India approved the purchase of two turbines for frigates from Ukraine

On Thursday, the Commission on Defense Procurement of India approved the purchase from Ukraine of two sets of gas turbines for the 11356 frigates for 76 million dollars, reported RIA News source in the Ministry of Defense of India.

Initially, frigates were intended for the Black Sea fleet RF, but the construction was suspended due to the lack of power plants that were previously supplied from Ukraine. The fact that India will independently purchase power plants from Ukraine was announced last October by Maonhar Parrikar, who was then head of the Indian Ministry of Defense.

According to him, the turbines will be transferred to Russia for installation on frigates under construction there. Answering the question whether the issue was resolved regarding the power plants for the two remaining frigates that will be built in India, he replied that this question would be decided later as the contract was fulfilled.

Russia and India signed an agreement on the supply of frigates of the 11356 project in October last year following negotiations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Goa. The agreement involves the construction of two frigates in Russia and two - in Indian shipyards.

Initially, the frigates were intended for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, but construction was suspended due to the absence of power plants, which were previously supplied from Ukraine. The fact that India will buy power plants from Ukraine, in October last year, said Maonhar Parrikar, who headed the Indian Ministry of Defense at the time.

Comments

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

These brahmanas themselves do not know what they want.
Light fighter of the 5th generation: either we don’t want it or we’ll buy more than 100.
With ships the same crap was and will be.
Unpromising IMHO partner. If you work without technology transfer.

[Zibelew]

In my opinion, the creators of the Kama Sutra know what they are doing.

[210ox]

Yes, there’s still that perversion with elements of acrobatics ....

Quote: Zibelew

In my opinion, the creators of the Kama Sutra know what they are doing.

[Zibelew]

USC offers 2 frigates to sell India with Ukrainian gas turbines, and build oneself from 0 already under a new project, plus the completion of Admiral Kornilov.

[Inok10]

Quote: Zibelew

In my opinion, the creators of the Kama Sutra know what they are doing.

Quote: 210ox

Yes, there’s still that perversion with elements of acrobatics ....

... they know perfectly well what they are doing ... the first three 11356 were back in 2004 ... guessed why? ... it's just NZ ZIP that no one knows what will happen to Zorya-Mashproekt tomorrow ... and the answer is simple and unpretentious ... stock pocket, does not pull ...

Quote: Zibelew

USC offers 2 frigates to sell India with Ukrainian gas turbines, and build oneself from 0 already under a new project, plus the completion of Admiral Kornilov.

... go down the branch and read what the Ambassador of India to Russia said ... two ships in Russia on the Yantar ... already as half a year he wrote about this, insider gave you ... people, do you even read do you know how? ...

[alexmach]

By the way, a lie, very practical and in certain places an idyllic book.

[Anarchist]

If only as a guide to apply - `` How to conduct a dialogue with partners. ''

[Alex_Rarog]

Just the same they know. And I think if everything goes well then they will remain the winner. Although xs whether Ukraine will be able to supply them with turbines ...

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

Our 2 paid, but not sent (two of the second three 11356P). Brahmins will receive them; do not hesitate.

[Solomon Kane]

I don’t understand, but what do our watchtowers go to? What are they not satisfied with the Indians?

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

On Zoryamashevsky. We do not have a gas turbine for the VFM and it is not known when they will be. 2022. Not before. Ordered 6, paid 6, received 4. "Brothers" cho. "Partners". Now the brahmanas for pennies in 404 2 sets will also receive an unfinished pair of TFRs, too, most likely.
Most likely these 6 pieces 11356 last. Because they were ordered to KChM not from a good life, but because of troubles from Polyment at 22350. As you know, the troubles didn’t disappear, but 11356 are now considered to be not “modern” and not “satisfying” a separate small batch of native Ukrov gas turbines no one will do it.

[alexmach]

No need to breed a panic. We’ll also see how it will be.
It was previously reported that
1. Indian ships will be built from scratch to transfer technology to the Indians
2. The mortgaged corps will be completed for the WWII of the Russian Federation.
3. A power plant can be used based on the engines currently being developed by Saturn (they are still needed to replace the maintenance of the ships currently installed, the only thing is that the power plant is of higher priority for 22350)

This is of course a positive scenario, as it actually will be - we’ll still see.

[Reserve officer]

Something tells me that such cooperation with Ukraine will end at the stage of stealing advances.

[sabakina]

There is an option, India's purchase of these frigates from Russia at full cost. But we will not know this ...

[210ox]

And how the other will look at it .. I wanted to say "partner" .. But for the site this word is not good. They also passed a law there that neither the third countries.

Quote: Resident of Mordor

These brahmanas themselves do not know what they want.
Light fighter of the 5th generation: either we don’t want it or we’ll buy more than 100.
With ships the same crap was and will be.
Unpromising IMHO partner. If you work without technology transfer.

[g1v2]

India is our largest buyer. Some enterprises were saved in due time only thanks to their contracts. There are hundreds of purchased Su30 and T90 and a new contract for two hundred turntables. Th Indians have the right to prankish. However, a hundred joint fighters of the 5th generation are most likely just intentions, since the fighter is not in nature yet, and so far only Su57 is suitable for us.

[alexmach]

Without a transfer, it will not work. For them, this is a fundamental requirement, and for us one of the main trump cards.

[Karaul73]

There is money that they want and do it. And where is the import substitution? Blown away?

[Tusv]

Well, when does Saturn say its weighty word. We have been waiting for three years

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

Regarding the gas turbine at 11356 it seems that no when.

[Tusv]

Quote: Resident of Mordor

Regarding the gas turbine at 11356 it seems that no when.

Well, no, and no vote for Putin

[Roman 11]

Quote: Tusv

Well, no, and no vote for Putin

Do you measure the vote for the president with deals? Strange, they have so many problems.

[avt]

Quote: Tusv

Well, when does Saturn say its weighty word. We have been waiting for three years

MAKE YOURSELF I already said - they showed the GDP stand, now they will do it ... BUT first of all for 22350. And 11356 should have been BORN instead of 20380. Well, it’s quite a logical decision - consider three buildings ready and they want to assemble one at home. So they will give the Indians two sets of dvigla, let the third do it on ex ,, Istomina. ”But we pray as soon as we finish 22350 Dopilit this three for new turbines - it’s easier and faster to lay down and deliver an aircraft carrier.

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

The Navy command did not like the beam "Calm" as in the Indians. And the idea of ​​12-18 pieces seemed to be soaring ...
And 22350 - that's it! Finished up. It looks like we’ll complete 4 pieces, and there is a new rake on the old face - 22350M! What time!

[The leader of the Redskins]

No matter how you replace the import, but it still doesn’t come out ... Say halva a hundred times - it won’t become sweeter ...

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

Oh come on. It is necessary to want to replace, and not by zomboyaschik, tales of the Alconauts to poison.
JV Stalin also wanted the second five-year plan of 5 and a little bit of industrial giant plants, which they still cannot finish off. And Putin, on TV for 000 years, has been chasing one and the same Laibes, and his feat is estimated at 16! enterprises (and even fake ) for a dozen years.
Sovereignty must be in the head of the "elites." And if they have a granny in the banks of European homosexuals then then:

And about the 500 lard, the old man was still modest.

[Pirogov]

Quote: Citizen of Mordor

Sovereignty must be in the head of the "elites." And if they have a granny in the banks of European homosexuals then then:

I completely agree with you and the only way out is to put a bolt on this money, and put their owners in coffins, then it will be good.

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

Yes.
The idea is not fresh but effective! I AM FOR!

[Tusv]

Quote: Resident of Mordor

And Putin, on TV for 16 years, has been chasing one and the same laibou

I will stand up for Putin. Stalin had half a moth of the overrun, who stepped on our land. Vladimir Vladimirovich does not have this. high-class Beals with the prefix De somehow self-destructed

[sabakina]

Quote: Tusv

Well, when does Saturn say its weighty word. We have been waiting for three years

“Way to Saturn”, “End of Saturn”, “Fight after victory” .... Whoever does not believe, let him not see!

[Tusv]

Quote: sabakin

“Way to Saturn”, “End of Saturn”, “Fight after victory” .... Whoever does not believe, let him not see!

O. Brother. This is a horror film, they themselves are to blame for the fact that the slogan "These Russians" is for some reason used exclusively in BDSM

[sabakina]

Oh Diabolo! Now you have to revise this film and look for Russian BDSM! Oh uterus boska! ....

[Svarog51]

Glory, welcome Why guess on the coffee grounds? You can try to refer to the "source". Vladimir vovanpain is our fellow countryman from Rybinsk, if my sclerosis does not fail me, he’s working on Saturn. Details cannot be disclosed to him, but I think the "fog of war" will help dispel. It's just that he has not been seen for a long time, maybe on vacation.

[DEPARTMENT]

An interesting situation ...

turbines will be transferred to Russia for installation on frigates under construction there.

That's just interesting. what will the money paid to Ukraine go ..? The schemes are tricky and figs understand

[Solomon Kane]

Vitaly, nothing! But, as today our Proton started, ,,,,,,,

[Tusv]

Quote: Solomon Kane

But, as our Proton started today

A common thing for a space power number times

[Jedi]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

what will the money paid to Ukraine go ..?

Put the question not quite correctly: not "on what", but "in whose pocket". The answer is obvious, huh?

[sabakina]

Vital, it’s immediately obvious that you are not a banker! Money to me, then to him, for taking it from me! Mdyayaya, it is easier to plow a field ...

[kefan]

Yes, it’s a pity that we won’t get these ships.

[dvina71]

Quote: kefan

but it’s a pity that we won’t get these ships.

Why did they get the idea that THESE ships will be sold to them? It is clearly said - 2 WILL be built. Those that are already made to meet the needs of the RF VF, the engine will begin to receive 18g. The test bench is already operational.

Research and development works carried out by NPO Saturn are carried out in accordance with the imports substitution program being implemented with the aim of developing and mastering the production of domestic ship units, as well as replacing the previously installed Ukrainian gas turbine engines in Russian ships.

OKR "M90FR" - development work on the development of the gas-turbine engine M90FR with a capacity of 27 hp as part of the import substitution of mass production. to ensure the complete set of diesel-gas turbine unit M500R. It is carried out under the state contract between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and PJSC NPO Saturn of 55. Completion date is December 2014.

At present, the design documentation has been worked out and refined, work has been completed on the technological preparation of production, and experimental gas turbine engines have been manufactured. For the remaining period of R&D, it is planned to carry out special factory and qualification tests of the M90FR gas turbine engine.

OKR “Unit DKVP” - development work on the development of the M70FRU-2 gas turbine engine and the ship’s GTA M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R with a capacity of 10 hp. It is carried out under the state contract of 000 between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and PJSC NPO Saturn. The deadline is December 2014.

To date, the design documentation for the gas turbine engine and units M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R has been developed, work has been done on the technological preparation of production, experimental gas turbine engines have been manufactured. For the remaining development period, it is planned to conduct special factory, acceptance tests and interagency tests of the M70FRU engine, gas turbine units M35R-1, M35R-2 and M70R.

OKR “M70FRU-R” (“reverse”) - development work on the development of the M70FRU-R engine with a reversible power turbine to replace foreign-made engines in operation on ships of the Russian Federation. Design and development work is carried out under the state contract of 2014 between the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and PJSC NPO Saturn. The deadline is December 2017.

[kefan]

Well, God forbid, of course.

[dvina71]

Quote: kefan

Well, God forbid, of course.

You probably have a poor idea of ​​how a series of ships is being built .. So ALL equipment for the entire series is ordered immediately. What comes of this? It turns out that in Kaliningrad there are three ships without turbines, but having the rest of the set of components. And a lot of this will simply have to be thrown out if the ships are sold to the Indians. And for reasons of secrecy and just Indians will require inclusion in the project, say Elbit, for equipment. Navigation is still from someone .. What follows from this? It’s easier to wait a couple of years and postpone the deadlines, the losses are an order of magnitude smaller and the Fleet will eventually receive its frigates.

[Anarchist]

Of course it’s a pity, but we will build new ones for the money from the sale, and we will also develop power plants. It is good that the ships did not lay dead weight.

[kefan]

Well, yes, we’ll build, do, develop, the question is only when. I am generally silent about the acceptance of new ships in the fleet, but it’s a shame for the Power, as the famous hero said.

[Anarchist]

There is another question already, to those in power. How many ships would we build if they didn’t take bribes?

[dvina71]

Quote: Anarchist

There is another question already, to those in power. How many ships would we build if they didn’t take bribes?

The answer is ... a bit. A warship is not a trading vessel. 90s is a failure in the military development of our country. Only now the projects started back in the union are being realized, I'm talking about pr.855 .. You can build a bunch of cases .. they won’t rivet how fast .. and what will we equip with? Inclined PU of the main caliber? Air defense - wasp? Means of detecting submarines .. Also from the 80s we’ll supply parabolic antennas? .. And what will we have? Brand new relic .. this is money down the drain.
We have no problems with Project 636 ... thanks to foreign orders, he lived and developed. By the way, the calibers were installed and tested on a Hindu boat. RTOs .. they are not so heavily loaded equipment and in fact are PU for missiles. (I greatly simplify this). But larger ships require serious saturation with equipment and new weapons. "Gorshkova" how many torture? But it will be a destroyer ... tons of 8000-10000 .. how many will we test new mechanisms and weapons on it .. 15 years?
Now there is a restoration of the planned rhythmic work of shipbuilders. The Abraham ran out. Plants complete the upgrade. There are no miracles .. and a 10-year developmental failure must be overcome.

[zivXP]

We must do everything ourselves in the military-industrial complex, there is potential. There are many enterprises in the country, they need to be developed. And not just the favorites.

[Anarchist]

Here either to excommunicate officials from protection, or to each enterprise according to the official.
Sounds like a slogan.

[besleney59.]

there is nothing sadder than unfinished and rotting ships. if the remaining 11356s are not destined to fly under the Russian flag, let them fly under the Indian one .. but the dawn-mashproekt, and in its present far from the best form, will put the GTA on them, in fact a part has already been made

[irazum]

Do not worry! "Trampoline Man" will come and fix everything right!

[VadimSt]

Russian property is being arrested in favor of paying off the debts of foreign investors, and so on, and why Russia, having paid for these turbines, did not submit documents for the arrest, at least the turbines, even the accounts of their payment, if they went outside the Outskirts?

[Reserve officer]

Absolutely the right question. In the same series - why Russia does not initiate the development of sanctions against Ukraine for the supply of rocket engines to North Korea. The gentlemen, who make up 1% of Russia's population, do not want to lose their business and their assets there.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Reserve officer

why Russia does not initiate the development of sanctions against Ukraine for the supply of rocket engines to North Korea

What for? This is not a problem for Russia, we have nothing to share with them, but the United States. So let them twitch.

[Alex777]

Quote: Resident of Mordor

Ordered 6, paid 6, received 4.

Have you seriously written this? Which 6 did you order? Which 4 received?

[Msta]

First of all, frigates 11356 need to be completed for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, albeit with Ukrainian turbines, allegedly obtained for Indians, and then Indians can be built with domestic turbines. India the Black Sea coast of Russia will not defend and the Syrian express will also escort.

[Holoy]

Well, where is the import substitution? Is Rogozin bluffing?

[Neputin]

It seems to me that everyone should already understand the absolutely obvious thing - import substitution at the present time is a myth for "domestic use". It is clear to any sane and non-blind person that he simply does not exist. Neither in the military nor in the civilian sphere. Look around you in the end !!! What is the name of your split system, washing machine, hood in the kitchen, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner? Well, certainly not Vyatka, not Oka, nor Cyclone, not a single Russian name. If we do not know how to do this bullshit, then where to military products. Maybe our computers are mass-produced on their own components and software? Did not see. And the frigates seem to have nevertheless pumped. For some reason I’m not even surprised. All this is bitter and insulting.

[Sewer krainiy]

As far as I know, turbines for ships were supplied by the Southern Turbine Plant (UTZ) in Nikolaev. There were also three shipyards (ChSZ, 61 Kommunara, "Ocean"), for which (and not only) these turbines were supplied. But recently there was information that UTZ went bankrupt ... (shipyards collapsed, do not work) so I don’t know, maybe somewhere else in Ukraine they produce turbines for ships ... Yes, and there was information that Russia already has its own turbines are being produced under the import substitution program (will soon be released).

[sailor52]

7 May 1954 of the year issued a decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR to create a base for the production of gas turbines. According to this decree, the Minister of Heavy Machinery Nikolai Kazakov [3] 18 May 1954 of the year issued an order to read: [1] [4]

“Specialize the Southern Turbine Plant of the Ministry of Heavy Machine Building for the production of experimental and serial gas turbine units, primarily for ships of the Navy. Director of the Southern Turbine Plant Chumichev and I. O. Berezina, chief engineer of Glavturboprom, to organize a special design bureau for gas turbine installations at the Southern Turbine Plant of the Ministry of Heavy Engineering.
By the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR on April 12 of 1961 No. 530-0046, the Mashproekt All-Union Design Bureau was separated from the plant (Southern Turbine Plant) into an independent self-supporting organization with experimental workshops and a research station. [1] Mashproject engaged in the development and manufacture of experimental and head samples of gas turbine equipment. The main serial manufacturer of these developments was "Production Association" Zorya "."

1 January 1989 was established on the basis of the “Mashproekt” Union Design Bureau “Mashproekt” Scientific and Production Association. The association includes SPb Mashproekt and KB Energia (in the city of Krivoy Rog) [1].

Since 1992, the NPO Mashproekt has been subordinated to the Ministry of Engineering, the military-industrial complex and the conversion of Ukraine (from 1997, the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine) [1].

In 1993, the Mashproekt Scientific Production Enterprise [1] was created on the basis of the association.

By order of the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine from November 2 of 2001, the Production Association Zorya and the Mashproekt Scientific-Production Enterprise were merged into a single state-owned enterprise of the Zorya-Mashproekt gas turbine construction industry.

[Equalized]

Rave. Zorya is working fine.

[vasilev]

turbines will be transferred to Russia for installation

Only if the turbines are made like fighters for Croatia or tanks for Pakistan, when there are problems with the ship, will the arrows transfer to Russia.

[Kerensky]

Hindus know something. For IMHO, I would not order pine cones from Ukraine now ... You understand the reputational risks! Or they will send an advance in elephants and rape ....

[Music]

It seems that there will be their own turbines. Then.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Hmm, and how can one not recall the words of M. Zadornov about the "exceptional". The life of singing-dancers does not teach anything. They apparently have little history with their 5 An-s sent for repair to CEEurope and then miraculously disappeared. Stories with broken numbers on the Croatian MiG-21.

[Equalized]

It's funny After all, the Russian Federation bought these turbines on an ongoing basis until 2014, and there are simply no other alternatives. What do the Hindus suggest doing?

[zivXP]

Hindus also do import substitution.

[xomaNN]

But at the Black Sea Fleet, these NKs would be welcome