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The first open demonstration of the tank T-90M

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The T-90M tank was first openly demonstrated at an exhibition of armored vehicles in honor of Tanker’s Day in the 33rd Luga Combined Arms Testing Ground (Leningrad Region). A curious feature demonstrated at the 33rd test site of the sample tank T-90M was the use of "soft" mesh protective shields on it to protect the bottom of the tower.








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  1. venik
    venik 10 September 2017 11: 21
    +5
    The function and effectiveness of the "soft" mesh screens are not entirely understood ..... What should BOPs and KSy "get confused" in them ????
    1. pepel79
      pepel79 10 September 2017 11: 36
      +13
      NO ... the function is similar to that of lattice screens, but it is easier and more efficient, 50-50 lattices either break the funnel without detonation, or lead to detonation. the soft grid does not practically lead to detonation, but passes a grenade into the cell, after which the bolts along the edges of the square deform and tear the blank body, which leads to the neutralization of the damaging element.
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 10 September 2017 15: 23
        +1
        You saw with what bolts it is screwed to the DZ, an RPG grenade will tear off this grid.
        1. Meliodous
          Meliodous 10 September 2017 20: 56
          0
          Perhaps, when a grenade hits the screen, it will stupidly change the flight path and fly right into the yulok dz instead of the tower shoulder strap?
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 10 September 2017 21: 34
          +1
          actually not bolted, but skipped under the bolts, so that tear off the torment, because the mesh is not rigidly fixed
        3. anpaza
          anpaza 14 September 2017 18: 41
          0
          It will tear off after the warhead’s deformation, it is made of thin luminous tin.
      2. Meliodous
        Meliodous 10 September 2017 20: 57
        0
        For this to happen, the grid must be fixed on both sides, here only on one. So cut RPG grenade does not work.
        1. pepel79
          pepel79 11 September 2017 00: 13
          +3
          The grenade will fall into the lasso, like the head of a horse and will change its path with an inclination to the top. The grenade has the shape of a wedge, DZ of the reverse wedge, which probably will not allow the fuse to work, as they will collide with the sides of their wedges, at this time the tail with the plumage will rest against the tank body, also sideways, in its lower part, but the inertia force and the working throwing charge (depending on the type of grenade), will facilitate the movement of the disc as well in front (the speed is decent enough) ... in such cases the grenade will simply tear to pieces (the grenade’s body is actually tin, it doesn’t need much effort to fly to smithereens ) In the worst case, it simply leaves the path of generating a turret-free, unprotected DZ space, and when it detonates, the funnel may already be damaged (deformed) and the formation of the jet will not be correct, which will lead to a decrease in armor penetration, but taking into account the change in direction, the jet will fall into the effective range. Everything is physics and mathematics.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 10 September 2017 11: 46
      +7
      venik
      The function and effectiveness of the "soft" mesh screens are not entirely understood ..... What should BOPs and KSy "get confused" in them ????
      Well, what can I do about that in Ukraine there are no such nets. There are only nets from old Soviet beds or from windows. Therefore, questions arise. feel
      1. venik
        venik 10 September 2017 12: 18
        +4
        Quote: Observer2014
        Well, what can I do that in Ukraine there are no such nets

        ========
        Well, they are not only in / in Ukraine .... They are generally in my opinion ANYWHERE anymore .... Only comrades, the Israelis hung chains on "carrots" like Vaska the Bull from the "Green Van" ......
    3. BuyantuevRusLanyandex.ru
      BuyantuevRusLanyandex.ru 11 September 2017 03: 17
      +1
      The tail of the RPG in Syria a lot of frames where tanks with a grill
      they are literally covered with shanks. fighters from shelters and buildings shoot almost point blank
    4. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 3 November 2017 20: 23
      0
      RPG and ATGM rounds should break in them, by the way, such a system by itself is not new and has long been proposed in the West
  2. Mik13
    Mik13 10 September 2017 11: 40
    +8
    Pleased with a remotely controlled anti-aircraft machine gun. Finally.
    A log on its side is completely in vain. There it will certainly be lost. And when transporting by rail, it will still come down to remove it and attach it to another place.
    1. venik
      venik 10 September 2017 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: Mik13
      A log on its side is completely in vain.

      ========
      And where else to "hook" ?? To the tower ?? It doesn’t work at the back - lattice screens interfere ......
      1. ICT
        ICT 10 September 2017 12: 30
        +1
        purely technically, when driving in the city it is not necessary, and with real maneuvers along forest paths, he has one place in the back and it's even easier to hang an ax and a saw
        1. ICT
          ICT 10 September 2017 12: 39
          +5
          And by the way, the photo from the news below, it hangs normally, reliably
          1. DimanC
            DimanC 10 September 2017 17: 42
            +1
            sorry, what is this car in the photo? Is it really 80 after modernization?
            1. ICT
              ICT 10 September 2017 19: 00
              0
              in all sources this is one piece of news, and only IN IT I cut into two articles
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. t7310
        t7310 16 September 2017 14: 43
        0
        where to fix the log? on the case at the back between the tracks as 72, what suddenly prevented this? like BE with such logs it reminds the technique of the evil orcs from Warhammer 40000, and if suddenly it is not painted and crooked
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 11 September 2017 01: 03
      +1
      good Actually, I would like to supplement you - where in the presence of a log to add "backpacks" of dynamic protection? Just the same personification, "either remove the cross or put on your underpants."
      Moreover, I really want to make those who demanded to hang this log and those who agreed to this - do-it-yourself "prove" its usability and usefulness. There is also a feeling that those who added the log directly dream (literally) of soldiers in footcloths and quilted jackets fool . When the psychology of senior management in the plan has already changed - modern technology is not a "horse" and needs to be serviced, including by hardships, and if necessary then by Warm storage hangars !!
  3. ICT
    ICT 10 September 2017 12: 47
    +3
    (C)
    short chain mail
    1. ICT
      ICT 10 September 2017 21: 24
      +2
      again, the question of ktoni saw comparative tests of gratings and networks, why they refused gratings,
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 10 September 2017 21: 36
      +1
      5 cm? Taking into account that the modern RPG is about 80 mm, it’s either fucked on board, or it gets into the net higher
      1. ICT
        ICT 10 September 2017 23: 02
        +1
        (c) the enemy did not give, he forged,

        Well, the jakab that two pieces of mesh could not be sewn into one fabric
    3. Mih1974
      Mih1974 11 September 2017 01: 14
      +2
      To put it seriously, this is a really miserable imitation of either the real people, with their mercenaries, or we command ukrams, with their "beds" and bars from fences. Here

      More than a reliable solution without any "amateur performances." Well, if you add "a little truth" then it will turn out sad

      This is what the vaunted "impenetrable" tower of the same "leopard" is. That is, God himself told us to “sheathe” a well-booked tower with such “cartons” and nets.
      It’s time to forget such stupidity “it’s easier to get into a big tank,” at this stage it is just the opposite - in the absence of tank combat, the anti-grenade “body kit” is most necessary. Letting the enemy enter these fake "walls" of the tower, at least on the forehead, at least on the side, if it were to penetrate the "bare" tower, there is a chance that there will not be enough distance (for the jet). And if there had been a “miss” and then “scored” - well, to hell with it, the tank itself would not lose combat capability, and the “fool” could be “fixed” with a simple welding after the battle. good
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 12 September 2017 23: 00
        0
        Yes Yes. The enemy has only one RPG. And after the collapse of the tower cartons, he will have nothing more to shoot at the big tank ...
        Or do you not agree that it is more difficult to get into a smaller projection and quite the opposite? How many armor-piercing grenades are there in the infantry department in the state?
        1. would
          would 16 September 2017 14: 13
          0
          After a shot from an RPG, that is, modern grenades, it’s 300 maximum 500 meters from the tank (and most likely not only) so it arrives that nothing will remain of the grenade launcher.

          So now the most effective are 2nd generation ATGMs. And from them there is no particular difference between the meter in the height of the target.
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 10 September 2017 12: 55
    +1
    Why is the DZ directed down at the latest developments, right on the shelves and side protection? Isn't it more logical to place the plates vertically or to direct them upwards?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 10 September 2017 21: 36
      0
      you probably do not understand the meaning of DZ
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 11 September 2017 09: 28
        +1
        you probably do not understand the meaning of DZ

        Explosion DZ will go in the direction of the fenders, is not it? And the steel (or what is it now?) Plate, or rather its fragments (and fragments of a projectile or BOPS) will tear off the shelf and the shelf, and damage the side DZ. The result is an open side.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 26 September 2017 17: 54
          0
          it will only rip off the place where the charge gets, and the place of the detonating block is open
  5. senima56
    senima56 10 September 2017 13: 38
    +2
    Well, finally thinking about the protection of this "broom"! The shell there asks for a rebound!
  6. zxc15682
    zxc15682 10 September 2017 13: 57
    0
    I’ve never been a tanker and haven’t served in the army, but why the log?
    1. 32363
      32363 10 September 2017 14: 05
      +7
      .............
      1. zxc15682
        zxc15682 10 September 2017 14: 09
        +1
        Afiget ... A one-time log ... Isn't it easier to use a rug from chains?
        1. ICT
          ICT 10 September 2017 16: 35
          +6
          Quote: zxc15682
          Isn't it easier to use a chain mat?

          what ...?
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 11 September 2017 01: 33
            +1
            It’s a great video of paligon mining of the “sphere of a big horse,” but the Internet is full of real videos where there are no logs, often because the tank is just “drowned” in the mud. Modern tanks have become so expensive that for such cases it is now “not expensive” to attach one or more MTLBs to tank groups.
            Okay, let’s leave aside the expensive “armature” and look at the realities of the war in the Donbass - there is not a single video of such a use of “self-extraction”. It would seem why? As a tanker is not at all, I can only assume that in a real war no one drowns tanks one by one in the mud or pulls them out using existing equipment. Well, or maybe the tank commanders in the swamp (sand) just do not climb in order to not arrange "dancing with logs" like that later. feel
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 12 September 2017 23: 09
              0
              In battle, dancing with logs does not suit. And on the march or in reconnaissance approaches may well come in handy. And the "rugs" - a lot of those rugs the crew of three will carry? Go once in 5-6 heavier than a log. And to pull regular property out of the swamp will be much more fun than a tank with its help. And you won’t give up, not a log, which can be updated in the next fishing line
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 10 September 2017 16: 44
          +4
          Many decades used. So, the practice of application is quite suitable for tankers.
        3. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 10 September 2017 21: 38
          +2
          the rug weighs more, costs more, and in fact it will also be disposable, and a bit tedious
          1. ICT
            ICT 10 September 2017 23: 04
            +1
            Quote: Boris Chernikov
            mat weighs more

            and even though he is from himself (for a tank)
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 12 September 2017 22: 51
              0
              crap that is sold for cars, such as rushing into the dirt under the wheels for clutch and you can go so as not to get muddy with chains on wheels ... just imagine an analogue for the tank,)
        4. t7310
          t7310 16 September 2017 14: 59
          0
          Afiget ... A one-time log ... Isn't it easier to use a rug from chains?


          they also take meat and cognac with them, and every day they use this log in a bonfire for barbecue in nature and they don’t use coal in tank religion.
        5. passerby5
          passerby5 8 October 2017 17: 06
          0
          the log is not how much one-time. I had the experience of using it, so to speak)))) "the work is still that"))) I will tell you to mess with it, but !!! Pts necessary thing. not surely you won’t bother with him in battle. it’s too short of it .. but on the marches ... and not current in the mud and sand, as examples are given here, but also snow. when the machine flops into the wet snow, it rakes out the support in bunches from under it, and with its belly gently sits on the snow. here, if not than pulling a log just right
  7. seos
    seos 10 September 2017 14: 58
    0
    Next to the tank is a poster - in which it says that the fluff is old 2a46 and the weight of the machine is 46,5 tons ...
    I hope that this is not a presentation, but a local sticky ...
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 10 September 2017 23: 37
      0
      I'm afraid someone drew this poster without a brain. according to this marking the gun to 80 should be. they have different automatic loaders. any typo any
  8. Valera Agarkov
    Valera Agarkov 11 September 2017 06: 50
    0
    the question is, why constructively make such a bottom of the tower? Specially for aiming?
  9. Scooter_gto
    Scooter_gto 11 September 2017 15: 36
    0
    Log + 100mm to prevedenku)
  10. warks
    warks 11 September 2017 19: 14
    0
    Maybe it’s more correct to say not the “bottom of the tower”, but the shoulder strap of the tower?
  11. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
    Hysnik-Tsuzoy 11 September 2017 21: 07
    0
    Rarely sloppy upgrade of external forms. Handicraft-krivoruko bolted mesh causes a smile.
  12. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 12 September 2017 12: 10
    0
    Judging by the turret, the ammunition remained inside the tank’s hull. The T-90MS tank has a different turret.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 12 September 2017 22: 54
      0
      more convenient perspective, Everything is in order, part of the ammunition has been carried out of the tower, most likely under modern shells
    2. seos
      seos 14 September 2017 23: 05
      0
      No, it's just a box for charges and shells (Kumm .. and OF), as I understand it, the T-90m is the same T-90 just in an antler kit ... The tower is old if someone did not understand ...
      They did the fluff for 35 years, but in the end they decided it would come down ... apparently they saved it, it will do for the anti-personnel modification, but it’s better for him not to meet tanks ..
  13. Kars
    Kars 12 September 2017 15: 35
    +1
    More or less not bad. The grid is certainly not the topic.
    It would be interesting to compare the size of the buckets, what’s on the main stronghold.
    1. seos
      seos 14 September 2017 23: 07
      0
      The grid is valid - it is much better than the original lattices ... and the driver's chances of survival increase.
  14. Simfy
    Simfy 15 September 2017 20: 53
    0
    after all the comments about the grid, what do you think the designer was on vacation, and the designers put on stupidly “beautiful beads” ???
    I think shelling more than once this grid, took into account the size of ammunition, etc.
  15. taseka
    taseka 16 September 2017 06: 35
    0
    Tanks are changing! Only logs on tanks do not change))))
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 8 October 2017 17: 10
      0
      so this is to him there electronics then and no matter how you add .... unless in a different way))))