Russian propaganda in Germany: it is not for the Germans

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“The Decline of the West”, “the case of Liza”, “occupied Germany”, “puppet Merkel” - all these are traces of “Russian propaganda” that were registered among the Germans who share sympathies with the alternative parties.

Russian propaganda in Germany: it is not for the Germans

Video frame: "Die Welt"




Nikolai Klimenyuk (Nikolai Klimeniouk) in the German newspaper «Die Welt» spoke about the so-called German minority, which does not want to be a minority. Author 47 years old, he was born in Sevastopol, worked as the editor of the magazine "Forbes Russia", and since 2014, he lives in Berlin.

After the scandal with the girl Lisa and in anticipation of the election, the Russians were again in the spotlight in Germany. Most of them have such increased attention, “of course they don’t like it,” the author writes, because “as a rule, increased attention is connected with prejudice,” where discrimination, mistrust, and xenophobia come from. The roots of all this are known: in the 1990s, more than two million ethnic Germans returned from the republics of the former Soviet Union to the Federal Republic of Germany, they were considered "uneducated, criminal, difficult to integrate people", whose support would become "a burden that will lie on the social system." In principle, this is "the usual attitude towards all immigrants from poorer countries." And there was something worse: they continued to be considered not Germans, but Russians: they were “held for Russians”, although they expected a warmer reception at their historical homeland.

The Alternative for Germany Party (AfD) wants to use these problems and the cultural heritage that the repatriates brought with them. Professor Achim Görres has calculated that about 15-20% of migrants support AfD. This, as can be seen, is far from being the majority. Nevertheless, it is indisputable that this particular party is the only recognizable party where the Russian Germans are represented.

As for the scandalous “case of Liza”, then, Klimenyuk notes, it would be “naive” to look at him as a provocation planned by Russia. It is hard to believe that this propaganda was addressed to the Russian-speaking diaspora in Germany in order to influence its electoral behavior.

The propaganda messages about the “decline of the West” are primarily addressed to the Russian audience in Germany. This promise also reaches the Russian-speaking citizens of Germany. In general, such propaganda is consistent with the myths of “Alternatives for Germany”: Germany is an “occupied country”, Merkel is an “American puppet”, Muslim migrants are about to “flood” the whole of Germany and Europe. The country must "break free from the yoke."

In Russia, the author recalls, AfD is reported "in a positive way," party activists even "appear on the talk show as experts."

From the material, we can add, we can conclude: Russian propaganda about the “decline of the West” and German problems was not originally addressed to the Germans, or even to Russian-speaking repatriates or other migrants who know Russian. Most propaganda is directed inside Russia itself. Her goal - viewers and listeners from Russia. At the same time, propaganda also has recipients in Germany, but it is impossible to name this large audience.

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    1. +5
      12 September 2017 07: 51
      But NATO propaganda in Russia is not for Russians ...
      1. +11
        12 September 2017 07: 56
        In general, God forbid to move from country to country constantly searching for something better!
        Correctly the Russians say that it is better - "Where you were born, it came in handy!"

        The Russian Germans left - and what, did they feel better with Merkel? Surely they are unhappy!
        GDRovsky Germans FRGshny Germans took badly at reunification of Germany! But what about the Russian Germans, whom the German authorities had already called to Germany ?!
        1. +4
          12 September 2017 07: 58
          Sometimes, you can move, but within the borders of your own country, and in NATO countries there is nothing to do, if only on a tank, in case of war!
        2. +10
          12 September 2017 08: 04
          It became better !!! And we are satisfied! In the Saxon land they live and do not grieve, and are not going back ... smile
          1. +9
            12 September 2017 08: 17
            Per se
            It became better !!! And satisfied! In the land of Saxony they live and do not grieve, and are not going back ... smile

            Well, happiness in their hands! And sometimes I deal with native German Germans - they are not overjoyed by Russia! They say that such freedoms as in Russia, in Germany are not for them to smell! All in favor of foreign immigrants.
            1. +7
              12 September 2017 08: 33
              It is for you
              Edelweiss ... The most beautiful flowers under this sky ...
              1. +10
                12 September 2017 11: 07
                Edelweiss ... The most beautiful flowers under this sky.


                In our Sayan Mountains and Altai, it’s no worse (I'm talking about edelweiss), and you didn’t even stand by the environment.
            2. +10
              12 September 2017 08: 46
              a friend from Germany came, said that the Germans completely with their tolerance crunched ... in the kitchen, discussing under a blanket in a whisper ... wink firsthand ...
              1. +4
                12 September 2017 09: 06
                And why from a tiny little letter? Or the sediment remained to this country after the war ... ??? Here I have no hostility to Germany, they could not kill anyone from the Family in a fair fight ...
              2. +8
                12 September 2017 09: 16
                a friend from Germany came, said that the Germans completely with their tolerance shrieked ... in the kitchen, discussing under a blanket in a whisper ... wink firsthand ...

                I was in Bavaria we went into a cafe (ice cream) my son-in-law didn’t like the waiter (he spoke rudely and called him Adolf) Well, I said it loudly I HAD TO SPEAK TO KHAIL ADDIE Here I saw a little fear in the eyes of relatives Says it’s not the only time you can say that The Germans really hate everything related to fascism and Hitler
                After arriving in Russia, I read the news in Germany, the unidentified people fucked up a drunken Englishman who walked along the street shouting Heil Hitler and threw his hand up laughing
            3. +7
              12 September 2017 09: 07
              Well, happiness in their hands! And sometimes I deal with native German Germans - they are not overjoyed by Russia! They say that such freedoms as in Russia, in Germany are not for them to smell! All in favor of foreign immigrants.

              Only a fascist can hate another country and nation
              Russian Germans have never been traitors, they have always honestly served their homeland of Russia for centuries, and German Germans burned fascism in the 40s and now they burn it out with hot iron (for this we have such blueberries and other) We love Russia, but as above I wrote the standard of living with us (by my standards Omsk is a village) just below the plinth. Although I was in Moscow this year, another state there
              1. +1
                12 September 2017 11: 32
                Quote: nemec55
                Only a fascist can hate another country and nation

                I agree to 100% The problem is that statements like "h.o.h.l.o.v need to hang" and "wet Stripes" here on the site - a good tone.
                1. +1
                  13 September 2017 11: 57
                  I agree to 100% The problem is that statements like "h.o.h.l.o.v need to hang" and "wet Stripes" here on the site - a good tone.
                  Dear, no one is holding you here, do not like our site ------- go to the "Censor".
            4. +5
              12 September 2017 12: 08
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well, happiness in their hands! And sometimes I deal with native German Germans - they are not overjoyed by Russia! They say that such freedoms as in Russia, in Germany are not for them to smell!


              Hmm ... I've said a couple of times that I personally know two Russian "German" families, one of which lived in Germany for 24 years, and the second - for 18 years ... So, this year both of these families thought about returning to Russia ... So - not everything turned out to be so sweet in Germany, although both families belong to the normal middle class and, according to Russian concepts, live pretty well ...
              They fled from the dashing 90s ... And now in Germany, the Arabs and others are arranging something like ...
              And in Russia no one is waiting for them ... So, they tore their life to pieces ...
              1. +1
                12 September 2017 13: 47
                Quote: weksha50
                So, this year both of these families thought about returning to Russia ...

                Unscientific fantasy laughing Either they came up with it, or they heard 24 in Russia.
                1. +4
                  12 September 2017 22: 44
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  Unscientific fiction Either invented themselves, or heard on Russia 24.


                  I wanted to not answer at first ... I didn’t come up with it myself, and I practically don’t watch Russia24 ... I communicate with people on Skype and by phone, and once a year they come to Russia, we communicate live ... Your right is to believe or not believe ... I expressed my opinion on this matter, you just didn’t notice it ... Namely, that nobody in Russia waits for them ... Life turned out to be torn to pieces ... And to start it again from scratch is not comme il faut ... hi
            5. +7
              12 September 2017 14: 08
              Quote: Tatiana
              Well, happiness in their hands! And sometimes I deal with native German Germans - they are not overjoyed by Russia! They say that such freedoms as in Russia, in Germany are not for them to smell! All in favor of foreign immigrants.

              Recently, a very “smart” political scientist in Germany in a newspaper cited the example of repatriates from Russia as an excellent integration of “refugees”. His own Russian Germans in the pages of the same newspaper (in the column comments on the article) tore to shreds. Calling them “refugees” was, to put it mildly, indecent. Among Russian Germans, only 1% of the unemployed (in Germany more than 5%). Integration ends within 2-3 years after arrival.

              But there is one thing: a large percentage of visitors are very attached to the land, and in Germany they have their own land, i.e. being a peasant is almost unrealistic. Less than 2% of the population work in agriculture, plus seasonal workers. Therefore, there are those who would not mind coming to Russia.
          2. +7
            12 September 2017 08: 57
            It became better !!! And we are satisfied! In the land of Saxony they live and do not grieve, and they are not going back ... smile

            I agree 100%, the ethnic German himself lives in the Omsk region; all relatives and almost all friends live in Germany; a month ago I visited them with children. The standard of living is not comparable with ours. There was one minus everywhere I didn’t like Hamburg (dirty and wet)
            1. +8
              12 September 2017 09: 02
              Well, what did you want, the breath of the two North Seas is felt ... That’s wet and cold ...
            2. 0
              13 September 2017 12: 00
              Quote: nemec55
              The standard of living is not comparable with ours.

              So leave Russia, ktozh holds you then request
              1. +1
                13 September 2017 19: 13
                So leave Russia, ktozh holds you that request

                For more was not enough reason?
        3. +3
          12 September 2017 08: 11
          Are you sure that it has become worse :)
          1. +10
            12 September 2017 09: 52
            Quote: Svetlana
            Are you sure that it has become worse :)

            Easterners yes. The enterprises were privatized as in Russia, with all the consequences for the economy of the region, and they went to the Westerners because the East Germans did not have capital. And there was restitution, which is wildness in general.
            It is clear that West German companies immediately, through this, strangled their competitors.

            In fact, West Germany robbed East. Here is such a union.
            1. +1
              12 September 2017 22: 39
              Yes, Westerners bought and closed enterprises, that was. But my remark concerned The Russian Germans left - and what, did they feel better with Merkel?and not the history of the unification of Germany.
              1. +1
                12 September 2017 23: 54
                Quote: Svetlana
                The Russian Germans left - and what, did they feel better at Merkel ?,

                Well, if an increase in the number of barmaleys per square kilometer of area is not considered an improvement, then no, it did not.
                1. +1
                  13 September 2017 12: 29
                  It looks like you have not walked around Moscow for a long time
                  1. +1
                    13 September 2017 13: 23
                    Quote: forty-eighth
                    It looks like you have not walked around Moscow for a long time

                    I live in Moscow - you’ll find horseradish janitor, all Tajiks and Uzbeks have run away.
                    1. 0
                      13 September 2017 13: 47
                      So I have not been to Moscow for a long time =)
                      Counted, it turns out a little over two years.
                      1. 0
                        13 September 2017 14: 50
                        Quote: forty-eighth
                        So I have not been to Moscow for a long time =)

                        If you walk along the forecourt areas, shopping centers, and crowded places such as VDNH, then there will be a lot of them, and in the sleeping areas it has become significantly less.
                        For visitors, Moscow looks different, because they do not climb into the wilds of the building, and there people just live.
    2. Maz
      +8
      12 September 2017 07: 52
      As soon as I read the title, I immediately thought that such a haze could be entitled and created by only one author. Specially opened, ran, as if - "boiled water" and below the expected signature - Dude. Oh, Olezh, I'd die from shame. We’d go and learn from anyone. ... personal opinion, I hope for progress, good luck.
      1. 5:0
        +3
        12 September 2017 08: 17
        Do you have anything to learn - how to vegetate in Israel that is worthless to anyone? :)))
      2. AUL
        +3
        12 September 2017 10: 53
        This is the case when the comments are much more interesting than the article, which is "finally nothing."
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    4. +2
      12 September 2017 08: 04
      What kind of tyagomotin? Buttered porridge with butter. The author has in mind that propaganda is intended for Russians. Is everything said about Germany and Merkel not true? Do not believe your eyes? I have long been judging by deeds, not words.
    5. +4
      12 September 2017 08: 32
      The famous German actor Til Schweiger believes that the Russian mentality is much closer to the Germans than the American one. And it is difficult to suspect this actor of Russian roots and exposure to "Russian propaganda."
      1. +1
        12 September 2017 09: 00
        The famous German actor Til Schweiger believes that the Russian mentality is much closer to the Germans than the American one. And it is difficult to suspect this actor of Russian roots and exposure to "Russian propaganda."

        In Russia, one misfortune is that officials who do not fulfill their duties can be referred to doctors as well.
        1. AUL
          +4
          12 September 2017 10: 56
          And the deputies ... and politicians ... and many others ...
      2. 0
        7 October 2017 17: 21
        Quote: Altona
        The famous German actor Til Schweiger believes that the Russian mentality is much closer to the Germans than the American one. And it is difficult to suspect this actor of Russian roots and exposure to "Russian propaganda."

    6. +7
      12 September 2017 09: 01
      Izz das ... This is the case when you need to type one and a half thousand characters.)))))
      This, of course, Russian propaganda holds the American occupation contingent in Germany, of course, Russian propaganda forced Germany to act as chancellor. And the ending just killed me writes that the truth about Germany is Russian propaganda is aimed at Russia.
      1. 0
        12 September 2017 10: 04
        Quote: Lightest
        And the ending just killed me writes that the truth about Germany is Russian propaganda is aimed at Russia.

        And who else? This is in Russia and specifically on this site (unlike the Germans) sincerely believe that

        So how many moved then, 400 thousand? winked
        1. +4
          12 September 2017 10: 36
          Ask a question in the FMS, not me. And by the way, how long has Crimean news been published in Germany? How did I miss such an event.

          P.S. And yes, even among my acquaintances Germans who want to return fully. They are afraid but also uncomfortable there, they say it would be what kind of program for this case they said back.
          1. 5:0
            0
            12 September 2017 11: 08
            But how, there is a program for the "return of compatriots", with the lifting and other things. The truth is, to the periphery, and not to Moscow-Peter. And something to nobody. In general. By the way, I definitely have friends in Germany no less - nobody and this does not occur to my head.
            1. +2
              12 September 2017 17: 07
              Quote: 5: 0
              But how, there is a program for the "return of compatriots", with the lifting and other things. The truth is, to the periphery, and not to Moscow-Peter. And something to nobody. In general. By the way, I definitely have friends in Germany no less - nobody and this does not occur to my head.

              It’s hard to throw your Yavrei brothers from the German social, and our Germans are returning, but there are few, even a lot of those on returning to Russia are available on the Russian website of Germany.
              here is the screen

            2. 0
              13 September 2017 12: 16
              11.08. Argentina-Jamaica! Five Zero! Do not say, do not say! Not only comes to mind! They also come back. In prison, of course, good! Full social package! But the duties and limitations are excessive! Are there few restrictions in Israel? But you’re used to it and don’t notice. I will not say for all Germans. Someone perceives modern Russia with horror. I ask why? You have no development! But there are those who are disgusted by that prison. hi No offense. Just from personal communication. Each side can voice both the pros and cons of both sides. Again hi . Many tales (or past stories) go about the former convicts. When people after the zone return to freedom. How do you live here! You have complete mess here! According to your laws, it is impossible to live! They commit a crime and again into the zone. This is the prose of life. Israel and Germany can also be compared with the will.
    7. +1
      12 September 2017 09: 42
      Propaganda is needed and terrible for those who do not listen with their own heads, but listen to a stranger.
    8. +2
      12 September 2017 14: 34
      So why are they fussing? Let Russia continue to listen .... Logic is perverted, propaganda is for Russians, but Russia is waging an information war with the West ....
    9. +3
      13 September 2017 22: 32
      Quote: By itself
      It became better !!! And we are satisfied! In the Saxon land they live and do not grieve, and are not going back ... smile

      Please give me a couple of proofs.
      Since 1984, for work, countless times, he lived and worked in Germany for months,
      and I can’t confirm your remark.
      I know Germans who would like to go back to the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.
    10. 0
      7 October 2017 17: 19

      Look also at the RUS BERLIN channel, it’s called Russian orphanage from Latvia, came to Germany 8 years ago and still does not know German, but Latvian knows well and generally lives in Berlin in the Russian region, and there it looks like a USSR house in this region Marzan where he lives. Yes, and Russian Germans are the same who moan and complain! I talked that year with a Russian German from Hanover, he was disabled and he told me, he complained forever, these refugees were so chunky that it wasn’t calm in Hanover and always moaned. I spoke with a native German in German, corresponded with him, he lives in Munich and was very fond of Russia, he constantly praised her and terribly hated the United States. But the rest you are right, I talked with many Russians from Germany and they don’t even know German, living 20-30 in Germany. Yakov Khokhlovich, a Russian Jew from Moscow, arrived in Germany in 1990 and still does not know German well. I write him German he writes yes don’t write to me in German I don’t have very good grammar, I haven’t learned German for 30 years, he lives in Berlin in the Russian-speaking region of Hellersdorf, Marzahn, and he told me how soup and slop pour out of the windows but he said that refugees do it they are shitting, but we are not shitting Russian. He constantly praised Germany but loved Russia and said that as soon as life in Russia was established he would go to Russia, he believed in Wang’s predictions and that Russia would be saved and ahahaha would prosper and therefore he didn’t have German citizenship doesn’t work lives on benefits but also doesn’t want to give up Russian citizenship, saying that in Russia it will become better and he will go there anyway but so far it is good in Germany therefore he speaks German I need when in the future I I’m going to Russia anyway, when there will be a good life, and according to Wanga and her predictions, Russia will be saved and AHAHA will flourish.
    11. 0
      7 October 2017 17: 21
      Quote: Lightest
      Ask a question in the FMS, not me. And by the way, how long has Crimean news been published in Germany? How did I miss such an event.

      P.S. And yes, even among my acquaintances Germans who want to return fully. They are afraid but also uncomfortable there, they say it would be what kind of program for this case they said back.

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