Old threats to the Russian economy

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The oil issue made me speak again after Barack Obama and David Cameron had spoken about possible printing out reserves managed by the International Energy Agency. After the appearance of this kind of information, oil prices rushed down, but then returned to their usual lately marks.

It is the high price for “black gold” that today negatively affects the plans of the current American president to remain in the White House for another 4 year. This is due to the fact that in the first months of 2012, due to the rising prices for oil, gasoline prices in the United States sharply jumped up, which also dragged up prices for most goods and services. For natural reasons, ordinary Americans remain unhappy with this state of affairs and more and more actively express their complaints about the financial policy of the current authorities. Against the background of civil discontent, Obama and stretched his hands to the cherished IEA egg pot with oil reserves. After all, if the oil "stabilization" fund is printed, it will cause the world market to be saturated with oil, the supply will exceed the demand for raw materials, and hence the prices for hydrocarbons will go down. For the United States and the European Union on the eve of the embargo on the importation of Iranian oil, the option is quite promising. But for Russia this option can obviously be considered problematic.

Today, thanks to high oil prices, the Russian budget is steadily filled with petrodollars and thus draws the Russian economy in iridescent colors. However, firstly, it is precisely what “draws”, and, secondly, it is worthwhile for oil to lose a quarter of its present value, which is predicted when IEA reserves are used up, as the Russian economy will even lose its luster. True, here it is necessary to make a reservation that even today this gloss is no more than an external impression. The fact that the deal with the Russian financial system in 2012 doesn’t go as well is confirmed by the results published by Russian and international analytical services. So in January of this year, GDP in Russia fell by 0,1%. It would seem that the January recession is quite understandable for our country, but the whole point is that the decline was recorded even without taking into account the 10-day New Year holidays. It turns out that the production process has lost momentum obtained in 2011 year, even with solid prices for hydrocarbons.
One would think that the 0,1% decline in the first month of the year should be perceived as a statistical error, but everything turned out to be much more serious. The decline was also recorded in February. If we extrapolate the data for the whole year, it turns out that the growth of the economy according to the results of 2012 will be no more than 3,9%, which is 0,4% lower than last year. We remind you that with the active growth of oil prices, which looks completely strange to Russia. After all, the price rise of oil has always dragged the domestic economy up, but, as it turned out, not in this case. It turns out that, unfortunately, one cannot expect anything iridescent from the Russian economy even under the scenarios of active demand for “black gold”, and even more so nothing good can be expected if Obama does get to the oil storerooms.

What is the cause of the problems in the Russian economy in 2012? If you do not talk about the formal approach to the financial system, when success in one direction is issued for total financial positive, then it is worth noting that the outflow of capital from our country has only recently grown. It is the same as to put the revenues bit by bit into a large safe box, in the back wall of which someone punched a big hole and simply steals money through it. The outflow of capital in 2011 from Russia amounted to about 84 billions of dollars (more than two annual budgets of a city like Moscow), and this year, obviously, will also be considerable. It is necessary to clarify that 84 billion dollars are only officially recorded figures, which can be represented only as the tip of the iceberg.

At the same time, the Central Bank of Russia predicts just a cardinal decline in the outflow of finances abroad - no more than 11 billions of dollars over 2012 a year. And this figure is by no means small, but unfortunately, it is hard to believe that the outflow will decrease by almost eight times.
It turns out simple arithmetic: the Russian economy in the wake of rising oil prices receives substantial inflows, but at the same time continues to descend down the steps. Theft of funds in our country has reached such a scale that even petrodollar replenishments cannot give the financial system sufficient impetus for sustained development. In this situation, the level of investment in the Russian financial system also decreases. Foreign investors, who previously feared too much administrative resources in the Russian Federation and pressure on business from government agencies, now add to their fears that the Russian markets are not transparent.

Not adding economic optimism for Russia is also Chinese statistics. At the end of February, the Celestial Empire recorded a record trade deficit, and this is also a step towards slowing the growth of the Chinese financial system. If we consider that the Chinese economy today is the second in the world, then this may pull the negative in other economies. The growing trade deficit in China will obviously lead to a decrease in demand for oil, which will force the exchange to lower the price of a barrel of “black gold”.

All of these components suggest that Russia may again have to launch a hand in its stabilization fund to keep the ruble exchange rate. After all, today the Russian currency, in fact, is tied to the oil swing, and if these swings reach a mark with the minimum potential energy, then the ruble will follow them.

The way out of such a peak suggests itself: to give up all forces in order to systematically reduce the outflow of capital from the country. Otherwise, even exorbitant oil prices, which, obviously, will not be forever exorbitant, will not save the Russian financial system from the failure of 2008 of the year.

And, it seems, the Russian special services, at last, have begun to work actively to prevent the outflow of funds abroad. It is reported that the FSB blocked the channel through which Russian capital went to European banks on a colossal scale. The channel used the activities of enterprises that managed to organize a corporate network of clearly criminal nature. It remains to hope that a real barrier will be built up for the work of those who use Russia only as a territory to start moving capital in the right direction for them.
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  1. +10
    17 March 2012 08: 02
    I allow myself to ask Alexei, how is it possible that the economy integrated into the world grows with a decline in overall activity? Alas, the Soviet model, when we looped ourselves, has become a thing of the past and, in any clue, the global crisis will affect us ... but in general it’s a very good article .. It’s worth reading, like everything that Alexei writes ... To paraphrase Ilf and Petrov-Deladier-head, Chamberlain-head and Volodin-head ... laughing
    1. +6
      17 March 2012 08: 13
      Once again, Alexei "surprised" the completeness of the article - "scared" the problems and, in his summary, indicated one of the recipes for resisting the impending wave of the next crisis. Thanks.
      1. +8
        17 March 2012 08: 17
        Hi Valera! I’m already used to his style of writing and therefore I know very well what and how it will be ... lol In the beginning we’ll make a scary face wassat ..In the center of the article, a person turns into a mournfully crying recourse ..There are a few options ... request ..Well, and an optimistic end .. so that everyone was happy tongue
        1. +6
          17 March 2012 08: 33
          domokl,
          Sasha, fireworks! This is Alexei's "Law of the Genre"! laughing But, on the other hand, the guy finds beautiful and topical topics where, it seems, there is nothing to look for. Well done!
          1. +6
            17 March 2012 10: 30
            Gentlemen, let me remind you that the article is entitled: "Old Threats to the Russian Economy." Therefore, this article, the "manner of writing", the problems it expresses, the "laws of the genre" remain the same ... :-)
            1. Paratov
              +8
              17 March 2012 11: 26
              Let the Americans print what they want, it will not affect the price of oil! The short-term effect, after a maximum of a month, will exhaust itself!
              1. +7
                17 March 2012 14: 45
                Quote: Paratov
                Let the Americans print what they want, it will not affect the price of oil! The short-term effect, after a maximum of a month, will exhaust itself!

                Moreover, after the end of the effect, a jump in prices is inevitable. Moreover, the arithmetic mean value, namely it is always taken into account, will be even higher since there is a problem of replenishment of spent reserves, which leads to a sharp increase in demand.
                1. admiral
                  +7
                  17 March 2012 15: 27
                  That's it, Ziksura! And you can also provoke an increase in prices artificially! A lot of methods! ..
                2. +1
                  18 March 2012 01: 40
                  Quote: Ziksura
                  Moreover, after the end of the effect, a jump in prices is inevitable. Moreover, the arithmetic mean value, namely, it is always taken into account, will be even higher

                  It’s important for Obama to win the election ..., rising prices for fuel and lubricants after the presidential election is certainly unpleasant for Obama, but he can achieve the main goal, namely the presidential chair in the Oval Office, with this trick.
          2. Uralm
            +1
            18 March 2012 00: 33
            Aleksey just forgot to say that this oil Kubyshka is also not bottomless
        2. 0
          18 March 2012 01: 28
          Quote: domokl
          In the beginning we’ll make a scary face .. In the center of the article, the face turns into a mournfully crying .. Then there are a few options ... .. Well and an optimistic end .. so that everyone was happy

          Dramaturgy however ...
      2. Sasha36543
        +2
        17 March 2012 14: 38
        As far as I remember, there is always "capital outflow from Russia." How much can you drain? Always flows out and never ends. The self-assembled tablecloth, however.
    2. +4
      17 March 2012 13: 29
      Quote: domokl
      I allow myself to ask Alexei, how is it possible that the economy integrated into the world, with a decline in general activity, grow?

      So I also had this question: even Chinese officials predict the country's economy will grow by about 7,5%! This is despite the fact that for many years the growth was measured in double digits. And it is completely incomprehensible how the author links oil prices directly to GDP. As far as I know, the price of oil directly affects the trade balance (the difference between export and import), one of the four terms in calculating GDP.

      And about the printing of stocks, so this has nothing to do with us. Our main buyers are Europe, which for several years has been reducing oil production (and they really lack it) and China. It has already been written many times that the price of oil is influenced by a lot of factors and the quantity of reserves in the USA is the smallest of them, which is simply physically incapable of significantly changing the price.

      And about the fact that the oil needle is actually a needle and nothing catastrophic will be written too many times. Http: //sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/
      Another very good link was, I just can’t find it yet. (Everything was clear and detailed there)
      1. +1
        17 March 2012 14: 48
        Quote: kos
        Our main buyers are Europe, which has been reducing oil production for several years (and they really lack it)

        Add to this the plans for abandoning nuclear energy and, as a consequence, the growth of hydrocarbon consumption.
        1. zlibeni
          +1
          18 March 2012 10: 21
          Europe mainly relies on renewable sources and if you look at the trends of recent decades, Europe is reducing energy consumption a lot. what they want to abandon nuclear energy is a question yet. stations will not close their resources until they work out. and this is about 20 years. I can put Bulgaria as an example . abandoning the goat dui station, they were given grants for renewable sources. there are strewn with windmills. one windmill is 1 MW
        2. -2
          18 March 2012 11: 47
          Quote: Ziksura
          Add to this the plans for abandoning nuclear energy and, as a consequence, the growth of hydrocarbon consumption.
          I agree. The demand for gas only will increase significantly by 2030 (I don’t remember the exact numbers)
      2. +1
        18 March 2012 12: 55
        An oil pod (like any other) has one. but an unpleasant feature of the bottom or limited volume. If the Anglo-Saxons found (well, for example, how they want to find in Iran) the capacity for oil production, then we can consider the factors of influence on Russia, unlike us (I can't understand why we don't use such an effective leverage), the Anglo-Saxons will not hesitate to fuck anyone oil and gas "club". The jug can be unpacked, but stock speculators will tear it apart in a moment and take it away to their funds, prices may fall for a short time and nothing more, but it will be difficult to refill it. And then any cataclysm in the oil market (without this very egg-pod) can be unpredictable and sad for the Anglo-Saxons. A small oil price for Russia can be survived if it is available, but a large one for the West if it is absent.
  2. wall
    +2
    17 March 2012 09: 21
    I agree with the author on all points. Oil for any state is a blessing of heaven, the engine of the economy. But in our country, it has become a problem for the people. The elite prefers to swing to the West without thinking about tomorrow. Therefore, it turns out that if Obama just thought to print the egg, and we already have a headache - what should we do?
    1. Sasha36543
      +1
      17 March 2012 14: 41
      At first I wanted to give you a couple of cans of gasoline. But then he changed his mind. Why burden you with unnecessary problems.
  3. +9
    17 March 2012 09: 24
    Guys ...
    The author of the article is right in many respects ... this can be seen with the naked eye:
    1. There are few working factories and enterprises besides the processing industry ... even if there is nowhere for us to sell our goods, the cost is too high (equipment is almost outdated almost everywhere), and new ones are not being built ...
    2. Real incomes are declining. It is interesting to many in Russia (not in Moscow or St. Petersburg) that they increase official salaries every year by at least 10% -20% (real inflation rate)
    3. Real inflation rises every year at about 20% (Why not increase if the government itself raises the prices of gas, electricity and water - which are the costs that exist in any production and somehow cling to the cost chains of goods of all categories, number and essentials).
    4. The tax burden for medium-sized businesses and small businesses has grown exponentially - accordingly, that all capital goes into the "blackness"
    5. Corruption has reached a truly unprecedented scale - the existing government is simply laundering money - for example, renaming the police to the police before the election (they didn’t do it right :)) there are a lot of examples ....
    6. The bureaucracy only grows - and who should feed it? - taxes of ordinary workers (PFR example: of all insurance premiums - 31,3%, only 20 actually goes to the accumulation of the rest to feed officials)
    7. Accession to the WTO - for medium and small businesses, accession to the WTO is a blow under the breath.
    8. It is interesting why in our country not a single product is cheaper than in the West in spite of global changes in world prices (example of fuel and lubricants)
    in the USSR there was not a looped economy diagram - but clearly planned with captured sales markets and with really effective relations between enterprises
    9. The government adopted a program to increase the birth rate - the number of children has increased - and kindergartens? schools.? teachers? but temples are being restored throughout the country
    10. We will not particularly talk about the military-industrial complex, and so everything is in plain sight ... for example, the failure of the state defense order, the falling missiles and satellites

    PS We can talk for a long time about the real disadvantages of the economy in Russia and everywhere we will see a depressing picture
    1. Paratov
      +7
      17 March 2012 11: 37
      If you carefully read Putin’s plans, that’s what he was talking about! .. But whether he will fulfill his intentions or not is another question.
    2. i.e
      i.e
      -6
      17 March 2012 12: 06
      "We can talk for a long time about the real disadvantages of the economy in the Russian Federation and everywhere we will see a depressing picture" - absolutely true! and then in the subject of Qatar, some miracle "economists" drew bright economic affairs in Russia and tried to laugh at Qatar ... lol and there is such a devastating article about your own economy ... and now the question is: who has ruled all this for the last 12 years? .. good question? the oil "needle" will not lead to any good ... especially when the lion's share of it settles in foreign banks in the notorious Dollar, which supposedly costs nothing .. all this is strange .. I can only advise "wooden" fans of GDP to read more about the Russian economy, instead of the American one ... but in terms of power, go at least to Ruspres, there is a lot of sobering laughing
    3. +10
      17 March 2012 13: 13
      Damn, I did not want to respond to another nagging, but I just can not help it.
      1.
      Quote: Hamul
      There are few working factories and enterprises besides the processing industry ...

      There are more and more of these same enterprises and factories: Over the past seven months, 400 new manufactures have appeared in Russia (there is a sign there)
      http://romzes-iv.livejournal.com/344802.html
      You can also visit these sites: http://sdelanounas.ru http://www.moderniz.ucoz.ru is also useful.
      2. Why not 30% Who measured the "real" inflation rate? Are you ready to argue reasonably with Rosstat?
      And the real incomes of the population were so reduced that all yards and roads were clogged with cars (far from old and cheap), about 10 million of our compatriots went to 2011 abroad to rest, I already wrote about cinemas.
      3.
      Quote: Hamul
      Real inflation is growing every year around 20%

      Do you even know how inflation is calculated for the year? There is such a concept as a consumer basket, which includes several hundred goods and services. By calculating the price change of this very basket, inflation is calculated. It is not superfluous to add that all changes in tariffs are already included in the cost of goods, and therefore are taken into account when calculating inflation.
      4.
      Quote: Hamul
      The tax burden for medium-sized businesses and small businesses has grown exponentially - accordingly, all capital goes into the "blackness"
      Examples, give dynamics.
      5.
      Quote: Hamul
      Corruption has reached truly unprecedented proportions - the existing government is simply laundering money - for example, renaming the police to the police before the election (they didn’t do it right :)) there are many examples ....

      About gigantic corruption, only the lazy one did not say anything.
      By the way, VTsIOM conducted interesting studies, so read carefully: http://bd.fom.ru/pdf/d18pkr11.pdf
      Here's another interesting thing: "Who and how makes the Russian Federation the world leader in corruption": http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/9014/
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/7278/

      6.
      Quote: Hamul
      The bureaucratic apparatus only grows - and who should feed it? - taxes of ordinary hard workers
      You do not need to smear everyone with one paint, or do you propose to completely abandon officials as such?
      And how many parasites we still have, why no one remembers them?
      All sorts of: designers, clip makers, swindlers, traders, makeup artists and a huge amount of office plankton (yes half of Moscow). What do they really produce? What is their participation in the real sector of the economy? And I don’t need to talk about the post-industrial economy here. There, in post-industrial America, Obama is now scratching turnips as a return from Asia.

      7. We have not entered yet, and besides, there are many ways to protect the domestic producer. Do not panic ahead of time.

      8.
      Quote: Hamul
      It’s interesting why in our country not a single product is getting cheaper as in the West in spite of global changes in world prices

      And what is getting cheaper? Or maybe deflation is to blame?
      9. You see, even in objectively good news, improvement in demography, you continue to see only the bad. This is a state of mind called despondency, mortal sin (leads to the eternal death of the soul) by the way.
      10 And what about the military-industrial complex, then we will not? Russia again took second place in the world in the sale of weapons (who would have thought in the 90s) The rearmament of the army and navy is underway, new radars are being put into operation (it’s hard and with a scratch, because in 90 years the military-industrial complex was almost completely destroyed).

      Thus, we can consider other sectors of the economy and, indeed, improvement on the face.

      Here's an example: http://vz.ru/economy/2012/1/17/554014.html
      И вот еще http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search=%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D
      0% B8% D0% BA% D0% B0 especially about import substitution is interesting.
      1. +6
        17 March 2012 15: 10
        Konstantin, a great and very competent comment. All nagging has one source - the work of financial analysts provides for the study of all scenarios, including negative, these possible negative scenarios are especially fond of bringing out to light and playing the games of the Masahists. Read these scenarios a decade ago and correlate with real events that have occurred over this period.

        Oh, her ... They will stop feeding me and I will die of hunger. Go to work.
        1. admiral
          0
          17 March 2012 15: 36
          Mostly agree, but not with inflation! It is useless to argue with Rosstat; the organization works for the government. 20% inflation is calculated very simply; doubling prices every 4 years - this is it 20% inflation! Compare prices four years ago, then eight years ... and you can make a bold forecast - in 4 years, in 2016 the price of the product (you choose it yourself) will double!
          1. CC-18a
            0
            17 March 2012 22: 44
            Rosstat does not work for the government. Her data is objective. A lot of people work there, statistics are numbers and only facts, don’t like them, don’t believe them, but to say that they lie it must be either an arrogant liar or conduct your analysis on 100 products at least for 2-4 years. Do you have checks for 100 items in the last 2-4 years? no? then there is nothing to blame Rosstat.
            Personally, I checked selectively the Rosstat data or found any deviations.

            I repeat the statistics can’t work for someone, you can draw your slippery conclusions on statistics but nothing more.

            In addition, there are statistics from other countries, cargo stat, etc. Do you think then they will not be completely subordinate to their state-woo? I looked at the statistics; the load of the stats; there is nothing good everywhere; decline and negativity; why is the teddy bear so profane does not take control of the statistics ..
            In general, statistics are a planning tool, and in order to plan correctly the tool must be clean so that the state itself is interested in a particular data statistic.
        2. zlibeni
          -5
          18 March 2012 10: 24
          oh well, nobody will starve for the most part most of them. they just won’t. But if everyone dies they will steer?))))))))))))))))))
      2. st.moss
        +1
        17 March 2012 17: 17
        no no, and you’ll read a normal koment. Really, whiners got it.
      3. -7
        18 March 2012 00: 13
        Quote: kos
        Over the past seven months, Russia has 400 new production
        Production is too broad a concept to be evaluated with just one figure.
        And the real incomes of the population were so reduced that all yards and roads were clogged with cars (far from old and cheap), about 10 million of our compatriots went to 2011 abroad to rest, I already wrote about cinemas.
        -Machines have become more affordable, however: the quality of domestic leaves much to be desired; a car can be taken on credit; public transport has become expensive.
        -10mln, this is the total departure of citizens (from business to trips to the resort)
        cinemas and other institutions have become less accessible.
        There is such a thing as a consumer basket
        Как hanging out Rosstat believes, we know:
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        Quote: kos
        Examples, give dynamics.
        It was ridiculous (and sinful) in the same month: they promised not to raise it, and here the tax increased from 14% to 34%, though then brave Medvedev bravely reduced it to 28%
        Quote: kos
        And how many parasites we still have, why no one remembers them?
        Because the official is in the civil service and lives off of our taxes and has a pretty decent social package and salary.
        And "all sorts" exist because "some" have a lot of money (or few brains).
        Quote: kos
        Do not panic ahead of time.
        Panic when it's late? Great tip wassat especially if we are not protected from Chinese products, which will surely flood the even larger river.
        1. lokdok
          +2
          19 March 2012 13: 07
          As a hangout believes Rosstat, we know

          This argument is the argument, the argument is over, if you know everything.
          -Machines have become more affordable, however: the quality of domestic leaves much to be desired; a car can be taken on credit; public transport has become expensive.
          -10mln, this is the total departure of citizens (from business to trips to the resort)
          cinemas and other institutions have become less accessible.

          And what do you like about the quality of the polo, Sandero is not like? And if you have less money and you’ll go on a grant, I’ve been traveling for seven years and I’ve survived.
          10 million. This is a decent amount compared to previous years.
          If movie theaters have become less accessible, then why have they become more visited?
  4. GRU Special Forces
    +3
    17 March 2012 09: 35
    That all has already gone paravoz China now the main consumer of fuels and lubricants for yus will not succeed cheaper oil will start to buy all the oil in the proc create their own reserves while yus will lobby for their interests the amount of oil that could satisfy the whole world with its huge army of cars and prices will now only increase. but if Russia and Ukraine hold the grain for a couple of years in the bins, then the monkeys will start to give the oil tanker from hunger for a ton of grain because it is not edible and you can’t grow wheat in the desert
    1. zlibeni
      -5
      17 March 2012 11: 11
      Yes, the news turns out to be Russia and Ukraine the largest grain exporters))))))))))))))))))))))))))) China's deficit will grow so do not build illusions.
    2. valera130771
      -1
      18 March 2012 11: 45
      dear readers! You just listen to yourself. What are you rushing about. Because you have very expensive oil and gas. Well. So what? the Saudis and Iraq and Libya and the UAE also have. but from this they do not become great nations to which you ascribe yourself. what else can you offer the world? and you still force Ukraine to join TS and EvraZes. for what purpose? that we forgot there. have access to cheap hydrocarbons?. and then what?. the economy will remain unreformed. The rule of law can only be watched on television on foreign channels. controlled sales courts? no really. better expensive gas and oil so far away from you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. lokdok
        +1
        19 March 2012 13: 11
        in Saudi and Iraq and Libya and the UAE
        - you must not only have, but also be able to protect what you have, then you will be a great nation. And for your information, on most items we have the best weapon in the world. -)
        what we forgot there. have access to cheap hydrocarbons?. and then what?

        We are not interested in what you forgot in the TS, we just need a market for our goods and assembly plants. What immediately did not get there?
      2. Don
        0
        20 March 2012 17: 20
        Quote: valera130771
        and you still force Ukraine to join TS and EvraZes. for what purpose?. what we forgot there.

        We forgot there duty-free trade with our main economic partners and significant economic profits for our many factories, primarily machine-building, as well as for agricultural enterprises. products and food industry.
        Quote: valera130771
        have access to cheap hydrocarbons?

        And this is another factor in our energy-intensive heavy industry.
        Quote: valera130771
        What else can you offer the world?

        In your RF, in addition to oil and gas, nothing can offer the world? If you think so, then carefully study the economy of the Russian Federation and you will realize that you are mistaken.
        Quote: valera130771
        the economy will remain unreformed

        What do you mean, an unreformed economy? What is it like? If you mean modernization, both in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine it is underway, not as fast as we would like, but it is underway.
        Quote: valera130771
        the rule of law can only be watched on television on foreign channels. controlled sales courts?

        And what does this have to do with it? How does jurisprudence relate to the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union and the Common Economic Space? Here it depends on us, and not on the Russians, Germans, Chinese, Kazakhs or Belarusians.
        Quote: valera130771
        no. better expensive gas and oil so far away from you

        No, better cheap gas and closer to our main economic partner. Russia is 24% of exports and 28% of imports of Ukraine
  5. Arc76
    -4
    17 March 2012 10: 05
    I agree with the author of the article, but I believe that the only way out for the Russian economy in this situation is not to maintain the ruble exchange rate artificially, but rather to depreciate it two, three times. As a result, the cost of goods produced in Russia will fall and domestic production will become competitive on international market. And then huge domestic demand-import will be expensive and domestic consumers will be forced to focus on goods produced in the domestic market. As an example, I can cite the situation with Yeltsin’s default. For example, in Russia we have domestic television sets Vesta (it seems Komsomolsk on Amur) and are in great demand , and their price was three times less than that of a similar Panasonic, a household example.
    1. wall
      +3
      17 March 2012 10: 24
      everything is not as simple as you think. A considerable proportion of imports is present in the goods of the Russian manufacturer. These are raw materials, technologies, equipment. All this is bought in the West for dollars. In addition, many enterprises are loans in dollars by the throat. If they drop the ruble now, they will have nothing to pay and they will begin to raise selling prices. In addition, competition will decrease if finished imported products disappear from store shelves and this will provide an additional incentive to increase prices. That's it. Another factor is the low exchange rate of the national currency very strongly affects the standard of living of the population.
      1. Arc76
        -2
        17 March 2012 10: 38
        I agree this is a double-edged sword, but there is no other way out. While our products are more expensive than Western ones, we have nothing to do on the world market. Look at a luxury VAZ Prior, a Hyundai Solaris costs 400000, I would take a Hyundai, although this is also our machine. The Chinese government, as you know, even artificially lowers the yuan. And then revenues from hydrocarbon exports will not fall, but roughly even increase. The biggest minus, of course, is a drop in living standards, but I repeat I don’t see another way to boost domestic production.
        1. wall
          +1
          17 March 2012 11: 23
          with cars is a controversial example. The share of imports in Hyundai is much higher than in frets. Do not forget that this is essentially a screwdriver assembly. Accordingly, the price of it will increase in proportion to the number of imported components.
          1. Arc76
            +2
            17 March 2012 11: 37
            So, as it was required to prove, the domestic commodity producer would win (I never thought that I would have to defend the vaz) All the measures that I proposed were far from popular, monetary measures, but where is the other way? A closed economy and the prohibition of free circulation of currency, or to leave things as they are and even depend on such factors as the heating season in the USA By the way, they position themselves on the Hyundai St. Petersburg as a complete production cycle, only the Chinese engine, but I don’t know for sure.
            1. wall
              +3
              17 March 2012 12: 22
              Yes. Vaz in this case is in a better position. But then we return to my first post, where I noted the factor of competition. Hyundai will die - we will all go to the priors of poor quality already for 450-500 thousand and not for 400 as you wrote. Ours will immediately feel the situation. But the economy should not be closed, but competently built into the world. Given the interests of the country, and not as our liberal deformers did.
              1. Arc76
                -2
                17 March 2012 12: 57
                I think that with a significant drop in the ruble exchange rate, production in our country will become so profitable that I do not know how America is, and many European corporations will transfer production to us, and not to China, given our geographical proximity to Europe.
        2. Paratov
          +4
          17 March 2012 11: 33
          Well, I wouldn’t collapse the ruble 2-3 times, but I think it is advisable to lower it by 20-25%!
    2. +3
      17 March 2012 13: 32
      Quote: arc76
      But I believe that the only way out for the Russian economy in this situation is not to artificially support the ruble exchange rate, but rather depreciate it two, three times

      We have an external debt of banks and companies of about 500 billion dollars. Do you have any idea what will happen if you devalue the ruble 2-3 times? fool
      1. Arc76
        -3
        17 March 2012 13: 53
        I imagine that our main income comes from the trade in hydrocarbons, therefore, they will not be reduced from foreign economic activity. Yes, of course there will be many bankruptcies, mainly of credit organizations that use the long money of European banks and give them on the domestic market for very different percentages. And is it really necessary? Consumer loans only accelerate inflation.
        1. -3
          18 March 2012 09: 53
          But what about reducing income from resource exports? The closure of many investment projects in connection with their exit from profitability?
          Closing not only banks engaged in consumer. loans, but also lending enterprises and businesses. The decrease in the money supply at times, the shortage of money and finally the market recession.
          1. Arc76
            -3
            18 March 2012 15: 12
            The banking system, in the presence of a strong arbiter in the person of the central bank, will be sanitized naturally. Investment projects are unlikely to close, since most of them depend on exporting companies that are even profitable by the devaluation of the ruble. The balance of money supply should be maintained by the arbiter in the person of the central bank. By the way, the rehabilitation of the banking system so we need to carry out and something is really done artificially, to which banks respond simply by mergers (for example, Nomos and Khanty-Mansiysk) Of course, we need to devalue gradually and I think that in the second year the production will give a decent growth.
        2. +4
          18 March 2012 12: 50
          Quote: arc76
          I imagine that our main income comes from the trade in hydrocarbons, therefore, they will not be reduced from foreign economic activity.

          I think you can’t quite imagine.

          Quote: arc76
          I imagine our main income comes from the trade in hydrocarbons

          From hydrocarbon trade we have about 50% of revenues

          If the ruble is devalued 3 times, then the external debt of our banks and enterprises will increase 3 times, respectively. It was 500 billion dollars, i.e. 15 trillion rubles, and it will be 45 trillion rubles. Those. our enterprises will sit in a very deep ass. But that is far from all.
          Following the devaluation of the national currency, the stock market will sag very much, i.e. significantly cheaper stocks of our companies.
          Are you aware of the conditions under which loans are issued in Western banks? The guarantee is stocks. For example: you need a loan of 1 billion dollars. the bank agrees to give it, only under conditions of pledge of shares, the market value of which, say 1 billion dollars. So you took and brought down the stock market, and now the value of these shares is not $ 1 billion, but $ 500 million. Then the bank quite rightly demands to add the missing amount, otherwise it simply takes the security for itself, i.e. the enterprise will become the property of some kind of D.P. Morgan. This is how most enterprises simply cease to be Russian.

          It was in this way that they wanted to bend Russia very much in 2008, bringing down the stock market. If Zyuganov was in power, shouting that we do not need the Stabilization Fund, let's build something, then we would not have the money to "add", which means we would simply lose our banks and factories.

          But this is not all the charms.
          70% of the drugs we have are imported, as a result of your reforms, their price will increase 3 times, as in other imports (so we need foreign machines and various equipment). Accordingly, all goods and services, even granny seeds, will rise in price for import. Those. you simply significantly lower the standard of living of our people, the number of people living below the poverty line will increase sharply. The price of a consumer basket will rise markedly.

          But that's not all.
          Quote: arc76
          Yes, of course there will be many bankruptcies, mainly of credit organizations that use long money

          Yes, everything is so simple, you think, "there are many bankruptcies, mainly of credit institutions." In other words, the collapse of the banking system, which means the paralysis of the economy. Our citizens will not only be happy with the new prices in stores and pharmacies, they will be even more enthusiastic about the news that their savings no longer exist, that salaries are delayed or are paid by products and many of them have nowhere else to work.

          But you are right, you really will achieve that the standard of living of Russians will approximately correspond to the standard of living of some Uruguayans, then the cost of labor will be less than in China, only will the Russians be happy?

          Everything that you offer has already been implemented with young reformers in the early 90s, I think everyone remembers.

          I agree that the Central Bank underestimates the real exchange rate of the ruble and this has a positive effect on the competitiveness of our products, but dropping the ruble 2-3 times is suicide.

          There is a good movie: "Priceless Dollar 2": http://rutube.ru/tracks/2302124.html
          I advise you to look.
          1. Arc76
            0
            18 March 2012 14: 59
            I’ll see the film, now I work just in a credit institution. The shares of our organizations are traded besides MMVB and RTS on American markets as well, but I think the rebound will be temporary, since with their cheapening it is natural for speculators on good news to say that they will increase oil and gas production to buy up, and on the news about the depreciation of the ruble, so the exchange is a difficult topic, sometimes I push money back and forth on Forex. What difference does it make if they are Russian or not, is this the market you have a stabilization fund, take a chance. From the point of view of the economy, there was a lot of correct things about young reformers in their ideas, another thing that was carried out without a strong arbiter in the person of the state turned out to be a farce, as a reverse example I can give an example of Chile from the times of Pinochet. And by the way, what do you suggest. If you think that everything will continue to roll like that, then this is unlikely. The price of $ 120 per barrel is eternal. At the moment, our commodity-producing economy is uncompetitive in foreign markets. Than you will fill the budget,. But I don’t pretend to be the ultimate truth, I would like to listen to you. It’s only normal, it’s not done from our site. By the way, I didn’t say that these measures are social, but if you want the economy to grow like a normal country, Brik will have to lower the level life to the level of the rest of the members of this organization, or do we again have our own way?
    3. 0
      17 March 2012 15: 18
      Quote: arc76
      the way out for the Russian economy is just not to artificially support the ruble exchange rate, but rather depreciate it two, three times

      The abandonment of the volute corridor will take place at the end of 2013. But no one expects a sharp depreciation at the same time based on the study of his behavior in the currency corridor.
      1. Arc76
        0
        17 March 2012 15: 43
        I suggest not only abandoning the currency corridor, but, in general, following the example of China, artificially lower the national currency exchange rate. Well, as for the natural rate, I don’t know now the central bank periodically arranges currency interventions, as you know, I think the real exchange rate against the ruble dollar is 33, but this my opinion. The idea initially consists in the fact that a high ruble exchange rate is unprofitable for Russian industry, by actually lowering it you will receive an increase in production, an economic growth.
        1. wall
          +2
          17 March 2012 16: 23
          Dear, stop practicing Gaidar. Have pity on our long-suffering people. And that’s how it is possible to agree that Russia needs only 50 million able-bodied population and the rest to be spent as ineffective losers that do not fit into the market economy. What the liberals actually tried to crank out in the 90s.
          In order for us to raise a country, we don’t need to drop the ruble, it’s enough to start planting corrupt officials entrenched in power and give birth to more children. And we will be happy.
          1. Arc76
            -1
            17 March 2012 16: 41
            These are all slogans, what you said. But the reality is that production in Russia is unprofitable while the average salary of a Chinese worker is $ 200. No one will withdraw his production from us. Gaidar was not a stupid person and his ideas were in many respects correct only in the absence of strong power. As a positive example, I can cite Pinochet's reforms.
            1. 0
              18 March 2012 13: 10
              Quote: arc76
              Nobody will withdraw their production to us

              There are more humane ways to attract foreign manufacturers. For example: our auto industry. They set barrage duties on the import of foreign cars, created a preferential regime on the territory of Russia, and as a result, almost all world concerns created production here. In addition, do not forget that we have a huge undeveloped car market (and not only cars), where else in the world is it growing at 45% per year? But in order to get to us you need to fulfill a number of conditions, and foreigners are happy to fulfill them.
              In 2012, they were all required to produce 300 cars with a localization of at least 000% (60% of the parts will be made with us).

              You forget that the cost of labor directly depends on the standard of living. With a high standard of living, no fool will work for 1000 per month (Europe, the USA, and in China itself this cost is growing, it is not at all the same as in 1973). You propose to kill the welfare of Russians.
              1. Arc76
                -1
                18 March 2012 14: 35
                Regarding the car market, I agree that the domestic market will grow, and the production of cars for Russia such as shelves and Solaris, too. Unfortunately, this is mainly a production for Russia. Yes, following the example of China, if you want to be competitive, you need to take monetary measures, but in another way. In China, in rural areas, people do not even have a pension, they constantly lower the RMB rate, salaries are low, hence high competitiveness. Another way is the creation of high-tech companies whose products are in demand in the international market. Well, I would really like it if we had our Nokia, Apple and Mykrasoft. I can definitely say one thing, because now it will not be long. In 1985, at the request of America, the Saudis brought down the oil market in six months.
  6. grizzlir
    -1
    17 March 2012 10: 46
    I have already spoken about oil. I want one fine day to stop the oil fountain from Russia's oil wells. That's when our state will show what it really is. The government is feeling very well now when the petrodollars are falling from the sky. sitting on an oil needle. While talking about the development of new industries and modernizing the old ones, they sound less and less. Such a policy relaxes, we finally turn into a raw materials appendage. I know that some will disagree, I respect the opinion of Ascetic, who believes that oil is not the main thing a source of income to the treasury of the state. But then tell me this main source and what will happen to our state if the price of oil falls?
    1. Arc76
      +2
      17 March 2012 11: 08
      Well, it will be like in Yeltsin’s times, we’ll start living within our means, but for now we’re kind of like the UAE with our Dubai in Moscow. But with the cessation of hydrocarbon exports, very difficult times will come, we must take the moment to develop a commodity-producing high-tech economy.
    2. Don
      0
      20 March 2012 17: 36
      Quote: grizzlir
      The government feels very well now when petrodollars are falling from the sky. You can calmly sit on an oil needle

      What oil needle? Oil, gas and oil products make up only almost 50% of Russian exports and only 17% of the Russian budget. You do not confuse the budget with export.
      Quote: grizzlir
      With that, the talk about the development of new industries and the modernization of old ones is heard less and less

      Modernization and repairs at the plants are in full swing. In particular, in the field of ferrous metallurgy.
      Quote: grizzlir
      we are finally turning into a raw materials appendage.

      You obviously do not know much about the state of the economy in the Russian Federation.
      Quote: grizzlir
      But then tell me this main source and what will happen to our state if the price of oil falls?

      The main source of budget revenues of the Russian Federation at the moment is 37% of revenues from customs duties, 34% VAT, 17% mineral extraction tax, 9% corporate profit tax.
      If oil falls in price, of course, nothing will be good at the beginning, it is still income. But besides oil, there is gas, ferrous, non-ferrous, precious, rare-earth metals, military-industrial complex producing weapons (second in the world in sales), ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy, which is in the leading positions in production, strong chemical industry, grain, etc.
  7. 755962
    -1
    17 March 2012 10: 55
    The threats are old. But why do they still come up like ..... Reducing the outflow of capital from the country is one thing, but applying it to business is completely different. Why are there so few investments in oil and gas exploration? Why are old deposits being developed and new ones not being discovered? Where are the new refineries? There’s nothing to build on. Laughter through tears. Of course there’s nothing to do if the money goes over the hill. And here we were also glad that gas prices would rise from April. So would the new plants.
  8. Schreiber
    +2
    17 March 2012 11: 37
    The outflow of capital is for the most part a fiction, everything is sorted out here:
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/14343/
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/12759/

    Oil dependence is greatly exaggerated. It matters to us, but not so deadly. And declining year by year. Somewhere in the same place there are statistics.

    New enterprises are being built, moreover, in 7 months more than 400 only large ones.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/15170/

    Some statistics:

    Here is not yet included 2011, a record in all respects. Failure on sx - 2010 - drought.
    A lot of negativity, little justification. The article put a minus. We have problems, but are being solved.
    1. cord
      -6
      17 March 2012 12: 07
      Made with us - a good site, if you do not read the comments of Putininoids and their crazy articles, like this one, from which various fantastic things are found out, such as the one that Russia has a non-resource-based economy, that the outflow of capital is the machinations of agents of the State Department and in general, it’s surprising that the place superpowers occupies some USA instead of highly effective Russia! As life shows, all these articles are a bunch in a puddle and are intended for the same traveled.
      1. Schreiber
        +3
        17 March 2012 12: 26
        Yes, here, I found:
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/
        The export of raw materials is 20% of our GDP and its share is declining. Even if the price of oil drops to zero (which is unrealistic), we will survive.
        Kord, you're right, doneunas - a good site with comments from professionals.

        Yes, here, I found:
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/
        The export of raw materials is 20% of our GDP and its share is declining. Even if the price of oil drops to zero (which is unrealistic), we will survive.
        Kord, you're right, doneunas - a good site with comments from professionals.
        1. Schreiber
          0
          17 March 2012 12: 53
          Here's more about oil addiction:
          http://stockinfocus.ru/2010/06/30/zavisimost-rossii-ot-nefti
          We are on the whole at a modest 20+ place in the world in oil export per capita. Not so great is our dependence.
          1. Volkhov
            0
            17 March 2012 13: 14
            Oil revenues make it possible to receive most of the taxes and contain millions of officials and police officers — it is about the state, not people.
            The peasant will survive on the potatoes, and the riot police - no, especially the Caucasian security forces.
            1. Arc76
              -3
              17 March 2012 13: 23
              It was said well about the Caucasus, but why should the peasant again survive, why should he not just live normally.
        2. Arc76
          -3
          17 March 2012 13: 11
          According to RBC Daily, this is not done here, the official business newspaper for the community of professional economists and investors, the budget revenues of the Russian Federation in 2010 amounted to 8,3 trillion. rubles, of which revenues from hydrocarbon exports 4,1 trillion. rubles. Disbelieve agitation.
          1. Schreiber
            +2
            17 March 2012 14: 41
            Budget and GDP are different things. Our income is low with low wages, in contrast to the West, where wages are large and tax is high. A significant percentage is obtained from oil and gas. Oil prices will fall, social programs will be cut. Bad of course. But again, it will not fall to zero. And agitation for me is more likely, for example: "Theft of funds has reached such proportions in our country." What is the scale? How much was and is now? And in other countries? This is agitation, without sources and justification. We haven't had a single theft on the street in recent years. I can write an article "Theft is over in Russia." In the west, they steal no less than ours, and about "investors who are afraid of Russia" is also interesting, in our Kaluga floor of the world car industry has already settled.
            1. Arc76
              -1
              17 March 2012 14: 59
              You mean the production of Volkswagen and Renault, but it is purely for the domestic market. And the site is made really agitational with us, it is impossible to take seriously the statement that the share of hydrocarbons in the export of the Russian Federation is 25-30%. Operate with data from serious sources, for example, rbc or tikr indicators, and not this billiard, if you do not want to remain in blissful ignorance, go to rbk. And as for the theft, I can say that it is not everyday theft that is scary, but lobbyism, when the politicians who are affiliated with government officials do everything kind of economic activity at unrealistically inflated prices. For example, the question to you is why the price of the roadbed in Finland is two times lower than that in the Len region, and its quality is worse, the regions are neighboring. The answer is because the structure close to the governor’s son is engaged in the production of pavement. That's the same everywhere in the field, of course, nobody steals directly, of course, there is simply a disbursement of funds.
              1. Schreiber
                +1
                17 March 2012 15: 33
                The share in GDP and in exports of the Russian Federation are different things. Nobody writes that on doneunas. The share of oil and gas in exports is two-thirds, as I remember. I wrote only about the GDP. Different things again. Why campaigning? They wrote, for example, about the construction of the Cherepetskaya GRES, I saw it myself, they are really building it. Not cheating. About theft - I can judge from everyday life, so I don't write articles, if the author writes, let him justify. Otherwise it’s agitation, but I’m not a donkey to feed me anything. On the basis of the same "agitation" is based on figures and sources, you can agree or not, but there is something to talk about. I don’t know about the road, maybe Finland didn’t have what we had in the 90s, as a result there is no “legacy”, including in terms of corruption. Nevertheless, they steal everywhere. We have more for now, I agree. Destroyed for 10 years, to restore anything more. And even more so to eradicate corruption. Obviously, the situation is changing, just as it is obvious that it will take time.
                In general, depending on oil, it is worth saying that this dependence was nevertheless imposed on us in the 90s by a bunch of traitors through the Central Bank and pegging to the dollar. The problem is the inability to print rubles without dollars. The profit from the sale of oil is not so much even important as the influx of dollars. This and the whole economy are very slow. According to this scheme, we cannot develop without export. Let's hope the government succeeds in nationalizing the Central Bank. Preparation seems to be going on. Then everyone can be sent and not depend on oil.
                1. Arc76
                  -2
                  17 March 2012 16: 16
                  Well, excuse me for the oil needle, the USSR settled back in Brezhnev’s time, but now it’s just repeating itself. And what currency do you want to attach to if all calculations from oil exports all over the world are tied to futures on US exchanges. And of course, not a single one can do without export economics, the question is what kind of export. If you export a piece of silicon (roughly speaking of course) that the processor moans in computers all over the world, then this is one thing, and your potential competitor forms an irreplaceable natural resource for the price, this is completely different. Well, in conclusion, the United States is still not getting anywhere from the peg to the dollar, the largest economy in the world being the main consumer of energy resources. Well, except that Truste is forced to trade for rubles, but you understand it yourself ....
          2. 0
            17 March 2012 15: 50
            Russia in 2011 again became the world leader in the export of hydrocarbons. According to the results of the year, 242 million tons of oil and 204 billion cubic meters were sent to neighboring countries. m of gas, as well as 125 million tons of oil products. State revenues from this type of export amounted to almost 322 billion dollars, an increase of more than a third compared to 2010. In the future, Russia expects only to increase these indicators. Recent events in the world have once again confirmed: there is hardly any alternative to Russian oil and gas in the near future.
            And although, according to the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation in 2011, oil exports from Russia in 2011 slightly decreased (by 1,3%) and amounted to 241,8 million tons, based on the fact that 511 million tons were produced over the past year, we can conclude that almost half of all oil produced was exported from the country. According to the latest data from the Federal Customs Service, Russian budget revenues from oil exports for 2011 increased by 33% to $ 171,7 billion. Another $ 91,31 billion was brought by the export of petroleum products, of which 124,9 million tons were exported.
            Russian gas exports, as planned, also increased significantly. This process was mainly influenced by some economic recovery in European countries and a cold winter. In January-December 2011 203 billion 936,2 million cubic meters were exported from the Russian Federation. m, which is 11% more than a year earlier with production of 670 billion cubic meters. m. According to data published this week, Russia's revenues from the export of "blue fuel" increased by 34,3% - up to 58,473 billion dollars.
            According to forecasts of the Ministry of Energy, in 2012. It will remain at the 2011 level. or even grow a little and will be about 250 million tons. Gas exports to Europe, according to Gazprom, should increase to 154 billion cubic meters. m with 150 billion cubic meters m in 2011

            Significant volumes of supply to foreign countries should be achieved in the longer term. In particular, in accordance with the gas industry development plan until 2030. Russia will increase gas production by 1,5 times - up to 1 trillion cubic meters. m per year, and exports should increase to 455-520 billion cubic meters. m per year. At the same time, oil production until 2020, within the framework of an appropriate development strategy for the oil industry, although it will stabilize at the level of 505-510 million tons, will allow increasing exports up to 270 million tons mainly due to increasing the depth of oil refining in the domestic market.

            As previously reported by the Minister of Natural Resources of the Russian Federation Yuri Trutnev, while maintaining the declared rates of production of hydrocarbon reserves, humanity in general and Russia in particular will not have enough of these reserves for so long. "For now, the world has both oil and gas, but these reserves will be enough for no more than 100-150 years, and only then they will have to seriously think about alternative energy sources," the minister said.


            And the numbers do not dance (much more than you quote) and there is no reason for despondency. And only the lazy does not speak about the need to get off the oil needle now in power. And the main thing is done, but at the expense of "petrodollars".
            1. Arc76
              -6
              17 March 2012 16: 04
              I remind you that I spoke of using the prevailing energy price conjuncture to artificially lower the ruble exchange rate to revive the economy, and the reason for gloom is that the dependence on hydrocarbon exports and their prices is growing, despite the fact that that the lazy one says. And please tell me what they’re doing. With what goods is Russia even going to enter the world markets. At the current cost of Russian goods, they are simply uncompetitive compared to Chinese ones.
              1. +1
                17 March 2012 17: 24
                Quote: arc76
                And the reason for despondency is that it’s just that the dependence on hydrocarbon exports and their prices is growing, despite the fact that the lazy one says. And please tell me what they’re doing. With what goods is Russia even going to go global markets

                Refuse demagoguery and everything will be clear.
                What is being done? At least go through the materials of this site on the development of the military-industrial complex. And in general, study the question. You already on this forum and examples and links, but all is not for the future.
                1. Arc76
                  -5
                  17 March 2012 20: 08
                  Links to the site made in Russia do not suit me, this is propaganda, use reputable sources, I don’t give you figures from the website of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (everything is bad there, as well as everything is done in Russia). You are engaged in demagogy since from year to year the share of Russian budget revenues from hydrocarbon exports is growing steadily and this is a fact. And question number two is what are you going to fill the budget in case of falling prices for hydrocarbons. What goods from Russia are in demand and what is the share in the RF budget revenues from their exports. From your links, I did not find more than one high-tech company whose products occupy a decent segment in the world market. Well, for example, here, as it was mentioned, Russian Helicopters, revenue for 2009 amounted to 270,97 million rubles sparingly, and this is the flagship of our economy, ipo failed, well what it is, is a mid-level Western company. So dear one, I advise you to study the question, well, or to remain blissfully unseen by us.
  9. Aleksey67
    +4
    17 March 2012 15: 11
    Dear forum users! Recently, unprecedented events have taken place, referring to a discussion in one of the topics, they begin to censor one-sidedly. Moreover, the farther, the more newly-born "censors" come to taste, the truth is also evident, "Appetite comes with eating." I myself have a negative attitude to obscene language (sometimes I use it in my life, but I try not to abuse it), but what is happening now can not be called lawlessness.
    We can be called "goyim", we can not write the word "zh ... d"
    The word "pen dos" is prohibited, other literary words are prohibited.
    Correspondence with Tronin ( tronin.maxim ) horrified, it turns out that the person issuing "warnings" considers himself entitled to be considered "offended and offended" for the word "crap" in relation to fascist Latvia


    I THINK POSSIBLE TO MAKE A DISCUSSION, BUT SOME OF THE "CROWN PRESSES" am
    1. CC-18a
      0
      17 March 2012 22: 51
      This site is attacked by pin dos trolls. All clearly on the training manual.
      First they introduce their own in moderation
      Then they launch bots and trolls, it’s 10 people, but for each from 20 to 100 accounts and start a troll attack, all who will resist it will be banned about pin dos moderators.

      the circuit has been known for a long time and on it pin dos have long been working.
  10. 0
    17 March 2012 15: 42
    An old article on an old topic, the economy has changed and high fuel prices are about to bite us. The role of oil industry workers is overestimated many times over, they withdraw profits and "optimize" taxes, so that everything is not a lot in the budget (try to sell them something, they will not buy it 15-20 times more expensive and not from you wink, they do not participate in the economy and with their income and influence they cannot be punished), which is why excise taxes on gasoline and levies from indirect taxes from the population. We have nothing from oil, and its fall is good for us, it will weaken those who milk our resources, and by heating up the "understanding" of the good of high oil prices, a narrow circle of people will ensure that there are no protests from the population. Cheap energy and moderate protectionism will allow us to accelerate the modernization of the economy, ideally, free export of resources for $ should be curtailed altogether, only for rubles, and who doesn’t need it, well, it’s not necessary.
  11. malera
    -5
    17 March 2012 16: 51
    Quote: domokl
    I allow myself to ask Alexei, how is it possible that the economy integrated into the world, with a decline in general activity, grow?

    Yes, you can grow if you do business and not talk in the language like they do in the Kremlin.
    The economy of China in 2011 grew by 9,2 percent, in India - by 7,4 percent. In Brazil, the economy grew by 2,9 percent year-on-year.


    Quote: kos
    Damn, I didn’t want to answer another nagging, but I just can’t hold back. 1. Quote: HamulOperating factories and enterprises besides the processing industry are few ... These same enterprises and factories are becoming more and more: Over the past seven months, 400 new manufactures have appeared in Russia (there is also a nameplate there)


    Yes, only what is produced most often does not meet international standards. For example: "The Russian power engineering industry, the support of which the government talked a lot in 2011, let the customers down. Gazprom energoholding refuses the only
    a domestic high-capacity gas turbine produced by NPO Saturn. The turbine installed at Ryazan State District Power Plant will be dismantled and replaced with an imported one. "Http://kommersant.ru/doc/1888836/print

    Quote: kos
    Quote: Hamul The bureaucracy only grows - and who should feed it? - taxes of ordinary workaholic. You do not need to smear everyone with one paint, or do you propose to completely abandon officials as such?

    The answer is not substantive. Even the Kremlin agrees that there are a huge number of officials.
    “Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said that as a result of the redistribution of powers between the center and the regions, the number of federal bodies and federal employees should be reduced. According to the president,“ we have a huge number of federal employees and a huge number of structures that are looking for work. ”But their presence "does not mean they need to be dispersed," he said. " http://actualcomment.ru/news/31752/

    The trouble of Russia in its Putin elite, more precisely in its impunity.
    1. The political component.
    The reform of the State Duma elections failed. Remember how the threshold of passage was raised from 5% to 7%. In the Duma, nothing was discussed or the quality of laws sharply decreased. And the number of corrections is in the tens. Forced to return back to 7%.
    The election of governors. Back the same shy.
    And who will be responsible for these errors ??
    2. The economic component. There is no intelligible program. What taxes will be admissible in two years. How much will the deficit of the pension fund in 3 years. What will be the costs of the state apparatus in 5 years. Where are the numbers ??? One blah blah blah. Or they will promise what will happen in 2018, when Putin's term of office has expired.
    Who is responsible for blah blah blah ??
  12. malera
    -3
    17 March 2012 18: 27
    Quote: Schreiber
    The export of raw materials is 20% of our GDP and its share is declining. Even if the oil price drops to zero (which is unrealistic), we will survive. Kord, you are right, done is a good site with comments by professionals. Yes, I found it: http: //sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/ Export of raw materials - 20% of our GDP and its share is declining. Even if the oil price drops to zero (which is unrealistic), we will survive. Kord, you are right, done us - a good site with comments by professionals.

    Read at least the official press: Russian newspaper.
    http://www.rg.ru/2011/11/08/strategiya.html
    What you read (http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/ fantasy, not based on anything). According to the Institute for the Problems of Natural Monopolies, 40% of Russia's GDP is generated from the export of raw materials. Engineering, electronics and other high-tech industries account for 7-8% of domestic GDP. Exports of high-tech products account for only 2,3% of Russia's industrial exports. For comparison: in the USA this figure is 32,9%, in China - 32,8%. The share of Russia in the global export of high-tech products does not exceed 0,3%. The domestic machine tool industry accounts for no more than 1% of the machines purchased by Russian business.
    1. Arc76
      -2
      17 March 2012 20: 14
      Yes, here they all love it made in Russia more than their mother. I here and at Rosbisneskansalting advised them to go, it would seem that there is even more, a highly professional website for economists, no politics whatsoever, and they again link me to this in Russia or top vera. It is useless to argue, wanting to remain in the illusions of proving something is useless.
    2. CC-18a
      -1
      17 March 2012 23: 12
      malera,
      The Russian newspaper is not the official press, it is written by anyone who cares for what, why the only thing is that according to the law, Official Russian News is published in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, along with custom pin dos articles.

      What you read (http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/10089/ fantasy, not based on anything).

      What you consider is not based on anything, moreover, it’s just

      According to the Institute for the Problems of Natural Monopolies

      And according to astrophysical science anti-monopoly competition oligapolies ....
      According to the data of all respected and intelligent people, your nonsense only draws on fat trolling.

      Russia's GDP is created by exporting raw materials

      Only a complete one could say this, and a stupid person could current (what you did) a current.
      Smart people know that there is no complete zero or 100%. Well this is for starters. In addition, declare that all of the GDP due to raw materials is worth !!! Why don’t we even make matches? all all all work the whole country to pump oil and send abroad? it seems not ... in general your absurd troll text is very rotten.

      Export of high-tech products is only 2,3% from industrial exports Russia.

      For comparison: in the USA this figure is 32,9%, in China - 32,8%.

      Why do you take high-tech data from industrial exports for the Russian Federation, and compare the US data for all industrial exports from all exports.
      A jumble of facts, ah yay is not beautiful!

      Although the export of high-tech production from the Russian Federation is no more than that of the United States, this does not mean anything. This sphere is completely politicized! high-tech from the usa buy only under pressure from the us government!
      Although the growth rate of high-tech industries in the Russian Federation is 10-20 times higher than the rate in the United States. All thanks to your lackeys of the Yeltsin period who have torn apart the knowledge-intensive industry that is being restored under Putin.
      And yet ... the latest airbus and Boeing for 10-20% consists of high-tech industries of the Russian Federation, and 10-20% of the intellectual work of Russians

      The domestic machine tool industry accounts for no more than 1% of the machines purchased by Russian business.

      This is data from the 90s. Well, maybe even before 2006, when Putin was tasked with updating the country's production capacities and for which funds were allocated from the budget to more than 300 factories in the form of a non-repayable loan and about 1500 plants in the form of a non-repayable interest-free loan and about 10000 enterprises and firms in the form of loans with% and return.
      Now, thanks to the infusion of the state, our machine tool industry is being revived, if in 2000-2006 we were forced to buy leasing with the EU, due to the fact that machine tool building was destroyed in the 90s, then in 2011 from 30 to 50% of the purchased machine tools came from Russian manufacturers . The growth from 2000 to 2011 in machine tool industry is calculated not many times, but ten times!
      1. Arc76
        -1
        18 March 2012 02: 51
        According to estimates of machine tool import, the volume of the machine tool market in Russia is 1-1,5 billion. dollars and the share of domestic is 1% -information 2009. Newspaper Rosbusinesskonsulting.
      2. CC-18a
        +1
        18 March 2012 04: 19
        about how they write boiling water pin dos trolls when I write that Russia is not such a two-country country as they speak of it. Already all the messages that I wrote to all the minuses put were not too lazy to look for even))))) Trolls are awesome, you were immoral freaks so they will remain FOREVER!
        Russia will win)
  13. -1
    17 March 2012 18: 55
    According to the article ... With a share of 20%, it is difficult to imagine a catastrophe with a fall in oil prices, again from the article the scale of theft exceeds the losses from the predicted decrease in oil prices ... It looks like the government is preparing for this, they finally took offshore ... And about the economy ... Well, only one figure in Russia in the 2012 year is planning to sell 2 000 000 imported cars .... No words ....
  14. +4
    17 March 2012 21: 08
    The article is interesting. History shows that you must first saturate your own market, and then advance in export.
    It follows that the inflow of capital expressed in the currency of the importers should be slightly larger or equal to the outflow of such a currency. Otherwise, the country the currency issuer has the opportunity to directly throw the exporter by defaulting, or devaluing issuing more and more of its own currency, or even abandoning the existing currency, replacing it with another.
    It is necessary to saturate the economy with the means of production and technology as soon as possible. This can be achieved. And gold reserves must be expressed in real form (gold, nickel cadmium, rhenium, indium, etc., or territory or technology).
    1. Arc76
      -3
      17 March 2012 22: 46
      Five points.
    2. Schreiber
      +6
      17 March 2012 23: 40
      And at the same time, you need to rearm at a furious pace, pull out the social sphere and demography and solve the bonus million problems, crawling out of the full train. And all this at the same time. But there is no comrade Stalin and is somehow scary. The trouble is that nobody wants to give money for re-equipment and technology other than in exchange for resources. It’s good to at least manage to bargain more expensive. Gold reserves in real terms also need to be accumulated. All this is happening now, clearly and secretly, gold is being bought, treasuries are being sold. The real sector is recovering gradually. If it were so written in the article, I would put a plus. And so it turned out the next “all-gone-despite-in-spite of-oil-theft-economy-loses-even-gloss-run-to-state
      s ».

      The price of oil will drop - social programs, the rate of rearmament, and something else will decrease. Cheaper gasoline, production, goods. Fall to zero - there will be something else, I don’t know. Maybe the Central Bank, under the roar of the fall, will be taken up and begin to print rubles themselves.
      While there is a high price, we use and accelerate the climb out of the train. This was done to us, to show that "was not lost." The real sector is growing, fast-slow, and this is important. Well, right after “l
      you wouldn’t have a war ”, this is more important.
  15. +3
    17 March 2012 23: 18
    I do not share optimism about our economy, because We are trying to integrate into the system that is not under our control. In this system of Russia, the role of a supplier of natural resources and a consumer of goods is assigned. Joining the WTO will only consolidate this situation.
    Quote: AK-74-1
    It is necessary to saturate the economy with the means of production and technology as soon as possible. This can be achieved. And gold reserves must be expressed in real form (gold, nickel cadmium, rhenium, indium, etc., or territory or technology).
    I agree. There is only one way to achieve it - to redirect petrodollars to the real sector, take protectionist measures to protect domestic enterprises, curb the appetites of natural monopolies in the domestic market, and block the export of capital. It is impossible to do this without the nationalization of strategic industries.
    1. Schreiber
      +3
      18 March 2012 00: 16
      Karabin,
      It is correct, but do not forget that the struggle for power is still over. There are a lot of “non-our” comrades at the top, but in the 90s we lost sovereignty and have not yet been restored. These comrades are very opposed to the restoration of Russia and very much for turning it into a colony. The western lobby has power, but the fleet is talking to the army there so far stronger than ours. No matter how much the GDP is good for the country, not all the right decisions are still available to us, unfortunately. We are accumulating strength, recovering, getting ready. Let's hope the WTO is still not pushed through.
  16. +2
    17 March 2012 23: 51
    Profits from agriculture in Russia can easily exceed the profits earned from oil. For this, the government needs to focus on agriculture for 2-3 years (loans at a very low interest rate, ending useless imports like "bush legs"). Agriculture, in turn, will pull up light industry.
  17. +1
    18 March 2012 01: 26
    Quote: kos
    And how many parasites we still have, why no one remembers them?
    All sorts of: designers, clip makers, swindlers, traders, makeup artists and a huge amount of office plankton (yes half of Moscow). What do they really produce?

    The only difference is that these designers are paid by the owner of the business and it's his own business, whether to keep these "parasites" or not. But we pay bureaucrats out of our own pockets. In my opinion there is a difference.
    I was confused by the "development strategy until 2020". Do you even know that going to abolish export duties, but increase the severance tax ??? !!!
    Those. the cost will increase, which means we will pay this mineral extraction tax by purchasing gas at an increased price. Wherein, since there are no duties, dudes abroad will receive exactly the same price for crude oil as we are !!!! Whose grandfathers did not develop this land so that the foreign countries would have equal privileges with us from the resources obtained !!!
    Here it is - natural robbery is quietly glancing, but what else can I call it? What kind of wise guy is this, damn it, castling of duties on the mineral extraction tax has come? Are these not outright pests?
    Another point: they are going to increase the pension age, gradually, from 63 years. Type Pension Fund subsidized from the budget! And what of that? I don’t get the money or oil revenues from the Fund’s drum? Because some regular philosopher-economist there separated the articles of income and the cost code, did something change? This is how I tell my wife, they say this loot is not from the salary, but from my coven, so there is no money for a fur coat! What will she tell me ?! These economists have forgotten that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms. Or is it they who are holding us this way ???
    In short, read this, damn it, Strategy, you will precipitate.
    I don't know how, guys, but we have to fight this. Who comes up with such "laws" and remains in the shadows? At least learn the names, so that they can be persuaded at every corner! Or to hang posters on the wall of the house at least so that everyone knows the "names of the heroes"
    1. -2
      18 March 2012 10: 04
      I was confused by the "development strategy until 2020". Do you even know that they are going to abolish export duties, but increase the severance tax ??? !!!
      Those. the cost will increase, which means we will pay this mineral extraction tax by purchasing gas at an increased price. At the same time, since there are no duties, dudes abroad will receive exactly the same price for crude oil as we are !!!! Whose grandfathers did not develop this land so that the foreign countries would have equal privileges with us from the resources obtained !!!

      And so we do not pay the income of the TNC sector, which mainly earns on the domestic consumer. Since they receive minimal profit due to export duties.
      One does not work out here due to transit costs.
      1. zlibeni
        0
        18 March 2012 10: 37
        if you want, I’ll tell you how it will be. as long as they buy oil and will buy production capacities and at your expense develop their economies. that is, develop industry. at this time, due to this, they will develop technologies and by the time the pipe runs out they will have more advanced technologies, and this production base, which will now be purchased by that time, will be outdated and, accordingly, the product will again be uncompetitive. It is clear that there will still be oil export, but it will be crumbs and something significant will not be enough. Well, and foreign products as they will be more advanced Naturally, the user will prefer a more advanced product and money again for them to develop. Such a circle is obtained.
      2. Arc76
        -1
        18 March 2012 12: 22
        But what about gas crises when oil producers are reluctant to sell on the domestic market and are forced to do so by law.
    2. Arc76
      -1
      18 March 2012 12: 18
      The calculation of NPI is quite complicated. As far as I know, even factors such as profitability of production from a taxable field, oil price conjuncture for several years are taken into account there. By the way, the lower the price on world markets, the more it falls, but not in proportion. When hypothetically dropped to $ 15 per barrel, it oddly enough becomes negative at all. So the mineral extraction tax can and should be reviewed. And as for the retirement age, I agree with the government, there are fewer and fewer workers, a global trend. Look at France (by the way, there are real unions and workers who really fight for own rights)
  18. Dmitry.V
    0
    18 March 2012 11: 56
    Obviously, despite the huge amount of petrodollars, it is clear that the lion's share goes to the owners, more precisely to those who extract it.
  19. malera
    -1
    18 March 2012 17: 09
    CC-18a,
    1.
    Quote: CC-18a
    Russian newspaper is not the official press

    "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" is a social and political publication founded by the Government of the Russian Federation.
    2.
    Quote: Dmitry.V
    What you consider is not based on anything, moreover, it’s just

    And I didn’t especially invite you as friends to switch to you.
    3.
    Quote: CC-18a
    Russia's GDP is created by exporting raw materials

    Read carefully:
    "40% of Russia's GDP is created through the export of raw materials"
    4.
    Quote: CC-18a
    Why do you take high-tech data from industrial exports for the Russian Federation, and compare the US data for all industrial exports from all exports.

    Data from the Institute for the Problems of Natural Monopolies.
    4.
    Quote: CC-18a
    Although the export of high-tech production from the Russian Federation is no more than that of the United States, this does not mean anything. This sphere is completely politicized! high-tech from the usa buy only under pressure from the us government!

    Yeah, I see that Windows, Apple pad and Boeing citizens of all countries use aircraft carriers at gunpoint. and as soon as the Americans turn away, everyone immediately changes to Lada from the Fords.
    5.
    Quote: CC-18a
    In 2011, from 30 to 50% of purchased machines accounted for by Russian manufacturers. The growth from 2000 to 2011 in machine tool industry is calculated not many times, but ten times!

    Give sources
  20. AlexMH
    0
    18 March 2012 20: 04
    Briefly describe the situation, then our economy is like a drug addict. At first (at the beginning of the 2000s), the oil needle gave a high, then it turned out that without it we were brittle, and now everything is bad with expensive oil, but at a little price (not up to 16 bucks a barrel, like sometime) will fall, here we are and the Arctic fox. Actually, this is the best (in the sense of a sad) assessment of Putinomics. I only hope that after going through breaking, we will not bend completely, but people are sorry. The oligarchs took the money out (see the article), they will not get hungry, and we, if anything, will have a very bad time.
  21. 0
    18 March 2012 23: 18
    Iraq, Libya, now Iran - these are all countries with large oil reserves - it’s not in vain that the West is hiding there ... They need to fill themselves another 30-40 years with an oil capsule ... And for this they will print green wrappers and give them away to savages all over the world ... But once this pyramid of pyramids must collapse ...
    1. +1
      18 March 2012 23: 47
      Yes, the whole world no longer wants to trade for the greens, but so far there is no alternative and they don’t know how to manage, the states have 16 trillion of debt. What if tomorrow they abandon the greens, and for what the US will buy oil? So they are trying as much as possible for themselves to gather oil-bearing areas. In general, the division began, the true face of a democratic civilized world.