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The John McCain Incident: Spoofing No One Has Seen

As the InoTV, Internet resource Snopes considered the reasons that could lead to the collision of the American destroyer "John McCain" with the merchant ship 21 of August in the Strait of Malacca, which recently became the fourth such case in the US Navy.

The John McCain Incident: Spoofing No One Has Seen

According to the portal, Russia has opportunities for hacking into GPS systems, but experts doubt that the hacker attack was the culprit of the incident.

However, according to Snopes, such frequent repetition of incidents with American ships leads to the idea that the accidents were not accidental. Moreover, there are certain reasons for this:

After all, China and Russia have already successfully tested their potential for conducting cyberwar at sea.

In this regard, there are concerns that the available technologies, which make it possible to perform GPS spoofing, any person or government could apply. University of Texas professor Todd Humphreys took control of a yacht in the Mediterranean for demonstration purposes in 2013 by sending false GPS signals to the ship using the overhead drone.

But the publication believes that such a scenario with the US Navy ships is unlikely, since they have expensive and state-of-the-art equipment on board. Moreover, the watch is quite a lot of people. At the same time, merchant ships have electronics that are not so advanced and usually only one crew member takes over on duty.

It would be much easier to replace the signal for a commercial vessel and direct it towards the US Navy ship.
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  1. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 25 August 2017 11: 46
    The harder the equipment, the steeper the breakdown will be. Sometimes, instead of a joystick, I really want to pick up an old proven helm. Simple and reliable.
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 25 August 2017 11: 55
      It looks like an electronic warfare. On January 31 of this year, the US missile cruiser Antietam flew over stones in Tokyo Bay. Demolished the screws and tore the bottom. On May 9 of the same year, the US Navy missile cruiser Lake Champlain collided with a Korean seiner, receiving damage. Finally, on June 17, the US Navy destroyer Fitzgerald collided with a merchant ship off the coast of Japan. Now damaged destroyer John McCain.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 25 August 2017 12: 10
        and what does the electronic war have to do with it? ... and who leads it against whom? ... again, the Khibines do not give rest? ...
        ... accident was, is and always will be in any fleet ...
        the more ships in the fleet and the large KOH (operational voltage coefficient), the greater the likelihood of accidents ... both navigational and technical ...
        in the days of the USSR, when the number of ships was ten times larger than the current one and KOH was simply beyond the limit (military services, duty, exercises, etc.), the accident rate was also high ... no less than that of staff members .. .a in terms of the number of recessed NK and submarines, the union was generally “ahead of the rest” ...
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 25 August 2017 12: 16
          GPS readings are shifting. Search the internet. The same shift in GPS readings last year happened near the Moscow Kremlin. According to the testimony of the equipment, the cars were in the area of ​​Sheremetyevo Airport.
          1. kepmor
            kepmor 25 August 2017 12: 28
            I don’t argue ... only the "testimony" can be issued by the one who issues them ... in the situation with the "McCain" what the hell is this for amers? ...
            1. Zibelew
              Zibelew 25 August 2017 12: 34
              Amers does not need this displacement. This is someone else. In the case of the McCain destroyer, careful researchers on photo and video materials indicate the following:
              “It is striking that the nose bulb of an explosive tanker hit the gun cellar of the anti-ship missiles RGM-84 (Harpoon). More precisely, in the launchers of these missiles. "

          2. demo
            demo 25 August 2017 12: 29
            Now how? Normalized or what?
            Can you check?
          3. serzh70
            serzh70 27 August 2017 02: 30
            What are the gps readings? To prevent collisions running the radar around the clock. Without its presence and the presence of a duplicate, no ship will be released into the sea according to international laws. Modern stations are equipped with dangerous proximity alarms. I once studied radio engineering at a maritime school. Among the stations then was the latest for the USSR "Naiad 5". I don’t remember the exact distances (30 years since), but from about 2 miles there was a beep that squealed intermittently until the ships parted. From the 1st mile a shipboard emergency alarm was given, the captain must arrive at the bridge. On military vessels the same equipment. And then the divergence of the ships according to international rules: on the left side if on the opposite courses, interference on the right, when intersecting. Exceptions are only for fishermen traveling with a trawl and it seems for passengers. So the Americans just behaved like our nouveau riche on the road: those who sharpened it cooler had priority.
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 25 August 2017 13: 45
        Yes, for those head-nosed people now that the Russians are to blame, the dog with her electronics, and the binoculars on the posts, blackened with black papers, were sticky or they drunk there like pigs, and the answer is simple.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 25 August 2017 18: 54
        Quote: Zibelew
        It looks like an electronic warfare

        Yes, something is too bent, to whom they tries ... need to tread them? Everything is simpler and no need to invent, just exclusivity crushes!
    2. Ziksura
      Ziksura 25 August 2017 12: 55
      And here is a tricked out equipment and hacking. Sloppiness (if you use the analogue of another more suitable Russian word, but forbidden by the rules of the site). Reasons: sloppy school education (graduates of elite schools in the Navy do not serve), the feeling of exceptionality soaked up with a mother’s hammer only on the basis of “because we are America !!!!”, genderism and egocentrism. And the result is a universal distribution .... in. Look at the roads. People with similar views on themselves beloved fight and kill others in the first place. Cool b.lin.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 August 2017 14: 32
        Quote: Ziksura
        soaked with a mother’s hammer[i] [/ i] a sense of exclusivity

        Great and out of place ... laughing hi
  2. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 25 August 2017 11: 48
    The commander of the 7 fleet was removed. Attempts to justify by "spoofing" the racket of the watch commanders (officers) is an attempt to portray a beautiful face in a bad game!
    (No, don’t roll spoofing ... hands are crooked! yes )
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 25 August 2017 12: 44
      Nah ... with their hands, everything is fine ... they rake in everything that is possible ...
      but pride and arrogance more than enough ... the Yankees at all times messed around in the sea ... "traditions" they have ...
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 August 2017 14: 34
        Quote: kepmor
        Yankees at all times mess around in the sea ..

        Well Duc ... they demand the lighthouse to urgently get off course ... wassat
    2. Seaman77
      Seaman77 25 August 2017 20: 11
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      No, do not roll "spoofing" ... hands are crooked! yes

      They are absolutely right. It seems that all the same thing is in "crooked hands." Passed the Strait of Singapore the day after the collision. It turned out that the accident occurred outside the traffic separation system. Here is a photo of the map with location and NAVTEX with coordinates. The dashed line is the border of the SRD. THOSE. in addition to the rules 5-Observation, 6-Safe speed, 7-Collision hazard, 8-Actions to prevent collision, the rule 10 p v1, b3 and d was violated.
      A vessel using a traffic separation system should:
      follow in the corresponding lane in the general direction of the traffic flow adopted on it;
      in general, enter the lane or leave it in the final sections, but if the vessel leaves the lane or enters it from the side, it should do it at the smallest possible angle to the general direction of the flow of movement.
      Ships that can safely use the appropriate lane in the separation system for transit passage, should not, in general, use coastal areas.

      1. Seaman77
        Seaman77 25 August 2017 20: 52
        Not far from the accident site, at McCain's course, there is an anchorage. IMHO, the situation developed like this: McCain lane on the side of the road until he ran into the parking lot and decided to take it sharply to the left and slip under the nose of KAMAZ. It didn’t work out. wassat
        Talking about turning off the RPS signal is not worth a damn. As good maritime practice requires, in areas of coastal navigation, vessel positioning is carried out visually and using radar. ZhPS for the ocean. This is an axiom for the skipper. We do not even have Filipino helpers doing such things. And if the American navigator when navigating in the narrowness is determined by the ZhPS, this only confirms their low qualification. There are at least two good reference points in the clash area — the Horsburgh Lighthouse and another lighthouse with the unpronounceable Malay name.
        Below in the photo is a diving boat at the scene of the accident. Behind him, ships anchored from which McCain turned away are visible.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 25 August 2017 20: 58
          Search and rescue work in the area of ​​the lighthouse Horsburg. He is in the photo.
          1. Seaman77
            Seaman77 25 August 2017 21: 02
            A container ship overtakes me. If I take it to the left, I will repeat McCain’s feat. laughing
            1. Seaman77
              Seaman77 25 August 2017 21: 09
              Poor fellow Alnic MC anchored in Changi Navy Base awaits his fate.

              He is. In the center, a distant, black body.

              McCain based on the Singapore Navy Changzhi (poorly visible - it was far away). USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD-6) is moored nearby.

              And finally, Sentosa in the rays of the setting sun ... good
  3. Glory1974
    Glory1974 25 August 2017 11: 51
    4 times in recent years is clearly not an accident. By the way, an accident is an unclear regularity. So it may well be that hacking took place.
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 25 August 2017 12: 12
      An article has appeared in New Scientist.
      "Reports of problems with satellite navigation on the Black Sea suggest that Russia is experiencing a new GPS" spoofing "system (spoofing attack is a situation in which one person or program successfully disguises itself as another by falsifying data and allows obtaining illegal advantages)" - says the material of the popular science publication. On June 22, the United States Merchant Fleet Administration received a message: the ship's captain near Novorossiysk discovered that GPS had incorrectly set its location: it was allegedly on land at the Gelendzhik airport. After making sure that the equipment itself was working properly, the captain contacted neighboring vessels and found: signals from the aeronautical information service indicated that they were all at the same airport. This has affected at least 20 ships. "
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 25 August 2017 12: 34
        if true, then overly glad and proud of our hackers ...
        it turns out that now and tomahawks can "powder my brains" ... BROADCASTING ....
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 August 2017 13: 12
      Quote: glory1974
      So it may well be that hacking took place.

      Sailors on the site - the cat cried, shipowners - too.
      So, for especially gifted "hackers": - tactical maneuvering is never carried out without preliminary calculations by the navigator on the maneuverable tablet (as well as the BIC!). The task is simple, like an 2 finger on the asphalt - a high-speed triangle and a close approach point are the whole point! Therefore, the officer in charge sets the course-speed of maneuver in relative motion., Continuing to follow the evolution of the target, which is at variance with. And no GPS is needed ... We need eyes, an understanding and speed of reaction in the evolution of the target.
      But the fact that the new generation * of shipowners * sometimes does not know from which end to approach the sextant, not to mention making amendments to it or solving the task of tactical maneuvering on the Sh-29 - that’s what the school of ship navigation is called! For some reason, both last destroyers "crawled" under the "bridges" civilians ... And no one can say where the officers were on duty? Why did they make a collision?
      We have a commander’s shift on the bridge (running post). Yes, the head officer or CEP can doze off in the left armchair, but the officer on duty will never climb into the right armchair of the cop and stretch his legs on the repeater of the Civil Code, will not require a cup of tea from the vest ...
      How VO behave in the civilian fleet - legends go ... (although they cannot be trusted either). But there is no smoke without fire. There are all the pros!
      Therefore, I thought and continue to count - the fault for navigational accidents related to bulk and collisions of ships lies entirely with the shipowners! the organization of the running post and the clarity of its interaction with the BIC, the navigator.
      1. Oznob
        Oznob 25 August 2017 13: 48
        That yes, they will recruit children in the fleet, hanging with them all year round. I agree. Just sloppiness.
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 25 August 2017 13: 51
        Well, at least someone chewed that the ship first of all needs brains and experience, without which all systems are scrap.
      3. alstr
        alstr 25 August 2017 14: 43
        I immediately recall Zadornov and his feuilleton about the American aircraft carrier
      4. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 25 August 2017 15: 59
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        so it’s called a shipbuilding school!

        Damn it, neither diminish nor add ... hi
  4. pvv113
    pvv113 25 August 2017 11: 54
    In all obscure situations, the Anglo-Saxons will blame Russian hackers
  5. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 25 August 2017 11: 57
    At a distance of visibility of the vessel going to the intersection, GPS is used? The steering group, the radars are no longer needed? But what about the MPPSS. Or, as in the joke about the US aircraft carrier.
    1. Shadow of darkness
      Shadow of darkness 25 August 2017 12: 32
      Apparently, someone drove along the deck of "squirrels", but they officially want to justify the crew and pull the owl on the globe.
    2. demo
      demo 25 August 2017 12: 34
      He drew attention to the direction of impact.
      Apparently the destroyer was trying to slip under the nose of a heavy truck.
      I remembered a joke about Constipation and KAMAZ.
      Well, I think I'll get through! I thought the driver of constipation.
      Yes, you’ll get a hell out of me! The driver of KAMAZ thought.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 25 August 2017 12: 47
        Well, if you take the dimensions. That’s something like that. You can add the specifics of the nose of this tanker, and a double hull. It’s the best fit for a battering ram. That’s why the yankers don’t go, to remain innocent, and fluffy
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 August 2017 11: 59
    After all, China and Russia have already successfully tested their potential for conducting cyberwar at sea.

    The simplest thing is to transfer your sins and oversights to others. And even if Russia and China (hypothetically)? Information for consideration - is it worth it to come into conflict with such countries that even without the use of missiles can drown an American ship.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 25 August 2017 12: 20
      Fine. Let them understand, and hide the fleet at the bases. The less practice the adversary has, the better.
    2. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 25 August 2017 13: 57
      the problem is that they use logic very rarely on the residual principle, as in an anecdote, the pope shows his son Russia on the map- "here is our son, our motherland, big and beautiful," "dad, what is this?", "Europe is a son" , "and what is that speck?", "this is Germany's son", "dad and Hitler looked at the map before attacking us?"))
  7. VAZ2106
    VAZ2106 25 August 2017 12: 02
    So it was done maliciously?
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 August 2017 12: 02
    Loss of professionalism - are these Russian hackers?
    CARLSON 25 August 2017 12: 04
    Well, they affected the GPS, but it looked like a saboteur on the ship, who also blindfolded the entire shift shift.
    Just stupid snobbishness on the part of the Amers, like we are the coolest and everything should give way to us, and the reefs, shallows and shores part in front of their ships.
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 25 August 2017 13: 58
      that’s a fair wind to them in their hunchback, it’s good that there are enough reefs for their entire fleet)))
  10. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 25 August 2017 12: 14
    Again, 3.14ndos are to blame for the Russians and Chinese! This country is completely crazy about Russophobia and headed for an armed clash with Russia, demonizing us for any reason. The Russians beat Napoleon, beat Hitler, and beat Trump.
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 25 August 2017 14: 01
      this country has gone astray on the basis of its own "exclusivity", which does not correspond to reality at all, bifurcation and hello shiz for the whole "exceptional country".
  11. sir_obs
    sir_obs 25 August 2017 12: 17
    What nonsense what zhps at a divergence of the ships? They have an Aigis there, which monitors everything around and gives a full overview under water on water and in the air in navigation mode.
    Or don't they look around at all? The watch officer and signalmen all suddenly left the bridge? They drive some bullshit.
    My classmate was with them on an aircraft carrier in the middle earth when they were still likely friends. And he talked about the organization on the chassis. the Americans then understood that it was impossible to trust a computer blindly and took over our "grandfather" experience working on paper tablets and the soldier ran to the wing of the bridge with a manual range finder to clarify the data on the computer.
    There are simply not enough qualified specialists already employed, they have already greatly reduced the requirements for candidates for the fleet because of this.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 August 2017 13: 55
      Quote: sir_obs
      and the soldier ran to the wing of the bridge with a manual range finder to clarify the computer data.
      Not an optical, but a manual (in the sense of - tamed?) Range finder? not a sextant? (according to the known linear value: - height, or length - and the angle taken up to seconds on the target, you can calculate the distance - tables, nomograms) and directly rangefinder?
      And how did he update the computer data? Maybe after all ... a navigation radar? Well, or there ... the report of the signalman, who determined the distance with the improvised method, to his convex naval eye?
      Looks like it’s everything they have, it turns out, it’s something that has been started .... FUCK! laughing
  12. Kerensky
    Kerensky 25 August 2017 12: 22
    A good ship is the merit of the commander. The ship is bad, - the old shit! (FROM)
  13. Shadow of darkness
    Shadow of darkness 25 August 2017 12: 41
    No navigation system gives the right to ignore the environment and comply with the rules of shipping. In their car, they also only ride on the navigator, or are they still looking at the road?
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 August 2017 12: 58
    ... let the meerkatos sit on the shore, and they think of the gulls, since they can’t travel by sea ... laughing ... rightly presumptuous and not any condolences .. angry
    1. AUL
      AUL 25 August 2017 13: 30
      They don’t go by the sea - they go by the sea! Even the mericatos.
  15. Operator
    Operator 25 August 2017 13: 44
    China went on the warpath (the answer for the entry of American ships into the territorial waters of the PRC in the Spratly archipelan) bully
  16. arane
    arane 25 August 2017 15: 37
    Bullshit! It was in this matter that I am a dock, for a long time I was in command of a unit, one of the functions of which was precisely to ensure navigational and tactical maneuvering of the ship. What hack, what GPS? For normally trained crew in good weather, visual observation is enough to control the situation. Yes, in conditions of limited visibility a location is needed.
    According to the 72 ipps Ave. 5, all vessels must conduct proper visual and auditory observation, as well as observation using all available means

    Categorically it is impossible to rely solely on technical means, if there is the possibility of visual and auditory observation.

    I will not give a full analysis. Write a lot. In this case, the fault will be mutual.
    Based on negligence and arrogant self-confidence.
    And the most important rule: give way to a fool
  17. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 August 2017 15: 44
    The Pentagon needs to teach its exceptional "captains" elementary Rules of Shipping, and not look for cyber Martians with a shot down scope of pi es.
  18. sgazeev
    sgazeev 25 August 2017 16: 58
    Syndrome of the Spanish lighthouse. drinks
  19. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 25 August 2017 18: 42
    I constantly use GPS at work, we notice the last couple of years: at about 5.30 - 6.00 it starts to glitch hard, then the signal disappears, then the mark rushes around, sometimes it shows that we are where the hell knows where. Such rubbish every morning. Maybe they carry out some regulations, or something else, I don’t know. But the agronomist, the bastard, constantly looks at the tracks, and try to explain to him that it’s not you, but the Americans are odd. feel
  20. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 25 August 2017 20: 06
    Still, Kremlin hackers have established! Wow, the buggers! tongue
  21. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 25 August 2017 21: 21
    Yeah ... that means we were attacked))))))))))

    But a military type parachute does not have the ability to maneuver when it sees that a trough weighing 100 thousand tons and 300 meters long is going to collide with it ???
  22. Bob 57
    Bob 57 26 August 2017 10: 33
    Phrases and Bases on Independent!
  23. Galleon
    Galleon 26 August 2017 12: 59
    As the old naval wisdom says: "Fear the sea of ​​a fisherman and a sailor."
    Horseradish shipowners. So they shoot the same way.
  24. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 28 August 2017 03: 53
    You can already cover up ignorance of the rules of navigation and the complete lack of discipline in the US Navy.