Under Borisoglebsk, the combat training Yak-130 crashed

16 September 2017 of the year when performing a training flight near the airport Borisoglebsk crashed training and combat aircraft Yak-130.

The crew stole the aircraft from nearby buildings and safely ejected. After landing, both pilots immediately contacted, nothing threatens their life and health. To evacuate the pilots in the area of ​​the accident sent a search and rescue team.

- Said the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The Defense Ministry added that to investigate the causes of the crash of the aircraft from the airfield, Chkalovsky is preparing to send a flight safety commission of the Russian Armed Forces.

The failure of the engine systems could have caused the accident of the Yak-130 military training aircraft near the Borisoglebsk airfield on Saturday, an informed source told Interfax.

According to preliminary information, the cause of the accident could be a crash of engine systems

- Said the source agency.

At the same time, he noted that the whole picture of the incident will be restored after the investigation.

The Yak-130 is a Russian combat training aircraft, a light attack aircraft developed by the Yakovlev Design Bureau to replace the L-39 training aircraft in the Russian Air Force.

Comments

[Jedi]

Sorry for the car, of course, but the main thing is that the pilots are alive. I hope that the investigation will not become a proforma and will not appoint pilots as switchmen.

[Monos]

Quote: Jedi

I hope the investigation does not become proforma

There are two possible options: either someone will receive a lyule, or the pilots will receive a reward.

[Jedi]

It is the first option that I fear, the easiest way to blame everything on the "human factor".

[Monos]

Strange coincidences: SU-27 crashes in America and a pilot dies, right here the Yak-Xnumx falls. Question: in Yak, the control and navigation system on which element base?
By the way, the data on the crash in Nevada was classified and Trump suggested disabling the Internet (albeit for a different reason).

[Jedi]

A pessimist would say that coincidence is a special case of law. But I am not one, and I won’t begin to inflate the theme of a worldwide conspiracy. I'm not an expert in aviation, but if I understand your question correctly, then the Yak-130 is on the figure. But the Su-27 is initially analog.

[cniza]

Good day to all! , it happens, the main thing is to figure it out and draw the appropriate conclusions, and it's good that the pilots are alive.

[NIKNN]

Quote: cniza

Good day to all!

Sadly ...., native V.P. BVVAUL Chkalov, three times the red banner ..., Well, in aviation, not without it, Somehow 2 engines did not save ..., sadness ...

[Letun]

Well then, I fell. It happens. But these are all working moments, the most important thing is the F-35 guano.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Letun

Well then, I fell. It happens. But these are all working moments, the most important thing is the F-35 guano.

I don’t agree ... From what I know how a profession demanded (well, retired already) F-35 is cooler than F-22) Believe me, the pilot ... I would not want to encounter him if the operation is correctly planned ...

[Letun]

Quote: NIKNN

I do not agree ...

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[Solomon Kane]

Strange coincidences

The strange thing is that the 3rd jamb to the 130th in less than a year ....
Guys, salute to all!

[Zibelew]

What month of falling planes? As of July 21, 2017, four Yak-130s were lost. This is the fifth. In 2015, 14 Yak-130s were delivered to the Russian Air Force and 18 units were exported. In 2016 - 10 units in the Russian Air Force and 9 units for export.

[Don]

With such an accident, the number of deliveries of the Yak-130 in part will be slightly more than the number of lost. And the pilots are likely to be afraid of him. I would like to know exactly the opinions of flyers teaching piloting on it.

[Solomon Kane]

I meant in Russia

[Don]

Quote: Monos

Strange coincidences: SU-27 crashes in America and a pilot dies, right here the Yak-Xnumx falls.

I do not understand the connection between them. The other day near Kaluga, the Tu-22 rolled out of the runway and fell apart. If you connected this accident with today's one, then it would be even less clear: gouging, etc.

[Rushnairfors]

The Jedi will not have proformas here, everyone checks, even that which is not directly related to the flight

[Jedi]

I hope so. But where there are large shoulder straps right up to the stripes, impartiality often fails, and this is where the switchmen appear ...

[Rushnairfors]

There was a command link and a cadet on the plane. I think the stripes are most interested in an objective investigation. After all, it is riveted for export, potential customers may turn away

[Teberii]

It's good that everyone is alive, they will find a reason there.

[okko077]

There are 2 engines on the plane, I’m just in a stupor from such comments of dummies, including the author of the article ... Although don’t repeat nonsense, write simply: the reasons are being clarified

[Mavrikiy]

The crew took the plane away from nearby buildings and safely ejected. After landing, both pilots immediately got in touch, nothing threatens their life and health.
Well, thank God. But parents tomorrow to .......

[Professor]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The crew took the plane away from nearby buildings and safely ejected. After landing, both pilots immediately got in touch, nothing threatens their life and health.
Well, thank God. But parents tomorrow to .......

Well, how much can you believe in these tales, or do you think cadets are taught to fly over densely populated areas? Or is there nowhere else to fly?

Remained alive, glory to Gd.

[cariperpaint]

Of course, I wildly apologize, but where did you see densely populated areas there?)))

[Professor]

Quote: cariperpaint

Of course, I wildly apologize, but where did you see densely populated areas there?)))

Just me about it.

Quote: Rushnairfors

Professor almost all training airfields of the Krasnodar VVAUL are located in densely populated areas, what bothers you? Look at Armavir, Tikhoretsk, Kushchevskaya, Maykop, Michurinsk and so on

It bothers me that after almost every bailout, journalists start either pouring mud on the pilots or making heroes out of them: "... risking their lives they took the plane away from ... the city, the village, the buildings."

PS
I about this:

Quote: Herkulesich

Well done pilots, did not let the plane fall at home, although they knew that they themselves could die But, thank God, nothing happened!

[WUA 518]

Quote: Professor

Just me about it.
Quote: Rushnay

Oleg welcome. Type in search:
Babsk L-39 PK = 121
There Simers have a video landing, everything is clearly visible

[cariperpaint]

during an emergency, there are clear action algorithms. if in your own words then at this moment a person is working on autopilot. I don’t know their instructions, but if you imagine that leaving home is part of them, then all their actions are exactly as the journalists described. it's just the norm for the pilot, but for us a heroic act. but there are cases of self-sacrifice, such as Su 27 Belarusian in Poland, which the pilots took away and did not catapult. themselves died at the same time. or one of the heroes who put a plane into the forest near Moscow, although he could survive .. I mean that for a simple person they are heroes and there’s nothing bad.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Professor

Quote: Mavrikiy

The crew took the plane away from nearby buildings and safely ejected. After landing, both pilots immediately got in touch, nothing threatens their life and health.
Well, thank God. But parents tomorrow to .......

Well, how much can you believe in these tales, or do you think cadets are taught to fly over densely populated areas? Or is there nowhere else to fly?

Remained alive, glory to Gd.

No, well, we are in terms of population density with Israel ... what’s it, Nakhopetovka’s not competing. Just taken away from the buildings.
And you do not allow the presence of a calf?
Then you have a place in the desert.

[Rushnairfors]

Professor almost all training airfields of the Krasnodar VVAUL are located in densely populated areas, what bothers you? Look at Armavir, Tikhoretsk, Kushchevskaya, Maykop, Michurinsk and so on

[Paul from Germany]

Most importantly, the pilots escaped !!!

[dr.mel51]

Pilots are alive and this is GOOD. but at one time they abandoned single-engine aircraft because of less accident rate who would say it was worth it or not.

[marshes]

Quote: dr.mel51

Pilots are alive and this is GOOD. but at one time they abandoned single-engine aircraft because of less accident rate who would say it was worth it or not.

We have been operating the Mig-23/27 for a long time, for 25 years as we have heard from you, I only heard about the emergency and then roll out of the runway. Although 31, 29 Migi and Su -27 fell.

[Rushnairfors]

Not worth it, then regretted it.

[alone]

Wash already the 3rd Yak-130th crashes over the past year. And the plane is new. It would be interesting to know the reason.

[d ^ Amir]

and also considering that this machine is EDUCATIONAL !!! a thorough investigation is very necessary ..

[marshes]

Quote: d ^ Amir

and also considering that this machine is EDUCATIONAL !!! a thorough investigation is very necessary ..

And our training fell screw, but only one L-39 climbed under another taxiing plane. For 25 years, if you consider that they are chasing him in the tail and mane in the Aktobe military flight.

[d ^ Amir]

and in Aktyubinsk there is a military flight ??? so when the Union did not seem to be ...

[marshes]

Yes, there were early Civil Aviation there. Since 1994, he became a military man.
The earliest eggplants were now cucumbers, due to the color of the form.

[Vadmir]

and also considering that this machine is EDUCATIONAL !!!

Maybe this is the point. Pilots exploit it, not yet experienced, so the technique of such treatment does not withstand.

[cariperpaint]

the main reason I think he is training

[Großer feldherr]

Almost, rather, he was in training units, and their supply was always more modest than that of combat units.

[Großer feldherr]

The second, first case was somewhere in Asia.

[Vita vko]

Quote: lonely

would know the reason

Judging by the statistics, there was a failure of the control system three times, but they write that the crew took the car to the side. Maybe the engine? Although two engines can immediately fail only due to low-quality fuel. I think the reason will be quickly established, especially since the crew successfully ejected and without any black boxes will tell the latest readings of the instruments.

[cariperpaint]

there when landing the accident were
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[Muvka]

I don’t remember the previous 2 CRASHES. Remind me when it was. I overslept or something.

[Alekseits]

Because the new one is probably falling.
It will become older all the bottlenecks found will expand, eliminate jambs and will fly long and successfully.
The main thing is that people are alive.

[Rushnairfors]

The preliminary reason is the failure of 4 (that is, all) KSU channels

[marshes]

Quote: Rushnairfors

The preliminary reason is the failure of 4 (that is, all) KSU channels

WAF aren't you?

[Rushnairfors]

What not really me?

[Gransasso]

Is the aircraft manageable with such failures?

[WUA 518]

Quote: Gransasso

Is the aircraft manageable with such failures?

No.KSU-integrated management system.
On the MiG-AT KSU-821

[Gransasso]

It’s clear ... again the bike is about .... taken away from the village ...

[WUA 518]

Quote: Gransasso

It’s clear ... again the bike is about .... taken away from the village ...

I would not be so categorical. Usually, the so-called avalanche build-up of an emergency occurs, that is, a chain of successive failures.

[Gransasso]

With an avalanche increase, I’m not sure that the priorities are to take the plane somewhere ... an acute shortage of time and serious stress ....

[WUA 518]

Quote: Gransasso

priorities - take the plane somewhere.

A priority....
I think it would be so, the cadet would go out, the instructor would stay until the end.

[Gransasso]

In this case, although partially, the aircraft remains controllable. Yes, and the qualification of the pilot ...

[WUA 518]

Quote: Gransasso

In this case, although partially, the aircraft remains controllable.

Yes, I agree, the roll and engine controls worked.
We will wait for the results of the investigation, how the KSU was knocked out, why, because there is a fourfold reservation.

[Gransasso]

I don’t know the causes of the Bangladeshi Yak-130 accident (it’s just written that it’s technical) .... but even without it, this is the 3rd case associated with the KSU .... chain of accidents ....

[wot]

a mess for a week the second plane ....

[Dezinto]

Yes, not a mess. This is a statistical error. They began to fly more, more often, an emergency occurred.

[Vadmir]

a mess for a week the second plane ....

That's what they reasoned about when they forbade pilots to "figure" before the Second World War - the result is known, the level of training fell, and then the war and huge losses.
Let them fly, the more often, the better, and if accident rate increases because of this, this is certainly bad, but people are alive, and the plane is a consumable. It is possible to reduce accident rate to zero if pilots are not allowed to go further than the simulator, but are such pilots needed?

[win]

Unclear!
The accident when flying near the airport Borisoglebsk (Voronezh region) and
plane crash from Chkalovsky airfield (Shchelkovsky district of Moscow region).
Where did the accident happen?

[Großer feldherr]

from the airfield, Chkalovsky is preparing for departure the flight safety commission of the RF Armed Forces.

read carefully

[eleronn]

Such aircraft, for such a price, should not fall! Inclined to believe in an error in the preparation of the aircraft (control system software). I have been in aviation since 1986 and I can assure you that the level of maintenance of aircraft is steadily degrading.

[Herculesic]

Because my friend, staff starvation, and soon the Unified State Examiners will come in general - so in general the fear of what will happen! Now it’s just a supersactively sacred “cadres decide everything”!

[Muvka]

I’ll tell you in secret, I will be 29 soon, when I graduated, I already passed the exam. 2 year And already 5 years since I studied at the university. Question. For a long time EGEshnikov wait? Or have they been raising science for a long time? Maybe stop talking nonsense?

[Herculesic]

I’m almost 50, I worked in one company, in practice, more precisely, in the summer five students came to earn money, I was afraid to stand near them while I was working, and I’m not the only one! You need to be able to combine knowledge and a desire to work in yourself, and when TB is violated chronically, especially when working with equipment, everyone was glad when these procticants finally left the team! !! And in a week five more came! !!!! The same as the first five! !!!!

[Muvka]

So what? I’m telling you about the fact that for 5 years now universities have graduated from the Unified State Examination. And something is not visible of what you are talking about. Tell me, in what area do we have a failure because of the USE examiners? In other words, what area of ​​science has fallen in the last 5 years?

[Vadmir]

For 5 years now, universities have graduated from the exam. And something is not visible of what you are talking about. Tell me, in what area do we have a failure because of the USE examiners? In other words, what area of ​​science has fallen in the last 5 years?

And what else can science fall in our country? In my opinion, there’s simply nowhere to fall below.
Another thing is that engineers and designers can still do something, here USE specialists can still cause damage, and they are doing it.
What we will do when all the old specialists retire, I can’t imagine.

[marshes]

Quote: Herkulesich

I’m almost 50, I worked in one company, in practice, more precisely, in the summer five students came to earn money, I was afraid to stand near them while I was working, and I’m not the only one! You need to be able to combine knowledge and a desire to work in yourself, and when TB is violated chronically, especially when working with equipment, everyone was glad when these procticants finally left the team! !! And in a week five more came! !!!! The same as the first five! !!!!

I apologize for interfering with your discussion. At one time I was working with UNTshniks, the Unified State Examination, who graduated from our Polytechnic University, the level is probably understandable, and I learned a lot from them.
I don’t think that young people are stupid, we just don’t understand the old ones and see rivals in them.

[Herculesic]

Bolot I'm talking about the fact that between the knowledge gained, and the desire, or even the ability to realize one’s intellectual and technical potential, is a gigantic chasm! !!

[marshes]

Quote: Herkulesich

Of the swamps, I mean that between the knowledge gained, and the desire, or even the ability to realize one’s intellectual and technical potential, is a gigantic chasm! !!

I don’t argue, you just realized. But you are so unique. But you are too lazy to teach the younger generation, although grandfathers, if we are fathers, do not refuse. For the older generation, we were the same dubious ignoramuses. Therefore, the Grandfathers with their experience and rejoice that their sons are the same tight, communicating with young people.
My grandfather, Pal Fedorovich, taught two people with a tower to work on milling machines and that they dumped me, they gained their experience and discovered it.
So our generation can no longer cope with the young, they step on their heels and moreover they create competition in search of females it remains one thing to groan or if health allows you to fill your face, but here, as in 12 chairs, youth can triumph.
The recipe is simple - regulation and veneration, east. As before, in the "district" young people should respect the elders and the elders can always, are obliged to come to the rescue. If these rules are used, then everything will be a "bunch".
Respect should be mutual.

[cariperpaint]

in my opinion such an opinion about youth does not change even the Unified State Examination, even the Soviet school))) I didn’t pass the Unified State Examination, but when I came to the forces in the null, everyone also cursed at us that we were brakes and, in general, are now teaching some cripples))) and then I also talked about new))) and so it will always be)))

[Rushnairfors]

It is undoubtedly degrading. Instead of normal technicians, they are recruiting double bass mechanics who cannot even properly train an airplane without jambs, the number of specialists is decreasing, we haven’t received technicians from 3 years old, it’s like releases from this year. We wait

[Mountain shooter]

Most importantly, people are alive. And iron is iron. Understand ...

[Herculesic]

Well done pilots, did not let the plane fall at home, although they knew that they themselves could die But, thank God, nothing happened!

[Msta]

The plane is certainly a pity, but the main crew is alive, it is more expensive than the plane.

[Topotun]

The new plane. What happened? Failure of aircraft engines just from the factory? Well, the pilots are alive and experience gained the most invaluable. Good luck to the peasants!

[Gransasso]

Experience of what? ... bailouts?

[Topotun]

Yes bailouts, and the correct assessment of the situation in a limited time. Decision making experience.

[Gransasso]

Read what usually happens to pilots after bailouts ....

[Topotun]

Yeah, one you are smart and know how to read. Nevertheless, many continue to fly after this. And such an experience is priceless. In addition, a huge chance to quickly understand why this happened.

[Gransasso]

Ask them, their superiors and any sane person ... are they happy with such an "experience" ....




And at the same time reflect on what kind of experience they could gain about this:



Rushnairfors
Today, 18: 00
Under Borisoglebsk, the combat training Yak-130 crashed

The preliminary reason is the failure of 4 (that is, all) KSU channels

[Topotun]

Sorry, but THIS is their job. For your information, at one time I tried to enter a military school. I really wanted to be a helicopter pilot. Vision failed. And in this situation, I personally would only be glad that I remained alive. And he certainly wouldn’t stop flying. And many of us are the same. Do not judge by yourself.

[Gransasso]

"..And many of us are the same. Do not judge by yourself ...."


I’m embarrassed to ask .... many of you are who? ... are those who "wanted but didn’t" write on this and other similar forums? ....



And after the bailout Pts, many pilots can not fly for purely physical reasons ...

[Topotun]

That also happens. And after the accident, many remain disabled. About wanted but could. Alas, it happens. However, I did graduate from the military school.
It’s difficult to live at all, you can get a brick in your head on a civilian. We will not argue, especially since there is practically no essence of the dispute. There was an accident, the pilots are alive. I propose to stop here.

[Gransasso]

I agree perhaps .... people survived is the only positive aspect in this story

[Young_Communist]

Under Borisoglebsk, the combat training Yak-130 crashed

I don’t understand anything - it’s like a car brought to mind, and the accident rate is greater than that of a raw and sawn F-35 ...

[Gransasso]

Do not feel any logical inconsistencies in your statement? ........

[padded jacket]

It’s very unpleasant, of course, but most importantly the pilots saved themselves.

[andron-30]

BECAUSE THERE UNDER THIS ANNOUNCED PLANE THERE WOULD NOT HAVE OTHER VICTIMS, SO IT DOESN'T DO IT?

[andron-30]

yes thank God the pilots are alive, give them GOD of good and prosperity.

[alexsipin]

Strange, the article talks about the engine, and this plane has two of them. Are both out of order?
The big plus of this aircraft is its excellent glider, which allows you to maintain control in a free fall. Therefore, he became a student in many countries of the world.

[Vadmir]

Technique cannot fail, and man cannot help but make mistakes. Airplanes crashed, are falling and will fall, unfortunately.

[Gransasso]

Quote: alexsipin

Strange, the article talks about the engine, and this plane has two of them. Are both out of order?
The big plus of this aircraft is its excellent glider, which allows you to maintain control in a free fall. Therefore, he became a student in many countries of the world.

In which "many countries of the world"?

[alexsipin]

Quote: Gransasso

Quote: alexsipin

Strange, the article talks about the engine, and this plane has two of them. Are both out of order?
The big plus of this aircraft is its excellent glider, which allows you to maintain control in a free fall. Therefore, he became a student in many countries of the world.

In which "many countries of the world"?

The western version of this M-346 Master aircraft is manufactured in Italy and exported to a number of countries.

[Gransasso]

I would not put an equal sign between these two planes ... there is nothing in common except the design of the airframe

[alexsipin]

Quote: Gransasso

I would not put an equal sign between these two planes ... there is nothing in common except the design of the airframe

I wrote about the glider above. And the planes are of course completely different.

[Gransasso]

The largest buyer is Israel. 30 cars

[andron-30]

bravo, this is the masters who saved the lives of others, GLORY TO GOD survived, PRAISE THE LORD.

[vadimbes]

Gentlemen, do you know a lot of airplanes under the abbreviation of UC adopted for service in the last 30 years?
A complete failure in the design of polymers and plastics speaks of the genius and advancement of glider designers ...

[vadimbes]

dig deeper, yak-38, yak-41 and civilian yak-40, yak-42, after a series of accidents fly ..

[EvilLion]

Something often they fall. Come again with a control system.

[Vladimir Matveyev]

The car is unsuccessful, often flashes in accidents.

[Captain Nemo]

The flights of the remaining machines of this type were not stopped until the end of the investigation? Yesterday, the press flashed that dissatisfaction with the technology pilots from Borisoglebsk previously expressed