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Caesar Kunikov: the star and the death of the legendary commander

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Legends are like sprawling tall trees, whose powerful roots can be both legendary events and legendary personalities. And since the legend lives in society, then to historical the storms born within this very society are extremely susceptible, and even the lumberjacks-neighbors look with envy from behind the fence. And even worse, home-grown "foresters" strive to fix everything under the plausible excuse of making a reservation, did not overlook - but from the tree there was only one stump left. And, as the cartoon dog Sharik used to say, it’s good for old women to get stumps alone. For a dying society, a stump instead of a legend is the norm, but a living and breathing society needs a greening fruiting grove - the fruits nourish it, clean air fills its lungs, and inclement weather that has flown from outside is better to survive in a grove than in a wasteland.




Memorial "Little Earth" at dawn



Panorama of the future memorial "Small Earth" in the Soviet years

A legend named Caesar Lvovich Kunikov, after the death of the most famous commander, began her own life. This legend has gone through unduly hothouse Brezhnev times, when one aging honored veteran was not so angry with vanity because of tenderness and care that grove in which this legend grew was that he had almost untied it.



Stella on "Little Earth" - the modest grandeur of time



Memorial in the autumn storms, in the background the indispensable companion of the north-east - the "beard" (clouds overtaking mountain passes by the strongest wind)



At the time of the photographing, the wind didn’t only press me to the concrete, but also notably “refreshed” sea water as in the shower. But people not only landed in this weather in total darkness, but also went into battle under dagger fire



Inside the memorial (this photo is provided by Roman Skomorokhov)



But can we reproach the whole life of a veteran who served his people in this weakness? With an eye on history, I can confidently say no. Especially after our creative "intelligentsia" trampled down according to the old veteran. As if a specific reprimand of the Secretary General is a conscious choice. It’s possible that someone’s world will collapse now, but the sick liver of an alcoholic is a conscious choice, AIDS after unprotected sex with a stranger is a conscious choice, and the fragment that shattered the jaw is an unconscious choice, this is a battle wound. And all the more, the innocent joy of Leonid Ilyich now seems to be new orders and medals, so inspired by the political bureau, handed to him partly against the backdrop of self-styled prima donnas, drunken humorist-gerontophiles and “pop kings”, hung with orders and titles, as if they hadn't missed not a single battle since standing on the Ugra.



The memorial in Myskhako, in the middle of a plane tree planted in the distant 1974 year by Leonid Brezhnev (during the shooting the tree was watered abundantly, as it seemed to me this procedure daily, especially since in the south the beginning of autumn is an endless change of wild heat and cold rainy days)



Caesar Kunikov: the star and the death of the legendary commander


Monument "Explosion" - created from the "gifts" of war



Mosaic map of the "Small Earth" bridgehead, which led me in childhood to a complete boyish delight



On the stella, the description of the most fiery days of the bridgehead



But the legend held out, became a little sentimental with a hint of nostalgia, but held out. And then the hurricane winds of the “saints 90's” came flying, as the widow of an old alcoholic put it. Former Komsomol leaders and yesterday's mediocre hacks from some “morning dawn”, acutely sensing the trend, desperately dreamed of jumping into that wave on which the popular camp gossip collector Mr. Solzhenitsyn had already successfully traveled. At the same time, none of them were inventive, except that, thanks to the quality of Soviet higher education, they could write a little more vividly and readable than the one Alexander Isaevich smeared on pages.

These "angels of saints 90-x" acted on the same training manuals. If it was not possible to cut down the legend at the root, then they diligently plowed the earth around its tree, so that there could not sprout for a hundred years. Sometimes they did both.

The legend named Kunikov turned out to be too strong. So strong that now those public figures who have broken their teeth about it can only remind of their vital activity if they retreat into oblivion under the most piquant circumstances or on a well-known bridge that they are one and the same. Therefore, I don’t see the point of citing the names of these Gerostrat-losers, but their methods are worth knowing.



A plaque at the beginning of the street, named after Major Caesar Kunikov





Opposite the memorial plaque is a modest monument. Unfortunately, after a wild capitalization, he stands amid second-rate eatery



At first, these borzopisty, of course, tried to file Kunikov himself. But the search for greasy details — something like sexual dysfunction or extramarital affair — only caused them to stop communicating with them. Therefore, they began to uproot the very ground in which the roots of the legendary personality of Kunikov sprouted themselves.

Soon, these citizens announced that the low-land landing itself was meaningless. Thus, the heroes became martyrs and victims, which means they would be less dangerous for pro-Western ideologists. The fact that the bridgehead pulled over a significant amount of enemy forces, became a convenient position for breaking through the Blue Line, blocked for fleet the enemy’s major port, had a tremendous psychological and political effect - they either rejected it. And more often than not, they simply did not know about it due to the very purpose of their work, which had nothing to do with historical truth.

But the most safe method was the national question. Everything is as old as the world. Find a couple of dozen idiots in the depths of two great nations, let them go to the media, and in a couple of years news about building a wall a la Ukraine will become more relevant in society than building a hospital or school.



New houses, in which the officers of the NBM should move. Well, if this new district is given the now somewhat forgotten name - Kunikovka (this is how the village was called Stanichka and the territory of the fish factory after the war)

For Kunikov, this turned out to be a nonsense that was striking at first glance - he was absented in absentia with his colleagues and command! In the foundation of this psychedelic situation, worthy of the pen of Franz Kafka, lay the omissions, gossip and the associated conspiratorial winks - they say, we know the truth with you. For example, the head of the Kunikovsky detachment, Fyodor Kotanov, is credited with walking the phrase “Kunikov is a Jew”. For citizens desperately seeking anti-Semitism, this phrase, even without context, is already flawless proof. Well, the reality of the great multinational power in the great war does not fit into their craniums. But I, no matter how hard I try, cannot imagine a “democratic” acquaintance in their opinion. “Hello, I am a Jew,” said Kunikov. “Hello, I am from the Pontic Greeks,” said Kotanov. “Guys, when will we fight?” Asked Starshinov modestly. In general, surrealism offered instead of a cohesive multinational country.



Heroes Square goes down to the sea surface in a business-like fussy Tsemessky bay (on the right on the photo, if you look closely you can see the cruiser "Mikhail Kutuzov")



And therefore, apart from a bit of surprise, Kotanov could not express anything else. In a country in which Edward can be Russian, Vladimir - Greek, Stepan - Armenian, such words can be cited as an argument only by a person who is focused on their search and the “correct” interpretation. But apologists for the “national question” of Caesar Kunikov consider Kholostyakov to be the culprit. Allegedly, he was the first to designate the nationality in the column as “Russian” in order to circumvent the “repressive apparatus of the Union” when introducing Caesar to the title of Hero.



The grave of Nikolai Sipyagin



Eternal flame

And no one even wanted to look into the materials about the irretrievable losses of the ULBR, in which the “Russian” was written in a plain faded pencil. This is true because the signatures of lesser-known people under these documents, and imagining terry "state" flourishing in hospitals, anti-Semitism is already too deep paranoia. Yes, and to assume that the victim with the most severe wound of Kunikov’s spine was tortured for a long time about nationality is ridiculous. “And what nation are you? What does it mean write what you want? What does it mean to put the spine in place? We have a strict accounting of the Jews here, by the way. So, next in line, do not shout, wrap the stump with a belt and wait, we have an important question here, ”however, this is also possible in the minds of these researchers.

But the biggest meanness they tried to do with the orders of Kunikov. Hiding behind the noble position of defending Caesar’s personality, some historians put up the hero of Mala Zemlya not only a martyr, but also a fool, whose deeds the state did not appreciate. Indeed, until the death of Kunikov, he did not receive state awards for military operations. But this could have been influenced by a dozen factors — to a certain extent, the independent nature of Kunikov’s command, the bitterness of the battles and the retreats in 41-42, the absolute preoccupation of Caesar with military affairs, constant re-formations, etc. And not one of them, not one, was considered as a reason, when it was urgently needed and, as you already know in absentia, to trample Kunikov with the boots of a “bloody scoop”. Why not awarded? Because a Jew, that's all. And, of course, in this system there is no room for the fact that, despite the nationality, Kunikov had made a dizzying party and managerial career before the war. After all, he was invited to the People's Commissariat of Munitions for the position of one of the deputies.



Thus, they tried to convince us that the legendary major is just another stupid boltik of the system, respectively, not a hero. Since everything that he believed in, all of his Soviet powers, everything for which he, so incomprehensible to them, sacrificed his life, was simply a delusion. Therefore, an attempt to “tell the truth” about Kunikov, is no more than diligent uprooting of the tree of the legend and glory of Caesar. After all, surprisingly for some specific citizens, Kunikov, like many of his contemporaries, was more like his terrible, but great era, than his parents. And this they could not forgive, could not leave in memory alive.



The grave of the great marines Caesar Lvovich Kunikova

Unfortunately, judging by some comments on the Kunikov cycle, their attempts were not entirely fruitless. Someone was furiously proud of Kunikov's Jewry, losing the identity itself and the fact that he was going to die. Someone denied his Jewry, trying to privatize Caesar into his own pantheon. And those and others did not see Kunikov behind a veil of insults and prejudices. Both those and others continued the rat work started in the distant 90-s, I hope involuntarily.



However, the memory is complicated. Sometimes it helps to survive difficult times. And the fiercer they try to squeeze it out, the more it sparkles. And, of course, monuments play an important role in its brilliance, which in our age of box-like skyscrapers look majestic. Congenital curiosity no, no, yes and make the boy ask his father, and who was this man, whose name is carved on granite slabs. And now our concern is how to preserve memory. And in time to be able to sift out the bark beetles, who, for the sake of momentary gain, are ready to cut off any tree of the people themselves for the false guise of care.
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  1. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 11 September 2017 07: 15
    +3
    Speaking about Kunikov and the gossip that went and goes around his name, the author probably missed the most common or gossip or myth or ... that the landing in Stanichka consisted of fines and supposedly, Kunikov himself was also a fine man and therefore had no awards ... It is strange, but it was the legend about the penal Kunikov and his penalty squad that was firmly entrenched in the minds of ordinary residents of this city of old age. This was the first time I heard about it from them (and not from "one person").
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 11 September 2017 07: 45
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Speaking of Kunikov and the gossip that went and go around his name

      but in general, why raise all this dregs? Kunikov deservedly took his place in the pantheon of heroes, all sorts of scribes “wrote off”, the dregs settled and a man became visible. The previous series of articles about him was good.
    2. Eastern wind
      11 September 2017 11: 34
      +3
      We also heard this nonsense ... But! Fortunately, he did not go beyond the boundaries of "One Grandmother Said." And I described only that nonsense, which was printed and had a certain "success" among specific groups of the population. In addition, even the pseudohistoric did not undertake to spread this fable about the "penalty box" - it is very fierce nonsense.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 11 September 2017 07: 39
    +3
    Comments are unnecessary, Respect to the author hi
  3. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 08: 09
    +1
    The fact that the bridgehead pulled over a significant amount of enemy forces, became a convenient position for breaking the Blue Line, blocked a large port for the enemy fleet, had a tremendous psychological and political effect - they either rejected it
    Wonderful and gorgeous.
    Only one small addition.
    The Germans lost in the Caucasus (in all) 50000 killed and missing (according to the German People's Union), and the Red Army about a million. The ratio of 1 to 20.
    1. Eastern wind
      11 September 2017 11: 48
      +4
      And here is my favorite anti-Semite! What is your analyst! Shine. Is it nothing that only on the first day of the Landlord landing Kunikovtsi crushed 1000 Germans and Romanians? Is it nothing that the Nazis lost 800-1500 people in just one day of the operation "Neptune" (operation lasted more than 10 days)? And, of course, absolutely nothing means the complete defeat of the Romanian division near Gelendzhik on the mountain passes, after which this division ceased to exist? Notice, I'm not even talking about the whole Caucasus ...
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 12: 47
        -1
        The breeze, I, of course, understand what their Basurmans regret, it will not be a pity, you are a brave guy, patriotic, but according to official German data in the Caucasus, including heavis, they lost 50000 people killed. Romanians are two times smaller. And the rest of the allies of Germany were represented here slightly, the Slovak division, the Italian battalion and all sorts of Finns penny yes Swedes from the city of Berlin.
        This is the real loss of the enemy for a year and a half of the war.
        And what you say is all absurd ....
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 September 2017 16: 44
          +2
          About the loss of a lot of different information. This site has already been discussed more than once. The general ratio of the dead servicemen of the USSR and Germany 1,3 to 1.
          At the beginning of the war, not in our favor, toward the end of the war not in Germany's favor. Such are the official figures.
    2. Eastern wind
      11 September 2017 12: 34
      +4
      So, stop ... You took the NNS data, which is the nationalist political party of Germany, formed in the 1987 year? Enchanting!
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 12: 39
        -1
        German People’s War Grave Care Alliance (German German War Graves Commission), also known as the German People's Union for the Care of War Graves - a German humanitarian non-governmental organization whose task is to care for and create burial places for German soldiers outside Germany, as well as collect data on German military burials abroad.
        Did not hear the scribe about this? What happens.
        Oh, these winds let the unkind feel
        1. Eastern wind
          11 September 2017 12: 54
          +4
          Well, no one officially called a cannibal about Himmler either, and what?

          Your data is simply frankly false. 50000? Only Philip Rubakho over the Nazis 300 eliminated, a single sniper ... Oh, those wet tales of anti-Semites. It is a pity that I did not reach you. I work badly, it is necessary to be activated!
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 13: 09
            -1
            And here is Himmler the cannibal?
            Less pathos, write on the case.
            In total, the foreman of the 1st article, F. J. Rubacho, destroyed 346 German soldiers, blew up 8 bunkers, a tank, and a mortar.
            This is according to Soviet data, but the total losses of the Wehrmacht from July 42nd to October 9th, 43rd year are 50000 people killed and not found during the Battle of the Caucasus.
            Or do you think the loss of the Wehrmacht, according to Soviet political reports or reports of the Sovinformburo? In vain ... There Stalin on November 6 put 6 million Germans in a festive speech.
            1. Eastern wind
              11 September 2017 13: 37
              +4
              Political News? Oh, yes, the old Solzhenitsyn paranoia - everything from the Soviets - nonsense, everything from the West - good ...

              I take the data from the published materials of TsAMO, you are from the Melkacist party of the NNS - well, this is your level. What is there to do?
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 13: 45
                -1
                Quote: East Wind
                I take the data from the published materials TsAMO

                Take Wehrmacht losses according to TsAMO? But how did they know the real losses of the Wehrmacht? By eye, and then in each instance they raised it, so breathtaking numbers got there too.
                The real losses of the Germans are known only to the Germans.
                Quote: East Wind
                you are from the Nazi party nns

                The organization was created after the First World War, December 16, 1919.
                The People’s Union for the Care of Military Graves successfully cooperates with the Russian authorities in order to preserve the memory of those killed in World War II. In accordance with the intergovernmental agreement between Russia and the Federal Republic of Germany on January 29, 1993 on the joint care of military graves, the German side represented by the People’s Union Germany undertook to monitor the safety of the burial places of Soviet soldiers on the territory of its country. Also, since 1993, the German government took upon itself all expenses for the maintenance of memorials in memory of those who died in World War II and the graves of military times located in the country. In response, the German side is allowed to equip German military cemeteries in Russia.
                German People’s War Grave Care Alliance The official slogan of the association is "Reconciliation over graves - work for peace."

                By the way, what gender are you? So you have some petty Nazis or your favorite anti-Semites all around, it's time to grow up.
                The material as a whole is not bad, only the pathos are off the charts and you need to look critically at the sources. This is just good advice.
                1. Mood Ozvon
                  Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 19: 39
                  +3
                  The Germans, too, lie to the master, too lazy to write, although there is something.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 11 September 2017 21: 22
                    +3
                    German classic lies - Baron Munchausen. His ideas in Germany live and win. Again, the beaten one always lies. And they fought with him wrongly, and in general, they threw corpses ... Living with him, beaten, is more morally comfortable.
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 13: 16
        -1
        And why do you think I'm anti-Semite? Just because I brought the data that Caesar Kunikov-Krymchak? So this is a different people. The author probably wants to apologize?
        1. Eastern wind
          11 September 2017 13: 42
          +3
          Oh, what a conceit you have! Any look ... "Author! Wants to apologize" - well, just cute. Do you happen to be like Mussolini, in a fit of ecstasy, not throwing your chin up? And then I have seen such.
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            1. Eastern wind
              11 September 2017 13: 59
              +1
              Higher chin, higher, and then a parody of some kind ...
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 14: 03
                -1
                Isn’t it that only on the first day of the low-land landing, did the Kunikovites grind 1000 Germans and Romanians? Is it nothing that the Nazis lost 800-1500 people in just one day of the Neptune operation (the operation lasted more than 10 days)?
                Leave the bickering.
                My question is, do you personally believe in these numbers? To be honest?
                1. Eastern wind
                  11 September 2017 14: 06
                  +1
                  Questions of faith on your part, I have only the facts ... So, boy, chin is not visible, above!
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 14: 14
                    -1
                    The facts are good.
                    That is, you really think that 275 Kunikovites killed 1000 Germans and Romanians in 4 hours, that is, each of them valnul about XNUMX enemies.
                    So in between.
                    Do you yourself believe in this order of numbers?
                    1. Eastern wind
                      11 September 2017 14: 52
                      +5
                      How fierce gloom you carry ... Do you really imagine the landing operation like a fight in a wasteland? Artillery, aircraft, naval guns - all by cash? So, all the best to you. And consult a doctor, it may not be too late.
                      1. Koshnitsa
                        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 14: 58
                        -1
                        Isn’t it that only on the first day of the low-land landing, did the Kunikovites grind 1000 Germans and Romanians?
                        But you write that it was Kunikivtsi, artillery and aviation were not involved in your answer in any way.
                        Probably they in your imagination killed even more.
                        The documentary about the mass extermination of Germans and Romanians on February 4th will not throw?
        2. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 11 September 2017 13: 47
          +2
          Of course, this is ridiculously “lost 50000” - just such a “round” figure? And not a man less or more? Actually, I heard from the “old-timers” (it was “I heard” —not “read” and didn't “see”) that in Novorossiysk there were very few Germans, mostly Romanians and ... Georgians. That's where the "Georgians" came from - even I don’t know, but nonetheless I heard about their "presence". Maybe by “Georgians” some other “exotic” military units such as “Caucasian nationalists”, etc., were meant? It would be interesting to hear from the experts something about this .... And there were a lot of “Khivis”, mainly Crimean Tatars, Adyghe and others — they were just building the “notorious” “Blue Line”, by the way along the slopes of that valley which the Romanian trenches were flooded during the creation of the Neberdzhaevsky reservoir ...
  4. Assyrian
    Assyrian 11 September 2017 09: 27
    +4
    Thanks to the author for the whole cycle! If possible, would shake hands.
    I am sure that the youth who read the whole cycle will straighten their shoulders and will reach out to salute the heroism of Ts. L. Kunikova and Malozemeltsev.
    No gossip, no blasphemy will cancel the feat! (The dog barks, and the caravan goes).
    1. Mood Ozvon
      Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 19: 42
      0
      Lenya Brezhnev to praise it is absolutely not to be friends with the head, minus the article is obvious.
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 11 September 2017 10: 08
    0
    But the most win-win method was the national question. Everything is as old as the world. Find in the depths of the two great nations a dozen idiots, let them go to the media, and in a couple of years the news about the construction of the wall a la Ukraine will become more relevant in society than the construction of a hospital or school.

    This is already becoming. How to understand this?
    “The Czech Ministry of Defense decided to celebrate the centenary of the Czechoslovak Legion’s stay in Russia within the framework of the Legion 100 project by erecting monuments in 58 regions of the Russian Federation. So what makes the inhabitants of our country celebrate and remember?”
    Are there monuments to the enemies of Russia in Russia? Thanks to the author. Thank you for raising a very burning topic in this article.
    https://topwar.ru/124529-krovavyy-put-cherez-povo
    lzhe-belochehov-nevzlyubili-potomki-krasnyh-i-bel
    yh.html
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 11 September 2017 11: 10
      0
      “And what nation are you? What does it mean write what you want? What does it mean to put the spine in place? We have a strict Jewish register here, among other things

      -for me, anyone who works for the State and the good of people-- his own person, who is against ---. (point)
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 11 September 2017 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: antivirus
        “And what nation are you?

        Russian. And read the full material here. The Czechs gathered the legionnaires of the White Bohemian corps to erect monuments on the territory of Russia along the entire route of the White Bohemian corps to Vladivostok. Link above.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 13: 48
          -1
          Do not be killed like that, you will never be killed like that! laughing
          Go to the discussion of this topic and you will understand everything.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 11 September 2017 14: 15
          0
          -for me, anyone who works for the State and the good of people-- his own person, who is against ---. (point)
          thanks for the link
          who is against the country, that- PLACE FROM THE POINT
  6. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 13: 53
    -1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Of course this is ridiculously “lost 50000”

    What's so funny? Here it is necessary to cry from the level of command of the troops and the country and the ratios of losses.
    50000 is approximately. They have not lost anymore.
    Georgians and all sorts of Tatars are the “Khivis” of the Wehrmacht, they enter.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 11 September 2017 14: 17
      +1
      HALF A YEAR BACK BOARS OF PASSION ABOUT 1-2 MILLION "LOST WITHOUT" GERMANS ALREADY IN 60 GG
      only the heavis perished, and the gods are eternal
      but the heavis were enemies
      and they pulled their horses from the mud knee-deep and REACHED THE HAMBURG-TRIEST LINE
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 14: 20
        -1
        Alas, a half-Germans of the Germans are missing and not found.
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 14: 36
        -1
        The Americans reached Hamburg, and the British reached Trieste.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 11 September 2017 17: 48
          0
          ours to the outskirts of these cities, as divided zones from sea to sea
          and your reached what points?
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 18: 55
            -1
            One to Mariendorf on the Studerre, and the other on the Willis until the age of 47 wound from Breslau.
            I had a grandfather with three great grandfathers from Hamburg from Saransk, from which he walked with his feet.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 11 September 2017 19: 03
              +1
              AND EVERYTHING SHE IS GOING TO BACK - the gods against the horde - loss 1 to 50 or 1 to 20

              or are we modestly, not deserved, but won?
              when do you drink a stack - May 8 or 9?
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 19: 10
                0
                Quote: antivirus
                or 1 to 20

                In the Caucasus, alas, there aren’t many of them in the land, all of ours. Theme, unlike the smelly breeze I know with my hands
                Quote: antivirus
                or are we modestly, not deserved, but won?
                There is so much blood that my mother doesn’t cry. I do not like hat-making boys, this is not good.
                1. Mood Ozvon
                  Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 19: 49
                  +1
                  We hardly believe in such a loss ratio, but still not 41 years old. Even at 41, the ratio was less than 1 to 12 or something ... I don’t remember for sure. The Germans also lied to the master, there is something to say, but laziness, alas.
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 19: 52
                    -1
                    So our advances, and therefore the losses are so huge.
                    There were fruitless assaults on German fortifications, by the same holidays, there were unsuccessful landings, and so on. The same Little Earth drank blood, the Blue Line.
                    There were few prisoners, yes.
                    1. Koshnitsa
                      Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 20: 31
                      -1
                      As a result, from February to October 1943, Romanian troops lost 9.668 people (of whom 1.598 were killed, 7.264 wounded and 806 were missing)
                      Romanians still had losses, but they don’t coincide with the copyright ones.
                    2. Mood Ozvon
                      Mood Ozvon 11 September 2017 20: 58
                      +1
                      At first they retreated, then they attacked. For us, the aircraft already worked hard, for example. And the losses are worse than 41? Strange.
                      On the Internet, one dude wrote that the losses of the Germans in the war were many millions more than what they recognized, and even cited evidence that was not without common sense. Now it’s too lazy to remember, it seemed to be on the pikabu website, you can search there, and now there’s a discussion, .
                      1. Koshnitsa
                        Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 21: 30
                        -1
                        That ours draped up to the mountains.
                        Quote: Mood Ozwon
                        the loss of the Germans to the war is many millions more than they recognized
                        This is a complacency deception. There would be many millions of German skeletons found.
                        And here they come across in the projection is very rare.
                2. antivirus
                  antivirus 11 September 2017 21: 46
                  0
                  May 8 or 9, did not answer, does not drink, apparently
                  father spoke. that the Germans buried theirs as expected (in full profile) and during the retreat plowed the "cemeteries" - so as not to abuse
                  -This is just a village \ HOUSE OF AREA FOR OUR LAND RELATIONS
                  BECAUSE “THE BARBARS WOULD VIOLATED” - BY THE DECISION OF THE VILLAGE COUNCILS AND THE COLLECTIONS OF THE KOLKHOZES.
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 22: 04
                    -1
                    The question is moronic.
                    The Germans have all the documentation of those buried.
                    Ours generally did not bury, and after the war, too.
                    That's how the Romanians fought in the Kuban
                    In two days of fighting, the Romanian mountain rifle battalion lost 1 killed and 2 wounded.
                    Our 5 tanks, 350 only killed counted by Romanians.
                    http://iskatelklada.tuapse.ru/forum/vovhistory/60
                    4-rumyny-v-boyakh-na-kubani.html
                    This is Death Glade.
                    Killed sailors and cadets.
                    Read, get acquainted, draw conclusions.
                    1. Koshnitsa
                      Koshnitsa 11 September 2017 22: 43
                      -1
                      from the memoirs of the company of the 3rd GSD Romanian.

                      “January 14th. The Russians didn’t carry out attacks on that day. I decided to inspect the battlefield, taking some soldiers with us, we moved to the place of attack. A terrible picture appeared before us, hundreds of dead were lying in front of our positions, various weapons of ammunition and gas masks lay everywhere. Among the killed, I found one major, two captains and several lieutenants, at the first line of trenches I counted at least 50 killed Russians, I didn’t decide to go down below, the bodies of those killed were also visible below.

                      I ordered my soldiers to collect the weapons remaining on the battlefield, my subordinates tracked down four light machine guns, five machine guns, two anti-tank rifles, seven automatic rifles and 30 old-style rifles.

                      From the information received from the prisoners and the observations made during the battle, we learned that the defense of our 6th battalion at a height was attacked by three battalions of the 1st and 2nd 103rd cadet brigades (meaning 103 cadets) and the 3rd battalion 81 marine brigades. Each battalion totaled about 900 fighters. "
                      1. Mood Ozvon
                        Mood Ozvon 12 September 2017 00: 53
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                        At first, ours were draping (or rather retreating) to the mountains, then the Germans were draping in the opposite direction, and even faster. If you look across the territory, on the whole front, the Germans rolled back more in winter than they advanced in the summer. small. Although it may be in the Caucasus, it can be, although doubtful.
                      2. LeonidL
                        LeonidL 12 September 2017 07: 58
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                        Count the captured weapons and the number of "hundreds" of corpses. Didn’t they notice anything strange? Or did the rest of the dead manage to turn in weapons to the gun rooms? This is the first. The second, - “in one fell swoop a hundred beating” - paper will not tolerate this. Third, the losses of the Germans were calculated very original. For example, the Khiva’s losses were not taken into account at all, and each German division, according to the German General Staff, had from 2000 to 3000 “voluntary assistants”. Okay, heavi, but for example, repairmen, builders, support staff, and members of the Todda organization were not incurred in combat losses. Wehrmacht losses were not made, but the losses of the Waffen SS, but only the German ones, went separately. The rest of the Waffen ss - called very nicely - "native troops" and their losses were not interested in the German General Staff. The losses of the Hitler Youth and Volkssturm, auxiliary female personnel, SD, SA and police were not included in the losses of the Wehrmacht. At the last stage of the war, losses were not counted at all. And how funny the losses of armored vehicles were calculated! Four categories! Anything could be hidden there. very crafty statistics!
                    2. Mood Ozvon
                      Mood Ozvon 12 September 2017 01: 04
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                      Well, it’s already completely some kind of bullshit, although the paper will endure everything. Many people shouldn’t believe it.
                      Even if these are documents.
                      1. Mood Ozvon
                        Mood Ozvon 12 September 2017 01: 12
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                        As an option, a bunch of reports about the participation of the Finns in the battles near Moscow, but according to Finnish documents they were not there in any way.
                        Although in some cases, anything could have happened, of course. As two of our attack aircraft burned a station with a bunch of echelons on free hunting, how many people, equipment and fuel were killed there? A lot - and this is also the Caucasus, by the way. What is this saying? Just successful departure
                    3. LeonidL
                      LeonidL 12 September 2017 08: 02
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                      Oh, I, I am Romanian soldier ist gut! Read, get acquainted, draw conclusions, but don’t remove noodles from your ears, dear!
  7. LeonidL
    LeonidL 12 September 2017 07: 49
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    Kunikov is first of all a Soviet patriot, a Soviet man, a hero of a marine. Everything else is secondary and not so important.
  8. Mood Ozvon
    Mood Ozvon 12 September 2017 13: 40
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    Leonid.
    Yeah, I agree.
    Frequent German type reports: 1500 partisans were killed. Trophies: 7 rifles and one machine gun.
    PS I read a lot of German documents.
  9. Palch
    Palch 14 September 2017 13: 26
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    Dear opponents, when calculating the combat losses of the warring parties, do not forget about the increasing loss coefficient of the attacking side. It doesn’t matter who and on whom is attacking - in defense (warfare tactics of the times of the Great Patriotic War) a priori losses are less than about 3-4 times less. It’s not worthwhile to compare the period summer - autumn 1941 when the Red Army seemed to be on the defensive but actually suffered losses greater than upcoming. There is a special case.