offenses, loss and damage of party cards, separation from the party organization, followed by the exclusion of 20 people [4]. This was the case at the “dawn” of perestroika, and then the number of retired and excluded communists began to grow. That is, on the one hand, the party trained cadres of agitators and propagandists, on the other - life confidently took its toll. It became harder and harder for people to live with double morality, when in words there was one thing, another was thought, and they had to do something completely opposite. It can be concluded that it was only thanks to such a massive processing of public opinion and the lack of real opportunities to obtain information from countries with developed economies that the party leadership in our country lasted for such a long period of time.

Naturally, all the cadres trained in the Marxist-Leninist education system were directly used by direct instructions from the regional committees, city committees and district committees of the CPSU to hold meetings, talks, lectures and political information based on materials received from the CPSU Central Committee and field developed [5].

The propaganda and agitation departments of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the regions also acted as receivers of information on the feedback from the media. Usually, after the publication of the article in the newspaper, the Bureau of the Communist Party of the Communist Party met, where it was discussed, after which there was a standard record that the criticism was found correct and the guilty would be punished. It has often been pointed out that “concrete measures are being taken to correct deficiencies” [6]. But these measures themselves were not always indicated.

So, in the materials of the Samara OK CPSU it is possible to find a number of similar responses to newspaper publications sent by the OK CPSU in the editorial office that criticized the newspapers. In response to the article “We do not like your work”, which was published in the newspaper “Soviet Russia” 6 in May 1986, the question was raised about the low quality of Cascade TVs, produced by the association “Ekran”. The article was reviewed by the party committee of the enterprise and the Bureau of the Kuibyshev OK Party of the CPSU. Criticism of the newspaper was recognized as correct. For serious omissions, the chief engineer, controller, TV production manager, head of the graduation department, and deputy director for social issues were punished. To eliminate the identified deficiencies with the participation of labor collectives, a set of organizational and technical measures have been developed, aimed at significantly improving the operational reliability of televisions. To this end, their production was temporarily stopped [7].

At the same time, it should be emphasized that a very significant amount of cases under the jurisdiction of the Penza, Saratov and Samara Regional Committee of the CPSU (and it can be argued that in other regions too) was considered secret information and passed through the secret office work with the “secret” signature. and "top secret". Thus, in the information classified as “secret” from 10 in January 1985, “On the work of party, secular, trade union bodies of the region to implement the CPSU Central Committee decree“ On serious shortcomings and distortions in the development of collective horticultural and gardening farms ” on the territory of the Penza region there is 267. They noted 226 violations. Cases of unauthorized seizure of land - 70. Excesses in construction - 61. Illegally built garages - 4, baths - 6 [8].

It seems to be obvious that it was precisely the negative aspects in the activities of these partnerships that should have been made available to the general public, but then people would have to explain why nomenklatura employees had the right to a two-story dacha, and ordinary citizens did not.

At the same time, from the documents of the end of 90's. one can see a complete lack of understanding of what is happening among the workers of party organizations. So, for example, in the document of the Samara OK CPSU "On the socio-economic and political situation in the region" (1990), it was stated that "... confusion in minds and panic moods are largely provoked by planting an atmosphere of social distrust and suspicion in society. .. ”, and that ... a barrier ... one-sided views ... should be increasing the responsibility of journalists, heads of editorial teams, introducing members of the public, party, Soviet and Komsomol activists to the editorial board [9].

It is indicative that the number of written appeals of workers to the party organs from 1985 to 1991 was constantly growing. This type of work is managed by the general departments of the CPSU OK. Many citizens were taken personally by the secretaries of the respective departments. All letters should be considered in a strictly fixed time. However, this rule was usually never maintained, most often because of their large number of hits. So, for example, in 1988 in the Penza OK CPSU, 865 people were personally accepted and 2632 letters were considered. The largest share of such appeals accounted for requests for the provision, distribution and repair of housing, public services, comments on the work of leading cadres, court bodies, prosecutors, police and improvement [10].

In the Samara region, for example, only for one 1985, the OC of the CPSU received 4227 letters, of which 73 percentages were sent to various committees of the OC of the CPSU and other organizations. Over the same year, 225 addressed issues related to work with letters.

Citizens' letters and issues of work with them were discussed at 115 meetings of local executive committees, 188 sessions of village councils, 30 sessions of people's deputies. The certificate of the OC CPSU "On the work of the committees for the implementation of the instructions of the XXVI CPSU Congress" On the improvement of work with letters "emphasized that all letters were considered in strictly fixed terms. However, during their initial consideration, decisions in the interests of citizens were not always made, as indicated by 700 repeated appeals on the same issues [11].

The largest number of letters concerned the housing issue, including on the abuse of official position. For example, in one of the letters it was reported that the head of the department for accounting and distribution of living space of the Togliatti city executive committee, VI Fetisov. made an illegal three-time exchange of her apartment, as a result of which she left her daughter 3-room apartment for a family in 2 a person, she herself moved to a cottage with a private plot. These facts were confirmed by verification, Fetisov was expelled from the party and dismissed [12].

But even when in the Samara region in 1990 - the first half of 1991, there was a sharp reduction in the flow of letters, the timing of their consideration continued to be grossly violated. As a result, despite all the decisions, the work with citizens' appeals has not improved! [13]

By the way, what did the Soviets of Workers' Deputies - the direct organs of state power do at this time? We will tell about it next time!

To be continued ...

Archive sources:
1. OFOPO GAPO. F. 148. On. 1. D. No. 7177. S. 30.
2. OFOPO GAPO. F. 148. On. 1. D. No. 7094. From 25.
3. OFOPO GAPO. F. P. 148. On. 1. D. No. 77176. S. 219.
4. OFOPO GAPO. F. P. 148. Op. 1.D.J7031. S. 166.
5. TsDNI (Central House of Scientific Information) F. 594. Op. 49. No. 161. C. 1.
6. OFOPO GAPO. F.P. 148, On. 1, D. No. 6902, S. 42.
7. GASPI F. 656, On. 189, d. No. 208. S. 31.
8. OFOPO GAPO. F. 148. Op. 1.D. No. 6898. S. 156.
9. GAS PI F. 656, Op. 195, D. No. 564. S. 17.
10. OFOPO HALO. F. 148. On. 1. D. No. 7228. S. 23.
11. GASPI F. 656, Op. 189, D. No. 201. S. 31.
12. Ibid. S. 31.
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  1. +3
    25 September 2017 07: 35
    All perestroika propaganda was unsuccessful and clumsy, boiled down to one continuous notorious spotlight adjustmentThis floodlight eventually ruined everything. Plus, you can add to all this no less ridiculous: elections to higher posts on a competitive basis (including in the army!), Brigade succession, democratization of the army, and so on - to live and work in acceleration mode. Stupidly everything turned out, but maybe vice versa, competently failed the country.
    1. +5
      25 September 2017 08: 32
      Quote: bober1982
      All perestroika propaganda was unsuccessful and clumsy

      Judge them by their deeds. The one who started perestroika has achieved his goal. So propaganda wasn’t so bad.
      The term "restructuring", no one has deciphered, and everyone understood it in their own way. Here is the country and went into the distribution ... Who is in the forest, who is for firewood ... By the way, even today there is no consensus on what the word perestroika means - to rebuild what and why ...
      1. +3
        25 September 2017 08: 46
        Quote: Boris55
        So propaganda wasn’t so bad.

        I agree, professional work. The results of such propaganda were amazing - at the Komsomol meetings mocking anecdotes were told about Lenin, and that was a few years before the collapse of the USSR. Who was to defend the country, the army was decomposed, as in 1917.
  2. +12
    25 September 2017 07: 53
    Now, everything has changed dramatically ... smile .. Complete democracy .. the party governors do not take bribes, non-partisan officials as well .. The abuse of power has stopped .. In our Krasnodar Territory, as pork began to get cheaper, the African plague instantly came ... And those who created competition, the main monopolists, pigs died immediately .. The Penza shoe factory began to sew the best shoes in the world .. Parisians and Parisians in the queue in the elite shops are choking, they even said there were deaths .. And those who, at that time, tried to resist this propaganda infinity y, rattled buckets on a potato penal servitude ...
    1. +5
      25 September 2017 11: 01
      Now, everything has changed dramatically ... smile . .. Continuous democracy .. the party governors do not take bribes, non-party officials as well ..

      Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Russia currently owns approximately 40% of all renewable and non-renewable natural resources of the planet. The country's wealth is estimated at 300-350 trillion. dollars. Roughly speaking, for every Russian there is potentially $ 2-2,5 million ....... By tireless work, the class of deductors brought to the West funds totaling more than $ 5 trillion. According to approximate estimates, this is almost 40 thousand dollars for each Russian, or about 100-110 thousand dollars for a family with one child, about 75-80 thousand for a family of two pensioners. This is money that one percent actually stole from the remaining ninety-nine. At the same time, the price of property and assets that were created by the labor of generations and appropriated by a narrow group of people are not taken into account. ..... Roughly speaking, in the world in the near future it will be strictly forbidden to do what the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is doing now. Only in recent months, at the expense of his own funds, he saved from bankruptcy and closed the holes of Otkritie and Binbank banks. That would be understandable if the shareholders and owners of these banks were poor or bankrupt. And they are not even millionaires, but billionaires! This is called "privatization of profits and nationalization of losses."judge of the Izborsk club Elena LARINA https://www.spb.kp.ru/daily/26735.7/3761936/
      1. +3
        25 September 2017 11: 22
        judge of the Izborsk club Elena LARINA

        I was in Izborsk. Beautiful there. On the first weekend of August, reenactment tournaments run, even horsebacks! At Truvorovo the hill fort rose.
        Hello doctor drinks I missed.. crying love I dug a huge bed, replaced the lamps in the country, saved the mouse caught by the cat from the cat, in fact, and missed it .. crying the happier the meeting! drinks
        1. +2
          25 September 2017 11: 29
          Great, Nikolai, had a really great time, I look! And with us, everything is as before laughing, also tournaments and bugs! wink Mutually crying drinks
          1. +3
            25 September 2017 11: 30
            tournaments and mistakes too!

            with violent, or with leadership? wink angry
            1. +2
              25 September 2017 11: 33
              laughing Here or there? wink You, at least a weekend off, without the Internet. Cottage, or something to start too? laughing
              1. +3
                25 September 2017 11: 48
                Here or there? wink

                I see, did you miss the weekend? wink and about Badger amused .. good
                Cottage, or something to start too?

                I think, if possible, it’s worth it. hi Creative hard work (but without the stick of the Good Monk!) Calms the nerves. Moreover, you must have beautiful places. fellow good also - fishing, mushrooms, barbecue and everything attached to it! wink drinks
                1. +4
                  25 September 2017 12: 15
                  fishing, mushrooms, barbecue and everything attached to it!

                  Yeah! Mosquitoes, ticks, encephalitis, fire. laughing
                  Head of the department for the registration and distribution of living space of the Togliatti city executive committee Fetisova V.I. made an illegal three-time exchange of her apartment, as a result of which she left her daughter an 3-room apartment for a family of 2 people, she herself moved to a cottage with a personal plot. These facts were verified, Fetisov was expelled from the party and dismissed from work.

                  Evolution: in 37 they would have planted, then in 85 they would have just fired, but now?
                  ps now go, malicious denouncer "scoop" wink
                  1. +4
                    25 September 2017 12: 19
                    and now

                    would hang the order. Although the housing issue has not yet been resolved.
                    1. +4
                      25 September 2017 14: 17
                      Although the housing issue has not yet been resolved.
                      and remembering the words of Woland, the people remained the same ..
                      1. +4
                        25 September 2017 15: 13
                        sorry, no Anton. request He would expand the discussion on Woland. wink We shove each other the same phrase about "good man Mark-the-Krysobye" drinks nothing, he will appear in the evening! good
                  2. +2
                    25 September 2017 18: 26
                    In this sense, I like the relatives of our St. Petersburg first mayor, expose everyone in a row! ,, and .... live well !!!
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2017 20: 49
                      In this sense, I like the relatives of our St. Petersburg first mayor, expose everyone in a row! ,, and .... live well !!!

                      Anton, we were waiting for you! hi drinks You mean the first and only the mayor? Whose daughter "madhouse-2" led, and now in a deep partiality to all the others, except for majors and other husks? wink
                      1. +2
                        26 September 2017 04: 24
                        Yes, yes, he himself, except his daughter, still has a widow, is also a big lover of reproving.
      2. +4
        25 September 2017 12: 58
        good Greetings ... hi Ah ... do not poison the soul .... drinks
        1. +3
          25 September 2017 13: 02
          Alexey, hello! hi Are you talking about trillions of money, or about a healthy vacation? drinks What exactly should you not poison your soul? wink
          1. +5
            25 September 2017 13: 47
            Good afternoon..! hi about trillions of money ... damned about them ... They themselves profiled their happiness .. we’ll live like beggars now ... Sometimes, I’ll poison my soul, turning over the old TM filings, I understand .. there will be no cities under the domes, we won’t build a spaceship with a photon engine and much more ... How this property can eat away a person’s soul .. Rights were M. Nagulnov, speaking about this .. and then it seemed when he read that And he had leftist views ... And about the rest .. abroad , somehow I already wrote about this, I don’t go already .. years 8, not an exit .. As our Security Service says, they traveled at the beginning of the 15th Crimea I’ve been recorded on Mirotorets and I’m apparently there ... I’m resting outside the district, developing resorts that were previously considered to be resorts of purely regional significance ... Three meals a day, striped pajamas (three + two hf) and treatment ... I'm not bad would have shown ..
            1. +3
              25 September 2017 14: 02
              And now, you have pissed off your soul. Cities- skyscrapers, underwater cities ...... Oh! Instead of everything, noodles are in a plate and on the ears.
              1. +3
                25 September 2017 14: 04
                Instead of everything, noodles in a plate and on the ears
                ... And that, not real, made not according to GOST, but in accordance with TU ... which infuriates even more ...
                1. +5
                  25 September 2017 14: 09
                  There was talk about noodles last week. wink We agreed to the point that the respected Mordvin made an acute attack of irrepressible saliva in everyone a description of his cooking .. fellow drinks
                2. +3
                  26 September 2017 06: 02
                  And do not be mad, dear Alexei. Your health is worth a lot. The noodle lies quietly in a box, does not touch anyone. If you don’t open and wonder what she’s doing, you don’t pour boiling water on her so that she grows in size and comes to life, then she herself will somehow deteriorate
            2. +4
              25 September 2017 14: 07
              cities under the domes, we will not build a spaceship with a photon engine and much more

              it will only be when the ruling elite is profitable. As long as this does not bring them superprofits, all innovations and other creativity can be thrust into a well-known place. stop
              Today we have a "day of corrupted soul", it seems. hi I, Alexei, are a fast-addicted person (true, and quickly cooling down to the stages passed, I repent recourse ), I’m interested in everything new. If there is no development, it’s boring .. request
              1. +5
                25 September 2017 14: 15
                And I’m bored ... if it doesn’t exist ... development .. We have a strange development .. I understand that we were happy during the years of the first five-year plans: Hurray, we made it ourselves, hooray, mined coal, but fine until ... uh, but a lot etc ... Now the development ... cheers, the shipyard abandoned from the 90s has earned .. No, I don’t argue .. there are successes .. but they are not big anyway .. but you think about why you had to break everything in the 90s, that today would be proud of such successes .. And if you think about the global, then you do not understand this for everyone, for whom it will be ... "chosen" .... for their happiness everything will be done ..
                1. +4
                  25 September 2017 14: 34
                  you understand this is not for everyone for whom it will be ... "chosen" .... for their happiness everything will be done ..

                  law of separation of interest.
                  at the weekend I revised The Examiner, staged by Yu.M. Solomina (I recommend there is on YouTube, from there I downloaded good ) You understand that since the time of Gorodnichny absolutely nothing changed.. what
                  1. +3
                    25 September 2017 15: 35
                    I saw a lot of Auditors, listened to radio shows, and I remember there was a live radio broadcast from some theater .. with coughing, laughing .. I can’t say which is better .. everyone likes their own something ... The only thing I didn’t like Gaidai’s film, Incognito from St. Petersburg, the old film Inspector is better .. And then, I reviewed it ... not bad .. I would not even say this film was appreciated .. Not a masterpiece ..but ... yes, there is a highlight ...
                    1. +3
                      25 September 2017 15: 38
                      old movies are generally good. good “Half” and I regularly review. Last week, we reviewed "Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka" with Millar as the devil - a miracle in general! good and the Gaida film was rarely shown, apparently, it was considered not very successful. request I had this statement in mind:

                      really, nothing has changed!
                      1. +4
                        25 September 2017 17: 09
                        Yeah ... baaaaa ... all the faces are familiar ... Besides, nothing has changed ... We built a building here in the port ... We decided to plant greenery ... in 700 thousand ... we bought it, the goof is silvery ... honestly .. the competition was .. Then the acts bring ... for cancellation ...... the goof silver didn’t take root .. in other places of the port it takes root and develops .. and we don’t .. didn’t take root .. apparently with the climate, something ... About this, as I found out later, in Petersburg ... uh, uh, they wrote to Moscow .. The canada green grass doesn’t take root .. next to this building, but they planted her darling in the country house of one of the deputies ..for the sake of the experiment .. darling got accustomed, took root, weed out ... And I was bought for official money ... They wrote off to the abnormal heat .. they supposedly rested, tired of fighting the vicissitudes of the weather ...
                  2. +3
                    25 September 2017 18: 53
                    You still read Saltykov-Shchedrin, it will become completely nauseous. I now understand why there is Kirochnaya Street in our city, and there is no Saltykov-Shchedrin.
                2. +2
                  25 September 2017 14: 37
                  Difficult, now, the chosen one. Literate a lot. Of course, they try to dull because of all their strengths, but you can’t get far on artificial AI alone. Yes, and it will be, an infection? It is necessary, nevertheless, to teach someone. And, here, again a hitch, they will think and compare. "Capital" read. Byad. In short, as in the song, "And the battle continues again ..."
                  1. +2
                    25 September 2017 15: 36
                    Chosen ones ... they will appoint themselves ... we will stay on our side ..
                    1. +2
                      25 September 2017 15: 44
                      Chosen ones ... they will appoint themselves ... we will stay on our side ..

                      It seems to me that it always has been, and in any mode .. hi
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2017 16: 05
                        Almost yes and almost no ... somewhere wider circle, somewhere already ..
                    2. +3
                      25 September 2017 15: 51
                      Assign then appoint. One reassures, "only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity. As for the first, I'm not sure." We will break through.
  3. +5
    25 September 2017 08: 05
    And now what are you campaigning for with your slogans? Yugoslav shoes even in Yugoslavia can not get it. Everything around is Chinese. In our district, all Grefbank branches have closed. No one will treat for free either. Why is the indefatigable mud pouring of the past? The past is gone. Advocate the successes of Rottenberg, Shuvalov ...
    1. +3
      25 September 2017 08: 47
      show a large log and separately a speck from the eye.
      and do not compare them-- this is also the art of propaganda.
  4. +9
    25 September 2017 09: 56
    An anecdote of Soviet times.
    The lecturer reports on the successes of the five-year plan:
    - In the city "A" a power station was built ...
    Replica from the audience:
    “I'm just from there.” there is no power station there!
    The lecturer continues:
    - A chemical plant was built in the city "B" ...
    The same voice:
    - A week ago I was there, there is no factory there!
    Lecturer explodes:
    “And you, comrade, need to hang around less and read more newspapers!”
    In my opinion. well characterizes the whole gigantic propaganda apparatus, which by the described period turned into a huge whistle, through which the remainder of the steam came out.
    Why, when they describe all this devastation, it looks like an indispensable condition of socialism.
    “In any case, in Penza, shoes of our Kuznetsk factory, if anyone bought, it’s only for work.”. And where do the classics say that under socialism you have to sew bad shoes?
    “But Yugoslav boots for 40 rubles were worn with pleasure, although they had to be taken out.”
    And in Yugoslavia, by the way, there was also socialism. Which the Yugoslavs appreciated only now. Ten years ago, while working in Skopje, the local colleagues talked about Tito. And they say to me: "With Tito, we went to buy a daughter for a prom dress in Milan, and now we don’t have decent money for a funeral."
    Any business can be turned into a catastrophe if cephalopods and hand-fingered performers take up it. And a striking example of this is the building of socialism in the post-Stalinist USSR as a whole and propaganda in it in particular.
    And then it was already a matter of technology
    1. +3
      25 September 2017 11: 16
      And in Yugoslavia, by the way, there was also socialism. Which the Yugoslavs appreciated only now. Ten years ago, while working in Skopje, the local colleagues talked about Tito. And they say to me: "With Tito, we went to buy a daughter for a prom dress in Milan, and now we don’t have decent money for a funeral."

      At one time, I was struck by an article by Albert Einstein “Why Socialism?” Published in May 1949. The great physicist very clearly substantiated why socialism is the future. He showed what a nightmare is the capitalist system, which necessarily leads to the power of the oligarchs and the oligarchy. One of the worst things he believes is the deformation of the education system: people from school get used to the fact that the main thing is to be a winner. In the capitalist system, people rob each other of their property and fight each other on completely legitimate grounds. And these are not bandits on the highway. Zhores Alferov http://portal-kultura.ru/articles/dostoyanie/1688
      02-zhores-alferov-nauka-mozhet-razvivatsya-kogda-
      nuzhna-promyshlennosti /
      1. +3
        25 September 2017 11: 37
        He wrote the article at the request of Paul Sweezy (the famous American Marxist political economist, author of the theory of monopoly capitalism) for the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949), the largest and now the oldest of the existing Marxist magazines in the United States.
        I think it will be interesting today. For those interested in the source - http://left.ru/2013/5/einstein223.phtml?print
  5. +2
    25 September 2017 10: 26
    Quote: Curious
    And a striking example of this is the building of socialism in the post-Stalinist USSR as a whole and propaganda in it in particular.

    That's it! That is, the system was built so that it passed them to leverage. But in principle, it should not have been!
    1. +6
      25 September 2017 11: 17
      You can also talk about the built system.
      “System” (let's call it for short) of the monarchy in Russia how many years existed? Even if you start with Ivan III, then about 450 years. And for four and a half centuries, the "system" has not developed a reliable mechanism of "selection", ending its existence with a series of military defeats and a bloody Civil War.
      Consider the "system" of socialism. At the time of Stalin's death, it existed for 36 years. During this time, the system survived the Civil and Patriotic (not counting minor conflicts) wars. In fact, the country twice rebuilt the economy from ruins. So I consider the reproaches regarding the construction of the system inappropriate.
  6. +3
    25 September 2017 11: 22
    It was on such slogans that agitation for socialism was built here. Yes, that's something she did not act! In any case, in Penza, for us, the shoes of our Kuznetsk factory, if anyone bought, then only for work. But the Yugoslav shoes for 40 rubles wore with pleasure, although they had to get.

    In Yugoslavia there was also socialism. Therefore, your example is not correct. Moreover, if people lived in the USSR as in socialist Yugoslavia or the GDR, then everyone would be happy and no perestroika would be needed.
    Accordingly, the quality of goods does not depend on the system, but on the economic system.
    But the fact that tens of thousands of people were engaged in boltology reminds me of Orwell’s novel. Reality is one, and agitators claim to be different.
    1. +1
      25 September 2017 12: 37
      The example of socialist Yugoslavia and the GDR is also unsuccessful, it’s propaganda, no more. Maybe we could reach the level of these countries, but only if we refused any help (to the East Germans), including the forced planting of socialism, and the West helped the Yugoslavs , they did without us.
      1. +3
        25 September 2017 12: 49
        and the West helped the Yugoslavs, they did without us.

        Loans from the West? You take strangers, and you give yours. They fused their products to us. As soon as our problems began, led by Gorbachev, their economy collapsed. What is the help of the West?
        1. +1
          25 September 2017 13: 00
          Bourgeois propaganda worked effectively in Yugoslavia, speaking the Marxist language. They did not want to build any socialism.
          1. +4
            25 September 2017 13: 03
            Yeah. Now, without socialism, it’s just heaven!
            1. +1
              25 September 2017 13: 39
              There is no long ago Yugoslavia, but I’m talking about the effectiveness of propaganda.
              1. +2
                25 September 2017 13: 43
                There is no Yugoslavia, but people have remained. And they, and ours without Judah, could not do anything.
                1. +1
                  25 September 2017 13: 54
                  Quote: avva2012
                  And they, and ours without Judah, could not do anything.

                  And it could not do without propaganda, but only when it’s the propaganda and agitation of Sivolapai, then the countries disappear.
                  1. +2
                    25 September 2017 14: 17
                    Oh, Suslov would ask why he hated the country so much! And propaganda, yes it was, was at first petty-bourgeois, and then, as expected, "100 millions were shot."
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2017 14: 27
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Oh, Suslov would ask why he hated the country so much!

                      How shoud I understand this? Mikhail Andreyevich was secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the editor-in-chief of the newspaper Pravda, even under Stalin, and he quickly dealt with petty-bourgeois comrades.
                      1. +3
                        25 September 2017 14: 40
                        I don’t know how he understood there (all the same, others understood), but he was the main propagandist for a long time. And why, propaganda has become a "Sivolap", a question for him, a disease.
      2. +2
        25 September 2017 15: 15
        About socialist Yugoslavia and the GDR, the example is also unsuccessful, this is propaganda, no more

        this is not propaganda, but the testimonies of the people who have been there.
  7. +3
    25 September 2017 15: 47
    avva2012,
    This is true propaganda was a “fool” and even I would say it poured water on the enemy’s mill ... That’s why the Gulag Archipelago was classified, but why .. why would it be published in the USSR .. without corrections, but with notes .. ..then lying again, but it wasn’t like that ... They would have given money for the publication ... and on this Solzhenitsyn’s career would have ended ... He wouldn’t have become needed in the West .. And the West, the language bit about freedom of speech in the USSR and dissidents ... But no, they were silent and heated up the hype ...
    1. +2
      25 September 2017 16: 23
      Good idea! laughing And a state prize in addition, a summer house in Peredelkino wassat I do not know who this archepilagus read before the late perestroika? So, individual citizens. The trouble, maybe in another. Propaganda was true. They spoke about the West, because the truth. At the same time, all the best was purchased from the West. TVs are not consumer goods, but super. Other products are only of excellent quality. When their ham in banks appeared in the 90's, people were perplexed, but what kind of G. .. this could not be. But it was too late. In 70-80's, it seemed that everything they had was bought from our underground. Life, a fairy tale there, but they say, they blow into our ears. Sobering came quickly, but late. The engine, as they say, has already left.
      1. +4
        25 September 2017 17: 32
        I do not know who this archepilagus read before the late perestroika?
        .. I read, being a conscious Komsomol member and a member of the Komsomol school committee for three days .. in the year 1983 .. The sheets were typewritten .. lurking .. But after reading ... I began to look for sources .. where did he get these numbers from and the events ..The most amazing thing didn’t fit .. And when Spark began to publish articles about repressions ... I read it quite critically ... I remember that he already lived in St. Petersburg ... in a dormitory .. a friend flew into the room, waving Rezun's book Day We .. seems. .You imagine, we helped the Germans ... We spent the night and night, went away in the morning ... damn then tea would be for coupons, so much tea was consumed by him .. until I explained .. that everything was wrong .. And why I taught history poorly at school ...
    2. +1
      25 September 2017 17: 33
      By the way, you called the absolutely correct move. I give this example to students as an example of a propaganda error at the time. I bet you 5+.
      1. +4
        25 September 2017 17: 49
        Vyacheslav, there is a lot of stupid things, our propaganda allowed .. from the school I understood .. They forbidden what should not have been forbidden .. The Beatles were forbidden until 1980 .., I had a lot of minions with Beatle songs .. but without the name of the ensemble or the words folk or the surname is distorted .. In 1980, J. Lenon was killed .. in the country and in the world a second wave of Beatlemania began .. They didn’t forbid already .. because he was killed by an imperialist mercenary .. Why didn’t I understand how on purpose ... Again same .. The history of tsarist Russia in the Soviet period .. why did darkness write poverty and hopelessness .. No, they were good, objective works .. But for some reason such works came out in the first place .. And now propaganda is being built in relation to the Soviet period in this way ..if there weren’t any sausages, it’s bad ... Naive .. not everyone accepts such agitation .. And those who don’t perceive, conduct counter-propaganda ... voluntarily or not freely .. and the result will be the opposite effect .. Although I don’t argue , a fair amount of the electorate was brainwashed .. But the reverse process has already begun ... "Again you tell me put this caviar! I can’t eat it every day, cursed ... I can’t eat it every day, cursed. If only I got the bread! "
        1. +2
          25 September 2017 18: 55
          Quote: parusnik
          Vyacheslav, there is a lot of stupid things, our propaganda allowed .. from the school I understood .. They forbidden what should not have been forbidden .. The Beatles were forbidden until 1980 .., I had a lot of minions with Beatle songs .. but without the name of the ensemble or the words folk or the surname is distorted


          The Beatles are a completely harmless phenomenon, but quite the opposite. It is a pity that many did not understand then, do not understand now.
          Those who still believe that the Beatles brought “hope, peace and love” to the world are deeply mistaken. They brought drugs to the world. That is, they destroyed hope, peace, and love.
          Some Beatles songs have hidden narcotic connotations.
          "Yellow submarine" - "Submarine" - a braking drug.
          “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds” - The capital letters of the significant words of the name are added to the drug LSD.
          “Hey Jude” is broadly interpreted as a song about a drug known as methadrine.
          "Strawberry glades" - to hide the crops of opium poppy, it is often planted in thickets of strawberries.
          Norwegian Forest is the British name for marijuana.
          John Coleman wrote in his book, The Beatles Phenomenon was not a spontaneous youth riot against the old social system. On the contrary, it was a carefully designed plan by elusive conspirators to introduce an extremely destructive element into a large target group of the population, whose consciousness was planned to change against its will. ”

          Generally speaking, all these hippies, woodstock, rock music and so on. - well managed and launched into the masses - for the sake of the final breakdown of the conservative West with its Christian values.

          And this was done by the ruling classes of the West in order to ordinary people and their zombies.
          Unfortunately, this masculinity migrated to us ...
          I propose to read the Beatles material at the link
          https://newsland.com/user/4297699829/content/bitl
          z-prinesli-v-mir-narkotiki / 4185086
          1. +4
            25 September 2017 20: 51
            Alexander, I’ve read this before ... I wasn’t surprised ... I’m surprised one ... as I was listening to this music, I still have not become a drug addict and have not absorbed the vices of capitalist society and its principles .. Why reading Solzhenitsyn, Voinovich, Zinoviev , Oruela, Kafka, Averchenko, Taffy, Bunin, etc. did not become anti-Soviet ... And lyrical ... I don’t know how for you, for me, blues is a state of mind ... Yes, and ideological .. Jazz is not the music of thick ..I will still listen to jazz .. and music .. smile
            1. +1
              25 September 2017 23: 18
              Quote: parusnik
              I am surprised one ... while listening to this music, he still has not become a drug addict and has not absorbed the vices of capitalist society and its principles ... anti-adviser ..

              There are exceptions to every rule. Pay attention to the bulk of youth, and everything will become clear why all this was done.
              1. +4
                26 September 2017 05: 37
                And then it turns out that the most ingenious producer and puppeteer remained behind the scenes ..... Or is it a team of invisible authors? Have you come up with new music, have you come up with interest in Eastern and African techniques?
                1. +1
                  26 September 2017 07: 46
                  The most important thing is sowing poppy seeds in strawberries! This is a real breakthrough in world crop production! That there Vavilov and Lysenko, even Khrushchev did not think of such a thing.
                2. 0
                  26 September 2017 11: 24
                  We are all victims of the world behind the scenes. And if she is so brilliant and omnipotent, is it worth it to speak out against her?
            2. +3
              26 September 2017 06: 10
              Taking off my hat!
            3. +3
              26 September 2017 07: 38
              Quote: parusnik I am surprised one ... as he listens to this music, he still has not become a drug addict and has not absorbed the vices of capitalist society and its principles .. Why reading, ......

              People with a critical mindset, so to speak, are vanishingly few. If you take the position of those who decided what to let go and what not to let go, then they probably took this factor into account. Therefore, they tried to cover up the alien culture of the gaining power of neoliberalism, which in my opinion is absolutely correct (https://regnum.ru/news/society/2217713.html Six signs of anti-life), but this is from the side, and even after so many years it’s easy criticize, and then believed that the ban, and that's all, this will be enough. Alas, jeans, body shirts, tape recorders, films shot at the Baltic film studios about how they rotted there, were in dissonance with the main policy of agitprop.
              1. +1
                26 September 2017 07: 51
                The trouble is that Russia-USSR is not strong in counter-propaganda ... We clumsy approach, on the principle: "It is more useful to ban" ... I remember in the year 1983 a list of Soviet and foreign performers was published, it was forbidden to twist them at discotheques .. And it came out an incident, they became popular, everyone wanted to get it .. and I didn’t get everything, honestly, I didn’t like the majority .. the crap ... And many liked it, because the “forbidden” remember the episode from the Zakharov movie 12 chairs, when Bender was in a pack Soviet cigarettes glues a foreign sticker and treats ladies? And they trudge like, but foreign is better .. That's trudge ... I remember Soviet jeans: Russia and Tver ..class! Worn, about 6 years old .. the first batch was excellent, then they started to make rubbish .. Why ..? .. And the result is sad .. "theirs" is better than ours ...
                1. +3
                  26 September 2017 08: 33
                  Quote: parusnik
                  The trouble is that Russia-USSR is not strong in counter-propaganda ... T

                  Propaganda in the USSR was strong until the word was at odds with the deed. But after Stalin's death, everything changed, propaganda became a craft for most talkers who began to feed on it, and who said one thing, thought another and did the third. Today, such propagandists are equally successful in promoting anti-communism. You don’t have to go far for an example.
                  1. +2
                    26 September 2017 09: 21
                    Today, such propagandists are equally successful in promoting anti-communism.

                    If.
                    They began to promote anti-communism, nevertheless it is "better." Have you trusted the programmers? They make, for example, a movie about the feat of the Soviet people ("Time of the First"), they add something like disgust there, like a virus. That pilots hysteria, doing a "feat" against the Soviet state, and apparently, to do so. They have a mess at every turn. Fuck and almost alcoholics. Naturally, "people in civilian clothes," how without them? Everyone is shaking and only thinking how not to get into the Gulag. And other absurdities, a wagon and a small cart. This, me and people older than me, understand that bullshit, and younger perceive "with a bang" and moreover are surprised to hear criticism, "there is no anti-Soviet, there is about a feat!". Even in the good movie "28 Panfilov" and what kind of d-mo about reasoning, they say we are all Russian here, and when we defend Kazakhstan, will we all become Kazakhs ?! Soviet, we were Soviet!
                    So, the propaganda of anti-communism adapted, mimicked, became thinner and more dangerous from this.
                    1. +2
                      26 September 2017 16: 13
                      Quote: avva2012
                      So, the propaganda of anti-communism adapted, mimicked, became thinner and more dangerous from this.

                      Fully agree with you.
                    2. +2
                      26 September 2017 16: 56
                      Yes, nevermind !!! With all due respect to you personally! You and I were Soviet, and our parents, as representatives of the titular nation, were hammered into us internationalism from a kindergarten pot! All the rest proceeded from the thesis: "a successful turn brings most of the blankets." Unfortunately, the current government is following the same rake.
                  2. 0
                    26 September 2017 11: 23
                    Due to the incidents of the newspaper Pravda, by 1953 the bulk of the population of the USSR did not trust the print press !!! So all this happened during the life of a mustachioed cockroach, who understood something, but did not understand the technology of managing information flows at all. It was he who allowed the presence of THREE multidirectional streams of information in the press, and ONLY ONE was needed. Why did you allow it? He himself edited the Truth with a red / blue pencil. But ... did not understand, then!
                    1. +2
                      26 September 2017 16: 21
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Due to the incidents of the newspaper Pravda, by 1953 the bulk of the population of the USSR did not trust the print press !!!

                      Not true. The bulk of the people just trusted in 1953 and 1991. And did I.V. understand the bill? Stalin in managing information or not, this is not for you to judge.
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2017 16: 56
                        No, really! Otherwise, there would be no attempt to replace three threads with one. And they were replaced, but only by 1949. The top has grown wiser! And by 1991, the people in general no longer trusted our press. There was even a joke about "one work left." Moreover, studies of trust in the press were carried out right up to the age of 91. And to judge just me. According to the results. Since any business completes the result. And if he is not, or he is bad, then the organizer is also bad, incompetent. Yes, and performers in the letter g ...
                    2. 0
                      26 September 2017 17: 03
                      I get the impression that only one person in the middle of the last century at least understood something in managing information flows. Dr. Goebels.
                2. +1
                  26 September 2017 09: 24
                  Quote: parusnik And the result is sad .. "theirs" is better than ours ...

                  It started with the economy. First, they introduced a plan for quantity, not quality. Then, like, they came to their senses: "The Tenth Five-Year Plan-Five Year Plan of Quality!". The slogan was given, and the system created by Suslov, Kosygin left. So it became "theirs" better than ours.
          2. +3
            26 September 2017 06: 08
            Another attempt to pull an owl on the globe.
  8. +2
    25 September 2017 16: 31
    parusnik,
    Almost yes and almost no ... somewhere wider circle, somewhere already ..

    this is an error, I think. Yes, at some point in your life you become a skeptic .. what
  9. +3
    25 September 2017 17: 15
    parusnik,
    Yes Yes!
    The mayor. To complain? And who helped you lose your mind when you built a bridge and wrote a tree for twenty thousand, while it was not even a hundred rubles? I helped you, goat beard! Did you forget that? Having shown this to you, I could also send you to Siberia. What do you say? and?
    Merchants. Blame God, Anton Antonovich! Sly beguiled. And go ahead complaining. Oh, what you like satisfaction, do not be angry only!
    that is, an interesting form of procurement was then! request
    1. +2
      25 September 2017 17: 23
      And most importantly, the frauds are the same ... "The city man. Complaining? ... Merchants. They are guilty of God, Anton Antonovich! Sly beguiled. And we will repent forward complaining. What kind of satisfaction do you want, don’t be angry only!" .. We have about the same intrigue ... and you look the new boss came .. and with him the same way ... when the stern auditor appears, in the form of an audit ... Sometimes I feel in the country of literary heroes ..
      1. +3
        25 September 2017 17: 52
        Sly beguiled. And go ahead complaining.

        and when someone anonymously complains upstairs, they begin not to eliminate the cause of the complaint, but to look for the complainant proper. Question: how many so-called "liberals" gave rise to tyranny and injustice dishonest boss-eyewitnesses dishonest? what
        Wonderful Gorodnych reads a letter addressed to himself:
        "Since I know what is behind you (in the sense of Gorodnichim - approx. Mikado), like everyone else, there are sins, because you are a smart person and don’t like to miss what floats in your hands ..."(stopping) well, here are your ... "
        I think Gogol was a genius. And I read it with pleasure.
        1. +3
          25 September 2017 17: 58
          Nonsense, probably our tradition and we keep it .. We don’t eradicate it .. Although how? .. In Soviet times there were local committees, party committees and other comas .. not always helpful people sat there .. But helpful people gave up .. these comas became tyrants make their way and tyrants tyrants..Oh, and our classics are strong .. Woe from wit, came to mind ... a strong thing .. in youth and youth you do not always understand .. understanding with age comes ...
          1. +3
            25 September 2017 21: 05
            In Soviet times, there were local committees, party committees and other comas .. not always intelligent people sat there ..

            Dear Alexey (I don’t know your middle name, I’m used to calling respected people by first name and patronymic), but let's take it earlier? The phrase of Athanasius Nikitin: "And God save the Russian land. In this world there is no country like her, although the fugitives (princely governors - approx. Magidovich) Russian lands are unfair. Let the Russian land be landscaped, for there is little justice in it". Nothing has changed since the Middle Ages! request Therefore .. there will be a fattening elite, in which once in a hundred years Alexander Nevsky, Peter I or Stalin will be born (yes, he was a good administrator! Anyone, but also a good administrator). There will be generals, and Skopins-Shuysky, Suvorovs, Skobelevs, Zhukovs will be born. There will be governors and top managers of any large corporation with state participation - fugitives, although among them there are Queens, Grabiny and Stolypin. There will be ordinary people like us. There will be lumpen, one of them, having received an apartment from the state for free, has been urinating at my entrance once or twice a week for five years now. It would be better if someone else was given this hut! angry and not calculate!
            I think it’s worth living honestly yourself .. But I don’t want to look at the others above. I live in conscience, doing my own business. hi
            1. +4
              26 September 2017 07: 05
              Nikolay! How is it possible?
              "There is a curb, there is no" border "
              There is no grill, there is a grill
              At the "stalls" they drink culturally
              At the "tents" do not drink here
              ...
              They don’t urinate here in the “porches”
              Here in the "front" just with ... t "
              1. +4
                26 September 2017 10: 29
                Yes Yes Yes! and at the same time in the middle of the night every day drunk cries are heard from the yard. And after the weekend, all approaches to the parade are bled. I am beginning to understand that there are people, and there are pigs, and perhaps this is genetic. request there are certainly no more good people. But the general opinion is formed on pigs.
                This is the question of whether we should try to make everyone happy. The eternal question on our branch, to which there is no answer, apparently. Especially two respected ones like to dive around him. laughing drinks
                1. +2
                  26 September 2017 19: 10
                  Nikolay, somehow you surprised me with this comment. Of course, we live far from each other, but not so much. Although, somehow, at 9 a.m. on Sunday I walked along English Prospect, I saw instructive.
                  1. +3
                    26 September 2017 19: 20
                    Of course, we live far from each other, but not so much.

                    EN also said that they have everything clean in the Urals. request I do not know! Am I "lucky" to my place of residence, or am I just focusing too much on some part of the population? what
  10. +1
    25 September 2017 18: 22
    Mikado,
    Anton - is!
    You want a quote in the topic, I have them:
    "-And what are these steps on the stairs ?,
    -And they’re coming to arrest us! "(I don’t even know whether either Bulgakov or Kinchev)
    Mikado,
    1. +3
      25 September 2017 21: 10
      And they are going to arrest us!

      if the Commander-in-Chief comes in a skirt, then we .. when trying to escape .... Although we have already said, you’ll only be personally beaten wink
      1. +2
        26 September 2017 05: 33
        Even I did not understand about the skirt? Who is it? Did Merkel and Clinton know about us?
        Or are you hinting at the GOGOL heroes?
        1. +3
          26 September 2017 06: 50
          No, comrade Ilyin, on the other side of the barricades, but (here you are right) the IQ level is about the same.
          1. +1
            26 September 2017 17: 49
            personally, you will only get wink

            You will be kicked while trying to escape laughing If Diana comes to power, you, Anton, will not have to use some words to pass for a worker-peasant completely. wink
        2. +2
          26 September 2017 10: 31
          Dmitry, you will not be touched drinks
          1. +2
            26 September 2017 11: 14
            In my view, Diana is a warrior, an angry Deity !!! Feel free to rush to the attack, quickly finds words !!! I HERE not one poem written to her (though comic). And about IQ ... well ... I agree! If Diana becomes the Chancellor several times in a row, or at least once a presidential candidate --- we will all be happy and proud to meet her.
            1. +2
              26 September 2017 16: 52
              God forbid we all have such a woman even as a candidate! How much can one be dishonored before the whole world?
              1. +2
                26 September 2017 17: 43
                God forbid we all have such a woman even as a candidate!

                If this happens, you will be shot first, as if they did not agree. Me second, like a bourgeois. There is no reason to shoot Kurios .. what but it hurts my eyes with an invasion with our sweeping! angry Therefore, they will hang it, Rev. Benjamin will knock out a stool from under his feet to his utmost pleasure. fellow Tip on the tongue! stop joking, God forbid! hi
                1. +2
                  26 September 2017 18: 10
                  VikNick is a citizen of another state, if only an ice ax, according to the classics.
                  1. +3
                    26 September 2017 18: 23
                    if only an ice ax, according to the classics

                    so he .. in general, did not come out with convictions request he does not pull on the Trotskyist, even kill yourself. what Nothing, now Viktor Nikolayevich will pour me kaaak at the bottom of today's article about the revolution! laughing "I, grit, Replacing the Good Sleeping Doctor today, turn around, my dear, I’ll put an enema with gramophone needles for you to think better" fellow stop (last gesture is a gesture messages to the stop stop ) drinks
            2. +3
              26 September 2017 17: 44
              or at least once a presidential candidate --- we will all be happy and proud to get to know her.

              it will be you. drinks I will write at night involuntarily belay
              1. +2
                26 September 2017 19: 02
                Quote: Mikado
                joking, God forbid!

                Joke in vain, because popular wisdom says that "In every joke there is only a fraction of a joke." Not afraid that will come true?
                1. +1
                  26 September 2017 19: 17
                  Alexander, I'm afraid. hi Therefore, tipun to my tongue. Enough of revolutions of any kind and color. stop when for some difference a part of the people exterminates another part, and, as a rule, stupid exterminate smart. Exactly! all revolutions were made by the hands of lumpens! hi
                  or should I already go to the Philadelphia washed washroom, will you smack? laughing drinks (but the last is a joke, of course drinks )
                  1. +3
                    26 September 2017 19: 24
                    Quote: Mikado
                    Alexander, I'm afraid

                    When perestroika began, one of the people respected by me at one of the meetings said that many of us would be ashamed during this time.
                    1. +2
                      26 September 2017 20: 37
                      what can I say .. he was right! request I would add: "it will be bitter."
                      1. +2
                        26 September 2017 23: 37
                        Quote: Mikado
                        I would add: "it will be bitter."

                        I agree, only then no one could even think that things would go so far.
              2. +1
                26 September 2017 19: 20
                It cannot be, Nikolai! You are not a child. Diana, of course, is strict, but fair!
  11. +1
    25 September 2017 19: 22
    parusnik,
    Somehow frivolously, non-state. Here we have Valentina Ivanovna decided to plant oak and sticky trees on Moskovsky Prospekt, about 7 years ago, for 10 million rubles. They died ... Well, and ???
    1. +3
      25 September 2017 20: 31
      And you do not compare the scale of the county and the provincial city ... And Moskovsky Prospekt is not a place for sticks and oak trees .. a bad place ... smile I don’t remember there greens .. and in the 80s and 90s, apparently and earlier they tried to plant greenery but it didn’t work out .. smile
      1. +2
        26 September 2017 05: 17
        Quote: parusnik
        And you do not compare the scale of the county and the provincial city ... A. smile

        In short, dead souls led by Gogol nervously smoke on the sidelines! HERE and Nikolai Vasilievich, finished the story of dead souls, looked, and was horrified: "" I wrote the instructions for future generations !!!! "" Yes, and destroyed that I could !!! .... I saw and described the future, yes so that until now the predictions come true !!!! .... The greatest seer !!!!!
        1. +4
          26 September 2017 10: 16
          Yes, and destroyed that he could !!!

          they say Chernyshevsky also wrote his second volume "What to do", too, was horrified and burned with shouts of" chur me, chur! " belay and that, by the way, was called: "Take off your pants and run" request drinks joke! laughing
    2. +2
      26 September 2017 05: 03
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      parusnik,
      Somehow frivolously, non-state. Here we have Valentina Ivanovna decided to plant oak and sticky trees on Moskovsky Prospekt, about 7 years ago, for 10 million rubles. They died ... Well, and ???

      Ah ah ah! Anton !!! An adult like !!! And the tram tracks? So they are, then them that way, and then in general, nafig !!!! And the earth suffers everything ---- how much €€€€, $$$$, rubles are buried in it ..... Not return them !!! Oaks, sticky .... What are you talking about? .... Good --- VMA remained in its place ..... How many unfinished projects .....
      1. +2
        26 September 2017 05: 50
        With a good, foggy morning, Dmitry!
        1. Trams, for modern urban infrastructure - evil in its purest form. IMHO.
        2. It remains to hang the diggers by the legs and wait for the gold from the mouth to tumble.
        3. Finish building slowly, though without orchestras and ribbons
        1. +3
          26 September 2017 06: 46
          Good morning, Anton!
          1. I love trams.
          2.gold will not fall out, they are safely recycled.
          3. Yes, I remember reading and observing some discoveries.
          1. +2
            26 September 2017 07: 35
            According to claim 2., maybe preventively?
            1. +3
              26 September 2017 11: 01
              Here's what I remembered. It was during the time of Valentina Ivanovna that they began to congratulate the Great Patriotic War veterans on holidays, give them gifts, and invite them to concerts at their place of residence. My grandmother, like many others, kept them until the last day.
              Books were also published on Victory Day about WWII Veterans of Leningrad and the region, on white chalk paper.
  12. +3
    26 September 2017 09: 49
    Quote: avva2012
    "only two things are infinite: the Universe As for the first, I'm not sure."

    CORRECTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Universe, having no boundaries, has a finite volume! Riemannian hypersphere.
    I apologize to the author Svetlana for deviating from the topic. I am interested in Soviet time and love it. It was the time of my preschool childhood. Therefore, I still do not understand the topic of the article, but I try!
    1. +3
      26 September 2017 10: 30
      Quote: Reptiloid Therefore, I still do not understand the topic of the article, but I try!

      I think Dmitry, the one who will understand, How? and Why?, having such a state as the USSR, we all ended up here and now, not yet born. It is difficult to imagine the level of genius of someone who answers a couple of simple questions, even difficult to compare with someone else.
      1. +2
        26 September 2017 10: 50
        Thank you, Alexander!!! Half or a third of what you showed since childhood in my memory. And something life-size has been preserved TILL TIME!
        1. +2
          26 September 2017 11: 04
          "share your smile ..." How could such a country that produced such cartoons, as well as geniuses on a humanistic plane, feature films and books, be "Morder" ?! There is a proverb that is a paraphrase of an even older truth from the Book, "Oranges will not be born from aspen."
    2. +1
      26 September 2017 11: 15
      Dmitry - deviate as much as you like. But Svetlana does not like this time. He can not forgive him leaky tights and knitted blouses in terrible roses.
      1. +3
        26 September 2017 19: 32
        And who tore these tights and who knitted blouses? Sorry, not in the subject. In old books everything seems to be fine, some fashion magazines were ..... This topic is far away. Although according to HISTORY-TV, something was about a shortage of lingerie .....
  13. 0
    26 September 2017 16: 42
    Was Yugoslavia a capitalist country? In Soviet times? Then something fell into a stupor, I myself had Yugoslav sneakers, the army kirsa was easier, but I attributed the figs how much. I would have bought it again, for the rest of my life, having spun on capitalist products ...
    1. +2
      26 September 2017 18: 59
      Quote: tv70
      Was Yugoslavia a capitalist country? In Soviet times?

      I confirm this, as to the Soviet sailors, the Yugoslav currency was counted as capitalist and exchanged another kapstran currency. The currency of the social countries was exchanged only for foreign bank checks.
  14. +1
    26 September 2017 19: 15
    kalibr,
    Quote: kalibr
    No, really! Otherwise, there would be no attempt to replace three threads with one. And they were replaced, but only by 1949. The top has grown wiser! And by 1991, the people in general no longer trusted our press. There was even a joke about "one work left." Moreover, studies of trust in the press were carried out right up to the age of 91. And to judge just me. According to the results.

    Firstly, if the people in 1991 did not believe the printed word, then they would not have bought on the promises of the perestroika. Secondly, in order to judge objectively about Stalin's time, one must not be a biased researcher. Fear and pathological hatred of I.V. are blocking your eyes. To Stalin and, in general, to everything Soviet. You are even afraid to write the name of this great man.
  15. 0
    27 September 2017 11: 47
    Alexander Green,
    that things go so far.

    and with so many victims ..