How are we going to win Hollywood ...

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The twenty leaders of film distribution in Russia in the current (2017) year: American 17 films, three Russian films. Cash gathering: “First time” (Russia) - 9,9 million dollars, “Attraction” - 6,6 million dollars, “Viking” - 4,1 million dollars. The amount of the box office of these Russian films is comparable to the box office collections of Pirates of the Caribbean alone (last / last series). The total box office of Hollywood films, including animation, has so far surpassed 80 million dollars. In addition to the aforementioned new series of Pirates, the largest percentage of box office in the Russian Federation was brought to Hollywood such as “Fast and Furious 8” (a total of more than 17 million dollars), “Guardians of the galaxy. Part of 2 "(almost 12 million) and" Assassin's Creed "(more than 10 million" green ").

What are these statistics for? Often on the pages of our information and analytical portal, proposals were made to reduce the percentage of demonstrations of the Hollywood "meter" in cinemas and on television screens of the country. The premise is this: you need to give the opportunity to realize yourself to domestic young directors, you need to shoot a patriotic, truthfully historical, a civilly significant movie. An additional message: who are we going to grow in Hollywood films from the series “Alien vs. Predator”, “Predator vs. Alien” or the hypothetical “Bleeding of Bloody Blood”? .. Who are we going to grow, or, in the words of the hero of the Soviet film “Courier”, “We, our generation, we want to know in whose hands the erected building will fall into our hands? .. ”What“ building ”by this moment we have erected is a separate question.



Claims on the one hand are quite fair. Indeed - from the beginning of 90's in cinemas of the country and on TV screens - the total dominance of foreign tapes, and not always of good quality, and not always, as they say, with our, Russian / Russian, world view.

It would seem that what is easier - to ban or not to let go. Cut, so to speak, the possibility of any “vile foreignness” entering the Russian film market, and fill the vacant space with domestic films, which will contain everything from vitality to patriotism and historical conformity.

That's just "not to let go", it is, of course, possible, but ... Sometimes what is removed by domestic directors with claims of relevance, looks, I'm sorry, it is completely unsuitable. State billions are being drafted into the projects, including, and at the output, it is often that there are only two questions: “What did the screenwriter smoke with the director?” And “Couldn't something be better off with less money?” the viewer limited himself to a question. Increasingly, such films are being shot at the expense of taxpayers, and such plays are staged that openly confront society. Sometimes it seems that all this is done completely consciously. Epatage, self-promotion, attraction of attention, forgive me, bare ass, or, once again, forgive your genitals on a wide screen - with a pretense to "he is an artist, he sees it like that." And even with claims to historical justice.

Therefore, when it comes to restrictions for foreign cinema with preferences for domestic cinema, I don’t want to fall into an analogue of maydanism - when you take out what is called, but put three-fourths of the “native Ukrainian” (only in our case, Russian) and let it be in these percentages at least a frank kininavoz, but "our". But from the official point of view, the problem should be “solved” in this way. If you want to be patriotic and “about the war” - then we will remove Hollywood as such on our film market first, and then the viewer will offer something. The key one is to remove first, then we will offer something - this is our way ...

Now - to the "official part". A little more than a couple of weeks ago, the Ministry of Culture of Russia published the text of the bill, which provides for a sharp increase in the cost of the rental certificate. If today, as reported by sources from the film industry, it is about 3,5 thousand rubles, then in the case of the adoption of the bill, the price will be 5 million. It is millions! It was noted that the Russian distributor should not worry, since the state compensates him for all the costs of acquiring a rolling license - most importantly, let those five million first find ... And if this is a popular cinema (for example, “28 Panfilov’s”), come here, still collect five million distributors in anticipation of state compensation. Is it not through a loan in a bank if the people's collected funds are not enough?

American Journal Hollywood Reporter comes out with an article in which it is reported that with such a bill, government officials in Russia are trying to support domestic cinema. In this case, it is added that the plans of the responsible persons are still several areas of the declared support. For example, one movie will not be given the right to occupy more than 35% of the volume of all hits. The largest American magazine in the film industry reports that the above-mentioned film “Pirates of the Caribbean” held up to 56% of all hits.

The idea is approximately as follows: the interest niche will be distributed in such a way that it can include Russian cinema, which may not be collected by the box office without state support.

One gets the impression that, declaring their desire to help domestic cinema, Russian officials are following the path of the very American unfair competition that they themselves are blowing at all corners. It is clear that, by definition, the Russian film industry needs to be supported, but ... You can even pour billions of rubles into individual projects, the manure will remain manure. Although manure can be used in business, but a very bad movie will eat billions and even as fertilizer will not do ...

If all the bureaucratic ideas that were discussed above are translated into reality, then Russia can be left without cinema at all. Easy to see why. After all, if any domestic “master” / “maestro” understands that the state is ready to move its film piece, even if it is frankly of poor quality, and even in percentage terms pushing foreign competitors, then the classical law will work: why do better? - and let it go, the main thing is the right advertising.

That's just the viewer now is not the one that was 25-30 years ago. The viewer votes not only with his feet or with his heart, but also with his head. You can stuff the viewer with commercials about what a good movie it is and it will go to him. But then the viewer is no longer fooled. Burned on milk, as they say ...

Discussion of the new bill, which is called public, will continue almost until the end of October. And, as noted by officials, the proposals are accepted.

How are we going to win Hollywood ...


In general, the proposal is, in essence, one thing: the main thing is not to break such firewood in an attempt to support domestic cinema, for which the competition will be completely killed, just as the desire of the same young directors to make a good movie for people will be killed. Maybe, nevertheless, it is better to focus on the quality of produced and financially encouraged films - you see, the viewer himself will make a choice.

By the way, Hollywood distributors will pull 5 millions for hire, and all 50. Therefore, if the innovation in finance affects someone, then certainly not in Hollywood, but in the ordinary Russian audience.
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  1. +17
    15 September 2017 06: 27
    Yes, Alexei correctly poses questions about our cinema ... he can’t beat Hollywood at the box office ... this is a systemic disease and there are a lot of sores in it requiring a surgeon whose role MEDINSKY claims to be ... hehe heh man of the system.
    The story with his MATILDA as a cast reflects all the diseases of our rental and cinema.

    The trouble is that an alien culture (in the image of HOLLYWOOD) from across the ocean is being tried to shove into our souls completely not caring whether it will accept it or not ... what

    There is no strategy and consistency in the development of our cinema ... what is being done is, figuratively speaking, pouring money into the toilet.
    1. +46
      15 September 2017 06: 42
      How are we going to win Hollywood ...
      first, you need to hammer on the head “directors” filming remakes on “and the dawns here are quiet”, “irony of fate” “Caucasian captive” ...
      1. +5
        15 September 2017 13: 00
        Quote: Dead Day
        How are we going to win Hollywood ...
        first, you need to hammer on the head “directors” filming remakes on “and the dawns here are quiet”, “irony of fate” “Caucasian captive” ...

        on a crutch railway.
        1. +4
          15 September 2017 14: 28
          On a crutch traumatological!
      2. +3
        15 September 2017 22: 08
        Quote: Dead Day
        first, you need to hammer on the head “directors” filming remakes on “and the dawns here are quiet”, “irony of fate” “Caucasian captive” ...

        And on a railway crutch to those who remove the "Crews", "Vikings", and various "Attractions" there. If foreign films are removed from rental, will we be doomed to watch IT?
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      1. +19
        15 September 2017 08: 56
        The whole story with “Matilda” is not about cinema, but about squeezing from the sphere of culture (((creators))) with the right genes and beautiful faces, annually taking anti-Russian campaigns for Russian taxpayers money. Of the latter, the Viking is the most striking example of Jewish Nazi divisions.
        1. +11
          15 September 2017 12: 03
          Well then, see the crafts of the racial Slav Mikhalkov. A movie is good and bad, regardless of the nationality of the director. Viking is bad. Matilda let's see.
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            1. +6
              15 September 2017 19: 07
              Well, maybe enough to carry this anti-Semitic nonsense. Not even because it contradicts the rules of the site and the laws of the Russian Federation, but also because it is frank paranoia
        2. 0
          19 September 2017 15: 21
          At the conservatory, anti-Semite listens to a pianist. Leans toward a neighbor:
          “And what are these keys made of?”
          - Of ivory.
          - Wow, the Jews! The elephant was tortured!


          Solid Semites, we can say the Zionists:

          Genre Historical, Drama, War, Adventure
          Director Andrey Kravchuk
          Producer Konstantin Ernst, Anatoly Maksimov
          Script writer Andrey Rubanov, Viktor Smirnov
          Starring :
          Danila Kozlovsky
          Svetlana Hodchenkova
          Maxim Sukhanov
          Alexandra Bortic
          Igor Petrenko
          Vladimir Epifantsev
          Andrey Smolyakov
          Cyril Pletnev
          Alexander Ustyugov
          Rostislav Bershauer
          Pavel DeLong

          Operator
          Igor Grinyakin

          But nice.
          - Rabinovich! I heard you read anti-semitic newspapers!
          - Well, yes, I read.
          - How can you! You are a Jew!
          - A very simple. At first I read Jewish newspapers. There is such a depression, I tell you! Everyone wants to exterminate the Jews, anti-Semitism is around, oppression, problems, everyone is crying ... I literally could not sleep! And now I read the anti-Semitic press - and what do you think? Solid positive! Jews rule the world, they captured everything, they are the richest, they decide everything everywhere!
      2. +4
        15 September 2017 14: 12
        Matilda should not be allowed to rent, the film contradicts the Orthodox canons. Where it is seen the Russian tsar in a legal marriage meets cohabiting with some sort of ballerina, SHAME for all Orthodox !!!
        1. +1
          15 September 2017 14: 16
          So it was, did not hold a candle.
        2. +2
          15 September 2017 16: 50
          Not a king then yet. And the heir.
        3. +1
          15 September 2017 17: 33
          [quote = Black Sniper
          Where it is seen the Russian tsar in a legal marriage meets cohabiting with some sort of ballerina! [/ Quote]

          Uhhh !! Just think, I ran a rough Jewish girl, a couple of times "steamed my swing" ... [i] [/ i] [b] [/ b]
          1. +3
            15 September 2017 19: 16
            Mom is polka, dad is a Pole, and the girl is of course a Jew. And who wrote it.
            1. +1
              2 October 2017 15: 32
              Quote: Ken71
              Mom is polka, dad is a Pole, and the girl is of course a Jew. And who wrote it.

              How do you like to unlock your fellow tribesmen)))
            2. +1
              4 October 2017 10: 37
              Quote: Ken71
              Mom is polka, dad is a Pole, and the girl is of course a Jew. And who wrote it.

              Well, of course, the "Pole" Tukhachevsky is also a gentry ...
    3. +12
      15 September 2017 08: 53
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      There is no strategy and consistency in the development of our cinema ... what is being done is, figuratively speaking, pouring money into the toilet.

      Our last pictures I saw, which are credited “with the support of the Cinema Foundation” or the Ministry of Culture, are so UG that it is not surprising that Hollywood furnishes them for one or two. Very weak scenarios that absolutely do not hurt the viewer and if the same special effects somehow learned to do, then everything else is very sad. There are no prohibitions and artificial obstacles for a Western product here.
    4. +9
      15 September 2017 08: 58
      Winning Hollywood is not difficult. It is only necessary to combine the advantages and traditions of Soviet cinema and Hollywood special effects and other advantages of the American cinema industry. We must return to the method of the master Stanislavsky, which is now abandoned. We must stop making films to please the West. It is necessary to shoot for the viewer, and the viewer wants a beautiful, kind, heroic and most importantly not vulgar movie. Who needs dirt, swearing, etc. will watch European and Hollywood movies.
      1. +14
        15 September 2017 10: 33
        Quote: Wend
        traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects

        Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or put on his underpants ...

        Where you need to think or empathize - there special effects are not needed. Why in the book, in a set of black and white squiggles, do we see anything? The master conveys the atmosphere with the help of the word, and the brain draws the most fantastic pictures. No special effects to keep up.

        Why is the film adaptation of a favorite book always (almost) worse than the source? For the reason described above. Man himself painted a certain world. And the director and screenwriter drew his own. This is at best. At worst - and this has been going on for almost three decades - stupidly mechanically displayed the text in the video. Yes, he corrected "for the wickedness of the day." And, the spite of the day, she is known.
        1. +4
          15 September 2017 10: 59
          Quote: iConst
          Quote: Wend
          traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects

          Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or wear panties ....

          You are wrong, I won’t watch a faded film. Any Soviet or Russian film will benefit from special effects and tricks. Recreating the historical interior, fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood. If there were no chases, fights and tricks, then the "Elusive Avengers" or "Pirates of the Twentieth Century" would not become the legends of Soviet cinema. And the underwater filming of a feature film that was revolutionary in world cinema would not have entered Amphibian Man into the story.
          Quote: iConst
          Where you need to think or empathize - there special effects are not needed. Why in the book, in a set of black and white squiggles, do we see anything? The master conveys the atmosphere with the help of the word, and the brain draws the most fantastic pictures. No special effects to keep up.
          .

          That's why our movie can not win Hollywood. You generally compare two incomparable movie things and a book, but this is not correct. You can only compare a radio show or an audiobook with a book; this will be correct. And if you follow your recommendations, then the movie should be sent to the dump of art wink
          1. +1
            15 September 2017 12: 09
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: iConst
            Quote: Wend
            traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects

            Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or wear panties ....

            You are wrong, I won’t watch a faded film. Any Soviet or Russian film will benefit from special effects and tricks.

            Yeah, and also does not look without gays, naked boobs and asses. I understood the promise.

            Quote: Wend
            Recreating the historical interior, fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood.

            Shaw? belay

            Quote: Wend
            If there weren’t chases, fights and tricks, then “Elusive Avengers” or “Pirates of the XNUMXth Century” would not become the legends of Soviet cinema. And the underwater filming of a feature film that was revolutionary in world cinema would not have entered Amphibian Man into the story.

            What about? belay belay
            Now you’ve already decided: either.

            That was all in the cinema - and tricks and dialogues. Just in moderation. Does Hollywood Disagree on Quotes? A - there is one "a l bi back". Modern Hollywood is one-time. Dumb special effects get boring and even more special effects are needed to make the next movie “hooked” stronger. As a result, there is no room for the actors' game - solid tricks and special effects.

            We are witnessing this crisis. Hollywood once made quite good films in its own way. "Flying over ...", "Green Mile" and some others.
            And now - a solid "nutty" camera. You as a small kitten are teased by an elusive object: what for music, video and plot to escalate the atmosphere! A close-up that the actor’s face (not a typo - the actors are no longer removed) does not fit and pull in all directions. A sense of alarm appeared, the adrenaline went - everything is in order. Hitchcock nervously smokes aside ...

            This is the movie you advocate. Look at your health.

            But, fortunately, my opinion coincides with the opinion of famous Russian
            (former Soviet) directors and screenwriters.

            And your idol is Fedya the youngest. He removed his "Stalingrad" according to your formula.
            Read Tarkovsky, maybe something will become clear to you.

            I hope you will not be offended by my words, but take it as my point of view in our dispute with you.

            PS: The word "Stalingrad" I purposely wrote with a small letter, because I applied this word to this wretched piece of art by Bondarchuk Jr. City (former name) and the symbol of Victory, I write with a capital letter.
            1. +2
              15 September 2017 14: 33
              [quote = iConst] [quote = Wend] [quote = iConst] [quote = Be
              nd] traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects [/ quote]
              Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or wear panties .... [/ quote]
              You are wrong, I won’t watch a faded film. Any Soviet or Russian film will benefit from special effects and tricks. [/ quote]
              Yeah, and also does not look without gays, naked boobs and asses. I understood the promise. [/ Quote]
              The first time I hear that gays and naked asses are special effects and tricks. This is a new word in the film industry. laughing laughing

              [quote = iConst] [quote = iConst] [quote = Wend] Recreated
              historical interior, fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood. [/ quote]
              Shaw? belay

              [quote = Wend] If there were no chases, fights and tricks, then the "Elusive Avengers" or "Pirates of the Twentieth Century" did not become the legends of Soviet cinema. And the underwater filming of a feature film that was revolutionary in world cinema would not have entered Amphibian Man into the story. [/ Quote]
              What about? belay belay
              Now you’ve already decided: either.

              That was all in the cinema - and tricks and dialogues. Just in moderation. Does Hollywood Disagree on Quotes? A - there is one "a l bi back". Modern Hollywood is one-time. Dumb special effects get boring and even more special effects are needed to make the next movie “hooked” stronger. As a result, there is no room for the actors' game - solid tricks and special effects.

              We are witnessing this crisis. Hollywood once made quite good films in its own way. "Flying over ...", "Green Mile" and some others.
              And now - a solid "nutty" camera. You as a small kitten are teased by an elusive object: what for music, video and plot to escalate the atmosphere! A close-up that the actor’s face (not a typo - the actors are no longer removed) does not fit and pull in all directions. A sense of alarm appeared, the adrenaline went - everything is in order. Hitchcock nervously smokes aside ...

              This is the movie you advocate. Look at your health.

              But, fortunately, my opinion coincides with the opinion of famous Russian
              (former Soviet) directors and screenwriters.

              And your idol is Fedya the youngest. He removed his "Stalingrad" according to your formula.
              Read Tarkovsky, maybe something will become clear to you.

              I hope you will not be offended by my words, but take it as my point of view in our dispute with you.

              PS: The word "Stalingrad" I purposely wrote with a small letter, because I applied this word to this wretched piece of art by Bondarchuk Jr. The city (the former name) and the symbol of Victory, I write with a capital letter. [/ Quote]
              Have you kindly not tried to read written by your opponent, and not fantasize.? I repeat once again, to combine the pluses of the Soviet cinema and the pluses of Hollywood. . The modern Russian film industry, only if you combine these advantages can you get out. Lost “institutes” of screenwriting, directing, the “Stanislavsky method”, which by the way still train actors in Hollywood. All this needs to be restored, but not to bluntly copy the Soviet experience. Technologies, opportunities have changed, it is impossible not to use technical achievements. Compare two beautiful films "And trees grow on stones" and "Battle of the Ice", you will understand the difference in time and technology. And about reconstructing historical scenery, look at "The Legend of Princess Olga" and "Viking", different times of making films, but you won’t see the scenery without swearing. You live in a world of inadequate insinuations. And Hollywood quality films also diverge into quotes. “You Won't Pass” - The Lord of the Rings, “May the Force Come with You” - Star Wars, “You Can’t Turn Your Back on the Family” Fast and the Furious, etc. .How do you know which directors I like? Tarkovsky and read and looked, then what? On it the light did not converge, there are other wonderful directors; Ilya Gurin - "Young Russia", Yuri Ozerov - the epic about the Great Patriotic War, Andrei Malyukov - "Stormy Gates", Cameron, Spielberg, Lucas and so on.
              Yes, and no offense, hohlyatskie expressions are better smogoryut on Ukrainian sites.
              1. 0
                15 September 2017 15: 24
                Quote: Wend
                Have you kindly not tried to read written by your opponent, and not fantasize.? I repeat once again, combine the pluses of the Soviet cinema and the pluses of Hollywood.

                And I, by the way - "amiable" is an appeal, and so, amiable, I’m saying for the fiftieth time, read before Tarkovsky.
                And then talk about the need for a dog's fifth leg.
                You locked in on special effects. Well, that is your choice. Go for special effects. And I have seen enough of them. If special effects are inappropriate - the picture (note - the picture!) Has a different thought. What for your special effects? And, in Anna Karenina, so that the half-screen bleeding splattered. Yes? Oh Kay! The lure in the trailer will be what you need.

                Quote: Wend
                Lost “institutes” of screenwriting, directing, the “Stanislavsky method”, which by the way still train actors in Hollywood. All this needs to be restored, but not to bluntly copy the Soviet experience. Technologies, opportunities have changed, it is impossible not to use technical achievements. Compare two beautiful films "And trees grow on stones" and "Battle of the Ice", you will understand the difference in time and technology.

                Listen up. I am writing you last time on this topic. I see, bluntly, you do not know a damn thing, namely, fantasize.
                Hollywood no one doesn't teach. Secondly, in pandocia and britosia, the Stanislavsky method is not held in high esteem (with rare exceptions, but this is already within the collective) - the exact opposite. There is no such school as we had.
                There are acting classes. Semiannual. And it is directly taught to them - the actor should not get used to the image, but "portray" the hero. Well, read on the topic at least a little!

                Contemporary Russian cinema feels great. Do not worry about him. People hawks and dabs. And nothing else (to the "creators") is needed.

                And you disprove yourself by comparing two films - both films are watched. And the one who is looking for only special effects - to that, then you can generally feed anything. And it looks like you are from this group.
                1. +4
                  15 September 2017 15: 47
                  Quote: iConst

                  Learn to read what your opponent writes.
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2017 15: 55
                    Quote: Wend
                    Quote: iConst

                    Learn to read what your opponent writes.

                    So I read. And I refute, in my opinion, your false theses.

                    Where and what is wrong? Fedin "Stalingrad" - a sea of ​​special effects. One, only, the attack of the burning infantry is worth it. This nonsense - not an abuse of the symbol itself? I mean, when there is no “soul” in the film, no special effects will help.
                    1. +2
                      15 September 2017 16: 14
                      Quote: iConst
                      Quote: Wend
                      Quote: iConst

                      Learn to read what your opponent writes.

                      So I read. And I refute, in my opinion, your false theses.

                      Where and what is wrong? Fedin "Stalingrad" - a sea of ​​special effects. One, only, the attack of the burning infantry is worth it. This nonsense - not an abuse of the symbol itself? I mean, when there is no “soul” in the film, no special effects will help.

                      If you read, then questions would not have arisen and accusations against me. Reprinting what I already wrote simply does not make sense. I answered all your questions.
                      Perhaps there is only one thing left. Tarkovsky genius is only for a small number of viewers. And what the main spectator wants, I already wrote.
                      And why did you cling to me with Bondarchuk’s film, I didn’t write his assessment anywhere. But I can point you to a dozen films where the lack of high-quality scenery, prescribed script. special effects, sound design, film editing, etc. makes the picture so that it is impossible to watch.
                      And regarding special effects, Tarkovsky also did not disdain special effects, one burning cow of which is in "Andrei Rublev".
                      And the special effects themselves are not reduced to one bloodthirst and nightmares.
                      1. 0
                        15 September 2017 16: 39
                        Quote: Wend
                        I answered all your questions.

                        I didn’t ask much questions either.

                        Quote: Wend
                        Perhaps there is only one thing left. Tarkovsky genius is only for a small number of viewers. And what the main spectator wants, I already wrote.

                        Here! What I was talking about! Meal'n'Real! And to strain the brain is not a lordly occupation.
                        My dear - here we come to what we came to. Bo as the people hawala - here, eat. I like naked boobs - I have them.
                        In sports, you need to exhaust yourself with training in order to achieve physical perfection. In cinema, you also need to cultivate taste in order to distinguish “forget-me-not from crap” ©.
                        Otherwise, degradation. Which we are observing. And it's not about special effects.

                        Quote: Wend
                        And why did you cling to me with Bondarchuk’s film, I didn’t write his assessment anywhere. But I can point you to a dozen films where the lack of high-quality scenery, prescribed script. special effects, sound design, film editing, etc. makes the picture so that it is impossible to watch.

                        But because the youngest is completely fit into your philosophy. And the result is obvious.

                        About films that do not have this. So it was not about them. Not about miserable crafts or creative failures. So the creator considered it possible to release it on display. So people picks. And tell the hype headlines how delicious that shit was.
                        And the great Charlie Chaplin burned almost finished films. Why's that?

                        Think about it ...
              2. +1
                15 September 2017 15: 33
                Apparently the comment has already been edited, but some of the Hollywood films can also be decomposed into quotes. “In one sitting the strong will eat the weak”, “Truth is always one, any version of it is a lie”, “Freedom. The hackneyed motto of our civilization. Only having lost it you understand what it really means” - all these are quotes from the film "Cloud Atlas". And there weren’t so many such films, just apparently they showed a little ...
              3. +1
                2 October 2017 15: 39
                [quote = Wend] [quote = iConst] [quote = Wend] [quote = iCon
                st] [quote = Be
                nd] traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects [/ quote]
                Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or wear panties .... [/ quote]
                You are wrong, I won’t watch a faded film. Any Soviet or Russian film will benefit from special effects and tricks. [/ quote]
                Yeah, and also does not look without gays, naked boobs and asses. I understood the promise. [/ Quote]
                The first time I hear that gays and naked asses are special effects and tricks. This is a new word in the film industry. laughing laughing

                [quote = iConst] [quote = iConst] [quote = Wend] Recreated
                historical interior, fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood. [/ quote]
                Shaw? belay

                [quote = Wend] If there were no chases, fights and tricks, then the "Elusive Avengers" or "Pirates of the Twentieth Century" did not become the legends of Soviet cinema. And the underwater filming of a feature film that was revolutionary in world cinema would not have entered Amphibian Man into the story. [/ Quote]
                What about? belay belay
                Now you’ve already decided: either.

                That was all in the cinema - and tricks and dialogues. Just in moderation. Does Hollywood Disagree on Quotes? A - there is one "a l bi back". Modern Hollywood is one-time. Dumb special effects get boring and even more special effects are needed to make the next movie “hooked” stronger. As a result, there is no room for the actors' game - solid tricks and special effects.

                We are witnessing this crisis. Hollywood once made quite good films in its own way. "Flying over ...", "Green Mile" and some others.
                And now - a solid "nutty" camera. You as a small kitten are teased by an elusive object: what for music, video and plot to escalate the atmosphere! A close-up that the actor’s face (not a typo - the actors are no longer removed) does not fit and pull in all directions. A sense of alarm appeared, the adrenaline went - everything is in order. Hitchcock nervously smokes aside ...

                This is the movie you advocate. Look at your health.

                But, fortunately, my opinion coincides with the opinion of famous Russian
                (former Soviet) directors and screenwriters.

                And your idol is Fedya the youngest. He removed his "Stalingrad" according to your formula.
                Read Tarkovsky, maybe something will become clear to you.

                I hope you will not be offended by my words, but take it as my point of view in our dispute with you.

                PS: The word "Stalingrad" I purposely wrote with a small letter, because I applied this word to this wretched piece of art by Bondarchuk Jr. The city (the former name) and the symbol of Victory, I write with a capital letter. [/ Quote]
                Have you kindly not tried to read written by your opponent, and not fantasize.? I repeat once again, to combine the pluses of the Soviet cinema and the pluses of Hollywood. . The modern Russian film industry, only if you combine these advantages can you get out. Lost “institutes” of screenwriting, directing, the “Stanislavsky method”, which by the way still train actors in Hollywood. All this needs to be restored, but not to bluntly copy the Soviet experience. Technologies, opportunities have changed, it is impossible not to use technical achievements. Compare two beautiful films "And trees grow on stones" and "Battle of the Ice", you will understand the difference in time and technology. And about reconstructing historical scenery, look at "The Legend of Princess Olga" and "Viking", different times of making films, but you won’t see the scenery without swearing. You live in a world of inadequate insinuations. And Hollywood quality films also diverge into quotes. “You Won't Pass” - The Lord of the Rings, “May the Force Come with You” - Star Wars, “You Can’t Turn Your Back on the Family” Fast and the Furious, etc. .How do you know which directors I like? Tarkovsky and read and looked, then what? On it the light did not converge, there are other wonderful directors; Ilya Gurin - "Young Russia", Yuri Ozerov - the epic about the Great Patriotic War, Andrei Malyukov - "Stormy Gates", Cameron, Spielberg, Lucas and so on.
                Yes, and no offense, hohlyatskie expressions are better smogoryut on Ukrainian sites. [/ Quote]
                I fully support!
                And iconst is not our man! This is a comrade worshiping the Golden Calf
            2. +2
              15 September 2017 14: 43
              After all, someone found this cooper chuk! After all, he vegetated in the backyard ...
              This someone understood that in the memory of the talented and beloved S. Bondarchuk, you can remove a good fat.
              1. 0
                15 September 2017 16: 16
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                After all, someone found this cooper chuk! After all, he vegetated in the backyard ...
                This someone understood that in the memory of the talented and beloved S. Bondarchuk, you can remove a good fat.

                Exactly. "War and Peace", "The Fate of Man", "Waterloo" S. Bondarchuk made his contribution to the history of cinema.
              2. +1
                2 October 2017 15: 41
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                After all, someone found this cooper chuk! After all, he vegetated in the backyard ...
                This someone understood that in the memory of the talented and beloved S. Bondarchuk, you can remove a good fat.

                And there is
            3. +3
              15 September 2017 16: 36
              Former venerable Soviet directors after the collapse of the USSR did not remove anything worthwhile in 25 years. negative Well, perhaps except Zhmurok Mikhalkov. Some feces. For the campaign, it was precisely the censorship that sought out talented things from the stream of consciousness of the "creators", cutting off everything else. am
              And about Hollywood. When I went to judo after school in the late USSR and went to a video show in the evening to watch Rambo or Cobra, I went to watch them. And it’s not at all highly artistic Soviet melodramas that adolescents, who form the basis of movie theater profits, are not needed in FIGs. And it was precisely the fact that these segments were pumped up in the USSR - action movies, action, science fiction, fantasy, thrillers and horror films and led to the fact that an ordinary Soviet teenager was squeamish about Soviet cinema. A teenager wants another. And then it grows up and still looks, what it looked then. If we want teenagers not to open their mouths to the west, we need our own media content. One talented computer game with a light metered patriotic coloring replaces dozens of “28 Panfilovites” in terms of impact. CONTINUOUS CONTENT GENERATION NEEDED, AND NOT MANDATORY FIRST. Therefore, Fedya Bondarchuk is a normal artisan who stamps b-class films and the country needs it. And we need a couple of dozen of these Fed. Out of several dozen mediocre films, one will turn out to be good. The larger the volume of media content, the larger the sample and the more good things.
              Things are already pretty good with cartoons, detective series and sitcoms - exactly that. that the inhabitants are watching at home. The fact that domestic TV shows confidently supplanted western such series is already a great success. But we need films and TV shows of a higher class and value - about superheroes, about fellow travelers, about all sorts of fighters against evil spirits or crime and stuff like that. That is, what is needed is what people are watching. Moreover, there are plenty of Russian authors of the same light fiction. Films about superheroes, for example, invariably remove the box office with the complete degradation of everything - the plot, acting, novelty, technology, etc. Something new from Russia may go well with comparable quality. request
              Plus - you need your own games. In all directions . All children and adolescents play and from the game they get a whole heap of information laid down there by uncles-developers from the west. And without their games, it is extremely difficult to contrast this information. request
              In general, the generation of Russian media content is an extremely necessary activity. And for this we need to create an industry. Plus - to find capable youth and educate them. hi
              1. +5
                15 September 2017 19: 27
                Quote: g1v2
                Well, perhaps except Zhmurok Mikhalkov.

                This is a Balabanova movie. Migalkin has not taken anything good over the past quarter century.
              2. 0
                19 September 2017 20: 52
                One talented computer game with a light metered patriotic coloring replaces dozens of “28 Panfilovites” in terms of impact. CONTINUOUS CONTENT GENERATION NEEDED, AND NOT MANDATORY FIRST. Therefore, Fedya Bondarchuk is a normal artisan who stamps b-class films and the country needs it. And we need a couple of dozen of these Fed. Out of several dozen mediocre films, one will turn out to be good. The larger the volume of media content, the larger the sample and the more good things.

                exactly!
            4. 0
              19 September 2017 03: 21
              “Modern Hollywood is one-time. Dumb special effects get boring and even more special effects are needed to make the next movie “hooked” stronger. As a result, there is no room for the actors' game - solid tricks and special effects. ”
                 You are right about a one-time movie. But do not forget that the industry produces a lot of disposable items, which we throw away, but at the same time, someone received income! So in the cinema! Artists are also people who receive bills and who have to pay.
               I remember at a presentation in Russia of a film (action movie, fights) Bruce Willis was asked “what did he want to express by playing such-and-such” ... !!
                 C'mon, an idiotic question! He didn’t want to express anything - he just made money! And since people like to watch fights and shooting all over the world (and Hollywood films first roll around the world and only then in the USA), starting a rental in the USA very often the film has already paid for itself.
                  But here is what you don’t know, but guesses that you can’t buy an Oscar - you won’t sleep with 5.5 thousand Academy members! And believe me - all the films that won the Oscars and even those nominated are awesome films. 
                  
              “Hollywood once made quite good films in its own way. "Flying over ...", "Green Mile" and some others. ”
                  And he continues to shoot, another thing - you either don’t see them or you can’t see them or you simply don’t know about them. I advise you to see ALL possible Oscars - you will not regret it!
          2. +1
            15 September 2017 22: 36
            Quote: Wend
            fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood.

            Mdyayaya, Wend, you frankly screwed up Yes I thought you were an ideological literate traveler, and you as a shkolot belay
            Let me remind you that in the USSR there were absolutely diverse films and even children's film studios. Remember children's films, there are just special effects for you laughing



            Also with special effects see Disco Dancer wink laughing wassat
            1. +3
              15 September 2017 22: 51
              Homu Brutus would be well equipped to arm. laughing
              1. +2
                15 September 2017 23: 47
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Homu Brutus would be well equipped to arm. laughing

                Vaughn, it’s better to arm and enlighten Wenda laughing laughing laughing
                Misses the little one without special effects wassat
      2. +4
        15 September 2017 10: 39
        Quote: Wend
        It is necessary to shoot for the viewer, and the viewer wants a beautiful, kind, heroic and most importantly not vulgar movie. Who needs dirt, swearing, etc. will watch European and Hollywood movies.

        Art, almost always, works on the system.
        We have an oligarch-camprador system, from here we get the corresponding "art."
        Look at Nikolai Burlyaev.
        1. +3
          15 September 2017 11: 02
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Wend
          It is necessary to shoot for the viewer, and the viewer wants a beautiful, kind, heroic and most importantly not vulgar movie. Who needs dirt, swearing, etc. will watch European and Hollywood movies.

          Art, almost always, works on the system.

          You can work on the system in different ways, but it was. And among the Soviet films there is a frank ..., and there are masterpieces, and everyone worked for the system.
          1. +1
            15 September 2017 22: 43
            Quote: Wend
            You can work on the system in different ways,

            Yeah, where's the kids studio movie studio? Where is the Lenfilm? where is the union cartoon?
            Enough already to carry a damn about detective stories, such as "garbage" on all channels.
            There were two great cinematographs in the world - the Soviet and Hollywood. Well, you still have to pay tribute to the French and Italians.

            For 25 years, Soviet cinema has been destroyed, what we have is a weak parody of sloppy Hollywood films mixed with Indian stories.
            From this moronity I want.
        2. +3
          15 September 2017 11: 54
          Quote: Stroporez
          Stroporez Today, 10:39 ↑ New
          Quote: Wend
          It is necessary to shoot for the viewer, and the viewer wants a beautiful, kind, heroic and most importantly not vulgar movie. Who needs dirt, swearing, etc. will watch European and Hollywood movies.
          Art, almost always, works on the system.
          We have an oligarch-camprador system, from here we get the corresponding "art."

          - In the Soviet Union, for some years they shot up to 400 films a year. Hand on heart:MUCH GOOD movies you can remember (for an unlimited amount of time without an Internet)? 30-50, no more, the rest was complete bullshit ... And mind you - without oligarch-comprador system ...
          And they stole a movie in the Soviet times no less than now. There were a very large number of criminal cases specifically regarding the theft of money during filming. For example, when shooting the "Eternal Call" only on the set of the execution of the father of the main characters, more than 10 rubles were stolen. on linden extras and scenery not built. And this is one episode - in total, in my opinion, more than 000 rubles were stolen ("Man and the Law" of the 200s, there was a big article, I don’t remember the year).
        3. +2
          15 September 2017 13: 23
          Quote: Stroporez
          Art, almost always, works on the system.
          We have an oligarch-camprador system, from here we get the corresponding "art."

          It has long been known who the girl is having dinner is the one who dances her.
      3. +1
        15 September 2017 17: 53
        Quote: Wend
        You just need to combine the pros and traditions of Soviet cinema and Hollywood special effects

        What is the purpose of art that we see in cinema? in cinema, in addition to special effects, there should be empathy with the hero, identification with himself, internal change and motivation for actions. The hero at the beginning and at the end are two different people. If this is not there, no special effects will help and the film will be empty
    5. +6
      15 September 2017 08: 59
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The story with his MATILDA as a cast reflects all the diseases of our rental and cinema

      I don’t know, I didn’t watch Matilda, I don’t want to watch, I am indignant at the fact that the Western porn actor plays the Russian Tsar. The king was weak, this is understandable, But cinema should be prettier than life, brighter, it must somehow enrich spiritually, there must be a character development, a plot leading to a personality growth ... otherwise what kind of art is this ?? So what can the story of Matilda and Nikolai tell us about ??
      1. +1
        15 September 2017 14: 30
        Outrageous! It was necessary to remove either Putin or Gundyaev in this role. And who else is worthy?
    6. +5
      15 September 2017 09: 22
      They do not know how to shoot militants in Russia. Like in Hollywood they don’t know how to make comedies. Why, and you can’t refuse Hollywood the ability to make candy out of a primitive plot. For example, just yesterday I watched Security with Antonio Banderas. A banal plot, but it looks in one breath!
      1. +4
        15 September 2017 11: 09
        Yes, they shoot comedies. Only differences in mentality leave an imprint on the difference in humor. They are funny, but not so much for us.
        But our current comedies are atas. It seems to be filming for us, but some trash at the output. Correct me if I’m not right, but apart from Hunting, nothing interesting in comedies has been around for 20 years ...
        1. +1
          15 September 2017 15: 30
          I'll correct myself)))
          Election Day ))
    7. +1
      15 September 2017 11: 04
      Puchkov - why our movie is bad.
    8. +2
      15 September 2017 12: 49
      The quality of domestic cinema is growing.

      I even sometimes go to our films in the movies or watch on the computer, and before that only nausea appeared with news about domestic cinema.
    9. +2
      15 September 2017 18: 00
      Quote: The same Lech
      Yes, Alexey correctly poses questions about our cinema ... he can’t beat Hollywood at the box office ...

      There is no strategy and consistency in the development of our cinema ... what is being done is, figuratively speaking, pouring money into the toilet.


      Why the toilet?
      Normally in the pockets of cunning filmmakers ...
    10. Maz
      0
      15 September 2017 23: 00
      Rather, we will buy Hollywood than defeat him.
  2. +13
    15 September 2017 06: 37
    It is clear that we will not grow anyone on “Alien vs. Predator”, and who will go on growth on “such” as “Viking”? Cost per million, despising our ancestors manure.
    1. +4
      15 September 2017 10: 17
      I looked at the feedback on the Viking and did not look. After the story of It is difficult to be a god, all desire to watch what is so intensely advertised has disappeared. A good movie in my opinion does not need advertising.
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 16: 18
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        I looked at the feedback on the Viking and did not look. After the story of It is difficult to be a god, all desire to watch what is so intensely advertised has disappeared. A good movie in my opinion does not need advertising.

        The Viking could only watch the fifth time.
  3. +7
    15 September 2017 06: 52
    The author wrote everything correctly. Only in the discussion will everything begin to be denied
    1. +10
      15 September 2017 09: 52
      Quote: Ken71
      The author wrote everything correctly. Only in the discussion will everything begin to be denied

      Why should Constantine forbid that. request The viewer is far from fool and he himself will choose what to watch, I watched once again "A. Dawns Here Are Quiet" by A. Rostotsky with Andrei Martynov in the title role and each time he takes the soul, but he looked at the remake, only replied, it’s unlikely to be revised.
  4. +8
    15 September 2017 07: 04
    No bullshit to shoot, then people will go to the movies. Equally important are the costs, investments in the film, but the crooked director can easily ruin everything. An example is Fedor Bondarchuk or Yegor Konchalovsky. Fedya is an excellent actor, but he does not need to be a director. He’s trying everything ... Yegor doesn’t take anything off at all, except for remakes, moreover, bullshit ones. From the positive - Bekmambetov.
    In Hollywood, the principle of "invested - received" is clearly implemented, ours does not work out that way.
    I don’t want to talk about the dominance of "surreal", although this is a slightly different topic, but the actors and directors do not fall from the sky, they come from somewhere. And if the director makes nonsense for TV, then for a wide screen he is unlikely to be able to make a decent movie, the habit of making crafts will not allow it.
    1. +6
      15 September 2017 08: 59
      No bullshit to shoot, then people will go to the movies.

      And in order not to remove bullshit you need:
      a) do not steal;
      b) pay staff the same or even more than in the United States for similar work.
      You understand that in the Russian Federation they will never do either one or the other.
      1. +7
        15 September 2017 09: 19
        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
        And in order not to remove bullshit you need:

        Play so that they believe ..
        make good films ...
        thinking scenarios ..
        less money killing ..
        Art should show the way where to go, or where to go is not necessary. There is such an American film "Idiocracy" fiction but ridiculing the American lifestyle, Why is there no such Russian ???
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          1. +1
            15 September 2017 10: 04
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            And they don’t want to pay in the Russian Federation - after all, every penny received by a simple person

            don't get it wrong, but are we about ordinary people or about the best specialists?
            1. +2
              15 September 2017 10: 08
              I’m talking about commoners who were not lucky enough to be born in an ordinary family, and not in a nomenclature, Chekist, or "good, regular, cultured Jewish." In general, about those who work and on whom everything rests.
              1. +1
                15 September 2017 10: 31
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                In general, about those who work and on whom everything rests.

                Are you talking about enthusiasts? can you tell me at least one last name?
                1. +2
                  15 September 2017 11: 01
                  Rather, about the working staff.
                  If we talk about talented contemporary directors who are not members of the Jewish-Noviopian party, then maybe I can name Bykova ("Major", "Dypak", "Live")
                  1. +1
                    15 September 2017 11: 57
                    Panfilov’s? For example, I was inspired ..
                    1. +6
                      15 September 2017 12: 09
                      In “Panfilovtsi” it’s annoying that they shot fantasy for the Second World War, while you can find a huge number of real examples of the heroism of Russian soldiers.
                      1. +1
                        15 September 2017 13: 12
                        fantasy? in the sense of bullshit? or all the same on real facts?
                        I’m thinking that, based on real facts, an ARTistic film is not DOCUMENTARY ..
      2. 0
        15 September 2017 16: 24
        Quote: IvanTheTerrible
        No bullshit to shoot, then people will go to the movies.

        And in order not to remove bullshit you need:
        a) do not steal;
        b) pay staff the same or even more than in the United States for similar work.
        You understand that in the Russian Federation they will never do either one or the other.

        In the USSR, too, they did not scatter much finance, but they shot films in the golden collection now. "Amphibian Man". "Blonde around the corner" and many others stood out a tiny budget.
        Go here http://aeslib.ru/category/kultura-i-iskusstvo/kin
        o inquire how Soviet films were shot. If there is a desire.
  5. +8
    15 September 2017 07: 32
    Maybe enough to shoot epic movies - killers of Hollywood blockbusters? Since we are talking about children and youth, then make films for an audience of 5-16 years ..
  6. +11
    15 September 2017 07: 51
    Let's think, and who in our country makes a movie? And the movies are filmed by people “praying” for Hollywood and secretly dreaming of getting “star” there (my guess). You look at these "movie masterpieces", and in them only the desire of the creator to stand out and assert itself. But we shot a good movie, as in one of these films it says: “It's a shame for the state”!
  7. +16
    15 September 2017 08: 03
    Dear Alexei, my grandson graduated from the St. Petersburg Film and Television Institute this year. He entered the 51 specialists of this institute as the best graduate. Received a red diploma. His student films won awards. I could not get him a job in a film studio in the country and Belarus. He did not go to graduate school, although his teachers asked, and he began to look for a film director. I consider this disgrace. Budget money is spent on all kinds of nonsense that does not educate our people, and excellent students are forced to look for themselves in life. Take TV shows, what kind of films are there? And they were withdrawn on budgetary funds or some channels were given to the USA. So we once gave the country to the labeled, then to Alkash. What will we wait for the second time? I have the honor.
    1. +7
      15 September 2017 16: 03
      Quote: midshipman
      Budget money is spent on all sorts of nonsense that does not educate our people, and excellent students are forced to look for themselves in life

      This is the most offensive! With the Serebryakova and Matilda affair, this blue community just plainly says - this is our cow (budget), and we will milk it! A shame! Who gave this teacher the title of People's Artist of Russia? Blue circle: share money, and positions, and ranks!
  8. +8
    15 September 2017 08: 07
    I don’t watch Russian cinema at all, because it turns out from a poor quality, that of a script, that of directing, etc. I watch European (Norwegian, Danish not very bad) or Asian (Japanese, Korean).
    Of our contemporary, only a couple of Bykov films liked it.
    Therefore, I watch movies very rarely!
  9. +6
    15 September 2017 08: 09
    If all the bureaucratic ideas discussed above are embodied in reality, then Russia may even be left without a cinema
    ... And Russia, and so without a cinema .. How many excellent Russian films can be called over the past 25 years .. not more than a dozen and a half ... Compare the same period with the Soviet one .. for example, from 1960 to 1985 .. the difference will be big .. .Then there was creativity .. now the artist depends on who gives the money .. and basically the principle of “Draw me a kunguru” works ... here basically they’re kunguru and they draw ... uh ...
  10. 0
    15 September 2017 08: 10
    Will it be the new Matilda ??? To kill all obscurantists !!!
  11. +13
    15 September 2017 08: 22
    There is such a joke.
    Mosfilm responded to Hollywood.
    Stop talking to Hollywood already, Hollywood doesn't ask you anything.

    American cinema may be bad, but Russian good for the years of liberalism has not been created at all. At the same time, big money is rolled off to most films, the result is anti-Soviet or cop-showers, or the unfortunate love of the oligarchs. EVERYTHING!
    1. +2
      15 September 2017 16: 28
      Quote: Gardamir
      There is such a joke.
      Mosfilm responded to Hollywood.
      Stop talking to Hollywood already, Hollywood doesn't ask you anything.

      American cinema may be bad, but Russian good for the years of liberalism has not been created at all. At the same time, big money is rolled off to most films, the result is anti-Soviet or cop-showers, or the unfortunate love of the oligarchs. EVERYTHING!

      Mosfilm is the patrimony of Karkna Shakhnazarov, as well as the film fund.
  12. +3
    15 September 2017 08: 24
    Nikita Mikhalkov, beloved, what else? wassat To him, as the elder said, "so far there are no questions" wassat
    1. +2
      15 September 2017 11: 14
      Quote: ketchow
      Nikita Mikhalkov, beloved, what else?

      Earth, you hear a terrible itch, two Mikhalkov crawl over you ....
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 16: 20
        Now ha-ha-arazdo is bigger.
  13. +9
    15 September 2017 08: 34
    It is not clear, talking about money or about the movie? Hollywood movies have a goal - make money! for this - a tense plot, beautiful actors, spectacular shots, in short everything is real, and in the end the hero has a suitcase with money after he shoots all the traitors to the partners. Russian cinema does not have such traditions, the Soviet rejected it. Russian cinema does not have a designated goal either. Follow the path of Hollywood, make money or use a movie as a means of education ??? or a compromise, the choice between inferior and inferior ?? Recently I watched "The Other Side of the Moon" I enjoyed it a lot, the end was a little flawed, it could be made much more perfect with bolder conclusions. But in general, the problem is that there is no clear understandable goal either in the economy or in life or in the cinema.
    1. +2
      15 September 2017 10: 21
      There are complaints to the back of the moon, but I looked at two seasons, the idea is not bad, and there is at least some semblance of a scenario.
    2. +2
      15 September 2017 12: 27
      Quote: aybolyt678
      It is not clear, talking about money or about the movie?

      One cannot be separated from the other, especially now. The scandal surrounding the same Matilda, which few saw clearly demonstrates this. The filmmakers must have been attracted by the ambiguous attitude of the people to the last king. T.No the creators of this film began to shoot about plumbers. Although there was a good Soviet film about them. Remember "Athos"?

      I am unambiguously in control of the use of state funds for the development of art. The only question is how to censor the distribution of funds. "Ah, who are the judges?"
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 12: 41
        PS [quote = There was a Mammoth] The only question is how to censor the distribution of funds. [/ quote]
        The only question is how to censor the values ​​of creative design, the distribution of funds. [/ quote]
      2. 0
        15 September 2017 13: 04
        laughing
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        One cannot be separated from the other, especially now.

        Yes, now everything is mixed up, Culture, which is a system of internal restrictions, is mixed with Art, almost with amateur performances, Money is equated with talent. and Talent, oddly enough, the monetary unit of ancient Athens expressing the value of a specialist slave, this is the main component of art. laughing
  14. +6
    15 September 2017 08: 40
    If the government and the president do not know what kind of films to spend money on, ask the people, he will tell you what kind of movie he wants to watch, lay out short scripts and arrange voting, this is not difficult. Then the winners allocate a budget for the shooting. You can vote for directors and for the main roles. Yes, but then why do we need bureaucracy if the viewer himself decides what to watch.
    1. +3
      15 September 2017 09: 08
      people, it’s mostly gray, if you decide by a simple vote which films to watch, then Gray will work. I believe that in vain they rejected Soviet traditions when making films, they need to be returned, modified due to the changed realities. If the government cannot find a common goal, where to lead the people, then Art can be able to determine what the people and the country need ... Otherwise, what is this Art ???
      1. +2
        15 September 2017 09: 51
        In some respects you are right, but the “gray” people will not read the scripts and will not vote.
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        2. 0
          15 September 2017 15: 06
          Quote: Alex66
          In some respects you are right, but the “gray” people will not read the scripts and will not vote

          I believe that all Russians feel a certain spiritual hunger, an ideological vacuum, many unconsciously, this niche needs to be filled. Need A GOAL.
          1. +1
            15 September 2017 15: 44
            Quote: Stanislav
            Quote: LAWNER
            Masha and the Bear
            A model of the relationship of a young coquette with a “daddy”, in which she sits on her neck and twirls them as she wants.
            - Yes, and with sexual overtones, violence against children and animals ....
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      1. +3
        15 September 2017 10: 09
        and there is such a thing as a public request. When a society faces some kind of problems, Art is simply obliged to beat out the options for solving these problems with its own tools. In modern Russian cinema, I hardly see this. Simple imitation, on the desire to earn
        1. +3
          15 September 2017 10: 21
          In a healthy system, public inquiry is realized through market mechanisms of supply and demand.
          But Russia is not a healthy system. In the Russian Federation, such mechanisms do not work, because national income is redistributed in favor of official offshore companies, and not the corresponding funds (wages, social insurance, pension), which could become a driver of economic growth through the formation of sustainable demand among citizens with moderate state protectionism.
          The system is built on the robbery of resources, including human resources. And poor citizens are a bad buyer and their preferences and needs can be ignored.
          1. +2
            15 September 2017 10: 29
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            because national income is redistributed in favor of official offshore

            I agree, only you missed one step - the Banking System, which today assumes a part of state functions .... and is an integral part of the enemy Western financial system
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              1. 0
                15 September 2017 11: 03
                Quote: IvanTheTerrible
                Then admit that Vlad Pyutin and his friends are also part of the “enemy Western financial system,” because the Central Bank’s policy of weakening the ruble is

                The weakening of the ruble .. means that imports are becoming more expensive, therefore there is a chance for a domestic producer. I believe that the “weak” ruble is not enough with us now. If he were two or two times weaker, he could have let out something technologically advanced.
                1. +1
                  19 September 2017 22: 48
                  it won’t appear. You just ask the bogalter - it’s easier to trade or manufacture. And right away everything will fall into place. Not to mention the costs — how much is needed for production and how much for trade ...
          2. +1
            15 September 2017 10: 46
            Quote: IvanTheTerrible
            In a healthy system, public inquiry is realized through market mechanisms of supply and demand.

            public (social) request is formed from social problems. and implemented
            in art through mastery. Art helps to solve social problems, and in addition to momentary ones, they are also promising. And when a certain social group of people with the help of "art" tries to solve their own material problems under the guise of the State, the PEOPLE HAVE. And the people have what they have. Gray is easier to manage
  16. +2
    15 September 2017 08: 53
    to make a high-quality, competitive product is not easy, you have to work hard, be lazy and remember that sometimes there can be setbacks without being mistaken whoever does nothing at all, and this is his main mistake.
    it’s one thing to imagine that you are adequate, and quite another to be adequate.
    for starters, it would be nice to understand that it is so much opposed to the West and Hollywood is stupid, capricious and urapatriatic.
    we have common values, some reasonable identity - this is quite enough.
  17. +3
    15 September 2017 09: 03
    Quote: Gardamir
    There is such a joke.
    Mosfilm responded to Hollywood.
    Stop talking to Hollywood already, Hollywood doesn't ask you anything.

    American cinema may be bad, but Russian good for the years of liberalism has not been created at all. At the same time, big money is rolled off to most films, the result is anti-Soviet or cop-showers, or the unfortunate love of the oligarchs. EVERYTHING!

    Bravo!
  18. +5
    15 September 2017 09: 13
    If you answer the questions "with whom are you a master of culture?" and "art must serve the people," the answer is clear. Masters of "culture" and "art" today are clearly on the side of those in power, and their art must separate society, with which it successfully and copes. People should be intimidated and split up or fed with sugary tales in the form of endless series about anything like "love-blood-relationships-feelings-and other carrots." ALL! Do not expect anything more from the kin. Hollywood cinema, however, has several goals, the main goal is advertising and propaganda, that everything is cool only in the West, the second is the same goal, to cut as much as possible babloids on it. ALL! Do not look for any hidden meanings anymore, capitalism does not need the ideological consolidation of society, it needs the consolidation of consumers in the supermarket.
  19. +5
    15 September 2017 09: 21
    Is there an urgent need to defeat Hollywood? It will not help with bans (the Internet, not the USSR); Why not use the tricks in search of your own (for the Soviet quality is not available)?
    Hollywood is a figurative platform for world cinema. They are being promoted all over the world, it is in trend, the actors are known (I’m not talking about 2 and 3 variety, which is also a lot). For money, for big money. At the same time, the American image. Export of the American idea and image.
    While ours go by copying (style, effects, advertising, PR ...) sometimes successfully sometimes not. And where there is money, there is no place for other ideas.
    For the domestic audience to go to the domestic cinema, it is necessary that it be in a trend. The trend is set not by domestic cinema and lifestyle .... Therefore, the viewer prefers American (not only in the Russian Federation).
    And the investment in quality, promotion, PR is incomparable.
    Victory on this front is achieved either with a lot of money and hard work, or by exporting one's idea that is superior to the American one. (And more often both)
  20. +2
    15 September 2017 09: 40
    A famous Soviet-era director said (verbatim) "To attract people to watch a movie, you just need to tell an interesting story in this film." Why should we strive to compete with Hollywood, and is it necessary? I do not argue
    in this giant of the film industry, a lot of interesting films have been delivered. But most often they won in viewing dozens of times, where
    the budget was much lower, not to mention advertising. Modern Russians are equally sophisticated in their sophistication
    modern literature. Sometimes unexpected exciting films appear on the TV screen, but they are as if not noticed by the critic, and usually such films are not repeated. I repeat the words of the commentator above that some
    the directors were keen on creating films that would be contestants for the Oscar. Usually, after the failure, these films have a pale appearance on the Russian screen. I will not say anything about creating children’s and youth’s films — they simply don’t.
  21. +3
    15 September 2017 09: 53
    That's just the viewer now is not the same as it was 25-30 years ago. The viewer votes not only with his feet or heart, but also with his head
    Why is it that suddenly, such a demanding audience came to us? It follows from Alexey’s reasoning that Soviet films (coupled with education) led the viewer to cultural degradation: he (the viewer) had only legs and a purse. For 25-30 years he was brought up by "predators", "strangers", polished all this exam and, finally (oh, a miracle!), The viewer got a head that can understand high art (above the level of genitals) without "predators", "strangers" , a screen filled with cherry juice ... It’s not a matter of commercials: they show exactly that, and this is what the viewer goes for, who for the most part will always prefer genitals and blood over the whole screen to any spiritual beauty and harmony. Commercial cinema is a mass art, so it adapts to the tastes of the crowd voting with its wallet; for him, the head is the place of attachment of the eyes and ears of the viewer, no more. It is necessary to cultivate high art, although it is not economically profitable in the near future, but commercial cinema is completely different, for it censorship would not hurt, nmv.
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 11: 01
      Not ... Stanislav, that's right ... The author simply did not finish with a COLD heart and an EMPTY head
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 14: 59
        Quote: Lnglr
        COLD in heart and EMPTY head
        and sweaty hands laughing
  22. +2
    15 September 2017 10: 00
    What other “wise” decision could you expect from this unlicensed version of Harry Potter as Minister of Culture? Online store RWIO already a quarter reminiscent of his bookshop Medina. Put an ATM in his place to issue money to our "geniuses" - Raikin, Teachers, Bondarchuk (not to confuse Fedya with genius dad) - at least we will save on wages.
    1. +2
      15 September 2017 10: 52
      Calm comrade.
      No need to listen to the goblin in homeric doses, and everything will return to normal.
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 16: 52
        And what have the goblin?
  23. +3
    15 September 2017 10: 13
    The dominance of foreign films occurred due to the dominance of clumsy, stuck to the budget of the Russian Federation. Young
    and talented to the budget are not allowed.
  24. +4
    15 September 2017 10: 50
    Quote: nickname7
    The dominance of foreign films occurred due to the dominance of clumsy, stuck to the budget of the Russian Federation. Young
    and talented to the budget are not allowed.

    I agree. To earn money without budget money, you need to plow 25 hours a day. And with budget money you can rent GAMNO for all kinds of biennials, get lion cubs, twigs and other beads for Aboriginal people.
    The only animation that pleases is Masha and the Bear, Three Heroes.
    1. +1
      15 September 2017 15: 22
      Quote: LAWNER
      Masha and the Bear
      A model of the relationship of a young coquette with a “daddy”, in which she sits on her neck and twirls them as she wants.
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 18: 44
        We see this situation from the parent side, and to them Milieu Coquette.
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  26. 0
    15 September 2017 12: 46
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: iConst
    Quote: Wend
    traditions soviet cinema and hollywood special effects

    Things are not compatible. Either remove the cross or wear panties ....

    You are wrong, I won’t watch a faded film. Any Soviet or Russian film will benefit from special effects and tricks. Recreating the historical interior, fantastic worlds, spectacular chases, etc., in this we are far behind Hollywood. If there were no chases, fights and tricks, then the "Elusive Avengers" or "Pirates of the Twentieth Century" would not become the legends of Soviet cinema. And the underwater filming of a feature film that was revolutionary in world cinema would not have entered Amphibian Man into the story.
    Quote: iConst
    Where you need to think or empathize - there special effects are not needed. Why in the book, in a set of black and white squiggles, do we see anything? The master conveys the atmosphere with the help of the word, and the brain draws the most fantastic pictures. No special effects to keep up.
    .

    That's why our movie can not win Hollywood. You generally compare two incomparable movie things and a book, but this is not correct. You can only compare a radio show or an audiobook with a book; this will be correct. And if you follow your recommendations, then the movie should be sent to the dump of art wink

    I agree completely, the modern Russian 3 kopek cinema can’t even close in any way compete with the high-budget high-quality spectacular Hollywood cinema !!!
  27. +3
    15 September 2017 12: 52
    Compare "They Fought for the Homeland" and Stalingrad Bondarchuk. It shows the tragedy of the war (and there are not many battle scenes); in another, Stalingrad is reduced to some sort of nonsense.
  28. +2
    15 September 2017 12: 56
    Culture is an artistic image of the present. That is why, despite the endless slander on the past of the country, films, songs of those times remain in demand? They have already convinced everyone that in the past there was only a vile "scoop", in the present the country is flourishing. But no films have been created that can be watched with interest many times, no songs have been written that remain in the soul. Just because the Soviet culture, which reflected the spiritual state of people, was replaced by a new culture that reflects today's reality. Reality is not freedom, but permissiveness, the norm has become hypocrisy and deceit, profligacy and perversion. And the artistic image of such a present demonstrates contemporary lack of culture, instead of culture. In place of spiritual experiences, the formation and improvement of personality, came the achievement of pleasure and the improvement of consumption. Well, there is nothing in the abdominal organs that can hurt the soul, how many and in what angle do not show nudity - this will not increase the culture. And there’s nothing more to shoot.
    Innovations in film distribution are such a predictable action by the government: to create nothing, but to make money pay, everything is as usual.
    1. +5
      15 September 2017 20: 04
      You are absolutely right!
      Moreover, this continues to counteract the emergence of a new economy. Right now, information is in the scrolling line that the government is stimulating enterprises selling fish for export ... Medvedev needs 7% for export. So, he does not develop domestic production, but stimulates export. It really is ruining the industry! Remember in the movie "Eternal Call" by Polipov? Here ... poured ....
      The increase in exports should be a consequence of the revival of domestic production. And here - the struggle for performance so that it does not become ...
      The President says: May decrees, 50% of civilian production at the defense industry complex by 2017 year, and this (the whole team of butler, shuvalovs, ...) is sending money to stimulate EXPORT! This is wrecking !!!
      So in the movies ..., the same liberal approach. My head is spinning from such an environment ...
  29. +1
    15 September 2017 12: 56
    Amers like that (the marines from the embassy) were shown “Go and see,” the first question was - And this, that the Germans fought like that? Yes . they killed like that. This is not the occupation of Paris.
  30. +1
    15 September 2017 13: 15
    In general, the proposal is essentially one thing:
    to entrust this matter to Mrs. Poklonskaya. Looking, how masterly, I’m not afraid to say talented, she promoted the domestic Matylda. Now, every domestic audience is simply obliged to go and see who is there and how young Nikolai Alexandrovich ... Especially from the drawer, her people directly stated that it was natural, even pornography. And then many would think that this is about an English movie tank. What Holywood, what Odessa Jews! And then Ms. Poklonskaya does not understand what. Ulyukaev was detained and imprisoned. There she already has nothing to do, everything has already been done. And then they surrendered directly, "we will not pull against the Americans!" This is what American hirers say so, which are against domestic cinema on the domestic screen. But in Suvorov, using ingenuity and the Cossack Orthodox attack - and where is their Holywood? Correctly...
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  32. +4
    15 September 2017 13: 40
    Written nonsense!
    The problem, as always, is in the selection of films, even foreign ones.
    Choose what the audience likes, but they like this and that! Then the method is to follow the lead of the audience. So cultivate disgusting! Stir up lust. In other words, refer to the animal instincts of man.
    However, screening screening is again more important.
    It already depends on the composition of experts.
    Judging by Matilda - experts, enemies of Russia. They have just chosen what will push people against their foreheads, sow discord and give birth to worshipers and other zealots of piety.
    The criterion of morality and morality + censorship and censorship again on this basis.
    The need for which was written by Pushkin in relation to the publication of books.
    How many times did his argument for the need for censorship increase with the advent of the cinema and television world ?!
  33. +2
    15 September 2017 14: 02
    The best films, including Hollywood, are made on a good literary basis and always will be. First of all, we do not have good modern literature.
    1. +2
      15 September 2017 14: 26
      Perhaps they are right, but, for example, the Quartet And, (Election Day, Radio Day) are high-quality comedies.
      1. 0
        16 September 2017 00: 45
        What men are talking about "philosophy in its purest form. And the film's floor quotes.
  34. +1
    15 September 2017 14: 24
    And it’s a shame for the Power.
  35. +3
    15 September 2017 14: 42
    In defense of “Alien” (namely, the first “Alien” of 1979 by Ridley Scott) I’ll say that this is never consumer goods, but very, very high-quality science fiction with elements of horror. At one time it looked in one breath. "Alien predator predivitel" is understandably an attempt to cut down the dough on a popular brand.
  36. 0
    15 September 2017 14: 48
    Quote: IvanTheTerrible
    In a healthy system, public inquiry is realized through market mechanisms of supply and demand.

    ------------------------------
    Art, culture and the market are not always compatible, and sometimes completely incompatible. If art can fit into the market through paintings, sculpture, photos, cinema and other material objects, then with culture everything is much more complicated. Culture must either be popularized or taste must be cultivated. These are very complex processes, so the air is filled with mass culture, all kinds of pops or counterculture in the form of punk rock and other hardcore. Therefore, what kind of "healthy system" are you talking about, I personally do not understand. The Hollywood Healthy System is set up for massive sales around the world. There is advertising, the instant premiere of supernews in all cinemas, all kinds of pompous awards such as Oscars or Emmys. Hollywood is a modern cinematic retail. He will sell you any nonsense about love, superheroes and anything else.
  37. 0
    15 September 2017 14: 57
    “But now the viewer is now not the same as it was 25-30 years ago. The viewer votes not only with his feet or heart, but also with his head. You can stuff the viewer with commercials about how good this film is and it will go for it. But then- then the viewer is no longer fooled. "

    They’ll go, just as they’ll go, people and not so good that it’s worth only the festival of the so-called Russian bloggers doing all kinds of nonsense, and rap battles of thugs who live on the air pouring verbal slop on each other, culture is growing ... The heads of the current generation, already crammed with manure to the eyeballs, and this "ship" as a nice little swim where he will be sent!
    And what officials do of course is nonsense! It seems to me that we need more restrictions on anti-patriotic propaganda in films, and other heresies so that believers are not offended, of course, such restrictions are thin ice, and some already exist, they need to be introduced carefully, little by little. Naturally, these restrictions should apply to domestic manufacturers! Also, you need to really well encourage and set as an example, films that received good reviews from the audience and critics, the same "28 Panfilov".
    Privileges and all kinds of help should of course be given to our directors, and I agree with the author that this help should not be excessive, so that the motivation to create something worthwhile remains! And in fact, it’s not a lot of effort in this direction, what would be the result! Also, I am against the restriction on the total percentage of impressions, because this is healthy competition, you just need to weed out the manure, and that will be enough.
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 15: 54
      Quote: Revansh
      you just need to weed out the manure,
      -the problem is WHO where to find such screeners - so that at least 50% of the population agrees with them
      for example, here in comments already flashed that the film about Panfilov’s is fantasy (i.e., in Russian lies), and it has 2 pluses - i.e. at least 3 people also think. But at the same time, the bulk of VO liked the film ..
      Where to find that fine line: so as not to divide society - but unite it and who will keep this line is the main problem of our society today ...
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 18: 53
        Quote: your1970
        Where to find that fine line: so as not to divide society - but unite it and who will keep this line is the main problem of our society today ..

        wonderful question. And I'm always talking about the same thing. Art, it just shows the problems and characters, ingenious authors explaining the problems of fathers and children. Showing paths to each other. I repeat once again need a Goal. Clear, close to everyone, on the verge of reach but achievable. I believe this goal could be Russia as it was promised by the Communists, at least similar. So Russia is arming itself, preparing for war, and what is easier to fight, or while peace, to grow rich and develop? what are the possible ways? Why has art removed the function of a lighthouse? To which one aspires
        1. 0
          16 September 2017 06: 25
          Quote: aybolyt678
          So Russia is arming itself, preparing for war, and what is easier to fight, or while peace, to grow rich and develop?
          The question is a bit provocative, as it includes two aspects: moral and technical. The answer is closely related to many of the initial conditions, but the point is not “easier - harder”, but what it should do. Almost everyone knows the correct answer: si vis pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war).
      2. 0
        19 September 2017 20: 55
        for example, here in comments already flashed that the film about Panfilov’s is fantasy (i.e., in Russian lies), and it has 2 pluses - i.e. at least 3 people also think. But at the same time, the bulk of the movie liked the VO

        Fantasy, (also fantasy, fantasy, fantasy) (English fantasy - “fantasy”) - a genre of fantastic literature, cinema, painting, computer ...
        But it’s not a lie, it’s an enemy movie that you slip under the sauce of patriotism, for the blissful idea of ​​“reconciling” the red and white.
  38. +3
    15 September 2017 15: 48
    Quote: Stanislav
    Quote: LAWNER
    Masha and the Bear
    A model of the relationship of a young coquette with a “daddy”, in which she sits on her neck and twirls them as she wants.
    + sexual overtones + violence against children and animals + ..
    Further to continue? This is only a sketch of how you can turn ANYTHING inside out, absolutely any thought / thing ..

    By the way, Carlson in Sweden is considered a sharply negative character - she is wandering, lying, stealing, eating something, not listening to elders, etc.
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 16: 32
      Quote: your1970
      By the way, Carlson in Sweden is considered a sharply negative character - she is wandering, lying, stealing, eating something, not listening to elders, etc.

      We are different people, so the Swedes think sowe a beggar - a man of God, always blessed the blessed with deep respect,they - as you said, lying, wandering, etc.
      1. +1
        15 September 2017 19: 16
        Quote: bober1982
        ,we a beggar - a man of God, the blessed have always been treated with deep respect
        - why? but because we have a blessed one - always an adversary of power, power (any !!) we historically do not believe, power can not fight loonies, well, maybe on the block feel
        we conclude that "the blessed one always tells the TRUTH-once the power offends him" (although neither the first of the second, nor the second of the first absolutely follows). As a result, the whole world does not like / despise, and in Russia take off the time as if with special value. The same story with the convicts / criminals - "Power offended !!" and it does not matter that he has a dozen souls with an hatchet .... From here grow the roots of the chanson ...
        1. 0
          15 September 2017 19: 34
          Here I cannot agree with you, they were not any opponent of power, and could not be, earthly power was not a decree to them. They weren’t from this world, they always spoke the truth, and therefore respected them.
          But in the West they did not understand and do not understand, for them the main thing is to be a “successful” person, and in our language this means to be impudent, to be able to push one's elbows, to step over someone.
          Therefore, we have different cinemas, there is nothing in common, and can not be. Here and with Carlson such a misunderstanding turned out, even on such a seemingly harmless example.
        2. +2
          16 September 2017 00: 48
          Not Chanson but Blatnyak. Which mows under the chanson.
    2. 0
      16 September 2017 06: 55
      Quote: your1970
      a sketch of how you can turn ANYWHERE inside out, absolutely any thought
      I would not call this a “sketch,” but call it a “throw”. For a sketch, at least minimal mental effort is required. Can you formulate the essence of the relationship between the characters differently? Try to swap the gender of the characters, you will immediately see how the cartoon loses its charm: such a boy’s attitude to the bear would no longer look so “cute” outwardly.
    3. 0
      16 September 2017 07: 43
      Quote: your1970
      By the way, Carlson in Sweden is considered a sharply negative character
      What does Carlson have to do with it? Answer questions about the ethics and morality of the relationship between M and M. 1. Between people, such relationships are not ethical (but the public likes it, which should alert me not only to the elderly paranoid, but to anyone who analyzes the educational aspect of the cartoon). 2. The moral of such a relationship is most clearly seen by a teenager in the relationship of a cocotte with a “daddy”. 3. The cartoon consolidates this unethical morality in society.
      1. 0
        16 September 2017 08: 07
        Quote: Stanislav
        this unethical moral
        Requires clarification. Inside this widespread moral, everything is fine: Papic uses a young pretty woman, and she uses a Papic wallet. But the Bear in the cartoon does not use Masha, but loves her, which allows fixing ethical issues.
        Another close metaphor-model may be parent-child relationships, but they do not change the sign of the ethical polarity of the cartoon. Would you like that attitude from your daughter?
        1. 0
          16 September 2017 10: 12
          it would be much cooler to have a trained bear than a really daddy - young
          1. 0
            16 September 2017 10: 31
            Quote: aybolyt678
            it would be cooler to have a trained bear
            There is not even a hint of this in the cartoon: purely human relations are presented, however, as in any fairy tale or fable.
  39. +3
    15 September 2017 16: 37
    Quote: your1970
    Further to continue? This is only a sketch of how you can turn ANYTHING inside out, absolutely any thought / thing ..

    ---------------------------
    I'll throw you in the tape to laugh at least ...
    1. 0
      16 September 2017 07: 19
      Quote: Altona
      to laugh at least
      "Cinema is the most important art for us" ... rjunimagu laughing laughing wassat
      PS If you find a more accurate model of relations between people in the M & M cartoon, which is understandable to a child, than I have brought (though not mine), I will be very grateful.
  40. 0
    15 September 2017 16: 45
    Quote: iConst
    Quote: Wend
    I answered all your questions.

    I didn’t ask much questions either.

    Quote: Wend
    Perhaps there is only one thing left. Tarkovsky genius is only for a small number of viewers. And what the main spectator wants, I already wrote.

    Here! What I was talking about! Meal'n'Real! And to strain the brain is not a lordly occupation.
    My dear - here we come to what we came to. Bo as the people hawala - here, eat. I like naked boobs - I have them.
    In sports, you need to exhaust yourself with training in order to achieve physical perfection. In cinema, you also need to cultivate taste in order to distinguish “forget-me-not from crap” ©.
    Otherwise, degradation. Which we are observing. And it's not about special effects.

    Quote: Wend
    And why did you cling to me with Bondarchuk’s film, I didn’t write his assessment anywhere. But I can point you to a dozen films where the lack of high-quality scenery, prescribed script. special effects, sound design, film editing, etc. makes the picture so that it is impossible to watch.

    But because the youngest is completely fit into your philosophy. And the result is obvious.

    About films that do not have this. So it was not about them. Not about miserable crafts or creative failures. So the creator considered it possible to release it on display. So people picks. And tell the hype headlines how delicious that shit was.
    And the great Charlie Chaplin burned almost finished films. Why's that?

    Think about it ...

    Again trampled upon innuendo. Do not put your inadequate conclusions in my head. Read what is written. Do not look for a dark cat in a dark room when it is not there.
  41. 0
    15 September 2017 17: 22
    Hollywood takes off 2-3 masterpieces every five years. The rest is chernukha, which is intended for colonies. To defeat Hollywood, you need to shoot even worse.
  42. 0
    15 September 2017 17: 45
    Quote: Black Sniper
    Matilda should not be allowed to rent, the film contradicts the Orthodox canons. Where it is seen the Russian tsar in a legal marriage meets cohabiting with some sort of ballerina, SHAME for all Orthodox !!!

    So is it true or not? Or again ideological censorship, in this case by the Russian Orthodox Church? Enter the appropriate restrictions, for example, "18+" with an explanation of the reason for the restriction (for example, morally-ethically-controversial), but you can’t categorically prohibit it, let the viewer decide by his wallet, and the "believers" do not have to go to this film ...
    But we already passed ideological prohibitions, by the way, into some categories of "more equal" and their full-time propagandists, these prohibitions did not apply. Do you (and the ROC) like the result? ...
  43. +2
    15 September 2017 18: 02
    The rental is actually in the hands of American companies, which dictate the repertoire. S. Govorukhin said in an interview that we are buying not just a good picture from them, but a picture in a package: “This is when there is one decent film, and in addition to it, for free, three or five films made for the natives”.
  44. 0
    15 September 2017 18: 47
    Quote: Andrew Fuchs
    Will it be the new Matilda ??? To kill all obscurantists !!!

    Your wives have been watching home for 6 years. Vuaermism ?????
  45. +1
    16 September 2017 00: 12
    by the number of films with a dumb script, I think even Hollywood caught up and overtook.
    1. 0
      16 September 2017 01: 04
      Junk was always and everywhere. The question is, is there a "pearl" among the "chaff"?
      For example, I like the film "territory" "geographer" is not bad.
      There are films on the Fourth Four.
      The question is that part of the audience is not ready for such. And with the films on the Five, part of the “people” will be completely suppressed.
      Hollywood has long educated its viewers and is now making profit from them. Russian cinema has yet to educate its viewers, and this process is not fast. "For you cannot fill a cup that is already full."
      By the way, who remembers where the quote came from?
  46. 0
    17 September 2017 21: 37
    It is necessary to return the Arts Councils, then the movie will go normal. And, The main thing is to return IDEOLOGY, without it everything is empty ...
  47. 0
    17 September 2017 23: 21
    The films we have may not be the best, but I don’t understand the requirements of some of our sofa film critics - they scold Russian films for pathos, excessive heroism, they need everything to be exactly like in a documentary, but at the same time they admire the heroes of Hollywood, where American Rambo is alone copes with a company of soldiers, and even in Vietnam, where in reality they were defeated.
    1. 0
      17 September 2017 23: 36
      I like domestic films “22 minutes”, “Huntsman”, “28 Panfilovites”, “5 brides”. And some other others. The listed films on YouTube are translated into several languages ​​- Serbian, Czech, Polish, Spanish and when I watched reviews on YouTube under the translated versions of these films I did not see any negative reviews, many foreigners liked them.
  48. 0
    19 September 2017 04: 03
    Let's play with the situation - the state allocated money and said “shoot whatever you want, on any topic - we trust you”. Is this possible in Russia or not? Many people do not understand: “what does it mean -“ to give money ”and not know what the film is about?” And if THERE IS IT !!! And if THERE ABOUT YOURSELF !!! ”
       I'm not talking about Hollywood, about him below. In the USA, the state gives the taxpayer headstock to the Smithsonian Museums (which are free and open 365 days) and does not require a report on which paintings / sculptures were spent and no official has a question about the contents of the painting / sculpture. But is this possible in Russia?
      Now about Hollywood. Hollywood is a serious business. They are looking for investors, because the creators of the future film have little or no money at all. And if you invested and the film paid off - well, but if not, then flew by. Everything is like in any business. To invest the taxpayer’s money in a “beautiful dream”, then control the scenario (the USSR still has the Ministry of Culture in the brain) and want to see a profit?
       You can have a profit if you go to the cinema system, and keep the money for tickets from your salary. 
  49. 0
    19 September 2017 19: 55
    It all starts with the school desk, or rather, from the kindergarten, where the child should be brought up and accustomed to folk heroes, and not to any shapeless and asexual sponge-beans, etc. After school, they must know the classics, both native and foreign, for this the school should not to provide services, and to educate a person who is thinking, creative, able to analyze and clearly communicate in their native language with a normal vocabulary in the vocabulary. Cultural degradation is progressing, often, especially young people are no longer able to simply, normally communicate in a team. Therefore, Hollywood is in demand , no need to think, no need to know, there is good, there is bad, the ending is known.
    The trouble with our cinema, and the whole pop culture, TV and other garbage, is that at the helm now there are graduates of the 90s, effective managers, all sorts of paid courses and mass paid higher education of everything and everyone who received their basic education in taverns parties, and the sessions took the loot of papiks and proteges. A bunch of these courses and cursors, where a mass of so-called actors and actresses multiply, all of whose talent is in the thickness and connections of papiks who painfully recall the text on the screen, curving their faces and performing clowning portraying emotions and feelings, as they think. All this elite, this whole industry is struck by nepotism, dough and friendships, attach their favorite children. Ignoring talents (its complete absence) and external data. Scenarios, especially TV shows, are riveting, good noticeably on the 2nd female, and on the 1st, where the young wife steers with friends, it was not in vain that she tried so hard and fiddled with an old man, amazed by such happiness, as I call, the hunting predator from Rublevka, without any idea of ​​psycho logic of behavior, without elementary logic, with dialogs for the vocabulary of Allochka-Cannibal’s words, far from real life, with a brain sharpened for meanness and a wallet hunt, and even abandoned and unsatisfied in the end. Not one talent can ever appear in this garbage, if he does not have connections, and most importantly a thick wallet of a dad or a sponsor. The whole industry, like TV, as well as pop-garbage, as well as the civil service, turns into a family-clan enterprise, a private club of interests. Hence the absence talented works, the impossibility of creative work, a low level of culture, a banal lack of knowledge of the classics and foundations of art. Even plagiarism, monkey imitation of Hollywood looks ridiculous and wretched, showing the whole level of these apprentices from art. Therefore, they scream, protecting thieves, like
    but he was a star of art, an amateur, maybe not only gay and debauchery, here he is their whole world, which they are plebbing in plebs.
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    19 September 2017 20: 59
    An additional message: who are we going to grow in Hollywood films from the series “Alien vs. Predator”, “Predator vs. Alien” or the hypothetical “Bleeding of Bloody Blood”? ..

    To the author: Have you seen the age rating of these films? it can be watched by people who are kind of too late to "grow"